Ep. 195: How Psychedelics Can Make You A Better Entrepreneur (feat. Ani Manian)

On this One Time , on Psychedelics , one of the things that most people who do not utilize psychedelic medicines in their life would not immediately see a link between is how psychedelics can allow us to become better business owners and leaders .

However , in my opinion , these things being linked together makes so much sense as has been the case for me because they allow for an expanded look at one's life and , as such , they can allow us to ensure we are still on the path that lights us up on every level of our being . When this occurs , we can create a business .

That is the perfect depiction of who we are , as both an individual and also a part of God .

And in today's episode I sat down with a dear friend of mine and a coach who has helped me immensely within the realm of business , and in this episode we dive deep into his journey into psychedelic medicines , how they have supported him in his life and how the work he now does was inspired through what psychedelics showed him . Alex showed him .

This is an episode that anyone who is either already an entrepreneur or is an inspiring entrepreneur will take a lot away from and , as such , I am super excited to welcome my brother , ani Manian , onto the show . Ani Manian , you gangster dude . I was so excited when I woke up today and I looked at my calendar and I was like , what's going on today ?

I was like , oh my goodness , I get to do a podcast with Ani and for everyone that's tuning in that just heard the intro .

You already know that Ani has supported me immensely in my business and one of the things that he relayed to me that I really wanted to kind of open up this dialogue with today is the fact that psychedelics can make you a better business owner .

Now for you guys tuning in I'm sure that's no surprise or mystery to you guys , but we're going to dive into some of Ani's journeys today and a lot of other stuff too , of how he's actually done this because the systems he utilizes .

I've worked with a lot of business coaches and I've learned some good stuff from them very grateful , but what you're doing , dude , is a totally different level . Before we get into all that dude . I want to ask you my first question I ask everyone , which is how did you first get interested in psychedelic medicines ?

Was this something you were open to when you were growing up , or is it something ?

Actually , you know , that's not really true , because nowadays I consider cannabis a psychedelic and cannabis was very , very , very profound for me very early on and it took me a while to actually make sense of it . And you know , I think a lot of people struggle with cannabis , particularly because , you know , some people get paranoid , some people get anxious .

Really , it's the experience of , for the first time , seeing through the illusion of control , experience of realizing that there was another energy that was influencing my consciousness and it was showing me reality in a way that , you know , I wasn't used to experiencing .

It completely broke my brain in the best possible way and it felt , on some level , very easy for me , and that ease has persisted over the years , whether it's , you know , working with psychedelics . As a psychedelic therapist , you know I've taken hundreds of people through psychedelic experiences . You know everything from optimization to trauma resolution to .

You know , most of my psychedelic practice has been working with entrepreneurs , and it's really interesting how this theme of ease , surrender , control keeps coming up , and I think that's one of the most profound lessons that I've received , right from the beginning , how the ?

I think the first impact that I experienced from psychedelics was the loosening of my grip on myself , on my reality , on my narratives , on my stories , on my beliefs , on my identity , all the things that I just held very tightly , that I was gripping onto because I was sourcing a sense of safety , a sense of security , a sense of control , a sense of certainty

from the things I knew . But , as you know , often our goals , our greatest dreams and desires , our vision for our life , the things we want to create , whether it's in business and relationships on a personal level , all those things lie outside our known world , our known reality .

And to go somewhere where we've never been , to create something we've never created , we're going to have to become someone we've never been before either . We're going to need new thoughts that we haven't thought before . We're going to need to see the world through different perspectives and beliefs that we've never seen before .

We're going to have to see ourselves and experience our sense of self in a way that we've never done before . We're going to have to see ourselves and experience our sense of self in a way that we've never done before and psychedelics are the ultimate shortcut .

They're not absolutely essential for someone who wants to go on this journey , but they're an unbelievable shortcut and set in setting time like it's a highly individual , subjective , personal decision , but for me it's been an absolute bucket ship .

I remember the first thing that cannabis did was made me realize I know nothing , and so once I realized that and again as a 16 year old , you know it's kind of hard to reckon with that , but you know that's when I watched Zeitgeist for the first time and that changed some shit for me and I started really questioning everything .

And what I've realized in now , 15 plus years in the psychedelic space , is that what cannabis gifted me with way back then that psychedelics , other psychedelics then strengthened later on was the fact that for most of us we've gone to a school most of our life that has trained us to believe that we need to know things or that we could even know things , and at

the end of the day , when you realize there is no objective reality , then there's no way to really objectively know anything . You know , and I think a lot of people . Their safety is rooted in what they know right . So that's why if someone has a contrary opinion to someone , we see people get upset and angry right and get triggered .

It's because that that viewpoint they have creates some semblance of safety in their life . And when someone challenges that , it challenges their whole identity of safety . And at the end of the day , when you go on something like a psychedelic experience and you realize you'll never know anything , you actually realize that that side is actually much better .

Like I love not knowing anything . I believe certain things , I have ideas around certain things , but those are a lot easier to shift than a knowing .

And when you think about like a PhD , for instance , right , paul Cech always says what does PhD stand for , piled higher and deeper and I add on to that into someone else's viewpoint of reality , you know and I'm not going to say that they're objectively bad because again , there is no objective reality but I know for me I actually find my safety now in the not

knowing . You know someone comes up to me and they say you know , I believe the earth's flat right , and I go cool , I've never really thought about it , I thought it was around my whole life . But tell me why , right , there's no semblance of like . No , it needs to be round .

Right , when , in reality , you go online and you go into any flat earth or community whatever and people are freaking the fuck out on both sides , you know ? And so , at the end of the day , psychedelics helped me realize that all of this is a dream , right , it's not truly real .

Like it is in a paradoxical way , because we're experiencing it , but it's not reality , right , like our true nature as human beings is not human beings , it's divine beings having a human experience . And so , within that context , I'm like I don't want to box myself in to anything .

I think I know , because , for me , knowing equates closing your mind off to other objectives and other options . And so it's amazing you mentioned that , because that's exactly what I found too is that now I really enjoy the fact that I don't know anything and you know .

Again , like there's a famous quote maybe Plato said it , I'm not sure but wise is the man who knows . He does not know . And that was something that really hit me because , again , when you realize you don't know anything , you can go back to being a child again . Children don't care about knowing the answer . They're just curious .

They'll ask you why is the sky blue ? But they're not like you better give me the answer , and then I'm going to take that and and , and you know , brash anyone that tells me anything different . They're just like oh why ? Why does that happen ? Right , and so what would it feel like if , as adults , we could be that way too ?

