Ep. 192: How Psychedelics Can Help You Be A Good Steward For Planet Earth (feat. JR “The Bear” Hendry)

By this point , I am sure you guys know how much I love regenerative agriculture and the concept of being a good steward to the planet . This being said , one of the main reasons I love this field so much is due to its implications upon what it means to be a good steward of the earth on a spiritual level .

The truth is that we are the earth and the earth is us and , as such , how we treat the external world around us is merely a reflection of how we treat ourselves internally , and throughout my life , almost nothing has taught me more about myself than working the land and doing so in a way that leaves a more beautiful world for generations to come .

I think many of us who find love in psychedelic medicines naturally gravitate towards taking better care of the earth around us , and today's guest on the show fits that bill to a tee .

Now he's a returning guest and someone I had a lot of amazing feedback from all of you on after our first podcast and as a man who has spent the last couple of decades focusing upon living his life in a regenerative way , including creating the first clean , green , certified cannabis farm on the legal market today in the US , and in this episode we dive into

many different topics on this subject and more . So make sure to get yourself settled in and ready , as I welcome my brother , jr the Bear Hendry , back to the show . Jr , my man Dude , am I excited to be back on this show with you . You know , the first show we did got so many good , positive feedbacks .

You know , so many people reached out saying , wow , I learned a lot from that episode . Who is this guy ? And so I'm really excited to have you back on , because it's very rare that I find someone who lines up with so many of the values I have within my own viewpoint around not just cannabis but lifestyle as a whole .

You know agriculture , how to leave the garden of earth greener than when we found it , and all the things that we talked about in the last episode . And , like I said in the intro to everyone , you know JR and I have a couple things we're going to talk about today , and other than that , we're going to let the divine take us wherever it may take us .

So , first of all , man , how are you doing today ? For anyone who's listening in audio , you know , I see the beautiful sky behind JR . I imagine you're on your farm right now . I can hear the roosters clucking . So how's life going for you , man ? It seems peaceful AF over there .

You know , there's five days of rain coming soon and and you can already feel the earth reaching for it , like you can smell it , even though it's a couple days off . I swear you can smell it . So it's uh , it's a , it's a happy day on the farm and , yeah , you'll definitely hear the rooster at some point .

We've got free chickens rolling around he'll want to interject his opinion . But yeah , man , welcome to Blue Star Farms .

And you know it's really cool too , because you know , when you live farm life , you know when you do it the I'm not going to say the right way , I'm not going to put duality into this conversation , but when you do it in the way that both of us are in alignment with right , when you're not trying to screw with shit or manufacture things to happen , you know

you are going by the elements , right . Whatever the world wants to do , you know , is what you're going to experience .

And I'm curious for you , like , just out of personal curiosity , like when there is a drought like that or dry spell , are there any things that you could utilize as a regenerative farmer that could support , you know , more water getting into the right places , or is it just a waiting game ?

You know , is there anything that you do in terms of techniques that you would do or have been doing when those kinds of things happen ?

Here , in particular , one thing that we've really showcased well in the little over three years that we've been here we we're not too far from a river , we are in a river .

Bottom here , Over my left shoulder , is a pretty good mountain range for Oklahoma anyway , and over my right is only about 300 yards to the river , 400 yards to the river and this little valley . Here the farm was prone to flooding when we got it , but I would say prone to flooding because of how it was being taken care of .

It looked like a golf course behind me , Everything was mowed , it looked like a subdivision , lawn right , and in doing that the grasses didn't have their natural cycles ability to really go deep with the roots . And if that doesn't happen ability to really go deep with the roots and if that doesn't happen then soil gets compacted , water just runs off .

So I'm making a habit of , you know if the field is not in cultivation , and we're very careful not to do that intentionally .

At least 30-40% of our farm is always in a native state , and even then you know like we'll only brush , hog those grasses , maybe once a year , sometimes every year and a half , and so we're letting those natural grasses , natural plants , do their thing and we it doesn't flood anymore , and so that's the first step is things like that that are conservation .

The right mulch goes a long ways , you know . Soil fertility goes a long way for holding moisture Right . And so there's those steps , and then there's the you know weird steps . We'll call it Right . There's definitely old , what folks would call old wives tales or traditional things that you can do to bring in the rain .

Hugh Courtney , a leader in biodynamic agriculture , specifically had some preparation concoctions that he downloaded that revolve around that , that revolve around that . And so of course , you know , when you come into a drought time , you know we pull out all the tools in the toolbox to attempt to have an effect there .

But I would say that the number one thing to start with there is you know , were you doing the right things in the first place to make use of what you have there is ?

You know , were you doing the right things in the first place to make use of what you have Right , and I think that's just a solid principle in life in general Right Before we go reaching for more , are we properly managing what we ?

But maybe you can explain that to when I ask you this next question . But you mentioned that 30 40% of your land is in kind of a rest period at one time .

You know , and I know , being a regenerative farmer myself , that that is extremely important , right to bring back all the microbe life and also , like , just give the land time to actually take a break in between putting harvest on it , putting harvest on it and putting harvest on it , whereas big ag doesn't really do that .

In the same way , could you explain what resting land does overall and some of the complications that come along with when people don't do that right , when big ag is just kind of like , you know , pushing the land over and over again and they're also , you know , killing off everything and a lot of other things we could talk about too .

But you know what are the main benefits of resting land in between harvests , and you know what are some of the complications associated with not doing that .

Your native grasses , your native plants , in that natural state there's a very well-balanced nutrient cycle , right , a particular grass needs a particular set of micro and macro nutrients to be itself , and then , at the end of the season , when it returns to the soil , right , it pulled things out of the soil and now it's at the top , and now it's going to get

broke down again , and so it's literally , you know , it's mining a nutrient from down deep where its roots are , then it becomes into the grass body , then the grass body decomposes on top of the soil , and so it's literally a cycle of depth in how the nutrients flow . And so , and that'll , nature is very intelligent .

And so , and that'll , nature is very intelligent . So the right grass that that particular patch of soil need a soil test on a piece of land you can tell by right is , in leaving land in its natural state , we are allowing nature's intelligences to nutrient cycle in the way that nature knows best .

Right , then there's the corresponding etherical or spiritual side of it , and I think all of us , especially your intelligent and tapped in listeners , are going to understand the benefit of rest , right , or integration , you know , is another way of looking at it , right , if , if it's all work all time , then there's not a season for the rest that's needed to make

proper growth , there's not a season to integrate what's been learned . You know , those same type of spiritual principles that we're learning in our human bodies . We are nature .

We don't have one set of rules and the rest of nature has another , and so those same principles apply to the land and the rest of nature has another , you know , and so those same principles apply to the land .

