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Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Kenan. I'm Filippo. And there's a lot to cover, so let's start with the news. Yes.

The ZR1X has been announced. And it's a really big thing. It's a 1,250-horsepower Corvette. They've taken the ZR1, and like a lot of people were expecting, they added the E-Ray hybrid all-wheel drive situation, which bumped the power from 1064. to 1250 so there's the zr1 you can say oh you knew corvette is it a zr1 no it's a zr1 x yeah this thing's gonna be pretty insane you must be thrilled i do love every

Corvette variant. And I do legitimately love the E-Ray. So this is a nice combination of things. You do love the E-Ray. Who doesn't love the E-Ray? Oh, you know the market. Mark doesn't love the E-Ray, but I disagree with the market. They're wrong. Yeah, I think they're wrong. Anyway, it's cool. So it's going to be able to maintain one G of force of acceleration until 85 miles an hour. From zero to 85, it'll maintain more than one G of acceleration, which is crazy.

two seconds zero 60 time under nine second standing quarter quarter mile 150 mile an hour trap speed it's running eight with in the 150s from the factory Yeah, it's a wild, wild, wild car. I have some questions. It's going to be for sale by the end of 2025. Pricing not yet announced. What is 01 pricing? 01 pricing is 180-ish. Um, I imagine it'll be more than that. 200. It says the first Corvette to cross 200 grand, maybe. Um,

I do have some questions about why it's being announced right now. The Zero One's not really available yet. It's like, will this deal sales from that? I don't know. Maybe. I'll bet you it doesn't. I just don't think it's such a different...

It's just such a different vehicle. No, I mean, there'll be people who now wait on a ZR1 to get a ZR1X, but I don't know. The Corvettes ultimately has been out for six years, so at some point, you've got to kind of start moving things along. There's probably a facelift coming. They did that interior facelift. But still, that is an absolutely monstrous, monstrous number. You know, when Corvette was redesigned, I went to the product launch and they made a big thing. It was in Vegas.

Which is fitting. And they made a big thing about how... the move to mid-engine was in part because they were reaching the limits of what they could do with a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive car and chassis and engineering setup. And they wanted the ability to expand and do more. And mid-engine gave them that. And this car and the ZR1 are such proof of exactly what they were talking about. Like, you were never going to make a 1250 horsepower C7, you know, like OE.

But with mid-engine and with all-wheel drive and with the hybrid system, you know, powering the front wheels, you actually have the ability to do that, which is why a lot of the craziest powerful cars are mid-engine. And here we're seeing it. Like, this is the Corvette. of the Corvettes. Anybody who doesn't think the Corvette has reached supercar territory, here it is. It's kind of hard to deny at this point at over 200 grand and at 1,200 horsepower. I'm sure we haven't seen the fact.

version of the Ruelto and the other kind of modern crop of hybrid supercars, but this is going to be... half the price, a third the price of a Ruelto and be faster than 0.60, have 250 more horsepower than that, still be not just electric. I'm trying to think of other gas-powered cars that are put out this much power that are readily available. Yeah. I think I remember reading even when the ZR1 came out for its price. There's nothing that comes close to it. If you want to go 200 miles an hour.

I mean, for the price, there is nothing. Well, I mean, from an acceleration horsepower perspective, of course, there's the Teslas. Of course. There's a bunch of full EVs that do that, but I can't think of any other... gas-powered cars that come close. Especially sports cars. I mean, you know, the Corvettes USP has always been that it is like the value prop compared to, you know, Porsches and Ferraris. But, like, it was always, you know...

It was an era where all cars were slower. Now here's a car that is 0 to 60 in under two seconds. I mean, Filippo can't even handle that, Kenan. I don't think I can. I don't think I can. It would turn into liquid. He would turn into liquid. Wow. He'd be full liquid. He'd be full liquid. Philippe Flo. This is just insane. A Corvette...

Chevy dealers must be thrilled because this is a true halo product in a way that the Corvette hasn't been for a bit. Chevy dealers are probably thrilled. But the thing is, these cars are all sold out. And what Chevy dealers would really be thrilled by is a really great demand market. demand for EVs. But that ain't coming. Filippo, why don't you tell us about the Wagoneer thing? That's the real news story of the week. Yeah, it turns out that you can lease a Wagoneer S, so the electric Jeep.

For zero money down. Zero money down. And $299 a month. That's a 600 horsepower, 3.5 seconds, zero to 60. Really? Brand new SUV for $299 a month. Is that the cheapest way to beat a Enzo 0-60? All right. What's our next news story? That's only $7,200. Speaking of cheap, what is this going to cost? This is, okay, let me first tell you what it is. This is the new Nissan Leaf. So you might remember the Leaf as the car that nobody cares about.

despite it being the first real EV to market in the US. This was the Model T of electric cars. Damn it. It paved the way. It did. It's now in its third generation after everybody forgot the second generation existed. And it's now like a more crossover-y one. It's going to start in the mid-30s, mid $30,000 range. It's going to have 300 miles of range. And it is very exciting for you, Kenan. Do you want to guess how much horsepower it will produce?

Let me see. A wild guess. I feel like it's going to be in the 350 range. Up to 214 horsepower. Up to 214. Hard ceiling at 214. They're not going for speed. They're going for efficiency. Going for forward motion would be nice. 214. 214 is more horsepower than most of my cars.

How do these automakers justify holding back the performance level of their electric cars considering that it is so easy to attain power with EVs and other manufacturers aren't holding back their performance? In this case, they're certainly going for price. The model they've announced has just a single motor. It's a single front-mounted motor instead of the motor in wheels that the more expensive EVs are going to where you can increment power.

Kind of infinitely. Yeah, but single motor efficiency. But what does a cheap Model 3 cost that has more power than this thing? $214? Come on. Plus, you can get a huge Model 3 performance on carsandbids.com, folks. Carsandbids.com for like $14.

Smooth. Used EVs are going to be the big problem for every EV manufacturer because they just are not holding value and so they're an incredibly attractive deal. Right. A couple more things about this Leaf. It's like a massive departure in terms of styling from the old one. It's like a coupe SUV type look.

It is, fun fact, shorter than the last Leaf, which is already a pretty small car. So this is going to be small. I'm thinking Toyota CHR-sized, for those that that resonates with, which is nobody that has listened to this podcast. And it's a new EV from Nissan. Can you name the other Nissan EV? I thought it was an SUV. It looks like the Aria. It's not an SUV?

It's like SUV-shaped-esque, coupe-y SUV-shaped, but small. You know what it looks like is the crown, the Toyota crown. It does. It does. The Aria is Nissan's other EV, which is like a larger, rounder. SUVs. It's a smaller. It's actually very good. I think it's a nice looking car. Just 214 horsepower. 35. Dude, you actually made an interesting point just now. Aren't used cars a problem for EVs? Yes. What about that?

used evs it used to be that people didn't want to buy used cars because they were unreliable right and that was like the reason that they well wait a minute used evs they're not unreliable necessarily why can't we why would you buy that instead of what are these what are we selling model threes for but they gotta be 16 grand. For a performance? What a regular one? No, Model 3 performance has a lot of miles, but still. That's a stealth performance. But still. Go to lowest price. $25, $21.

Yeah, I mean, you can get three-year-old ones for low 20s all day. Filippo, are these under 10 yet? I don't think I see one under 10, but I think the EUZV tax credit might apply for some. If I get a high mileage 17, what did this one sell for? 15.5 for one with 132,000 miles.

It's getting there. Model 3 long range. Model S's you can get very close. Yes, they made it for a lot longer. And those do have some reliability issues. Okay, that's the new Nissan Leaf kind of dull. What other news stories you got? Anything fun?

Ah, yes. So Honda. Honda has recently announced that they're going to start making components for older cars. Now, I think this is a big deal because it shows that they're willing to support their legacy vehicles that exist. It was kind of hinted at the end. X is one of those cars, like important cars from their past. And I think this is a huge deal of someone who owns an aging performance car from another brand.

that a lot of parts are no longer available. And I don't mean like, oh, it's hard to get. No, they're gone. That's it. And that is unbelievably infuriating. For, like, basic components. I'm looking straight down the barrel of my M5. Well, yeah, but so you just buy a parts car. That's what Filippo and I do with our TR6s. That's what I did with my 1994 Honda Accord, yeah. Right. The problem is it gets stolen. Right, with a spoon. But the thing is...

