It's almost classic mode. You know, we gave you a time to show up, and then I was, by the way, yeah, because I was about to say that, but I don't want to be rude. First of all. First of all, you know that you guys both know that. That's why we gave her an earlier time on purpose. That's so dude, That's why I text you to forty five. Really well, no, because you were still lately, but we were wondering when wh while we were waiting for you, Like you just said it. You guys know me.
You guys know me. Why are you still like that? To be completely honest, to be completely real with both of you, guys, you don't give a fuck. No, I mean that's what I would guess. I ninety now you know things are a little bit different now. But now on everything I love, ninety nine percent of the time I'm early, I having so, I mean, it's y'all, so I'm just kidding, No, some real shit. Ninety nine percent of the time I'm literally early to whatever
I got to do. Now, I don't believe, I swear. I know it's weird, and I mean you could have proved it by today, but you didn't you know? I mind you. I came from an important place and I was on Shaw and I hit every red light literally like just my luck. But hey, I'm here listen. Most importantly, I'm here put some sound effects on. No. I know it's wild because we're gonna get into it when we start the episode. But you know you being late was the cause of you of my first major radio gig, the first of
many of you later before. We're gonna get to know all about that stuff. So, man, Jesse, are you ready? Let's do it? This could give me fire podcast? What up on Gise? That is John Magic and we are back our special guest today, which we're excited to have her because she's a very good friend of both of our, is a former co worker, an amazing radio personality. But most importantly, I mean, I see it on your Instagram. She's a great mom to her son.
Our good friend Monica Man aka mo momo. It's actually Monica mind oh man? Yeah? Did you he really did say man? Right now? Yeah? I think it's everybody does. But wait, you know you always knew his mom. Yeah, man, he's got two ends at the end. Yes, thank you. Yeah, But there's the there's like an athlete with aren't there's so many? Then they say the man. They do, but I don't know that it's mon I think that's more like your intro was like
longtime friend, all this and you fucked up her last name. But to be fair, I've been calling you man and a lot of times you never corrected him. I'm sure I have. I don't remember, but you really don't really even use my last name. I use my first name ship nobody does. That's true. It's Mo. So why why didn't you ever go by MO on the radio or did you? Yeah? No, no more on the radio? Oh Mo on the radio? On the radio, Yeah,
on the radio like that? I mean, I guess maybe once in a while I would say that, But for the most part I did become Mo. Remember I was Monique when I first started, and that was given to me. Let's let's start there. You're originally from here or are you going to represent the whole London thing? Oh? I thought you meant here is a radio station. I was like, yeah, no, no, no, yeah, well born and raised London, England, okay, but then came out here in the early nineties and been here ever since. Old
were you when you moved to Fresno? Why are you trying to age me out? I was what ten? What was the reason for the move from My dad had this big idea to move to Chicago. That was the original plan. So he moved to Chicago. And that's how it became a Bulls fan back home in England because I was like, oh, Chicago, Michael Jordan, the Bulls. And then it just didn't work out because Chicago's weather was too close to England's weather. Long story short, he visited a friend
in Fresnoe, loved it and here we are. Wow, So where you were you guys in Chicago for a little bit. We our family never went there because he went there to establish everything, get a home and all that, and he was like, yo, the weather is just like oh. So he went out there by himself. He went out to myself to get everything started. And then so on the way back to England after he didn't really like Chicago, he stopped in Fresnoe just to see a friend and was
like, oh my god, palm trees, sunshine, California. I found a new place for us. And it was kind of like you could have kicked la right from England to Fresnoe. Everybody's like, how did you get from England to Freendslow. I'm like, man, you better ask my daddy. Got none to do with it. This is just a side note, and it's it's one of those memories that it just popped in my head after you said that. When I was young, like toddler, like maybe three
years old. I think my dad did the same thing Chicago. He went to Chicago by himself to kind of like, is this where we're gonna live exactly? And we stayed back in the Motherland and then yeah, he then he found southern CALIFORNI well, at least he found southern California. I mean, you know what. No, I say that, and that's not very really really nice, because you know what, I'm in Fresno and this is home, and you know, I love it. This is where I've pretty
much grown up and done it all. So shout out to Fresno. Yeah, I mean I'm born and raised here, so I like it. Yeah, you got five five nine on your shirt? Yeah high school? Did you go to Hoover? Right? Yep? What was the childhood in Fresno? Like? It was cool? I mean obviously just getting here. The culture is so different, right, so I didn't really fit in. I was like the ugly duckling. I don't know how else to explain it,
but I didn't understand the culture. Everything was different here. Back home was really strict, and I got teased from my accent and I didn't used to shave when the accent, Wow, what hold on? Reverse sh did you say? I was in the sixth grade, and yeah, I had hair on my legs, right, And I guess at that point everyone in sixth grade shaving their legs and shit, and I'm sorry, And I remember getting teased like are you gonna shave those things? I'm like, actually, no,
motherfucker, I'm so. I remember like little things like that, like damn, y'all fast out here, you're shaving your legs at ten? I don't know, just like little things like that. But I got teased from my accent, but not necessarily in a bad way. People would just be like say something, yeah, can you say this sentence? When did that fade away? Do you remember? Well? I started faking an American accent seventh grade. Yeah. I started faking it because I was tired of people
saying oh my god, so cute. Can you say that again? I'm like witch, I said water like, but I said what, so it was a little different, but I remember faking it and then I just caught on. The funny thing is my sister never faked it. Obviously, Mom and Dad never faked it. So they still sound pretty British. Do you kind of regret not sounding like that anymore? Because it's cool to yes and no. I mean I guess yeah, I was young and you know, dumb, but it's gone. Yes, Well, my family comes back from
home to visit us. Like when I'm around my family, it sometimes comes out like literally, I'll just start sounding British again. It's kind of weird. Yeah, they've said your influence. I know, I just I don't notice it. But they've mentioned that several times. So we could fast forward fast forward to when MO and I met. You know, it's such a