We have to allow space for that rest , that breathing , you know , and just given that space , right , I mean , I think we can all relate to that of you know you need to step back . It's me time , right , and there's , there's a certain that happens there that just isn't allowed to be allowed to be in any other setting .

And what immediately came through for me as I was thinking about that question , and then you just said it without me even having to say anything was the idea that , like , we can tell a lot about how we're treating ourselves through how we're treating anything else . And so if we just look at agriculture in general , right , what do we see there ?

We see them really pushing the land , not giving it time to integrate .

And when we look at human beings overall , and we look at rising rates of depression and anxiety and all these things , these are very similar to certain types of weeds approaching our land that are dangerous , that are showing us , hey , this land needs rest , right , maybe there's diseases going on and things of that nature .

And so what do human beings do when that happens ? Oh , you just have a Zoloft deficiency . You just have a Prozac deficiency . Oh , you have a XYZ deficiency .

Instead of realizing that we've been entered into a world where the powers that shouldn't be , whoever they are and whether or not they're human beings or lizard beings they've pushed us into a certain lifestyle that all of us think is , quote unquote , normal , which doesn't really allow any time for ourselves . I mean , think about it right .

We get weekends , which if for most people , if they're able to get a full weekend , is two days , and in that time they have to take care of the entire rest of their life .

You know , when you couple onto that destroying the nuclear family , when you couple into that the whole idea that most people are making less money than they already need , then they're probably going to be working a second job on the weekends , right ?

And so you start to see a really interesting correlation between all of these illnesses going up , as , in my opinion , human beings get farther and farther from our true nature and what is true to us . I mean again , at the end of the day , we are human beings , not human doings , right ? But I think our actions speak otherwise .

I think most of us myself included for many years think of ourselves as a human doing , and when we look at kind of the unspoken core values of Western countries anyway , I won't say the whole world , but at least Western countries , core values of Western countries anyway , I won't say the whole world , but at least Western countries .

It's obvious that the top value we have is productivity . Why would we need things like fast food if something wasn't more important than food ? Why would we need five days a week for work if relaxation was more important ? Right , you know , you can start to see these things through the actions that people take and how the world is set up .

And when we look at the fact that most people are running from their issues . Right , in order to run from your issues , you need to say go , go , going . And so that's why a lot of people also can't relax . They don't even know what to do .

If they have a day to themselves , right , they try to fill it in with things to do , and I've been guilty of this many times in my life . Right , you know . And at the same time , we know that in order for muscles to grow , they need rest . In order for land to be really bountiful and really healthy , it needs rest .

Why wouldn't , then , we fit into that same category , even though so many of us pride ourselves on how much we do , how much we produce , how productive we are , right , and when you look at people like David Goggins or any of these individuals , they kind of glorify that right .

And when you look at people like David Goggins or any of these individuals , they kind of glorify that right . No , I suffer , to suffer . I , you know I need to suffer all the time I need to , you know , really push myself .

And I'm not going to say that's bad , I'm just going to say that it's not my flavor of ice cream , because I realized that can get really shadowy very quick . And personally I've never met anyone that's living that type of lifestyle that I would see as fulfilled , truly happy or truly full of joy .

And I'm curious if you've seen a similar type of pattern in your life .

Even so , to me it's bizarre because I'm a farmer , I'm a regenerative farmer and , as you can see , we live on the land . We live with the land is a more accurate way to say it . So to me it's just a very unnatural . I don't understand that world on the other side of the gate .

If I'm being frank , I don't understand it , and only a very small part of me even cares to try to understand it . It and only a very small part of me even cares to try to understand it . I want to understand it , just enough so that I can understand my role in helping .

But frankly , it makes me dizzy to try to understand that lifestyle , because all of these huge questions that come out of it all goes back to the root of yeah , of course you're screwed up . Look at , you're living a completely unnatural life .

We live in a culture where most people the vast majority , well over 90% of people are multiple generations from growing food . I can't wrap my head around such a strange and bizarre thing . The majority of people don't understand where your food comes from . I don't know where to have a deep conversation when the starting place is something so basic .

As you know , we don't know where . I don't understand what happens out there . It makes no sense to me . And so , yeah , there's all kinds of crazy things that stem from it . Right , of course , there's going to be weird things that come off the branches when the roots are so messed up . Well , this is . We are human beings .

It's a sacred role , and our sacred place in that hoop is not living separate from the land , where all of these essentials for living and breathing and bodily functions come from some industrialized process . The reason that's important is because of how we learn . The greatest , most holy scriptures that have ever been written were creation . This behind me .

That's the holiest scripture that's ever been written , and when I'm connected with it and I work with it , I observe . It's a natural thing that happens . I don't have to focus on it , I don't have to intentionally do it , it's just by default . When I'm working this land , I observe the land and as I observe the land , I learn natural law .

And when I learn natural law , I learn how I operate , I learn how I heal , I learn how I learn and evolve , all of these deep questions that come up in the human experience . There's a blueprint for it . We just have to observe it , and I don't believe that that can be observed .

I don't believe that can be observed in periods of vacation , or you know , the also popular retreat space . You know , I , for instance , I know absolutely nothing about Boston culture and I'm not going to learn anything about Boston culture by going there for the weekend . The weekend , I would have no way of doing that .

I would get this small glimpse right and then that would then be in my mind what Boston culture was about , and anyone from there would laugh at my crazy notions of what I would then believe Boston culture to be . Well , nature is the same way . To know something is to be intimate with something . Intimacy involves time and devotion .

It's just it's not the whole picture , right , like there's so much stuff that goes on here , so much hilariousness . You know , boston's a funny place for sure .

I mean , I've traveled a good amount at this point to places over and over again where I've got like a good taste for months at a time of being there and it's definitely made me grateful to live where I live , just because it's a very silly place . But you really wouldn't get that . You'd actually probably have the opposite .

If you came for two days you'd be like , wow , everyone there's a dickhead , you know . But what you don't understand is that , like you know and you get I mean you're on the eastern side of the country my kind of differentiation between the west and east coast that I heard , that I really enjoyed . And again , this is a generalization for anyone listening .

Of course it's not 100 accurate , but it's a funny thing . So just go with it . So you know the whole idea of the east coast being more kind and the west coast being more nice is how I kind of see the two juxtapositions of east and west .

Where the east coast let's say that you pop a tire on the side of the road , someone might pull over and be like what are you , a fucking dickhead , changing that yourself ? Let me give you a hand right , and they'll actually get out of your car and help you .

Whereas on the west coast , if you're changing your tire , someone may pull over and say , oh , my goodness , that sucks . You popped your tire . I wish you the best of luck and they'll drive off , you know . So it's a different type of energy , you know .

And again , you'd only really understand that if you were here long enough to realize like , yeah , people are going to fuck with you here , but they're also the people that will have your back , no matter what . Whereas , again , I've never lived on the West Coast .

