Ep. 188: Why Choosing To Get Uncomfortable Equips You For Psychedelic Experiences (feat. Taylor Budd)

On this One Time on Psychedelics If there's one thing I've learned in the realm of psychedelic medicines , it's that it really helps to have a solid foundation of spiritual practices before connecting with these medicines .

The truth is that much of what we face in these experiences is going to be challenging , and by allowing yourself to tap into modalities such as breathwork and fasting , for instance , beforehand , you prime yourself with the necessary experience to handle these challenges and come out seeing them happening for you rather than to you .

Today's guest on the show is a man who , along with having an incredible spiritual foundation from which he teaches and trains from , is no stranger to challenging experiences within the realm of psychedelic medicines , and in this episode we dive right into some of these experiences , what he's learned as a result of them , how breathwork and fasting have supported him in

these experiences , and much , much more . So please help me in giving a big hand to my man , taylor Budd , as I welcome him onto the show . Taylor Budd , my brother , dude , I am super excited to be here with you today .

You know , as I said in the intro , finding people that like so many of the same things I do that are near and dear to my heart is not commonplace in my life .

And so when I find someone who's into so many different things I'm into breathwork , fasting , psychedelics , comedy as well you know I think that one of the challenges within the self-develop , development or healing space , we'll call it , is people taking themselves too seriously . So I love , you know , comedy . It really allows us to come lighthearted .

But you know , before we dive into all these different topics , man , how did you first get interested in the realm of , say , psychedelic living ? Because everything you're doing , like even though fasting isn't considered a psychedelic medicine , it fucking psychedelic in nature , right .

So , like , how did someone like taylor , who's from new jersey , right up my neck of the woods right in the northeast , end up being interested in everything you're interested in now psychedelic states , psychedelic reality , etc . Man , how'd that start for you ?

You know , I was like man , this is gonna make me so , having me having so much more clarity to play quarterback and my identity was so wrapped around being a quarterback . So like that ego I kind of led me into like a brick wall . That kind of was great , though you know I couldn't carry it through , but it definitely I think it gave me some structure .

You know , um , as far as like just playing football and stuff was like you know you got a regimented lifestyle , you know it's where you have a discipline , you know create like a vehicle to a work ethic , to like move forward in some direction .

So , like once I got into fasting and veganism and different you know states of being , I guess you could say it gave me like a good reference point as far as like measuring progress , and so I mean , I guess , honestly , I guess I got into it for the wrong reasons , but in the end it was the right reasons . I don't know .

There are some things it picks up Now , albeit the reason behind it might be toxic , damaging , whatever , but it gives us that kickstart and if it weren't for that kickstart , we may have never found psychedelics or the other things that can help us perform better .

Because for me it was very similar , Like when I was around 20 , I had had my first mortality crisis where I started peeing blood one day , didn't know what happened , and it really woke me up to like , hey , my choices in life with regards to my health really matter . So I started getting into , you know , exercise bodybuilding for all the wrong reasons , right .

Jersey Shore was out during that time so , like you know , I was like well , they get a lot of women , I want big muscles too . But I'm fortunate that I got into it at all . Right , because even though it might not have been the best reason or the healthiest reason , I grew into a healthier reason .

You know , over time I realized bodybuilding wasn't actually like for me personally where I enjoyed working out the most , but it did allow me to shape my physique , realize that my decisions have power . I wasn't a victim in life . I had the opportunity to change my life , but I didn't like it .

And so it's really cool how those things , when you look back in hindsight , you're like , damn , thank goodness my ego did attach onto that , because it kind of gave me the foundation from which I could then build upon . You know , it's really cool , yeah , yeah , I .

So I guess it's just like giving you a relative challenge and you're like okay , this is what you consider to be healthy , whether it's like eating fish or eating chicken or whatever and then you like cycle into vegetarianism or something . And then now your whole you know cause .

I think the more that she goes through that process of eliminate , elimination and getting rid of things that you thought you needed , the more you're like all right , what else don't I , what else can I move , move on without ? And then you know , I guess you just make more you know relative decisions at that point you know cause .

More space has revealed itself and with that space , not only does it allow more space for my higher self and Holy Spirit , right minded thinking , to come into my frame of reference , but it also allows me to just not have as much pressure .

I think that and we've heard this a million times , but we grew up in a world , especially in the Western world , where we're told that , hey , you just need a new car and then you'll be happy . You just need a bigger house and you'll be happy .

You just need the new smart refrigerator and then you'll be happy , right , and yeah , that shit will rent the hell out of your happiness . Let's be real . Right , it'll rent the absolute hell out of it , but it does not actually lead to true joy .

You know , happiness is just a state , it's an ever-changing state , whereas joy , I really believe , is our innate state of being , and the way we get back to joy is we stop having so many components in our life , or at least that's one aspect of it .

Again , the why , the purpose , that definitely is part of it too , but you know , kind of downsizing is a big part of it .

I always say that , like you know , if you have a metaphorical backpack on and you're looking to like , oh , let me put more stuff in there , most of us never think to ask or I'll make it personal I for time didn't think to ask well , what's already in the backpack ? Do I still need all of this ?

And then , metaphorically , right when you open up , you're like cinder blocks who put these in there . Right , and that's kind of the illustrate all the things that we keep on us , the limiting beliefs , the unconscious stories , etc . That end up just weighing us down and stopping us from reaching our full potential .

But yeah , we got to subtract before we add , for sure , man yeah , I think that like it's , it's just not , it's not realistic .

It's almost like you know drinking coffee all the time you just got a bunch of false energy time . It's almost like you know drinking coffee all the time you just got a bunch of false energy . If you get , if your happiness is ruled by external things , then it's just no different than coffee .

Like you know , okay , I got this thing , I got the next thing , I got the next girl , I got the whatever . Next thing is , everything is just objectified , like happiness is just an object , so then it can be lost by you know , the external , the external world yeah , yeah and you know , like the external , the external world .

You know , because they're like , they're polar opposites but they are on the same spectrum .

And I think that's one of the most beautiful aspects of life and one of the reasons I love hermetics as much as I do , is because you realize that there really is a state that you can get to when you become like unfuck , withable , right , where your state of being is not dependent on whatever sensations or emotions or thoughts are rising through you .

You're able to have that juxtaposition where you can see like , oh , I'm not the emotions , I'm not the thoughts , etc . I experienced them , I enjoy when there's ones that are really euphoric or , you know , really amazing . But also , you know , in a lot of ways deep sadness is beautiful too , because why do we get sad ?

Well , it means it's something that really mattered to us , something we had meaning of , was lost or changed , etc . And I think that you know , if we can find the beauty in all of those things , we start to realize , just like Joseph Campbell stated , that bliss is any emotion felt all the way through .

You know , and so I love that example , man , because it is so true , like for many years I'll make it personal again I rode that dopamine roller coaster . You know , just like the next hit , the next hit , and it was just constant , you know , absolutely constant . And what I've realized is that by slowing down you can actually speed up quite a bit .