I'm happy to hear that they are considering doing this because it means that they're willing to invest in the legacy of their brand. And some manufacturers are very good at this. Mercedes-Benz Classic is wonderful at this. Porsche Classic is great at this. Audi and BMW are awful at this. And a lot of brands there... that have these great...

past cars just don't support them. And it means that it's harder for enthusiasts like us to keep them on the road. So the fact that Honda is even willing to explore this with 3D printing and new production techniques of making these old components that either contracts have run out with manufacturers that produce it for. them is a big deal, especially at that level. And again, this is a company that sells

millions of cars a year, and they don't really have to be concerned with this, but the fact that they care enough about cars like the NSX or, you know, or the, you know, like cars of the ill. The Tiger Type R probably. The Tiger Type R predominantly is the car, yeah. I do agree with your point. Like, this is all about legacy.

For the vast majority of owners of NSXs, they put miles on it. They're not going to try to keep it perfect. But if you have a really low mile, perfect one, and you want support from the factory to keep it pristine, to fix the things that maybe age out. If you want the legacy of, like, we have the coolest old cars that are perfect, that have been perfected, that have been restored.

Eventually, you need manufacturing support. So it's cool to do that. What I would say is there's no real reason to want that legacy unless you maybe have some products upcoming that are... that are part of the lineage. You know what I mean? I do. What does Honda care what happens to the NSX later in life unless they want people to buy a new one and those people think that Honda still cares about these cars and performance and supporting them and resale value?

reliability. So I wouldn't be surprised if there's something to that. I also was very disappointed when this news story started. You guys showed a picture of the old NSX and Canon started by saying, Honda has announced that they're going to produce. And I was like... Oh, it's coming. And then, no, they're going to make parts. No, sorry. Yeah, not quite there yet. Maybe next week. But for now. I'm very excited about this on behalf of Honda owners because I understand exactly what that means.

Boy, I wish BMW would wake up and actually give some support to their classic vehicles. But nonetheless, I think this is great. And I hope more manufacturers do this. And Honda understands that they need to make parts of high quality, not just... Just to make the parts. I think it's very good news for haunted people. Every day I live in fear that my Ford GT door latch will stop working. Or any of the gauges or a taillight. No, no. Gauges and taillights are available. The door latch.

Unavailable. In LA. Let me tell you something. If that door doesn't latch, I can't... You just got the Dukes of Hazzard. It's hard enough to get into that car with the doors that do open. So for you to not have an opening door, it makes it pretty tough. Now, has anyone ever had a door latch fail? No.

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Ooh, a Jeep driving over some dirt. All right, so here's the story. Tell us about this one. Part of the bill that the House and the Senate are reconciling, part of the big, beautiful bill, is that they're mandating, as part of that bill, which has not yet passed, has not been finalized, has not yet been signed by the president. I want to make that really clear. They're mandating that the Bureau of Land Management, the BLM, and the U.S.

Forest Service, sell more than 2 million acres of public land over the next five years and are allowed to sell up to 258 million acres of land. This is primarily almost entirely land in the far western. state in the southwest and up the west coast.

Here's the connection to cars. There's fundamentally a political story, but there is a deep connection to cars, which is a lot of car enthusiasts use BLM land, especially if you're from the West. If you're from the East Coast, you might not recognize how much public land there is, kind of West of New Mexico.

But a lot of enthusiasts out here use that land to go off-roading, to go camping, to go exploring, to take long road trips. Matt Fair of the Smoking Tire famously has done a bunch of those. And that land might become private. And once it's private, certainly...

by most accounts, will not be available to enthusiasts to drive on, will not be available for off-roading, will not be available for hiking, etc. Something that a lot of people with their Wranglers, with the Subaru EVs that we're going to be talking about, are out there doing. really sad if you're into off-roading this might legitimately impact your ability to use public land for that purpose

Yeah, I agree. Public land is the greatest gift that the Western United States, the only benefit that the Western United States has over the Eastern United States, aside from lack of humidity. I grew up around tons of public land, and I was astonished when I learned that some of these other places don't have it. People in the East don't understand. And this is something I was told. The Republicans are mainly pushing this through. This is something I've been...

A lot of conservative friends of mine are actually the ones who are users of this land. They like to go out and shoot their guns and drive their truck. And, you know, two million acres is nothing in the grand scheme. But if hundreds of millions of acres are potential.

sold that that could... be sad it's it's we do it we take our cars i mean i've taken the g wagon and the other cars just off in california you get far enough out you can just kind of turn off the road and just go and there's no one around to stop you and there's nothing no rules really You just do what you want. And so that's an interesting situation. It's an incredible resource that might very well be sold as part of this legislation. Would you buy some of this land, Filippo?

I don't know that I really have a purpose for any of it now. The theory, by the way, and what Republicans in Congress are advocating for is this could make money, right? You sell the land, sell it for money. There could also be housing built on some of this land.

Of course, most of the land is quite far from any place people want to live. If you actually look at where this land is located, very small percentages near a city. So it's questionable kind of from outside reports how much would actually be. able to be sold for real amounts of revenue for the federal government. But it would mean certainly the loss of a lot of off-roading, camping, nature, land. Nature, the bears, you know? The bears. Can I hear about the bears? The bears.

He's from Chicago. I'm not from Chicago. I'm from Cleveland. Give me a break. Unbelievable. Hey, remember, if it's brown, lay down. If it's black, fight back. And if it's white... You're dead. You're dead. Give us the next news story. Speaking of Subaru EVs, and you would get that. I heard of that because he's never seen a bear. He doesn't know what a bear is. Yeah, that's right.

Fun fact, when I first moved to the U.S., we moved to western Massachusetts. There were brown bears at our door most mornings. Did you know you were black bears? Black bears. Black bears, yes. Black bears are very, like, social. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're kind of the kid. They know nothing about animals. I know nothing about animals. All right. Grizzly bears were parading.

walking into Boston. The famed Boston Grizzlies. A few weeks ago, we talked about the Subaru Trail Seeker, which is the wagon version of the Subaru Solterra and Toyota BZ.

was a BZ4X, now the BZ. Toyota has now announced their version of that, to nobody's surprise, which is going to be called the BZ Woodland. And it's a station wagon SUV thing. 375 horsepower, up to 260 miles of range, all-wheel drive. It's fundamentally a wagon version of that EV. But here's the cool thing. Toyota now sells two station wagons.

And no enthusiasts care, even though they should, but Toyota truly sells two station wagons. And no other manufacturer right now sells two station wagons. I saw one of them Crown Signias just today. Yep, there's a Crown Cine, which is a hybrid station wagon. The Crown Cine, though, is unappealing. This is pretty appealing. If we're being honest, I'm not interested in either, but both exist.

Why are you not interested in this one? It's got big power. It's got four-wheel drive. It's got decent range. It's going to be affordable. What's wrong with this? Nothing wrong with it. It looks better than a super version. What's the problem? Dude, you're right. You're right. I am into it.

I think we think that. Yeah. Yeah. If Wagoneer S's are leasing at $299 with zero down, this is like an $84 a month car. Like, I really think you're going to be in cell phone. You know what? I'm into it. And once the crown signal becomes cheap, I will.

Maybe be into it. I don't think the Crown Signia is that desirable, but this car has power. This is going to actually be a pretty enjoyable car from an acceleration. If you could have this or an Outback Wilderness, this is kind of an appealing alternative, no? Yeah, if an EV works for your Outback lifestyle, yeah. The craft signal, by the way, it's kind of appealing. If you're shopping for an Outback or equivalent, it's similar size, way better fuel economy, doesn't look bad.

I'm into the crown signature. An EV does work for my outdoor lifestyle because my outdoor lifestyle is mainly centered around going to Western Massachusetts to find grizzly bears. All right, moving on. You never know, Ken, and you never know. I mean, I spent my time going to the UP to find polar bears. The grizzly bears might storm Albany. By the way, speaking of Albany, you know what the real news story of the week is? Have you guys been following the mayor's election in New York City? Sure.