It's really cool to think about .

And when this cup collides with this bottle of water , if it collides hard enough , there's going to be some sort of a rupture , right , there's going to be a collision . That collision is going to cause if either of those two structures maybe the glass is weaker than the structure of the cup , and the glass is going to shatter .

And when these collisions happen , for us as human beings , I call that entropy , and entropy is caused because of structure .

So in the world today we see people who are at war with each other because of ideologies , and these are people who've attached themselves to a perspective , they've attached themselves to an identity , they've attached themselves to a group that they feel affiliated with .

And when that attachment meets another attachment , there's collision , there's entropy and typically they're suffering . There's collision , there's entropy and typically there's suffering .

So , this idea of not wanting to know anything , not wanting to be attached to anything , not wanting to define ourselves in any particular way , allows us to be super fluid , and when we're super fluid , then we can actually truly be alive .

What that means is we're actually taking in the stimuli from our environment through our sense organs , as in , we're connected to our senses . We're letting the data , the information that's coming , come in , we're perceiving it , it's getting digested and then our system's producing a very intelligent response that's appropriate in the moment .

Rigidity of any kind , unlike superfluidity , is creating an answer that's going to be applied to every situation , and it's the absence of agility and adaptability and flexibility . And so you know there's a quote it's not the fittest of a species that survive .

It's the most adaptable , and in many domains this is actually highly , highly , highly useful , this idea of superfluidity . So , if you think about business and entrepreneurship , every next level of the business requires something different from the entrepreneur . Every next level of the business requires something different from the entrepreneur , right ?

It requires a different set of skills . They need a different set of personality traits , they need to operate from a different identity . They need a different level of leverage . They need a higher level of leadership , both of others and themselves .

They need a higher ability to digest complexity because , let's say , the business doubles , there's double the number of customers , double the number of customer support tickets , double the number of sales calls or activity in the business . Maybe the team's gone up . That's a lot more complexity that needs to be digested .

So every next level is going to require something different from the entrepreneur , and businesses stop growing when entrepreneurs stop growing .

And so if the entrepreneur gets attached to a sense of self , to a set of beliefs , to a set of character traits , to a set of skills that they're unwilling to grow beyond , to a certain level of leadership capacity , to a certain level of emotional regulation , what's going to happen is that the business is going to stop growing because the entrepreneur has platooned

. And the same thing is true in relationships . So people get together , they date , they fall in love , they get married and then a you know a lot of people struggle once they're in a committed , long-term relationship .

And again the cause is a lack of fluidity , because as soon as one person gets more fixed and the other person keeps evolving , they're no longer growing closer , they're growing apart .

And as we grow apart , that's going to add tension to the relational system and eventually that tension is going to be too much for the relational system to bear and it's going to cause separation or , eventually , a breakup , and this is true the same way in pretty much any domain .

So what I find is not only the most efficient way to live , but a way for us to maximize our aliveness , our joy , our authenticity , our full creative experience and expression is the state of superfluidity , and psychedelics are a great tool to access that , because they on some level , require of us to let go of the stuff that we're holding on to , and that's a

feature , not a bug . For a lot of people , that's challenging , right , A psychedelic experience is challenging because of their resistance to letting go . That's why some people experience what they call a death or an ego death .

Really , nothing's dying , right , it's an attachment that is being tested , and if someone you know clamps down harder on the attachment , it's going to create an oppositional force , and that's going to be a challenging experience . It may be labeled as a bad trip , but there's no such thing .

In some ways , yes , I mean , people can have very challenging experiences that leaves them deeply impacted , but really there's no real thing like good , bad , right , wrong .

These are just subjective interpretations we put on reality , and so this idea of superfluidity is not just , you know , absolutely essential for us to evolve at the optimal rate , but also to respond to the world , to the universe , to life that is constantly changing , because nothing in the universe is fixed right .

Change is constant , everything is in motion , nothing's at rest truly . Even the things that we perceive are at rest are actually in motion . So how do we match the frame rate of the universe ?

For that , we have to let go of this addiction to definition , to anchoring ourselves using this fixed identity structure , this fixed sense of self that I use to locate myself , because for most people , for all people , that is the only point of continuity from one moment to another my sense of self .

So the only way I can have a continuous experience of life in a conventional sense is if I drag along the same sense of self from the last moment to now . Because what's the commonality between who you were when you were 10 years old and who you are now ? It's the sense of ryan , right ?

So it's easy , it's totally understand what makes total sense , why we get attached to ourselves . But this fixation on ourself is also the source of all human suffering , right ? And it's also the most energy intensive function in the human experience . Because this constant self-referencing , this filtering of the world as to who you know . How am I being perceived ?

Am I good enough ? Am I not good enough ? Am I successful enough ? Am I good enough ? Am I not good enough ? Am I successful enough ? Do people recognize state right ?

And in that example you described , if entropy is caused by collision right , superfluidity reduces those collisions and if we can access that zero entropy state where there's no rigidity in my system to create conflict with the rigidity in your system .

This is what Bruce Lee meant when he said be like water , because if you are water and you meet a rock , you just flow around it .

And you know , at the end of the day , when you look out in the world today and again , because I used to do this , like I always bring up the example that when I was a kid , you know , I remember literally arguing with my friends about why metal music was better than rap music , for hours , days , months , years , you know .

And why was I really doing that ? Well , because I had heard some rap beats that I really liked , but I didn't want to admit it .

So I had to try to argue it because , honestly , think about it this way too , things that you really believe , like if you really believe you're a good person and someone comes up to you and says , honey , you're not a good person and you don't get triggered around , that that's because you really believe you're a good person .

Right , if you get defensive , that's actually all the evidence you need to see that you don't get triggered around . That that's because you really believe you're a good person . If you get defensive , that's actually all the evidence you need to see that you don't really believe you're a good person .

And this person just gifted you the experience of seeing where you're out of alignment in your own awareness of self . You know .

If someone upsets you , you have every right to try to stop their freedom of speech and stop them from saying what they're saying when , in reality , what that's really doing is essentially saying , hey , don't get stronger , don't get stronger , just stay weak minded , just stay weak minded .

You know , and that's again , it might be hard to hear , but that's the truth of it , you know .

And again , it's very easy for us to pick one perspective blank is good or blank is bad but often it's very simplistic and it's missing a lot of context and nuance . So what we're talking about so far is this idea of surrender , right , we're talking about this idea of letting go .