I'm not going to say that the other side is whatever , but as I've shared that with different people , they found comedy in it . So maybe it's accurate in some way , shape or form . Maybe it's accurate in some way , shape or form , maybe it's not , but it's funny to me . You know it's really good dude , funny stuff . Uh well , I'm curious for you , man .

You know I have a question for you of something we talked about a little bit beforehand , um , that I'd love to kind of like throw out there . You know , one of the things that I get asked on a lot from people that are looking to grow cannabis is what genetics should I go out and purchase ? Right , what should I go buy ? What should I look for ?

And I know you have a very specific view on the , let's say , the over commercialization of cannabis genetics and things of that nature . I mean , there's many more ways we could describe what's going on , but you know I'm curious for you .

First of all , I'd like to hear your theory or your viewpoint on cannabis genetics and where we're at right now in the world . And you can take this any way you want . You can take it in terms of the consumerism , slash , capitalist point of it .

You could also take it from the line of land race genetics being all but gone away , basically because of this modern hybridization .

And then I'd also like to hear about if someone listening to the show is like , hey , I don't have a connection , like Ryan or JR , I can't necessarily go out and find genetics the old fashioned way and have someone give me a solid handshake with a pile of seeds in them .

You know , if I can't find that type of connection in the world , how would I go about finding genetics that are truly high quality and are worth purchasing from people that are doing something that is on the right side of history ? Like what are the thoughts that come into your mind or heart around those questions ?

First of all , your own viewpoint on it , and then what people can do that maybe don't have connections like we do to find really high quality genetics without having to pay an arm and a leg for them well , my future ambitions of being the mayor of canna town are going to be wrecked when I answer this .

You know there was essentially , you know we got to begin at the beginning of the modern era . There were , you know , less than a half dozen original Johnny Appleseeds that you know most of them left the West Coast at some point , you know , in the late 60s , early 70s .

They all had a similar , you know story of their backpack around the world , you know , picking up land race genetics in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Asia and Central America and Northern Columbia and all of these places . Then they landed back on the West Coast , specifically , you know Northern California is where most all of them went down .

And then you know modern hybridization happened and it was amazing . Fast forward 50 , some odd years from that point and it's become not only commercialized I think the more accurate word is egotized , right . A lot of breeding has turned into this . A lot of cannabis in general has turned into this . Competition of this is better .

And it's this weird , just strange , bizarre flexing that I just I I can't wrap my head around , I don't enjoy it and I try to steer away from it . But you know , also in the middle there was amsterdam .

You know , amsterdam was a safe place to have some genetics , um , and so a lot of stuff got stored there from folks on the West Coast that were breeders . But then some weird stuff happened in Amsterdam and I'm going to get a whole lot of rocks thrown at me for this statement , but Amsterdam didn't do a whole lot to help . In my opinion .

Amsterdam didn't have the ability , didn't have the space to do proper pheno hunts and to do proper breeding . So you end up with white rhino and everything no different than you know nowadays . You end up with a handful of strains and everything , because there's not the proper space For a real pheno hunt . You've got to be growing on a commercial level , it's .

I mean you can't . It's really hard to pheno hunt five plants . You know , you're you're depending on some natural lottery to be able to do that Right , because in a original , you know , f1 cross there's no telling how many dozens , if not hundreds , of variations are going to be expressed in that seed .

And so if I only pick four of those seeds to pop , I am literally just playing a natural lottery . And now don't get me wrong , some amazing things can and have happened with that genetic lottery .

But when we talk about it from a breeding perspective , right from a breeding perspective , I want to be choosing certain selections because of certain qualities , and that takes a certain quantity to be able to do , and that takes a certain quantity to be able to do .

And the challenge with the Amsterdam era , it was all inside on a fairly small scale , right , like nobody was blowing up 200 light grows in Amsterdam in the 80s and 90 still , you know , hard to be able to do a real pheno hunt in . And so I think I have the strong opinion and I own my bias .

You know , having come up in this thing on the West Coast , I know I have a West Coast bias . Having the genetic conversation , I don't think we can quantify the huge beneficial influence that the original you know big commercial farmers of Northern California and Southern Oregon did for all of us . So there's my preface on how we got here .

Now to answer your question , if someone's out there and their question is hey , what genetics do I run and how do I get them ? There are a handful of excellent , amazing breeders out there currently , and most of them you can find on Instagram . Here's what I would tell you to look for to know which ones are going to have real quality .

If you don't see a giant garden that they're running , they're probably not going to have the ability to do what I just described . You know some of my favorite breeders out there . You know they have large gardens , they have families with large gardens , they have a circle of friends with large gardens . All in this .

You know general area that they're in and you can see them doing their phenohunts and selections out of more than you know a half dozen or a dozen plants . Now don't get me wrong . Again , I just want to make sure I'm clear . Some great things can happen .

I can luckily get one really great male and , with luck , get one really great female , and I can cross them and , with some luck , have an amazing outcome . I'm not saying that doesn't happen . What I'm saying is , mathematically that's clearly not reliable . So I would look for those things specifically .

I would also encourage everyone not to sell yourself short on the great ganja adventure and that is , go to these places yourself . You're going to find seed swaps . You're going to find seed swaps . You know there is a whole generation of folks like me that have the opinion that you know seeds are to be shared , you know , and swapped and traded .

That it's not necessarily the space to build a business around , but you know , not saying that there's not some good folks that have done that and do do that . But generally speaking , you know that was kind of the culture I came up around was you know seeds are for trading . You know packs are for selling .

So you know that was the culture I came up around and I , again , I own my bias and so I would encourage people to look on Instagram , find those folks . But , like , dude , you want to talk about an Epic road trip . Like , go into , you know , gondra country , which is a lot of different places these days .

You know , and drive around , meet some folks , see who you vibe with .

You know , because there's some characters on all ends of the spectrum and involved in cannabis right , some of the greatest people you'll ever meet , some of the most egotistical , some of the most down to earth , some of the most wackadoodle , so you know all of the ranges of the human experience . You're going to find those extremities and that's fun , you know .

So go to those places . You know . Go to go to your local dead cover band show in the Emerald's fun , you know , so go to those places . You know . Go to go to your local dead cover band show in the emerald triangle , you know .

Or , uh , or southeastern oklahoma or something you know , and and go out in the smoking section during set break and make some friends and and see what comes of it . You know there's . Go to the farmer's market , because a lot of us are going to be there too .

Go to the places that you would find the people you'd vibe with in those regions that are known for cannabis production , and make an adventure out of it . I think we live in a world where we sometimes think everything has to be ordered from the Internet and those conveniences are great .

