880: What Is Your Emergency?

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Backham Federal Immigration Agents launched big operations in North Carolina. This is back in the middle of November. One of the things that local reporters did to get a sense of what ICE and Border Patrol were doing, the scope of it, the kinds of things they were up to, was that they requested nine one calls. Charlotte nine one one, do you need police fire or medic? Oh no, we're not starting a twenty two. All right, hold on.

When the city releases these to reporters, they alter the voices a little to protect people's identity. Lo que pasa es que se están metiendo. This woman's saying that all morning these black vans have been showing up at her building, pretending to be exterminators, so the people will open their doors, and she thinks they're ice and everybody's scared.

There have been reports from around the country of immigration agents pretending to be contractors or utility workers or police to trick people and then nab them. And the dispatcher does not know what to do with this. Okay. So what did you what what did you need? police assistance with did you just want us to know that this is happening in your neighborhood, ma'am?

The woman says no, she wants the police to come, because people are intimidated. It's private property. And how is it okay to say they're exterminators when they're not? The picture that you get from these nine one one calls, Ryan Orley and Julia Coyne collected them for the Charlotte Observer. Jim Daly did it at the Southside Weekly at Chicago. We requested some ourselves.

The picture that you get in these calls of immigration officers is different from the videos we've all been seeing online and in the news. The videos capture individual incidents, right? Viral moments. They're often combative or violent. These 911 calls have that sometimes.

But they're also something else. Together, they're like a portrait of a country where ICE officers and Border Patrol agents are spreading everywhere. All sorts of run-of-the-mill locations, this new presence that everybody's bumping into. So many of the calls are people who are not targeted by ICE, but just calling to say they're here. Getting in the way of daily life. Hello? Hello, this is 911. Genius Police Fire Medic. What address do you need police at?

Um university city emergency department. We're in the ER. What's going on out there? Yeah, we have a bunch of um self declared ICE agents here who are interfering with patient care and we need them removed. And how many would you say are there? Uh uh six. Okay. And are they in the ER right now? Yeah, they're literally in the room with me. Okay, okay. Uh and do they have any weapons that you can see? Yep. You guys just come to the ER, we can show you who

What does the access they need to please? Holiday and express? To avoid corporate drive? And is this referencing a specific room number? No, um we have a big bus parked out there. Uh, they're not staying at the hotel. I don't know who they are. I don't know if they're ICE agents or what they are, but they're hovering around and making my guests uncomfortable along with employees. So I want them off my property, it's my property and someone needs to inform them of that.

So they should not be inside of my hotel. They should not be parked at my hotel without any sort of payment. It's my p personal property. I'm paying the property taxes for it, not them. Yes, hi. Um I just tear gas the whole street by Rico Fresh on Armitage and Drake. And I was just I'm a US citizen and I was just going to a grocery store and they start tear gassing the whole street.

It's ridiculous. Like, are we in the freaking war? This is from Chicago, from when it was flooded with federal agents during Operation Midway Blitz. Hundreds of immigration agents all around the city arresting thousands of people. Wait, what's that again? It's by Rico Fresh on Army Touch and Drake. Army touching Drake? Why are they doing that? Who gives them the right to do that?

All right, anybody need an ambulance ma'am? No, no one needs ambulance but you need to be aware of the things. Like you can't just do that. When I was walking to the grocery store and they jerked out and everyone Ice agents you said. Yes, it was ICE agents in unmarked cars wearing in uniforms unmarked covering their faces. I just want you to be aware of the fact that I don't know if you can arrest anyone. All right, and you say no nobody needs an analyst right now. No, I'm fine.

I noticed the dispatcher struggling to figure out exactly what to do for this woman. Does she need an ambulance? She keeps asking. It's unclear in a bunch of these calls what 911 can do to help. And in the calls you hear both sides, the dispatchers and the callers, as they try to figure it out in real time, in this entirely new situation they both find themselves in. People are calling local police to do something about federal agents. I need you guys to come here right now.

and the fucking hidden U.S. citizens they just knocked out A young lady with a bike. What the fuck is going on? Do you think she needs paramedics, sir? Yes, they need paramedics. The dispatcher then transfers to the fire department to get a paramedic that he stays on the line. I need to pass here now. Is there someone hurting them? Is there someone injured? I think he hung up fire. He said they were throwing bombs and certain bombs. Yeah. I'll try to call back. Okay.

