Ep 191: From Wall Street To Psychedelics, Spirituality & More (feat. Jason Pickard)

Every once in a while in my life I meet someone who , as soon as I meet , I wonder how in the hell I ever lived my life without them in it .

Typically , these people are people that I feel an instant connection with and who , along with many other facets , really spark my curiosity , my inspiration and my spiritual buttons in ways which open me up to new possibilities in life . Today's guest on the show fits that bill to a tee and is a returning guest to the show .

From an extensive background on the top of his class on Wall Street to realizing just how out of alignment he was in that role , to then leaving everything he knew behind to usher in the next level of his evolution as a holistic health and spiritual coach who has trained with some of the world's best mentors and teachers in those realms , it's safe to say that

he's gained a lot of wisdom as a result of the life he has lived . In today's episode we went completely with the flow and had an incredible conversation to span many topics , and our ultimate intention was to allow spirit to guide us wherever it wanted us to go .

So get your curiosity caps ready and help me as I welcome my dear brother , jason Picard , back onto the show . Jason Picard , my man , we're back at it again . The last time we did this we were in your maloca , at your personal house . It was epic . I don't know if anything can top that . Well , we're going to try today .

We're going to try , and , as I said in the intro to everyone listening in , you know Jason's such a good buddy of mine I got connected to through Paul Check . You guys have probably heard him on my show before and any chance we have the opportunity to dive back in , I take that opportunity .

You know there's almost no one in the world that I can dialogue with in a way where we just let the divine take it wherever it's going to take it . And so you know again , that's the whole point of today's episode .

We have no idea where this is going to go , what's going to come out , and that's the perfect , perfect juxtaposition to be in for a really solid dialoguing sesh . So how are you doing today , jason ? Amazing ?

I mean I have a certain direction of what we can go in today , but you know , I actually like the less planning when it comes to conversating , because true conversation is off the cuff , it is dialogue , right ?

I mean , you know , you look at Paul , for instance , right , like when you go to a workshop with Paul , he doesn't , he doesn't go over any of that beforehand , he's just shooting from the hip for 10 hours plus at a time and the stuff that comes out is pure magic . So it's really cool .

possibly see , even if we sat here and tried to figure it out , is 98% of the information . So , while a little bit of that left brain is important the 2% of a little bit of preparation , it's almost naive to think that we could actually plan and do a better job than opening ourselves up to the unknown right and just think about it logically .

You know , when you're driving your car , you can control about how fast you go . Right , if it's 55 , you can control if you're going 54 , 62 . But after that , if you go over the speed limit , you can't control if you're going to get pulled over . You don't know if there's a cop waiting around the bend when you pull around it that you can't see .

And then , if there is a cop there , you don't know if he or she's going to pull you over . And then if he or she's going to pull you over . You don't know if you're going to get a ticket . Then , if you get a ticket and you decide to go to court , you don't know what the judge is going to do .

So while we can plan , while there is a little bit of a roadmap and we can sort of choose which way we go , we ultimately have to realize in life that there is so much more that we can't plan .

And the reality is is like not only is it true , but when we open up to the mystery and realize there's more for us in not planning , we can access something deeper , and that's what I'm hoping that we're getting into today , and I think that's why it's actually intelligent in some ways to plan and not to plan .

And that was something that came through as an idea , you know , during a cannabis ceremony , I think , last year . I probably mentioned on the show before , but that kind of whole idea of like , if you were someone who celebrated Christmas or insert holiday here , birthday here , whatever what was the best part of that holiday ? Was it opening the gifts ?

Was it playing with them ? I think neither .

I think it was actually coming downstairs , right , let's say , on Christmas morning , knowing there were gifts under the tree with your name on them but not yet knowing what was in those gifts , and resting in that Goldilocks zone of knowing there was a mystery to be solved but not having the mystery solved yet , but knowing you can solve it .

You know like being able to rest in that area .

You know that's my ultimate intention for life these days is can I be centered enough to know that there are great things coming , or just things coming right , and also be okay with where I'm at right now , because I think a lot of the time at least for me and , I imagine , for people listening to you know I would look forward for my happiness .

Oh , when I have this , then I'll be happy . And we know that's a huge thirst trap , because when you get the thing you'll , there'll be a next thing , right . And so realizing , like , okay , it's all well and good to look forward to the future of , like , oh , I'm really excited for good things to come , I'm really excited to open my Christmas presents .

But can I be happy sitting on the couch right now with my dad waiting for my mom to get up so we can open my gifts ? Right , which is my personal story of Christmas . You know , every year it was waiting for my mom to get up so we can open presents , because she sleeps really late , you know .

So you know again , if we can rest ourselves in that area , I think that's where truly the magic at least as I've found comes alive in life .

And so the reality is is that , you know , happy moments are in some ways lucky , in that , in some ways , sometimes we can be happy and then we know , based on polarity , being in this world , this earth that we live in , that if there's happiness there must be sadness .

So are we supposed to feel good only half of the time , knowing that half of the moments will be happy and half the moments will be sad , based on the law of polarity ? Or is there something deeper ? And what I think is deeper is what they call shanti in yoga . You ever heard om shanti , shanti , shanti . What does shanti mean ? Shanti means equilibrium .

Shanti is when the right hand and the left hand come together and you find that kind of like peace , but even deeper than peace contentment , equilibrium , equipoise . And what's interesting about that is that that's a state that actually can transcend both happiness and sadness .

So we realize in a life that we appreciate the happy moments , but then , even in the sad moments , we can find contentment , knowing that these painful moments , these sad moments , are ultimately the ones that bring us the most joy later down the road .

If we look back at our life , the things that helped us grow the most , the things that helped us become who we are , are actually more likely to be the challenges and the painful moments . So how do we be content ? How do we be equipoise ? How do we be shanti or at peace in whatever comes our way ?

And to me , that is really the definition of being a yogi and that's the definition of being abundant . Is that , no matter what happens in my life , I know this is leading me to a bigger purpose , and a lot of that is opening to the mystery that you're speaking of .

The mystery is so fascinating because when we open up to the mystery , we realize that there's more unknown than there is known , and that's cool and that actually brings imagination and creativity and lets us use our intuition , and it lets us use our curiosity , and our curiosity then becomes our cure . When we're curious , we can access more information .

We can be curious about a partner that gives us empathy , that gives us compassion , we can be curious about a business solution that gives us new ways of thinking of things , and the whole thing is based on curiosity . Think about a child . What does a child love ? To play Hide and go seek .

Oh , when you play hide and go seek with your life , when you realize that God's favorite game is hide and go seek , everywhere you look , there's the divine hiding and it's you seeking . And it's the divine hiding and it's you seeking right . And it's the same thing . If I hold my hand open like this , you're like all right , that's just an open hand .