But you know , let's not sell ourselves short on the cool adventure that could be had there too right , of going someplace like this and uh , and meeting people face to face and seeing what shakes up . You know , because there are plenty of people out there like me , that when I meet you know good people , I want to support them .

There's a reason I will continually jump on a podcast with Ryan because I firmly believe in what Ryan's doing . And if Ryan says , hey , bro , you got some dank genetics , I'm gonna you know , you bet your ass , I'm gonna be like , yeah , man here , try some of these out . You know , because of your approach , right , we're gonna vibe , vibe .

Now , on the same token , if somebody comes at me with a completely different vibe and I can see that some other mask is being worn , you can also bet your ass that I'm going to let them know . I don't know , don't know the guy don't have any , sorry , good luck .

You know , and I think that is part of the natural role of stewardship that comes with working with with plant medicines , and I greatly appreciate that and think it has a place of great value in a culture that has very rapidly turned into giant egos and money being at the forefront , and that's just not . I don't get down like that .

I mean hell , the industry as a whole doesn't really see it as a plant medicine , even though most people that would fit into this category don't see it as such . I mean hell , the industry as a whole doesn't really see it as a plant medicine . They just see it as , like getting high or a commodity , or you know something of that nature .

And you know , again , like one of the things that I love to teach people is what real cannabis culture truly is , which is all about sharing , coming together , connection , like connection is to me , the foundational level of what cannabis culture truly is .

And so when you're talking about like hey , go to the farmer's markets , you know , go to a cool place , right . Like meet some people , you know , like , what are we really saying here ? Hey , be a human being , go find other human beings , go find things that you enjoy , right .

These are like base level things in reality that may seem very far-fetched to people today because of how far off the beaten path we've gotten when it comes to what true human nature really is . You know , even if it was heirloom tomato seeds we were talking about , right , it'd be the same conversation .

It's not just because it's cannabis that we're having this conversation , right , it's that people aren't going out and connecting with their neighbors , with their towns , with places they want to go visit . Why would I need to go to Thailand ?

I can go online and look at a travel video of someone going to Thailand , right , it's like that's not going to give you the direct experience of it . The same way that when you look at the educational system , how many people have PhDs ?

And , as a result , they think they actually know said thing , but they're missing out on the direct experience of it , right ? You know how many therapists and counselors and you know these types of people try to tell me about psychedelics .

And then I ask them oh , how many therapists and counselors and you know these types of people try to tell me about psychedelics ? And then I asked them oh , how many times have you done psychedelics ? And they're like , well , I've never done it .

I'm like , well , then , what giving what makes you think you have the right to try to tell me someone who's had a direct experience of something you've never had the direct experience of , right , it's a thirst trap .

It ends up making people think they know things because we're taking in more intellectual information , but in reality , you know , like Paul Cech always says , what does PhD stand for ? Piled higher and deeper into someone else's world , right , the only way to really know what an apple is is to eat the fucking apple . You can go learn about pectin .

You can learn about the varieties , you can even learn about the type of soil they grow in , right , the different types of varieties that grow well together , but none of that is going to teach you what an apple is better than just going out into the field picking one and eating it . You know , and what I always say is that it's kind of backwards , right .

Like if I go out into the field and I find an apple and I'm like really love that experience , well , yeah , now I might want to go learn about pectin and all these other things , right , but it's almost like people reversed it , you know , like they're not going from the direct experience , initiating them into wanting to learn more about something .

They're learning about something and actually omitting the direct experience as a result of having intellectual knowledge around it .

And so , when it comes to cannabis culture and all the things we're talking about , that is happening so often , right , not only on the side of people that don't use cannabis that are trying to tell people that use cannabis what cannabis is like . We know that happens . But even in the industry , right , like oh , why would I go to that place ?

You know I can get gelato seeds down the street . Right , it's like , well , why are you going for gelato seeds ?

Let's say and I'm not dissing gelato , I talk about gelato a lot , I'm not this and gelato , but but at the end of the day , it's that , like , most people are going after metrics like how high the thc is and all these things they think really matter .

But it was funny because when I worked at the dispensary , we had a strain there , sunset sherbert , which was big news in like 2016 , and people fucking loved it , right , but what they didn't realize was that it was only 13 delta , 9 thc or thca .

And so it was very interesting when I would tell people that because they're like , no , it's no , it's got to be higher than that . No , no , like I got ripped off that and I'm like no , there's a lot more components to cannabis that you won't know if you're going to buy the same genetics , the same flower in stores and whatever as everyone else is buying .

You know , again , cannabis genetic creation is an art form , just like any other type of art . And the second it starts getting modernized and commercialized , it starts losing a lot of its uniqueness . And that's my gripe with you know , cannabis genetics today is that , you know , sell them , do whatever the hell you want , but don't make it all just cookie cutter .

You know , and I didn't even mean to throw in the cookies thing there , because everything's across the cookies these days , but and again , I'm not dissing cookies , that was a cool variety that someone made . But why does everything now have to be crossed with it , right ? Why are we so obsessed with these certain things ?

And I think the challenge is I mean , it's multifaceted , obviously , but most people don't even know about this stuff , so they have no context for the fact that them going to a dispensary and asking for the highest percent is not really the only thing they can do . So I think it's like a reeducation around .

You know this entire subject , but I'm with you , jr , you know like I think the best part of life is adventure , and I think that term is something that adults forget very often . They might know travel , they might know visiting different places , but do they know the term adventure still and do they still have an adventurous spirit ?

And that was one of the things .

You know , debating what you may think about greenhouse seeds and whatever , because I know they're a bigger company , but their strain hunter show was such a cool thing for me to watch as a kid , you know , because here are these people that again maybe going out and giving hybridized seeds to indigenous cultures and that part I was a little like weird about , but

but but they're actually going out there and they're trying to find these long lost genetics . You know , and I think there's a lot of ability for all of us to do something similar . Maybe not give all these indigenous elders uh , you know , girl scout cookie seeds , because that's going to then start messing with the entire land race genetic collection they have .

But you know , tomato , tomato , it's just not my taste . But you know , again , like being able to adventure just overall is so important , let alone in the microcosm . It is for cannabis genetics , you know , and I think that's one thing that humanity has started to forget in a big way .

They were just sharing something that they really enjoyed with someone that they really respected . Unintentionally , what happened is , you know , that land race cultivar now , 20 years later , is gone , you know , and it's that land race cultivar , you know , crossed with some white rhino , and so that happens , who's to say in the grand scheme of time .

You know , maybe that was the right move , I don't know , but it is an interesting thing to ponder . But I think the key point that I heard you say in all of that gold there came down to connection . The best way to get to know an apple is to taste an apple , not read about it .