OK, New York City mayor, they're up for election. OK, and this happens every few years. And what happens is many, many people run and they're all universally agreed to be terrible candidates. And then they end up with someone bad.

And that's been true. That is the story of your time. However, however, I have learned an interesting fact. The front runner in the race is this fellow named Andrew Cuomo, who you may remember, he was the governor and then he had to resign because he sexually assaulted all sorts. to people and you'd think that would be disqualifying but somehow it is not but the point of this is you know what he drives did we talk about this you mentioned it but i forgot he drives

Dodge Charger wide body scat pack 392. And he's been getting school zone speed limit tickets all over the city. Oh. You should see this thing. And this muscle car, he's up in there. He's a disgraced governor driving around in this thing. He's come to fire your dad. Do you think he's white line certified? He's part of swim club? Maybe he is. Maybe he is. I think he is. Maybe he's doing that. Anyway, Filippo, you don't have any commentary on that? No.

You don't have any commentary on the – God, Filippo's too – he's afraid of getting into any political anything. But I'm sitting here telling you Andrew Cuomo's got a charge of 392. Do with that what you want. Some people are going to be like, I'm voting for him. And some people are going to be like, you know what? I think I'm not going to vote for him now. All I'll say is that the most recent Monero winner lives in New Jersey.

uh and is is maybe a vegan uh so like i would associate him with owning a charger scat bag so where does andrew cuomo live you know that's the other he doesn't live in new york then none of these people can find their way into new york city that's the other thing okay all right we got to move on i don't know why we're talking about new york nobody has ever been in New York. Is there other news stories? Yes, there is. There's a story that only I care about, but I really want to talk about it.

That's a great intro for a news story, Filippo. Thank you. Thank you. I'm really trying to draw an intro. Sounds like another Filippo news story to me. I came across an article last week about BYD, Build Your Dreams, which is a large Chinese automation. Their executive vice president, Stella Lee, stated that China's electric vehicle price war is very extreme, not sustainable. And she predicts that there'll be consolidation in the sector.

because of these kind of very, very insane price worth. Basically, BYD kicked off a bunch of... price discounting for their EVs that has made every other competitor in the Chinese EV space lower their prices, throw in additional incentives, and basically just fully erode their margins. BYD has cash.

This is a more interesting news story than I was expecting. You know, we've been talking because we've had a few of these Chinese EVs here in the studio and we filmed a few videos with them. We got another one coming up in a couple of weeks. We've been talking about how can they deliver these cars at this price point? And it turns out the answer is...

They don't make any money. So BUAD has very much kicked us off. They're best positioned to handle a price war, fundamentally, of the Chinese EVs. But the Chinese government has stepped in to intervene in specific cases to prop up some manufacturers that were going out of business.

as a result of this because they were burning too much money. BYD has gained market share as a result, but they are basically predicting at some point this will have to end. There'll have to be consolidation. There'll have to be fewer manufacturers. That might also mean less innovation, might in the future mean higher. prices if this level of pricing is not sustainable. Now, in the short term...

Is BYD, so is the implication that BYD is intentionally trying to undercut automakers to force them out of, like, is this like an anti-competitive thing? Is that kind of what's being said? No. So this is somebody from BYD saying this is not going to be sustainable. And their stock price has taken a little bit of a hit as their profits have really gone down because their profitability share. The point kind of is that the big winner is going to be able to...

to kind of steal. Because if BYD can kind of get ahead of this and outlast smaller companies that can't wait and not make as much money, okay, interesting. It's sort of like a monopoly situation. It's also led to a situation

where BYD and some others are investing heavily in markets outside of China because fundamentally they need to to make enough money per vehicle. They can certainly charge a little bit more in other markets where there isn't that same level of price competition. But it'll be interesting to see what happens. What was that?

the Jakarta market? Yeah, for example. No, I really meant Europe, but the Jakarta market is certainly major for them as well. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Chinese EVs have... taken over market share in China dramatically. They've really increased EV adoption. The low prices have certainly helped that. If it's not sustainable, where does that go? Becomes a real question.

Yeah, and this is surprising neither of us because we've spent time in these cars. And they're such excellent cars. And it's like, how are they delivered at this price point? And that's an interesting thing. And it makes some sense. We'll see. Maybe the Americans aren't as far behind the Chinese as we thought. No, we are. Well, our cars can't float yet, so there's that. That's true. Our cars can't float, nor can they jump.

Talk to LBJ about that. Do you remember that Forrest? Forrest did a video. Is everybody here watching Forrest? Of course. You saw the Forrest video where the car jumps? Yes. I have not seen that one. Do the thing. It's an amazing video. You need to watch. You haven't seen this, Flippo?

He went to China and did the jumping car. He's in China with the jumping car. You got to see it. I will watch it. Forrest Auto Reviews. Forrest Auto Reviews. We're shouting him out today. He's our sponsor. No, he's actually not. But we like him. All right. Move on to our last news story, please.

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Yes, shipping cars. Now, Doug, you've shipped quite a few cars across the country. It's something that we all of us had to deal with at some point or another. I only buy cars located within a mile. That's right. Felipe doesn't buy cars that aren't located at the end of his street. But we've run an auction company.

that deals with a lot of shipping of cars. And recently, there has been some concern in the news that shipping cars has become kind of dangerous. There is a crime ring that was recently shut down about a month ago. There were 12 people involved that were...

that were shipping cars out of the country, that were intercepting cars and shipping out of the country. And so I got in contact with our shipping partner, PAL, to talk about this because I was curious about it. Most of the time, the cars being targeted are very high-dollar-value cars, like McLarens.

roosts, very high-end SUVs. That sort of thing is what's being targeted. And they told me that all of the top shippers in the country have actually come together over this issue and actually independently formed their own council to keep an eye on top of things.

And they run into like a couple of different scams that are coming out. One is like the lucky guest scam where like someone will actually just go to a dealer and say, I'm here to pick up a car. They've seen listed either like, but, and like. Having worked at a dealership, I know how this works. It's sold. Give the keys. It's gone. They don't care. Keys are shockingly available at car dealerships. Shockingly available. One way around that, of course, is dealers can verify the information.

It seems basic. I've seen some stuff in car dealers, and I know that happens to be a spot that's tough. Hacking is also something that has happened. They've gotten credentials to people's accounts for various boards, and they're able to sort of mess around with things and change locations of where cars are going. That's pretty common.

Part stealing is another one where a car will get picked up. They'll steal parts off of it and deliver it, and the parts are just missing from the car, which is kind of weird. And then ransom situations where there's some confusing... A shipper will put out a rate that seems good. You'll select that, they'll take it, and then they'll hold your card for ransom. Wow. So POW has been mitigating this by...

Their background research on people is unbelievable. Before you can be a shipper that works for them. It's incredible. Now, the documentation can be faked, but the systems they're using to pick up the slightest inconsistency between pieces of documentation is...

extreme i was shocked at how like deep they go but even if you change something within a certain period of time like an address or even like just like you change like a period in something for an abbreviation they pick it up and it's flagged in their system like they're that level of detail

And they're also verifying IP addresses of where stuff is being submitted from. Is it consistent throughout that? They're monitoring people like DOT numbers and all of this stuff. So they've been doing a ton of that stuff.

They've also, whenever a car of this ilk is being shipped, they flag it in their system to extra scrutinize everything that goes on around it. And having delivered a number of cars that have been picked up at the cars and bids office for the shipper, they send me all of the information of here's what the vehicle is.

It looks like here's the person's name, here's their DOT number, verify all of that before you release the car. So I've done all that stuff directly from them, which has been really, really useful. They're also working on more like GPS stuff on like tracking cars. So you can see as a person who...

has a car that like, okay, here's exactly where it is. In the past, Doug and I have done a really great act, which is put an air tag in your car like that's being shipped. And that is wonderful because this is kind of fun. You can see it coming across the country. It's kind of cool. Let your driver know. Yeah, let your driver know.

No, exactly. And they've been doing a lot of work around mitigating that. Unfortunately, the recourse for people who do have their cars stolen is difficult. The cars move pretty fast, and once they're gone, they're usually exported pretty quickly, usually going for the eastern block of Europe or in Africa. the typical places these cars get sold to. But...