I should say for most of these calls, we can verify the basics of what happened through videos or local reporting or other sources, though there were a handful where all we have is the call. Like this next one. A man called 911 with this stump. He says masked men stopped him and asked him for his ID and violated his rights and damaged his phone. His question for nine one is next time if they kidnap. What do I do? And if I did kickmap, what do I do? Who do I call?

If you get kidnapped, you can call nine one one. Okay. But yes, my meeting cannot correct. You know, but I could. Ok, I hear you. Donc, c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce que c'est-ce That's a little hard to hear. He's saying if it's people with masks Can I defend myself? Can I bring my gun and defend myself? So I can't So what is the situation? I can't advise you on anything legal. I'm not an officer or a lawyer.

Um, but I can have officers reach out to you and talk more about this. glass. So here we are. Federal officers shooting American citizens, killing two in Minneapolis. What we hear in these 911 calls is people in real time doing what so many of us are doing. believing what's happening right in front of them. to do or what can be done. And in this case, calling the place that you're supposed to call when there's an emergency. Saying there is one. Right here.

Today on our program, we have more of these calls. You'll hear people with 911 on the line as ICE is chasing them, trying to puzzle out their next moves. And you hear a bunch of other people trying to outplay armed federal officers in this new version of America that we all find ourselves in. Stay with us.

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Tist American Life. Act one, what is the nature of your emergency? So before we jump back into more nine one one calls, it seems worth saying a word about how we got to this point that people around the country are calling local law enforcement about the presence of federal law enforcement. Okay. So last year the Trump administration, hoping to deliver on his campaign promise of mass deportations, it tripled ICE's budget, giving them more money than any federal law enforcement agency.

And DHS rapidly hired lots of new enforcement officers, twelve thousand they claim, more than doubling its workforce. The Trump administration cut the training time for these new agents in half to forty-seven days, a number chosen reportedly because Trump is the forty-seventh president. Now they say the training is forty-two days. To recruit these agents, DHS ads were all about protecting the homeland and repelling foreign invaders. They used a lot of white nationalists' slogans and memes.

Google that if you're curious. It's shocking. And you know, who knows how many people like that actually signed up. I'm bringing this up because all of that set a certain tone for the agency. This was the new fist out aggro coming for you branding of our immigration enforcement.

And the White House really, really wants them to deliver. The architect of Donald Trump's immigration policy, Stephen Miller, kind of famously berated DHS officials last May and demanded they arrest three thousand immigrants a day. A quota it is nowhere close to achieving. So that all sets the stage for the nationwide tour of American cities that federal agents have been on for months. Going from one city to the next, Los Angeles, then Chicago, then Charlotte, then Minneapolis, then New Orleans.

Some of the operations got cutesy, trolley names. Charlotte's Webb, Catahoula Crunch, Catch of the Day in Maine.

And when they arrive in each city, in the calls that I want to pay you right now, in this act of the show. What's interesting is that we're not going to be able There are these little runs of calls that tell a story when you listen to them in sequence, one after another after another. It's like you see the immigration agents roll through town on some particular afternoon or evening.

Moving down the block, from corner to corner and spot to spot, we have a little cloud of chaos each place they touch. We're gonna start uh with a whole bunch of calls from Charlotte that begin at ten oh four in the morning with the guy who's funding nine one one because ICE seems to be breaking the law. And nine one one is the place you call to report somebody breaking the law, right? Charlotte Nine, do you need police, fire, or maybe?

I just want to crack it out. We've got a Chevy Tahoe. It's definitely ice. They have their they have their license plate like it's covered. Like it's it's like I'm pretty sure that that's illegal. It's it's all covered up and he's backing into this corner right now. You said you would leave his eyes? Oh and he's got a camera out right now and um bearing like tactical gear and everything. If it's Chevy Tahoe, the the numbers on the plate are like deliberately crossed out. And where are they at?

I'm at North Tryon Street. I'm in the kangaroo. The kangaroo's gas station, Minimart. Like I'm I'm I'm at a distance. But they're they're in the kangaroo right now. Okay. Oh, here comes the cavalry. What do you mean? The all the fucking ice agents are coming in right now and this guy's if this guy's walking up to me, I don't have to roll down my window, do I? So you had the traffic light? Stop falling out.

I'm on I'm on a I'm on the phone with nine one one actually. Because you have this is your first warning to stop following us and it's on camera. Your license plate is obstructed. You guys are on camera as well. Impeding what? Okay. You got all that right? Yes. I'm not impeding anything, I'm just sitting over here. He said I was volume. I just drove into the um the uh gas station here. There's like oh my god, there's like

eight trucks in here now. But my concern was the license plate that was deliberately tossed out and then he's gonna wanna say that I was following him and you heard him like how intimidating he was trying to be. So you just want me to have a hospital call?

Yeah, that would be great. Okay. So that's the first call in this set of calls. Seventeen minutes later, completely unrelated to that first guy, about a mile and a half away, on the same road, North Tryon Street. I saw a car hit me. He just hit the back of my car. Terry, where are you? I'm right behind him. He's running away from me. He's a Ice uh detective. He just hit my car and he just ran away. A detective hit your car? Uh Ice police control car. Oh Ice

Alright, listen to me. I'm advised you not to follow. I'd advise you not to follow, the dispatcher's saying. Just to keep yourself out of harm's way. Nah, I mean, they're not going to do that to me. I'm an American person, but it's just the fact that you hit my car and he's running all right. I understand. Yeah, that's not going on. All right. The US the officer's not gonna come and chase you guys down.

The officer's not gonna come chase you guys down. In other words, you're on your own. Uh now they're following me where they're going. Yeah, that's just violating my system right. He hit my car and now they were pointing guns at me. This goes on for a good while. The dispatcher asking for a cross street. The guy doesn't know the cross street. And you hear pounding on his windows. Do you see an intersecting street where you are? Get there. Where? I'm ready.

Is that University City? Yes sir, David. Right now! You're hanging with the car roof! Let the door! Open the door! Open the door door! Come back! Come in! A while later, 911 gets this call about the same car in the same location and the guy who was in the car. Uh I um my cousin has been abducted by ICE and he is a US citizen. So I need um help on how to proceed and she is a US citizen so we can see um

where what what's going on with that. I thought um I thought that was just gonna be to detain immigrants that are not from here, not also US citizens. So you say he was kidnapped by ICE officials, ma'am? Did I hear you corresponding? Yes ma'am, it was evil and I do have video footage. Okay, ma'am. This is Batcher gets some more information and then pulls another person on the line to talk to the caller. I'm gonna have an officer call you and talk to you about this.

Uh C M P D uh doesn't deal with immigration enforcement, so I'm not sure how we would proceed with that. But we would like to know. If the police can't help us, who can help us find our cousin? You know who do we who are we supposed to find to for help? Right, right. I I understand your concerns. I'm sorry you guys are going through this.

Okay, so a man gets pulled from his car, that was one call. Cousin looking for him, that's the next call. And then an hour after that, there's another call about the car that's sitting there. Windows smashed in. Okay, what type of report are you turning to me? Uh damage report I mean what type of damage report would happen? Uh so my I I I don't really know as far as everything but my cousin was uh stopped by ice and they bashed the windows.

And um I'm not sure why if he's a uh US citizen But the card's under my name and he's a co sign and we're both on the insurance and everything but I I need a police report as far as trying to see w what the next steps are. All right, I have another call. First of all, let's move out there as soon as we can. An accident report. That's something the nine one one operator knows how to do.

The government later filed charges against the guy they pulled from the car. His name's Cristobo Maltos, he's twenty four. Agent said that when his car moved, he hit an officer with his car mirror, and then charged him with felony assault, resisting and impeding. A few weeks later, the DOJ dropped the charges. One thing that hits you when you listen to these 911 calls is this feeling like nobody's gonna come save you.

Superman's not gonna show up, the cavalry's not gonna come in, the police aren't gonna be there. The police aren't gonna come because local police won't interfere with federal immigration officers doing their jobs. You hear operators telling that to callers. And you also hear them say, Can you just get out of there? Or can you just play along?

Princess, here's another call. We're in the same city, Charlotte, North Carolina, the day after everything you just heard. Charlotte nine one one, do you need police fire or medic? Police. What address? Um, so I'm over here on East Way by the Shomar. at Eastway Crossing, I've got two um vehicles that are in border patrol and they're following me and they're trying to um get out of the car.

There's two wagoneers and they've got their sirens on and their border patrol. They're not police and they're trying to pull me over right now and they've been driving recklessly. And they're right on my ass and I'm a US citizen. I am not immigrated here whatsoever and they're trying and they're driving recklessly. They're like right on my butt. Keep trying to They keep trying to block my path and there's actually four of them trying to ram into my car. Can you please send someone ASAP?

Are you able to okay? Are you able to um like pull over safely? I am but I just pulled over. Okay, just try to comply as best as you can. I couldn't complete Thank you. Okay, I'm It gets kinda faint there, but he's saying, I'm on the ground. I'm on the ground. This continues for half a minute. But then you hear the dispatcher pipe up again. Then there's another half minute or so like this until finally normal windows connect and do northwest.

This happened in the parking lot for a shopping mall. Witnesses heard him yelling, I'm a US citizen as he was dragged out of the car. Several agents cars surrounded him, they handcuffed him, they took him. A crowd gathered, upset, filming.

Here's something you might not It isn't just citizens and immigrants calling into 911 on these calls. ICE and Border Patrol call too. And they call 911 for a bunch of different reasons. Sometimes it's for the stuff that anybody calls 911. There's one call where federal agents got into a fender bender and wanted to file a regular traffic accident report.

Another Border Patrol agent called to report a theft. He said that somebody, presumably a protester, but he doesn't say, broke into his car, stole his work laptop, some ammunition, and his uniform. In front of the lights. I apologize. But it had my badge in there too, I didn't realize there was my badges on there too. Calls like these, non-normide operators respond to like any other calls.

But sometimes Ice and Border Patrol call for help with their jobs out on the field. And that's more complicated. Los Angeles, Chicago, Minneapolis, lots of cities, sanctuary cities, don't allow local police to help with immigration arrests. This is a huge bone of contention for the Trump administration, who've tried to sue to change this, and just this week demanded that Minnesota help them as a condition for reducing the number of federal agents there.

But one way that some local police do step in, and step in all the time to help federal agents, is to manage crowds and protesters who show up around their operations. And in cities where local police are not cooperating with ICE and Border Patrol, one way the federal agents can get them to show up is by calling nine one one.

So for example, in Worcester, Massachusetts in May, Ice called repeatedly for police to come to Eureka Street to help them deal with the crowd when Ice arrested a woman as her teenage daughters watched. I units get there as fast as they can. What happened? How many people you got there? Uh we have a crowd surrounding an officer and he's requesting immediate assistance. Can you send units please? Yes. Beautiful. Do any weapons that they could tell? Other than the agents, no.

About how many people is it? About twenty five. Twenty f twenty five people surrounding one officer. After that the scene gets pretty unruly. People in the crowd demand to see a warrant for the arrest. The WISE does not need a warrant to arrest somebody. That's something lots of people don't know. Here's one last example of ice calling nine one one. In this case doing something that kinda surprised me to hear so baldly there on a recording.

In October, in Oxnard, California, ICE agents deliberately rammed their Jeep Cherokee into the side of a pickup truck of an activist who'd been following them. They t boned the truck. There's video of this. And then the agents called nine one one and lied about what happened. Nine one one was your emergency?

Hi, um, I'm with DHS ICE. I had a local individual crash. They backed into our vehicle. We're pursuing them right now. They're causing a major safety incident. Um we need we need locals here now because We're in an active pursuit with this vehicle. He backed into us and he's fleeing from us and he's causing an insane safety hazard to this entire area. Ice hasn't released the name of this agent. He hasn't talked to the press, so we can only guess at why he's saying what he's saying.