That plays such a huge part in modern day cannabis that I don't think it can be understated . I'm going to share some personal observation statistics that I don't think most people would be aware of and again , I haven't done a peer reviewed study on this . So take it for what it's worth .

This is just my observation over the course of 26 years in commercial cannabis . The vast majority vast majority , I would bet at least 90% of the modern American cannabis industry has not only never touched a psychedelic , but they're fucking terrified of it . These are not people that would sit with plant medicine .

They're people that want to pop dub in the club and flex about how much money they got . This is not folks that want to sit with medicine and stare shadows in the eyes . These are folks that sell shadows for everyone else to put on .

Those are drastically different energies and it's had an unquantifiable effect on not only the cannabis culture but on cannabis as a medicine . If your sacred medicine is being defiled before it comes to you , is it still sacred ? I don't know . I'm putting it out there as a question .

There is an undeniable influence of those types of energies around this amazing plant and it has some effect . I won't sit here and attempt to quantify it , but it has some effect and I would personally believe that it's drastic . I would go even further and say you know , depending on where you're at in the country , but if you took the country .

As an average , I bet there's pushing 50% of the cannabis industry that doesn't even consume cannabis in any kind of way . Out of the 50% that does , I bet 40% of them smokes like an alcoholic . Those are my observations .

Take those three pieces there , put it together and tell me what you come up with on your Venn diagram , and I think it perfectly explains what's going on with cannabis culture and cannabis as a medicine in our culture . And how do we fix it .

People have to have a desire to , to want to heal before the heal , and that usually takes pain and struggle to have that true desire . And you have to have a true desire to truly jump into the abyss , because the abyss is terrifying and anyone that tells you it isn't has never looked at it .

And to willingly choose to jump into that abyss , it takes devotion , willingly choose to jump into that abyss . It takes devotion . It takes a great deal of care and integrity , you know , and a lot of times that comes up , you know , like a splinter coming out right of .

I have to do something about this , this has to change right and that becomes this driving force of . Because I want that change , I am willing to do what is necessary to truly understand it and heal it .

And just like that splinter coming up , you know , a lot of times we've got that splinter pussing up and you've got to dig in there and stab it a little bit to get it out . You've got to cause it . It hurts a little bit to remove it , to cause it hurts a little bit to remove it .

And I would say that the true healing process is is very much similar to that , especially when working with medicines . You know it's um , it's not all sunshine and unicorns .

You know , um , we have to be willing to go to those dark and scary places and and shine some light there , or at least look them in the eye and let them know that it's okay for light to shine there . And all of those things play a huge factor on this amazing plant of cannabis .

To it , like you're doing with your awesome platform and just who you are as a human being , brother , I think , is having a greater impact than a thousand breeders could ever have . Because , you know , genetics are one thing , but that genetic expression , for that healing to come through it means a sacred place .

Well , you can take the greatest cannabis in the world and put it in the wrong setting and it's no longer healing . So what then becomes the most important factor is absolutely the reverence , the space , how we approach it , our intention .

That's , hands down , the most important factor , and it's the most important factor from the seed to the joint and all things in between how we approach it A hundred percent .

So if we think about this , right , if we asked 10 people , do you think it matters what kind of household a child grows up in in terms of how they show up in the world thereafter , I bet all 10 would say yes .

They might have different answers of how much it matters , why it matters , you know things like that , but I guarantee they're going to all agree that the household and environment of a child really impacts that child's ability to thrive or merely just survive as they get into adulthood . So if we think about just that , right .

And now we think about , let's say , pets you know pit bulls , for instance , are talked about often . Oh my goodness , pit bulls are dangerous dogs , are they ? Or do dangerous ? People happen to buy pit bulls often and do dangerous things with them , right , it's like we have to trace it back to figure out where these things start .

So if we look at life and we start to see that even an apple tree right or you know an apple tree , let's say , for instance , you know if you grow an apple tree in a terrible place with all sand , you try to grow it in the desert probably not going to be that successful , no matter how amazing the genetics are , no matter how much you paid for the seeds

, no matter how much you're out there trying to water it every day , if the environment is not right , something messy is going to occur .

So now when we look at cannabis , it's pretty funny how , for the first couple of years that I was out there saying hey , the energy of the grower really matters in the context of that final medicine , people would be like that's woo , woo . That doesn't make sense .

And again , this is a perfect example of how a lot of people have been piled higher and deeper with intellectual knowledge that is not based on the natural laws of the universe . They don't even know that natural laws of the universe occur or are real . They'd probably call that woo-woo as well .

And so the challenge I have sometimes is that when I'm speaking those things , there's a very small subset of the population that will actually be able to feel intuitively how that is accurate .

And again , it's not rocket science , right , if we understand that kids take in a good environment , plants take a good environment , pets take a good environment , relationships take a good environment , food takes a good environment , environment , all these things take good environments . Why , all of a sudden , is cannabis just somehow inert to that ?

Last I checked , cannabis is a living being , just like any other plant , just like anything in this world , because everything has consciousness to it .

So it's been actually really interesting and kind of comical to me how it's taken about two or three years of me sharing this stuff and kind of like being on this hill for people to start really realizing and not you , of course , I mean , you've got this for a lot longer than I've been alive .

But , like you know , again , like a lot of people now are reaching out saying , oh my God , I'm starting to get this , and I think that's happening as the collection collective wakes up more , whatever that terminology actually you know resonates with in terms of each individual .

But I think as people start really like slowing down enough to actually realize that there are natural laws here and that if you disobey them you're going to have a negative outcome and if you obey them , on the other hand , you get positive outcome . Perfect example of this is you want nature to support you Cool . What are you doing to support nature ?

Do you pick up trash around your area when you're out walking ? If you aren't , then how do you expect nature to take care of you ? Not because it's tip or tap , but it's because you get out what you put into things . Right .

And again , if we think about also the layer of belief and how belief is a gigantic part I mean maybe the biggest part of the human experience .

For instance , right , if I believe that I am good enough , I'm going to be able to take risks that someone else who has all the resources in the world but doesn't feel they're good enough are not going to feel worthy to take . Nothing is different .

Let's say , we have the same resources , we grew up in similar environments , whatever , but if they somehow have this belief system , if they're not enough , their life experience is going to be drastically different to the one I have , believing that I am enough .

So if we understand that , and then we juxtapose that onto the belief systems most people have around cannabis , and then we look at where those belief systems come from , which is typically rap music Cheech and Chong and again , I'm friends with Chong , I'm no diss on him , but again this paints a very specific picture of cannabis .

You look at Pineapple Express Harold and Kumar go to White Castle all these depictions of cannabis and what is it ? The thing that's going to get you arrested ? The thing that's dumb as hell and the thing that has no other use except just getting high and eating Cheetos .