The point that Powell made is they're cutting it off early. And so far in their time, they have not experienced a single car that has been stolen during the shipping period, which is, again, I'm very happy that we're partners with them. But it is fascinating to me that this has galvanized an entire industry that... It kind of struggles with shipping. It's not necessarily the most pleasant part of selling a car, but the really great actors within that business are really focused on...

eliminating this issue and they're doing it to my understanding like they're doing a great job they have conferences about this they all stay in touch they have a database of bad actors they know where the bad like people are so like if you go through one of these reputable companies to ship it and we make it very easy on cars to do so

So it really mitigates a substantial amount of that concern. That's good to know. Interesting. I have been a little concerned about that. We've been hearing more and more reports of whatever it is hacking or the car gets sent to... Someone picks it up and takes it to wherever. You've got to be careful. You do have to be careful. In my understanding, it's a lot of the...

The person who's shipping the car, doing your own due diligence. Just check the basic things and communicate with the shipping company. It's pretty easy to do, and you'd be surprised at the small steps you can take to avoid this happening to you. It's when you...

Just sort of do things in a blasé way that you get into trouble and it can certainly happen. Maybe. I mean, I think some of these people try to, they do as much diligence as they know to do. But I think the point of this is like, do more. Like, I don't think that everybody who's gotten scammed so far has been blasé or negligent.

But I think that now that we know that this is going on, especially, it's important to be particularly on top of. And both dealers and private sellers. You just have to be careful. And we'll say... I was part of setting up our agreement with Pat, our shipping partner in Cars, but shipping as an entity. And I did a bunch of research and like...

and what kind of things you need to do. And it's complicated. We made a really big point working with PAL to make sure that kind of every shipment was insured. to the level it needed to be. But that's not true of like, if you just go out and book shipping through any of like the larger dealership shipping brokerage sites, it's complicated. And none of it makes that much sense. And I can very much imagine that a few bit impacted.

Every person is pointing you to somebody else to actually get your restitution to figure out who's liable. It becomes a real nightmare. It becomes confusing. A lot of shippers will get something and then they'll send it to a subcontractor, which violates their use and they don't allow that to happen. And so it becomes hard to keep track of who actually dealt with my car.

Youth Courtsman is just shipping. They're great because of the steps that they're taking here, but it's been a wild story to watch. Exactly. I'm not just saying that because we're partnered with them. Actually, I'm getting to talk to another team and they walk me through what they're doing. I was...

genuinely very impressed as someone who's worked in this industry for almost a decade now. It's been a while. It was in the news again this week, just why we're talking about it, for a couple of cars stolen from dealerships. Transition between dealerships and those dealers are...

fighting amongst themselves and how to figure out who did something wrong to get to that point. Because it's a crazy story. Start with the salesman who is just like, yep, get this thing out of here. That's probably where it starts.

We got to move on to our next segment, which is the talk car segment. In this segment, what do we do, Filippo? We talk about... Bears? You could use an education, it sounds like. The Talk Car segment is brought to you by the hats that are behind me. Now, I want to tell you a little story. Our producer, his name is Sean. He is a bad G-Wagon. Bad colored.

I think he still has it. He doesn't like that the hats are behind me. Comment your opinions below. Can we do something about the hats? He says. Hey, can we? Can we get those hats out of there? What about the sweatshirts, Sean? Has he made any comments about the elephant or no? Is the elephant okay?

I think he's okay with the elephant because it's whimsical, and I don't think he thinks the hats are whimsical. I think he thinks I'm recording this in a closet, which is true. Okay, I don't have any cars, but Filippo wants to tell us about his experience with a Chevy Suburbans, which I'm sure will be simulating.

It will. Thank you. Last week, I drove from D.C. to Cape Cod. We were with some friends. And so I needed to rent a car to do that drive because we're going one way. And I was traveling with my wife and a friend and that friend's two children, two young children. So I knew I'd have a lot of stuff. So I did the rational thing and went.

to book a car to rent. And I wanted a minivan, but I'm me. And renting an executive SUV or premium SUV or whatever they called it was $100 cheaper. So that's what I did. Oh, wow. You're kidding. That's why this happened? Yeah. That's why this happened. I really wanted a Chrysler Pacifica. But instead, I ended up with a Chevy Suburban Z71. A brand new Chevy Suburban Z71. It had like 2,000 miles on it. Before you get into the Suburban thing, can we talk about why you...

like the Pacifica so much relative to the other van. It's a great mini van. Oh, no, no. To be clear, it's not the best van. It's just the only van that I expect at a rental car company. Okay, but you have previously said that like if your dream car is like a plug-in Pacifica. It's the only one that's a plug-in hybrid. It's the only minivan plug-in hybrid. Yeah, but the Sienna is like a real hybrid and the plug-in Pacificas are all causing all sorts of problems.

That's the reason I don't own one. But it's still the best one. It's so good. It's such a good automobile. I've had many rental Chrysler Pacificas, and they're all great. I went on a trip recently, had a Pacifica S. It was actually very good, and our producer talked about it. It's great chassis dynamics on the racetrack. Yeah, there you go. Not what I expected to hear. Every automotive filmmaker has hustled a Chrysler Pacifica around a racetrack. And they all love it.

Truly. And Filippo's a track guy. I'm a track guy now. Get back to the Suburban. All right. So I drove the Z71 Suburban all up Interstate 95 throughout the Northeast. And it was... Great. The new one has like a full wraparound screen. It's quite good. Huge CarPlay. It's so big. And it was also the quietest vehicle I've driven.

in a long time like the the noise isolation they've done it has been notable i haven't driven like a new car in a while i don't do new cars except for i guess gti is not that old But like I haven't driven like a large new SUV, but it was quieter than my Mercedes wagon, which truly surprised me. And it's really fixed a lot of like the old SUV problems. The ride was still a little tough, especially with large bumps. It's a huge vehicle.

that's made to tow and haul things. So the ride emptied was a little tough. I mean, ultimately it's a body frame truck. But it was much better than I expected. Truly, notably better than I expected in every way. So I get why people buy them.

The Sequoia is still better. I don't know that that's true. We compared notes, and the Sequoia probably got like a mile or two per gallon better than the Suburban. The Suburban is gigantic and not hybrid. It depends on what you're looking for, but ultimately, I'm... looking for resale value and reliability and i think that a lot of people who buy suburbans aren't

And I think if you're not, the Suburban is probably better. And honestly, I feel that way about most Toyota trucks and SUVs. There are better options than almost every single one of them in less resale value and reliability are what you're thinking about. Do people have issues with Suburbans? It's been the same motor.

for a hundred years whether or not people have issues the market feels that they do and will and punishes them heavily in terms of resale value and use suburbans versus use toyota trucks it's not even like a question um and plus like just from I mean, look at the interior of a 10-year-old Suburban. Yeah, it was tough. Stuff just wears faster and worse. I love General Motors. I've had many Cadillac CTSVs. Many. One.

One, two. Two, yeah, the first gen. But General Motors, the level of quality isn't quite there in terms of durability. That's fair. The screen is cool. The big screen is cool and all that. But like the seats, the foam, why do we know what the inner foam looks like of General Motors seats? But we all do. We all do. I will also say the cruise control was mediocre. It was adaptive cruise control without lane keep. It was a little questionable.

But it was such a good vehicle. I've always wanted a GMT 800 Suburban. And I still, I want it more now as a result of my new Suburban experience. God. Didn't I call him a raging liberal the other day? I guess I'm wrong. All right. He's combating it. Well, Filippo got to drive his dream vehicle of a suburban. I got to drive a Ferrari 599. So recently I went to New Orleans.

sell a couple of cars with us, and one of the cars I got to drive was a Ferrari 599. Now, I've always been kind of curious about those cars, so I've never really driven one. I spent some time in a GTO, but I don't really count it. It's not long enough anyway. The 599 to me...

was mind-blowing for a number of reasons. One was that I expected the transmission to be terrible and it wasn't. Even at low speed, I drove it around New Orleans, which is not a car-friendly place in the slightest. The least car-friendly big city in America, I think. I would agree with that. Boston's pretty... No, no. New Orleans has worse roads, though. I don't know. It was close. It was close, I felt. But it...