cool I don't even want to use the word coincidence. But how we how we met before we before we anything, And I'll tell the story in a second, but that's how we met, and then now we're like all great friends and it's crazy. So here's a story. I was doing radio in La and then I got offered the Fresno job. But before I got offered the job, they said, we want to fly you out. We want you to stay, stay a couple of days here and just kind of will tour you around, uh for like a few days. So okay, so
they've back. Then it was clear channel. They booked me a flight out La X. Flew here at the Fresno, got picked up and they're like, your hotel's going to be right across the street from the radio station at the Maria the Mary. I was like, cool, so I check in and who checks me in? No mode check me in? Isn't that weird? I was like, who is this? Mother? And you were the whole You did the friendly like you talk to the guests and you're like,
oh, what are you doing here? You're here for business. I'm like, yeah, I'm here for a possible job. I might be moving here. Now. This had to be two yep, that's yeah, two, three, yeah, going into three. You were like a receptionist. She was there absolutely job yep, front desk, reception, front receptionists. And I just remember you being so kind and correct me if I'm wrong to slip his phone numbers tell the truth. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I
told you, yeah, I might be moving here. I'm from l A and I might be taking a job here. And I think you said, why are you moving? Why are you? Probably did look bad right now, I probably did. But you said you was coming from LA. I was coming from LA and I might be doing radio. And then that was basically it. That's the last time I saw you that I took the job I started. Yeah, damn. Yeah, it's just so weird. So from you working there, how did your radio career start? God, I
got the worst memory. I was hoping y'all wouldn't ask me all these questions. So Jizo brought up that you were an intern. I don't even remember. I was like, actually was? I was interning with Ji? Yeah together, I came little you're but I think you're like a semester before me though, Yeah, yeah like that. So how did that happen? I heard about the program from school. I want to say I heard a commercial on that That's how I heard it. Yeah, they did to play commercial
commercial. But I was in the master Yeah probably place. Isn't that even more crazy? But I was in the mass communication and journalism department at Present State. So it was radio something you wanted to get into or just like mask something in mass communications school to be in a sports commentator. So yes, yeah, you know, because I just I've always had a love for basketball. I wanted to do that. That's why I went to school and
studied. But I think they talked about maybe an opportunity and an internship in radio there, but you had to do something. You had to do TV or radio, like it's some interning hours. And then I think it was a commercial I heard, and so I maybe came in filled out an application. I think that's how it worked out, and they called me back and interviewed I think with g if I'm right, and that was it, right? Yeah, And I think you could intern a max of three semesters something
like that. I was for about eight semesters. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how that happened. But what do you remember from your first time in years? Yeah, because I don't remember anything grinding. I remember. I remember a lot. I remember, especially when Jise came through, like we were together at every event. We hustled, we hustled like we were making one hundred dollars an hour. Yeah, we were at working,
working for free, but we didn't. Money wasn't even in thing. I mean, mind you, this was twenty this was two thousand, let's just say three. I mean it wasn't so bad in the house. I did have written stuff, but money wasn't. Money wasn't what it was now, right, like you got to change jobs and shit. Exactly back then, I think, you know, I don't know how surviving, but I was. But I was fine. So it wasn't like, oh I got to make money to go to this event. No, I didn't even question it.
We were at every event that you could even possibly think of. Hell, we were probably at events for the country station and the damn rock station. We want even like remotes. I was showing up too, everything everything. We didn't question the money. We didn't even ask for money. We just wanted to be in. We had a passion for this music shit like this entertainment business. You know. And Jizzo knows this because we talk about you just knowing someone has it, and I do remember I was a fan
of GIZZL. I know he had it, and I think you were the other person. I was like, she has it, and you know this is gonna she has a good future. And the only reason why I bring up YouTube because then is this one. I recruited everyone to be part of this thing called the Flavor Unit. Yeah. You basically recruited me and Mo like help run your show. And you were doing night show. I was doing the night show. Yeah, he had a three hour show. Still complaining was it? Yeah, yeah, you go from seven to ten.
That's right, fucking three hours. Right. But anyways, you needed like some side kids. I wanted the party atmosphere that I was used to, so I was trying to remain We were give it to you. Yeah, we were background noise. Yeah, so it was YouTube and butters. We even made shirts. Yeah, it was John Magic and the favor I mean, and that wasn't like the early days of radio, but that was early
enough that we are blessed us three. I mean, I'm speaking just for us three now that we were blessed to experience kind of the early radio day where there was less politics and more fun. Ye, say what you want to do, what you want talk about the other station. It's all good. It's in fun and games like you know, like it was because we were having this conversation with Carmen, and she was even talking about how like all the pranks that she had to do, and like that's wow, that's
not even a thing anymore. Pardon them, I never did that, but even that pranks like like doing fun stuff in the radio. But people are listening in their cars, but they can still see it because it's it's so well spoken of and yeah, like it was different. Man. Before we go to the next timeline, during the Flavor Unit days during the night show with us, any memories that stand out to you, it's like tons. I mean, not not specific incidences, but just the fact that I wanted
to show up every single day. I didn't want to miss a I didn't want to miss a beat. I loved it. It was my I mean, and you know, it's a passion that you have. It's not something that you just want to go to work today. No, man, I can't wait to get there. What are we talking about tonight? What are we doing tonight? Who were talking shit about tonight? You know in a fun, fun, fun way, all those things? Where were going tonight? What club we hosted tonight? What club will we falling asleep at?