So you think those belief systems aren't impacting the experience of the people that have taken that information in and are unconsciously believing those things . That's why I tell everyone you know , when people reach out to me and say , cannabis isn't a psychedelic , I've been smoking for XYZ amount of years and I've never done anything like that .

This is false news , right ? I'm like , okay , cool . Well , have you looked into your belief systems around cannabis ? Because if you haven't , I don't even know why we're talking yet . Right , like these are very high level things that only certain people understand .

Because if you don't even understand belief , there's only a certain type of person that would even be able to listen to this podcast , for instance . Right , because there's so much foundational stuff that you'd have to understand . First of all , you're an infinite being .

First of all , you are the dreamer , dreaming this entire world into reality , which is not truly reality but is an illusion , and that this entire world is really a conspiracy theory , in ways of the ego to conspire to pull you away from God and your mission so should you choose to accept it is to stop giving the ego power and start siding with the higher self

of the Holy Spirit . If you don't understand any of that , and then I start , or you start , talking about how the environment that cannabis has grown in really matters in terms of the final product . Someone's not even going to register how that makes sense .

And so , again , like what we're dealing with here is the fact that a lot of people that are utilizing a plant medicine because that's what cannabis is just like I talk about all the time , just like JR is talking about these are not for beginners , and I don't say that in a judgmental way .

I say that as someone who also got started in these when I was a beginner and had some very challenging experiences happen as a result . Now , were those things good in the sequence of my life ? Yes , I was able to work through them .

I was able to get the message in regards to what we're talking about here , and I was able to make wiser and more discerning choices , moving forward . But I will tell you and again , you know , I'd love to hear your thoughts on this I do not think most people that are beginners happen to go through that type of stuff , you know .

I think most of them , because I work with them every single day are stuck . They don't know who they are , where they come from , where they're going , why they're here , what their purpose is . They don't have any context for anything . And now they're here , what their purpose is . They don't have any context for anything .

And now they're utilizing a plant medicine with a bunch of unconscious beliefs that they don't realize even exist . They don't even realize they have an unconscious . And then what happens is they maybe have a challenging experience , they do something stupid , they get in the car or whatever , and now cannabis is getting the blame for it .

And that shows the whole idea of humanity not wanting to own up for their own challenges , not wanting to own their own shadow , wanting to put the blame out there , where no power exists , instead of putting it in here that , yes , we'll sting , and that's what it's meant to do , because pain is a teacher and until you actually get the lessons it's trying to

teach you , you will keep falling into pain and you will think you're a victim of it . And when you think you're a victim , you are powerless . And boom , you have created the perfect breeding ground for the ego to be the entirety of your reality .

And now you have bought into the conspiracy theory of all of this being real and you are getting farther and farther away from reality . Then , as you start to have psychedelic experiences , you're going to have monumentally challenging experiences because it's going to challenge every single thing you've come to believe about reality .

And people wonder why people have challenging experiences with psychedelics . It's because they don't have a foundation of the creation story , of what we're doing here . They're not connected to the land . And again , I'm not saying this the same way you are as a judgmental way . And again , I'm not saying this the same way you are as a judgmental way .

We're not talking judgmentally . We're just talking about like , hey , we're sick of the cannabis plant and other psychedelics and nature getting the blame for human beings , shitty , uninformed actions . And if we want to stop that , we kind of have to sting them where it hurts , which is , hey , turn the mirror around . There's no one else to blame .

This plant didn't hold a gun to your head . Mushrooms . One else to blame . This plant didn't hold a gun to your head . Mushrooms didn't force you to connect with them . You made decisions and until you own those decisions , you're never going to be a grown-up . No matter how old you seem in a human body that really isn't even real man , you're still right .

But in this case , when we're specifically talking about learning and gaining wisdom through the psychedelic experience whether it's with cannabis or other plant medicines we a lot of times focus on those extremities , one being what you just described right of this classic , what we will uncomfortably call a bad trip , which was really just something we didn't want to look

at and process . And then we look at the other extremity that I would say is oh , I had a great time , it was highly entertaining . I would put those in the same bucket . Oh , I had a great time , it was highly entertaining . I would put those in the same bucket . One comes from a place of unwillingness and one comes from a place of lack of awareness .

You're not going to find something you're not looking for . If your perspective and your worldview is that all of this is just here to entertain me , then that's what it's going to do Watch the world sing and dance with absolutely no meaning , and I would describe that as hell . That sounds very hellish to me .

On the other hand , these experiences of you know I had this rough time when I ate a you know high dose edible or some mushrooms or whatever . We need to look at those honestly and I know I have deep empathy for how difficult that is . I know it's difficult , but if we get honest with ourselves , we'll see that this wasn't some bad trip .

This was something came up at the beginning of where it turned right that we didn't want to look at and then , as we curled in a ball in the corner and this thing didn't go away , it became rough . So what's the answer to that not happening ? Don't curl in a ball and turn your head . Accept your own folly as a human . It's okay .

We've been sold this idea of perfection to our great detriment . I believe if we take any figure from theology or dogmatic figure , we take that term perfect . We should erase our idea of what that means and instead insert perfectly devoted . That's the same energy we want to approach these things with , right .

Of course , I cannot be responsible for doing something correctly that I didn't know how to do . That's a silly notion . So pour some grace on yourself Now , after we know how to do it , I can you I can afford to give myself a little bit more stern talking to of well , I knew better and I did it anyway .

Okay , well , go ahead and take your whippings for that one , because you earned it , but forgive yourself and do better . But a lot of times these bad trip experiences are before we really know better and we need to look at that word . Know To know something has absolutely almost nothing to do with intellect , even though that's how our culture looks at it .

To know something is to experience something , and that is a seven chakra , 360 degree . You know experience . I can't experience something just by touch , right ? I can't experience something just by reading about it . It's this full experience of intellectual , this is the union of you know the mind and the heart that the mystics talk about , right ?

So it takes that rough experience to truly know . So it's okay . Don't beat yourself up for not wanting to look at it the first time or the second time or the 50th time . It doesn't matter how deep down that road of running from it we are At any given moment . We can choose to just stand , accept our humanity and look this thing in the eye .

Whatever we want to call it right , that part of us we don't want to look at demons , right , shadows , uncomfortable whatever , whatever you want to label it as . A lot of times , all we have to do to make the boogeyman go away is look at the boogeyman .

We don't have to fight him , we don't have to pull some super human miracle , and there doesn't have to be some magic . Magic is another word for courage , I believe and all we really have to do is look , stand firmly in your accepted humanness and just be there , present and watch how the shadows transform .

I'd be curious to hear what it resonates with you guys too , when I send out the email . But you know , again , like this whole idea of a bad trip implies that you're meeting a part of you quote unquote that maybe you don't want to face or something like that .

But typically in my experience , when I meet these parts , you know , during the experience is challenging because there's a part of me that believes that really is me and so that's the challenge , right , the challenge is that I believe it's me . It's not that I saw it right .

If I see something in a psychedelic experience that I don't feel relates to me , it's not scary , right , it has no context or relevance to me , but it's the belief behind whatever you're seeing being very scary or being a part of you that I found really leads to the challenge .

And again , like , while you're going through it , it's kind of hard to remember this , but when I come out of it , every time I have a challenging experience , it reminds me a little bit quicker , like , oh , I just met some of the anti me .

Oh , I just met some of the anti me , some of the stuff that wasn't really me that I picked up along the way , that I'm now like , where it feels challenging . What I think it feels challenging around is that this part is me and I don't want to face it .

But what the real thing is is , I found , is that , no , my soul or my higher self or whatever omniscient power within and without us is leading me to see something that I believe is part of me , to ultimately transcend and realize it was never part of me to begin with , you know , and that it was just me versus the anti me . And that's really what it is .

And I think that the more that we face those things , the more that we can transcend them , transmute them and come back to what we truly are , which is infinite beings that have never been born , will never die , and that what we're in right now is an experience , it's a dream , right , and at the same time , that doesn't mean it's useless or it's not .

You know it's not real , or nihilism or any of that . It means no , have the best dream possible . And how you have the best dream possible is you pick your beliefs very wisely and also you understand the part of the human experience is sometimes you pick stuff up without realizing it .

So you have these things like psychedelics along the way that you can connect with in an intentional way , to be like . I don't know if I really know what's on the brunt of my anxiety or depression or whatever . It's not in my conscious mind , but obviously something's going on .

I know I don't just have a Zoloft deficiency here , so let me go behind the veil , so to speak , and figure out what may be unconsciously at work here so I can gain clarity on it . And what I always tell everyone is remember how you felt before you took the psychedelic , because before you take the psychedelic you're usually very confident , very courageous .

And then of course , you're expecting a challenge may arise . But when the challenge arises the ego plays a lot of tricks of like it shouldn't be happening like this , this isn't , this isn't supposed to happen .

And so now you're in , what it could have should have land right , which is not reality and so just pattern , interrupting yourself and reminding yourself like no , I chose to take this medicine intentionally and responsibly because I thought I was going to , I was going to meet this . So , congratulations , I'm now meeting it .

Okay , let me work through that , let me breathe through it , let me remind myself that I am loved , let me remind myself that I am worthy , no matter what I believe is inside of me and all of these kinds of things we talk about .

And if you can do that , you come out the other side having a really big weight lifted off your shoulders because you've realized in a whole way that you've thirst , trapped yourself into thinking you're bad , not worthy , not enough whatever , when in reality it was just something that was specifically crafted for you to overcome it .

So then , hopefully , you can go share that with other people , share your experience and inspire them to go on the hero's journey , with or without psychedelics , to make themselves more them and less anti them that's beautiful and I , I think , to put an exclamation point on what you just said all of that suffering that you just described there was centered around one

thing belief .

If I'm going to knock on the door of infinite intelligence and infinite wisdom and infinite love and the best thing that I could show up with is empty hands , an empty glass and the prayer on my heart of you know , let this be filled . So you know , I would say there , surrender is the key , and I know that word comes with a weird charge .

Right , but surrender those beliefs . Don't show up to the door of infinite wisdom and infinite love and tell it what to do . It's silly . Show up empty and repeat that mantra . One of the most fantastic psychedelic experiences I've ever had in my life . Dr David Hawkins . If you're familiar with him , his first book was Power Versus Force .

I had just finished reading maybe his second or third book . A good friend of mine was what I could only describe as a very serious devotee of Dr Hawkins . There were a lot of people that believed that Hawkins was a true bodhisattva and I couldn't find argument with that .

There was an amazing amount of understanding and intelligence that he shared , and I had just finished reading I don't remember if it was the second or third book , but in there he talked about . He said the most powerful prayer we could ever pray is I surrender all to thee , o Lord .

And so I find myself on this beautiful healing retreat that some friends owned and I had gone around sharing with a bunch of different people in different places on this large community and large piece of land , and the sun was down and it was dark now and as the medicine was coming on strong , I laid back on the side of the sill and I stared up at the

stars and was taking in this beginning of the force of the medicine really pouring over me strongly . It wasn't a conscious thought , but I believe it was maybe karmic destiny , maybe it was because I just read this book that talked about that , I don't know .

Regardless , I remember having the thought of now seems like a good time to say that prayer , and so I began repeating I surrender all to thee , lord . And the first thing I noticed was my preconceived notions of what I was going to experience .

I felt that , you know , like a heavy jacket being taken off of me , and as I continued to repeat this mantra , it became physical , as I would say it again I surrender all to thee . All of a sudden , the sensation of the cool grass underneath my hands and on the bottoms of my bare feet . That was gone and there was no more grass .

And as I noticed the cool shadows that the trees were making and the moonlight , all of a sudden that was gone and there was no more grass . And as I noticed the cool shadows that the trees were making in the moonlight , all of a sudden that was gone and the trees were gone .

And as I continue to repeat this mantra of I surrender all everything , in my awareness I was continually , as the awareness of it and the observation of it , all of its , I would repeat this mantra . And before I knew it , I found myself in a extremely vast empty of anything space . There was nothing .

And the last thought that I had before this beautiful cosmic joke got its punchlines delivered was , I remember thinking well , if nothing is here now , then this must be where God is , and it echoed around me Must be where God is , must be where God is , must be where God is .

And all of a sudden , here was this illuminated me , looking back at myself and the tears I since then is that surrender is such an important key if we want to discover truth . If I have a preconceived notion about who Ryan is , I can never possibly get to know Ryan . It's impossible . And everything is that same way , that whole truth .

If I want to discover truth , then I can't show up at truth's doorstep ready to deliver a message of truth . It doesn't work that way . So I 100% agree with what you were saying there , brother . Surrender certainly appears to be the key to just about every door .

And the analogy that came to me too is you know , it's like if it's 1990 , and you go to a dead show and Jerry's up there noodlingling around and you think that the best way to hear the music is to get up there and kick them off stage and try to play yourself Right , well then , why did you come to a concert ?

You came there to receive the magic they were giving you , right . But if you're like , no , I got some magic too and you got to get out there and prove your magic , well then you miss out on all their magic . You know , and who is their magic ? It's also your magic .

You forget , you miss out on an opportunity to discover more about your own magic by thinking as though you already have magic figured out .

That's one of the traps of the ego , I found , and I think it's also beautiful , right Like in order to figure out what we are , we ultimately I believe anyway , best in my experience and people I've talked to we must quote unquote get it wrong sometimes , which I don't think is wrong whatsoever .

I think it's falling into the traps of the ego , falling into finiteness , falling into lack and scarcity and all of that that eventually , the pain teacher that we talked about before finally goes . Hey brother , how many times you need to visit this before you realize this isn't the answer ?

And if you can get the message , you can hang up the phone and you can go to the Grateful Dead show and just enjoy being in their magic , even if that party wants you . Oh , I could get up there and play and I'm going to kick Jerry off stage . No , you're not . You came there to have the experience .

You know , and I think that's really what we're all doing and why you know Ram doing and why you know Ram Dass says we're all walking each other home . You know , it makes a lot of sense when you think about it from this context of the fact that we all have unique magic . That is all our magic because we're all one being here .

You know , oneness implies nothing else-ness , you know , which is one of my favorite statements to say recently . But at the end of the day , because we're in somethingness in this dream here , it takes a lot of deprogramming to reach oneness within somethingness . Because , again , it's kind of like you know the whole idea of God . How do I even put this ?

It's almost like you want to have one foot in the experience and live the best dream and realize that nothing you do matters . But it's very important . You do it right , you play the role , but at the same time you don't want to forget yourself , like , okay , here's the analogy I was looking for .

I've said this in almost the last five episodes , so sorry to the listeners , but not sorry . So if you are a parent and your child is afraid of the boogeyman . You know the boogeyman is not real , right , but you can't go in there and just be like shut up , kid , the boogeyman's not real . So you have to , to a certain degree , play along with this theory .

This child believes that the boogeyman is real . But if you forget the boogeyman's not real within that and you get pulled into your son or child or daughter's world of like , oh my God , the boogeyman is real , well , now your kid is going to be terrified because the person meant to protect them has forgotten the fact that they're in like a distortion of sorts .

Right , this child doesn't know that the boogeyman is not usually someone you find under bed , it's usually the IRS or whatever . But you know again , the boogeyman do exist .

But you know , again , it's like you know , if you forget that you're God and that everything is God it's not a hierarchical thing here , everything is God If you forget that , it's really hard to play in the world of somethingness and enjoy it Because , again , somethingness will never create oneness .

It's almost like oneness can create somethingness but somethingness can't create oneness . So , again , if you're coming at this world from an egotistical point of view , aka somethingness , you're going to feel in lack constantly because somethingness can't get you back to oneness . But if you start to forgive and surrender , you start to go closer to oneness .

As you go closer to oneness , somethingness becomes a whole different game . It becomes enjoyable , it becomes the game that you are aware you're playing and you also know that at any point when the game gets challenging , first of all you remember it's a game . Second of all , you also realize the game is not going to go forever .

So even if it's challenging now , it's okay . That's beautiful too , because I come from a place where there is no game to play , right , it's just oneness .

I came down here to have somethingness and , I think , being able to remind ourselves of that through experience , through connection , through whatever it may be plant medicine , whatever is essential to the human experience , and to bring it all the way back to what we were talking about in the beginning .

I think that's one of the main challenges happening in society right now . Have the objective answer . But I know that these conversations are a big part of it . You know . I know psychedelics are a big part of it . I know that . You know coaching and therapy and whatever can be a big part of it .

I know any of these things can work , but I think ultimately , however , we get from something this back to oneness .

Whatever that is for us , whether it's riding a tractor on a farm and that makes you feel more connected , whether it's playing music live , and that makes you feel connected , whatever that thing is , you got to find that thing and you got to put all your focus onto it Because , again , this world is also kind of like .

We all have dementia of sorts , right , we forget the oneness and we get attached to somethingness . So we need these things in our life that are going to remind us of the oneness , of our true nature when we get too stuck in somethingness .

But the mushroom told it to me once in a way that I love saying of it's all entirely serious to take too entirely serious .

And one last thing as we wrap this up , because this seems to be a theme in this conversation we've had today .

I don't know if this is true outside of North American , central American Indigenous cultures , but I do know that it's true within those cultures that most tribal names , what it means in their language is the real human beings or the true human beings , and how many times does that theme came up in this conversation today , right , um ?

You know , and again , like these conversations helped me so much and it's one of the biggest gratitudes I have for being on the path I'm on is that , between coaching , podcasting and whatever , it's almost impossible for me to forget now , because , if I do , I have multiple reminders each day , speaking to people like yourself , working with clients , hanging out with

Rachel or Pierre . It's almost like my higher self has known all along , like this kid's probably going to forget a lot , so let's make sure that he sets his entire life up to be reminders so that no matter where he goes , he's getting reminded .

You know , and that's hilarious to me , like it's actually funny , you know , it's funny that we're here and that we forget , and then we remember and then we forget .

And that is what makes us human , and the more that we can connect with each other , the less we forget and the more we remember , man , and that's why one of the millions of reasons I'm so grateful to have you in my life , brother , one of the millions of reasons I'm so grateful to have you in my life , brother , and this has been an amazing , amazing

conversation , dude , incredible . I just pure flow state . We could have gone for five more hours , dude , and I'm so grateful . Man , I can't wait for the day we get to meet in person , I get to give you a big old hug and come out of the farm .

But , dude , remind people where they can find you If you haven't checked out JR's first episode , everyone listening highly recommend doing that . This guy is an absolute sage and an absolute gangster and I'm so proud of him and so grateful to have him in my life . But where can people find you , man , where they can find out more about blue star farms ?

If you're in oklahoma and you're a medical patient , definitely check out blue star farms where they can . Where can they go to connect with you personally , brother ?

If I can be of any service to those that are on this incredibly important path that we're discussing , I am happy to be of service . Our tribe is small in number but mighty in spirit , and I am completely devoted to being in service of it . So if you find yourself in that tribe and think that I can help , don't be shy . Reach out , happy to help .

I love you and appreciate everything you're doing , ryan . I believe wholeheartedly in the incredible potency and power of work and the message that you're doing , and I'm grateful that you're out there sharing it , brother .

And you know , guys , I'll say once again , just like JR said earlier in the conversation right , reach out to him , make a connection , have a conversation with him , right , it's all well and good to listen to the show and I'm grateful you guys do beyond all measure and at the same time , this show is not going to get you to know JR , like reaching out to JR

and talking with him , right ? So I really , you know , invite you all . If you're someone who is looking for any support in this space , but especially , like he was saying at the end , if you have a farm or you're looking to run workshops or these kind of things , invite him out , invite them out . Invite me out too . Hell , I'll come out too .

We'll have some fun . You know , jr is someone , like I said before , that I'm so grateful to have in my life and I'm so grateful to be able to share with all of you .

And I want you guys to know that , wherever you are in the world , whatever you're doing , I hope you're having the best day possible and , as always , I hope the source is with you on this beautiful day . Till next time , journey well , peace .