So ride-wise, it handled everything just fine. Really? It scraped only one. I very briefly went just a little bit, but other than that, it was fine. It cleared everything just fine. The transmission and a lot of stop-and-go traffic. actually pretty seamless. It didn't judder, nothing like that. Remember, that is the last iteration of F1.

Second to last, yes. The GTO got a difference. But to your point, by then, they had really figured it out. But then I got to use it on the open road a little bit. We crossed the longest... continuous bridge of water in the world, which is the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway. It's 23.87 miles long. It's a lot of water. 875. It's long, let me tell you. But I got to experience the 5.9 to a little bit squeeze.

fall a little bit my god like that engine it's like detonating a bomb like it just the way it just builds power and you are gone i was Astonished. You talk about the Pacifica keep up. No, these are passing shots. But it astonished me. And like the quality of the interior is nice. And this one is a driver. It has miles on it. It doesn't have a perfect ownership.

title. It's not perfect. But it's the one you want and it drove brilliantly. I was stunned at how good it was. And then I started looking at the values of 599s. They're kind of in the 130s for a pretty decent one. It is so much car, considering 550s cost so much more, 575s cost not that much, like, less, like, about the same. And this is a 612-horsepower Enzo V12-derived, like, Ferrari that is actually usable. It was like a revelation. When I see a 599, for whatever reason...

I see one, and I think that it's sort of like a connoisseur's car more than an F12 is. An F12, I think, is still in that period where people are buying them to flex. And I think 599s have sort of aged into a sort of more vintage sort of look and feel.

I agree. We were on Bourbon Street. We actually came across a Starada, which is the perfect exotic car to use in New Orleans. Yeah, for New Orleans. And I thought about seeing this versus that. It's like, this shows so much taste. It is so fun. It's a very tasteful car.

came out people criticized it because it looked like a corvette or a viper but i think it's aged quite well i i go move around that move around the exterior with those pictures there yeah you know it's like i i understand in photographs you might not feel like but in person it has such presence yeah look at that And also, you don't like how these look? No, I mean, my main comment about it being worth $130,000-ish, like for a 599, is that that's what a...

happens when a Ferrari isn't beautiful. The market doesn't care. You think that's not a beautiful car? Look at that. That's a great looking car. I don't think it's a beautiful car. You are out of your mind. That is the craziest thing I've ever heard you say. I'm willing to say a lot of Ferraris aren't beautiful.

is not one of them. He's over here talking about how he wants a Pacifica and a Suburban. Get him off the pod. Get Nick up in here. Nick would support me on this. I also found out you, like me, associate these

cars as being large is one of the reasons why they're difficult to use it's actually only four inches longer than the 550 one inch wider it's like actually pretty similarly i don't think that they're i remember i i think they're very very adept cars i don't consider them to be large the 612 is large but even that is a

as a pretty skillful and athletic car. I don't think these are large. I think these drive really well. I think they're very balanced. Like, very, very, very balanced. Okay, I totally agree with that. And I found the suspension, like, could be soft or it could be hard because it's magnetic and it adjusts. No, granted, I know...

Liability of all Ferraris is tough, and they're expensive cars to maintain. But nonetheless, the buy-in is so low. What does a stick one cost? Can I get a stick one? Well, it's about $800,000. But to your point, manual conversions exist. bought one for 130 or like this car like will be which is a driver did the manual conversion let's say it cost you 40 you're driving you're click clacking

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Can I tell you something about the manual conversion thing? Now that Nick has gone down this journey, I am just sketched out by the whole thing. Like, I'm sure there are non-sketchy actors, but there are also a lot of sketchy actors. And I just think the whole thing is sketchy. Like, I'm anxious about the whole thing. If there's... Someone can someone just exist in a bonded, licensed.

place with like good lighting that is like has a logo that is doing these instead of like exist via instagram dm where they use the the word should of like i just i simply want someone to be good and then i'm not but aren't you a little sketched out by the manual conversion process. Would you send a 130,000 car?

Nick's experience seemed great. He got it back yesterday. I'm excited to hear him talk about it. But I think part of my point, though, is Nick had a good experience. Some people don't. And the roulette of it is what sketches me out. If I could just trust that... There were great people out there. I'd be thrilled. I think my way I would do that, if it were my car, is I would love to have the kit sent to a...

shop that I trust. Why do I even trust the kit? I guess what I'm saying. It's still made by sketchy people. Is it not? I don't know. I don't know. If the components work and they make a kit that can be applied by people who can install it, then no, I'm not that worried about it. But to your point, if the...

Person disappears like they just decide to like no longer do business and they delete their Instagram account and you need components. Well, I'm going to tell you something totally ridiculous right now. I would rather buy one that's already converted because I don't want to know. And even though I know that I could buy a car, send it off, get it converted, I would rather just not know who did it.

what the story was, what the deal with the conversion was. It's already done. It happened. And now I got the card. That's what I want. Eyes wide shut, if you will. Yeah, I think you got a point there. You love the 599. I think it's a bargain. One of the great bargains of the car industry today. And I think anybody buying a 575 is making a mistake considering they can get this for not that much more.

I couldn't agree with you more, and I truly don't think this lasts. They didn't end up building that many of these cars because when it came out, it came out right in the heart of the recession. But the thing with these cars is, you know, they are mostly F1, and I think that is what has suppressed their values, but people don't realize. Let's say the 360 tip. This is a much better system that I actually kind of enjoyed using, to be honest with you. That's true.

Also, don't forget about the production of this car. And I think the thing that one thing that makes the 599 a lot more special than people agree, it was the only front engine V12 Ferrari that doesn't have a pair.

Right. Yes. I've made that point in the video. The 512 TR and the F512M are paired. The 515 and the 575 are paired. And the F12 and the 812 are paired. They're basically the same car, just a modified version. Oh, that's true of all the cars I just mentioned. The only one that got its own world.

world was the 599 so there isn't like a second one that it's always being compared against there isn't a second one that looks similar it was the only like car that doesn't have like a twin pair in the v12 world and so its production numbers don't have to be added to the Like if you have the 550, you're thinking about, well, there's also the 575 manuals and the Super Americas and the Barchetta.

599 was just 599. That was the whole production run. And then they moved on to a totally different production. So to me, that makes the car even more special. I just look at production numbers. There's only 3,600 of them. So it's rarer than a Ford GT 05. Yeah, and it's really something to think about. That's rare than Mercy. That's crazy. So, I don't know. I suspect one day, I suspect these won't be...

underappreciated forever. I suspect at one day we'll see them rise. I also have a suspicion a lot of them are going to become manual converted. I don't know if that's a good thing. Maybe not, but that's what people seem to want. Filippo wouldn't have one if it was a tip.

I do only buy manual cars, so. Yeah, except for the automatics. Right, yeah. I've owned one automatic car. It's a station wagon, never available with a stick. This is why I can't get an automatic because I'll get flamed like this. I've only owned one automatic car, yeah. And he's owned zero? Well, he's only owned like three cars ever. I own more manuals than both of you combined. Yes, but my percentage is higher. My batting percentage is higher. Okay, can we move on to the market report?

Before we do, you filmed a video with that 599. So it's going to be on the Cars and Bids channel. Yes. Yes. There's another one in another car I'll talk about next week. We're excited to see them on the Cars and Bids channel. It's time for the market report. Now, I'm told that the market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids. That's the business that we are in some sense.

is promoting here i'm not really sure about it all I do want to say one thing. I do want to say one thing about the market report. I don't really do a lot of promoting of cars and bids on this podcast because I'm not really sure. It's on my channel. Is it a cars and bids podcast? Nobody seems to have any idea.

I want to talk about the NSX. Can you pull up the NSX? I want to toot the Cars and Bits horn here a little because I don't like to shill for stuff unless it's one of our sponsors who we love dearly. I don't do shoulder stuff. But cars and bins is our business, and I very rarely do this, but I want to talk about this NSX, okay? So the NSX Type S, the one that we just sold for $222, all right?

That car, a couple of months ago, the seller had it on our site, on carsandbids.com, and he tried to sell it, and it was bid to $225, and it was a no sale. And then the seller was like, you know what? Screw these cars and bits, people. I'm going to take it to the other site. So we took it to a different auction site, one of the more popular ones, you know.