Like you know, what artists is coming what time we got to be there, Like there was no like it was just all about what does radio need because we're gonna be there, like we're gonna do this. What was so what happened next? You were still so during the Flavor Unit you were still an intern I don't know, was I am I gonna have to be like the history guy for all this. I have a good memory. Yeah, So I remember a part time situation had it opened up. It was just
like weekends, because you know, that's how like you start. And then I remember g I said, if I wanted to apply for it, I think I had to give him air check and you added too, and from what I was told, it was basically between me and Mo, and then Mo ended up getting it. She she was a little bit more seasoned than I was. I think I was just on my first semester, and like you said, you were ahead of me, and so Mo had gotten the
weekend gig and that's how you had gotten in. And then I still was rocking an internship for like the next year, I think after that, so I was doing weekends and probably getting paid for it. But so then I was still doing Flavor Unit, maybe maybe running the board or something for like an hour. I mean, yeah, remember so fun. Do you remember getting hired like a f actually getting here? Do you remember that? No?
I really don't know. I mean I have a picture of me signing a contract with G I kind of remember that, but it just when was do you know, like when you went to the morning show. I guess that's kind of like what we want to get into. Great question. I remember the I know, aren't you going to answer that? For? No? I remember the morning show. It was Margarita, if I'm right. She was doing mornings with and Dre and then she left for whatever reason.
Then you stepped in, right, and then I think they came to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that's kind of how that went down. And I started doing mornings. Were you doing Yeah, so you were doing mornings and weekends or just mornings or mornings and mid days. It came to midday shortly after again, and I started doing mornings and mid days. And I think I'm still doing weekends. Okay, I think I'm
still doing weekends. So from our memory went from weekends there was an opening in the morning, then you got on yeah, something like that, and then that's when it was the Juice Crew is used G and Dre and then you guys are rocking? Well was the run on that? How many years? Because I know you guys were a popular show? Oh three about four years? Maybe three? Was it more than that? Cat okay? And then the big thing I guess it years ten thirteen years, and we were
we were you know, we were good. We were family like no you That's what I remember them three being like, yo, this is a good trio. Yeah. Well, I mean I think uh, because I think they had switched out because it felt like the girl was always getting switched out, right, because even before Margarita, there was another. It was another she wasn't it the one who had she had died. I think she had passed away. Oh yeah, she was Asian. Yeah, but that's when
I first started here. And then I heard about Chee Chi le Oh. I think, so, yeah, I heard about her, So when I moved here, she passed away. And then I think Margarita had got on because she had won a contest and then she had a little I know, my memory is crazy, but she had she had left for whatever reason, and then that's when you slipped in, yes, and then feel like that was like that show like they had find their there I found their trio until more fucked it up and and we'll get to that. No, yes,
so man, those are some good times. I'll give us any details of you getting fired for my first time in radio, absolutely well. It started with a few suspensions first, right, a few like listen, I'm just going to keep it as possible and as real as possible. During that time when I was doing the morning show, obviously it was kind of the start of radio for me, and I was doing it and I was absolutely loving it. It was like, like, you guys know, the passion we
have for this ship is different. It's not just trying to be on the air because you want to be something, you want to be cool. Yeah, it is itself. No, it's some real shit. It's some real love and passion for it, right, And man did I love it like it was my everything. At that same time, I started an I'm trying to say this the most humblest way ever, and y'all know me, I'm
not even fucking like that. But I started blowing up a little bit, right, So people started knowing who I was, and I was I was given the opportunity to like literally host so many clubs events remem so for over a year, maybe two years, maybe three years, I can't remember, but I was hosting clubs Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights for show, like three nights a week, one hundred percent. Sometimes Wednesday, so Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. So I'm getting to the club. Let's
just say about no later than ten. But the problem was I was leaving the club. I don't know. You guys know how it works back in the day. I don't know how it is now. But wait to get a because you're waiting to get paid reading. So the club's done at one twenty. Then you gotta sit around wait for them to count their fucking money. You gotta make sure you're getting your money. You got it. You know, it's so much involved. You guys know behind the scenes what it
is. So there it is. I'm getting my little whatever amount of money at two o'clock at night, and then I'm going home. Then I'm trying to wake up and be at the studio by five, five fifteen in the morning. It became a major issue. I couldn't I just couldn't be on time. And then mind you. Of course I was probably drinking ninety percent
of the time, right, I was a rookie. I didn't realized the busy in this aspect, like, come on, mob professional, It was kind of part of your stint, right you go, you chill, people buying you drinks like you're drinking. You're having a good time. And I got so caught up in that, like and I was new in radio. I didn't know anybody. I was having such a great time, and I was meeting so many great people and they were making me feel so great.