But as soon as I close my hand , you're like oh , what's inside that ? What's inside that ? I want to know what's inside that . Well , what if you realize that all of life is like that closed hand and it has an opportunity for you to be curious about what's inside ? And when you open to that , you find that shanty in whatever you do .

In my experience , yeah , dude , 100% .

Now , as a kid I used to play that all the time . Right , you'd hide something in the room like a I don't know a vaporizer , right , that wouldn't be what you hit at six years old . Let's just go with it . So you hide a vaporizer , let's say , and then your buddy comes in and tries to find it and has no idea where it might be .

But you know , based on where he or she is going , you'll tell them they're getting warmer or colder . And I really think that's what life truly is . You know , and I think that's why we hear like . You know , why do we hear laughter is the best medicine , right ? Why do we hear all these things about kids reminding us of God , right , like ?

All these things are speaking to something , and I don't pretend to know the answer , but an answer that I've found for that is that life can be played , right , but , like , if you really look at a child , they're not rummaging to go find healing , they're just simply existing .

And when the challenging emotion arises , they usually haven't learned yet , if they're below six years old , that certain emotions are desirable and undesirable . So they don't know to block it , they just let it happen . And then they go back to their innate state of being as joy .

And then you know , at the same time , you know they're able to play and have fun , which I think a lot of adults forget as we get older . You know , one of my favorite things to do at retreats .

We were just talking about your upcoming retreat and you know one of my favorite things to do at retreats , especially for men , you know , because I think a lot of times when men come to a retreat , you know when they think about healing and all of this stuff , it gets very , it can get very heavy , you know , can get very serious , and you know I'm not here

to say that's good or bad , but what I found is that it makes it very challenging to heal because you're almost like you're on the defense , you're like , all right , something hard is about to happen .

You know , like let me heal through this Versus , like what would happen if you give 20 guys Nerf guns and you connect with a little bit of cannabis beforehand and you have them running around like little kids laughing so hard , harder than they've laughed in years , and then potentially they just feel amazing after .

Potentially that laughter leads to a cry , right , or leads to some other type of emotion popping up .

You know , for me , like I really think that when you focus on playing , all the rest will become clear to you , because even kids , right , they'll be playing and then all of a sudden someone takes something from them and they get , they have their emotional release yeah so , like you know , a big download I've gotten .

Like where am I being overly serious in my life when it comes to just , let's say , healing , for sake of example , and where can I play more and , as a result , open up more to that infinite mystery that you're speaking of so eloquently ?

You know , being able to open up like I don't know what's going to happen when I go play and that's the best part of it , because I think , as adults , like there are parts of our lives that do need to be structured right , like if you know Kara is going to go drop the kids off and she's going to talk to you about , you know , when you're going to pick

them up . You can't just be like I don't know sometime you know there needs to be some structure there . Right , when you're on calls for your clients . You can't be like I'll show up around one , you know there's got to be some . We have to off put that with something that can equalize that equation , and for me , that answer is play .

The mind will tell you warmer or colder and usually puts you more towards that structure and more towards accomplishment , but the heart will lead you towards what's more nourishing to your soul and to your true essence . So you know that's a really hard journey we have to take from our head to our heart .

We've all heard the kind of the phrase the longest journey we'll ever take is the 12 inches from her head to her heart . But it's very true . I think you can probably agree with that that . You know , following the wisdom of the heart is very difficult , but when we can really open up to the heart , it can be our guide for warmer or colder .

Now , with regards to play , I totally , totally agree with you a hundred percent . You know , and you know , the whole idea of the child is so genius and we forget that even as adults . We need to transcend but also include what we did along the way .

And so , if you follow the archetypal kind of methodology of the tarot , you start off with the fool at card zero , you go to the magician one , the priestess , two and so forth , all the way to 21 , the world . Well , what happens at 21 ? After 21 , you go back to zero again . So we go through our life .

We're born , we're a zero , we move up to a one , we start being able to ask for things or say no , and then all of a sudden we move into polarities and we learn about mommy and daddy and we learn about all these different things . As we go along the way , we get to 21 years old .

We typically in a kind of a mainstream world , graduate college , and then what ? We're zero again . We're out in the world . We're the bottom man or woman in the totem pole . We don't know a thing , we're completely green , we're out . Now we're trying to take care of ourself in the world . We're barely getting by .

And we start , we kind of go through 22 , 23 , 24 .

We start earning our way up , we start to say we have this figured out , and then we get to 44 , which I just turned and then we're back to zero and what typically happens is we have a midlife crisis , when we act like a child again , we start buying toys , we want our new , you know sports car and you know , the new shiny little object that we wanted when

we were a kid . Then we go to 66 and at this point , you know , and all of these have healthy versions of them but at 66 , we're supposed to now be an elder that has the wisdom of an adult but has the laughter and the smile and the understanding and the play of a child . And then we get to 88 and we're literally like children Again .

A lot of us need to be taken care of and maybe even have our diapers changed if we don't take care of our bodies and we're still alive at that point . So the whole point is that as we go through these stages , we collect wisdom along the way , but we never forget to have the heart and the playfulness and the curiosity of the child .

So then , at 44 , we don't have to have a midlife crisis because we've been playing along the way and now we have the wisdom of an adult .

We get to 66 and now we could become an elder , but we're the elder that has that big smile on their face , the laughing Buddha that has seen a lot of life and has lived a lot of life and is very content , but is still childlike . So that childlike nature is so important .

The thing , though , that makes it even more practical is that actually play is one of the great practices for flow states , because the interesting thing about flow states is that when you naturally do them in play , they have an afterglow . It's like doing the medicine ceremony that it lasts for like 24 , 48 hours after .

But the interesting thing is , if you just go do something that you completely love , like right before this call , if you went and played the guitar or went for a run , or played the drums , like I like to do , or painted or did anything , anything that you just love to do that you naturally are called to .

You realize , when you do those things , you lose sense of time , you lose sense of space . You lose sense of space , you completely , like , almost get taken over and you're just lost in the event .

Well , that's what is a flow state , but the more that you can do that by playing and practicing , you're building the reps to understand what it feels like to be in a flow state .

So then , when you go back to , let's say , even your work , that now carries over and then you're in a flow state in your work and that has a lot of scientifically proven benefits like improved memory , improved creativity , improved intuition , better health , better recall of patterns and many other things that you know are well documented .

I think for a long time I looked at systems like that and I'm like , oh , cool , tarot cards , sweet , you know , I'll do my daily poll and awesome , right . But there's a whole system there meant to really illuminate for us what we've forgotten , right , and allow us to remember .

And I've also said that , you know , life is just a big series of remembering and forgetting , and so it's really amazing to have these types of systems there to be able to remind us of what we've forgotten about . And one of the things that , you know , I've been really big on too I don't know if it bounced off you is I recently read this book .

I've talked about it probably in like seven podcasts already , but it's called Disappearance of the Universe . Have you ever read that book before ? No , it's a great book , man .

It's all based on A Course in Miracles and it's this guy , gary Renard , and talk about like the exact depiction of what we're talking about here , like a very deep spiritual book , but it has so much wise guy back and forth in it , so much laughter , so much joking , so much hilarity .

You know it's such an easy book to read because of that , especially for most people . Like you know , if you try to read a lot of spiritual texts they can be really dense and things like that .

But you know , one of the things they talk about in there is the whole idea that this whole world is a conspiracy theory , and what they mean by that is that the ego is conspiring with all of us . It's just one being , but it looks like there's a lot of us to allow us to get further and further away from god .

And the way it does that is by making us believe the dream is real and so like , when you think about it in that way , you know the idea like wow in a way , if we choose to believe that we all kind of have dementia in a way , right where we'll have these like , say , medicine experiences or meditations or retreats where we remember the bigger picture and

we're like , oh , my goodness , how could I have ever gotten so upset over XYZ event that happened ? Look what beauty it led to . Everything is contextualized and able to be seen as perfect , you know , independent of whether or not you originally judged it as good or bad or duality or whatever .

And so , at the end of the day , right like , the more that we can remind ourselves of that and remind each other , the more that we're able to get out of that kind of like dementia , in a way , right of thinking that like the body's real , the ego's real , all these people out there that are cutting me off in traffic , they're real .

All this stuff is like the ego's big game to conspire against us . Getting back to God , you know , and so like , when the book opened that idea I was like dude , I got to share that with Jason .

Spirare means to breathe , and con is with means to breathe and cone is with to breathe together . And so this whole conspiracy that you're pointing to is that we are all here breathing together as one , even though there's an illusion of separation .

But this illusion of separation and conditions is absolutely essential , because the only way for unconditional love , the only way for the divine , the wholeness , to know itself and to grow and to evolve is to have the illusion of separateness . And so we don't want to throw away that separateness .

We don't want to say it's all one man and just throw away our own individuality and our responsibility , because it's one of these multi-phase logic where it's yes and yes , it is one and yes , there is individual .

But this whole idea of conditions , this whole idea of good and evil , this whole idea of differences is absolutely essential so that we can relate to ourself and know we can ultimately come to remember that we are one , but the only way to remember that we're one is to first know or think that we're not one .

It reminds me of this famous kind of biblical story of the prodigal son . So there's I don't know if you've heard this story . It's sometimes kind of relayed by Jesus as a mystical story or also kind of symbolic , of Cain and Abel in the Bible .

And you know , there's this great story of two sons and a father and they're working the land , where they're working really hard , and there's the eldest son and then there's the second son and the eldest son does everything .

The father says he follows the family's religion , he does everything by the book , he's going to take over the family business , he's ultimately going to be the patriarch . And the second son says I don't want to have anything to do with this . Dad , can I have my inheritance early ? I want to take the inheritance and I want to go off and live my own .

So the dad complies . He gives him the money . The son goes off to the city . He spends all the money , like on gambling and drinking and prostitutes , blows it all . It's completely broke right .

Winds up working at a pig farm and as he's there tending to the pigs , he actually becomes jealous of the pigs because he realizes that the pigs actually have it better than him . They have a better meal than him and they're getting taken care of and he's not getting fed very well because he blew all of his money and nobody's taking care of him .

So he's like , oh shit , I you know , I better go home to my dad . So he puts his tail between his legs and he's going back home to the family and he thinks he's going to get completely reamed out . And as his father sees him from across the field , his father throws his hands up in the air and it's like my son is home .

And he yells to his workers go and find the fattest goat and slaughter the goat . We're going to have an epic feast . So the older sons here looking at it and says , like dad , like what the hell ? Like I've been here this whole time busting my ass . You know , he ran off and he spent all the money .

And he says , yes , my son was lost , but now he's home , now he's found . And so what is that really saying ? It's like for us to just grow up and do everything by the book to live in our parents' religion without questioning it , to live in the mainstream without questioning it .

That's actually not as rewarding as the conditions that are set up to forget to go out into the world to spend our money , to make mistakes , but to find our own way .

And if we find our own way and then we come back home , come back to the one that's when God is celebrating because we're there on our own volition , using our own free will , and not doing it based out of belief or base of fear or because we think that's the only way .

for sake of conversation . But you know , god's up there doing his thing and the son of god has this thought like what if there was something else other than god ? And in that moment this reality is created . Right , and you know , deep in the unconscious of all these separate beings , right , right , separate beings here , me , you , etc . That are all one being .

But playing out this , this dream of separation , deep in our subconscious or unconscious , we have this feeling of like , oh my God , our dad kind of hates us , right , just like in that story . Right , the guy was like man , my family's not going to accept me back . Right , like what am I going to do ? But what does he see when he comes back ?

His dad's like dude , I'm ready for you , bro , I knew all that Like , I knew what you had to go do and I was fine with it . I never had any , like you know , inkling of hatred towards you or distaste or anything like that , and I think that's really a microcosm of the macrocosm journey we're going on right .

I think for me anyway , and I imagine for you , it's pretty similar . You know , for me , when I was growing up , I didn't resonate with the idea of religion . My parents didn't push it on me . I always knew that God was real in some sense , like , like deep in my core I was a goth kid , right .

So if I was going to be an atheist , you know , my time had passed right when , even when I was a goth kid , right , like I knew it wasn't cool to say you believe in God , but I would never say I was an atheist , I would say I was agnostic , you know .

And I remember thinking about that when I was a kid and wondering , like I wonder why I feel like that ? Because I was really bullish , to use a crypto term on like no , I know that some amount of God is real , but I don't think it's what the churches are saying and I didn't have a lot of experience in reading the books or anything .

It was just an intuitive feeling .

I'm appreciating those initiations and I'm appreciating a lot more of those stories , but I'm kind of doing it on my own terms . You know the things that I didn't resonate with you , my own terms . You know the things that I didn't resonate with you know , growing up , jewish and going to temple is that ? Why aren't people smiling ? Why aren't people dancing ?

Why aren't people laughing ? Why isn't there more beautiful art and why isn't there more , you know , just overall joy ? And so I left to find that and ultimately I did , and now I find that I can actually bring it back to those lineages and understand it on a deeper , mystical level , and understand the parts of it and how they resonate to me and bring that .

That's what I found being on my own journey and spending my inheritance , so to speak , out there in the world , and now I can come home and celebrate it , that I found it . You know , I found my own inner elixir and I found my own way and now bring it back and share it .

So I think that's a normal phase is , you know , there's a part of separation on the hero's journey and rejection that we must go through because that's part of the individuation process . But ultimately on the hero's journey the hero comes back home . But they come back home when they find out new information . They find out themselves .

They find that inner elixir or the sword in the stone . Then they come back to share it and to elevate the original group that they left .

I imagine you'll agree with this . When I was a kid and I saw religion , you know , my unconscious belief was like that should make me happy and that doesn't really look like it's going to make me happy .

What I didn't understand at that point and I'm not saying the church has this right or wrong or whatever , but what I didn't understand as an individual at that point is that my happiness can't be focused on out there , it has to be from in here .

And so a lot of like what I've discovered on my time of going out and you know , spending my inheritance or whatever is how to find happiness within . And spending my inheritance or whatever is how to find happiness within .

And now that I found that I can realize what people love about religion , regardless of what religion it is , whether it's Islam , christianity , judaism , the flying spaghetti monster , whatever it is right . It doesn't really matter , as long as that's making you feel warmer to what who knows .

Really , we could say oneness , we could say God , but I don't really care to know what that answer is .

You know , honestly , because that's what keeps the mystery going , like I think that if we choose to believe we're infinite beings and we've been there wherever there is forever right for eternity , then why are we so excited to get back there when we have , like , this moment in time down here of playing out this illusion in which we're separate beings , in which we

have a finite ? You know , birth and death and all these things you know .

Yeah , life can be challenging , of course , but at the end of the day , when you start remembering through whatever you know way you get to remember is like when you start remembering , you start to actually have fun with this process , and the analogy that comes to me is kind of like this right , so you're a dad .

I'm not , but I can imagine anyway , you know that , like if your child comes out and they're about four years old and they're like Dad , there's a boogeyman under the bed , right ? There's two ways you can handle that as an adult . You can do it the wrong way or the right way . Right , I'm going to bring duality into it .

The wrong way is to get short with your kid and be like dude , there's no fucking boogeyman under there , right , they don't fucking exist , right ? The right way , on the other hand , is to actually play that out with the child right Now .

In the first way , when you just tell them like , shut up , you're wrong , you're not really allowing them to individuate in that way . Right , you're kind of like pushing your reality on them . But when you actually play it out , like , okay , you said he's under a bed , where is he ?

All , right , I'm going to show you there's nothing under there , right , you allow that child to have their natural process . Right , and like , how many times throughout life do we think there's a metaphorical boogeyman , right ? Whether it's the tax man , whether it's China or Russia or whatever , right ? Like we're all dealing with our own individual boogeyman .

And I think a lot of times what happens is we try to just like shut up , it's not real , right , real right . But at the same time , like we get to go through that process and figure it out , because as we start to figure out what the boogeyman are and that we don't need to be afraid of them .

You know , whatever that boogeyman is , or whoever they are , you know there's a process of not only individual I guess you could call it individuation but within the individuation there's a process of gaining more self confidence , more self esteem , more faith that , even if the boogeyman gets you , you're going to be okay , right .

And so it's interesting how this , like these analogies , can really speak to so many different aspects of life , especially when it comes to childhood .

Because I've heard so many , so many stories of kids that have , like , incredible abilities to see things and have special powers , and the parents come in and they squash them and unfortunately that's creates a crisis later in life when you repress that ability .

You know , so many kids have the abilities to , like you know , remember past lives and to bend spoons and to do all sorts of interesting things that we think is , like you know , not possible when we get into our adult brain and most of us are told along the way by society that that's not like okay . So we kind of limit those abilities and suppress them .

But the interesting thing about the boogeyman that came up for me is , like you know , the kids are so much more perceptive than we are and , especially as a young kid , you know , for all I know , we should take it very seriously , get out a bundle of sage and save under the bed or say a blessing or a prayer for the boogeyman , because they may be perceiving

something that actually we can't perceive . There may be actually some truth to it . But the interesting thing , on a psychological perspective of the boogeyman that you were alluding to , is that how do we make our boogeyman our ally you were alluding to ? Is that , like , how do we make our boogeyman our ally ?

Because whatever we're afraid of is actually , or whatever disturbs us , is actually some kind of projection of our subconscious that we need to take a look at . If we're against Kamala Harris or we're against Trump or Putin or any of these figures , we have to really take a deep look about what actually is it that disturbs us about them .

Where are we sort of like them , even in a 1% dose ? Can we find a way that we're a little bit Kamala-like or a little bit Trump-like ? And the tricky one is actually this kind of energy that they're portraying that's disturbing us . Maybe it's like a self-centeredness , we could say , or a power that we don't like .

Where do we need a little bit more of that ? Where do we need to be self-centered a little bit more ? Maybe we're giving all of our energy away to our work or to our family or something . We need a little bit more time for ourselves .

So when we look at the boogeyman as an , actually like a shadow ally , an ally towards homeless , where we could say , oh , this thing that we're afraid of , this is actually the medicine that we need , if we can just stop and take a look at it , realizing that everything in the outside world , especially things that we're afraid of or that piss us off or disturb

us , or our projection of equality inside of ourselves that we haven't come to grips with , and in that way the boogeyman could be our spiritual teacher that brings us to wholeness .

Sorry , spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen star wars , but you know again like enough time has gone by . Time is fast , all right , we're making that judgment call , but again , like luke had to discover the parts of him that were very similar to darth vader for him to actually beat him .

Because you know again , and you know in in life this usually won't end up an actual physical altercation , like with Kamala or Trump or whatever , but like in order to defeat Darth Vader , which is in order to find peace amongst Trump or Kamala and all the circus show that's going on .

We get to figure out what information they have for us that can help us heal that unconscious part of ourselves that is triggered by them .

And again , like , if we think about oneness as the goal right , I'm going to use it in quotations because it could easily not be the goal for some people , but for me , oneness or , you know , getting closer to God , is always my goal , and so , in the scope of that , we must get rid of distortions right , or move through distortions , transmute them , transcend

them , whatever language you want to use there . But any of those distortions like . A perfect example of a distortion is when you look out there and you go that person's to blame . I don't like what they're doing Instead of going .

Also , what about me is like that and why am I putting the focus out there and how can I put the focus more on here , right and me and this is like this is the real work , right here . I mean , this is fucking challenging work .

You know , it's funny when you read like a course of miracles and they're like there's only one thing you got to do , just forgiveness . And you're like , oh forgiveness , no meditating , no breath work , no , anything . Piece of cake , right ?

and then you realize 100 agree , I 100 agree and , like you , realize that there are infinite opportunities every day to forgive and it's also , in my opinion , anyway , the hardest work I've done realizing like actually put , like doing what we're doing right now , like when I get triggered over something I see in the circus show , actually wondering like where is that

at me ? What do I need to forgive him myself ? Oh , dude , does that sting , but it's real good stuff .

He says the government reflects the people , meaning our elected officials , or even the ones that are not elected , you know , that are just kind of put in place , are a reflection of us . They reflect us .

They're either people that we voted for , or that half of the country voted for , or by giving up our own authority and agency to make better choices and to reclaim our power , we have allowed these people to be in charge .

And so who's ever on the stage , whoever has the microphone , is in some way maybe even just 1% , but is in some way a reflection of us and an opportunity to be a big mirror for our own internal work . It really is true . And the thing about forgiveness is so important .

You know , I was teaching my students recently and I you know they all want to know , like , what's the best mantra , what's the best thing I can do to raise my vibration , and I broke it down to three things that I learned from my very good buddy , uh Yohuma , an amazing medicine man and friend , and essentially the number one mantra I give them is thank you .

Like I've learned like 30 or 40 different , maybe 100 different , you know , yogic mantras and at the end of the day , the one that is actually the most important , the most valuable , is just saying thank you , thank you , thank you , thank you to the boogeyman , thank you to myself , thank you to my partner , thank you to the boogeyman , thank you to myself , thank

you to my partner , thank you to my enemy for showing me what my triggers are , for showing me where I need to grow , thank you to the teacher , thank you to the anti-teacher , the one who shows me through the negative path . And the ultimate spiritual act you can do is forgiveness . And the most important person we need to forgive is ourselves .

We cannot forgive somebody else until we forgive ourselves . Why is forgiveness so important ? Because if we don't forgive ourselves , we're living in the past and we're looping over and over again .

So , in order to move into the present moment , to be able to move towards mastery , or excellence in action , as Dr Kareem says , or the limits of perfection in our own life , we must forgive . We forgive ourselves and then forgive others , and how do we know when we've actually forgave somebody or forgived ourselves ? We experience gratitude .

We experience gratitude and forgiveness begins with thoughts I forgive , I forgive , I forgive , I forgive you . But you know that only takes so far Thinking in our head . I forgive ourselves , and then we have to actually say the words out loud Ryan , I forgive you . But then we actually have to show up in actions .

Where we show up in the moment , as if you're a completely new person , as if I've never met you and given you a complete opportunity to be a different human being right now , and the same for ourselves . So it's divine thoughts , divine words and divine actions , and so it's gratitude and forgiveness , and those are really the core .

You could take the Course in Miracles , which is an amazing book . You could take any of these spiritual books or any of these scriptures and you can throw them in the trash if you just remember to practice gratitude , forgiveness , maybe an optimistic outlook on life , protecting your body , protecting your loved ones and protecting the earth .

Some of the most spiritual acts I've done myself in the last six to 12 months is having a practice of picking up trash . It sounds like you know , not very like you know , super like mystical , like you know , like medicine , ceremonies and scriptures and meditations and altered states .

And you know , you got a float tank downstairs and you have all these things , literally going outside and picking up trash . The experience that I get internally and what I see happen in my life when I pick up a piece of trash that wasn't mine is so magnificent . Hmm , the laws of nature are inherently abundant .

The laws of nature inherently have life force in them and when you protect nature , you become in alignment with that life force and you become a living vessel of life force . You become a living vessel of abundance . These are the really simple principles gratitude , forgiveness , protecting your body , protecting Mother Earth and protecting loved ones .

I mean , it's literally that simple and that's really what I'm working on right now . Every single day , I have an opportunity for forgiveness . You know , kara comes into the room and says something that I take personally . Can I forgive myself ? Can I forgive her ?

Can I be grateful that this criticism of me that hurt or triggered me is actually bringing me to be a better human being , and can I do what I can to take care of myself , my family and the planet every single day , even when it's not my responsibility , which is sometimes the hardest , knowing that it's all of our responsibility because we are one .

And the last thing I'll say is a very interesting thing of this goal of oneness is that the place we're on that with that is that it's a yes . And For me it's simultaneously experiencing the maximum amount of oneness while also experiencing the maximum amount of my own personal individuality . How do I hold both of those at the same time ?

How do I hold the oneness that we're all one ? We're breathing the same air , we're drinking the same water , we have access to the same food , we're living on the same precious blue pearl that's flying through space at unimaginable speeds and at the same time , realize that I am a unique person ? There's one fingerprint , there's one snowflake .

You know that there's never been another chance to know me . And how do I live that ? To the limits of perfection , at the same time holding up all the principles of good , true and beautiful in oneness . And that is my life's path , and I think you know it probably took a million lifetimes to get to this point . I don't know how many more it'll take .

Hopefully not that many . You know . The thing that you were saying is so fascinating ? Because I do think when we say we're spiritual , is that what we're really pointing to ? Is that we come from somewhere else . We're here , visiting on an epic journey of growth and discovery , but ultimately our home might be somewhere else .

But the point is not to just stay here and get lost and the point is not to just run home like it's that easy and because who knows what even happens when you get back there . Maybe you have to start over again for all we know . The point is , how do I live with one foot in there and one foot here ?

How do I stay connected to the spiritual while also connected to the earthly ? How do I have one hand in Lucifer and one hand in Aramon at the same time ? And when you achieve that , that's the middle way and that's the Christ principle . Achieve that , that's the middle way and that's the Christ principle , and that's what Christ was awarded .

He was not born , jesus Christ . Christ was given to him as a title for the one who could hold the balance between the earthly and the spiritual plane . And that Christ means the same thing that Krishna means in Hindu means the most charismatic , the most beautiful , the most attractive force , the thing that pulls everything into itself like a black hole .

The same as Buddha . The most attractive force , the thing that pulls everything into itself like a black hole , the same as Buddha .

So if it's Buddha consciousness , krishna consciousness , christ consciousness , it means being able to hold the oneness while also holding the individuality , while being able to hold the fullness of the spirituality , while living all of those divine attributes to the limits of perfection in this earthly plane .

Right Like a lot of what I talk about is obviously with cannabis , but this whole idea of like is something good or bad , I don't know . It's not that simple , right Like . It feels a lot simpler to just say , yes , I'm never going to do it again . Right , but that also makes all of this feel more real .

Right , if you can never go near alcohol again , if you can never go near these things , first of all , I mean , we won't even talk about the fact that if you can't go near them , you didn't heal whatever brought you to them in the first place , because if you really healed it , you'd be completely fine with it .

Right , like you wouldn't necessarily need to go do it . But you wouldn't need to necessarily do it . You know every day , right like there would be that balance point and I think that's like the ultimate guiding principle of my life is maybe right , it's like the taoist farmer . You know like , oh , are you really screwed now or are you really lucky ?

I don't know . And I'm okay staying right in the middle . Right , because if I'm right in the middle , then number one I'm going to be . I'm going to get to be surprised either option .

But I'm also not too attached to one and I'm not too attached to the other , and I think that's a lot of what I see in the spiritual realm these days and I fell into myself for a little while .

It's like I was mentioning before right , like trying to live as if you're back home , wherever home is , or destination , whatever you want to call it right now , where it's like , no , you're having an experience right now , like be in that experience . You know it's great to remember like , oh , I got a house I can go back to .

But also like these woods I'm exploring right now are really cool and maybe there's some lakes I haven't found before or some animals that I've never seen before that I'm going to go see . And kids get this right . Like you know , if you ask a kid like , hey , why do you want to go outside ? You know you already saw that yard .

He's like , yeah , but I didn't see it today . You know , like , kids get that whole idea of balance , I think , as we get older . You know , it's not that undoubtedly this is going to happen , but it all too often happens . And what happened with me is like , well , I've been out there before , I've seen a sunny day before .

You know , we kind of start like lowering our ability to experience because we think we've already got it figured out , you know , and I think that , like that's kind of like what people do with spirituality and also being human , right ?

They kind of go on , let's just say either side , right , instead of being able to realize that you can have a yes and here and you know what , the fact that people do that is also great , right ? Maybe that's where they're at in their individuation journey right now .

Maybe that's exactly what their soul needs to learn in this lifetime to be able to come back and learn something else in the next lifetime . Maybe for them , that is what's best for them I have no idea right . And time , maybe for them , that is what's best for them . I have no idea right .

And being able to realize that and humble yourself and know , like I don't know what the best answer is for anyone , I mean , you're a coach , I'm a coach , right ?

Like one of the cardinal sins of coaching is thinking you know the answers for your clients , when in reality , the job of a good coach is to realize they already have all the answers within them and I'm never going to be able to know the answers better than they can .

But what I can do is ask them what is important to them and hold them accountable to that , and if things come up , I can talk to them and ask them questions about it so they can undoubtedly realize their own truth and go oh , my goodness , this is now what matters to me . And you're like okay , that's what matters . What would you like to have that done ?

By ? What would that look like ? Right , and so , like you know , again , no matter where we're at in life , I think that's where , that's what all of these things are meant to be , whether it be tarot books , retreats , whatever they're meant to remind us of both of those truths , like , yes , you can have oneness and yes , you're also human .

And the beautiful part is being right in between , you know , because , again , I don't remember what it's like to be fully back there , but I can imagine , you know , based on what Sager attacks say , oneness , I imagine , might get boring after a while .

Right , and I think that when I look at you know , humanity and everyone , all these you know separate beings that are seeming to be here . You know , there was a idea that came to me on an LSD ceremony one time I don't know if I've ever shared this with you before , but I thought it was hilarious which is the whole idea of ethereal extreme sporting .

Which thought it was hilarious , which is the whole idea of ethereal extreme sporting , which is the whole idea that imagine if you're in oneness and you start to maybe get bored , right , like that original thought of like what if there's something else than god ? Right , we're like , well , what if you know ? What if there's something else than just oneness ?

Right , and then maybe separate beings are coming back and they're being like whoa , dude , I just tried a microdose of that , you know , and it's pretty wild , you know , and maybe the microdose is like they come down as an ant or a fly , you know .

And so , like you know , you're like I'm just gonna say no , I'm just saying no , right , and they start coming back and they keep telling you more things . You're like all right , I'll take a microdose , I'll go down as a fly .

You go down there and you experience duality and all this shit and you come back and you're like , whoa , dude , that was fucking crazy , right ? Well , how often are you going to be able to microdose before you want the next level , you know ?

And so , like you're going to keep tiptoeing a little bit more , maybe I'll go down and be a tortoise , I'll be down there for a hot minute , but I'm just going to be kind of chilling in a very meditative state . Well , at the time in which you're ready , oneness .

But yes , we're here right now , seeming to be here , we have all these emotions , we have all this stuff going on . I mean , talk about the most challenging psychedelic experience there possibly is just being a human , just in and of itself .

And so I loved that theory that came to me , that idea , because for me it created a lot of laughter within me to think about . You know , the experience of life being the psychedelic , and that's something I talk about often in the show . But I don't know if I've ever told the actual theory of ethereal extreme sporting whole hypothesis .

I have , but I'm curious what you think about that man if any thoughts come to your mind .

It's non-dual and dual , and so there's duality and non-duality , and doita is dual and ad-doita is non-dual . I think I had them backwards . But we have emptiness , we have doita and adoita , non-dual and dual , and then at some point we can reconcile that it is non-dual , dual , empty and full all at the same time . And so you know a lot of these concepts .

You know , I think the trick with this stuff , Ryan , is that it's very difficult to speak about these things . You know , one of the attributes of the 99 Names of God in the Sufi Book of Life talks about , you know , when you have had a big experience let's say you had a really big psychedelic experience .

It's like being in the desert with your camel and all of a sudden you get to a place where you have to go to sleep at night and it's cold out there in the desert and you put up your tent . Then you're lying there in your tent , you're all covered up , and the camel pokes his head in and says excuse me , sir , it's really cold out here .

Do you mind if I just stick my nose in your tent and you're like , all right , no big deal , Just put your nose in ? And then 20 minutes later he wakes you up Excuse me , Do you mind if I put my whole face in ? It's really cold out here . You're like all right , no big deal , Just your face .

Next thing , you know , the entire camel is in the tent and the tent is now lifted up over the camel and you're there completely naked in the cold . And so these kinds of experiences , these kinds of understandings , are very difficult to talk about , they're very difficult to even experience .

But when you experience them , they're very difficult to put in words , which is why in Sanskrit they say that this whole realm that we're trying to speak about and articulate is actually called achintya , which is beyond the mind .

The only way to even get there is through direct experience , through , let's say , mantra , meditation , psychedelic experience , a direct experience of love , and it's not something that you could even come back and try to sloppily put in words , especially in English , it doesn't have as many words for these kinds of things where in Tibetan Buddhism , in Tibetan language ,

they have 400 different words for consciousness , just like the Eskimos have 12 different words , or 16 different words , whatever it is , for different kinds of snow .

We have snow here , but if we live in snow all year round , we'll have light snow , heavy snow , the snow that you can roll and pack , the snow that's good for chilling out the fish or whatever it is .

And so we don't really even have the language , which is why the greatest mystics have only been able to talk about this through music , art poetry , Sufi dance , art poetry , Sufi dance . It could only be shown in ways that can almost symbolically point to it , without actually saying it outright , because it's not something that can be seen .

And so , you know , in the Bhagavad Gita , Arjuna turns to Krishna Krishna is playing the divine , and Arjuna is playing this warrior and says Krishna , please tell me about karma , the divine . And Arjuna is playing this warrior and says Krishna , please tell me about karma .

And Krishna turns to him and says you know , my friend , the intricacies of karma are very difficult to explain . You know what I mean . He's saying .

Like this is so beyond , like we're sitting here talking about , like okay , we're going to be the tortoise and the hare and these kinds of things , but like , imagine the algorithm of chat GPT , how amazing that must be .

And then think about the algorithm of the mind of God that is calculating every single thing you've been in resonance every single cause and effect , no-transcript , carrying all of this in a queue managed by the planets and all the different millions and billions of people and you know , different beings and animals and plants and everything on this planet to sit here

and try to talk about . It is actually like almost silly because it's so inconceivable .

You know in my methodology that we are all very courageous for deciding to take this leap into earth , because this is the playground , this is the school , this is where you can make things happen and this is really like an amazing place to learn about all of these different things that can't happen in other places , at least as far as I know , in this universe .

And so we're all very courageous .

But I feel as if , once we take that first leap , the laws of cause and effect and karma , or resonance , according to Dr Karim are now taking over and we've sort of like started that somersault and that starts like an almost infinite journey until maybe we can transcend this place and , as the Buddhists say , we become bodhisattvas , where we can then become , have

control over our karma and then decide what times we want to come back into to help and to heal and to elevate the rest of the people . You know , but when you were talking about alcohol , you know , it made me and this whole thing of poetry and these things of beyond the mind .

It made me think of a poem by Omar Khayyam , a great Sufi poet , and I wanted to read it because I think it was very interesting about what you said . And he says this is probably from like 1200 or 11 , 1200 .

He was a Sufi polymath , really deep into astronomy and all these things , and poetry was like not even his main subject , and he writes amazing poetry . But he says if you drink no wine , then mock not those who do and lay no traps of falsehood to ensnare a few . Take no pride in turning from the wine for a hundred . Indulgences unseen are thine .

Why scorn the drinker for one simple sip when hidden pleasures pass your eager lip ? Judge not the fault of others you think you have none , For wine is but a servant to sins . You've already done . So maybe we'll leave that topic at that for people to chew on , because these kinds of things are , you know , should I drink , Should I not drink ?

What's the right amount , what's not the right amount ? You know what's good and bad , this boogeyman , all these kinds of concepts , I think could be summed up quite well in that poetry .

Now , if you forgive someone else , who you really get forgiving , you're also at the same time forgiving yourself , right . And so that's why , like , be kind , everyone's facing a battle on scene , right ? All these kind of quotes , the golden rule , all this kind of stuff . And that's where I've gotten to .

You know , you look at people like Alan Watts , for instance incredible , and also like his alcohol . You know you look at Paul , for instance incredible loves tobacco . You and I both love tobacco . I love cannabis , right , are these things good or bad ? No , whatsoever , there's no .

Like duality , to me anyway , is not actual reality , it's just the illusion that we're existing within in this level of you know reality . I guess I'll put it in quotations . So , at the end of the day , is it good or bad ? I don't know .

Is it good or bad for the individual subjectively , I'm not really sure , right , but you know , at the end of the day , I've kind of gotten to a point where I'm just like you know what I'm going to do whatever feels like it's giving me joy , true joy , because I think there is part of it you have to figure out .

I mean , I imagine for a lot of people cocaine vendors are still , you know , happy and fun . So you have to , you have to kind of discern what is real happiness , but at the same time , like you know , maybe that's what that person needs to go through in this lifetime , you know for me .

Okay , stare into the mirror for two minutes and ask the judge , you know , am I being a good father ? Okay , stare into the mirror for two minutes and ask the question Am I taking care of my body ? Am I smoking too little or too much tobacco ? Am I drinking too much alcohol ? Am I partying too much ? Am I working too much ? Am I working too little ?

Ultimately , good and bad are nothing . The reality is you need to become your own judge and you need to be brutally honest with yourself and look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself the question is this working for me ? Is this diet working for me ? Do I like the body ? I see Is ? Can I handle one drink a week ? Two drink a week ? Never .

And and be completely honest with yourself , knowing that you are the judge and you are your own truth , and accept full responsibility for what you do and decide what is good and what is bad , based on your own experience . And that's what it comes down to . Can you meet your responsibilities ? Can you show up to work on time ? Is your body healthy ?

Can you move your body and lift heavy things ? Can you play with your kids ? Do you have energy ? Are you meeting your responsibilities and lift heavy things ? Can you play with your kids ? You know , do you have energy ? Are you meeting your responsibilities ? Are you a good friend ? Are you a good son , parent , daughter , et cetera ?

And if you can say yes to those things and everything is working for you , go go for it , enjoy it . And you have an imbalance .

And if you , if you're looking at yourself honestly , you say you know what , I know I body doesn't look good , I'm waking up tired all the time , I have spots on my face , I'm really angry , I'm lashing out at people , my bills are late , I'm almost about fired from my third job , then you have to just say , okay , well , what needs to be changed ?

And you're the judge of yourself , and that's what it comes down to be changed . And you're the judge of yourself , and , and that's what it comes down to for me , is is there's really no , you know good or bad drugs . There's no good or bad foods . There's no good or bad people .

It's all comes down to what works for you , what makes you feel better , what is raising your vibration , what is giving you energy and love so that you have so much it pours out into other people and let that be the judge of all these things so that you have so much it pours out into other people , and let that be the judge of all these things .

You know , maybe it's a certain step in your journey or a certain you know , plant medicine , whatever , but at the end of the day , as long as you can smile at yourself in the mirror and feel really good about yourself , everything's gonna fall into place .

You know , and again , simple , not easy , because it does take like a degree of intuition and a lessening of needing to control and things like that , and also , you know , a lessening of taking in so much information with the idea that someone else is going to have the answers for you .

You know , that was where , a couple of years ago , I just stopped listening to podcasts , audio books and everything for a good solid , like year and a half , and just was like what happens if I don't take any information ? Who am I if I don't take any information ?

And it was a really fun experiment Because through that time I found a lot of things that really worked for me , that I would have maybe figured out otherwise , but it wouldn't have been as quick . I can confidently say that you know where it comes to . What do I want to put in my body ? How do I want to treat myself ?

How often do I want to let loose right , like as long as I can look at myself in the mirror and feel like dude , you got this man , like everything's going well . Physical energy is there , emotions feel pretty balanced , mindset feels strong , spiritual growth feels really centered and connected .

If those things line up , then I don't really care what anyone has to say about any decisions I'm making and I'm not going to make any like judgment calls or anything on what anyone else is doing . And for me there have been certain family members that you know again in my infantileness , you know , thought that they were just annoying or whatever .

But now , having grown up and having more understanding and more wisdom , I've realized , wow , these people had great lessons for me within . Because how many times was I on my health journey early on looking at what other people in my family , let's say were doing and being like , oh , you can't do that . You have to do this instead .

Oh my God , that's going to get you sick , etc . When in reality , they were trying to show me like , hey , maybe I feel like you could make better choices , but it doesn't matter what I feel , because you know what I don't know .

I don't know that Even if something works for me and it's the healthiest thing you could do , how do I know that's going to be the best thing for that person out there ?

You know , if somebody comes to you and challenges one of your beliefs in diet , in immunization , in medicine , in psychedelics , whatever , in religion , in God , in oneness , whatever it is and you feel upset about it , they're actually showing you where you have a lack of conviction and you need to go deeper into yourself to really know do I really believe this or

am I just regurgitating this ? Because if you are so solid in your faith in the divine , if you are so solid in your faith in the divine , if you are so solid in yourself and your place in the world and your purpose and the exercise , diet , spirituality , lovemaking , relationships , friendships , then it doesn't matter what anyone says .

You don't believe , you know , you have a conviction and nobody else can throw you off . And then you could just say thank you , thank you so much for that reflection , and not take it personally , right ? One of the four agreements from Don Miguel Ruiz Sr is don't take things personally , it's a very important one .

And if you do take things personally , he says Don't take things personally , it's a very important one .

And if you do take things personally , he says it's a reflection of where you lack conviction , where you have a shadow and someplace you need to work , and then you could be very grateful to them for showing you where your blind spots are and what your next piece of inner work is to work on yeah , you know A hundred percent .

But I say that often it's been coming to me a lot over the past like year and a half of just like , if you really believe something , then you shouldn't need to have anyone else believe it , right you ?

This is by no means an objective good or bad thing , because , again , good and bad is just duality . It doesn't really exist . You brought that up because I literally that's like the mantra going through my head for like a year and a half now .

I think we've talked about that probably at length , but no matter who came to me my dad , my mom is so amazing . They're amazing people . They're coming to me and saying , like you know , we really care about you , we really want you to lose weight , We'll do anything we can to support you .

It didn't matter , I couldn't do it , it wasn't even like a thought of my mind until I in myself said something's got to go . This is , this is a problem . I'm going to do this , Right ? So it doesn't matter how well intentioned you are . From my own personal experience and you know from trying to do this to other people nobody wants to hear from you .

Nobody wants to be woken up out of a dream , right ? If you're sleeping at night , it's 3 o'clock in the morning and I come and I ring your doorbell and you're in the most amazing dream .

You're like on the beach somewhere , like floating around Like you don't want to be woken up , and nobody wants to be woken up from the dream of their life , unless they're asking hey , Ryan , I see why you look so happy . You look so healthy . Man , I'm really struggling , Can you help me ?

And then you , as the person that has more experience , actually has to sit with your own heart and discern what is the right amount of information for this person . What is their readiness , their ability , their level of development , their level of evolution ? What's going to be too much for them ?

How do you say it to them in the right way that it connects them ? There's a very sophisticated way to then , how to give them what they need to help elevate them until they're ready for more . And so you know .

Ultimately , you know , if we know in ourselves our own truth , there's no reason to share it and there's no reason to be knocked off by somebody else who is challenging it . And you know , and if you do , you just oh , okay , I'm still growing , there's still opportunities for me to find a deeper conviction in myself .

And you know , when I start to try to convince you of a certain way , I have to look at myself and say , well , why am I trying to convince him , why aren't I ? Okay , just believing it on my own . And so all of life becomes this beautiful way to wake us up .

Every single dream , every single body symptom , every single encounter , every single animal , every single disturber , every single boogeyman , every single song , every dance , every piece of art , all of these things , all of these things are here to awaken us to the truth of ourselves , and so we can lean into them and find more beauty in them and rest that all of

the life's experiences we have are all leading us back home . Yes , dude .

If you guys haven't heard about that Jason's epic group that he runs I got some really good homies in there . I mean mutual homies of ours Definitely go back and listen to the other podcasts if you want a deep , deep go through and you know whole description of what the abundance archetype is . But where can people find you , man ?

Where can they reach out and connect with you and gain all of your wisdom , bro ? Where can I send people ?

It's just very refreshing and I really appreciate you , and I appreciate not only your podcast but also your Connect with Cannabis and all of your offerings . They're just really important , especially because there's not that many people out in the world who really deeply understand cannabis and how to use it in a mindful and integral and spiritually guided way .

So thank you for that work . For me it's quite simple . The abundance archetype is my baby . I have so many amazing students that I love so much and they all that enter go on at least a one-year journey with me into discovering what is true abundance .

And we take all of my experience from 20 some odd years on Wall Street at the top of that game , and all of my experience in the spiritual and wellness and psychological and dreaming fields , and I've combined them all into an amazing course that really opens people up to be this abundance in their own life and to find out what that truly means how to marry

spirituality and wealth , well-being and entrepreneurial success and , you know , have that definition be their own definition . But the most important thing that I love is my community . You know we're getting ready right now . We're leaving on Friday to go to Mount Shasta for a five-day retreat where I'm leading the students in an in-depth five-day ceremony .

We're really going to find out what's going on in the inside and the outside and it's going to be . I'm so excited I'm packing right now . I'm sending out drums and instruments and all sorts of cool stuff . So , but my community is what is really most important to me , as I'm sure it is for you and your work .

And then anyone who joins my course , they're really joining a community that has a course . We meet two times a week and when we go on those two times a week we bring an amazing guest like yourself , like a Paul Cech Gosh .

I have had probably 75 people in over the last year and a half from all walks of life , from Wall Street to Father Sean O'Lear and everything in between , and I do probably about half the calls myself where I answer questions and go deep and all of the students have all of access to that on recording in , like our little abundance archetype , netflix , and so

the simple way is , if you go to jasonpicardorg , you can not only download my free guide to my eight keys to greater wealth and wellbeing , which is a pretty extensive guide to how to create abundance in your life today and that's a free document you can just download .

And when you go there and download the document , you have an opportunity to book a free discovery call with me . And you get on a call with me for 30 minutes and we get to wrap and see if you're a good fit for the program and then , if you are , it's full speed ahead .

We go on a journey together you , me and our amazing community members from all around the world , and it's it's just so exciting . So thank you so much . I hope to see you on a discovery call . What do you have to lose ?

You know , tucker , steve Panico , all these guys that are just absolutely amazing , really high . You know heavy hitters , you know , in terms of spirituality and just putting their best foot forward and great community to join . You know , a lot of you guys hit me up all the time . What can I do to find community ? What can I do ?

Well , don't tell , don't tell me that I didn't give you a really good option here . Right , like you know , what jason's doing is absolutely amazing and , uh , dude , I love rapping with you every time . Man , I'm so grateful for our friendship . It's so great that we live close together too , because us east coasters are kind of out here on our own right .

We don't have all the fun stuff that california has . Yeah , we're holding down the fort up here , but , um , dude , it's been amazing man . Thank you so much again for coming on . Guys , I know you enjoyed this episode . Like I said before , jason is just such an amazing soul brother in my life doing incredible work . This guy is legitimately a legend .

I love working with this guy and , as you can see , he's extremely well versed in so many different topics , but he's also wise enough to know that it's not his job to figure out the answers for you , right ? And to find that in someone is extremely rare , so make sure you go check them out .

I'm going to link everything in the show notes and until next time , wherever you guys are in the world , I hope you're having the best day ever and , as always , may the source be with you . Peace .