And it goes bid to a significantly lower amount. Then he took it to a different auction site and it was bid to a significantly even lower amount in the 100s. Now we're 30 grand back to where it got on cars and bids. Those are the two big other auction sites. They both.

had a much lower result he brought it then after cursing the cars and bids people he brought it back to cars and bids where we then delivered the next best result after his first cars and bids result and he sold the car the point i want to make here is Uh, that's pretty legit. And I don't, I truly, I don't spend a lot of time on this podcast tooting the cars and bits horn. And I often make fun of Filippo for doing so.

But I am quite proud of this. And we have seen this before. We and anybody who's paying attention is aware that this is already happening in some segments of the market. But I'm really proud to see it on a low production, high dollar. low-volume, very special supercar like this NSX Type S that ends up bringing its two best results on cars and bids after bad results in the other places. And just a happy little thing to brag about.

for cars and bits. Yeah, I'm proud. I'm not at all surprised. We sell very legit stuff. And like you said, we've seen this happen... on average and it's like well i mean dealers who are paying attention have become very aware of which cars to sell which places and that cars has some real advantages in terms of of sale price for certain cars um

But I think that this proves like we can go get him on the real stuff. Let's do it. Let's do a McLaren F1. Oh, please. God. I'll take an F40. Let's start with an F40. Nobody sells F40s. There was a big F40 swap. Here's a market report for you. You want to hear a market report? There was a big F40 swap.

swap a Rooney and then they don't sell anymore. And Kenan, you know what Filippo told me? He blew my mind and ruined my whole life because I'm like not not looking for an F40. Like I still dream of the day that Joe Saki texts me and tells me he's found an F40 for me.

Even though I made fun of him on Farrah's podcast and he won't talk to me anymore. I still dream of that day. My money is still great. He calls and says, hey, I've got a high mileage hit cat adjust car that's got your name all over it. I'm going to be really clear. I want a cat adjust car, but it's like non-cat, not adjust.

That's like the thing. I want to give me a cat. Give me an adjustment. Give me another cat. Throw on as many cats as you can and put on as much adjustment as you can do. Anyway, but you know what? Only have 40 people understand what you're saying. You know what Filippo reminded me of, Kenan? That car is tariff now. That car is tariff now. Because none of these cars are in the States. So I was always looking for a foreign import.

And that car is tariff now. And so it's a 10% tariff right on cars. 25. So even if I could find one for a million five, that's a that's a three hundred and seventy five, four hundred thousand dollar tariff. Boom. F40 dream is dead. Trump killed it. People out there, keep that in mind. Real consumer connection here. Way to keep that point local to people. Way to bring it back down to Earth. It will be interesting to see whether...

I assume nobody's importing cars at the moment of that caliber. It'll be interesting to see if in one's... tariffs ease up as deals are made, if tariffs go away entirely, whether there's a sudden influx of those cars. It will be interesting to see how other auctions too, especially this summer, as auctions get, we're inching closer to Monterey Week, which we're very excited about. But curious to see what...

how that impacts those guys sell a lot of stuff that was titled in foreign countries they don't they they usually the cars are they keep the cars where they are because transport costs are high because nobody wants to deal with paperwork and stuff. Last year, one of the big ones, ThinkRM, sold an F40 that was titled in Germany. I remember that. It's rare, though.

It is. I got into a good argument about F40s recently, too. Oh, my goodness. I think we can pause there. Somebody on Instagram had posted a thing about how your blue F40 may be more than your red one. I was like, absolutely categorically. not true which i have like the market down it's instagram rage bait don't get on instagram i know but i thought i wanted to post something very like an actual coherent instagram like response from a human being which i did

And when I was looking, we were offered painted cars. That was pretty much all I was looking at actually because of my budget. And basically, we were offered a lot of painted cars, a green one and this and that. And you just don't. I mean, to set it back to being right is so hard because even just to repaint it red is really difficult. And a lot of places can't get it right. It's not thin enough for the weave. It's really hard.

It was generally, I was told to budget $50,000 to get it painted back to right. I think that's light. Correct. I think that's light, to be honest with you. If it's a full color change. Well, hey, man, this was three and a half years ago. This was before all the Bidenflation or the Trumpflation or whatever. Trump ruined my ability to import an F40, folks. He has come after the wealthy.

You also realize on top of the tariffs, three years ago when you were looking, a dollar and a euro were about on par. Now, to equal one year, you're $1.15. So it's also like a 15% increase there. So is that better or worse? Worse. The F40 dream is dead for you, man. It is dead, like straight up dead. Sorry. It is like legit, legit dead. What about the pound? I have not compared to currencies where you're not getting it. What F4 are you importing?

Well, F40s were all left-hand drives, so if they're in the UK, it's okay. That's fair. I will also say, apparently, the UK and the US are on the verge or have signed a trade deal, which means 10% tariffs on vehicles. 10% is still too high, dude. That's too much. I need to go back to three like it was pre-Trump. Biden gave me three points on an F40. Give me that back. Feed me. OK, give us our next whatever market report.

It's over though. I legit think it's over. I legit think it's like over, over. I don't think there's any F40 happening anymore. I think that the F40s that are in the market as a possible car for me and other buyers are all already in the US. I don't think there's going to be any cross coming F40s for years. and between the only reason they were coming is because the euro had gotten cheap and that's gone and the tariffs. It's over. Like F40 market.

We get a finite number of cars and they're in the States. Again, super useful consumer advice. But speaking of F40, can I talk about F-Types? He's over here waxing poetic about 599s and he doesn't want to talk about F40s. I want to talk about F-Types. I'm not giving consumer advice here. We're having a podcast.

I'm pivoting to the F-Type R. So we recently sold this one for... Okay, to be fair, this one also had a rebuilt title. And 46,000 miles off. But if you look at the price of F-Type R's, now that's a 550 horsepower, supercharged V8, two-door, beautiful looking. coup. They are trading hands in the mid to high 30s with frequency. That is an appealing car in that price segment. I think that is a... Now, the pops and crackles the V8 does are a lot.

Fine. Worth it. But I think that it is... I mean, that's a special car. I mean, look at this, Filippo. For 36 Gs... Look at that car. That is a special looking car. The F-Type looks incredible. 550 horsepower, 5 liter supercharged V8 is no joke. I'm into it. I want one. Would you get a coupe or a convertible? I think you want a coupe.

I think you want a coupe to be a little shielded from the backfiring that this car does because it is extreme. When do you think burble tunes? I know Farrah recently talked about this too, but like that car really like...

That was Burble tuned in all caps with an exclamation mark on it. We have auctioned 30 different F-Type R's. That's pretty impressive. We have one live right now, actually. Yep, we have one live constantly. 58,000 miles. It's actually going to be a cheapie with some miles on it like that. It's such a gorgeous car, especially in the color. It just looks so good. I will also note...

Not ours, but base trims were available with a manual briefly. And you can also get briefly, we sold one or two maybe, you could get a convertible with a manual. Now, someone pointed this out to me because they tagged me in one.

community about this. And one of the things I found, they made the point that, well, the manual should technically made up. The engine block is the same between the V6 and the V8. Remember, they just blanked out those cylinders, which is the weirdest thing I've ever heard. In theory, it shouldn't be that different. I wonder if anybody's tried that. That V8 with a manual would be incredible. Sub 40 for 550 horsepower and a beautiful car is a deal.

It's pretty appealing. If I had to choose between the V8 and the stick, I'd probably choose the V8. I think I would too. That's a good manual either. by all accounts. I've driven them both. The manual's fine, but the powertrain is not inspired, and the V8 is so legit. It's got so much power. And that little car, I mean, those cars are like the size of a Miata. They look so good, and it's so loud and...

Right. Well said. Good impression, actually. Filippo knows. I do, and I legitimately kind of want. It's one of the rare automatic sports cars I'd consider. Well, if you live at the end of Filippo Street and you have an FI bar, he'll buy it. Okay, we've got a little bit of questions, folks.

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seven years ago at the fishing and tackle store, okay? So have some respect. What did we do to you? 10 o'clock, 2 o'clock. Oh, wow. There's a fishing tip from Kenan. There you go. All right. What are the questions?

