The following is a presentation of play Fly Sports Properties in Michigan State Sports Properties. Well, hello and good evening everyone. It is Thursday, August twenty four, two thousand and twenty three. Welcome to the Only Show about Spartan Dogs hosted by Spartan Dogs. This is Sparta m s you. I'm your host, Jason straight Horn played in the Perlis saving Eras's team Captain and a
center and my two dogs here. Otis the Boss Wiley ball Hawk and Hardhead and Safety and true Culcort touchdown machine played during the John L. Smith and D'Antonio era. Look, guys, this is your first time to the show. We welcome you. This is not we thank you. Look, be sure to go to the live check because that's where the party is at. We got a lot of special announcements the jam Pack. We got a special guest that we first time having a coach on the show from the Football Office.
And guys, let us know where you're watching Trump, you know, and be sure to check out that built on Spartan Built on will up there in that hashtag because we're talking about one hundred anniversary for Spartan Stadium. Guys, it's my full, but we got a special announced. We gotta bring on Mama straight right now. Mama's let everybody else, y'all look so good. He already to steal my thunder every single time that I was set up, I was set up Marry and Barry alright, go ahead, that's okay.
The show is my young Whenever you want to go live with stuff, I just try and make it happen. So so here's our announcement. Everybody. If you are in the chat right now, if you click the little clothes out, you should be able to see our store at the bottom of your YouTube channel. And also you should be able to go to www. Dot This is Sparta MSU dot com and get your merch because that's what you
guys asked for. So there's Oh, there's Papa Stray in his white hoodie up, there's oh, he's got on our black logo hoodie nobody, and there's Ju and our everywhere. Of course he's got to go forty five degree America's next top model. Oh my goodness, this is exciting. So here's the thing. I think the thing that I love about our show the most is that we built it around our community and everybody in the chat and our viewers. We built this show for you. A lot of sports shows have
their own agenda. The hosts come on, they have their own agenda. They want to talk about themselves. They want to tell you how to think. And I give you guys great props because you guys don't make it about you, and you could. You all have had tremendous careers. You all have great opinions. But I think the best part is you make it about the community. So if you guys in the chat ask us to bring on a guest or ask a question or talk about a topic, I think our
guys do a great job of doing that. I just want to give you guys props for doing so. As Otis says, kudos, Tia. Our apparel is the same thing y'all have been asking for it, so we dug in figured it out. I'm not promising a seamless process. I am promising there is a process and we'll keep improving it. The other thing is that I love about this is anytime we have a guest on and they say something fun like, what's the best thing we could remember right now? Is production
in the forehole? Right right? All right? So they say something great and I'll always see in the chat we need a shirt. We need a shirt. Guess what we can do that now? So yeah, so we're gonna have like sassy teas or something. I'll come with some branding. But when we have a guest on, if there's something that happens and we want to commemorate it with merch, you just gotta tell us and then we can go through the process and have it go live and you can buy it.
So right now, we started with logo wear. You can see it. The guys have their logo wear on. There's also some like details right in the sleeves some of the like Ju's got one of the sleeves strays got up front. There are a couple of trademark things that we had to adjust for, but we've done that and now everything is by code. Sure it's detailed, and so it's got some fun things. So, like I said, you'll see it on the sleeve. Some of the things have things like on
the in side of their like tags. So we started with logo wear. We're gonna roll out some other fun teas like I talked about, and then we're gonna walk up We're gonna walk out some pet things. We're gonna walk out some tailgate gears. So I'm super, super excited. And this is the other thing. We don't have a huge marketing department, y'all. In fact, you guys and watching if you're our marketing department. Like we rely on y'all to tell everybody. And you know, once you invite a friends
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it is. We had Kurt on last night. He's got a huge mission, right, and he says he's not going to talk to people about their treasure. But somebody's got to talk to people about their treasure, right because we got to bring money into the program, and you guys are going to talk about that kind of stuff. And and Tactis came out the other day in an article and talked about that. So it is what it is today and we're just kind of rolling with the punches and il transerportal. But I'm
excited about the program. I'm excited about this year. I'm excited about the merch. And that's all my time because I know your next guest is way more important than me. Alicia, real quick, are you sitting in one of those recruiting chairs that it is actually too When you were here and it looks like you're in prison, I'm like, I cannot be out in the backyard looking like yeah yeah. And it started getting dark at night too, he had no lighting. He just start getting right. I love it,
appreciate it, Mama Stray. That's awesome. Thank you. We couldn't have said we couldn't have said it. We couldn't have said it any better. Like we could have came out here tried to push this merch and we had just been going there. Oh, this is great, this is far just but she articulated it and you know made us yea, hell, I even want to go buy some stuff now too. I think that's how we got to do it too. No discounts for us. Look, look that that
was awesome, a great role out, guys. It's exciting for us all the way around. And you know we're gonna change things up. Normally we go through a block and then we bring on a guess we got this guy. He's too important to wait. He's got a lot going on. He's just broken camp. We're bringing on Harlan Barnett. M as you second there doing good coach man. Yeah, look at look at all this cheese and he's cheating before before all the questions. Let me go. That always takes
all I know how to be a team player. So go ahead. And this is in the facility that you usually you know, on the side of whatever side of the ball you're on. So if you're an offensive guy, usually hang out with the the offensive coaches most of the time. But you know you're with the running backs coach and oh C or whatever the case may
be. But with coach Barnett, He's a type of coach that everybody gravitates to, you know, offense, defense, special teams and stuff like that, because he's just a he's a spartan dog and he's just a dude, you know, like you want to like everything he says, you like, hang on the words. So he's a coach that I had. I was fortunate had the opportunity to you know, sneaking a little bit there when Oldis wouldn't be kicking me out of the Appreciate that Jay, you man, the
way you pounded the football. He helped us out every time. I know when when he used to truck people, I was like, see, I'm glad he's doing that to somebody else, like the bang stick and shoot you o man, Like, wouldn't that have been something to see y'all going head to head? Boy hurt? You said that is hurt. Look at you
so coach me. You know when you I know, when you guys took over the program, like I remember, you know, highlights start to bring because do you start to bring the past back, like making it more current from when we have to John L. Smith here, and then you know we start to see highlights in the bank stick and I think we were. We were most fortunate because you had a former player who knew what the positions was to be. It was was about like what the defensive back mindset,
and you came in and kind of reset that for us. But you know, we always act like, how did you get the name the bank stick? Now? How did you get it? We already know how'd you got it? But who who? Who deemed that term for you? So it was actually my last year at stake. Uh oh, and my father did so. My father, Carlos Barnet, he thought that Jack Evelyn and they got caught him to bank said he his thing was uh he said, he said, My family called me harridly. Okay, my mother, anybody back
at home? They caught me hardly, harl Yeah. Like you had two underwater cattle prods on both the shoulders on like one show on each shoulder and it's a bang stick that's for sharks. You know that he gave up with the bank stick man and shout out to my all, the man is you just brought that up? And I'm gonna keep my emotions attack. But it's been two years ago today that he passed away. Man, But great man, great Man left Man. Well, we know we know that you.
Yeah, we know that you cut from that cloth, right, so like you also pouring into us and young men. And that's what Jay you said. Everybody gravity to gravitate. Toy is like man because he cut from the cloth. Man. It's almost like touching because Bartnett's garments. He's like anybody knows. You know, I'm not parting. I believe Green. I believe I do believe Green. You cut me open. I'm sparting through and through and you can't tell me otherwise, you know. And I left a couple
of years, but I'm back. I can't leave his place. I can't leave. I can't leave namas sparting through and through. Met my wife at Michigan State. Both our kids graduated from Michigan State. So we are sparting down. Our kids knew the fight song since like two or three years old. They knew the fight song spar because it is your wife from Western New
York. She is from Syracuse. Family member for two child. You know ahead we met in nineteen eighty five case Casehall north Cakes north Man right for brother man from the fifth Absolutely, you know we have a lot in common. The guys on this call right now obviously were all black man. We all played at Michigan State. Now that we're sparting dogs through and through. But the other connection we have because we're all sideline reporters from Michigan State Radio.
All of us sideline reporter. That's crazy. I remember. I remember, man, y'all. I did it for two years, ninety eight ninety nine. I have some dudes. Man has a dude. It was. It was fun doing that, you know. Uh, That's what I thought where I was going to end up being like on ESPN. That's what I thought. But God had another plan. He made me listen, like, this is what I told you to do. So now I'm coaching. That was never my deal the coach on the college or professional level for that matter.
But God got away. He got away in and I'm glad I did because otherwise I wouldn't know otis. You know what I mean from you guys the way I know you and uh and and it's been a blessing. Coach. Try to talk about that transition. So you're you're doing sideline reporting for during the Saving era right in ninety eight ninety nine, and then you you were able to get a GA job. How did how did that work? Talk about that? So, so I do you my fast story? I
go fast like we can, right, Okay. So in ninety four I go to I go to the New England Patriots. I met the New England preach. I went there in ninety three and one day on off day, Bill Parcels, the head coach, says to me, you ever think about coach? I'm like, nah, man, I said, y'all crazy all the time, y'all saying y'all even kids don't know y'all name. That's never gonna be here. Go fast forward ninety five. The next year, I go to Minnesota as a free agent and Tony Dungee, he was the deepest
coordinator at the time. You ever think about coaching? Man, y'all crazy? Gave him the same thing. No, no, so then I so then I stopped playing. My last season was ninety six ninety seven. I'm like the first year out of football. Uh and so that winner ninety seven ninety eight. I am a high school ninth head ninth ninth ninth grade basketball coach at Western Hills High School in Cincinnati, Ohio. The varsity head coach was one of the assistants when I played in high school basketball, and then
uh, then the coaching thing hit me. So then I went back to my high school, Preston High School in Cincinnati, and I coached football and basketball for five years. So while I was doing the broadcasting in ninety eight ninety nine, during the week I was coaching, but I had to leave. I was an assistant DV coach, so I wasn't even there on Friday nights. I'm going to Michigan State games on set, Dude, Michigan State game. After the ninety nine season, I went full time. Nick left
and I went full time coaching. A new head coach. I came came to my high school because I want you to be the deepest coordinator. He said, but you can't. You gotta be on the weekend. You gotta be here with the games. And so I said cool. So I did that for three years and then, like I said, God got away. Man, that's a whole another story. But in the midst of my third
year being the deepest co coordinator in my high school. The follow two thousand and two, I give I'm making the several coaches that I knew trying to get into college football, and uh and uh, they said, you know you gotta be a GA. I'm like, g a man. I was like, man, I too ought to be a GA. But but but to the credit. So Norm Parker was one of the guys rested. So
Norm Parker was it was the linebacker coach here when I played there. He recruited He recruited me to Michigan State and Norm and Norm was at Iowa at the time. He was a defense coordinator in Iowa. And he was like, Hey, if you come here, you ga, blah blah blah. I promise you you'll get a job after like a year, he said, because you're not like a young person right out of college, and you know
you'll get a job. So then I called Nick coach Saban and you know, tell him interested in getting the college coach d But I can't hire you right out of high school. You know, blah blah blah. You come down in GA said the same thing Norm said, And I know they didn't still talk. You you come now and work for like a year, you get a job. And I'm like, man, ga, I go down there in junior two thousand and three. So we talked to twenty years ago,
junior two thousand and three. Well, I'm down there for six months. We went his first NASH Championship in January, goes down Tony Or hired me at the Universe of Cincinnati. Go right back home in Cincinnati from LSU. God then, because my family didn't even go with me down there, and six months I'm there, I get a job and y'all know the story from there after that be it. We were there since nat even three years and then eleventh straight here at Michigan State, go down to the Florida State
for two and now I'm back from my fourth. So this is really my twentieth Michigan State football season as a player, coach, five as a player because I read shirted, and fifteen as a coach. Wow, wow, man, I think that was fast. Crazy. That's crazy. But a story right there, man, man, I mean when back home, back home, right back right back to cinnaty second, my second job with mom and mother was eleven and I didn't have to be when I left, but
that was a whole another God thing too. So but that's how I go. Yeah, So coach, like, let's talk about the relationship with coach d like right, so when you go and obviously I feel like you knew Coach D before before you even got that call to Cincinnati and obviously that tree when the Saving and Coach D. But talking about your first interaction fully with Coach Dan and how he you kind of followed him and helped him win you know, big time championships and games, well, Coach D was on that
Saving staff obviously as as deep as a back coach. And I think the first time I met him, they came down and they were recruiting to Cincinnati at my high school and uh and so coach D was Witnick and I and I saw him, but this was my first time meeting coach D. It was real cool. It was quick enough the Major, but they're on a recruiting trail. And then after that, I had a nephew that played for US at my old high school and coach D with at at Ohio State.
I took my nephew up there and who had who ended up coming to Michigan State and play Darren Darren Barnett. But I took him up there at Ohio State and told Coach Ding them about him. Head coach Tucker for that matter. He was up there as well at the time, and uh, you know, he's got the chance to know. Coach did a little bit more, not a whole lot. And then once I went down with Coach Saving at LS Shoe and I'm now I'm looking for a job, and coach d
gets the Cincinnati job. He knows and I tell people this a lab but uh, we we both speak saving needs. So saving thak you with save me with mail. You know, we speak saving needs. And uh, and so he because of that when he interviewed me down at Cincinnati, I knew I was saying a lot of the same stuff that he's used to hear him because he coached under him. And remember I knew this stuff before he did because I played for Nick's different story too, because Nick coached me for
three years at my first three years here at Michigan State. Then he left him went to the Houston Oilers. I finished out my two years, I get drafted by the Brown Holmes. They fired up a head coach, but Carson Half. With the years off season, they hired Bill Belichick, who hires Nick Savior and he says to me, he says to me, why
do you keep following me? I think you're following me. And so I've been hearing Nick stuff a year at nineteen eighty five, you know what I mean, and then nineteen eighty three years at at Michigan State is another two and a half years with the Cleveland Browns and so, and that was how to be broadcasting thing worked out me going down to LSU with Nick. So my foundation, the coaching DBS is Nick Saban My foundation and everything else is
my own personal experience and talking to other coaches and stuff like that. But coach d and I, you know, we're still talking to this day. Great man. Uh. They're a lot for me and helped me out a lot, and I really appreciated them. You see one of your old teammates on here, Tony Manders. In the chat he said, great great teammate, great guests, great person, great player. So you know, I know you remember him, Tony, great man. Yeah you got some Tony
stories, good man. Though to Tony's coming back for the U of M game this year, Yeah yeah, let me get to see him. Man, we're locking that in now. Tony. We has some dogs dog it was we has some dog like physical and that's because Burlers demanded and I loved that because that's what I came from anyway. But we were, we were, we were bringing it. Now you was gonna get hit, You gonna
get punched in the mouth. Yeah, I'm in and playing professionally. And it was a guy that went to know the Dames that I played with one of the teams, and he said, we knew every time we lose a drug that we was gonna be an ice to after the Michigan State straight up, that's real. Yeah, oh yeah, you shit hit. So coach me. You know you come from that. You know that hard hitting background like you just talked about there, and you know you were coached that way,
you lived in, you embodied it. And now with today's day, you know, on coaching football, how do you try to translate that to today's players. You know that physicality of the game of football, no doubt so, so Jau. First of all, I do believe that you got to make the game. I believe in the safety of the game. So trying to make it safer and all that, I definitely believe. But you can still hit people. And that's why I try to tell my guys there's
there's still a legal way to hit them as hard as you can. It's only it's the only thing I think in America that you can legally hit somebody and not go to jail, right like you can legally like run through somebody's face. We always are run through. Kind I get excited talking about hitting people. I'm sorry, but but but like like legal leaders don't run through people, and I can't do that no more. So I tell him, guys, I lived through y'all. Man, I don't like salt. I
do not like salt. It's still football. You can still go same foot, same shoulder, and run through a person and put your pads on people. Don't put your head in, don't duck your head, see the target, hit the target, and uh. And so I still coach it that way, you know what I mean. But definitely want to be saved, man, you know want guys, you know, with concussions and duck in
the head and spinal injuries and all that. I've never been for that, But I do believe that you can still go be very, very, very very That's a bunch of berries physical. You can be very physical with people because it's intimidating. It's intimidating, and that's the football. That's why I That's what drew me to play the game of football, the physicality. It wasn't to play seven on seven. It wasn't to get pick sick. It was people. That's why I play. I'm telling you the truth you enjoyed.
That's some of that saving ease right there, because he say that to us, like, you know, it's the only place in America where there's no weight classes, right, kind of can run through us one fifty one, seventy one eight whatever it is. You know, guys wanting old lineman running down, you know, on those big plays and picking off people off the piles. But you know, talking about this year and you know the experience that you have coming back in gass Broke camp, right, you guys
have two scrimmages under your belt. Talk about what you've seen out of the guys so far. I see that a team that is steady growing and not only growing on the field, but growing off the field together. They're growing together. And so now there are some things that there's only so much you can do until you start playing games, and that that's going to even draw them even closer together. There's nothing, I mean, you can try these
things that you want to in the world. But until they start playing together and that bond even comes even closer, that's when you're really gonna see things start to clip for this team. And I believe they will. And so you know, our standards are tough, discipline, selfless, and so we demand and toughness, We demand discipline and everybody to be self less, you
know, looking out for your teammates. We're still gonna be very physical and all the things that we do and everybody should be should know what to do and execute and all that. But it starts with being tough, discipline, and selfless. And this team has brought into that. And again, the final pieces, the final glue, will be us starting to play out these twelve games and watch us come together. And that's that's the key. Yeah, coach, you talked about like the Spartan nations, like support, support,
support, and like stick, stick with it, stay loyal. You know, when adversity hits in the season, don't throw in the towel and say oh this in that right, But like you know, I know those guys from last season, you know you don't want to go not to go to the bowl game, right, Like that's the ultimate, you know, one of the first goals, but I know we had it. We had
a better team. And they also came on the show that every player we've brought onto the show has said, like, we know we let Spartan nations, that we let ourselves down, and so this year is not gonna be that, right, And so you know, just talk about from a standpoint of last season production to what you expect this season's production. Well, well, last season, you know, it is what it is. I've kind of blanked out. I'm a DV you know. Yeah, but but yeah,
absolutely, but it was still a learning experience. We had a lot of younger guys played, which is gonna help us for this coming season, you know what I mean. Guys like Dylan Tatum, Jaden Mango, Malik Spencer played, all played last year significant minutes. And so that's gonna pay all four us this year. And that's what I'm excited about. Uh. And let's state is a chip on the shoulder, like we that's who we are. And since I've since I've been a smart nineteen eighty five, we
are a chip on the shoulder program. That's who we are, that's who were always gonna be and it's good and nothing wrong with it. And so that's what we are talking about with our guys, bouncing back, you know, never staying down. You get knocked down, you get up, you get right back up, all right, and you continue to fight. And so all spartans too, Spartans know what I'm talking about. So really really
excited about what these guys about to do this year. And the coaches stabb Is is fared up as well, ready to coach these guys to the best of our abilities. And we have a fantastic coach and stab in my opinion, and we're gonna get the job done. Yeah, coach, I know you're you're a defensive guy. You want to be back there with the dvs and getting looking pretty and all that stuff. I know you get a sneak peek. I know you'll be there and you'll be telling your boys, Oh,
this boy's coming at you. Tell me about my guy Nate Carter. Who which guy Nate, Yes, Nate Carter, the Western New York say Nate Nates are good. So we can't let everything out. Let people get surprised about Kennon Walkers and let's just keep it cool. How good player I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. It's pretty good. I'm glad he's on our team. We okay, we take that. Definitely take that. Like so so with camp, you know, you had the
two scrimmage, like you said, going who do you like? I don't want to I don't want to sing on any players, but you talk about the togetherness. I mean, there was seemed to be a big emphasis this year on the team doing activities outside of the game. Because of the locker room construction, they didn't have a lot of you know, interaction as they did in years past. And now that that's fixed. As far as the locker room, we got a new locker room. Yeah, there is the
how's the bonding been? You guys took a more you know, active role in making sure guys are getting together. Is that still a thing that's paramount in your mind? Yes, that that's something that we've definitely focused on for this offseason. No, just as non excuse is just a fact, you know, in the construction of our new building. You know, last year, you get out of practice, you had a couple of guys getting shottled over to the stadium to get in the shower and go to the locker room.
You got other guys hopping in the cold tub, you got other guys standing out for practice, getting extra work, and so there never was that that that that connection that you normally have just in the locker room. You guys know that, you know, I have to practice. Everybody in the locker room, you know, talking about the coaches or whatever like practice. I'm sure Old has never talked about me, but I never did. I never did. I never did because D has some vouts, but you know
I never didn't. But but you know, so so now now that was why it was so important. Even though we're still uh constructing the new facility, the locker room got done first. So now those guys I can get because that's where a lot of the bonding comes in the locker room, as you guys know. And so I have to practice. You know, guys aren't scattering around and as much, and so that's that's definitely gonna and it's already helping our team grow closer together. We love it. Coach. We
don't want to let you any secrets out of the bag right now. I know you got some important stuff to get to. You know, we really appreciate you spending this time with us, and drop it by this part. They miss you. Man, It's always good to see a fellow Spartan dog line. Coach be oh you said just kidding that kidding, appreciate you, Coach, thanks, you appreciate y'all. Man, this is far oh Man, that's out set four sideline reporters. You're talking about legacy, legacy,
legacy. I wanted I wonder if we have more times like, man, how is how is talking to meeting with George? And you know, how was that? Because George was obviously the head guy then, right, so yeah, many decades from George, but just listening to Coach Barnett there, like, how can you not like be you want to play for a guy like that? You know, he cares, he's enthusiastic, you know, and that fire that he rings there. You know it's just you know,
just a great guy and uh, you know great not get that. Look look, coach, look, we probably I'm gonna ask coach if we could deem his phrase. But he always told us you gotta go to cool school. When you the deep and the deep deep routes, you can't paying it. You know how people painting like oh, you know, jumping and every ey feel be like come, oh you gotta go school, cool school,
cool school, you know, smooth, cool called collected. But I told you guys, this beffore man coach b every game before as we warm it up, he'll come over to me and he does us with all the dbs. Now, but he he said, hey, you're the best, say ifty in the nation. Play like it, and just mentally it was like, you know, man, am I like it was kind of like you know, from beginning when Coach John L. Smith, it was like we were just playing, but like we're probably never heard that from you know,
the staff. But with coach came in, he's putting these positive affirmations and you'd been like, go out there and play like the best. You are the best. And so we gotta I mean, we got great ones on our staff and former dogs on the staff, which is great. We gotta get coach Hawkins on to give him that mentality because they're both like Ying and Yang. They both get the wide receivers of dbs. They give that hard,
tough coach and love, but they bring that spartan dog away. So I love that we had coach beyond first coach to bless the show tonight. Oh man, it was beautiful. Love it. Don't forget to hit the like and subscribe buttons. I hear the little chat going back and forth, like we don't have a lot of likes, we gotta hit those likes.
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in the stadium? Everybody or I'm more like, I know you like I like to over exaggerate if I'm at a visiting team stadium, like last year when I said the Thanksgiving game, the Bills and the Lions, and I was, you know, wearing my Bills gear and would you would? They were getting pissed. They were getting double high five. Yeah we should have won that game. But guess what your boy man? I told them, I said, you know, they it came close, and everyone they're trying
to get on me. They're thrown towels at me. I was like, guy's relaxed. The Lions are gonna lions showing off. The Lions are gonna lie in. Look, look I like that, Steve. I just need some of that chew chest hair to set the backet off. Lack of chest hill smooth, smooth, moisturized twice a day. MS you hires Lino Lupernetti as director Recruiting and Personal Personnel Strategy. Then he get yeah did he get Dobby? Like remember this is the guy that got Doby date, Like,
so what does that mean we're gonna get some Dobby love? I don't know, but this is every I feel like every day we feel or every week we add more to our repertoire and our staff, right, and so this is a good opportunity with Mark de Thorn bringing in the this is legit, Like I don't think we understand like this is legit higher for us to get
more aggressive and bringing in these guys. And I have some ideas cooking because I just saw some stuff, like some content that I feel like we gotta we gotta dive in and capture the content of the recruiting strategy I'm looking at always be closed and like, how can we sell that from like inside the spark Dog or it's just like inside the DN like Lions. The Lions do like, let's see if we can get something like that, we be able
to kind of dive in. But these two guys combine, can't to see just strategy and seeing top guys coming in from all across the country to come to the East Lanting it's gonna be a great, great one. Hey. Sources inside the building say that the recruiting offices is very happy. It's bubbling over there. It's nice. So what do you think? What do you think the sales pitch was, like, how did we Obviously he didn't just hit his put his name in the hat like I'm going to you know,
search or goes go somewhere. I know it had to be a call. What was that call to sell him on coming to the Green and White? What do y'all think that would be? Probably like D'Antonio and Jim Bowman when he was leaving Purdue and he did his interview while driving up sixty nine coming to Michigan State. I'm on my way, of course. I'm telling you you gotta look at the two the two programs trajectory. You know, the upside from Michigan State's definitely a lot higher than it is at Virginia Tech right
now. So you know, you want to surround yourself with winners, and that's what coach Tucker's you know, that staff that he has, it's a bunch of guys that you know, have one and are gonna win. And now it's a place that people want to be. It's a it's a destination spot, not a stepping stone spot. Absolutely all right. That's a that's a strong sales fish right there right analysis there too was outstanding guys. Seven spartans make the Senior Bowl watch list. Let's go through that here, we
go. Jacobe win Man, Hey, your boys, Fencer, what do you call it? He called you? O G What do you call you? What do you call you? Og? Simeon, Daryl's Spencer Brown, Malaitue car put that list back up there, you know, Aaron Broulet, Jacobe, Nick Saymac and Trey Mosley mister reliable. Yeah, this is great
man to have these guys on the watching this out. Let's let's talk about based off of last year, but then coming this year, expectations out of that seven, who who do you think truly has that full like shot to go ahead and be that Senior Bowl Awards recipient? Cool? I think, uh if we I think definitely Jacoby is a guy that's gonna get an invite
to the Senior Bowl. I think, uh uh Brulet. You know, I think he's he's he's he's a little under the radar, uh this this year and uh but you know, I think he's gonna have a big, big year. So I think a lot of those defensive guys will get a will get an opportunity there. Trey Moseley, I hope he does, but I think this year is gonna be so much of of wide receiver by committee that not one person is going to be that standout wide receiver. I think
they're gonna take turns. They're different receivers will have big games and at different times. But Trey Moseley's that, you know, mister reliable, that sure hands guy, that's especially very sneaky in the red zone, you know. Straight. Hey, I think the one shore one one shore one already know is leak Car Yeah, like yeah, the leak car is is a beast right Like he also he has an eligibility for another year, So like it's one of those two where hey, what if I don't think he's staying.
Obviously he's gonna have a breakout year. But I mean that size and what he's been putting on paper and on the film for summer for Scout's Fall Camp, like this is this is that, This is that year. That's this is that year. So spark Nation, make sure I said it. This is one of mine, my predictions. This is this is my killer bees. You heard it right here, heard it here from me. Car is
the guy, freak league, freaky league. Yeah. I think obviously he's got to give them love to the guys to put the hand in the dirt like Malik. I think Nick, Saymac has a chance to play into the Senior Bowl too. He's the guy with the pro scouts love talking about he's got all the measurables and everything, and make sure that that upper body injury is healed up for next Friday in eight days. So Nick would counting on
You are too, guys. Here's the story, a national story. Reggie Bush has five lawsuit against the NCAA because he thinks that it's a defamation lawsuit. He wants he actually wants his he wants his heisman back. Fellas,
Yeah, wouldn't you good? Lord? Then you know the worst part is that you start to do commercials with an nca partner of the Windy's right, like and you're making jokes about the stuff too, like about what happened, and like now it's like, yeah, he had that's a defamational character, where like if I win the heisman, I want my heiman like you, the school has one for him, right, but he don't have one personally. So I feel like and I know should go ahead. I'm gonna give
it. I'm not running back. But Reggie Bush was that guy coming out, like watching him do all the crazy moves and you know, playing against like that was Reggie Bush was that guy. But like just getting man his just getting man his his his accolades, like what you holding on for. So my question to you guys is what's the Heisman Trophy given out for the best, the best, the best player, the best, the best player in college football? Not the best person that gets an off campus apartment paid
for. They get for the best player on the field, all right, And so there shouldn't be a reason that he lost it. And look, you look at this Johnny Menzel documentary. I think this is all stemming from that John Menzel documentary coming out. And Reggie Bush sits back and watches this documentary and John Manzel is on TV admitting to all these violations that happen,
all the lies that happened that they covered up in everything like that. And now he's like, wait a second, I got a couple of hundred, you know, a couple a couple of thousand dollars paid for an apartment Firmon family, And now I lose because I was the best player on the field and I want and earned that trophy. I get to be suffering from this. So Reggie Bush has a great case against the NCA, and if I'm the NCA, save yourself the embarrassment of going to court, of having all
this stuff come out and everything like that. Save yourself that and just do what's right. Do what's right. Invite them, man, have a ceremony, said Reggie. We eft up. Here's your trophy back. You can come back every single year. Reggie deserves to be in New York, you know, at the Heisman presentation there with you know, with the other guys that received their trophies. Reggie Bush deserves his Heisman trophy. It's part of the best player on the field. Nothing that he did enhanced his play on
the field. It's not like he was doing drugs. It's not like he was taking performance enhancers or anything like that. He bawled out and got a little, you know, a little someone to the table, which is completely legal for legal to do. Now, yeah over the table at this point, right, yeah, quick quick pro quote. Yes absolutely. Now. Look, the best highlight was against Friendsno State when he dropped on the dime on that sideline. Yeah, you had, you had, you had many
running backs tearing their knees trying to see that movie. Oh yeah, yeah, you know, it is tough. I mean he brought up a great point there at you about you know, Johnny Manzil and his Netflix you know show where he's basically admitting to all the lives that he got him got the cash for doing the autographs and the cover up. I really going into that. I still thought his family was wealthy. I didn't know that was all bull right. His dad wasn't rich right up until that moment. I thought
it was really all money. Money, And they've bamboozled all the media too, because they didn't do their research. The media. They're like, yeah, I come from money. That's how he gets these floor seats up the Mavericks game, and he's flying in private jets and hanging out with Drake and all this stuff. And it's like, no, this guy is in the back back room signing second three hours, signing some autographs and getting broke off.
Hey, Harriet got a great comment right there. The Heisman lost all credibility when they didn't invite K nine to the you know, the third but invited Adan Hutchinson. Yeah this is true, this is true. So they got a backped a little bit. Guys, They gotta get a man as Heisman back. You know, fun times about that Heisman. Hall of Famer twenty twenty three Spartan Hall of Famer Javon Ringer finished, I believe eighth or ninth in the Heisman voting. You don't have to be invited to the Heisman
to get those votes. Eighth or ninth. What's the high the highest? This is a trivia question. The highest Heisman voting finish for a Spartan football player in the history of the Heisman? Do we know who that is? One? I bet you Tony g Nosy Trevor, you know he's the encyclopedia. Let's see what you know? What? Well? Let that trying to google in either Lorenzo r Nope, no, not Lorenzo close but no, Oh you know straight? Do I know? Oh? Okay, I would
never asked a question that I know they answered. I know Darles Rogers, No, m damn, I don't know. Oh do you know I would? I'm thank you for winning as a coach. Oh, Tony Dungee, not one, not two, not three? Four Super Bowls? Oh? Come on? That limits the pool sick second. Now, I'm just don't like I'm serving like I'm terribles partner story. Oh, Sherman Lewis Lewis, excuse me the third that's a good one. And I got purlous, said plos Hey, t J. Duckett. There we go, no no good,
good try everybody. Sherman Williams Lewis. I keep calling Williams Sherman Lewis. That's our guy. Look, fellas, we're gonna talk about who you guys think is going to be a spreakout player this season. And we're gonna start off with Chew because he likes steal everyone else's thunder. We're gonna let you start off, though, Chew. Who is it going to be? Because I don't think it's gonna be a shocked everybody. I got to pick
one guy or two her what are we doing here? One guy, all right, spoken, the one guy I think will be a breakout guy this season. I know you guys all think I'm gonna say Nate Carter, but I'm not gonna say Nate Carter. We give you too, so you can say Nate Carter. But I think that the breakout guy this season that's gonna be Noah Kim. Noah Kim is gonna be the guy that's gonna lead the
team. You know, when you talk about quarterbacks and I I want to talk to a quarterbacks coach about a quarterback and I'm not gonna mention this quarterback. And the coach told me. I was like, what is so? I said, I has this coach, what is so good about this player? And this said, we you know, he just has moxie. And I was like, well, what's moxie? And he's like, moxy is it? You don't know what it is. You can't describe it, you can't put your hand on it, you can't teach it. But it's just
it. This kid, Noah Kim has moxie. He has it. He has he has a strong arm, he's fast, he's he's a proven winner at the high school level. I know, things transition a little bit when you get to the collegiate level with you know, disguises, reads and everything like that. But I think he's the guy that can put the Spartans in the best position to be successful on the field. Every time he's come in to a game as a Spartan, you know, has been that spark you
know, he's been that spark plug for the offense. You know, come in there and he slings it around. And I love the fact that he has no fear. You know, he's gonna go out there, he's gonna throw some he's gonna, you know, make you scratch your head. He wanted two times, but he's gonna bounce back from that. I think he's he possesses all the traits to be a quarterback and something that I think that he gained on and won a lot of his teammates, if not the entire
locker room, is his leadership piece this offseason. The thing by taking his receivers to Virginia, to his house, sleeping at his family's house, going to work with his quarterbacks coach, getting those routes, getting close with those guys. He has that moxie and I think Noah Kim is gonna be that guy this year. M love it. Listen from your lips to God's ears. We hope so look guys like for me, I am, I want
to be a believer in Noah Kim. And I saw how he did and I don't know in duty that he was assigned last year, coming in, he had a high completion percentage, He's thrown touchdowns, he's been able to play in the lights. I'm not worried about that aspect. What I am anxious to see is how he responds when he gets smacked, because it's gonna happen. Now, he's gonna get hit. You know, we just had the bank stick Harlon Barnett, mimistery secondary coach on here, and he talked
about hitting and how he loved as a secondary guy. Right, and he can hit. Otis likes to hit as defensive player. But when you talk about three hundred plus pound defensive linemen that can run sub five second four eight forties, that can bench over five hundred pounds, like a guy like Simi and Barrel, Right, that's a guy who I'm talking about. That's who who I believe is gonna be Michigan State's highest drafted player next year. That's
why I think it's gonna be a breakout player. But when a guy like that barrels down on you because he's never been able to hit him in practice, right, he's got a red jersey, and we want to keep our guys healthy. But when that happens in their game, how are you going to respond? You know, when your nerve endings and everything in your body's telling you to run away and get to the sideline. How are you gonna respond when you get back up and getting that huddle? So if he can
handle that, sky's a limit for the young man. But for me, it's a kind of a comment. And I'm, you know, telling you who I think a breakout guys at SIMI and speak sim that's the guy for me otis Hey, you know, I'm conflicting because I don't want anybody to feel like I'm singling out or I got favorite too. But I've been at practice as I've seen body of work. And for me, you know, we did talk about what was gonna choose too, but now I'm just gonna
go on right, But you changed, I did. I did so so one I got to give another Montry Foster Jr. Like I think that is he is our one guy that is going to take us to the Promised Land. And but I will give him some love to that later and when we get him on the show. But Malik Spencer going to practice and it's hard to not just look at everybody. I gotta gravitate to the player, like
team you played or the position you played. But this guy obviously had an injury coming in, would have probably would have played a lot more as a true freshman, but I had the shoulder injury. But when he got into that Maryland game, like this man immediately made an impact. Like we're talking flying around. I think it was we talked about Moxie on the quarterback. He has an it factor and it's all about effort, the toughness piece of
it. Just go hard fast, Like make a mistake fast. I'd rather make a mistake fast and you're being hesitant and you make a terrible mistake, but going to practice this summer. He has the leadership quality that ex Xavier Henderson, you know had you know, having one year with Xavier Henderson, you can tell there's been some some good mentorship there from a standpoint of what
to do. But he's back there, man, and he looks he looks the part, he looks the NFL body part, like you can tell like looking at him, he has the makeup of bringing the secondary back to life. And so being young too, Like we got two sophomores, but him being a sophomore, that's even better for excitement for Spartan nation to understand we got a young secondary and Malik Spencer is my breakout spartan. Hey, hey man, look we got Ganoah, Kim sim Simeon Barrow and Malik Spencer.
That's what we look And just so you guys, just like we had, we were restricted to three. You know, we each had to pick one because there's a lot of guys that we feel are gonna be guys that's gonna be dogs this year, that's gonna step up. So like, you know, don't you know, feel slighter in any way, you know if your name wasn't called here because we were we only could pick one person, you know, the three of us. But there's a lot of guys that we
think are gonna, you know, show out this year. I know, like we're doing our production goal. And it was like, oh, well, I think the offensive line, I think it's stivers. I think the running backs, the quarterback, the defensive line, like we the whole team. Right, We're that we're fans too, right, we get it. But when you know, somebody puts an under your head and said you get one choice, and that's it. We thought we had two, but boss Man said one. So this is what we got. That's it. Like
that in my head. I'm picking my skills, you're picking yourself. Look, I don't need no gun to my heat. I'm sucking him. Number. Would you say, all right, the breakout guys mail tucking as obviously that's definitely a need. So let's do it. Let's go colet's get it. Let's go get it. Guys. You know there's one of us that has a he's been doing some work on the off camera here. I've been writing a lot and that's our I don't shoot shoo. Ju Conker has a
book out shoot. Let's talk about that. Yeah, you know, this is uh, you know, when I first was approached, this is a work in progress. This is more than you know, there's five years you know in progress there. And I sat when I was back in New York. I was approached by you know, this guy, Bill Burke. I coached his son when I was a head coach at Southwestern High School. And he's like, man, you have a great story. I wanted, you know, let's sit and let's you know, let's get your story out there.
And it was I went back and forth, you know, with it. You know, because there's a lot of things. You know, ESPN did a piece something when I was back in college. Some people know my story, some people don't. But you know, at the end of the day, it's not one of those stories that I want people to read and be like, man, I feel sorry for Jay. You know, he went through a lot of stuff. I want people to take away from it, be like shit, you know, this guy persevered through a lot of
things. You know, if he can come through things, and you know, if I you know, get a bad grade on a test, if I fumble, if I miss a tackle, you know, it's not the end of the world. I can bounce back. Because for me, my story, there was a point of time where I didn't know where my next you know, glass of water was coming from. As we're walking, you know, stepping over dead bodies, refugee camp to refugee camp, going in there, opening our backpacks, pulling our sleeping bags out, and bullets shells
in there. You know, it's only saved by the you know, by faith and you know the backpack that we had. You know, so this is a story that you know, it's it's really cool the story because it's from the perspective of mine, from me as well as you know, some friends that I had that were child so as well, you know, so they're the perspective of them, you know, being you know, drugged and forced into being a child soldier and everything like that. So I'm you know,
it's it's it's something cool. I'm really proud of. I think, you know, Bill Burke, you know, put a really nice touch to it. He articulated my story really well. And it's something that you know, like I said, I'm really proud of and excited about. Uh, you know, I'm gonna be pushing it, peddling in it, So go ahead and get you get you a copy of the book Run from a Civil War to the NFL. Had to do some little trickeration graphics that I adn't
want anyone coming at me for for copyright infringement or anything. Like you covered up the logos. You did a good job. A place can see it. I don't want is coming at me making that call. I'm trying to too great stuff, man, Like it's obviously a two testament man to who you become and obviously the man you are today. But you know, walk through because people always think about, like if I was to write a book of my story, like okay, so how does this start. Okay,
what is the process? Like talk about just I know it took a lot of time to sit down and get it down, but like talk about how that process was with with big feeling and seeing like obviously got to go through it mentally and talk it through, but just talk about the process. Yeah, the process that you know, we we sat, you know, we would go twice a week, we will sit at a Starbucks and talk.
We would just get the recorder out and we would talk. And it's reliving those stories, you know, talking about when the you know, my life before the war, you know, playing soccer, kid, playing soccer in Liberia, West Africa, and then the day the war started, seeing the torture that happened, seeing an adopted brother you know, ten feet away from me and get killed, shot and killed, and you know, reliving those moments and talking about those things and figure out where to piece those things.
And then the journey of coming you know, my mother coming back to America and finding us, getting us and bringing us, you know, to America, going to a small school, graduate with twenty six kids, you know, in my high school, you know, the only you know, my family, the only black family in the school, going through those struggles and those things there, you know, the piece of you know, if I wasn't a good athlete, would I have been accepted, you know, all
those things, and then getting the opportunity to get you know, get scholarship to go to Michigan State. You know, the doubt that people had, you know, you're a big fish in a small pond. Are you going to be successful at Michigan State? All those different things to chip on your shoulders and everything like that. So it's just sitting there and you know, chronologically, you know, placing your life story, you know, from memories,
from articles, from talking to family members and all those things. So and that's one of the biggest things. And that's why you know, people always you know, I've had issues with coaches and stuff like that. Like Jay, you don't take football seriously. You're always smiling. Coach Stoutland.
Stoutland. You I remember specifically, we were in training camp and I had a bad practice and you know, at the end of the day, you know, in between two days, because we did two days back then, you know, I was walking in and you know, I had a smile on my face walking through the halls, going to the locker room. He stops him. He just starts yelling at He's like, you don't care about football, You're not you don't blah blah blah blah blah, you know all
this stuff. And so we go into the cafeteria case during camp for lunch and he's sitting there eating and so I get my train. I walk into the table with my boys, and I stopped and I went to him and I sat down next to coach. I was like, hey, coach, you know, I think we got off on the wrong foot here because he was the guy to recruited me, you know, so I had a great relationship with Coach Stolin. I was like, let me tell you my story. This is why I smile, you know, I want. I overcame
these obstacles and I'm blessed to be playing a game. This is my life of death. And then all right, you know, like, yeah, I'm blessed be playing the game. Yes, I get it. It's it sucks. If you fumble, you're letting the team down. You're letting you know, if you miss a tackle, that's but you have an opportunity to rebound and get it right again. So those are some of the things, and you know, I'm always on here. You always see me smiling.
I've never I've never had a bad day. You know, some days are just better than the others. But I've never had a bad day because there's there's my family member that that didn't make it out of there. You know, there's friends that didn't make it out of there. So those are the types of things, and that's why I always you know, try to tell you know, people if I'm talking to you, you know, younger high school kids, and you know, people playing the game, enjoy it.
It's a game. It's you're playing a child's game. Enjoy your your make you're creating bonds, You're creating lifetime relationships like we have here. So you know, if that's something you know someone wants to get, you know from the book, is that that aspect of things, of that perseverance. You know, at the end of the day, you're going to go through Everyone
goes through their trials and tribulations. But if you can learn something from it and persevere from it and become a better person from it, you know, that's that's what it takes. This a lot of personal stuff in here that I was like, man, I don't know if I want this out there, you know, so, but you know I had to. I had to. It wouldn't be the full package if I didn't, you know, let my stuff out like that. Man. Yeah, I got a little. I'm excited. I'm like, I'm like, so this is when you
go through the store. When you go through the store, right, it's almost like when you do your testimony, like you start to like heal over like past trouble, right, Like, talk about that from a standpoint as you do the chronological thinking going through it, talking it through, like where the moments where you were able to say man like that that talking it out absolutely started the healing process because you didn't really understand, like you probably not
toughen up and you know you got to persevere. But no, there's those those truly define you, right, So talk about that. Yeah, that's the emotional peace in there. You know you didn't because when we came, you know, we didn't go to counseling. You know, we didn't.
We didn't do that stuff. And for a long time, like my sister and I would be and we will talk about it, and my mind would be at We'll be at the dinner table talking about it, my mother will be crying, and then we felt bad she was crying, so we didn't talk about it. So then you know, having an opportunity to do speeches, do everything like that and then really sit back with Bill and you know, discuss you know, everything that happened, talk about it and everything it
was. It was some of that. It was a healing process as well, you know, and going from you know, everything from the PTSD from when we came in, you know, lightning or thunder, you know, came on and my nickname in college was Thundering. You know, thunder and lightning with Javan and I like all those things. And you know, thunder and lightning. We're my sister and I were running, We're hiding under the bed. You see a plane flying over, you're running inside under a tree
because you think they're gonna come and bomb. All those different things and now you know, you persevere through those and you know, talking about it, you know, with someone sharing your story that hopefully at the end of the day that someone can get some type of healing out of it. Someone can get like, you know what if this guy went through this, this and this and came out and you know himself, fun loving guy, enjoying given to others. I can do the same thing as well. Hey listen,
man, I just want to read the book. I'm gonna read it. I'm giving me a copy. And you know what we need to do is have a signing we need oh well, definitely, well yeah, we gotta have you know, a choo choo signing day, you know, for run the War to the from Civil War to the NFL. And Bill Burke is not Bill Burke, the quarterback from Michigan State. He has a right, yes, yes, yes, So I just want to know, like who was the first book sign Like, I know you signed a book and gave
it. Who was your first like giving the book to my high school coach? Awesome? Yeah, my high school coach, if he was when I came to Mary was the father figure for me and I, you know, and there his say his son wrote a little thing, you know in the beginning of the book. There. Yeah, So my high school coach, he's that, he's he's my guy, Howard McMullen. Absolutely, that's what's up, man, that's well, I want to get a signature when I'm in my book. So oh hey, yeah, I want you to really,
I want you really. Yeah, absolutely, it's gonna be on there. But I'm gonna read that thing like we real quick. You know, it's a long one. It's a long one and read was an encyclopedia is thicker than a snicker boy. Yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. I know exactly what. I am so shocked that you had a lot to say in this got a great story, you know, your father's classic. That is. I love it, you know. So we have it on there right there, run from So this is
where you can get it on Amazon. The ju Cockorc Story available on Amazon and Barnes and Noble. That right, yeah, this is you Get that book. Get that book. You don't do nothing else. Get that and then while you're reading and you gotta do it in some of this swag, you know, yeah you can. You you cozied up with the this is part of MSU Hoodie by the fireplace, drinking a coffee, you know, reading the book. How much so physicated can you be? How much a
Hallmark movie can you be with the book. We gotta do take some pictures, like with the book in our hand, reading Yes, that's outstanding. Guys. Look great show, and that's a a very very hallmark moment for me, you know, to get that book. And look, guys, we have lots of for everybody, for the community, the people in the chat. This is for you. We have lots of you to do.
You're interactive, We've listened to you, we talk about what you're saying, we're communicating, and then also we give yourself to get you know, like, you know, some gear, a book. What else do you need? Some tickets that's all they need. Oh, this is some tickets. You know, you know what. The next time we're all together as it is Sparta MSU fam it's Game week eight days away. This dozen days away. Yeah, buddy, can't wait. Cannot wait, guys, look awesome,
guys. Look for I'm going to wrap this right now because I think that we've sufficiently done our job here and I cannot wait till next week because it will be game week next week. We'll see you guys on Tuesday at APM next week. For otis Wiley, ju Culcheram Jason Straight. This is s part of ms shot. Have a good night, God bless you, go greet go white. This is part my ms you as a combined presentation of playf Sports Properties and Michigan State Sports Properties. The show was produced by
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