And it sounds counterintuitive , but I've learned that lesson innumerable times in my life and I still play the , you know , hot stove game every once in a while . Let me try drinking a shot of espresso and then one becomes two , and the next day I'm like , oh , I should do that again . And I'm like , no , got to get off this roller coaster again .

just doubt . You know it's a lot of doubt in the system . You know it's a lack of will in the system that hasn't been realized to its fullest potential . You know , like the will isn't like fully inhabited in the body .

So then you know all of that , all of those voids , I guess you could say , are just going to manifest as different forms of doubt , whether it be a fear or anxiety . It's all like fear , anger , it's all . It's all that's just fear . So it's like that's always going to be available .

You know you can always identify with doubt and and I guess , yeah , like once you , you know , get in touch with the real likeness of , of your will , of your true self or what have you , yeah , you , just you have a different value system .

So it's , it's just like , do I really want this fleeting experience or do I want to sustain contentment and to really have control over just my will ultimately ? Because I mean , if you're , if you just can say I've done , like what you're saying , I've done that as well .

You know where I'm just , whether it's like one girl to the next girl , or one hit to the next hit , or whatever it is , it's like I'm , you know I'm , I'm doubting so much in my life , like it's like the fear of missing out . I guess where you're like I don't know if I'm gonna get another one . I don't know if I'm gonna get another opportunity .

It's like same , why people , same way people fear death . They're like I'm not living right , so I fear this . You know , I don't know if I'm gonna get another opportunity . I don't know if I'm gonna see a girl like this again . So you know you're not taking care of yourself . So then , like your whole perspective changes . Like you're like man .

I know I'm destroying myself . So will I ever be at this state again ? Or you know , or . And then it's just the fear of growth as well . You know , like it's fear is a fear is your mother man . Fear is crazy it is , bro .

You know , for me personally , I'd love to ask you after to have this showed up for you , but for me it was . You know , and again , like , fear is something that still pops up . But the ability to look beyond it and realize , like okay , just like an ice bath , right .

Like when I get in an ice bath , if I can just understand it's going to be fucking cold , it's going to be uncomfortable , and that's part of it , then it's not as shocking to me , right .

Like , because I think for me , a lot of the time , we'll use the ice bath as a real world example , you know , like when you're with your boys and you know you're all like , you know , jokingly flexing , like it's going to be easy , right , and that makes it more challenging when it gets in and it's actually hard .

And so what I've found is that , like , realizing like hey , it's okay , I can have a relationship with fear . I can feel it right and I can also not believe in it . I can also not let it dictate my reality . But to the degree that I go through life thinking like I'm never going to feel fear again , then when I feel it , it's so . Much .

More damaging is now I'm building an identity around this person that never feels fear , which is just completely silly anyway . But but you know , being able to have a relationship with that fear , I think , is extremely important , because it's kind of like the same idea is you know , would Luke Skywalker have ever become Luke Skywalker without Darth Vader ?

You know , he didn't ignore Darth Vader . He didn't , you know , think that Darth Vader had no power . He just knew that he was coming from love and so he would ultimately win . But it was going to be a test , you know , quite a big test . And it's the same with fear .

Like I'm grateful for fear because it allows me , over and over , to choose love in the moment and show myself over and over that I can face hard things and still continue to move forward , but at the same time , you know , fear things and still continue to move forward , but at the same time , you know , fear stopped me in my tracks for many years , as it

does for many people . And I'm curious for you , man , like what did it look like in your life when you were maybe in a fear state and you started to be able to move past that ? Were psychedelics a part of it ? Did that come later on ?

Like what did that process of being able to move past fear and have this relationship with fear that you have now , where you're able to move past fear and have this relationship with fear that you have now where you're able to exist with it ?

Yeah , man , um , like you said it , you said it well earlier , talking about you know , once you realize that you're not the thoughts and you're not the emotions , I think that , like just having the discernment for what is sensuality like , like you were saying about , like experience and fear or whatever , like it's like it's there to let you know , like that it's

time to be brave , it's just like . It's just like temptation is there , you know , to let you know , like it's time to be , you know , content and be steadfast and everything . So it's like to try to fight . It makes it so much worse .

It's like if you walk through a flea market or something or somewhere where they're cooking onions or something , and you're like no , I don't smell those onions , it's like it's coming through , it's flowing through you . It's just sensuality , like if your body is sensing some sort of energy or some sort of , you know , passing , a chemical experience .

So like I think that the more that I got in touch with the breath definitely helped , I mean .

And then you know , I guess you always have those different points of reference to kind of to use , you know , things that happen in your life , whether you witness people exhibit bravery , or different times in your life where you didn't even think twice and you just acted in the way . That was just of that .

So I had , like , I guess , a bunch of stored up virtue or backlogged experiences , like early in my life . But you know , like in my youth , to where , like I , when I was , it came time to to do make adult decisions , and like it had some reference to translate some of those uh , behaviors . You know not to say that like I've completely figured it out .

I just think that I , the more that I got in touch with the breath , the more that I started to study um , I guess you could call it metaphysics or whatever you know , sacred geometry , the body , it's , it's such a loaded way .

You know it's hard because it's holistic , but like just studying , I guess , the likeness of will , or the likeness of the originator , the creator , whatever , and how , the how we reflect that as individuals .

Like the more I got in touch with that I was made in , the likeness of something that is never disturbed , the more that I can get in touch with that and stay in alignment or having some point of reference to that , whether it's like some people use affirmations , some people use prayer , some people use talismansans , whatever , just for them to to re-center , so

that they can , so they can pierce that void , that , uh , that that fear , and and kind of see beyond the , the duality of um success and failure , I think that's like so much of it . You know , like we get caught up . It's like the it's a perfect verse in the taute ching . We're saying like which is more dangerous , you know , success or failure ?

And I think that we just get caught up and you know , I guess , our subjective perceptions of what success and failure is , instead of just taking one step at a time and and just um , taking care of ourselves and just staying patient and but at the time , you know , taking advantage of all the opportunities that we've been given , because it's like , if you're not ,

the fear is like really abundant . The more that you squander , I think , the less that you squander opportunities to grow and take care of yourself . Then I feel like when fear arises , you're like all right , that's just part of the game . You know that's just going to be there .

But I'm not identifying with that because I know I did what it takes , like if you did the work to get something . If somebody you know arises or some challenge arises to try to take that away from you like , no , this is rightfully mine , based on what I put in , and there's no need for me to fear .

I just have right now it's like part of like what you're saying the challenge to see it through and complete the task .

You know , the idea that just popped through to me is it's kind of like people that build a successful business and over time and they start to learn a lot about business and they end up making a lot of money , versus like a lottery winner , right , you'll notice the energetics in those two people are very different , because the lottery winner is going to have a

lot more fear because they just had a lot of money come into them , but if they lose it , they don't really believe they're ever going to be able to get that amount of money back , whereas like a high level business owner I've heard Gary V talk about this , tom Bill , you , etc .

You know they'll say , like , if everything got taken away from me tomorrow , like , yeah , I'd probably be frustrated and annoyed , but I know I could build it back again because I understand the system that will get me back there .

So when you were talking about success and fear and like which one is more dangerous , you know like for me , both of them are equally dangerous , because we're talking about polarity , right , and at the end of the day , the true path I feel is the middle way , right , that's what Buddha and all these non-dualists you know speak of , is like , hey , what about the

middle way here ? Right , not too much , not too little , right , perfectly , in that sweet spot , you know , in that perfect zone .

And I think that you know in our world today we see a lot of polarity , right , right or left , no one in the middle being like , well , maybe they both , I mean they don't have much good ideas on either side , but let's just pretend they did Right . But , like you know , everything is black or white .

You know , and we understand through hermetics , and you know the down , all these different , you know spiritual systems , or just you know't maybe experienced enough . Yet we're a newer soul , or however you want to put it in language that anyone could understand . We may think it's really fun to do that , like .

I always kind of come up with the analogy of if you're a kid and you see a snow globe , what's really fun about it ? Cause and effect . Let's shake this thing up and see what happens . Maybe we break it .

There's like a phase of life where we wanted to shake shit up , but as we get older we start to appreciate more the image that's only seen in the snow globe if we allow the snow in there to settle , and I think that , like , neither one is good or bad , it's just , you know , difference .

And I think , at the end of the day , variety being the spice of life , I think that's really what we're here to experience and and you know , I forget who said this but to be messy , to color outside the lines , and that's you know for me why I've enjoyed psychedelics so much .

Because just when you think , like dude , I can do mushrooms , they will fucking check you . You know , lsd will check you . These things demand almost a middleweight type thing , like , yes , the last time I did it may have been very enjoyable , but I'm not going to , you know , assume that the next time is going to be the same thing .

You know , having that ability to go well , maybe like the Taoist farmer , right , maybe ? You know that story is one of my favorites , you know , and you know it's just like . It really illustrates this idea of like we don't know , we don't know until we know it , and even then we don't really know it , right ?

So , like , let's just be humble and be able to really follow our hearts and see where that heart leads us and , along the way , as long as we're doing something that feels in alignment with our heart , like you're doing with breath , work and even semi-pro football and all the things you really love .

You know , as long as you follow that path , you're going to have opportunities to dive more into fear and dive more into love and be able to get closer and closer to that middle way of just finding peace within the middle . You know is what I found , anyway .

Maybe I could run a marathon , maybe I could build a house . And I think that just comes with just not letting atrophy set in , because a guy wins a lottery , he doesn't have those . It's so much atrophy in his life .

As far as the business world , there's no means of managing the money , there's no vehicles to manage the money , and it's like same thing like with an asset or mushroom experience , like you could be at the top of your game , or relatively so , when you took it the last time , but say you slacked off or maybe you just haven't been paying attention as much .

And you know , just because you won the championship a year ago doesn't mean you're going to automatically get it this year .

So it's like it just it'll check you because you you got , you maybe don't have the avenues or the , the you haven't been doing the , the work to where you can handle that , that type of chemical experience and the energy that is going to bring .

You know , by opening the channels like that in your body , you might not be able to you contain it , or I mean not contain it or even experience it , because you know you just haven't been , you just haven't been on it . Man , I think it's we get ahead of ourselves , I think you know .

I mean it's just , you think that it's kind of like that one expression where it's like you know you do it once right . You know people think the novice does it once right and they think that they're professional and the professional , you know , does it till he can't do it wrong .

And I think that's kind of like the , the type of care that you know we need to have with everything you know , I mean especially with comedy . I see that with comedy , like you know , you sometimes you do a club and it's packed in there and there's a lot of energy for you to go and kill him .

Then you go into a club and it's not that many people in there , but you have to keep the same professionalism for that situation . Or you know you could , you know you could really damage your , uh , your own experience of yourself .

You know , like yeah , dude you know there's been times , yeah , well , like you know I do , I do a lot of shrooms and you know , and I'll get through that , and you know , and I'll get through that , and then you know , I'll just assume that I can take that amount later and it's like it's a lot tougher .

It's like the drug Olympics in ways , right , which is always funny to me how , like you know a lot of people , when I was growing up and getting into psychedelics about 10 years ago , you know they'd always say like , hey , just try it your first time at a music festival .

And I'm like that's like saying like , hey , your first time skiing , just go to a double black diamond , dude , no worries .

You know , like it's almost like starting at like the crux of the most challenging experience you can possibly have , other than , like you know , taking a fat dose at a funeral or something like I'm sure there are some more challenging experiences jail or like doing it in there . I imagine would be worse .

But you know , a lot of times like people will kind of start doing psychedelics from this like insanely challenging place . And I'm curious for you , man , because because whenever I talk to other people that are who I would describe as highly optimized which is my business name that's what I call like really absolute gangsters .

But whenever I talk to someone who's obviously got their physical , emotional , mental and spiritual well-being in check and they're working on it actively and they're really passionate around it and they also connect with psychedelics , which for me is no shock whatsoever , but to the view of the mainstream it's like wait , those things don't go together .

You practice health and you do psychedelics and you know connect with cannabis or anything like that . I love decoupling and breaking this stigma and so whenever I have someone like you on , I love to ask man like what do you feel in your own life the connection between health and wellness ?

Like , what do you feel in your own life the connection between health and wellness ? And you could also lump self-development in there and also psychedelics are like how do you see those things linking together ? Do you see them linking perfectly ? Like is it even weird to even ask it in your world ? Like I'm curious how you see it .

But , um , yeah , and I , I think , man , I mean , it's something that's got to be done with great care . I think at one time , people really had great respect for these things and at the same time , I guess it could go either way .

I've just seen people have really bad experiences and I , you know , like , from my opinion , though , I think that , yeah , people should have , you know , a great care .

Maybe some people will go into it with no care and then they get the smack down and they learn a lot from that and maybe it'll be great for them , you know , ultimately , but I mean from I've seen , uh , one time I did acid with this woman and I feel like she I don't know where she's at now , yo , but I don't know if she ever came down .

I , I , you know , and at one point I was like I want that shit . That makes me never come down . Where's that shit ?

So I was like , hey , you do some acid . I've been doing acid , you want to ? I've been doing this kind of regularly , probably too regularly . You want to try some acid ? You know , and like , yeah , man , so you want to try acid . You know , and like , yeah , man , I .

So she did acid , she had a bad trip , and then , like I'd seen her a few months later and I could tell like she never really recovered . And then next thing , I know she was , you know she was in an insane asylum .

So I was like , damn man , I wish I was never , I wish I never offered that to her , though ultimately so I'm like man , I I don't , I can't . It's really something that's specific from person to person , based on the work they've done within themselves .

And so I mean it's like I guess , like anything right , the dosage is everything , because , you know , the dosage is like what they say , like it's not medicine , it's not poison or medicine , it's the dose that determines . I've always heard like what they say , like it's not medicine , it's not poison or medicine , it's the dose that determines .

And so I I mean , I don't know , I was just being reckless , and so I never had an experience like that .

I definitely had experiences with with , uh , abusing acid , where I would , you know , I just have too much confidence and I would get into other things , but I never had an experience where I thought that like I was never going to come down , you know , and I kind of , and I don't know , maybe maybe she's OK now , maybe she's a better person , I just don't

know . I've lost contact and everything . So I think I've seen people really shift in great ways and myself I've seen like a lot of you know , a lot of you know help from psychedelics .

But at the same time I think people should use caution and really do the work and like really get into breath , work and fasting and , you know , eliminating toxins from their body before they do it so that they can , you know , manage it better . But maybe that doesn't work for some people . Maybe some people need to just dive off into the deep end .

I don't know man .

It's a pretty similar experience from strain to strain or from time to time , especially if we're talking the same strain . You know , again , you can't really describe it , you can never remember it fully . When I'm there I'm like this feels pretty similar to last time , you know , but with lsd , on the other hand , it's really just like a coin flip .

You know whether or not I'm going to be laughing , whether or not I'm going to be like god . What was my name ? You know , and I've never been freaked out necessarily like I've , and it was an experience .

I've told it probably 100 times in the show , so I won't tell whole thing , but my cousin and I accidentally ate like 50 or 60 hits of L at one time through liquid because it was recrystallizing .

Just shit happens right when you are goofballing young and you know , during that experience you know there was a part of me that wanted to be afraid , but there was a much wiser part of me that was like you lost that ability a long time ago . Like you were on this ride you're taking it . There's no going back .

The only option is just to fucking go full , send into it , or something challenging may happen , like you might never come back , or whatever . And so during that experience I remember thinking like I wonder , like , because I didn't know how much , I really didn't know what happened , I just knew something got metrically fucked up , you know .

And when I was there , there there was a thought of like I have work in two days , am I gonna be like home in two days ? Like am I gonna be back ? Like .

But it wasn't a fear , it was more of just like a genuine question of like I'm pretty fucking far out right now , like I can't even form words right now , like I'm not even a human being , I'm just soaring in the stars .

We stared at the stars all night for like 12 hours , but it took me like about two days to come down fully , but in the normal amount of time , like 10 hours , I was like a human again . I just you could tell I was getting tracers and things like that , but it was very interesting for sure .

But yeah , like number one thing for me is always like if you realize you went too far , just surrender and get as safe as you possibly can . You know , obviously all the number one rules apply , which is like don't do it in the wrong setting to begin with , make sure you know what you're getting , make sure you test it , yada , yada , yada .

But every once in a while something just happens and so like the quickest thing I always say to do is like find the earth , lay on the earth somewhere safe and just stare up at the stars or the sky and just wait it out .

I mean , I think that , like , ultimately you need , like it's you're going to reach a threshold , like um , like the law of diminishing replies type thing , where you , because you only have so much dopamine and so much serotonin in the system , it's like you take a bunch but then it's like your body's like , look , we got no more to throw at this .

So , hey , this is as good . As you know , this is the peak . There's no more peak past this peak . Like so because , like you know , you really have to have the ingredients inside of you .

You know , because I feel like , especially with DMT , you know , you know , I've seen people do DMT before 29 and their experiences are vastly different than people that do it after 29 , especially if it's like their first time , I think , and the brain's not really the prefrontal lobes not really completed , like 25 , you got a better chance 25 on .

But like after 29 , I feel like , because I talk to people that do it real young and I'm like man , you , I guess you didn't , you know you didn't really break through like that and I've seen them take , you know , pretty major hits and I'm like , damn , I guess it you're , you just don't have the ingredients yet to really get that .

You know that experience like you could like and I don't know if it ruins it for people , I don't know but I think that you , like , you have to have that access in a sense .

I guess you could say , like you have to have like fully inhabited that part of your body , like fully develop it , develop the prefrontal lobe , and you know you get in touch with it .

You know you're doing breath work , you know you you're actually dreaming , and then you know you do DMT or whatever , and then I think then it's like you're getting a real full experience to where you know you got all the ingredients to respond , because ultimately , like that's kind of like well , the drug is just like causing the body to release stuff and that's

the experience , like that's like the beginning of the detox is the hallucination , it's like this is just the beginning of detoxing . The detox is the hallucination , is like this is just the beginning of detoxing . So you know , if you have a lot of endorphins on hand , then it's going to be a big contrast .

And then obviously you know if you have a big rush of endorphins and and then you go through your process of recovering those endorphins , process of recovering those endorphins and you know , if you continue to smoke or you continue to do something and the endorphins aren't replenished , then it's like a law of diminishing reply , like you're not really pulling , filling

up the gas tank , so you never really get as far as you could . And that's why I think that , like , it's all got to be appropriated based on , like , the way you take care of your body . You know , because I don't know , I could , I I'm one time I did dmt with my mom , you know , and like I could never and I could never get her to do dmt sober .

You know she never would do it sober , but she was drunk one night and I was like fuck it , let's just , you know , do some dmt with me .

And then like , and I and she had a good experience , you know , I think it was good , you know , based on she had done lsd , like in the 70s and stuff , but based on what she described , I think it was it was okay experience . But yeah , if she was sober , if her endorphins were together , she was fasting prior to like .

Like people that you know when they go on ayahuasca retreats and stuff , you know you prepare for it and then you do it where you're really ready , you're really prepared , and then you get like the full effect and then then I think that that curves the , the desire to want to perpetually do it .

Then I think you'd be like I'm only doing it when it's time , you know , instead of all the time yeah , dude 100 .

You know , like I'm sure it could , but like , at the end of the day , like it's not like a , a plus b equals c type thing , yeah , you know again , have there been times in my life , when I was 23 and first started connecting with mushrooms , that I would do them once a week for a month and a half ? Yeah , I did that .

Was it good or bad , I don't know . It worked out okay for me . Would I recommend it to others ? No , but you know , and do I regret doing it ? No , at the same time , but I think at the . You know a very other thing too , like you know , especially when it comes to medicines like mdma or anything .

Like you know , even lsd to a certain degree as well , but especially mdma . You know how many people just don't know , like , hey , you're really not supposed to do that that often . You know , like , if you want to supply , if you want to really keep the magic alive , you know , no more than like once every three months . Now again , have I broken that rule ?

Yes , I have . Would I do it again ? No , did I learn from it ? Yes , right , so I'm not speaking from a holier than got into other psychedelics . I was 23 . So I was already on my holistic health kick and was very aware that my decisions and my actions really matter in the grand scheme of my experience and quality of life .

But at the same time I used to witness a lot of what I would consider questionable life choices when I was at clubs when I was 19 . I would luckily , at that point , just have a couple beers , maybe smoke some cannabis , and I would watch people just eat random crystals off people's hands .

You know again , not my life , not my monkey , not my circus , but you know things that I knew . I didn't want to choose for me , but very grateful that I got to see those things because they allowed me to make choices that were more in alignment with me personally in my own discernment . Yeah , you know , it's funny .

I have a friend who I won't mention his name because I don't know if this is legal technically , but but he was able to get his hands on two Sonoran desert toads and has a whole area for them and the first time he ever scraped them I don't know the proper term , but essentially extracted medicine from them and they have .

They live the fucking life , dude , like . He takes such good care of them , he's very well off , so they live a fucking amazing life . They have an entire room .

But basically my girlfriend , uh , was down there at the time where he got the first extraction and it was her , her friend who they were completely sober , they might have connected with a little cannabis but no drinking , and then he had had quite a few drinks and was like all right , I'll try it too , along with his buddy , and from what it sounded like I

wasn't there and obviously I'm not them . So I can't tell you the experience exactly . But you know she and her friend had a drastically different experience and a deeper and stronger experience than this gentleman and his friend .

You know , again , like , as someone who , fortunately , alcoholics has never worked for , I'm always like so perplexed when people combine alcohol with psychedelics . I'm like what ? Like why do you want to get a stomachache ? I mean , I get for some people . I guess it works or whatever .

But but it is amazing how like you can get more courage with alcohol right , a lot of people can to do psychedelics such a slippery slope , especially with dmt . Like we're not talking to grandma mushrooms you know , we're talking like the most powerful lucent on planet earth dude yeah , man , I mean um that , you know that was my thing .

And then , and then , as I went on , I was like , all right , fuck it , I'll have some , I have some white claws , right . Then I got to get like like like 16 white claws in , you know .

You know , then they were drinking dark and light and everything , and I'm like , oh man , so yeah , and then I couldn't go to sleep and I and I , you know , I threw up . The next morning . I was like , yeah , nah , that's enough . So I laid off . I've laid off since it's been like two years since I've done acid . It'll be two years this new year's .

But yeah , man , I feel like , yeah , alcohol is this crazy man . And like I've done mushrooms and drank before once as well , and I threw up that time too . So I haven't really seen good results from mixing the two .

But , um , yeah , man , and and then , and then , when it comes to mushrooms too , I think that the worst experience for me with mushrooms is just I would cry . You know , I don't know , I don't know what acid cause . I asked it . I mean , I remember like one time , you know , I had to lock a chick in a room .

You know , I had to sleep on the door in there with her , like no , you can't leave . You know , she was just in there on some like rain man shit . She was doing math and going pacing and stuff and I was like , oh man , I hope she's not broken , you know . So , you know , I think that , yeah , like it's different from me . You definitely you know .

I think that , yeah , like it's different from me . You definitely , I guess , want to climb the ladder , but I don't know , man , how did you do it ? Did you start with just shrooms ? I started with salvia . That was the first , I guess psychedelic , I think I did .

But you know , when I was like 15 , salvia got really big and I had a friend who , like at that age , was always the one that was like smoke weed , do this , do that , and I would kind of just watch from afar . No , I'm good , you know , but I'll hang out with you while you do it .

And and for whatever reason I don't know how the fuck they talked me into doing salvia , of all things , but maybe it was because it was from a smoke shop , it wasn't illegal . I was like , oh , what's the worst that could happen ? Right , worst question to ask with psychedelics . So I think we did like 15 or 20x , it wasn't like .

I mean , I've heard it goes up to like 100x . But yeah , it was the most weirdest experience in my life . I ripped a bong of salvia and the next thing thing I knew I was waking up . I was in a car when I did it .

Not driving , we were parked in a driveway at my parents' house , but it was my buddy's dad's Suburban , so it was like seven seats , and so we were all like in there . I don't know why I have my seatbelt on , but I did . When I woke up , I had apparently been trying underneath the front seat and my friends are all laughing at me .

For me I was an orb just floating through space and I saw this big blimp , and I'm not even a sports fan , but it was near the super bowl and I'm in boston , so , patriots , you know how that thing goes .

And so I remember , in this dream I was having , it was just this pink sky with a blimp and there was a big tv on there , and I was convinced this blimp had stolen my parents' TV and I was going to get in trouble . So I was like , trying to reach out with no hands . I was just an orb and like grab this TV .

And I kept being like , come on , give me that TV back . And then I woke up and was like what the fuck was that ? What was that I just did ? So that was my experience , man . What was yours like ?

Yeah , yeah , man , because every time I've done it I always do a second and then the person has a crazy trip in front of me and then I end up just laughing so hard at them while I start the trip and then I just remember I always just felt like I couldn't breathe because I was laughing and at some point I get so like everything starts to spin and like

fold up .

So then I'm like , oh , like , cause like one time I did it in Amsterdam and I was with a guy and he hit the shit before me and we're just sitting at his dinner table and he , you know , he had posters on the wall and he just started , I guess , thinking they were looking at him or something , and he started flipping out , knocking the chairs and table over

, and I had hit it and I'm like I just started laughing . I was like y'all , I'm gonna die from laughter if I don't make it to this couch and the couch just felt so far away . I remember like when I got to the couch , like I I didn't really know up and down kind of .

At that point I just I remember feeling like I don't know , I don't remember how to breathe , I'm gonna die , and then like , and then just kind of gradually coming to and then and then just being mad hungry , having the crazy munchies off of the top .

of just feel like you're like you're in someone else's skin . It's a really weird feeling , but I remember that was the feeling I felt after and I was not a fan . That was the only time I ever did salvia dude .

But funnily enough , dude , one of the kids in my cannabis mastermind recently found a guy who's like the salvia shaman , who apparently has this whole tech for this specific pipe you smoke out of .

He sells it and my buddy got it and apparently when you dose it properly and you do like a micro dose of it , you can really go far in meditation and it's amazing . So just recently he told me about that . He came down to visit when I hosted a retreat and he was like dude , it's actually amazing .

Like you know , apparently we probably just overdosed the shit out of it when we did it , but there's a real way to use it , you know .

And so I , you know , it just kind of forces me to . I already wanted to .

I already been doing breath work to prime my body , to receive the experience , and then , once it's starting to kick in and my , you know , all that blood is in my brain from the breath work anyway , it's so it's so much more vivid and then , like I just stay there , stay and put , I have like I feel like my patience is just so much more , it's like immense

. When I do acid and shrooms and that's like the first time I did acid , I was like so scared of never coming down , you know , because , like a lot of people telling me , like you know , you never , you never come down , you know , you go crazy . And I didn't know , you know .

So I was like , damn , I'm just going to make sure I do just lay here and do breath work the whole time and I just remember feeling like that was two hours , that was three hours , and then just looking at the clock like damn , that was so easy to just rip off a couple hours . Three hours of breath work .

And so I'm like , give me two more tabs , give me two more tabs , and I'm just doing , I'm like , I'm like beat . I thought I could like beat the system . You know it's like , and uh , yeah , so I felt like it's for me , it's .

I think it's great for that , to show you that you can hold the breath and in certain respects , like for , like you know , greater , with greater form and for greater amounts of time , like because minutes just go , I hold the breath and I'll be forgetting , like damn , I've been holding the breath this long .

I got to exhale and then , you know , it just feels like , so I don't know just so intense the breath work on the psychedelics . And then when I did DMT the very first time , I did a bunch of breath work . I did like 40 days on just liquid before .

So give , take a few days and then I felt like it really helped me in my experience , because the guy I was doing it with , like he ended up throwing up I never threw up off it , but like I don't think he was taking care of himself the same and so we did it together and I felt like the experience , like I retained like everything from that , like as much

as I guess you could in in your first experience . I feel like I retained , like most of the time . I feel like , although time kind of felt suspended , I still kind of felt like I could see that it was suspended like , and other times when I would do it I wasn't that , I wasn't as prepared . So it was good experiences , don't get me wrong .

But it kind of came off a lot more cryptic than like a complete hallucination where I'm like immersed in the shit and like I'm in another kind of like , in another place , that's like inside of me , I don't know .

But if you're going to get familiar with breathwork first , because , like , you really realize it in the psychedelic experience , especially when you do breathwork , that at any point , if you get overwhelmed , just relax , just breathe very still and you will start to slow your roll .

And if you feel like you want some more fun , fun , you can just pick up that fucking breath and just shoot off to the fucking planet nebula .

You know like and you know that's something I don't hear talked about enough , I've talked about on the show before but I remember the first time I ripped a fucking strong series of breath work while tripping balls on acid , dude it like . I mean it was so funny , man , we were at a retreat .

Someone , someone there brought liquid and so like 25 of us all dosed and we had just gone through a men's retreat , so we had done combo , cacao , mushrooms , and this was Sunday . So basically we were pretty cleaned out .

A couple of us had fasted for a couple of days before we got there and a couple days while we were there , especially before combo and whatnot , and so we were pretty wide open .

Know , it's a bunch of men that had just gotten together and , you know , cleansed ourselves and done a bunch of coaching work , and then a bunch of other you know men and women showed up . So we do this ceremony . And during it , uh , my my friend asked me hey , can you lead a cannabis ceremony ? And I'm like , all right .

And so at the end of the yoga , my buddy matt was like , hey , I want to do another dose . I'm like , okay , I will too . And so he got the liquid from , uh , the girl that brought it , and he went to go put one dose in my tongue . And he put two . And I was like , fuck . And he was like , I'm going with you , so he puts two , right .

And so then , uh , that was our second and third dose , basically each and uh . And so we start doing this cannabis ceremony , dude , and like 30 minutes into it , the walls are just fully melting . I I'm like , well , god's got this one , dude . And so at the end it went really well . Everyone had a great experience , people are hugging , crying , etc .

So I just decided hey guys , let's , let's send this off and close the circle with a nice , just quick round of breath work . You know , 10 breaths , pull , lock , squeeze , and , just you know , send it off that way .

So I had been doing this type of breath work for , you know , a couple of years now and had never experienced something that I could call like otherworldly . Maybe I wasn't breathing right , who knows what was happening .

But we sit around , we all hold hands , we do this harmonizing OM exercise that Paul Cech taught me , and then we rip around and all of us , all 25 of us , leave our bodies , get slung , shot like up , and then we come back into our bodies and all start laughing at the same time . So we're all like what ? Everyone was like dude , what was that ?

And I'm like guys , I did not plan that , I had no idea that was going to happen . So we did like 25 more rounds and , dude , people were dropping like flies , like they'd come back , and people would be like I'm out . And and I asked a couple of them after , I'm like was it , how far out you went ? Did it get scary ? And they're like no , it was .

How hard it was to get back in , you know , and I there was one time where I came back and it felt like my soul landed like over here , like it was like everything was kind of like wrong , like it was just like this reality that I entered for a split second where everything was up , was down , right , was left , everything was backwards , and then I was like

I didn't even know how to think in that space . And then I'm back and I'm like whoa , what the fuck was that ? That's when I realized I'm like lsd , specifically with breath . Work dude is a crazy ride for real .

The liquid is the best , though , like you were saying , oh yeah , but then , like at that point by the evening , I'm like let's just go to the next , let's hit the dmt while we're still kind of tripping on this acid , you know like however many tabs in , and I felt like the dmt experience was really it . It was almost like getting you know like leg .

You know what is it ? The leg sweep when and then you had , like in a mixed martial arts like that , just knocked off my feet and the experience was vivid . But it was just so cryptic . I felt like it was just not very direct , like I was seeing like random shapes and it was like random . It was just a lot more random than it usually is .

Like it usually the whole process of like entering the trip , the trip , unfolds , I'm in a situation and then I come back , but that was yeah . So what is ? What are your contingency processes for when shit gets like that ? Like I've only had , like I had one mushroom trip where I don't remember a lot of this shit .

Like honestly , it was like yeah , like I blacked out . I guess All I remember was coming to and my dog was next to me . I guess he thought I was dead . He was just like I'm like what the fuck . I forgot that . I even took shrooms for a split second . I forgot Everything . Rushed back , all my memories of my life rushed back . I just started crying .

I got thrown back into my body too fast or something and like I don't know , I got . I've built like different contingency processes and ways to prepare , but like what is your fail safe ? I guess , like you know , I guess you get too far in . There's nothing you can do mechanically . But I mean , like what can you do if you still can see shore ?

You know , I was just tiptoeing back into tobacco because I was a former cigarette smoker and stuff , and just like swore it off and I just started finding out about it and I had done it a couple of times and I was like , okay , like you know , people were like it's going to ground you . I'm like , is that what that does ?

I don't know , I don't really feel it .

But then a time where we had done 5-MeO , like a week before this , and I didn't understand the whole idea of reactivation right , that like with 5 specifically I don't know if it's with NN as well , dmt , but with 5-MeO , if you do any other psychedelic , you know , within like a couple of weeks it could potentially like be way stronger because of that potentiating

factor of 5-MeO . So we did a 10-gram mushroom tea the next weekend between me and Rachel and it just fucking slammed us . Dude Bro , I was talking to the wall . I knew I was talking to the wall , but the wall was alive and I saw my cat in a previous lifetime was my lover Dude .

It was crazy and the whole time I was aware enough to be like this is hilarious . But really , far out and Rachel was like stuck in what we call the waiting room . You know , just the same recurring thought over and over , and that's all she , that's all she was at that point was just a recurring affirmation .

It was let go and trust , you can have whatever you want . She needed to be stuck there for four hours to get it into her subconscious . So it wasn't like anything you know damaging .

But but during that experience I started to be like this is like nutty dude , like I can't even make sense of shit , like I can't even , like I was starting to like tiptoe out of like what's my name , like I don't even , like I can't even have context for the fact I'm a human being anymore .

So I remembered Hoppe and I just went and blasted myself with two shots of Hoppe , one of these nostril and dude , I felt it like . Immediately it was just like my consciousness , if you want to call it that , or the , the mind , the eternal mind , whatever you want to call it came back down to ground level but everything was open .

I could see like where I was before , way up there . I could go over there and look at like different planets . I could connect with other beings . But I didn't have to . I was like just nicely rooted on the ground and that worked really well .

Before I found that out , it was really just like spray and pray dude , you know , just like get as close to the ground as you can so you don't have to worry about falling over like that acid trip I was telling you about . That was kind of how it was like I started . The first .

I couldn't really tell , um , uh , light really got hard because , like you know , if was a , it was dark out when we did this . It was like 10 PM , the silliest time to take that much acid . But but basically , like if there was a flame right From , like a tiki torch , it would light up everything and I couldn't see what the darkness was Like .

I couldn't see like if there was a hole there or anything I was going to fall in . Then , when I got to an area where it was all dark , my depth perception started going an area where it was all dark , my depth perception started going and then I couldn't tell if I was balancing or not .

So for all I knew I was like a millisecond away from just smashing my face on the ground . So during like stuff like that where , like you know , your senses get all weird , you're getting synesthesia , like I was like smelling colors and like tasting sounds , like really weird shit was happening .

All like the voice that kept coming to me was just put your feet in the grass , put your feet in the grass . And this is before I understood about earthing or like anything like that . So for a little while , when I was getting , I was kind of trying to avoid it . I was like why is that coming in ? Like you know , like what's that going to do ?

And it just kept getting louder and louder . No-transcript , we just have to get in the grass . And so we laid a hammock out , one of those you know hammocks like the fabric ones on the ground , and then just laid on the ground . And as soon as I was on the ground , shit just opened up and I had the best experience .

But usually that is like my number one thing get as close to the ground as you can and then just repeat like I am love and or I took a medicine and the medicine is working . Remind yourself like I'm a bad motherfucker . I took this because I wanted this experience and I'm having the experience and it's meant to be uncomfortable sometimes and I'm okay .

, and sacred geometry , and I feel like I felt like it was really helpful at different times when I would get anxiety , uh , on acid and things like that , as far as just like coming back and just you know , reminding myself of things . But why ? I think once you get like , yeah , once you get real deep in , you just gotta ride it out .

It's kind of nothing you can do , it's kind of nothing you can , there's nothing you can say .

Like you know , if you're strapped in and you're going up the hill , right , it might be terrifying to think , like because I hate roller coasters , why I'm using this example , right , but like if I was going up Superman , for instance , at Six Flags , I would be fucking terrified . But at the end of the day I'm strapped into a thing .

It's worked for millions of other people , probably not going to fall out that time . There's no imminent danger in reality . But if I decide to try to get out of that fucking seat while it's going up and I'm going to get in a lot more trouble because now I'm not actually strapped in , there's real actual danger .

And so that's usually what I say about psychedelics . Now again , if you're predisposed to psychosis et cetera , things can happen .

But for the most part , if you can just take yourself out of the equation just on the ride and just , you know , go through , like , let it happen for you cry , laugh , scream , whatever you got to do , but just go through it , you'll come out fine . The other end . It's usually when people try to fight and resist .

That's when I think a lot of the trauma can happen and a lot of like the things like maybe what happened with that girl ? You know that , you saw that didn't like .

It's like december , so then I see her in like march and then I seen she was a little off and then I was like you know I was , I had a dad pin at the time and she , she hit , she hit the dad pin and I should have just never let her hit the dad pin man , and I feel like from that point on she lost it , man , like it was like she never integrated

the first experience , I guess . So it was like still kind of going , I guess , yeah , she never kind of recalibrated . And then , yeah , so next thing , I know , man , she's running through the I live in the woods , you know . So she's like running through the woods . I don't even know if she had clothes on , all I know is she was gone . The next day .

I get up because I , you know , I was sleeping separately , and like I and um , I get up and I go look , I'm like oh damn , she's not here . And then she had left me some messages on my phone .

And then my neighbor was like yo , man , the cops was in the street and I was like so she must have ran through the woods and ran across a creek in , like March , it's cold , I guess . I don't know what happened exactly , man , because it's just crazy , man , it's off of just a dab hit , though it's off a dab hit months later after the acid and I .

Maybe she was predisposed to psychosis , like you were saying , but yeah , I didn't think it would be that . I'm so . I guess I'm so casual with it . I just thought I assumed that everybody else would be like that and I think I was way too cavalier with sharing that and yeah , yeah .

So how do you think , how do you think people can integrate this stuff like nationwide ? I feel like you see , I don't know , I'm in alabama at the moment and they got cbd shops and stuff .

It's only a matter of time before they have mushrooms and stuff on the shelves or whatever , or it'll just be an all out fucking collapse of society and then people will just have it at at their , at their cabins , and you just trade for it .

It kind of affects the whole society because everybody's going to operate differently , like even if you did , if you didn't do it yourself , like it's more people now that's like yeah , my brother did dmt and my brother does acid or does this , so it's just more commonplace now .

work , what the nature of reality truly is ? Right , you know ? Again , no one knows the objective answer , but let's at least have the conversation in schools . Let's get kids started early on this idea that we're living out this illusion that we're a separate being having a human experience .

But that is not actually what any sacred text , if you look far enough back , says . Right , so we might not know the answer , but we know . The answer is not oh , we're just a , you know , a meat suit and we live for a hundred years and we're meant to buy houses and drive cars . We can't afford and work this shitty job and then die .

That's what's going on right now , and I feel like that is part of the reason why people get so fucked up when they do psychedelics , because they're coming from like picture most people right Now .

For anyone listening to the show right now , you don't fit in that category because you're already listening to the show , right , but like , let's think about a real average human being , they're probably eating fast food , they're probably drinking tap water , they're probably showering in tap water , they're probably working at a job they don't like .

They're probably people pleasing , they're probably they're probably doing a whole lot of stuff , and they probably haven't thought that much into who am I , what am I , where do I come from , where am I going and why the hell am I here ? What is my purpose ?

So , like the most foundational elements of this , you know , experience as a spiritual divine , being living out this illusion , are not covered whatsoever . Now you picture one of those people picking up mushrooms and hopefully not , but potentially eating like five grams right off the rip . That can be a very big challenge in their life .

And so I think that , along with psychedelics and I think you know the rise in popularity in psychedelics are a sign that people are starting to be more open to whatever you want to call it spirituality , the nature of reality . You know whatever it is . You know like people are starting to ask questions that don't necessarily have an answer .

You know just to be able to discuss things and whatnot , and so I think that what we're going to need long term is a rapid amount of education , and also , you know , physiological testing too , I think would be really pertinent . Now again , I didn't do that . I'm sure you didn't do that . I'm sure no one listening here did that .

I'm not opposed to people just eating psychedelics and doing you using their own free will to make their own decisions .

But if we want to be responsible , like you know , my buddy Len May , for instance , right has this beautiful test you can do on your DNA that isn't sold to BlackRock or whatever that you can actually show if you have a predisposition to schizophrenia , you know , and things like that .

So , like you know , things like that , they can allow people to see like , oh , I might have that gene , like maybe in this lifetime psychedelics aren't meant for me , or maybe I could connect with something you know , very low dose , in a facilitated type situation , with the awareness that I also have that predisposition .

I'm not exactly sure , but you know , I know that part of the reason I started this show is just start having these conversations and start allowing people to see , like what the full scope of experience could possibly be like when you take these , uh , when these medicines .

You know , because at the end of the day , you know , and like I know as well , like I've fucked around a lot of times with things and sometimes you get really fucking shook . You know like there are some fucking things , especially with acid , because it's just so fucking strong like mushrooms , it's really hard to get yourself in a pickle .

You know like you're not going to accidentally eat 80 grams of mushrooms . You know like you're going to fucking know . But , like with acid , you know you could take a hit of liquid and not know if that was like a quad hit . You have no fucking idea .

You know , and and that's part of what I love about it but also like you have to be a certain type of human to be okay with losing or at least some reality like that you know . So that's my best guess at an answer yeah yeah , no .

Well , their approach to sexuality , I think , is a has a lot to do with their approach to psychedelics , man .

So I think if you drain yourself sexually , then I think that even if you're not going to even have the experience , even if you do have a good experience , it wouldn't be what it could be , and I think that you're more ripe for having an off-putting experience that maybe makes you go deeper into the shell or something .

I think that taking care that the root is um is a big deal , you know , when it comes to psychedelics , I think , just because , especially for men , you know , like , you're losing a lot of , a lot of oil , a lot of uh , you're losing a lot spinal fluid , you lose a lot of fluid .

You're losing a lot of , you know , uh , energy in general and all whatever form or whatever has been synthesized into , you're losing a lot , and I think that a lot of people don't really respect that , and if they , more people did , and I think that we could experiment with psychedelics and it would be , you know , a different world .

You know , because right now I just think that we kind of , if you , if you treat each other like a certain way , like we're kind of disposable , like we kind of the culture has kind of been geared to for a while now , I think that you're going to create a lot of traumas before you even know it and like sexually , by accusing yourself and others , like

emotionally , that when you come time to come time to do the psychedelics , there's going to be a lot of knots to untie and I think it'll be tough man for a lot of people . But rather go through it than not yeah , 100 dude .

But having sex with , like even releasing seed right , like you know , having a male release seed with someone he loves versus someone that he wants to use as an object very different things you know .

Then , on top of that , you know , like your ability , just like breath work right , and your ability to retain your seed and be able to work through that energy even while you're having sex and things like that , that's also a great skill to be able to rep for psychedelic experiences , because you're working with life force energy in a psychedelic experience .

Now , it may be different , you're maybe not having sex when you're doing psychedelics , maybe you are . I mean , it's pretty fun , right , if you haven't tried it .

But at the end of the day , like you know , there are ways to be able to do certain certain root locks while you're breathing and doing certain things like that and start moving that cerebral spinal fluid , start moving that life force energy around to different chakra sites that need it .

You know , there's so many cool things you can do with the body once you start understanding this . But that's why I say , like dude , I don't even know where to start with this education . It's like you know , like we have to like figure out like , okay , well , first of all , we're not the only beings here , right , we have to stay with that .

Then also , we have to figure out what we truly are , right , the nature of reality . Then we have to figure out , like we have to convince a lot of people that chakras are not just woo woo , they're actually real .

That not woo woo , it's real , which is pretty funny , because we have a , a very big population of people that think all that is woo woo , and I think it's just so funny , the tricks that ego plays . It's like all right , guys .

So you're telling me that there's 10 000 years of recorded history from all across the world and pretty much every spiritual practice talks about very specific things that are called different things , but they're all alive . But you figured it out in your 20 , 30 years beyond the earth , it's , it's all bullshit , you know , it's just so funny , man .

So I think that , like you know , it's , it's , it's , it's a big question . You know like it's a big endeavor to start educating people on all the things that it takes to even operate a human vessel to the best degree we can , let alone to start shifting and altering our consciousness on top of that human vessel .

You know , and I think that if we don't have any awareness that we haven't thought into like who we truly are and why we're here , I mean , at best you're going to have just a really fucking wildly confusing experience . At worst it could to potentially break you .

You know , like if you think you're an atheist , for instance , and you do acid and you unionize with creator , that's going to be very interesting to come back to no , I mean , I guess we're all doing it to have some insight or perspective on the objective reality you know .

getting rid of things ? And yeah , I think that it's tough , man , because , especially with sex , it's like , objectively , if the woman's not ovulating , her body's not really fully welcoming sex .

And I just think that you know , if you have a whole society of people that just release seed and then just women basically kind of raping themselves or allowing themselves to be raped , you're going to create a society ripe for bad trips , or people that are just afraid because they know deep down it's going to be a bad trip because their bodies have been used

like a , like a brothel , you know for however long . And I think , oh , you know too , I mean the language man , the language . We got to be a lot more direct and clear with our language to , to cut a lot of the fluff that that kind of builds up from using indirect language . I think we can abuse ourselves because we don't really use direct language .

And the more that you study older languages and even just the origins of English in general or whatever words that you use , whatever prayers you use , you're getting further and further back into the origins of those words and what they mean , and then it's easier , I I feel like , to differentiate up from down or this from that in the world , and then you go

into a psychedelic trip and then I think it just since you've already been doing that work , it's just going to give you more clarity because you you've already made yourself but you become literate like , actually literate in different ways .

You know , like , because it's like things that get communicated that seem cryptic , but it's like we just don't have the languages to to , to read it directly .

And I think that since we you know it's a , it's a big breakdown of communication and and you know just language in general , that we we don't talk to ourselves correctly and I think that that's you know how we can get lost and identifying with the thoughts and then having bad trips and stuff like that .

So yeah , I think so much of it is education , like you're saying oh yeah , man , dude , I couldn't have said it better myself .

Man , and that'll be dope bro , yeah I would love it if you get a chance or people listening man , I don't know , you probably , you guys probably know , like hashtag meltology man . I don't always tell people that meltology man , I'm always promoting meltology , like just look into that , it's crazy man . I don't know , they might have already seen it , but I just .

Maybe somebody hasn't . I don't know dude .

What is the one piece of advice that you would offer them to allow them to use the proper discernment in choosing whether or not psychedelics are right for them at this moment in their lives ?

Are you doing this because you're lonely , or you just would you want to experiment ? Or how are you just trying to thrill , seek , or do you just want more information ? And you will do , do you ? What do you really want ? Like , like , cause I think you can do the right things for the wrong reasons .

So I think , ultimately , I guess I'd ask them like what are you , what are you really want you know out of this experience ? Like , what do you really want from it ? What do you expect from it ?

Will , let me know , because if they're just like yo I just want insight so I can cheat the system somehow or bypass my emotions or something I don't know Then maybe it's not the right you know , I mean , obviously , people that are avoiding like that would say it in a different way . But I think , yeah , I guess I'd ask them why they want to do it .

Because questions , are it , man ?

You can't tell people nothing , you just gotta ask the question and then they're you know , then they gotta respond and they'll be like damn , I'm lying to myself or whatever well , dude , we all have the answers already within us , right , and questions pull , answers push , you know , and that's why I'm such a fan of asking good questions .

You know , like , for everyone listening , you guys know I preach that very often . I mean , I'm on my soapbox all the time about it , right , like it's not because there are rules , don't follow . It's not about that . It's just like , hey , if you don't know what you're looking for , how do you know if you got it or not ?

You know it's just like , straight up , like you can do psychedelics without intention , go for it , have fun . But you know , going through that myself and now helping so many people through it , you just don't really know what you're looking for . So there's no way to know if you at least have an idea like I'm just curious about .

You know life , right , even that it's vague , but it gives you at least a little bit of a direction from which to go in , right , when you come out , someone could say did you figure out something about life ? And you can go yeah , actually I did , or no , maybe I didn't , but I saw these things .

I'm not really sure what to make of it , so you have some way to contextualize it . Without that , you're really just like fucking around and with psychedelics like we talked about , like there's less risky things to mess around with . You know for sure what are you ?

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