And it was just a vibe like literally four days a week, every week. And that's when clubs were popping in Fresno, Presnel clubs now. But shit back there in early two thousands. I mean, it was like Monday through Sundays. We were lit. We were lit, and we was at most of them, most of them, and I was there. And so what became the main issue which led me to get fired for my first time was just I could not be on time to my show. I'm showing up
to my show. It's damn near over, you know. And g Man is And by the way, g Man was our boss at that time. He was the program director of the whole station. So I'm walking in all my boss to our show late as hell at least three days a week, at least three days a week, you were late three days a week probably, oh man. And when I'm saying late, I'm saying okay, thirty minutes sometimes an hour at some time. Yeah. Like, well, first they kept it in house. I mean, I'm not gonna lie man Ge
to this day. I can't thank him enough for how much he looked out for me. If g wanted to, he could have been fired me after the first let's just say four times being late, because that's just unprofessional. So he just kept giving you a chance. And I think he knew what I was out there doing too, and he knew I wasn't a bad person. He knew I wasn't like I fucked this job out of here. He knew how much I loved it and had a passion for it. But I mean, at the end of the day, he had to do his job
right. So was it just because you were you were just too tired to get up, or you slept through the alarm. I don't know what the fuck I was doing. Shit, I was just waking up and I was like, oh my god, it's five o'clock. I was supposed to be here at five o'clock. Like it just literally that's simplified, and that's stupid. When I look back now, I'm like, wow, Mo, But I mean it was a learning lesson. I get, well, was it
because you were just talking late today? Imagine that she was still doing radio? Now with the technology we have where you could record shows, i'd be late for my home recorded ship. Yeah. No. But so that's just basically what happened. He had given me so many chances, even dre As my big bro, would put me inside like Mo, man, come on, like come on, so what was the sword? So then I got warning after warning and g was like, MO, like this can't happen again,
Like now corporates on my ass. You know sometimes people are listening to the radio. You're not even on the radio. They're oh, MO has the day off? No, MO, just ain't even here yet. How many times can jeez? You know? Yeah? Yeah, so he had my back, man, he really did. But and he gave me those warnings like if this happens again, Mo, but this is probably like one hundred times, I don't know, like I can't do this. I have to let you go, Like now the uppers are in on this. I
got to do my job. I said, okay, no problem, won't be laid ever again. Shit next day guess what? Okay, maybe not the next day, but it happened again, obviously, and he was just like and I could tell he was so hurt because I knew it was coming. Yeah. Well yeah, So what was the routine like of you, of you coming in and then what did they say? Where did you go? No? I don't remember, but it's that typical radio stuff, like you feel it, like you feel sonics going down, like everyone's like the
energies heard in the studio, like I felt it. And then he might have just been like, this is what it is. And was it the classic thing where you do or they have you do the whole show first, because I heard that's what they do so you don't talk shit? Yeah yeah, oh yeah, probably because it's been incidences in radio. One happened in early two thousands. I can't remember who it was now, but they let someone go and let her do her show. After that, she went off
on the air. Oh my gosh, I'll never forget that. I wish I could remember. It was a classic. I'm sure you could find it on YouTube. But she was like this and that's why she just like told everybody's business. But I mean, and I would never have done that anyway, because it was my fault. I remember a memory I have from that is I was upset. I was but at you because you were such a
talent and we were all so disappointed you really did it to yourself. I did, and we would just be like, you know, just to be open and honest. I was like, she's stupid, Like, she's so stupid for doing that. And the older I get and the more I look back on it, I'm like, damn. You know, like obviously everything happens for a reason. I wonder what that reason was. When I got fired that day. You know what I did. I left the studio, signed my little paper, literally left the studio. I think I had a
Honda at the time. God, my Honda. Drove straight to the cemetery to Boogie's gravesite, right, and I just bawled for like two hours straight, sat there cried, just oh it was it was. I mean, I know y'all haven't had a heartbreak before, right, that feeling in your heart like I can't explain it right, Like you got cheated on, Like
it's the worst. I can't as like triple triple that. It was horrible, right, So I sat there crying, crying, And then right after that, I went and got this tattoo right here, just this one, and it says time waits for no Man. So my last name is man. So instead of putting time weights for no man, which is the saying, right, I put time weights for no mon to remind myself, you fucking idiot, you got fired over being late. Like, think about it, you know. I mean, it's that's just literally what it was,
what you get fired for for being late. People don't understand it when I say that, but that's just what it was, you know. And so trust me, to this day, you're supposed to have no regrets, and maybe I don't. Maybe I don't regret it. It's been a while now, but I'm like, what the fuck? You know? So then after that was you jumped over to the competition, right, wasn't it like literally
the next day or that day. I just remember that day. Wow, Wow, I just got we got to remind people listening because they're not radio savvy, not everybody, but in radio, word gets around like something happens in radio. Everybody knows what they posted on like that radio. Yeah, and even if they don't post it, somebody's like someone is gonna know before you even tell anybody, which is crazy. Yeah. So word got out fast, like I think fast. I think I had God, like everybody
knew within like an hour for some reason. That's just how radio is, right exactly. And then I got a phone call and I can't even remember, So you got recruited? Yeah, am phone call? Wow, Okay, okay, come over here, you know, come you remember who called you? I don't. I want to say Tommy, but it might have been. He was the people like come through, come over here, get on the air tonight. And I was on the air night. I remember. I remember I was listening because I wanted to know, like I wanted
to know like this I want I wanted to know. Now that you're saying this, I do remember all of us were like wet because what is she gonna say? Oh my god, that we got Carmen podcast. You're gonna hear mo literally from the like somebody comes into the pick up the tickets They're like, who is that? And what is happening? Back there's a little
toy, you know what. And it's funny that she brings up my laugh because when I was doing the morning show with G and Dre, they used to always like harass me about my laugh, Like I tried to check as loud as I remember, like, yeah, Jisel is shutting you up several times hours like mo too, Yeah it's embarrassing means I remember the yeah, I'm so. We got people out there trying to work and ship used to get your laugh, that's right, But yeah, man, my laugh like
that kind of got in the way of some things too. I mean, I can't help it. But they liked it or did they not like it? I can't remember, but y'all used to hate it though, yes, used to still still I really try to control it, but sometimes it just comes out. Anyways, let's get back on track. So, uh, you're that was it? Yeah? You got You were at the competition. They threw you on air that day and I think it was I want to say it was Davy to put you on, and I just remember he was
like, we're gonna shake the city up. He was like this is about to go crazy, and I already knew what was gonna happen. We already knew, and I just wanted to see like how most sounded or what she was going to say. And yeah, they put you on that was that was Yeah. Well I guess I can't really say the station, but you can say, yeah, okay. So that was the other station in Fresno with the same format, Q ninety seven and that was out in Vicealia.
Yeah, we've talked about it in the House episodes. Yep, it was. It was similar to a house. We used to call it the basis, similar to house. It was a house. It was a house made into a studio. Yeah, so what was the offer you're gonna do? What show? Oh gosh, she you put me on the spot probably started off as like weekends or some ride or weekends, because I don't know days. Is this during the time. I mean, I guess we could kind of jump, you know, we don't want to kind of take too long
on it. But was this the era of you going to different stations like you for a minute, I don't remember, Like they like I have nothing but love for everybody there. They just like became my bros. Like I loved it there, just like I loved it here. You know what I'm saying. I mean fit right in, drove to Vicealia every damn day. We called it the basement, went to the basement, did my show.
It was great and that now that's the story of because I got fired from there too, right yeah up, let me just jump to that story because to this day that story is fucking crazy. But the reason I got fired from Q ninety seven because everything was all good. I was doing my thing, having great times. This is a very long story. Short, long story short. There was a concert. I don't even know who it was. I think Drake. Yeah, I mean, come out here, it'd
have been Drake. I remember, No, I don't remember. Kendrick opened for Drake. Yeah. Then when Kendrick came upstairs here at the station first went to that show. Yeah I didn't know. That is when Kendrick opened and it was a Drake. Was this Wow? This was this full Circle Arena or probably Save Mark Center and this check this fucking crazy ass story out. So so a winner had one tickets to the Drake show. Mind, you were in Vicelia. I want to say the show was that night,
right, So somebody affiliated with the radio station. I'm not gonna say no names. I don't want to go there. But someone affiliated with the radio station called me and was like, hey, do you mind taking the winner who lives in Fresno taking their tickets to the Save Art Center, meet them there, give them their tickets there. It was that type of thing. Okay, and mind you my memories kind of shot, but that was the main thing, and I was just like, okay, yeah, cool,
I'll do that. So I did that long story short, get to the Savemart Center. While I'm there, right, and this is a long story short. While I'm at the Save Art Center, I am calling and you guys know me, I'm not about no shady ass fucking shit. I was in radio hell of years prior to that. I've had advantage of getting any tickets I want. And just like we all did an we could go wherever
we want, do whatever we want, right for free. So I'm there, I'm calling the listener to say, hey, I'm over here at this location, meet me for your tickets. I had no service, like literally, I was trying to get a hold of this participant, could not participant. Sorry, I'm thinking about my listener. Listener, Yeah, texting and calling. I just there was no service for some reason at the same Mart center wherever I was. Yeah, and so I'm just like, this is
annoying. I'm trying to like go into the show because of course I have my own tickets. Ago I'm trying to go on the show. Like, how am I gonna keep just waiting out here? So I'm okay, let me go inside and then I'll just keep hitting them from inside and then I'll go outside and give him his tickets. Long story short, it was even worse Thanside couldn't get a hold of my dad show starting, and shit, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I wasn't worried about it no more.
I kind of forgot because I'm I'm in the mix. I'm a shit Drake's coming out like it was that type of thing, right, Long story short. Listener never got the tickets. Long story short, it just never happened. The next day, I come to work the GM at the time, now my program director because he always had my back, but the general manager, you know, kind of the ones that never been a program director's boss. Yeah, so literally came down pissed off, didn't ask me anything about
the situation. Literally basically told me I'm done. Wow, didn't even let me explain why the listener did not get the tickets because the listener's mama called and compleat rightfully, So I would too, I'd be pissed. I even offered, I will go to T mobile and get a print out of how many times I called in Texas Listener to get the tickets. But somehow it
just didn't happen. I had no service. Literally, it was just that dumb of a story and it just never happened, right, And I'm like, damn, I should never have done this a favor for this person to hook him up and give him the tickets anyway, I should have just had him drive to fight sales. So basically, they never got their tickets, so they were a mad. Yeah, of course, and I understand, Yeah, thousand percent. I would be pissed as hell. But you're gonna
fire me over that. You're supposed to be loyal. I'm your I'm your loyal like on your personality you think I would like, I don't know what they thought, Like he didn't even give me a chance to explain myself, like this is what happened. Bro, it was just kind of like, oh, yeah, you're kind of out of here. We got to complain. Damn. It was so crazy. You know, I back you hundred percent on how they did that. My question is, I'm just trying to
put myself in that situation. I would be contacting this person through my drive through like throughout the day the men I got the ticket, this I was asked to take, Like this was literally late like probably after my together. It was last thing like this person said, Hey, I was gonna go up there and grab the tickets, but I'm in Fresno. Can you just grab them on your way out and give him to the to the listener. It was I was doing a favor for somebody else, right, And it's
still follow me because I accepted the favor. Yeah, I'll do it, no problem. But I should have said no, because you know, it just gets too sometimes like and that's obviously what happened. Literally, that is that's the story. Damn. Like it's like, if you really like fucked with me and knew what I brought to the table at this radio station and how much passion I had for how much love I had, you would call me in and be like, mo, what happened. He didn't even do
that. The thing is, they could have made it up to the listener in a way, giving them some other tickets. And just like, if anything, I most suspend you, but I feel like even a suspension is a lot would have been wrong. But that would have been better than getting fired. Yeah, exactly, like literally and I and I and I felt so bad for that listener of course, because I would never do such a thing, right. My intention was to get in the tickets. It just
got the night just got fucked. But I sent I think his mom or him a nice email explaining how sorry it was what happened. And the mom even wrote me back like not all pissed, but just but saying I understand. I was pissed. Of course I'm pissed, but I understand, you know, like she had respect for what I did. They let go of the guy that you did the favor for you. No, he was one of the headhunters. Yea, yeah, he was one of the head on because he's really the root of the reason. Yeah. Yeah. I never
brought that up, never said nothing. I just couldn't believe it. I was just like, okay, we're doing this again, all right? I never knew that. Yeah, okay, so that's fire number two. Then what did you do after that? Then? I got a phone call maybe that day or the next day from program director in Bakersfield. Jay read fucking dog to this day man. And that's that's the great thing. I still got such a great relationship with all my former program directors, you know what
I'm saying. But he called me and was like, ever thought about Bakersfield? And I was like, uh no, to be honest, I haven't, but Shit talk to me, and long story short, he just basically said, you know, we might have an open position if you're interested to come check it out this and that I went, you know, you introduced me to the guys there and said, you know, let her get on air just to see how you feel in it. Long story short, I did that obviously, fell in love with it, and shit moved out there
like two months later, got me apartment. And how long were you at that station that was hot? A few years? Yeah? Yeah, it was that. It was HITS ninety three point one, which was like pop station. Yeah, you know, like justin Timberlake and stuff like that. And they gave you more responsibilities there too. If I'm not mistaken, I feel like it was weren't you like the promotions director too or someone? Yeah,
well that was that Q ninety seven. Oh okay, promotions. Yeah, I was doing helping with the promotions and all that at Q ninety seve, which I absolutely loved. And I think you didn't you tell me you enjoyed Bakersfield, like you know what I did. I mean, so many people talk shit about Bakersfield, like, ain't nothing out there, It's just a pit stop, you know, and whatever. But I got out there and I was by myself, and I got my own spot, and I
go to the radio station every day. I got an apartment literally across the street from the radio station from here, like to the Marriott. It was that convenient for me. And I was at the studio all day, and I had all the my boys were my boys or like my big bros, my family, like at the station every day. And then what do you know, I started getting all these gigs. So every night I'm like out hosting stuff in a city where I don't know anyone, which actually felt good,
like I didn't know anyone. And then on the weekends, I could just go out anywhere looking ugly as hell because I didn't know anyone. So that part of it was different. And I didn't have to be like, oh, let me get cute just in case I see someone and they want to take a pic. Heyll No, nobody knew me in Bakersfield, and that was kind of a I don't know, I kind of liked that for a while. In the beginning, it was like lokey, it was like low key. Yeah, it felt good. But then you know, I
started doing more remotes, more events, more clubs, hosting stuff. It started to get real lit. Yeah, and I was doing everything by myself, you know, and we were keeping we were in touch. Now I'm sure, and I think you didn't get fired or did you. I think you to leave. Yeah, that's what I remember that. Oh, that's what happened. I was trying to remember, like why you left Baker's. Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want to. I remember we
would conversate it. Now it's hitting me, Yeah, you would. You would ask me like what should I do? Yeah, I stay here. I wanted to stay, but you know, I needed my family around me and all. Yeah, you were saying I remember our conversations. Yeah, that is so crazy and and so I mean, and it wasn't. I was in denial because I knew. I was thinking like, Okay, when I have this baby, how am I going to do this out here? Like you know what I mean? Plus I needed time bonding with my baby.
It was just so many different thoughts. But I couldn't imagine myself leaving radio. So I told my boss I'll be back and he was like, no, you won't. Like he knew, you know, but I couldn't say those words, you know that I was leaving. And here's another funny thing. When I was getting ready to, you know, do my last days in radio, I got a phone call from the program director in Las Vegas and she offered me a fucking caig yet Vegas for a little bit.
Or no, didn't do Vagae, Oh you turned it Downburquerque, New Mexico. While I was in Bakersfield, I got another station and I was voice tracking for them. I was recording. I forgot the name of the station, but it was a station now in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Shout out to me was like a station the opportunity. Yeah, I kind of like a sister station to the Bakersfield Company. So I was I had a show
out there and then the show and Bakersfield at the same time. But when I when I had made the decision for sure, okay coming up, I got a bounce. I got to get out of Bakersfield. It was I think I might have been about seven eight months pregnant at that time. I got a phone call to come to Vegas and do Vegas Radio, and you turned it down. And I had been wanting to do Vegas radio. I
had to turn it down. I was eight months pregnant. They wanted me to pop yeah, And I was like, was it that female that female program director? Yeh, do you remember her name? She was like big, she was a big name in the radio. I forgot her name. I'm losing it in my mind. I know. I don't like, oh yeah, yeah, you know, you know, I know, I know because yeah, okay, so that never happened, So that never just stayed here. Yeah, well you came back here, you had your son,
had my son, and you're on mom mode for years. Oh yeah, I didn't work for a minute, because then what got what got you back into radio? Gizo says, I had a part of it. I don't remember, and I don't either. I assumed that an opening happened and magic had through your name and a hat. That's what I thought, you know what you saying that? I can you can you remind me who the p D was at that time? Had to be ste No, it wasn't Tony.
It wasn't Tony because I left. Yeah, Steve Weed, All right, Okay, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think you're right, Like, because you are APD, that's it's a program director. You through that flex and I said that it's it's been years. Yeah, I want to say you did do that, and I think it was just like a part time weekend thing, but just to get you back and get her back in the building, because the plan is always once you're in the building,
something will happen. You're a good worker, and so I knew that would happen for you. So I think I think you're right. I did. I did a fight for you to get back weekends or something like that, and then you did. Right, Yeah it was weekends, but I would be here all the time. I don't know what the hell I was doing, but I was always around and then this is sort of like wrapping up your radio career. Did you get a full time gig during that stint of
getting back Yes, because you did the night show night Oh wow. So from there the night position opened up. They offered it to me. Of course, I said yes, and then I started doing Yes. Then I started doing nights for a minute. So I did nights for a while, absolutely loved it. It was a struggle because my son was like what two years old at that time. Three I mean between us three and the rest of the world listening, I had to bring him to work with me sometimes.
I remember struggle. He used to be in the background talking and shit, and I'm trying to do a live talk break. I'm like, oh my god, one day I'm gonna get caught. But I had to do what I had to do, man, And so he would be in the studio with me many times while I was doing my show. But was this around twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, Yeah, it had to be, yeah, twenty nineteen. This was COVID COVID twenty twenty, so it was the beginning of twenty twenty. Okay, so it was right before that, huh
yep, So yeah, because I've been out of radio three. It'll be four years in August, I think, And this is a good way to kind of, you know, wrap up the storyline of the beginning of MO and I meeting when I first moved here, and the during that time of twenty twenty, the nationwide layoffs from iHeartRadio, Heart Radio because we were going to be taken over by as they say, robots. Yeah, so can
you any memories from that lege? Yeah. The memories I have is when the big dogs came down and they would have like meetings in our studio while we were at work. They would come Visita Corporate. Corporate was here. They were in and out. We and you always know something's going on in radio, so we all had like we're like kind of on the edge of our seats, like something's happening, Like they keep visiting here. It was something as weird, the energy's off. It was going on for weeks,
you know. And then I remember one of the guys came in to talk to me about my job and what I do and how I feel about it and all this shit, and I was like, what is happening? Yeah, did you go through that interview process where you're trying to corporate people. I didn't. Yeah, yeah, same year. Yeah, yeah, we all did. I think they were talking to everyone. I think they made it very obvious. I don't know about you, guys. I didn't think anything of it. You didn't, No, I did. I thought it
was weird because I'm like, the fuck is going on around here? The energy just felt off. I was in a different situation. I got bamboozled because this is just a side story of They put me into this class of ten people and it was an online class for a month to train, you know, how to be a PD. What Visa our boss now out, Visa was in that class. I was in that class. So in my head, I'm like, oh, they're training me for the future. So
those meetings, I didn't have anything to it different. That's but ironically still well, I will say, I think this is where it all fucked up for me. I specifically remember the corporate people were like, so, what do you think about country music somewhere else? At the time, I was
young. I was you know, I think I forget how I was, but you were younger, late thirties, So I was like, nah, Like I kind of said at nonchalan like no, it's not my thing right now, not really understanding radio, like just I mean, I'm not mad at that though, Like I feel like I would say no, right even if I knew my job was on the line, like no, I'm not going to sell out, you know, I mean just to have a job, because that's completely different. But what if they asked you, would you
do pop? Would you do pop? Because that's what happened to me in Bakersfield. I was like pop, you better give me hip hop. But then I was like I could do pop, like I could do pop trees just kind of out of them, like well, now that I'm older, like I actually enjoy country. But I think that was my demise when I was like nah, because they oh they offered, not offered me, but
they said, what do you think about programming country? And I was like nah, I remember this, yes, And I think that was my demise. Huh. So wonder like I can't use you no more? So, how how was the layoff? Do you remember that day? Like when it happened? Yeah, because me and you got fired that same day, didn't well, well, I don't know. I don't think it was the same day unless maybe was it the same day. I don't I actually don't remember that. Yes, it had to be. We pulled up into the parking
lot at the same time because they said come in for a meeting. I already knew what that meant. I knew one hundred percent I was fired, right, So that's why you said come in for a meeting. I think it was two PM or ten am or it was early. Huh, it was early early and I pull up in the parking lot. No one was your Yeah, Magic pulls up. I'm like, oh shit, we both getting fired. But then when we got out the car, I was like we were talking about it, like damn, this is it, and I'm
like, man, you're not going nowhere. They're not going to fire you. I'm thinking, why the fuck would they it? We got fired on the same day. I'll never forget that long ass walk up the fucking stairs to his office and then you go in the office. Typical ship. You know, I've been through this a few times already, routine fucking contract on the table. He's sitting right there like, oh, come on in. So Moe was one of the first ones to get let go, and we
were like you weren't in the building. You you didn't come until after time, but I was getting the play by play though, Yeah, you were giving me the play. Yeah, because then the Spanish station people there starting. You just saw like people packing up and I'm witnessing all this and you know what, hurt my feelings a lot, and they do this to everyone. It wasn't just the MOE thing, but it's so fucking annoying. It's
just when you get fired, they have to like assist you. They have to walk you everywhere you go and get your stuff, like calm down, anybody gonna get on the air and talk shit like you know, and then they have to walk all your ship protocol, walk you to your office to get all your belongings. I was like, I didn't like that. I think out of everything, I was like, dude, if you don't get
off my back. And again we got to mention this was a nationwide thing and they were trying to just cut down to a small I mean yeah, smaller group and this was happening the whole with the whole company. So yeah, we just saw all these people like leaving carrying boxes and I think I called so many people and Gise you might have been one of them. I was like, I think I'm next. And I remember talking to Visa.
I was like, I think I'm next, and he was like no. I was like, I have a feeling and I'm just walking in the hallways and Steve catches me in the hallway our GM and he's all magic fall me and no out loud. I go no, I go like that like in the hallway, that's funny. I go no, and he just like put his head down and to just Steve always tells the story how that was like
the like you know, he was in the room. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to do this, but I've been like the whole you know, because to be honest, I mean, in his defense, it wasn't his choice. And we had such a great team. Yeah, we did have a good team in front of him literally like a fan because we were
all friends from the beginning. Yeah yeah, I mean we really came because Carmen was here during that time too, So we were all like here at the same time together and we had all we had all finally had like we're all full time, we're all on the squad together. Yeah, and then you know, remember, so we got you're right, we got laid off
at the same day, right, No, I was. I think maybe later on I did, but I remember calling you and I was like, it happened to me too, and you were like what And we met for lunch and yeah, that's right. Start talking about this. I know, I remember that. That's crazy and you would think. I mean, that wasn't my first rodeo, but it still cuts deep, man, like you know what I mean, especially when it's not your fault. So that was your last radio gig, right, Yeah, that's it years ago. That
was it. And now what are you doing now? You're doing a great thing for the community. Yeah. Now I'm working with young adults between the ages of sixteen and twenty four, those who have been previously incarcerated. Once they get out and they need that guidance and need to get back into the workforce. You know, I help out with that. So completely different. But you know, I relate to the kids like I did when I was
in radio. I'm on their level. You know. They can talk to me, vent to me, and I'm still still mo you know, and uh you know you get that, you ever get that itch? Still I do? Yeah, even knowing how the radio business, especially when I like, you listen to some other people and you're like, I'm better than that. I don't want to go there, but like, yeah, you know, I do get that right exactly. Oh yeah, fact, yeah yeah.
So I mean there's always that passion, right, It's not something you turn on and off like it's like some real shit, you know what I mean. That's the difference between me, I think, and a lot of people. It's a real path, like a real I had a real love for it, and I still do, you know. It's just life is different. And I always wonder, like, Okay, I got fired from that night show, what was a reason? Like you know, they say there's always a reason, and I wonder, like what was the reason?
Maybe it was so I could be more present with my kid, because when I look back now, I put radio before everything, like before friends before family. With radio calls, I'm there. I'm not asking anyone any questions. I'm just there. You need me for an interview, you need me to show up to this event, you need me to host. I am there no matter what time, no matter what day, I'm there. That's
just that's that's what I want to do. And I feel like I did that so much and just wasn't available in other areas and so when radio like you know, canceled for me, I was just well, my baby, like you know, so maybe maybe that was the reason, you know, I mean, I don't know. Well you're doing great things now, thank you, and yeah, life is different, man, do you have I
have one last question? But do you have anything? Jazee? No, I mean one thing that I got to say that I've always said this is just like from a talent perspective, I always felt that Moe was just wanted to just naturally talented and on air personalities that I've ever heard, like, I mean across the board. It's just she couldn't fucking be here on time, Like if you could have just fixed that, like honestly, like just straight talent. Why is like one of the best I've ever heard. But
with this episode, that's the reason why she was sought after. She kept getting offered, and that's why I wanted her back because I knew her talent. Yeah, I appreciate that you guys, like man, so many good memories, so many good times, and the chemistry we had was so important. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I mean call everyone your
bros. No, like these are bros. Like this is fucking like That's why I tell people like my friends are my co workers, you know what I'm saying, Like literally not like, oh we work together, so we just go out after for work like no, like these are on my day off, Like this is who I hung out with and then we go to fucking work together. Like it doesn't get any better than that, you know. I mean like we've been through some ship, the ups the downs,
like you know what I'm saying. I want to sleep together at the club, fall asleep toget the club we were. We were out and about all the time, and I literally fell asleep at a club one night. I don't know what. It was my birthday and I think photo of it. Yeah, that's all you need to say. Man, we were crashed out on the couch. I don't know what the so many good times, man,
last question before we end the episode. If you got offered a job to come back here to do your own show same amount of pay as what you're getting paid now your old job, at your new job that you're doing currently, do you leave it to come back? Fuck man? Man? Hopefully her other job ain't listening. I know, I don't know, to be honest, and you say making the same or more like possibly, it's just that the thing is like, I'm so secure with my job right now,
Like I feel so secure. Me and my boss are great, like I'm value you, happy, respected, like they fuck with me. They know what I bring to the table, and I feel it, like I literally feel That's why I have so much respect for my boss and my company. I do because they they respect me. Like I don't know how to explain it. And if I was to come back to radio, what I feel secure not necessarily a B ninety five thing, just a radio thing in general. You're in radio, you're not secure. I hate to say,
you're just not. You could be here one day and guess what, tomorrow, we're going to bring in seventeen year old motherfucker they just graduated school and we're going to replace you with her because she's gonna be a lot cheaper. And how much of a kick in the ass is that? But that's what the fuck it is, and that's happened to me, and that shit's horrible and it makes you bitter. You know, the older you get, your like a whatever. But that shit's terrible and that's just the state of radio.
There's no security in it. So that's the only reason that I would say no. But if they said, hey, five year contract or whatever, you know, yeah you go open. You got a weekend shit man on your show side show. I don't show why, but man, it was so fun having you on this episode. Yeah, year man, thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it. Yeah, it just all comes to me. You still talk out of castle shit, you know
what I mean. But so man, Yeah, you're an incredible person and like we said in the beginning, you're one of our great friends, and I'm glad that we are still great friends to this day. Yeah, I love it, y'all. Hit me up on Instagram at malicious you got to get my life ask radio plug. There it is all until next time. This could get me Fire podcast