Ep. 190: The Complete Deep Dive Into Cannabis Genetics (feat. Joe Colletta & Patrick)

The world of cannabis genetics today looks much different than it did even just five years ago , with more and more breeders coming forth and more strain selection than ever . I find many people are confused on how to navigate this world and to be able to truly understand how to find high quality genetics .

Today's guests on the show are two men who are looking to create the new standard when it comes to unique genetics . Not seen on the show are two men who are looking to create the new standard when it comes to unique genetics not seen on the mainstream cannabis market today .

They each have an extensive background in the cannabis space and have also done and continue to do the work when it comes to rating themselves of any distortion standing in the way from them being able to show up as their best selves and the highest service possible for their friends , family , clients and the world at large .

In this episode , we dive into each of their origin stories before doing a deep dive into the world of cannabis genetics today , how they came up with the idea for Green Goblin Seeds , their newest venture , and much , much more . So please help me in welcoming my brothers , joe Coletta and Patrick , to the show .

Joe and Patrick , my cosmic soul brothers , I am super excited to have you guys here with me . You know , as I mentioned in the intro for everyone listening , you know , we became connected a little while back . Joe was it ? Was it ? Who was it that connected us ? Was it ? Oh , it was Dave McCusker . It was Dave McCusker that connected us .

Right , shout out to Dave McCusker once again for being the homie . And as soon as he told me about what you guys were doing , I was like , yeah , I need to talk to you guys , because everything you're doing with green goblin genetics and seeds that we're going to get into and everything like that , you know , is just near and dear to my heart .

You know , like in the world of cannabis today , there's a lot of different genetics , but a lot of them are trash . A lot , lot of them are very similar and what you guys are doing is just exponentially amazing to everything that I hold near and dear to my heart within the realm of cannabis and beyond .

But before we get to all that juiciness we're going to save that for a second I want to ask you guys for both you guys , joe and Patrick , you can go one way or the other , if you want how did you guys first become interested in cannabis and psychedelics ?

We'll kind of lump them together Was this something that you were always into , or was it something that happened later on in life ? And how did that journey all start for you guys ?

So I was like working out when I was like five , six , um in , uh , in the , you know , the living room with my mom with like soup cans and jazzercise , and that turned into , you know , just like my own , dropping into the depth of my body at a very young age at 10 , I think I asked for a squat rack and I would . Just . I spent hours in the basement .

I was a little kid I'm still a little guy and so , like I figured at a young age , I love Arnold and Sylvester Stallone , all those guys , but I couldn't get the arms and I wasn't going to get the height at that age , so I was like I'll get the abs .

So I started doing crazy ab exercises and actually ended up in retrospect understanding that I , like I started doing breath , breath practices at a very young age , which will lead into a pretty just a funny story after this .

But what ended up happening is , like you know , with hockey and and growing up kind of like almost as an only child my brother's 10 years older than me , my sister's seven years older than me I grew up a little bit quicker and with sports especially , I would play with the older kids like that was my only choice , and so one of the funny things to do , I

guess , when you're in like eighth grade instead of fifth grade or high . So that was my first experience with cannabis at 10 years old and one of the kids in the neighborhood and we I mean we had an incredible time . So , like my , in my experience with other people's experiences where they don't feel it , something else happened .

You know , like I really had an elevated experience , but at that age you don't know how to process it fully . You just know that it it was fun .

Right and so that was my first experience and then , you know , come into eighth grade , I would say was when we touched back into it again and actually had my first LSD experience , all of those things being said like the dropping into the body , finding these things at a young age because of the work that I had done with the body , and then ultimately having

those psychedelic experiences at a really early time for sure , but supplementing it , let's say unconsciously , with the physical practices that I was doing .

And actually , you know , flashback to AOL back in the day , those breath practices that I was doing , I found a pop-up that said , like those breath practices that I was doing , I found a pop up that said , like Indian man's secret to massive penis and it was a pelvic floor exercise .

So I started , really I started understanding then that what I was doing with the breath practices were pelvic floor exercises . I didn't know that . I was like , oh , I was already doing this . And so , you know , still waiting for results to this day , but ultimately what ?

happened was , you know , this crazy phenomenon of being in the body , dropping into it deeply , playing sports , being with older people . It opened me up to a lot of experiences at a very young age .

But what I understood coming out of all this is that the psychedelics and the physicality were all leading me towards my spiritual path , and it was actually how I found my spiritual path .

Having those psychedelic experiences at a very young age actually turned me off to having psychedelic experiences for a very long time after that , and so it wasn't until I was in my late 20s like 28 , 29 , about 10 years ago that I started really experimenting with micro dosing and that actually correlated the same time with my dropping into yoga , dropping into

spiritual practices on a more formal level , and so , yeah , that really opened me up to see through , you know , touching into Ram Dass and some of these other sources , like what was the value of them ? Connect back to what I was doing as a kid .

See that , you know , there was a reason that I am the way that I am , and I'm kind of always felt a little bit different , not in a bad way , but ultimately in a way where it was a challenge sometimes to view the world in the same way as other people , not an empathetic way , but in a way where it made me a little bit confused , right , so feeling like

I could connect with people , but still being a little bit different . And so a lot of these experiences , you know . You just don't know that they're strange until you're out of the shit when you're a kid . So , yeah , the reality is so .

You know , let me not run all over myself Opening up very young led me into , you know , a bolstering of oh , there's really value here and now I could make and piece together the different things that I had experienced along the way , that maybe were a little bit fragmented and ultimately led to some challenges and despair in life , potentially into , you know ,

painting the full picture and then finding out that the psychedelics actually opened me up , into a space where I was finding out who I was .

I was looking at things that you know are really challenging to look at and going through the process of those and with that , that led me into really looking at what my career was and this was the most recent development and finding out that what I really wanted to do was be moving more towards the medicine that I found , uh , really was beneficial for my body

and brought me into the cannabis seed space with a with a longtime friend . So , um , there's a lot in there .

You just kind of find things that are fun for you and you kind of go more into them because they are continuing to be fun . And for me , you know , when I was 13 , I was in school and I started realizing , like you know , I was kind of tall at that point . You know , I'm six five now , but I wasn't fully six five then .

So I realized like , oh , like , when I got to middle school , like , oh , there are bigger kids in school , right , and so I was like I need to start working out .