The questions. Now, the questions. Remember, you can ask us questions. You go to CarsonBiz.com. You click on the community tab. There will be a post there that says, ask us questions. You can ask us whatever you want. We're going to choose. We pick and choose the questions. If you ask us a question that is inappropriate, we will probably choose it.

You ask us a question that is mild. We will not choose it. I like questions that make Filippo squirm. People have been asking us rank the questions. Ask Filippo to rank U.S. senators. Oh, man. It'd be great. All right. So first question today comes from... I'll do it. It'll take a while. There's 100. Top three, Filippo. Give us your top three. Nah, we'll move on.

First question, can we make Nick a regular on the show? You know, I'm glad we got this question because I want to talk about this. Cringe McCringle wants us to get rid of one of us. Goodbye. Can I tell you all how Filippo got started doing this podcast? One day we said, Filippo, we're going to do a podcast. And since you're in the office, you have to participate. That's exactly what happened. I guess I have an hour.

That's exactly what I mean. Now we're the largest automotive podcast in the world, Filippo. Do you understand that? Yeah. I forget about that. We're just chatting, but... We're reporting on hard-hitting stuff like Cuomo's Challenger Charger. I have not seen that news anywhere, and it needed to be shown to the world. It's shown to the world. Hopefully we put up a picture of it. Somebody took a picture the other day. It's parked in a bike lane.

So anyway, the point is with regards to Nick, Nick has a show on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. You got to go to Cars and Bids YouTube channel and you can watch Nick and his insanity. And if you want to see Insane Nick, that's where you go. And otherwise, we will try to get him on as much. Oh, thanks. I like being around. I would choose you, Kenan.

I mean, not to get rid of. I would choose you to keep. I read the tonality there. I get in your dead. Sorry, buddy. Nick will also obviously show up. often nick has great stuff i love nick too and i watch his youtube videos and i sit there thinking

This person is even more insane than I realized. Like, I don't see the videos until they go live like you guys do, and I'm watching the videos. You guys have this experience? Do you watch the Nick videos? Oh, I watch them, and like you said, I know him well, I like to think. And also, imagine...

what hits the cutting room floor. Oh my god! I didn't even think about that! We should start a Patreon and just put clips of that in there. We will get cancelled. Did you see the clip the other day, Kevin pointed this out, where Nick is like filming but he's... lifts but because he's in the reflection of his car he's such a idiot oh nick everybody needs a nick everybody needs a nick like put on a shirt you're filming like this is not Yeah. Oh, Nick. All right.

That was Nick's OnlyFans content. All right. Next question from SB58. Hey, Doug, Kennan, and Filippo. In the early podcast, you discussed certain cars that would be owned by someone who is coming to fire your dad. What is the modern version of the fire your dad vehicle?

I don't know. Flying Spur? Yeah, I mean, it's so true. To me, it was a car that was like so rich person. that they didn't care that the car was bad, which was why the Arnaje was bought by somebody who had better options, but they were so rich that they didn't even want to listen to what the salesperson had to say. And there's not a lot of cars like that out there. anymore. Model X Plaid.

No, nobody with a Model X Plaid is firing anybody. They're right in code. I don't know. The Modern Day 7 series is a pretty good one. That's kind of like in like a dark color. Is there a V12 still? I don't think so. There's a 760, but I can't remember if it actually would be 12. I don't think it is. No, there's only a six-cylinder or a twin-turbo VA. Okay. But even so, like, I know it's not the...

prettiest car. But that's intimidating is the point. And depreciation is so dramatic. I agree. Only in the top trim. Only in the top trim. I don't think so. That's not quite enough. Oh, S-Class Meibach, S580. Yeah, the Meibach S-Class, the S680.

a 680 although I have the 5-inch also in my back my back version like that I mean a phantom a phantom is kind of the obvious answer but even then I think that I feel like that's more like rapper entertainer than like than like I am so rich that I bought your town and I've bought your house and now you must drink from my eyeball. What about a Maserati Gran Turismo? A new Gran Turismo? No, that's just... No, if you bought a new Gran Turismo, it means that you yourself were fired for poor...

financially. Or you're about to be. Yeah. I like the brand itself. If you bought a new Gran Turismo, it means that another recession is coming. If you start seeing those around, it's like, oh, God. Brace. Money must be cheap again. I don't know. I think it's still one of the high-end German sedans. I still think it's a German sedan. I think the Maybach S class is the closest we can get. Yeah.

Next question from EVs and clutch pedals. What's the craziest deal a buyer has ever gotten on cars and bids? Like what? No reserve car sold for the lowest percent of what the cars and bids team or community thought it was worth. Now, this question was asked and then a lot of people were like, they'll never answer. I don't.

I want to be clear. Probably the biggest drawback of running this business, at least for me, you guys can tell me your thoughts, is that everybody comes to me thinking that I know every single data point in the car market. People come up to me and they're like, hey, I got a... I got an 18 435i convertible with 60,000 miles and a clean Carfax. What's it worth? And I'm like...

I don't know. I don't remember. I don't have them all in my mind. And that's true of this question, too. There probably are cars that have sold for less than they should have, but I don't. Because we're starting to approach... You tell me. We're close to 30,000 cars. You tell me. I'm trying to think about this. Often, there are cars where it's like...

The cars that I think go cheapest are usually ones where they need something, and somebody is willing to do that something. And for them, it's a deal, but for other bidders, it's not. All the cars are getting all the attention.

actively it's not that they're going under the radar it's people actively deciding it's not i don't want to spend more for it but like for somebody it's a deal that's a good that's a good point and i don't have any specifics but you can probably find them another good example is cars that have been um

modified in a very specific way where the sellers put a lot of money into them and then they don't sell for that much and there's certainly a contingent of people who are like that's such a deal because it has a lot of good parts on it but at the same time it's like a thousand horsepower race car with a parachute and you're like well that's pretty small

That's a pretty small subset. Those are probably the cars that will sometimes sell for less money than people think they're worth. But I would always argue like this site has hundreds of thousands of users and gets millions of hits like. Things don't just kind of happen. They sell for what they sell for, you know?

Okay, we sold a C32 AMG. I remember this. That was two and a half years ago, but I remember the car distinctly. That sold for like two grand. But it had issues, and it was in Canada, and it had like Canada issues. remember this et cetera but that still feels like a deal for a very cool car uh but i look back two and a half years to what comes to mind you know what else you know what else sometimes sells cheap that i'm surprised by is really good survivor

Cars. Go to that Saturn SC2 we sold last week or maybe earlier this week. I don't think these cars sell undeservedly cheap. I want to be really, really clear about this. Like I don't think cars and bids is getting less money than they're worth. I don't think there's a huge market out there for people looking for a Saturn SC2. But it is surprising to me sometimes that a really well-preserved like Corolla.

won't bring more than 11 grand and you think about the amount of use you could get that even if your plan was just to use it as a used car and you think like this is probably a pretty good deal but i don't feel that that that this saturn selling for four grand is below market but it strikes me

me that it's below what i would think a car this nice would bring right right despite the fact that four grand now gets you a lot of different things i there are cars where like maybe if i were in the market i would have paid that amount but it's rather i would have paid more Yeah. Okay. Go to a 1989 Ford E350 Centurion van truck. What? E350 with a dash. Oh, of course. E350 with a dash, Kenan. What are you doing?

I said 99. I meant 89. I apologize. Right. I'm the idiot over here. Van truck market. All right. That, by pure metal alone, feels like it's worth more than $4,000. It's like a lot of sheet work, sheet metal there. You joke, but larger vehicles, I swear, bring more money just because of their physical capabilities. Like if it's that big, it can probably do something for someone that makes it work.

more than four grand. Right. That's my thing. Do I want that? No. Would I pay more than four grand? No. Is it cool? Could it be worth that to somebody? Apparently not, but maybe. Somebody in the Midwest who has property and doesn't care about the size of that wants that vehicle and got a great deal at four grand.