So can you let go of all these things that you've been gripping , that have been taking a lot of energy from you , that have been creating conflict in your life , whether within yourself or outside , that have been creating suffering on some level , that have been keeping you stuck on some level , keeping you attached to a reality that you don't particularly care for ?

You want something different , but you're not letting yourself have something different because you're gripping on too tight to the stuff that's familiar but not fun . Great , that's one end of the spectrum .

So , given that pretty much in my work , everything's a paradox and we don't believe in you know Everything's a paradox and we don't believe in you know simplistic explanations for how things work and we can get into why the entire universe is a paradox and how paradoxes appear everywhere , in a little bit , if that's interesting .

But the opposite end of this spectrum is radical presence , right ? So if surrender is on one end of the spectrum , the other end is radical presence , and here's why psychedelics are equally powerful in helping us cultivate that . And I'll say that this is a developmental stage and this is a developmental journey .

So for most people I find that the surrender phase has to come first , right , because as we're born , so we're born into nothingness . We have no sense of self . Baby has no sense . That baby is baby and that's mommy . Right . We're born undifferentiated . There is no sense of separation , there's no sense of self and the other .

Undifferentiated , there is no sense of separation , there's no sense of self and the other . So that is one fully connected experience of being one with the universe . That's why when you look at a child , it feels amazing , because there is a complete absence of self-referencing .

And because there is a complete absence of self-referencing there is , you don't see , you don't feel or perceive an ego in there . That's creating separation , because only when I create the self do I simultaneously create the other . So for baby , there is no Republican or Democrat right . There's no East Coast , west Coast , it's all one .

And we can see how exquisite that experience is right , not just for baby but for anyone who interacts with baby . So as we get older , we start to form a sense of self . And as we get a little more older we start to form a sense of self .

And as we get a little more older , we start to individuate from our parents , because initially our sense of self was very intertwined and codependent with them , because that was necessary for our survival . So as we start to individuate , we become our own person , we become our own self .

So , naturally , as we get older , we become adults and we get stuck in these rigid boxes , perspectives , most of which we've put on ourselves because we didn't know any better . The first thing to do to evolve , to grow on every level , is to let go . So that's why the surrender stage comes first for most people .

But once we've mastered surrender , once we're in this super fluid state , what happens next ? Well , that's the other end of the spectrum . The other end of the spectrum , like I said , is radical presence . What that means is how awake am I in my life ?

Because also , what's happening as we're getting , as we are born , as we're being raised by a set of family system , a set of parents or one parent or someone else who's caretaking for us is , we are being conditioned .

We are being conditioned , we are being programmed , we are being indoctrinated into a variety of boxes , or what I call straight jackets that start to define us . The idea of money we'll get into this , but one of the ideas that I teach is all around what I call agreement fields . The ideas that I teach is all around what I call agreement fields .

Agreement fields are these contracts that we take on or that are put on us with or without our consent . So money and taxes are an agreement field that we never opted into . But we get older and we just accept that . That is just how something is right . Marriage is another agreement field .

An agreement field is basically the protocol layer for how two sovereign beings or two sovereign entities in the universe collaborate or relate or interconnect in some way . So what happens is we get conditioned in all these ways .

Maybe when I'm in third grade , I get a D on a math test and because of how the teacher looks at me and how she hands me my paper , I internalize that I suck at math . And because of how the kid sitting next to me looks at my grade and laughs , of how the kid sitting next to me looks at my grade and laughs , I internalize that I'm stupid .

And because how dad reacts when I bring the report card home , I internalize that I'm not worthy right . And so , mostly unbeknownst to us , we pick up all of this programming and conditioning , which then becomes our prison , our straitjacket , our box of limitations that we then continue to unconsciously renew .

So by the time we get older and we become adults , we're not actually living our true life . Our true life we're living inside this program that was created layer by layer by layer , from all of the experiences and inputs and all the things , because zero to seven brains in a theta wave state were just imprinting everything , have very little control .

So most of this stuff we didn't choose and most of this stuff is keeping us from having the experience of life that we want .

And as long as we continue to operate inside of this program , we're not free , we're not fully alive , and so what we need to do is actually wake up from that dream , because it's a dream , it's an illusory reality that we occupy and we reinforce and we replay because it's familiar , and the safety and comfort of the familiar is preferred to the extreme discomfort

of the unfamiliar , which is where our liberation , our salvation , our growth , our potential lies . And so the other end of the spectrum in working with psychedelics and of course all of this can be done without as well is how do we use psychedelics as a tool to stay awake ?

And it's not a binary , again , it's not like are we asleep in the program or are we awake . It's again a spectrum . It's like how asleep are we ? How awake are we ? And in the course of a day , asleep are we ? How awake are we ?

And in the course of a day , what percentage of our decisions , of our thoughts , of our emotions are just a replay of the program that we've carried for so long ? And where are we actually using choice ? Where are we actually sovereign ? Where are we actually choosing based on a desired future versus a familiar , comfortable past ?

And that's the second stage , or the third stage . Stage one is , you know , being asleep and being rigid . Stage two is being free because we're surrendering and letting go . Stage three is consolidating all of this and actually being awake . So I'm awake , I'm extremely radically present .

I'm not letting myself fall asleep into the program , but I'm also not identifying with anything . I'm not defining , I'm not creating rigidity , I'm not creating entropy . I'm both super fluid and I'm radically present . And when we are in that place , it's pure magic , because now I'm completely open to the infinite possibility that the universe offers .

Now I'm completely open to the infinite possibility that the universe offers . I'm free to just flow from one moment of possibility into another . I'm available to my entire massive , limitless potential because the entire creative force of the universe is underneath me and I'm not grabbing onto something and saying this is it . I'm never letting go , yeah dude .

juxtapositionship between entropy and also radical presence . I'd never heard it stated that way before . But it makes a lot of sense to me , because that is the goal , right , Like if you're awake . Right , let's just think about the microcosm of , like , actual life and being awake .

The idea , anyway , is like you couldn't drive a car if you were asleep , right , because , again , if you're driving a car , you have to be aware of what's happening around you . Now , again , we know that people text and whatever , but in a perfect world , right , you'd have to be awake to be able to navigate a car .

Well , in reality , our self is kind of like that car and in order to navigate it efficiently , we must be awake enough to be able to handle all the things that are coming at us , and also we must be relaxed enough to not overcompensate , right , you know , let's say that you're on the highway and someone puts their blinker on but you can tell like they can't

really fit in your lane . Well , imagine if , like you know , they're just coming over a little bit and you're like , ah , and you yank the wheel and you go flying over right Instead of just a little hunk and they're like , oh sorry , I didn't see you there , right ? So , again , like it does take both of those .

It takes that radical presence , but it also takes that relaxation and that ability to be able to really create the perfect decision based on what the feedback you're getting from the external reality is in this driving scenario . Right . So it makes perfect sense .

And I think that one of the things you brought up too that's extremely important to kind of reiterate , is the idea that for a lot of people they hear about the idea of psychedelics , let's say and we'll just use that as an example you could easily say , with business or whatever too , we'll actually use business , because I think it makes a little more sense here

. How many people right , how many ads on Instagram are hey , become a coach and you'll make 10K months in a month , right ? So someone hears that and they go , oh , my goodness , that sounds awesome . I want to work from a computer and make 10K months .

So they sign on to this thing because they weren't really aware enough to realize something is maybe off here . Maybe this gentleman or woman really believes they can do that , but at the same time , like , am I willing to go through what I imagine it will take to get to that level , you know ?

And so again , at the end of the day , with psychedelics , the analogy is people hear about , oh , psychedelics , mushrooms are now being legalized , all these things and they're like I want to partake , I want to hop into the party , quote unquote . Or they go to a music festival , someone gives them acid and they're like dude , it's fun , all right , cool , right .

They have no idea what they could potentially be opening up . They could just have a beautiful experience , awesome , great .

They could also have a dark night of the soul , right , because maybe they weren't fully aware of the whole scope of what psychedelics could do , like whenever I take a psychedelic , now I understand I could go have a lot of fun , or I could be crying in a pillow , like . I understand both of those objectives and anything in between is possible .

So that allows me to surrender and just listen to whatever comes up and be radically present with it . So I like this idea a lot , man .

This is the state and the configuration of our psychological system , right , very , very essential and crucial to understand and make sure it's instructed the right way and it operates the right way , because it makes a an outsized difference on our experience .

But another dimension , another axis , if you may , if that's the x axis , the Y axis is the dimension of the level , and we live in the world of AI , we live in a world of , you know , massive technological advancements at rapid rates . But maybe you've picked up on this it feels like there's a little bit of heart missing .

Oh yeah , the heart is what adds the richness and the texture and the joy and the depth in life . Right , the cognitive is like very two-dimensional . The heart is what makes it 3D .

And so most of us , for a variety of reasons , because of things we experienced when we were young , learned that it was safer to keep our heart closed than keep it open , because our trust was betrayed , our boundaries were crossed , we were hurt , we didn't get the love , approval , nurture that we needed , that we wanted , we weren't seen , we weren't held .

That we wanted , we weren't seen , we weren't held , we weren't cared for , we weren't understood , we weren't protected . And because of all of these reasons , it makes total sense why our hearts closed . And when I talk about a heart closing , this is not just an idea , it's not a spiritual concept .

This is something that happens at a physical level the muscles around the heart and it's also at an emotional level . So this is an emotional experience . So what happens at an emotional level when our heart closes is that we start to become more numb , so as to avoid feeling what feels too painful or uncomfortable to feel .

And as the heart closes , as we become more numb and the longer this goes on and maybe we get even more evidence why it's safer to keep our heart closed the heart starts to armor itself , shield itself , to protect itself . The's actually a very , very profound and intelligent organ . It's not a mechanical pump , as most people think it has .

By the way , it's also a brain , because it's got huge amounts of neurons and so much more . So what happens is that as our heart closes , our heart simultaneously closes to ourselves and the world .

So when it comes to relating with someone else , we start to close , we start to create a wall and some distance between us and everyone else , which obviously makes relationships , romantic relationships and platonic like friendships really challenging . We have a hard time really feeling each other , connecting with each other , being with each other .

If we're in a relationship , we feel kind of estranged and alone , even though we're with someone , which is a really fascinating experience and of course we feel estranged from ourselves and we cannot become everything we're here to be if we are separated from ourselves .

So the other dimension of this that psychedelics can be profoundly helpful with is actually opening a closed heart and again , this is not a one-time thing , right ?

So empathogens and intactogens like MDMA are really , really powerful in allowing us to experience a neurochemical cocktail and a downregulation of the amygdala which allows our heart to open and experience more love , both human and divine , in a way that you know , for most people that's their first experience and what they often find is a day later , a couple of days

later , they close back up , but this time they have a somatic memory of what being open felt like and when . It's like having a destination GPS point . If I know the GPS point , then I can , even if it takes me longer , even if it takes , if it's harder , I can still get there .

And so the opening of the heart is a practice , because in every moment we get stimuli from the world . So there are all sorts of circumstances . My partner left the dishes in the sink , a car cut me off on the street , a cute dog walks up to me , you know , in the dog park Every moment , and I realized this thanks to ayahuasca .

I was sitting in an ayahuasca ceremony with 66 people and it was a four night , four ceremony retreat , and the first day I literally found the bed , the mattress that was the furthest away .

So like right at the very edge , right because I walked in , I was like , wow , this is a lot , I don't want to be around , you know , 66 , 65 people , you know puking their guts yeah , I , I never throw up on on anything . So most of my experiences are very you know , very cosmic , very chill , very blissful and right .

And so I was like , oh , wow , this is going to be a lot . So I'm going to go as far away from the people as possible .

How interesting , because I grew up as an only child , as very lonely as a kid , because both my parents worked and from a very young age , like , I think , three years old , I was basically alone , for you know , at least like seven hours a day , which was really hard .

And then there was a lot of conflict at home which led me to be suicidal at the age of six and host of other things , battled for a long time with depression , with you know a lot of stuff , and naturally my instinct was to go as far away from people as possible .

Right , because that was in my system , because everything we do is a reflection of the structure of our psychology , of our conditioning , of our patterning , of our trauma . You know , beautiful ceremony . The next day we walked in again and this time I felt the knowing or the instinct that I need to be , you know , more in amongst people .

And I'm walking , and I'm walking around the space . It was a very large space , you can imagine . You know , 66 people doing Ayahuasca at the same time , and my intuition picked the bed that was right in the middle , so literally right in the middle , and I'm surrounded in all directions by these mattresses .

And so the ceremony begins and they served the first cup . I drank it . I was super chill , relaxed . They served the second cup . And this is when the cacophony of people's sounds as they purge , you know , a lifetime of demons into a bucket , and it almost feels so I .

One of the things that Ayahuasca does is it makes sounds feel very high definition , like Dolby surround sound , but instead of your favorite music it's people puking and crying and howling and wailing , and you know it's so you can imagine the experience right . And now I'm still pretty chill , pretty blissed out .

I'm laying completely still on my mattress and initially I started getting pissed off . I started getting frustrated that I have to listen to all of these sounds , all of these people , when I was having a completely different experience .

And as I lay there , I had an epiphany , and this epiphany was every single thing in life is an opportunity we can use to either open or close . I was like , ah , of course we come back to the same lessons over and over and over again .

And it's like , oh , of course , okay , um , I'm going to play with opening to these sounds and I released my energetic blocking , bracing and pushing away of these sounds and everything that was happening around me and I just started letting it flow through me and every time I heard someone make a sound , I would send them love , I'd use it as a device to open

my heart even more . Very quickly , I was just swimming in such an exquisite feeling of unconditional love , right , and that was my whole experience . So I share the story to illustrate the idea that , again , I think of everything in terms of systems , because we are living in a complex adaptive system as complex adaptive systems .

So I think in terms like efficiency and what's optimal . It's not what's good or bad , but , given what we want out of life , what's going to get us closer versus what's going to take us further away . So , an open heart this is the y-axis , this is the other dimension that psychedelics are so profoundly helpful with is can I allow my heart to open again ?

Can I allow myself to trust again ? Can I allow myself to be hurt again ? Because , again , I don't control the world , I don't control what . I barely control what's inside me . Definitely don't control what's outside me .

I can't control what my partner is going to do and say , right , and sometimes I watch my heart close in response to something and I can see that that is in me , right , that's got nothing to do with her . That is the part of me that's afraid to open . That's the part of me that was really hurt and betrayed and didn't think that it was safe to feel .

Right , that numbed itself , that armored itself , that hardened to protect me . So , as we let go of this armoring and we allow more feeling in and we allow more love in , that's what makes life really rich , right , that's where passion , purpose , aliveness , love , fulfillment , joy , happiness all of these things are a function of an open heart .

But for our heart to fully open , we have to be willing to feel the stuff that's actually really hard to feel first , because our capacity to experience joy is directly proportionate to our capacity to experience the fear and the sadness and the loneliness and all the more challenging emotions .

And we didn't have the capacity to hold the challenging emotions when we were younger . Right , we didn't have the resources . But as adults we have a really profound opportunity with these tools , with psychedelics , with you know guides and therapists and you know coaches and people . We can ask someone to hold us through this experience .

Right , and as we feel what was once unfelt , what was once really hard to feel , we open again , our heart opens again and we come back into union with ourselves and with the world . We become childlike again , where that separation goes away and if we can be relaxed and present with an open heart , and then I mean that's the pinnacle of existence .

And that's something you can logically like , wrap your head around , like , oh , maybe I can remember a time that , you know , I cried happy tears , which crying is usually associated with something uncomfortable . Like you can wrap your head around it .

But until you experience something like that where you are just welcoming in everything and everything to you is equal , different , but equal Right . Sadness is obviously a different feeling than happiness . But again , like , where was the programming to make us believe that one was better than the other ? Right ?

We also learned that , you know , I've gotten down to a level of this too where I've started to wonder how far this really goes .

You know , there was an experiment the CIA did in the nineties I believe , where they took people that were in their sevents and 80s varying degrees of failing health walkers , canes , things like that and they put them into a essentially a simulation of a town that was in like 1935 , let's say so , for most of these people at that time period they would have been

in like their teens , 20s , you know , kind of a prime period , and everything there was perfectly architected to replicate that time period the cars , the TV shows , the furniture , I mean everything . It was like a full-on simulation experience .

And what they found was these people started regressing in age , not just in how they acted , but how they were actually walking around . They didn't need walkers anymore , they didn't need canes , they were sitting crisscross applesauce , and they hadn't been able to do in years . They were , you know , becoming more lively again .

So again , at the end of the day , like is the belief that we actually age even objective ? Like no , based on quantum physics we know there is no objective reality . So , like that's what I really focus on these days . It's like how far can this go ? What is the next level of something that I firmly believe is just the way things go ?

That can get shown to me . That actually isn't the case . I know what I know , but I'm open to reinterpretation . I'm here to learn .

I think if you go into it with that experience , not only do you have a much more positive experience , because even when a challenge arises , you can , you know , capitulate and contextualize it in the grand scheme of things , yeah , but I think that's what sets you up for the biggest ROI , you know , when it comes to psychedelics .

And that isn't necessarily any one thing , it isn't necessarily just an open heart , it isn't necessarily just , you know , realizing that you are the creator of reality . It can be a yes and to all of these things and even more , but at the end of the day , you know , this ability to reparent and kind of like , wipe the slate clean .

You know the reason I love psychedelics so much , and I'm very aware that coaches , therapists , everything , they're all kind of like , they're all equal to me . But I love psychedelics because until someone , like , think of it this way , right , if someone says , you know , you want a six pack , right , someone wants a six pack .

Let's say they want to get fit , maybe they're like 300 pounds , right ? Well , it's going to be really hard for them to have the willpower to get down to like 180 pounds or 200 pounds or whatever it can be done , but it's definitely challenging , right ? But imagine a world in which you could say okay , ani , you're 300 pounds .

Let's say you're not , but let's say you're 300 pounds . And for a split second , maybe five minutes , you can create a world in which Ani is 180 pounds shredded and he gets to feel what that feels like . Then he hops back into his 300 pound body . Now he's like whoa , that was way better than I could have even imagined .

I thought it would just be cool that I had a six pack . My body worked better , it was easy to carry my weight around . Like . You understand so much more about what that experience is now and you have more buy-in to it , right ? You're aware now .

Now the juice is worth the squeeze in ways you never even thought , so you have more willpower to go into it . That , to me , is what psychedelics are really like , the catalyst for . Because , again , therapy , coaching , all these things we understand the value of it , right .

But if someone is in a state of disempowerment and then maybe they've never experienced empowerment it can be hard for them to be like wait , I'm going to pay you $1,000 a month or three grand a month or whatever it is , and you're going to help me feel better . What does that even feel like ? I don't even know what that feels like .

So imagine if they go do an ayahuasca experience or five grand mushroom trip and they experience some sort of better , and then they can go wait a minute , that's what's possible , okay , and these are the paths that people say that I trust can get me there or to help me hold those better and integrate better and make a more like destined reality in which I feel

that all the time , fuck yeah , sign me up now . You know . And so I think in the world that we live in right now , with very rapid ROI and short attention span and all of these things that we have going against us right now , I think this is why the psychedelic renaissance is blowing up so big right now , because it's meeting people where they're at .

They want a quick ROI , right . And we're seeing also the downside of that , where people think I'll just keep going to do psychedelics and I'll get better . It's like that's not the only thing . That kind of shows you what's possible and then when you come back to your sober reality , you got to still figure out where the viruses are in your computer .

It's almost like with right . You know , I use this analogy all the time because it really works . It's like if you have a computer that you're not even aware there's viruses on , but it goes super slow and whatnot , right , maybe someone comes over and they're like have you ever tried to start a computer in safe mode ?

And you're like sick , I'll start in the safe mode . So you start in the safe mode , you're like , whoa , dude , this thing is like so much faster , but albeit there's a lot less available to you , right ? You can't really access everything the way that you could in the normal operating system .

And in the analogy of psychedelics , it's like well , you can't drive a car . You know you could try to have sex certain medicines you can do it but like there's things that you aren't able to really do in a psychedelic state , even though you are experiencing something grandiose . So you know , imagine if that person brings you out of safe mode .

And it's like what if I could make safe mode even better by allowing it to be your normal operating system 24-7 , right , and I can teach you , if you get another virus , how to remove that yourself , because it may happen , right , you may land on the wrong web page or something like that .

So now you're actually starting to realize like , oh , wow , like if I actually learn how to remove these viruses , I can actually use the normal operating system with all of its bells and whistles , gadgets and ins and outs , and I can learn how to do so in a way that allows me to really enjoy the experience of running a computer .

That's the analogy I give for psychedelics and why I think they're playing such a big role right now in history because we've never been as distracted as we are right now . You know times have been worse than they are right now , specifically , I mean , you know wars , things like that , but I don't think we've ever been as distracted as we are now .

We've never been shiny objects into as much as we are now . And psychedelics you eat five grams of mushrooms . Good luck trying to pay attention to other stuff on that . You know it captures full presence . So , yeah , that's that's , you know .

Yeah , you know like , just take all your head trash and your problems and your you know challenges and go spend a week in nature without a phone , wake up when the sun comes up , go to bed when it gets dark , you know , eat single ingredient , clean foods , nothing processed , get good sleep and feel the speed of nature .

It's much slower , right , and it's very hard to have shiny object syndrome , right , and it's very hard to have shiny object syndrome . And you know the word psychedelic means mind manifesting , and often what people need is not another intense cathartic experience , you know , with a hero's dose of mushrooms .

Sometimes it's actually slowing down , because one of the things that I see a lot , you know , with people I work with is and this is true for all of humanity on some level we're hiding from ourselves , we're avoiding ourselves .

It's like walking by the mirror and looking away , right , because we're afraid to catch our own , make eye contact with ourselves and really see ourselves . Because in the back of our head , in the closet , we've , you know , pushed in all the little ways we're out of integrity with ourselves .

Scroll on Instagram or , you know , bring the phone to the toilet , because you know 13 seconds without our phone is , you know , too much . We , you know , some part of us , is aware of exactly what we're doing and how out of integrity we are .

And so , over time , the coping mechanisms , the distractions , the shiny object stuff , the stuff , the you know , all the addictions and weird things we do , they're actually a way we get to continue to avoid ourselves . And you know , often in those situations like , what people really need is man , like , go , take yourself out to nature .

And you know that's the best place . Because why didn't psychedelics have that much utility a few thousand years ago ? Because people were very much connected to nature and their own nature . And this resurgence is a reflection of how disconnected we've become .

Right , we , we are run by artificial light , we eat artificial food , we drink water that's contaminated , we're swimming in EMFs and we're being . Our minds and hearts are being programmed by the media with stuff that further create suffering . Like that is not the world we're designed for .

Right , because most of our problems come from being out of cycle and out of rhythm with the universe . And we see this more readily in women right , with birth control , with all sorts of chemicals and toxic leggings and just all the things , how it affects their menstrual cycles . Women have a more obvious cycle .

It follows the moon cycle and so a lot of women are out of cycle with the moon . And as soon as we go out of cycle we're no longer in harmony with ourselves or with the universe . Men have an ultradian cycle . It's a 24-hour cycle and that cycle is governed by the sun . And most people they need alarm clocks to wake up .

They need something to actually go to sleep and stay asleep . Then they need something to wake up and become alert enough to do work . And then they need something to down-regulate their system because during work they were very stressed . High cortisol .

Now they need to down-regulate and then they need something to sleep because too many stimulants and then it's a whole . So the more we go out of sync with the universe that's the beginning of all disharmony , disease , you know , and distrust with the self right .

And so all the problems in the world can be traced back to how in sync or out of sync we are , because everything is frequency . This is all energy , right , and energy has certain attributes , it has certain properties . It's got frequency , it's got an amplitude , it's just information .

And so when we approach ourselves from that lens , you know it stops being so mechanical as like , oh , I'm going to use psychedelics to , like you know , surrender and then I'm gonna , you know , really become present . And then you know he said , like , you can use it to open your heart , so I'm going to open my heart .

This whole thing is not a mechanical journey . The whole point is to increase the level of intimacy we have with ourselves and decrease the separation and the disconnect , because when we become more intimate with ourselves , we become more intimate with others , and then the world . And intimacy is actually the driving force of the entire universe .

So if you look at an atom , right there's a nucleus and inside the nucleus there are protons . They're being held together by what ? By attraction , right , they are attracted to each other so much that they stay together . That is love , right ? What keeps these electrons swimming in a cloud around this nucleus in place ?

This is the smallest repeating structure , the core fractal of the entire universe . It's the building block of everything Bridges , trees , human beings , boxes , boxes , grass , air , everything . The fundamental property of the universe is intimacy .

The universe is an intelligent , intimate living organism , the easiest , most basic , fundamental way we can thrive as human beings is to really embrace that core principle that the entire universe is architected around . So as we become more intimate with ourselves , we naturally start to thrive .

As we become more intimate with the universe , with the sun , with the earth , with the rivers , with the air , with each other , we naturally start to thrive . And you know , at the end of the day , that like that is so much more profound as an ideal , that is so much more powerful as an intention . And that's why I don't even like the word healing .

Right , because healing implies brokenness . Yeah , like healing implies that there is something to heal from and that creates that same progressive path . You know , I will be broken right now and I'll work with a therapist and in five years , after weekly sessions , I will finally be whole , right . Right that it .

We can't start at a point of brokenness , of not enoughness , and eventually become whole or enough . It doesn't work like that . Right , we can only become the thing in an instant , in a moment . It's a quantum shift and that shift can happen anytime . Sometimes it takes five years for someone to be ready to make that shift .

But it is ultimately a choice and the reason why it happens instantaneously is because it's not that we're becoming something different by the end of it after five years . It's that we are letting go of the illusion of our brokenness , of our not enoughness , because it was not something that was true in the first place .

So seeing through the illusion and recognizing the truth is instantaneous and that can't be deferred into the future . And so this paradigm is radically different , and when I talk about this , some people are very triggered by it , because a lot of what they're doing , even with psychedelics , is using it as a crutch to be something that's broken and in progress .

It's easier and safer for some people to stay broken , to feel like there's something wrong with them , that there's something missing , because it feels very scary for us to own our full power right , and that's always going to be a choice , because we live in a sovereign universe and so in a sovereign universe this was another beautiful truth that ayahuasca showed me

the only way we can be sovereign is if the solution to the problem is contained inside the problem . If the solution to the problem is outside , then we're not sovereign , right , because then it's outside me .

But if it's inside me , if I contain both the problem and the solution , then that's a quantum superposition state , and whether I choose to see myself as the problem state or the solution state is totally up to my perception .

And it is by shifting my perception that I've become something new , that I've become someone new , that I've become more myself , and that's the ultimate power that we all have , that I become more myself and that ultimate power that we all have .

But you know , as you were saying that too , and I wanted to reiterate what you said last it's like you're not even necessarily becoming I mean , I guess you are becoming someone new , but you're becoming who you were always meant to be and who you always have been , but who maybe you didn't see yourself .

As you know , and that is , I think , what people think when they say healing . But , just like you , I rather , I exchange the term healing for expansion , because you're expanding into what you've always been . There's nothing you need to heal except the belief that you need healing . You know , and again , like I get exactly what you mean .

This can trigger a lot of people because again , maybe they really feel like they're broken and again , that's perfect , right , that's not out of design either , right , like they're going to be on their journey . And , like you were saying , you know what .

What separates the person that has a quantum leap overnight and the person that takes five years is the belief they have , of how long it should take . You know , I mean dude . You know , if you want to have evidence that God has a sense of humor , cause it does .

You know , I had my biggest Kundalini awakening , like you , you know union with god moment in a fucking strip club in las vegas , right . So you know , god having a sense of humor is now , whenever I talk about this , I have to bring up the fact that I was in a fucking strip club .

But you know , again , at the end of the day , I think I had that experience for many reasons , but number one was because I think part of you know what my I don't know if I want to call it my soul , because technically I don't believe individual souls exist , the way that they talk about it , but we'll use it as a placeholder .

You know , I think for my lifetime , my unique expression here comedy is one of the ways that I talk . I you know I serve whatever , I serve whatever .

And I think that if someone hears like well , you can have a kundalini awakening in a strip club , I think that's such a far reaching concept that it forces them to like kind of break a little bit of like , well , fuck , why am I like wearing white robes and going to church every weekend , if I can have it there , and it's not .

The church is bad , or wearing white robes is bad , but how many people pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to train with these gurus ? Right , that are like you're not enlightened . But I am and I can teach you how to do it right ?

I was a part of one of these organizations and I see how much of a crazy moneymaker it is If an organization like that heard that . You know , if I went up in front of that class and told people I had a kundalini awakening in the strip club , they would be very upset with me . Why ?

Because they want everyone to believe that , no , you have to be spending thousands of dollars . No , you have to be doing all these rituals . No , you have to be meditating every day . And I'm not saying any of these things are bad .

But again , if you think you have to , you've now boxed yourself in to another rhetoric , right , and so at the end of the day , if you find that you have joy meditating and that helps you get closer to who you really are , then go for it .

But my whole message has always been follow the fun , because what is truly enjoyable , right , and you have to also discern what is truly enjoyment , because , again , I always say I add this caveat I imagine there's someone out there who thinks true joy is ripping cocaine all day , right , so there does take a certain amount of , like you know , wisdom and education

around what truly is a feeling good type state . But once you find that , just follow it into your enlightenment Because , again , like what I found and this is just my experience , but what I found is that , as I do psychedelics etc . You know , I can tell I'm getting closer to God because one of two things is happening I'm either laughing or I'm crying .

I can tell I'm getting closer to God because one of two things is happening I'm either laughing or I'm crying , you know .

And those two states I feel are the closest to God and they're so similar , right , like , if you think about it , why do people say you can laugh until you cry or you can cry until you laugh , if they're not intimately connected , just like you were saying earlier , right , joy and sadness are really just two ends of the same spectrum .

They're not different , they're actually the same . They're just different positions on one spectrum . So it is very interesting to think about these things , and it's just like it's very exciting to talk to people like yourself , man , because these are not conversations that I can have with a lot of people and , I imagine , for everyone tuning in .

That's maybe why you keep listening to the show right , you can't find people that you know you feel safe enough to talk about these kind of things with , because a lot of the world just isn't there . And that's okay , right . The same way as a baby can't drive a bike . But does that mean the baby's bad ?

No , just you know they're growing up and they're getting to the level they can ride's just beautiful to be able to find synergy between the everything that makes up the Ryan or Ani identity , and I think for a lot of people that's extremely scary . You know , for me at a certain point it was really scary .

But you know again , just like Joseph Campbell states , if bliss is any emotion felt all the way through , then that means that when you realize that you get just as excited about anger or sadness as you do for joy . And so for me , I get just as excited now about not knowing as I once did , about knowing , about not believing as I once did about believing .

And I think that for me is like you nailed it , you know , spot on for 500 , please , alex . So it's really cool , man . Dude , it's been amazing , bro . I mean like I can't wait to have you back on . Hopefully , when I come down to Austin I'll bring Shlomo and we can do one in person too . Maybe hit some volcano bags and go way out there Super fun .

But , man , I want to make sure that I give people an ample opportunity to hear where they can find you , connect with you . For everyone listening . Ani runs an amazing group called the Accelerator . He does some other stuff as well , but that's the group I'm in and , for anyone who is into business of any sort , highly recommend it .

I mean , you have people from every walk of life in there . I'm a cannabis coach , there's an IT cybersecurity gentleman in there , there's health entrepreneurs in there . I mean , this is not just one archetype , right ?

I know Ani and I talk a lot about psychedelics today , but this guy's expertise goes very far and wide because , again , how you do anything is how you do everything , so his system has helped me immensely . So I want to make sure you share with people where they can find out more info about that . Connect with you and just get into your world , man .

Get into your whole , your whole thing , dude , because it's amazing .

And yeah , ani Manian , m-a-n-i-a-n on all the platforms Instagram , there's a YouTube channel with videos when I can get myself to post something , the gold only comes up in response to , in response to actual human beings .

So it's hard for me to fire up a camera and just say stuff I have that same challenge , man silence is the ultimate teacher , so I can't really compete with that . But yeah , hit me up and yeah , check out the stuff and if there's any way I can help or support , I'd be happy to .

I always end the show with the same last question , and that question is this rather , let's say , someone listens to this episode and they're really excited to enter into the psychedelic realm in their own life , whether it's looking into medicines , trying them out , et cetera what is the one piece of advice you would offer them to allow them to use the proper

discernment in figuring out whether or not these medicines are right for them at this moment in their lives ?

I don't label things as disorders , but I'm just using it here to communicate In your family like bipolar schizophrenia . Definitely exercise a lot of caution , because this is still a new world and people are still learning how , with certain psychological structures , how psychedelics work . So that's one .

Second is if you're on any prescription medication , then again make sure you look up . You know what the contraindications are . They're not uniform .

So if that's something you're taking that's contraindicated with MDMA , it's probably going to be fine with , let's say , cannabis , you know , ayahuasca , for example , has this like a list of 15 , 20 things that you can't be taking a week before because there's a lot of contraindications . So make sure you do your research . You know for your first time .

If it's your first time or for a much deeper therapeutic experience , it's very helpful to have someone who is guiding you through the experience . One of the reasons is that psychedelics are psychologically destabilizing , right ? Every psychedelic by nature is destabilizing and that's a feature , not a bug .

Because what we're trying to do is we're trapped in this rigid structure and we're saying , hey , I want something different , which means I'm going to need a different structure to experience a different reality . And for me to go from this structure to that structure , I'm going to have to destabilize this one first .

So if you have already a lot of lack of stability in your life whether it's financial , whether it's relational , whether it's where you live and how you live then adding more destabilizing energy is probably going to be counterproductive because your system isn't going to have the stability to fully have a safe , helpful , constructive psychedelic experience .

You may have a negative experience , you may spin out . It may do more harm than good . So make sure that you're coming from a place of stability as you go into a psychedelic experience . To , you know , intentionally destabilize and find yourself in the unknown . Where you do , psychedelics matters a lot . Having a safe physical space is very key . You know .

Doing it out in nature can also be cool , but you know people do a lot of psychedelics at festivals and stuff . It can be fun , but it you know it's very hard to get a lot of therapeutic effect from that ? Definitely , do your research .

There's a lot of options , a lot of different psychedelic medicines and there's a lot of you know amazing applications of each of the different psychedelic medicines . That is my sort of overall guide on , you know , the 80-20 on how to exercise discernment and have the most positive , safe experience . What was the question ? Again , did I answer it ?

You know , thinking into these things on both the 3d plane , like the physical aspect , like making sure you're not any drugs they're going to contraindicate and give you a challenge rather than the experience or make the experience even more challenging than it would need to be . You know , I think that's , you know , numero uno for sure .

Yeah , and then ensuring that people are really understanding what they're getting into , you know , is the always thing . I always say you know .

This is a sort of core principle in that what we want to do is we want to make , especially when you know , if you're doing psychedelics and you have someone with you whether it's a friend who's just going to be there , or a professional psychedelic guide or therapist of some sort , or even if you're at a retreat or something like that it's very , very helpful

to have relationship available with someone during that experience Because , especially to digest some of the more challenging experiences that you may have in your history , it's very helpful to have a safe , loving , nurturing person who is available , who will hold space for you , who isn't going to react to stuff that comes up , who's ?

Maybe they'll just stroke your hair and tell you that it's okay . Who's maybe they'll just stroke your hair and tell you that it's okay , and they'll .

They'll just , you know , um , that actually is one of the most powerful catalysts to the most profound levels of change with psychedelics and I'm not a huge fan of the especially if someone has a decent amount of trauma in their history or it's very early on in their psychedelic exploration . If you can don't do it alone , because nothing bad may happen .

But having relationship on board actually takes the whole process to a whole another level and you'll actually see a lot of your psychology come up where you're like , hey , am I being a burden , am I being an inconvenience ? Is this person pissed off ? And that's going to start revealing a lot of your internal dialogue and your attachment structure .

So obviously make sure that the person you're with , who's helping you , is someone you feel safe with , who you trust , who's not reactive , who's not judgmental , because you know that can also be counterproductive .

So I wanted to share that because I believe that the best work with psychedelics is done in an interactional context , not so much like , you know , put an eye mask on and lay in a corner and no one's going to talk to you and then , once you're done , then you share what happened . That has its time and place .

You know , once you're comfortable , once you know what you're doing , you know your way around things , absolutely Super , super powerful .

But for a lot of people , having an interactional psychedelic experience is often way more useful than just having an experience where it's confusing and alone , and you know there aren't those resources on board yeah , no , I totally agree with that dude .

So even in that context of friends around a campfire doing it , I still think that's a great place to start and I've done some journeys with just Rachel , for instance , where we both go under the knife in terms of medicine , and that's been really powerful .

But at the same time I didn't start there , you know , I didn't start with the eye mask on and just kind of go into my own world , because it can be confusing . You know it can definitely be confusing , for sure .

Ani has helped me so much and there's so many other people I know that are heavy hitters that love ani , and when I first met him , it became immediately apparent to me why . Because this guy really does talk the talk and walk the walk . He's an open-hearted warrior that is so ready to support and be of service .

So make sure you check out the links in the show notes where you can check out the accelerator , find him on instagram , youtube , etc . And tap into his world . This is an amazing person to have in your life . So , sending you guys all the love If you love the show , go give us a five-star review , if you haven't already .

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