So I remember my brother bought me two 25 pound dumbbells for Christmas one year and so I just started using those and doing push-ups and I started to realize early on like , oh , I get good attention when I have muscles . Okay , cool , like this is a good positive reinforcement . So I kept going with that and , you know , got deeper into it and whatnot .

But you know , what's really cool about both of our journeys is that . You know I always say that for psychedelics and cannabis , I include into that Before you get into them . It really helps to have a solid foundation of things that you love , like rituals , things of that nature , a strong spiritual foundation .

Exercise is definitely a strong spiritual foundation for me , taking care of yourself . Then , of course , yoga and meditation and breathwork and everything came later . For me , it's really cool that you tapped into it at a young age with breathwork , with breathwork and you know , really hilarious the comment on the huge penis thing .

They definitely knew how to market , you know to people . It's like all right , that'll get a guy's attention .

You know . So really cool to hear Joe and Patrick . I'd love to hear from you , man , and hear , like , how you first got interested in cannabis , psychedelics and everything in that realm .

But first thing that I really remember is when I was like 15 and starting to grow cannabis with my younger brother and we at the same time I was interested in psychedelics and stuff like that and you know I I did it early on and I remember an experience where I tripped very , very heavily on LSD and I was talking to Joe about it a little bit ago .

I was so young I didn't really have a sense of self , you know , and when you go into those sort of journeys and the stuff you create , you know you destroy your ego and things like that . So it's jarring for when you're young like that .

But the benefit for that for me was it gave me a realization that cannabis was what I wanted to do with the rest of my life and it sort of enforced that I was doing that . And the thing that was always difficult for me was to sort of reconcile that in my mind because I found out at such a young age this is what I wanted to do .

But growing up in the South it was like this is not something that you want to do , this is a taboo sort of subject . And so it created this conflict inside myself of understanding that I had had this opened up to me through psychedelic experiences , through experiences with cannabis .

But it was almost a taboo experience which created this conflict inside of me and , being such a young person , you can't really rationalize that and , being such a young person , you can't really rationalize that . So you sort of cover up that pain and it's translated through destructive means and other things like that .

But once you , if you can come out of it , you can look back on it and see that you had your ego destroyed and stripped from you and you saw what you wanted to do . And for me it was great because I went to university , which was , you know , to study cannabis University of Mississippi , which was the only legal cannabis field in the country .

I went to study that , found out that I couldn't go on the fields until I was in graduate school . So I said , okay , cool , I'll just grow in the woods , I'll grow in my closet , I'll do all of this and continue doing what I was doing before I came to the university and then learn as much as I can and because I had that ego stripped away of .

Oh , you can't do this , you can't work on the fields until you're a graduate student Cool , well , I can still go to the library , I can do that .

And having that ego stripped away of , like all of these can'ts when you're young like you can't do this you can't do this , and then having that experience so young , of being like I can do anything , like I'm connected with everybody , my entire future is written by me , and having that experience was very empowering at a young age and it made it difficult to

relate to a lot of people until I got into my later 20s , because people are trying to create their identity and I felt like I'd found mine when I was 15 . So that was just a sort of thing and for me it's been a consistent thing .

That's what , from the time I was 15 , I was like I'm going to grow cannabis , I'm going to be in the cannabis space , and now the age that I am now , many years later , still doing it , because it's what I love .

It's pretty much the only sort of truth that I've found in , just like even going through hard times I've been growing cannabis , been in this space but I just am always connected with the plant .

Like going into the field and putting my feet and watering plants barefoot and stepping out in the ground and seeing these plants is almost a psychedelic experience in itself , because you realize the power that these things hold .

Whether it's a cannabis plant , an opium plant , bark from a tree , a frog , you know , whatever it is , they hold this sort of reverence that you don't understand and you can't really see , but you see it from afar and if you're truly connected , then you realize that this is the truth to breaking back and getting everything that you want .

You just have to be willing to accept that medicine and specific time , because it's not the right time for everybody . And so when I think of my first experience with these things , it's hard to pinpoint one because I think of just the transition that it took me into and the realization and remembering .

I specifically remember that trip that I had because it was very , very strong . I was , you know , 15 years old and it was the hardest psychedelic experience I've ever had . I think it's at this point . I mean , I took like a 20 strip and it was just too , too much .

I remember hiding it around , smoking with my friends inside specific times , but you know , it's it's not really that that I think of , it's more of , when I realized that this is what I wanted to do in my life and no matter what challenges were faced , because I went to the university and then I was like , okay , I can't continue to do this in the south and

grow and do this without jeopardizing my freedom . So I was like California , go to California . And that's what I did . And luckily , I've been able to move back to the south with the laws for hemp and things like that , which has transitioned me in 2018 to come back to the south to do hemp .

And being able to do seed cultivation in California and back in the southeast has been great . But that's my first experiences with cannabis or realizing this is what the rest of my life is made up of , I guess .

I had some bag seed my cousin Jackie , who's 10 years older than me , you know , when I got into cannabis when I was 16 , I found that I really enjoyed it because I never liked alcohol . I was trying to convince myself that I could like alcohol but you know , it just never really worked for me .

You know , I'd look around at people seemingly having fun and I'd be like I just feel sick and gross , you know . And then my favorite part of the night would be like when everyone , like all the stoners , were like let's smoke a blunt , and then I usually puke because I'd been drinking .

So I realized early on like , oh , if I smoke and I don't drink , I don't puke . So then I was like , well , I can't drink anymore because I really like smoking . And so shout out to cannabis . For , you know , stopping that . You know potential challenge of drinking right in its tracks when I was very young .

But I remember that when I was 16 , my brother , who's 20 years older than me , he apparently had trouble finding stuff , and so my mom and I were always really close , my dad and I too . But my mom knew everything . Like I would tell her everything . She'd buy me beers every once in a while , you know whatever .

I was a huge Pantera fan , so I'd see him drinking Rolling Rock and I tried to drink Rolling Rock and whatever . So she'd always know pretty much everything . So I guess she had told my brother's wife that I could find stuff .

And so my brother , I remember hitting me up and being like , hey , I have a friend that is looking for anything , could you find something ? And I'm like , oh , you know , maybe I could , you know , connect you to this person or whatever . Well , it's probably about six months before he was like , you know , this is for me , right ?

And I'm like , yeah , I kind of figured . And so then he was like you got to meet your cousin Jackie and I had met Jackie , like I remember , at a 3rd of July party my dad had thrown I was like 11 or whatever , and I remembered , you know , he had red hair and that's all I really remembered a lot of tattoos .