That's what they call it. I'm going out to the property this weekend. Of course, it failed Pennsylvania inspection. And it doesn't have an exhaust. There's welding residue on the windows. I don't see that as an issue. I think that's true of every 89 vehicle. That feels like a lot of car for the money.

van truck next question from v12 stick richard hammond was notorious for being a motorcycle guy as well as a car guy can any of you ride a motorcycle if so what do you ride uh i am uninterested in any forms of transportation aside from cars i don't like i don't care about boats people always trying to get me

into planes. Like, oh, what'd you ride on to get here? I'm like... a plane i've never even thought about the concept of what it is yeah but you know if you get on an a380 and it's a double decker or 747 like you know yeah dude if i got into a fighter jet i would know i think you'd know a propeller plane i don't want to other than

that. I don't have any concept. People are like, oh, did you take that? 737? Dude, I have gotten on planes. I'm not exaggerating. I've gotten on planes and not known what airline I was flying. That has happened before to me. And they come on and they're like, thanks for flying. And I was like, I swear to God, this was a JetBlue flight. Yeah, you are probably the most agnostic airline person I know.

With the exception of Air Canada, which I agree, that's the worst airline in the world. Airlines I'm agnostic on, but even the planes. So I don't get into anything. I don't get into motorcycles. I actually think if I was going to get into any other form of vehicle, it would be motorcycles. I occasionally will find myself looking at one. thinking hmm but um

But they scare me, to be perfectly honest, which I think is realistic. Filippo, are you— I ride motorcycles on rare occasions. Got on rides with some in-laws and family members, both some more off-roading. forest roads and around arizona it's fun i don't it's not a passion yeah right then i i like i like

old motorcycles. My grandfather has a 1931 Indian 101B Scout that he's had since he was, I think, 14. My cousin restored it. And I've just, like, pooled around on that bike to just, like, coast it down the track. But I loved it because it's so balanced and everything. It's a trail bike. That's what it's for. But the reality of riding a motorcycle in the modern world, especially in California, people are so distracted. It makes me very, very, very nervous.

I don't really have any desire to do it. I love those pre-war bikes, but it's not something I can get into. Into pre-war bikes. I have respect for them and I appreciate them.

Okay, next question, and this one is from Dobby17. Can you go to the questions, Kenan, from this week? Because there's a graphic that goes along with this. Dobby17 says, do you think if the E-Ray was branded as a... Cadillac. Just do control left. Wait, what did you say? 512 BBI? D-O-B-B-I. Somebody has 512. Okay, he says, click on that picture. The one on the left. It's really good. Do you think if the E-Ray was branded as a Cadillac...

It would be a good halo car for the brand. Took styling cues from the race car, including the bump start feature we all love. Obviously, that's ridiculous. But what if it looked like this? Now, they tried this. Filippo, you recall. The XLR, of course. They tried this with the XLR, which was a failure. However, its used values have been pretty strong. It's the same as a C6 value. XLRVs are expensive.

Yeah, that's true. There's so few, though. Wait, go back to the picture. I want to see it. It was beautiful. Dobby, look at this. Filippo, look at this picture. I like the gray skies. It's very Detroit. It feels right. It feels very Midwestern. Julie got it. Nailed it. You know, I've never thought about this question. Should the E-Ray have been a Cadillac? And honestly, yes. It should have. That's a good point.

They really should have. I think they wouldn't do it again because they went down this road and people have a short memory, but that is a good-looking car, and I don't know. I also feel like the E-Ray has been overshadowed in the Corvette. lineup. From a performance standpoint, it's not that dissimilar from a Z06. It's been massively overshadowed by that. It turns out Corvette buyers don't necessarily want a hybrid powertrain.

which is a shame because I think it's a really cool powertrain, a really cool car. Maybe splitting it off to a separate brand would have actually drawn, given it the attention it deserved. Maybe. And, I mean, Cadillac does want to focus on being more sporty generally. And they have a lot of EVs, and, like, maybe that's the connection point. I think they should have. Good idea, Dobby 17. It's not a bad idea. Now, they did try it, and it didn't work. It should be pointed out.

It's also really costly to redesign a car and like have it be a full set of design. Imagine if Cadillac had done this. They enter Formula One and then for the American Grand Prix, the Miami Grand Prix, the Austin Grand Prix in Vegas, they had that as a pace car. Damn. Also, also, Filippo says it's really costly to redesign a car. Dude, Ferrari does all these one-offs and it's no problem. Eric Clapton did it.

Eric Clapton can redesign a car. Cadillac can't. General Motors doesn't have the money to redesign a car. Eric Clapton's up in here redesigning a car. Also, to be fair, they have that Cadillac whatever it's called. that nobody remembers. The Celestique. So they could have done something like this. You don't remember the Celestique? Dude, that's the car of the year here. Everybody's talking about Celestique, Celestique. Yeah, all 350 grand that they cost.

Maybe they're making six of them and you can't buy one. Okay. And none of them are sold. Last question. This is the last question. It comes from S. Como 98. And he says, why does Sean hate your hats? Great question.

Sean, these hats shield me from the sun. God. No, the question is, what's the perfect two-door car with back seats for a cross-country road trip? And then he has a picture. Are you in the thing still, the question thing? He has a picture. He did a cross-country road trip in like a 991. Look at that. Click on that. Oh, I love that. That's pretty cool. Well, bass, yeah.

You know what about this picture? Go back to the back picture. He does his cross country road trip in this very special car and he just has the regular Texas license plate. Like you're going to be showing your car to the world here, sir. You have to at least get the one that says.

T is for Texas. You're the only person in the world who would ever criticize him for that. I think it's badass. Pull up the T is for Texas license plate while we discuss this. All right, so first thoughts here. 9-11, great choice. I think that this purpose opens up

cars that are not a manual transmission car. Click on that. You didn't think it was real, did you, Kennan? But there is an actual license plate that says T for Texas. It makes no sense. You thought this wasn't going to be real, but it is. Well, shoot. Man. That's so accurate.

Okay, Filippo, go ahead. All right, so I think that for a cross-country road trip, it doesn't have to be a manual, which for my other carp needs, it kind of does. If you want a 2 plus 2 with a manual, 911 is kind of your choice. Kind of it, realistically. But it doesn't need to be a minute. I don't know. How high is the ceiling here? Bentley, Brooklyn sounds pretty nice for a cross-country road trip. That's got a rear seat.

Yeah, what was two-door car with rear seats? He didn't say sports car. He didn't say sports car. It does not have to be a sports car. I think that a Range Rover revoked convertible. Oh, my God. Two doors. No, that's a tinny little thing. That four-cylinder is going to be stressed on the highway all the time. The slab of old England is a good idea.

Kenan, imagine driving to all the national parks in a Brooklands with the T for Texas license plate. You'd have to have it on. You'd be showing up to fire the... fathers of all the bears you'd be up you'd be there to sell you'd be there to buy some real estate yeah yeah who they're gonna blm's gonna sell two million acres this guy's buying this magnate is buying The problem with that car is reliability. The Continental GT is a pretty good answer.

Yeah, the Aston Martin, the new Vanquish, I think is a pretty good choice. Or any Vanquish, really. Or any Aston, really. Well, wait, it says that Aston have back seats. Does the Vanquish not? What Ferraris have rear seats? Just like the 612 and the Lusso and the FF and all that. Yeah. A GGC4 Lusso or a 612. Both good options. Yes. What about, Kenan, what about a GTC4 Luso V12? Because with E8, there's not enough power for a road trip. Agreed. V12.

Yeah, exactly. I'm not concerned with fuel economy. I'm concerned with how it pulls on the highway. And it's practical. It is. I actually think that is a really great one. And unlike the 612, that does have cruise control. And you know what? You know what, Filippo? We'd get that car, and you know what? We'd register it in Texas, and we'd get the T for Texas. We sure would. Done. Problem solved.

And that is our podcast for today. Kenan, do you have any parting thoughts? Buy more V12s. 599, Luso. More V12s. Hard to argue that. Coontosh. Nick's got his mercy back. We'll get some sort of update at some point, I hope. Can't wait. Going to see it tonight. We're very excited. Oh, damn. With that shiny, shiny thing.

We will see you guys in a week. And remember, ask us questions, carsandbids.com, the community tab, and also download the app and do all sorts of other cars and bids related things. This is the best pod we've ever done. Best we've ever done. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye.