>> Leigh: Oh, no. >> Leigh: This is a disaster. >> Peter: This is a disaster. A podcast about disasters and the music they make us listen to. I'm Peter, and I'm here with my co host, Lee. >> Leigh: I'm Lee, and I'm here with my. >> Peter: Co host, Peter, on studio. >> Leigh: In the studio. >> Peter: That's French for in the studio. >> Leigh: Oh, oui. >> Peter: Yeah, I said, aw. >> Leigh: dawn. in the studio.
>> Peter: In the studio. My son's learning French in school. >> Leigh: So you're learning French? >> Peter: Well, I already kind of knew French. >> Leigh: You're pretty good French. >> Leigh: He's. >> Peter: He's better now. He's getting better quickly. >> Leigh: Good. Yeah, I was like, when my daughter was learning, I was like, oh, good, I can finally learn French. Nope. Turns out she does the homework. I don't need that. >> Leigh: She'll.
>> Peter: Cause he's gonna blow past me. Exactly. I speak French, but like, by second grade, he's gonna be fluent and I'm. >> Leigh: Gonna be like, he'll be conjugating you into the dirt. >> Peter: Para plui. My claim to fame. My claim to fame is. I can tell him what that means right now. But that's gonna. That's gonna. Buddy. >> Leigh: It's an umbrella. I know. You've said that so many times. >> Peter: Here's some moliere from memory.
Anyway, you're joining us for another major disaster brought to you by Lee. >> Leigh: Me? >> Peter: Maybe we should do a little catching up first. I got some news, but, it's been a minute. Yeah, yeah. Actually some like, groundbreaking news. >> Leigh: Okay. >> Peter: So, all right. I don't know if you knew this, lately, like when I choose to play a game on the pc, I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but typically it's doom eternal. >> Leigh: Oh, yeah.
>> Peter: Have I brought that up before? >> Leigh: Yeah, yeah. >> Peter: It's like a sequel to the original doom, right? It's got like demons, you like, shoot. >> Leigh: Guns, and you do. >> Peter: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, hard into that. >> Leigh: yes. >> Peter: A couple days ago I messaged you about this, but I discovered a demo for a game called dead link. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: and I've played a total of like 2 hours
of it. And not once have I thought about doom eternal while playing. >> Leigh: Oh, wow. >> Peter: Which I'm gonna tell you is a big deal because over the last two and a half years, I've started and stopped playing other games in like, m the first 15 minutes. Cause I'll always be playing and I'll be like, yeah, but not doom, though. >> Leigh: Yeah, but where's the meat hook? Yeah, sorry, fallen order.
>> Peter: No meat hook in the lightsaber. You know, not sponsored, not taking any money from them. but play dead link immediately. >> Leigh: I downloaded the demo. I haven't played it yet, but, >> Peter: They describe it as meets doom eternal. And that's perfect. >> Leigh: It's got a doom eternal vibe to it. I saw some, in air mobility, going on in mobility.
>> Peter: And then at the end of every room, it's like Hades, where you basically get the option of going through three different doors for three different types of upgrades. It's randomized. I love Hades, man. >> Leigh: I'm gonna poop out of that. >> Peter: Yeah, well, I loved it too, but that was a game where. So Hades, actually, Hades, I think I got like a couple hours in. >> Leigh: Nice. >> Peter: But I got back to like, not
doom, though. It could, admittedly, it could be because dead link is like a direct translation of skills. Okay. Cause it's like the. If you know how to play doom eternal, you know how to play dead link. >> Leigh: Right. >> Peter: But, that's good news. But it bodes well. This is just the demo, so it's more coming. So that's my big news. That's my big news. >> Leigh: Playing a different video game. >> Peter: Look, you know me, you know that. Playing a different video
game for more than 15 minutes, that's huge. These last two years. >> Leigh: That's a headline. >> Peter: Yeah. How about you? How you doing? >> Leigh: Doing good, doing good. I'm doing good. I'll say it. We were talking earlier, I, went to see one of my favorite bands from when I was a teenager, voivod. Who. I've brought them up. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: At least once on this show. >> Peter: I think twice. Even twice. A recommendation they have.
>> Leigh: Yeah. So I went to see these aging french canadian thrashers and it was a lot of fun. And I was not quite the oldest and fattest in the room, but, you know, this is right in the, in the median. And it was, it was funny. Cause I. That week, I just destroyed my back at work. >> Peter: Oh, shit. >> Leigh: I had two weeks off prior, right, where I did nothing nice. Then I went back to work and I was like, yeah, step aside. Those skids, I got them. See that pile of heavy
boxes? I'm just going to load those in sort of a swivel motion. >> Peter: Oh, no. >> Leigh: And I destroyed my right glute. Oh, I couldn't stand up straight. It's your butt. >> Peter: You hurt. You hurt your butt? >> Leigh: I hurt my butt. Which is not as bad as hurting your back, but no, it's true. >> Peter: It's, it's still a, you know, it's a, it's a pain in the ass. >> Leigh: Excuse me. And, I was like, I'm not missing this
fucking show. So I sort of, like, hobbled my way there, and I was just. I'm just gonna stand here. And then the first song they played, I wasn't expecting them to play that song, but it was really excited, so I was like, yay. And I just kind of, like, hobbled towards the front middle, and then towards, say, the third song, the pit opened up. >> Peter: Oh, shit.
>> Leigh: And me and every other dude my age was like, no, it was like the parting of the Red Sea, but from a different point of view. >> Peter: Nice. >> Leigh: And then I just sort of hobbled over to the side. Oh, that's better. Nice. >> Peter: Was it the receding of the reed sea caused by thera destroyer? >> Leigh: That's what I meant to say. >> Peter: Check that episode out. >> Leigh: More on brand for us. Check it out. It's good.
>> Peter: Anyway, good. Good catch up. let's get to disaster. Lee, what are we talking about today? >> Leigh: Oh, today? Well, today I've got another musical installment. >> Leigh: Awesome. >> Leigh: and, Peter, you had mentioned, quite a while. I mean, towards the beginning of our, what do you call. Sabbatical. >> Peter: Yep. >> Leigh: You had asked if I, could come up with an episode that was not so much a disaster as more of a disaster near miss.
Right. Something that's a little bit uplifting. Yeah, that's hard. >> Peter: It really is. I tried doing it, too, and I realized how well conceived that was. >> Leigh: Well, I mean, because, yeah, we can talk about death and destruction, you know, as till the cows come home. but, you know. >> Peter: Or get murdered by a bunch of hippies. >> Leigh: Exactly. These are so weird. >> Peter: Check out the last episode. >> Leigh: Yeah, the cows. They
don't come home. They don't make it. So, yeah, I sort of racked my brain, and I wasn't even sure what to plug into google for that one. success or success like, some album that got made and everyone loved it. Who cares? So kind, of put it on the back burner, and I just went back to the usual misery, making notes. >> Peter: About so much easier. >> Leigh: This and that. The path of least resistance, I like to call it. And then it kind of hit me as I was, bingeing a certain
band. And, I was like, oh, yeah, that event. Well, everyone knows about that. Why would I bother? >> Peter: I probably don't. >> Leigh: This is the thing. Cause I kind of thought the same thing when I covered the so called day the music died, which is also known as the untimely deaths of buddy Holly, Richie Valens, and the big Bopper. I did that for one of our Patreon exclusive micro disasters.
>> Peter: That's right. Patreon.com. Thisdisasterpod, which you didn't talk about any. >> Leigh: Of that stuff in the shit. >> Peter: I'll get it yet. >> Leigh: We'll get it yet. So there's a little. That's another ad for the Patreon. but I kind of came to the same conclusion as I did for that one. it's been such a long time since that particular event took place. Maybe people don't know what it's all about. >> Peter: Right.
>> Leigh: I'm just used to seeing it from my perspective. I'm like, oh, yeah, everyone knows about that. Maybe they don't. So today I'll be talking about drummer Rick Allen, he of pop metal superstars def Leppard. Now, let's test the waters here, Peter. When I mentioned the drummer for Def Leppard, what do you know about him? >> Peter: Enter Sandman. That's metallic. >> Leigh: Oh, I'm not even there yet. >> Peter: Oh, okay. >> Leigh: But, yeah, that is metallic.
>> Peter: Sweet home Alabama, the drummer from Def Leppard. >> Leigh: Like, do you. Are you. >> Peter: I'm going to assume that he's not a hearing impaired leopard. >> Leigh: No, not that I know of. Okay, so you don't know anything about him that's unique or something that happens. >> Peter: Probably play the drums. Oh, wait, did you only have one hand? >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Leigh: Ah, nice. One arm.
>> Peter: One arm. See, I could probably, by extension, one hand. >> Leigh: Well, you are. You are right. But I had to curve. >> Peter: You have to extend. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Leigh: It's a half truth. >> Peter: I suppose you could have had a hand, like, on the shoulder. That happens. >> Leigh: Yeah, fair enough. Okay. >> Peter: It can. >> Leigh: It could. >> Peter: I'm not.
>> Leigh: I'm not sure any doctor would sanction that. >> Peter: I haven't seen all arms, hands. >> Leigh: No. Oh, yeah. Could happen naturally. >> Peter: Fair enough. So I guess that was buried somewhere in my consciousness. Never seen him. Don't know if I can identify a deaf leopard. >> Leigh: Okay. And I thought it would be weird to sort of. Okay, let's say Peter doesn't know that and to kind of tease it and have it be a big reveal.
So clearly we're not doing that. Oh, damn, he's got one arm. but I'm m going to tell you how that happened. >> Peter: I can pretend that I don't know. >> Leigh: Nah, I don't do that. >> Peter: Okay, don't do what? >> Leigh: Don't pretend. >> Peter: Pretend what? >> Leigh: I forget. >> Peter: Okay, fair enough. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: Cool, cool, cool, cool.
>> Leigh: Yeah. So. But, yeah, like, like you and maybe our younger listeners, they don't know this. They didn't ever know this guy only had. Was a one armed drummer in a really successful band. So we'll talk about that. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: Can you. >> Leigh: Can you name one of their songs? Def Leppard. >> Peter: Dirty deeds done dirt cheap. No. I see DC. >> Leigh: Yep. So you know when you're wrong. >> Peter: what?
>> Leigh: In this context, you're in the. You're on the right radio station. I'm. >> Peter: Yeah. Right. >> Leigh: Something about sugar. >> Peter: Wow, that really narrows it down. sugar. Sugar. >> Leigh: Oh, I thought you were joking. >> Peter: No, really. >> Leigh: I thought you were like, oh, you. >> Peter: Just gave it away. >> Leigh: I don't know. >> Peter: No sugar? >> Leigh: No.
>> Leigh: That's the archies, is it? I think it is. >> Peter: No, I honestly, I don't know if I can even conjure their sound in my mind. >> Leigh: Okay. I was looking for. Pour some sugar on me, you know. Okay. You've heard. You've heard it. You don't realize it. >> Peter: Okay, fair enough. >> Leigh: They're ubiquitous. one of those bands. >> Peter: Okay, cool. I'm sure I have. >> Leigh: You have. Okay. And you will.
You're gonna go home and listen to them. >> Peter: Okay? >> Leigh: I'm gonna inspire you. >> Peter: All right. >> Leigh: so let's talk about, flabbert, please. Band, from Sheffield, England. Formed in 19. >> Peter: England. I never would have guessed. >> Leigh: I'm way off. >> Peter: Not even on the right continent. >> Leigh: Nice. Yeah. >> Leigh: Thailand. >> Leigh: Thailand. >> Leigh: Exactly.
>> Leigh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. formed in 1977, they were lumped in with the up and coming so called new wave of british heavy metal. >> Peter: Motorhead getting. >> Leigh: Oh, kinda. >> Leigh: Okay. >> Leigh: Yeah, they would. They would disagree. >> Peter: Well, but why would they disagree? >> Leigh: I don't know. I wouldn't want to be a bit of a contrarian. >> Peter: Yeah, fair enough. >> Leigh: Okay.
>> Leigh: Rock and roll band, mate. Sorry. Please don't kill me. yeah, that was a movement that was happening in the UK at the time when punk rock was kind of exploding and it was sort of pushback, like, no, mate, rock and roll, but kind of harnessing the energy of punk at the same time. >> Peter: I see. >> Leigh: Okay, kind of neat. >> Leigh: Other bands considered, to be part of the new album thing would be, Saxon, angel, witch, Venom.
>> Peter: Oh, yeah. Familiar with him. >> Leigh: Tigers of Pantang, and, of course, Iron Maiden being the most successful. >> Peter: Okay. Enduring is iron maiden from the UK. >> Leigh: You sure are, motherfucker. >> Peter: I don't know anything. >> Leigh: You're as british as it gets. >> Peter: I don't know anything. >> Leigh: You don't know any fighting? I'm here to. I'm here to teach you. >> Peter: Oh, boy.
>> Leigh: I don't know anything about anything else. >> Peter: Well, fair enough. >> Leigh: That's where you give it back to me. >> Peter: Okay, cool. >> Leigh: Rick Allen was just 15 when he joined Def Leppard shortly after the release of their first self titled ep. They released their first album on through the night in 1980, followed by High and dry in 1981, the latter being the first of many albums produced by Robert John Mutt Lang.
>> Peter: Wow. >> Leigh: Or Mutt Lang is known, like, hyphenated, like, quotes. >> Peter: Mutt Lang. >> Leigh: Mutt Lang. You know, like a. Like a mutt Lang. >> Peter: Oh, I see. >> Leigh: Okay. >> Peter: Gotcha. >> Leigh: Yeah. All these guys have, like, funny nicknames and quotes, right? >> Peter: Yeah.
>> Leigh: So lots. of touring in the UK and especially in the states, being opening act for AC DC, Pat Travers, Ozzy Osbourne, and walking, talking disaster Ted Nugent. Okay, we should talk about him at some point. >> Peter: Free bird piece of shit. >> Leigh: no. Okay, stop it. Well, just you. >> Peter: Another white person's name, like. No, there's too many of them. >> Leigh: 601 I agree.
1982 saw the recording of what would prove to be their breakout album, that being pyromania, which came out the following year, 1983. And again, they were working with Mutt Lang, and in this instance, pretty much relinquished all creative decisions to him. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: not to say they weren't writing their. Their own material. They were. But what they really wanted was a hit record. like a number one with lots of singles.
>> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: And Mutt Lang having a few of those under his belt at that point. He produced, ah, like highway to hell and back in black, AC DC and foreigner and a bunch of crap. he basically said, you want to hit an album, you do everything I say. >> Peter: Okay? >> Leigh: Okay. And this is where things got kind of interesting and likely very frustrating for the still too armed Rick Allen. >> Peter: I'm sorry, what? >> Leigh: He was so.
>> Peter: He wasn't born in the. >> Leigh: Oh, no. >> Peter: Oh, boy. I didn't know that. >> Leigh: Did I not make that clear? >> Peter: No. >> Leigh: No. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: He was a two armed twist, really good drummer. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Oh, we'll get there. >> Peter: Right. >> Leigh: an interesting. Well, I'll get to that later.
as far as Mutt Lang was concerned, in 1983, all hit albums at the time had program drums. So that's what they went with on pyromania. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Except for the cymbals, which was something you really couldn't get a decent version of, from a drum machine, like in a rock band. It's just gonna be so obvious because, honestly, I kind of kicked myself for this. But I only just recently kind of realized, like, drums are fake.
>> Leigh: I thought maybe they were pads or just sort of triggers or something. But he. >> Peter: So, like, did he just sit there and play the cymbals while listening to the program? Drums. >> Leigh: Yes. >> Peter: Wow. >> Leigh: He just sat and waited and waited, watching buddy ripping a guitar solo singer. Like, he's just like, when do I get to go ping ping, ping, ping, ping, ping on a ride cymbal. >> Peter: Wow. >> Leigh: So trippy.
>> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: I've always. Ever since I learned that, that's how they did recorded drums for, that queens of the stone age album, the red one. The one after. Rated r. The one with Dave Grohl on drums. >> Leigh: Oh. songs for the deaf. >> Peter: Songs of the deaf. How can I forget? Yeah, they were. So the way that they recorded it is they recorded the drums and the cymbals separately. >> Leigh: I almost think that's a Dave Grohl thing.
>> Peter: He m. Doesn't do it all the time. >> Leigh: He did the same thing for the one he played on one killing joke album. >> Peter: Yep. >> Leigh: And he did that. >> Peter: Really? Okay. >> Leigh: Like, you can hear it. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: He doesn't have eight arms, as far as I know. >> Peter: Right. Yeah. But, like, what they did, I guess. Cause it is. It is a
recording technique. Cause it makes. It obviously makes it easier to mix the cymbals and the drums. >> Leigh: Right. >> Peter: Cause you don't get any bleed from the cymbals. >> Leigh: That's what I thought mutt Lang was doing on pyromania. Cause I've heard the separated tracks, like, oh, the symbols are separated. Like, cool for mixing. Must be hell on earth for playing. >> Peter: I know. I couldn't do it. You need to be, like, a Dave Grohl to pull it off.
>> Leigh: Yeah. Cause Dave roll could. >> Peter: If I take. If I take a single element out of the drum kit. >> Peter: It's toast. I'm done. >> Leigh: Yeah, it doesn't work. I would still have to be swinging my arm against nothing. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: One thing that's also weird that I found out years ago is, like, if you're. If you're working on a high profile album, a, producer can fire you from the album if you're not cutting it.
>> Peter: Really? >> Leigh: Like, I think that happened to someone in Marilyn Manson. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Round antichrist superstar. Or thereabouts. I know what happened to this canadian band, the Gandharves, who kind of went nowhere, but the drummer got, like, fired. Not from the band, but he's just like, you're not playing on the album. yeah. >> Peter: Well, I mean, that color and shape, right? >> Leigh: Yeah.
>> Peter: Foo Fighters had a drummer until. And he's like, no, Dave Grohl accidentally on purpose rerecorded all the drums yeah. >> Leigh: No one's ever given a definitive why that happened, but everyone's got their sort of spin on it. >> Peter: It's not. It's not fair. I mean, it's a once in a lifetime situation that you find a Taylor Hawkins who is. Who plays. Who played the drums just like Dave Grohl. >> Leigh: Right.
>> Peter: And anyone else wouldn't. I don't think anyone else would have filled that role. >> Leigh: No. And even he admits. He admitted that on the. Because he played on the next album. >> Peter: Right. >> Leigh: But not all of it. >> Peter: Yeah. Right. >> Leigh: He's like, I'm not ready. Was like, no, you're not, but we'll get there. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: Play on some of it, but, like.
>> Peter: It'S just not fair. Can you imagine? Like, yeah, I guess I'll drum for the drummer from Nirvana. I'm sure he doesn't have a lot of thoughts about how the drums should. >> Leigh: Sound, but William Goldsmith is a great drummer. >> Peter: Sure. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Leigh: He would have been fine and stupid, but I don't know, maybe he tried and it sucked. I don't know.
>> Peter: Maybe. Maybe it was the pressure. Maybe it was the fact that I know Dave Grohl's name and, I don't know, Williams. >> Leigh: Yeah. Maybe Dave Grohl's is not as nice as we think. He's a studio tyrant. Maybe at the time. >> Peter: I think you're right about that. >> Leigh: I don't think he's ever probably chilled out now, but. >> Peter: Well, I think he. I think he never loses a score. I get the impression that, like, he. He knows what
he's doing. You don't. You don't get that far without being like, oh, you know, everyone's frightening. >> Leigh: It won't matter. Yeah, it matters. It matters. Okay, so that's. That's recording albums, right? Gotcha. >> Peter: You're welcome, everyone. >> Leigh: There you go. We know from. >> Peter: From a basement in Ottawa, we figured it all out. >> Leigh: Figured it all out on all our experience in music that no one's ever heard.
So that's, Rick Allen playing the cymbals on pyromania. Couldn't have felt great at the time. >> Peter: No. >> Leigh: but it did pay off. So had to eat a little bit of crow. Pyromania would prove to be death. Leopards biggest release up until that point, more than
topping their previous two albums. and thanks to it coinciding with the rise of MTV in the United States at the time, they made them a household name this side of the pond, thanks to music videos for four of the five singles released from the album photograph rock of ages. Foolin too late for love. Yeah. these guys were hot for the. >> Peter: For the younger listeners. MTV was music television. And they used to show music on it. Music videos.
>> Leigh: A music video is like a movie with the, song. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: But you had to, you had to like, watch the tv and wait for it to come on. You couldn't just go on YouTube and look for it. >> Leigh: No. You had to like, watch, like. And then these commercials would come in and. Oh, commercials, are like things you can skip on YouTube. You couldn't skip them. >> Peter: No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Leigh: So you just run and go to the bathroom.
>> Peter: You'd run home after school so you don't miss the much music top ten countdown. >> Leigh: Much music was the canadian version, MTV. And before you had to pay for it and part of pay tv, then they made it free with Basic Ky. I started watching it. Pepsi power hour was the heavy metal show. >> Peter: Yeah, I remember, those. Rap city. >> Leigh: I think Rhapsody was the rap show. >> Peter: Are you receiving was the techno. Yeah, I was really good.
>> Leigh: City limits was the alt rock. >> Leigh: Yep. >> Leigh: The wedge was the alt rock show. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: A lot of live shows there. First time I ever saw Foo fighters. >> Leigh: Was, on their intimate and interactive. Or was it the concert they played? >> Peter: The concert they played at the much music building. >> Leigh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Peter: That's pretty cool. That's cool. Remember youth?
>> Leigh: I think about it every day. >> Leigh: Good. >> Peter: Carry on. >> Leigh: And then I dry my eyes and carry on with my life. >> Peter: Everything's ruined. >> Leigh: What were we talking about? >> Leigh: We were talking about death. And they did really good with pyromania. >> Peter: Yep. >> Leigh: Pyromania made them huge. >> Peter: Got it. >> Leigh: Like as big as Michael Jackson.
>> Peter: Whoa. >> Leigh: Not that big, but like, you know, you know, in the vanguard. >> Peter: Fair enough. >> Leigh: And he was big. What's that called? I don't think so. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: What's like big? Like figuratively big. >> Leigh: Yeah, that's what I meant. Like famous got so, you know, they
toured for the rest of 83. and then starting in 1984, they started working on what would be the next album, which would eventually become hysteria. they spent the entirety of the year writing and recording with little to show for their efforts. Possibly a combination of partying too hard and just the follow up nerves. Oh, yeah, the jitters. So fast forward to December 31, 1984. Okay, New Year's Eve. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Leigh: Ah, we're zeroing in.
>> Peter: There's a time and a date. >> Leigh: Yeah. Not good. Not good. >> Peter: No. >> Leigh: Rick Allen and then girlfriend Miriam Berenson were taking an afternoon spin in Rick's new 1984 Corvette Stingray on the a 57 highway leading back to Sheffield. What followed was an impromptu high speed chase with a couple of yahoos in an alfa Romeo, and they kind of blew past him on the highway and sort of proceeded to incite Rick Allen into sort of chicken, where it's
like, I'm going to go slow. I'm going to go slow. You better pass me, raspberry. No, you can't pass me. >> Peter: Don't take the bait. No, never take the bait. Do it. >> Leigh: No bullshit like, oh, no, you go. I'd rather you ahead of me than behind me. Fuck off. So Rick attempted to pass the car for approximately 4 miles with no success. They're just sort of playing chicken together. Finally, he had had
enough. He put his foot to the floor, overtook the Alfa Romeo just as they're approaching a left hand curve on the road. So he blew past him, whipped around the corner, and slammed into a brick wall, trapping Miriam in the vehicle and ejecting Rick several meters away into a field. >> Peter: Why did they put that brick wall there? >> Leigh: They probably weren't expecting a drag race. >> Peter: Fair enough. >> Leigh: And their reasons? Stupid.
The Alfa Romeo sped away, never to be heard from again. Police questioned two possible suspects a short time later, but nothing ever came of it. >> Peter: Jesus. Terrifying. >> Leigh: Yeah. Miriam suffered several injuries to her face and body, none of them life threatening or permanent. Rick fared much worse. His left arm had become completely severed from his body, possibly being taken off by the seatbelt. Oh.
>> Peter: So let that be a listen to you. Don't wear your seatbelt. >> Leigh: No. >> Leigh: You peeked at my notes. >> Peter: Oh, shit. Really? Sorry. >> Leigh: That's exactly what I wrote. Never wear your seatbelt. Nothing good can come of it. >> Peter: Do not quote us. Do not take that as advice. That is not. We don't endorse that position. Wear your seatbelt at all times. >> Leigh: I endorse it. >> Peter: Wear two if you can.
>> Leigh: Yeah, yeah. Wear one of those cool cross ones. >> Peter: Yeah. Like my son's car seat. >> Leigh: Yeah. Rick wandered over to a nearby house, knocked on the door, and according to, Doreen Billington, the woman who answered the door, she was greeted by a young man who stated something to the effect of, I'm a famous drummer, and I just lost my arm in a car accident. It really sunk in quickly. Look how fucked he was. >> Peter: Holy shit. >> Leigh: Wow.
>> Leigh: Like, oh. Oh, great. Of all the. >> Peter: And I guess. I guess she knew she wasn't in danger. Cause he wasn't armed. >> Leigh: Ah. >> Leigh: Glad you're here. That was not in my notes. >> Peter: Oh, boy. I've earned my keep. >> Leigh: Wow. That's good. Wow. We love you, Rick. >> Leigh: Ah. >> Leigh: In a small bit of good fortune, misses Billington turned out to be a retired nurse.
>> Peter: That is very fortunate. That's pretty good. >> Leigh: And proceeded to tend to Rick's injuries. Meanwhile, another nurse happened to be driving by, spotted the wreckage and got out to help. >> Peter: Wow. And then, then a surgeon on vacation stopped by. >> Leigh: Oh, I'm not done. >> Peter: Oh, okay.
>> Leigh: Bandaging Rick's shoulder where the arm had been severed, and with help from Tony Beavis, an off duty police officer, who also happened to be moseying on by him, they didn't quite get the surgeon. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: That's, you know, collected Rick's arm and packed it in ice until the ambulance arrived. Rick was being seen to in the casualty ward of Royal Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield, apparently less than 20 minutes after the accident.
>> Peter: Jesus. So, I mean, that's where you want it to happen. >> Leigh: Best case scenario of a worst case scenario. >> Peter: It definitely sounds like he got into a car crash outside a hospital police station. >> Leigh: Pretty much. Hello, I'm a nurse. Oh, my copper. >> Peter: Great. >> Leigh: We know what to do. >> Peter: Good. >> Leigh: Yeah.
>> Leigh: In a very tense and delicate four hour operation, microvascular surgeon doctor Robert Page reattached Rick's left arm. Rick was visited by many friends and family at the hospital, including his bandmates. Singer Joe Elliott recalls hating seeing him in that horrible state. >> Leigh: But he was given hope when Rick's older brother Robert urged Joe to touch Rick's left hand, pointing out like, touch it, it's warm.
>> Leigh: It's red. Yes, you're right. The operation seems successful. >> Peter: oh, you said seemed. >> Leigh: Yeah, I did. >> Leigh: Damn it. >> Leigh: To everyone's total dismay, an infection set in and the arm had to be removed again. Like, he lost it twice. What the. Oh my God. >> Peter: Probably better not to have reattached in the first place. Yeah. >> Leigh: This is a waste of everyone's time. yeah. This time for good. >> Peter: Well, okay.
>> Leigh: Not only that, but there was a period of time where the doctors were concerned that if an infection didn't clear up, there was a real possibility that the right arm would have to be removed as well. >> Peter: Oh, no. >> Leigh: So things are getting darker. >> Peter: Yeah, this is getting. Okay, fair enough.
>> Leigh: but once that slight obstacle was surmounted, the right arm obviously stayed intact and the band just continued working on the hysteria album. The mindset being that there was no way they were going to fire or replace Rick Allen, that it was sort of up to him to say the word, that this was not feasible for him to continue. And he's going to bow out. >> Peter: Fair enough. >> Leigh: His own terms. But according to all involved, this thought never entered his mind.
>> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: rather, he stated almost immediately that he was gonna play, that he had been practicing. Statements made from his hospital bed. >> Peter: He'd been practicing. Okay. >> Leigh: Not sure what that means. >> Peter: I mean, I'd like drum on a table. >> Leigh: Yeah, probably like, okay, yeah, I can do this. >> Peter: I still have rhythm.
>> Leigh: Exactly. so just six weeks after the accident, Rick returned to the studio, just sort of determined to make a go of it. >> Peter: So the band, how many times do you think they tried to high five him? >> Leigh: Oh, right. >> Leigh: Fuck. >> Peter: I just say that because my brother in law, I think you've met. Anyway, he doesn't. >> Leigh: Steve. >> Peter: We've talked about Steve on the podcast. I don't know if I met him full circle.
>> Leigh: Oh, yeah. >> Peter: I mentioned him, like, every episode for the first five episodes. He didn't come up ever again. >> Leigh: Steve. He climbs mountains. >> Peter: Anyway, mountain climber Steve doesn't have a sense of smell. And the amount of times that I've been like, and he has to deal with, I'll forget, though. I'll forget. >> Leigh: So I'll be like, oh, this smells good.
>> Peter: I got this new whiskey. It smells great. Do you want to. Do you want to smell? and he's like, can't smell. And I'm like, oh, I'm an asshole. >> Leigh: Oh, right. Can't smell. >> Peter: So, like, you've told me that every time. >> Leigh: Every time? Yeah, every time I've seen you. >> Peter: What I'm saying is, if you ever lost your arm, I would try to shake your hand every single time. Honestly.
>> Leigh: Yeah. I would do that at least once. Like, some trigger would go off in my brain that would just want to ruin myself. >> Peter: there's a handful of things that my brain has just decided to be stupid about, and one of them is that Steve can't smell. >> Leigh: Yet somehow you manage to ask him every time. It's good stuff. we're good people. Well, evidence. Evidence to the
contrary exists. so while the band, I'm trying to say so, the rest of the band busy themselves with the recording process this time, the drums being completely programmed, of course, cymbals and all, Rick, spent time in a different part of the studio, figuring out just how the hell he's gonna pull this off. Right, so, according to tour manager Malvin Mortimer. nope. Or whatever. >> Peter: Not a real name. >> Leigh: No, just whatever his real name is. >> Peter: Yeah, sure.
>> Leigh: Obviously hiding something. Rick started off with just a kick drum snare and hi hat, and from the sounds of it attempted, just literally to play drums with one arm. Trying to picture. Yeah. Okay. There's stuff you could do. It'd be hard to play a def. >> Peter: Leppard song like sort of hardware. >> Leigh: Till. >> Leigh: You have to do a drum fill, then. >> Peter: Oh, you boy.
>> Leigh: Cute. so apparently it lasted about 15 minutes before he basically collapsed from the effort. so this quickly proved to be not the way to go. >> Peter: Untenable. >> Leigh: Ah. >> Leigh: Untenable. >> Peter: Out of arm's reach. >> Leigh: Exactly. I can't think of one. >> Peter: No, that's all you're. Another one will come up, I'm sure.
>> Leigh: Yeah. So a different approach was devised with help from the people at Simmons, who are well known for their drum pads. A custom kit was built featuring several different foot pedals containing all the triggered sounds that could be also. That could also be found on the pads. Rick would play with his right arm. Okay, so Rick said about spending 8 hours a day mastering this brand new approach to drumming whereby his left foot became his left arm.
>> Peter: Oh, I could see that. >> Leigh: So, yeah, yeah. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Right, right, left, right, right, left. There's your drum beat. Right hand. Ping, ping, ping. It's giving a lot to our listeners. I'm demonstrating. >> Peter: Sure. Lee is waving his arms around. >> Leigh: Yes, I am. >> Peter: Wildly. Arm, I should say. >> Leigh: Arm. >> Leigh: Arm. Yeah. Left one. >> Peter: Yeah.
>> Leigh: Stationary. So that's what he did. A, breakthrough moment occurred at some point during the hysteria sessions with Rick working away, where he emerged and summoned everyone into the room and proceeded to play the iconic drum intro from Led Zeppelin's when the levee breaks. To everyone's amazement, followed by jumps for joy and tears and the whole range of emotions seemed like it was gonna work. Nice. >> Peter: Good job, bud. >> Leigh: There you go.
>> Peter: This is a triumph. >> Leigh: There, you see? I got one. so the real test came when the band returned to the stage. Okay, well, the studio is one thing. they were booked onto the 1986 Monsters of rock tour, a string of european dates, which was also to feature Ozzy Osbourne and Bon Jovi m. sweet home Alabama. No, bon Jovi. >> Leigh: Bon Jovi. >> Peter: Summer 69. >> Leigh: No. >> Peter: There'S another one. Did I say summer 69 just now?
>> Leigh: Are you gonna say it again? I'm gonna leave. I guess I did 5 seconds ago. >> Leigh: God, you like my Jovi Bon Jovi daughter? But I was trying to do math homework while she was in grade one. >> Peter: Oh, my God. >> Leigh: Shout any answer? >> Peter: Tutor. Tutor. >> Leigh: Exactly. >> Peter: The second. The second row. Has trouble with math tutor. >> Leigh: I don't. >> Peter: I'm not. I'm gonna lead him.
>> Leigh: Find out what an ugly human being you can be. >> Peter: Not that, but I'm just. I know I'm gonna lead him down the wrong path. My worst marks were math, really. >> Leigh: Bon Jovi. But I would say to, I don't need an answer fast. Doesn't matter if it's wrong. I just think about it and answer well. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Bonjo. >> Peter: Okay. Bon Jovi. >> Leigh: Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi. >> Peter: It's my life.
>> Leigh: Yeah. Really nice. I didn't think you were gonna m say that one, but I was like, no. Oh, it is awesome. That song. >> Peter: Don't answer fast. Yep, yep, yep, yep. >> Leigh: Good job. >> Peter: Bon Jovi Friday. >> Leigh: Bon Jovi Friday. I thought you're gonna say living on a prayer. No, no. >> Peter: But come on. Obviously not. >> Leigh: No, no, no, no. >> Peter: Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton. Forget it. Let's move on.
>> Leigh: Okay. that's office space. Hi, Michael Bolton. >> Peter: Why should I change my name? He's the one that sucks. >> Leigh: That's so good. >> Leigh: Bon Jovi. So, def Leppard. Choosing not to go into these huge stadium shows cold, they booked a series of club dates throughout Ireland to warm themselves up. At Rick's suggestion, status quo drummer Jeff Rich was brought in to help fill out the sound. So the first three gigs would feel which.
The first three gigs, which feature Rick on his own for the first three songs, which I find weird. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: With Jeff Rich joining in on the second drum kit for the remainder of the set, I would have thought have been the opposite two, and then get him warmed up.
What do I know? at the fourth gig, however, Jeff Rich's flight was delayed, which saw him show up late for the show, resulting in Rick being on his own for the first five songs, after which Jeff kind of slunk behind his kit and joined in. This would prove to be Jeff's last show with the band, as, according to Rick, he approached Rick afterwards and basically said, well, I think you've got this. I'll be going now. >> Peter: Well, fair enough.
>> Leigh: You're doing it. and that's basically it. So they played monsters of rock, and it proved to be this big triumphant comeback for the band. Apparently, at the first show of the tour, Rick Allen was introduced at some point by singer Joe Elliott, and the reaction was explosive and just very heartwarming and redeeming. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: Hysteria came out the following year, in 1987, and would be their biggest album, probably their entire career, I would say.
>> Peter: Wow. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Leigh: There's no way any other album topped that one. >> Peter: Wow. >> Leigh: So, yeah, that's crazy. Triumphant. And I would say so, yeah, I was looking at several videos when I was putting this together, and I found one where you can really get an idea of, ah, how Rick Allen plays his custom drum kit. >> Peter: Yeah, I can't even picture it. >> Leigh: And, just how good he got at it in
pretty short order. The video from 1987 is probably right around when hysteria came out and the band is rehearsing somewhere. They were being filmed, for a tv show or whatever. So it's pro shot, multicam, and the sound is coming off the soundboard and it's brutally unforgiving. The backup vocals sound like, oh, yeah, they're not being helped out by any reverb or anything. >> Peter: You don't want to hear that song.
>> Leigh: But, the intro to the song features sort of a bunch of drum fills before getting to the beat. And it's pretty amazing. It's not just kick snare. He's, like, awesome. Alternating between his hand and his foot. >> Leigh: Like. >> Leigh: Like you would with two hands. Like, holy shit, man. >> Peter: Imagine doing, like, a drum roll with your left foot and right hand. Yeah. >> Leigh: Like it would be a sink or swim. And, you know, he was 20 something, so.
>> Peter: Right, yeah. >> Leigh: He still had the fire of youth. >> Peter: Right. >> Leigh: To fall back on. I mean, it's not surprising to me that he got really good at it. >> Peter: Well, sure. >> Leigh: Because it was just. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: I have to do this. >> Peter: What are you gonna do? >> Leigh: He had the choice. >> Peter: We just put out the best album we've ever done. I'm not gonna stop being in this band.
>> Leigh: he told his mom. He's like. Like she said in an interview, like, he, you know, I was getting complacent. I needed to kick in the ass. That's a pretty big one. >> Peter: That's a big one. Yeah, no, that's, Yeah. >> Leigh: Ah, that's a kick right in the balls, I would say. >> Peter: It's a shot in the arm. >> Leigh: That's what he needed, a shot in the arm. >> Peter: A little too hard. >> Leigh: You needed your arm shot off.
>> Peter: Oh, God. >> Peter: Yep. >> Leigh: And, But, yeah, he had the. He was a fantastic drummer to begin with. >> Peter: Right. >> Leigh: And interesting that one of the few rock drummers who played with the sort of jazz grip. >> Peter: Oh, yeah. >> Leigh: Sort of cross. >> Peter: Have you ever tried that? >> Leigh: Yeah, I frig around with it, but I can't.
>> Peter: I always feel like I'm exactly. I've tried it a few times and I feel like I'm, Like I'm playing around. Like I'm holding it that way because some people hold it that way. I never saw the utility, if you know what I mean. >> Leigh: No. >> Peter: Is it supposed to be faster? >> Leigh: I guess, you know, everyone will tell you there's benefits to one or the other. I think it's more applicable to jazz or especially, like, the marching
band or the. What do you call them, to make. >> Peter: Rolls, like, ghost notes easier? Is that the idea? >> Leigh: Well, you get more. It's just a different, access, to speed if you're bouncing the stick with your thumb rather than your finger. >> Peter: Right. >> Leigh: Yeah, I suppose it kind of goes. >> Peter: Hand in hand with your, play style, I guess. I play the drums as if they've wronged me, so I need maximum leverage. >> Leigh: I'm out for revenge.
>> Peter: Yes. >> Leigh: It's crazy because, you know, rock drummers, I'm sure, like, yeah, I'm pretty good. Like, the better ones. And then you look at some of that. I don't know what you call, like, that stomp the yard shit. Like stuff like high school football. >> Peter: Oh, yeah. >> Leigh: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, and it's the fucking craziest. >> Peter: Yep. >> Leigh: Like, I've watched some videos. Like, I should sort of take something
from this and this person. Okay, this. This next move is called, you know, you know, swish a sweet or whatever. And it's like this drum roll that includes flipping your sticks around. Yeah. It's like. So you got to do this. Yeah. >> Leigh: What the fuck? >> Leigh: You're in high school. It's crazy. >> Peter: Yep. Yeah, yeah. It's not. It's not even the same, like,
discipline. No, it's not. No. It's in the same way that years beyond, you know, the people that go to music school and become jazz drummers, that's like, completely different species. >> Leigh: Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jazz is beyond me. I'm a rocker. >> Peter: You seen whiplash? >> Leigh: Yes. >> Peter: Great movie. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: But that's the kind of drumming where I'm like, I don't. You're on a different planet.
I don't know what you're. I don't know what you're doing. >> Leigh: No, no. It's a whole different discipline. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: Like that whole, like, they. In whiplash, they talk all about that. What was it, double time? swing or whatever, where it's like, you want to go like, ding, ding. >> Peter: Ding, ding ding ding ding ding ding. Yeah. >> Leigh: And I've always been like, how? Yeah, you get. Because we're rock drummers, we go, ting ta
ta ting ta ta ting. It's like, oh, you just do that faster. It's inhuman. Yeah, but the jazz way is. No, no, no. You bounce the stick right off the cymbal. So you're just going ding, ding. Yeah, but the stick is going, ding. >> Peter: Yeah. Yeah. And you're controlling that somehow. >> Leigh: Yeah. Somehow you're having it be in timing, like, the closest analogy, and it's sort of a push pull. Yeah, I can't do that. >> Peter: No. And the closest analogy that I can. Exactly.
Closest analogy is, like, a blast beat. And my understanding of the blast beat is you do it as fast as you possibly can. >> Leigh: Yeah. That's all I. Yeah, I'm the same way. And even blast beats have these, like, oh, you go. You do a push pull. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: You do the one handed. Nope. >> Peter: No power through. >> Leigh: I'm a Mick Harris caveman. Brute. >> Peter: Yeah, brute force. >> Leigh: And there's a speed limit.
>> Peter: I have no. I've never been accused. I cannot be accused of having any finesse on the drums. Yeah. >> Leigh: That reputation's followed me around. >> Peter: Well, but you're way better than I am. >> Leigh: Well, I can keep a beat. You can keep it pretty good beat. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Leigh: But you will go years without playing and be like, let's play ham again and be as good as you ever were.
>> Peter: I have finally. I have finally admitted to myself that I have very solid muscle. memory. Yeah. Like, I guarantee if we. Like, right now, if I sat down over there, I could play every hamstring. And, like, I finally admit to myself that that is an ability of mine. >> Leigh: Oh, yeah. >> Peter: I've noticed that with things like flying, drones, even, like, playing doom now. Now that it's in my bones, like, I'll not do. >> Leigh: You'll never unlearn it.
>> Peter: And I'll sit down and just, like, pick up where I left off. That's my one ability. No. No talent beyond that. But just. I can. It's all. It's in the vault. All right. Music. >> Leigh: Music. >> Peter: Is it a def Leppard song? >> Leigh: Yeah. Oh, I had one more quote I wanted to finish up the episode with. So, Yeah, the quote I've heard from singer Joe Elliot, in a few different interviews. It's obviously a sort of stock answer
for this topic of Rick's drumming. But he says the highest compliment I can pay him is that when we're performing and my back is to him, I have no idea that there's anything different about his drumming. He sounds like a regular drummer. >> Leigh: Nice. >> Leigh: So that's pretty cool. >> Peter: That is awesome. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: I had no idea. >> Leigh: Like, I guess you had some idea.
>> Peter: I had some idea, and then I had no idea that he lost his arm. He was born without. >> Leigh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, were they gonna get this kid with one arm. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: Okay. >> Leigh: Yeah, so that's cool. Like, I. Somewhere in the back of your mind, you knew there's. Oh, yeah. The one armed drummer. Yeah, yeah. >> Peter: But again, I don't. I'm sure I've heard of Def Leppard song. >> Leigh: You can't name one.
>> Peter: Just looking for music. Okay. >> Leigh: So, yeah, music. It's Def Leppard song. >> Peter: Is it? >> Leigh: Did you think it would be. No, no. >> Leigh: Def Leppard were my gateway to heavy metal. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: When I was 13 or 14. Which is funny because, like, they look like a glam metal band, but they're so poppy. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: Like, they're like pop metal. >> Peter: Right.
>> Leigh: And especially the album hysteria is really weird. Like, there's a lot of keyboards. It's just a funny, weird album, but I still love it. I think they're the Beatles of glam metal, to be honest. >> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: So picking one song is not easy. But as I said earlier, you don't really want to pick something from pyromania or hysteria if you want to talk about Rick Allen, because he doesn't fucking play on those albums.
So going back a little bit to their second album, I would pick the title track from that. It's called high and dry. and it's probably better if you watch the video on YouTube and you can see his drumming style. Like I said, he plays with the sort of traditional grip, not the match grip. >> Peter: Yeah. >> Leigh: And, pretty. Pretty awesome song. And some great drumming. >> Leigh: Yeah. Awesome. Check that. >> Leigh: It's good. There are all this stuff.
Not. It wasn't quite what I was describing. Like, pop metal. Like, it's more hard rock. Kind of very influenced by the glam rock in the seventies, like Bowie and T Rex and all that stuff. >> Peter: Right? >> Leigh: Yeah. Check it out. >> Peter: Awesome. I think I will because I need Elizabeth and deaf leopard. Sweet. Okay. >> Leigh: For me, it's my life. Yes. >> Peter: George Michael. >> Leigh: George Michael's great. >> Leigh: Yeah.
>> Peter: last Christmas, you know what? Cause we brought it up. And because they're kind of like my touchstone for this kind of era, I'm gonna go with a motorhead song. >> Leigh: Oh, yeah. >> Peter: Cause I don't know if I've actually. I don't think I've recommended motorhead at any point. Maybe not, but I'm, a motorhead fan, and my favorite song of theirs is go to hell. >> Leigh: I don't know.
>> Peter: You don't know the song go to hell by motorhead? What album is it on? >> Leigh: It is on go to hell. >> Peter: It's clearly on the album. >> Leigh: Go to hell. >> Peter: Iron is. Oh, yeah. Go to hells on iron. I should have known that, because that's. >> Leigh: The album after Aces. >> Peter: Indeed. >> Leigh: Yeah, I know that. >> Peter: So, yeah, the only reason really being is, my touchstone for, like, british rock.
>> Leigh: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Peter: Metal, whatever. >> Leigh: None better. >> Peter: Big, big lemmy fan. go to hell is, yeah, my favorite. My favorite song of theirs. And I imagine that might have been the song that they were listening to when they crashed that car. It's the kind of car. It's the kind of song that makes you want to drive a car fast. I gotta check that out when I get home. Yeah, it's a great, great track. >> Leigh: Deep cut, motorhead.
>> Peter: Deep cut. Go to hell. Check it. Check it out. Cause I think motorhead could use a bump. I don't know. I don't know how they're doing now. >> Leigh: I don't see their t shirts everywhere. It could use some help. >> Leigh: Yeah. >> Peter: I should re up. Mine. Mine. I wore to the gym until it literally fell apart. >> Leigh: Oh, no. >> Peter: So I feel like I need a new one. They, had me at everything. Louder than everything else.
>> Leigh: Yeah. Awesome. >> Peter: So that was a disaster. Thanks, Lee. That was a good one. >> Leigh: Not a problem. That was. >> Peter: Didn't get me up in arms. I was forced. You can cut that one out if you want. >> Leigh: Once I, The second time I ever saw, the Dillinger escape plan, they had no singer. The singer quit the band four days before. So they're just playing instrumentals, and they were telling jokes between songs.
>> Peter: Okay. >> Leigh: And the bass players said, what? What's got ten are ten legs and nine arms? Def Leppard. And then the guitar player is like, liam, no. >> Peter: Dillinger escaped. >> Leigh: Man, oh, man. >> Peter: Anyway, thanks for joining us. That was another disaster, in our series of disasters, on this podcast about disasters. Did you know we're about disasters? We're about disasters.
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Craig is gonna be back sooner, rather later. He's cooking these. He's cooking something. >> Leigh: He's got something in the hop. >> Peter: It's coming. So he'll be back on, and then we'll have more and more disasters. I might even have one coming, slowly but surely. >> Leigh: All right. >> Peter: What they one thing is still up. >> Leigh: Two kids. >> Leigh: Still two kids. Still a career. >> Peter: Yep.
>> Leigh: We're juggling, but I'll be there. Cool, man. >> Peter: So, thanks for joining us, and let's see you in the next disaster. >> Leigh: Bye.