So I had reached out to him and he introduced me to like the real game of cannabis . I had been on like mids and kind , but you know KB , back in the day and uh , and he brought over you know , what was known at that time to be exotics or headies , you know .

And , and I remember you know he started kind of training me where , like you know , he'd be like hey , like , what do your friends have ? Like what do they have access to ? And so I'd grab something and be like dude , it's really good , let's , it was exotics . And he's like no dude , like . So he started teaching me a lot about it .

So around this time I ended up with a bunch of seeds and he was like you should try growing one . And my parents' backyard was a swamp and so I just threw a bunch of seeds out there , didn't even know what I was looking for in terms of a sprout . But he came over about a week later and we're out there looking around and he's like hey , you got one .

And I'm like that's , that's a can of flame . He's like yeah , I did nothing to this thing , dude , I literally just grew straight up . It ended up being female , by the luck of the gods , and I ended up getting the harvest about I don't know , probably three ounces from it , which at that time was like I was a millionaire , basically . You know , you know .

And so after that I just was hooked , you know , and you know again , I won't tell the but then later on , my dad and I started growing together and whatnot , once he found out , and you know things like that . But it's just amazing to look back to that because , again , when I grew that first plan , you know , it was exactly what I knew as well .

This is what I want to do with the rest of my life . You know , I want to be in the world of cannabis , and just like you , patrick , and it wasn't the kind where you actually drink the cups , it was just like water cups or whatever , because I didn't like drinking anymore .

So I was just playing beer pong with a buddy of mine that I'd grown up with , and it started to get a little competitive and he knew I didn't drink and he was the beer pong guy and I started beating him and so we started getting pretty frustrated and so I started throwing shit back at him and he was like well , what are you going to do when you have to

grow up and get a real job . You know , like , what are you going to do when cannabis , like you know , when you have to grow up and blah , blah , blah , and I was like , well , let's just see what happens . And I remember it was about probably eight years ago when I got into the industry .

And you know , of course , like all these things , I didn't really know if we're going to pan out , but I was just really interested in it . And I remember about eight years ago he hit me up and he's like hey , man , how do I get into the industry ? And it was just that moment of like , you know , of course I helped him .

I didn't be like hey , you know , remember that time , but it was kind of like that feeling in me of like , yeah , I had to be a pirate for a little while , but it was really fucking fun . And you know , I imagine you guys can identify with this because you guys grew up together . You know or have known each other for a long time .

You know the people that you break laws with , you bond very deep with . You know , and even if now it's not a law to break , to grow cannabis or whatever , or to connect with it .

You stay bonded with those people , like , those are still my best best friends ever , and nowadays I'm not breaking laws anymore , but the people that are all living a life beat at their own drum , those are my ride or dies , you know , because even if I'm a coach , someone else is building their own . You know , physical business , infrastructure or whatever .

We're all doing something that doesn't have a paved path to it and it seems like that's a connection that you guys have as well . Would you agree with that , like you know , this idea of , like you know , always wanting to do something different than the mainstream , kind of laid out for us all , the cancer , as Patrick said . Patrick , I'll let you go .

But for me , yeah , joe and I have always been close and as RIP young Dolph , he always says if you trap together , you're my motherfucking brother . So that's just sort of you know the way that I sort of outlook on life as well .

What Patrick mentioned is not that I was some lawless person , but I mean in high school we knew each other in high school and before we were some wild boys . We knew each other in high school and before and we were some wild boys .

It was , it was interesting , and so you know we made it out , but it was also , you know , then I I tried , and I really tried to figure it out and suck it up and and go through what felt like a bit of a torturous life each day as I went to college and studied something that I didn't really see value in , which was , I mean , I see value in business ,

but the way that we learn and the way that the education system was not to teach you how to learn , it's to shove stuff down your throat . And you know that's not who I am . I'm a creative thinker and really somebody who lives in a nonlinear way . So that didn't .

It didn't sit right with me , if you will , but you know how , how I kind of got here is my real kind of opening . So in high school I took a bit of a different route . I was playing high level sports . We were winning national championships for it's . It's funny to say now , roller hockey , which was so much fun .

Roller hockey I'm not like we were winning soccer in , like basketball or some badass , but anyways it was awesome . We had a killer time . But I thought I was going that route . I just I never got past five , six and a half , so I wasn't going to the NHL . That just wasn't happening . So you know what ?

I didn't have a seatbelt on , my buddy was driving and we landed back on the wheels and we actually got pulled over by a cop who gave my buddy a DUI . I got checked out . They're like nothing's wrong with you . The car flipped four times without a seatbelt on . There was certainly something wrong with me .

I was built like a brick shithouse , but that doesn't mean the spy didn't take the hit . So there was deep pain there and just an ability to soldier on as a young guy , but the body keeps the score right .

So ultimately , what I found was that , although I wasn't using it in a conscious way , I immediately and there were some other incidents with with police and drunken incidents getting tackled and tased and like the shit kicked out of you while you don't know what's happening . Your body really gets jacked up . So I mean cannabis .

The mother really embraced me there and so I didn't realize what I was doing . But again , you want to talk about a save from another epidemic . I mean , we lived in a place and a lot of people I know Boston experienced this for sure but the opioid epidemic and thank God I have cannabis .

I found that my body did not agree with opioids but we lost a lot of friends to the opioid epidemic when we were kids . But thankfully I had cannabis to help with the pain and with , you know , taking taking me out of the temptation of those spots .

Through that process I still did the corporate thing and had another hockey injury that just it turned things up and flipped up the degradation of my spine to the point that then I really had to go into yogic spaces , breath practice spaces and look at the cannabis use for what it really was , because there was no way to ignore pain in my life anymore and I

realized what it was doing for me .

At that point , let's say at 28 , where I all of a sudden understood the relief , the elasticity and also , when I was using it with the proper breaks and giving myself space and really allowing for it to be medicine , the mental elasticity that started to read and it felt like it had like neurogenesis type effects , where it actually helped me come back to life

with my brain , rather than what people think of as the misconception of it causing a brain fog and what people think of as the misconception of it causing a brain fog . So it really played like I went down a totally different path . I really stepped into a corporate space .

I was working for the largest German software company in the world for a long time , for 11 years and you know , while that offered me and I did Patrick can probably attest to this , patrick can probably attest to this I marched so deeply to the beat of my own drum and who I am that I carved out a really strange career at this software company where I didn't

work in an office for the past nine years and traveled the world . It was pretty badass . I would say like A++ on performance , but it was still killing me . And so at this certain point , patrick and I had been exploring for years and I'd had many failed businesses on the side . We had tried . We're like , what can we do ?

And finally it came together with the seed company and I said , you know , this is the thing , and I felt into it for a little bit . But the moment that my soul in this year it was this year in June , end of june , beginning of july , it was soul just said like it's time .

And believe me , I , like ego , joe , is like you could have planned better , buddy , like no shit , you wanted less stress , like all these things , but it was like it was fucking time , man . And so I finally just took the leap and , although , of course , there's life happening , I've never felt more correct about a decision in my life .

So , fail or succeed , it doesn't matter , like we're doing it . So that's how I got here .

But the most important thing and for anyone listening too , maybe you feel like Joe felt 10 years ago right , I got all these failed businesses , what am I going to do ? And it's like no , you have a lot of opportunities that you actually did . The only thing that's going to get you forward in life , which is you took a risk .

You know to go out on your own , to pave your own path , even to get a promotion to the regular job . Right , it's a risk and you have to be willing to put yourself out there to see what happens from it .

And even if you get the no or the quote unquote failure , you learn from that experience and it shapes you more into who you are and who you're continuing to become . You know because we're in a constant cyclical process of becoming . You know .

And it's amazing to hear that because I was very similar as well when it came to the jobs that I did have , I had like three jobs in my life and I'll tell you what they all were . Uh , the first one was staples , and that the smell of paper still haunts me in my dreams .

That was the most boring fucking job you can ever think of , like like , there's nothing more boring than selling paper and fucking pens , right ? So the second job I had was a wild left turn . I worked at a porn store for a year and a half because at that point I had realized I just don't want to do anything that other people want to do .

So I needed the new bong because the cops had busted the fort we had made . In the process of busting it , they had come over .

It was in my neighbor's backyard and we had had a big sleepover at my house and basically there was cops doing road work in front of my parents' house , and my neighbors are like family to me , so our yards are connected through a gate . It's called the mudslide gate Because my mom and their mom used to drink mudslides all the time together .

Now it's white Russians , but our dads built that when we were young but we were all walking with stuff of our shirts like bongs and whatnot out there a bunch . And so this cop decided to just come back and see what the hell was going on , which is totally illegal . But we didn't know our rights at that time .

So I had had to go back to my house to grab something . Halfway there , right Like I realized I forgot I don't know something , a drink or whatever . So I went back to the house and to grab it .

So I'm walking back out , I'm not really paying attention and I just looked down at the Ford it's probably like I don't know 50 , 60 feet in front of me and I see someone at the door in all black and I'm like what the fuck is that Cause ? It's like you know , it's like nice out and oh shit . So I like tiptoe back . He doesn't see me .

I run back to my house and I tell my mom . I'm like hey , don't be mad . She's like why ? And I'm like there's a cop at the fort . She's like oh my god . So my dad comes home . He goes out there to talk to the cop and , to my dad's credit , he pretends to be very upset .

He said I had no idea this was happening , but to make a show of it he went back there and started breaking a bunch of shit and one of the things he broke was my bong . So he didn't know it was my bong . That was still when my dad didn't really know I was doing it , but he kind of knew I was doing it .

So I had to go get a new bong and the only place so I go up there and they have this sign now hiring . And so I'm with my buddy , I'm like dude , that'd be hilarious . So I fill out an application and the next day they fucking call me . So I ended up working there for a year and a half Very interesting experience in my life .

And then the third job was a dispensary , and that was the last job I'm ever going to work for someone else . You know , I made that , this conversation , and they're like , oh my God , is entrepreneurship for me ? Maybe ? Or maybe it's just finding a way to make you know something aligned to your vision work for you .

You know , there are many ways to do it , so long as you can go to bed feeling like , yeah , I'm proud of myself and I'm on the right path . You know , so it's really cool to think about that .

I mean , one of the things that I've realized for me and like my spiritual path is it ?

I'm definitely not here to be a coach , Like I don't want to be a spiritual coach in the mainstream sense of it and I don't want to be , you know , a life coach for people , and so then you know if you're in the spiritual realm , especially where I met our boy , David , David McCusker , shout out , shout out to fit for , fit for service .

There was , like there's a lot of people that are in the spiritual world there and I felt that it was . It was a great experience to be able to navigate that , that group of people in that walk of life while still doing the corporate thing because my service isn't actually what I do in the world . First my services , Can I connect to who I truly am ?

And when I know who I truly am , I know I'm God . When I know I'm not God , as in the only God , I'm part of the same essence that is source and creator . And when I look out into the world , I know that all of the world is of the same essence of source and creator .

And when I can recognize that , I recognize the kingdom by my recognition , I give off a vibration .

I know that we're getting into our woo-woo shit now , but it's blessing the world and I get to bless everybody around me whether they agree with it or not , but it's a vibrational thing and this is a real energetic thing and that's what brings service into the world without having to do anything .

And then , once we get to that point where we're making that our regular expression and it's work and it's not perfect , but then our expression in action becomes something else .

So , you know , we can go through a corporate job and if we really are able to like , we feel like we're serving through that job in a way that doesn't hurt the world and we love the people we work with and that brings good and like and we feel good , then that might be what you want to do . It was just that you know there was a personal calling .

That's like there's something that feels different about what I'm supposed to put in the world and that , and maybe it's about having conversations about how I stop doing it and who knows , maybe I have to go back to a corporation at some point , but that's all a choice and it doesn't need to be made right now .

I don't think the one thing that I really wanted to get from all of this is just where do I find happiness in it ? And so it was the move to get out . Also , what was it ? It was Love Shack . Was the ? Was the sex shop slash milk shop that was over by our house .

It was a real interesting place because that was the only place you could get any paraphernalia from , like many years over by our place Sex shop .

You made me think of you in Amsterdam , like you're working a corporate job and you're able to visit me when I'm taking my vacation in Amsterdam in the wintertime , because that's something that I like to do . I love the sex industry . I'm from from Atlanta , I love strip clubs , so like it's like a bar scene to me .

That's just sort of the vibe that I like . And Joe , I said , hey , me and my girl are going to Amsterdam , you going to be around .

He was going and doing spiritual work over there and he's like , yeah , I got some time to blow some steam off and get aligned with my more ravenous side and that's , you know , that's the , the balance that Joe has always had .

It's been able to keep me and him connected , as he has this drive to better himself but he also has a drive to , you know , uh , get down to that ravenous side and be true to himself of like you know I'm doing corporate , but you know I can do my work from from Amsterdam . For a week and sort of vibe with it and roll with it .

And those are the you know , like you said earlier , the people that sort of march to the beat of their own drum are the people that you keep around you and that's sort of the same sort of energy of .

Joe has been able to keep his spiritual side , keep his ravenous side , keep his corporate side and doing all of these things and navigate it and finding that something in his life didn't work so he was going to strip it , but he also sees the value in keeping it , which is you know what you , what you see with true , um , you know , I I hate to say age ,

but that's what happens . You know , I hate to say age , but that's what happens To see a better perception on life and see the value in everything and not understand , understanding that you don't need to just kick anything away and that absolutes aren't real . And that's the . That's really .

What it comes down to is that absolutes don't exist and when you start living in absolutes , you create conflict and that's just sort of a driven thing that has kept us in constant communication .

Moving forward is , you know , those sorts of things and when you start to fill yourself , get in those directions , to sort of level yourself up , and and cannabis helps me do that Personally , yeah .

Like I think that's what can happen when you get really into , say , spirituality , you don't let that ravenous side out . You know , and even people like Buddha and Jesus , you know , if they were real people , right , who knows ? I believe they were .

But you know again , like even they were saying like , hey , you don't have to quit alcohol or quit you know anything , because to quit it makes it more real .

Right Now , if you have a ridiculous , ridiculous out of balance relationship and you're on one side of the absolute , you may need to have that counter swing to the other side of absolute , from , like addiction to abstinence . But the goal is always to find somewhere in the middle , because that's where true freedom occurs .

Freedom doesn't come from I need it all the time or I can never use it because I'm terrified to ever use it . It comes from like , hey , I'm going to Dubai , whatever I guess I just won't use , or I can never use it because I'm terrified to ever use it .

It comes from like , hey , I'm going to Dubai , whatever , I guess I just won't use it for seven days or whatever , or if I happen to find it out there . You know , one of my buddies , brooks , always says you know , you know how . You know , if you're a true stoner , cannabis finds you .

You know , and that's a real thing , you know , like you , I just I've surrendered to it , I'm like all right , I'm not gonna try to find any , I'm not going to get myself in any hot water , especially in foreign countries , especially Central American countries , right , but again , at the end of the day , sometimes it just finds you and you're like all right .

Well , I believe this is spirit working through me , you know , and I think that's one of the most beautiful things . And something I'd love to ask you , patrick , you know , is at what point did you know you wanted to start a genetic company , like a seed company ?

You know , was that something you guys talked about together or is that something that kind of came out like ? Like , did you guys talk about it and it was like oh , I had never thought of that before , let's do that .

Or was it something you were already tossed around and when Joe , kind of you know , got out of his corporate life and was like , hey , let's do something together , you know , was it something that came out at that point . I'm just so curious to hear how Green Goblin became a thing , dude , because for everyone listening , I'll give a little context .

First , I know we said it in the intro , but you know , what Joe and Patrick are doing is next level . I mean , just like the ability of them to preserve very specific genetics and make very unique genetics in breeding is something that I don't really see a lot of .

I love gelato , for instance , I love dosido , I love those strains , but everything these days is just like a cross of a cross of a cross , of that . Being able to look at these different things and have that variety , which variety is the spice of life , is so important .

I'm always curious to hear how people that ended up creating a business together originally started that journey .

You know , I've been doing that for a long time and what I was doing before is we were selling our seeds to people and then they would . Before Joe and I got into this . So I would go to places , amsterdam for example . I spend , you know , try and spend a month every winter .

He'd go there and just unwind because it's the only off season he talked about like traveling . Traveling it's very limited for me because it's like off the sun in the season . So it's like you have a little bit of time in the winter off and you know .

So I go to Amsterdam , source genetics over there and things like that , and get this , get a strain catalog going , and I've done that for a long time . And so I was did breeding , did breeding when I came back , was doing it , you know , as a hobby .

Then came back and did it with CBD breeding , cbg breeding , hemp breeding , down here in the South and continued doing THC breeding in California with some operations that I had over there . And you know I've just been breeding for a long time .

What I was doing is selling to websites that would basically sell my seeds and then do it under their , their , their company or whatever they wanted , and they would sell them and then I'd get a cut from them . You know it was like a 60 , 66 , 33 , you know 60 , 40 cut for pretty much . They do all the work .

I create the seeds , they do all the marketing . I'll do all that . And then , um , when we were in Amsterdam last it was last year um , I was doing again seeds and I was continuing to sell and I was like this is just not really practical for me . I just feel like I'm sort of the middleman that's .

It's like doing all this and it's just sort of , you know , going in into the ether and I'm not really controlling it from the beginning to the end , I'm just controlling the beginning . And so I was like talk to joe .

And I was like , hey , when we were in there , I'm like you know , we got to figure out something to work together seeds or what I'm trying to do .

I want to create an intentional community to you know , do regenerative farming and teach people about no-till farming being negative carbon emissions , because one of the largest carbon emissions is from farming and people don't realize that . So , like when I came to the Southeast I started doing industrial hemp farming , of growing you know hundreds of acres .

Try to teach people about not doing you know no till and then stopping fumigation and being like , okay , you can't spray , you can't fumigate with chloropicrin and telon , and like these very harmful things that kill the fungus inside there . So my goal was like to change and impact on things and being able to to do that and uh , with farming .

So joe and I saw eye to eye on that and I have so many seeds and so in january I decided I wasn't gonna sell to those websites anymore , just gonna start from scratch over again and create a company and do that from the beginning up . And that's when joe got into it with me . You know it was more of like May .

We sort of got serious about it and we're just , you know , like this is what we're going to do . We're going to bring this to market and bring quality .

Genetics is vertically integrated and we can market it towards , you know , people that have intentions of what they're trying to do , with the intention of keeping that middle of the road and not being in excess and not being in in in drought and just having that that sort of contentness and not , you know , trying to be a money grab .

Because in the cannabis business we talked about MJ biz and we're going to MJ biz this year and we're going to try to , uh , you know , network and meet people , but meet people with intentions that are good and meet people with the intention of I'm trying to be in the frequency of love and the frequency of abundance and the frequency of uh , the middle road .

You know , know , that's what we want and that's what we're trying to bring through and versus me and sending that to a bunch of different websites that are pushing genetics out , that they pick and cherry pick because they're like , hey , I only want these gelato crosses .

I'm like you know , I stopped crossing with gelatos because a lot of the clones that I got that are gelato crosses have HPLV , which is a big problem in the cannabis business . I was like I'm just not going to breed with that sort of stuff .

I have land-raised stuff that I'm not trying to cross-contaminate the genetics and be like this is something that's stable . You know when you're talking about .

You know NL ones , or you know sour diesels or GG fours or Kim cookies or any one of these varieties that are land race to new age , the old age , Um , I try and keep them around and then also taking stuff out of the new breeding catalog , because there's always new stuff that's coming around .

It's just hard to follow the waves and I think that's what people have gone away from is , or people have done , is going towards the wave and trying to follow what the consumer wants versus what you know feels good and what feels right . And that's where joe and I connected on .

That is we see the vision in that of not trying to chase that , trying to just chase what we feel is the right way , what we feel are good breeding practices , what we feel are good , versus just throwing a bunch of plants in a room and scattering it up , hoping that all the plants are clean .

You're not passing on viruses , viruses , you're doing all that stuff and that's just what the intention I want . Because you work with some people and it's like , hey , I need you to breed with these , these , these , these , and I'm like , yeah , I'm gonna have to pass or if you're like I'm gonna . I need .

I need , like auto flowers , for example , I have some really good friends that do amazing work with auto flowers .

I do not do work with auto flowers because I did CBG auto flowers and I had so many issues with consistent cannabinoid profiles and so it was just like I'm going to stay out of this , like I it's a little bit something that I don't want to get into .

I've done feminized and I'm comfortable doing feminized seeds and I'm comfortable doing regular , but I prefer regular seeds . And the reason I prefer regular seeds is when you do feminized you're changing that plant chemically and something that I don't like to do but I have done it and I will continue to do it is change the plant sex .

But for a breeder like me , I like male , female seeds and that's why they're more valuable to me is because it's a true Mendel's law of segregation . Like you see the different , you see the different squares and you see the different expressions that you can get .

And you want that because cannabis is not something that you know stays consistent and something that you don't want to be consistent , because if everybody's going to be breeding these candies like candies , I I grow some , but I don't want to be consistent because if everybody's going to be breeding these candies like candies I I grow some , but I I don't really

like them because they're like what a grower would throw away , like they don't put off really good yields , they don't do well unless you got , you know , under lighting . They like they're just they're not gonna the . The spacing's weird on the buds and so like that's not . And thenatos , like gelatos , grow great . That's why growers love them .

They put on the weight , things like that . But lemon cherry gelato doesn't really , unless you've got under lighting , because it would have been one of the throwaways . But it's a very popular strain right now and that's good that someone kept it and I'm glad that they did , because it introduced something to the market that people really liked .

But at the same time , the market shouldn't tell you that all you need to find now are candies .

You need to go back to the old breeding of the NL1s , the hazes , the skunks , all the ones that were from Amsterdam , who was doing most of the breeding in the 90s up until the early 2000s that were from Amsterdam , who was doing most of the breeding in the 90s up until the early 2000s .

Like one of the best plants that I got was this variety called ice , and so you know it's a very , very good , good variety that I grew and it was amazing . There was nothing like it . It was a great breeding for us and we did really good breeding projects with it . But it's something people don't talk about is those one-offs that came from amsterdam ?

People talked about the chem dog that came off of a seed and the grateful dead , you know , and from someone given selling a bag and the grateful dead and doing that . Nobody talks about these small guys that were bringing these seeds from amsterdam and growing this fire . People are like northern lights . It's nothing like the northern lights I used to get .

Yeah , that's because you're getting it from this one-off grower that got some seeds from Amsterdam that was growing this phenotype at Northern lights to pull your fucking socks off because it didn't have this consistent phenotype . You got one of those pundit squares . You got one of those .

You know Mendel's law of segregation you're going to have different phenotypes , different expressions . That's why I like male-female types , because when I'm doing female feminized plants , it's all one . I'm trying to be consistent . I'm trying to get it to be McDonald's , so every single time you pop a seed , it's the same .

That's not the type of vibe that I'm trying to live personally .

concentrates . Um , he's done some really cool things in that space . But also one of the things that Patrick and I do also do together is we want to embrace new technology , like we are . That there's , there's absolute value in what we would call like traditional and preservation of growing practices .

You could even callative agriculture , like this preservative type of mindset when it comes to growing . But also , what do we do with the other technology that you could introduce ? Part of what we're doing as well is introducing frequency 963 hertz into the scenario .

Is what we've been growing with , and also with the seeds and storage and playing it to him as well , which is , you know , the god tone . So it's had some really beautiful effects . And patrick has some other technology within the .

The growing space that he uses , and one of the things I'm invested in right now and will bring to the market at a certain point is light and frequency based pest control as well , so experimenting with that , and how we can actually live , catch bugs and reintroduce them into the environment and then live , catch them and then reintroduce them , preserving the terpene

profiles or enhancing them , et cetera . So there's a lot of stuff that brought us together on that front and I think it's pretty evident there's um just an an effort to preserve the best genetics , but also like we want to provide them in a way that makes them accessible yeah , 100 .

So just focus so heavy on that , because you end up losing a lot of the genetics that were popular before that , because everyone prioritizes , let's say , candy or gas or whatever , and for me , like , one of the best parts of cannabis and life in general is the variety .

You know , I say all the time variety is the spice of life , which is a saying I got from tony horton and p90x .

So shout out to tony horton , but you know again like he said a lot of good things in that p90x program , but it's a great program at 2 am yeah , dude , yeah , exactly bro , and uh , you know it's so funny , man , because you know , for me some of my favorite strains of all time , still to this day , are like blue dream , green crack .

You know the original northern lights , or at least what I could get from . You know greenhouse seeds or whoever I could get it from through the internet . But you know , again , like I just heard this guy , I'm sure you guys have heard of first smoke of the day , those guys that do that podcast , pretty cool podcast .

Here in America , everyone's like allowing the consumer to guide the way right , and what we know about the consumer is , overall , the consumer is uneducated . I know that from working at a dispensary . People know two things when they walk into a dispensary what's your highest percent and what looks the prettiest .

That's really what most people base their decision off of . You know you'll get the . Every once in a while you'll get someone that comes in that's like hey , I have a very specific thing I'm looking for , what would help with that , and then whatever you recommend they're going to go with .

But for the most part , most people think they know a lot , but they actually don't know anything , and so the ability to change their mind is very challenging , and so , rather than trying to tell them about this kind of stuff , what I found is that one of the best things you can do is just give them something , have them try it , and when they're like , dude ,

this must be like 30% , right . You're like , no , it's actually 14 , you know . And they're like what ? And then you're like , okay , so can you see that maybe , just maybe , there's more to the picture here than just what's the highest percent or what does the flower look like ?

You know , and I think for me one of the best things in being a grower is being able to select what I want from breeders like yourselves that are prioritizing things that are in my values .

And one of the other things we connected on was the fact that you guys are utilizing frequency healing and things that could be considered , quote , unquote , woo , woo in the cannabis world . You know most , most growers in the cannabis world , when I mentioned biogeometry or whatever , they kind of roll their eyes .

But you know again , when you understand that everything is sound and vibration and you understand that plants , just like human beings and just like animals as well , have a bio field and that bio field is just a collection of frequencies and depending on how many EMFs , radio waves or whatever are also going through that biofield is the degree to which they can have

a lot of confusion in their biofield and therefore lead to all sorts of issues down the line .

So if you can utilize practices like biogeometry , frequency healing , electroculture , whatever it is to be able to strengthen that plant's biofield , well , the positive reinforcement you get as a gift in return is that plant either yielding more or creating very unique terpene profiles , very unique colorings and all these different things that , in my experience , you just

don't get when you're growing in a regular salt grow with gelato genetics and things like that Again , not to knock anyone's grow styles Like again , I think , once again varieties of spice of life . You know , just like you , patrick , I'm very big on regenerative stuff , but I've messed around with salts in the past and whatnot .

What I've found in my time growing is that when you allow nature to do what nature does best and you just act as a steward understanding I'm not I'm not trying to overwhelm or conquer nature , but all I'm trying to do is just see what the nature needs and be able to provide it to that .

You know , either you know bed or pot , or you know land or whatever . When you can do that , everything just works even better . That's what I found . It's pretty amazing . You know , what's the thought you know , or what a thought that you know nature would know how to be nature .

You shouldn carbon emissions and salts . You know , limit your salts . You shouldn't do that . But the land has been ripped up pretty hard .

So to be able to do that as a farmer , to put those living organisms back in , is a hard sell and you know it's a lot easier for them to pay a couple hundred dollars an acre to be able to put that in versus spending a couple thousand dollars per acre because you're losing money on the acres because you're not growing anything , because you're just trying to

keep those fields in fallow . And I worked with a guy down in South Georgia amazing dude worked with him in CBD . He does cattle and he does free grazing and all of the cows are grass-fed , grass-fin grass , finished and it's the best beef you'll ever have .

And his soil is amazing and it's great organic soil and it's really amazing quality beef , amazing quality soil . But you know all of his neighbors don't do that because it's a lot cheaper to do other stuff and he's been a good shepherd of changing those ways . And you know we hoped with hemp we'd be able to change those ways .

And you know we hoped with hemp we'd be able to change those ways slowly , because you can put those mycos , you can put that stuff back in , you can teach people to just , hey , maybe don't fumigate .

I know that weeds suck and they really suck , but the fumigation is a lot worse and this is why because they've never had anybody explain that to them and I think people are really hard on the farmers , they're really hard on the organic people .

I think it's this sort of battle between the two that I just can't get behind either side , because I think it's the middle of the road which goes back to my sort of belief on that . But yeah , I mean , I , I use salts as well as organics , living soil , it's , it's . I think it's beneficial . It just depends on what you're doing yeah , 100 .

Like you know , I remember from I don't know , probably like five years ago , there was a video that went around and went viral and it was a rabbi , a priest and a rapper , I believe , and they all smoked a joint together and so beforehand they're very cordial with each other , they weren't arguing , but they were pretty steadfast in their belief systems , like yeah ,

you have yours , and that's great , you have yours , but I have mine over here and it shows smoke a joint together , and by the end they're like you know , I think we're all kind of talking about the same thing and they high five , you know , and it's like that's what the world needs now more than ever .

And I feel like a lot of the industry has forgotten the roots of what cannabis culture is , which is meant to bring people together , not put people at odds with each other .

You know , I think , at the end of the day , everyone's looking to do the best they can with the information they have available and , like you're saying , patrick right , like I think a lot of the organic people that want to , you know , try to persuade the non organic people to be organic , are doing so in a way that doesn't really make sense .

They're like , yeah , well , you're gonna have to do more work and all this stuff , and it's like that's not really going to meet them where they're at , because their values are what ?

If you could do this and keep operational costs very low and all these things that matter to them , I think there'll be more apt to be like okay , maybe I'm not fully sold , but I'll , at least you know I'll , I'll , I'll look into what you're selling here . You know and see it .

And I think that's what's amazing about having you guys doing what you're doing is that you have feet in both of these worlds and you have the keys to be able to bring these people together , which , once again , is what true cannabis culture is all about , at least for me 100 I think you bring up .

There's , there's all there's purpose behind these things and it's based on shape . There's actual research and studies going on in southeast asia for frequency in it , creating higher yields for the plants . Um , and so yeah , yeah , like I guess we lost Patrick for a moment , but we will like .

So Patrick mentions when I saw him in Amsterdam , and for me that was , I believe I was coming from an ashram and I was stopping in Amsterdam to see him before I went to Ibiza for a bufo session . So , yeah , it was a really interesting time period . But you know what we ?

So we had been looking for things and we talk about the God tone and that's actually where it came from my experience with Bufo and the energy that that actually brings to the table . And in growing with that , we found exactly what you found , ryan , which is that it didn't matter , the THC content .

It brought people into this beautiful confrontation with themselves and ultimately into a place where you know , regardless of what the confrontation is viewed as for them , whether it's confrontation with substance and why they're using it , or it's confrontation with some undone thing inside ourselves that we need to take care of , and if we don't , then it turns into

anxiety and paranoia and other . Whatever it might be , it really is the thing that brings you into deeper unity and into peace with the self . And so , behind greed , goblin seeds and part of the thing you know I got back from .

So I went to abiza , then I went to bali , then I was back in amsterdam and then I was back in california and I was like all right , what do I really , what do I really want ? And before this was before we even knew we were going to do the seed company .

But this is what the seed company actually came together to support was sitting in , you know , rancho , santa fe , and near San Diego , which is just ridiculously expensive place . I'm like it would be fantastic if I had an organic farm . It's very clear that I'm not going to do it here because I don't have $7 million to drop on like two acres of land .

That's when I moved back to Georgia . I bought a little farm seven and a half acres , up in the mountains it's almost up to Tennessee , which is a very interesting cannabis scene at the moment and so we started there right and we have a little place where we're building an embodiment space .

So I have a large warehouse that we're building out gym , hot pool , cold pool , sauna , all the different things , yoga space . We'll have on the back end a place for a little ecstatic dances .

Eventually this will become an agro-tourism spot and what we're doing is we will get you know , we're working towards getting our hemp license up there so we can have a showcase of whether it's hemp or land race , variety apples , pawp , pawpaws , native fruits , high-end , potentially high-end products that we can put out into the world , all just to bring some type of

attention to the farm and get people to put their hands back into the soil . And if we can do that through cannabis courses , that's what we're there to do .

But we're also doing it through the food to ultimately get people to back into a place where they're contributing , and we see that as what you know , patrick mentioned before the communities , intentional communities and a place to build around is how do we get people who are interested first in growing anything and we can connect with our , with our cannabis growers

from there ? How do we then get the word to say hey , you already understand this .

How do we get word out to you , to other people , to get us to come in the community to learn , to put our fingers back into the soil that gets us all to create something that creates those intentional communities where people know that they're contributing to something that empowers a group of people to be able to make the right decision for themselves there .

And then we're all working towards with Fit for Service . We've got a lot of people with intentional communities and farms and it's a really fantastic place , and the vision that I have is seeing that we'll provide an infrastructure for these communities who can make the right decision for themselves .

It's the beautiful , beautiful part about dropping into connection with the land and connection with yourself , as you know what to do for yourself , and so when we allow for that , then each community and then the local area gets to make the right decisions for that area .

Geography matters and the people in those areas matter , and then we start to span out and span out from there and then you could see and conceptualize how potentially COVID could have been handled in a much different way , how potentially COVID could have been handled in a much different way and where we would be able to make unified global decisions and not be

afraid of a one leader government nightmare that you know I don't want to get into , but yeah , so this is the intention behind Green Goblin Seeds is , how do we help to build this space where we're actually bringing people together and doing that in community , where we get to have fun and learn how to embody in that space ?

Cause again , for instance , I always pull out this example , but it's one that you know , I think , a lot of us understand Instagram shadow bans me for talking about a natural plant that somehow they've convinced , or you know , they're convinced is not able to be had on certain imaginary lines but other imaginary lines is fine .

So , as a result , I get shadow banned for that . Well , for me , that's unacceptable . Well , for me , that's unacceptable . At the end of the day , why are platforms like Instagram having to go plants ? Well , that one would go out of business , you know .

And so the problem is there's just not enough of these communities yet , of these , you know , decentralized food avenues where you can get food Like I buy all my food through the Amish now , and all this kind of stuff .

And to me it's the answer , because if you have a lot of these things happening , you know if one has an issue one year with a harvest or something , maybe they get PM or something happens . Well , it's okay .

You have a bunch of other ones right , and I think that's part of the challenge that a lot of dispensaries go through is that there's so many fucking rules that go into . You know the industry , especially here in Boston . You know there's some places that are a lot better , but you know again , if people lose one harvest , their entire business could go under .

And so talk about you know why people are , you are choosing a fumigate or use these very damaging things , it's like because their whole livelihood depends on it . You know , and so there's obviously a lot you know in there that we can decouple , and you know , of course it's never as easy as just saying that's the answer and that'll be it .

Right , we got to work to create these things , but what I know full well and good is that you guys are really doing amazing work and I'm so excited to be behind what you guys are doing and to feature you guys on the show . I can't believe we've already gone an hour . I'm going to have to get you guys back on for part two , three and beyond .

But I want to make sure I give you guys ample opportunity to tell people where they can connect with both of you individually , if you'reable individually .

I know patrick gray on the woods most of the time , so you might not have internet , but where they can find green goblin seeds is the website up yet and anything that they can , you know , follow to keep up to date with all the amazing things you guys got going on .

Because if I you know , if I know you guys well enough already , I know that you know green goblin seeds is going to continue to expand and expand and expand into things that maybe aren't even alive in you right now , but are going to continue to become alive at the right time and in the right place .

So where can people go to find you and stay connected and , you know , go on this journey with you guys of Green Goblin Seeds and beyond .

Um , I believe it's just at green goblin or green goblin seats . I don't think there's a the tag there .

I'll let you guys both go so you can each give your own answer if you want to . That would allow them to use the proper discernment and understanding of whether or not psychedelics or cannabis are right for them at this moment in their lives . What's the one piece of advice you would give them ?

Shout out to Paul Cech oh yeah , so you know , like , take care of the baseline first , then that will allow for a different opening when it comes to psychedelics , and if the container isn't strong , the psychedelic can blow you away . I mean , it's the mind and the body are inextricably linked , and so that's the most baseline level type of advice .

The next step up is really just not everybody needs it , everybody needs a confrontation , everybody needs a reckoning with our own creations . If you will , if it feels like life is stale , if it feels like you need a shake up , it might be worth at the very least understanding what cannabis , what microdosing can do , what microdosing can do .

Committing to a full dose of anything is an absolute necessity , but that I could say that staleness , if it feels like there's a bit of a hard stony patina hanging on you , then the microdosing and going gently into these spaces where you can explore yourself more will start to loosen it and allow for that exploration to happen in a way that the body can handle

it and the mind can handle it without coming undone . Then from there you know , if you can handle it , then you feel that staleness and you're ready to to take a big leap . There can be massive benefits from , from psychedelic use and if you haven't done it before , do it with real practitioners . Real practice , do real research .

Don't just listen to your buddy on Instagram or some dude that hits you up in a back alley and is like bro , we had a sick ayahuasca circle up in the building . No , don't , just don't . So that's where I land with that .

And , guys , wherever you are in the world , I hope you are having the best day . Make sure you go . Follow Green Goblin Seeds on Instagram . Make sure you check out ggccom . We'll link it all in the show notes for you guys . Keep it in one place , easy peasy . But until next time , everybody , may the source be with you and have the best day ever .

Much love .