Maybe he has no idea he was filmed ramming his Jeep into the pickup truck. He's trying to create a record. Maybe he's just saying anything that he thinks would get the local police to come help him. The dispatcher does send police cars out to help, and they stop the pickup. ICE arrests the activist, his name is Leonardo Martinez, but the video of the agents ramming his truck goes viral, and he's released a few hours later.

Over the eight months since ICE and Border Patrol began these operations around the country, their tactics have gotten more extreme, and the guardrails protecting people's rights have been crumbling. In their first operation, in Los Angeles last summer, immigration agents began widespread racial profile.

stopping anybody speaking Spanish or speaking English with an accent. And then in September, the Supreme Court said they would allow the So now they can stop anybody who looks or sounds foreign to them. Another change, DHS issued a new policy saying federal agents could enter somebody's home without a judge's order, which until now was considered unconstitutional. And as things ramped up over this fall, it was made clear to federal agents.

That if protesters or anybody else tried to slow them down, they could basically do whatever they wanted to them, whatever they saw fit, and they would not be punished. Here's Stephen Miller in October. To all ICE officers, you have federal immunity in the conduct of your duty. And anybody who lays a hand on you or tries to stop you or tries to obstruct you is committing a felony.

You have immunity and no one, no city official, no state official, no illegal alien, no uh leftist agitator or domestic insurrectionist can prevent you from fulfilling your legal obligations and duties. So where's that lead? I have one last call I want to play you. Chicago Fire Department, I can help.

Can I get all medical attention on thirty sixth in Cal uh California? I just been shot. Okay, six thirty cents in California. Thirty sixth in California, please. What's in the cigar right over for you? Oh, where on your body? Well on your body where you shine.

Huh? Where on your body were you shot? On my arm and on my leg. Oh I can't go my arm no more. This is Merimar Martinez, a US citizen. She was driving around her neighborhood warning people that agents were coming and were shot October fourth. Three months before Brene Good and Alex Predy was shot and killed in Minneapolis. Help us on the way now. We'll be there shortly. Yeah, outside on the corner there? Okay, help us on the way. We're gonna be there shortly. We'll meet you there.

¿Tienen una pena o algo para mi panelgo? Hello. She's saying to somebody, Do you have a bandana or something to stop this? Oh fucking shit. Hello? Ma'am the shot you Ice Agent stop me Oh Ice Agent The Ice Agent shot you? Marimo Martinez's case is eerily like Renee Good's. She was in her car, and the government accused her of using her car as a deadly weapon and called her a domestic terrorist.

Newscovers has documented thirteen people who've been shot by immigration agents since these big city sweeps began, and most of them they were shot in their cars. Also, most of them were accused by federal agents of not complying with orders, or trying to escape, or using their car as a weapon, Two of the people shot in their cars died. The rest survived. This woman, Marimar Martinez, was one of the survivors. In her case, a Border Patrol officer, Charles Exum, said she rammed her SUV into his.

She said it was the other way around. And once she got into court, on charges that she forcibly assaulted, impeded, and interfered with a federal law enforcement officer, once it got before a judge, the government decided To drop its case. Martinez's attorney had argued that body cam evidence clearly showed Exxum swerving his vehicle to hit Martinez.

Also, it was revealed that Charles Exham, the officer who shot Martinez, bragged about it in texts to his friends, saying things like, I fired five rounds and she had seven holes. Put that in your book, boys. Before he jumped out of his car and shot her. He was recorded on body cam footage saying, Do something, bitch. In the end, his glee, his apparent pleasure in the violence of his own actions, turned into a problem for their case, and how a jury would see it.

In a sense, that's what's happened to these operations nationally. In the last two weeks, their brutality and the seeming incompetence of the people carrying them out, the reckless incompetence is hard to avoid. Feels like everybody's been talking about it, whatever their politics.

In Minnesota, the police that's been ground zero for so much of this lately, the police chief for West St. Paul, Brian Sturgeon, was asked this week by a resident at a city council meeting that they would What do we do if ICE agents break the law? Can you help us? In other words, the same question that came up in a few nine one calls. Looking strained and tired, Chief Sturgeon said. I don't know. I don't have answers for you on a lot of things. Um they have a different playbook.

They have a playbook that I'm not trained in. Our officers aren't trained in. They have a playbook that we disagree with on some aspects. I'll be honest with you. A suggestion? Call nine one one. I want our citizens to know that if you see something Or if uh for instance if they're hanging if they're stopped by a bus stop, call it

We will be there. If you are afraid because they're in the area or they're knocking on your neighbor's house, call us. No, if you do call nine one one, we will be there. I know it's not what you want to hear, but um yeah, it's a difficult situation. I don't have answers for a lot of this stuff because I don't understand it either. President Trump, meanwhile, after first saying this past week that he will be de escalating immigration enforcement, by the end of the week.

City's gonna be full steam ahead. As of today, operations continue in cities around the country. Kanajaffy Walt produced that story. The glutton of Los Angeles goes to war. That's in a minute. Chicago Public Radio. When our program continues. Tis American Life from Ira Glass. Today's program, What's Your Emergency? Stories of Life in This New America, where federal agents have swept out across American cities.

In this half of our show we're gonna turn to people trying to outsmart, outrun, and outplay those forces, beginning now with Act two. Act two There's no place like home depot.

So there's certain spots around the country getting rated over and over again, like Home Depot parking lots, where day laborers gather, looking for work. Back in May, Stephen Miller reportedly yelled at DHS leaders, Why aren't you at Home Depot? And then shortly after that, they were in force. One of the very first to get hit in Los Angeles on the first day of the Feds arriving in June was this one in West Lake LA on Wilshire Boulevard.

And then in August, this same Home Depot was the spot where DHS launched a brand new strategy that it called Operation Trojan Horse. Where border patrol agents hid in the back of a Penske truck that pulled up into the parking lot as if it was just a regular moving truck looking to hire people. When workers ran to it to get jobs, the back opened. Agents jumped out in tactical vests with weapons. Sixteen people were taken that day.

And five months later, this same Home Depot is still getting rated. And people are still showing up to find work every day. So what's that like? Months and months of cat and mouse? Reporter Anyancy DS Cortez wanted to find out. This Home Depot is not the easiest place to try to conduct a raid, because at the edge of the parking lot is a kind of safe zone, an area the size of ten parking spots, surrounded by a wrought iron fence.

Inside there's a small building. There's a corrugated roof. Day laborers know when there's a raid, they can take shelter there. It's run by a non profit called Garecen. Set up years ago to make sure day laborers actually got paid by contractors hiring them. Everyone just calls it El Centro.

I want to introduce you to two people who are here just about every day. Daniel Jimenez is a security guard. Well how did you find this job? D yeah, how'd you end up here? Uh my friend's dad is the owner of the security company I'm hired through. Before that I was a Dishwasher at a wedding venue. Green dodge coming up to table one. Dodge Durango. I didn't know anything about what they did here. I literally just started working here. Daniel's twenty years old with slouchy younger brother vibes.

Constantly fidgeting with his vape and often dropping it. Go to drink at Starbucks across the parking lot. Mango Dragon Fruit Refresher. When you see him at his post, just outside the gate saying, That's a big contrast with the second person I want to introduce you to, Joshua Eraso. And at the end of the day, college grad passionate about non-profit work and labor policy. That's from his LinkedIn page.

His vibe, soft spoken community organizer, the person the day laborers turn to for everything. I mean especially job connections, immigration lawyers, coffee, toilet paper, Thanksgiving turkey. People come to the central for all kinds of stuff, even just to hang out and watch T V. Daniel stands outside the gate. Joshua's inside. Um but you know, we have the cameras and I'm I'm I'm ready.

Here's how it works. If there's a raid, workers try to rush inside. Daniel tries to shuttle people through the gate. When they're in, Joshua will lock the gate. It's private property, so federal agents can't enter without a warrant. And it can be pretty harrowing. You just hear people screaming, screaming, migra, migra and then um it almost feels like a stampede of like people just running to where they can. Holy shit, you know This is this is intense.

This was back in August. Immigration agents rolled up with tear gas. People ran towards the centro. Daniel was outside the gate. Joshua was inside. Daniel thinks he got fifteen people in, but then one guy, on the way in, He tripped in the middle of the door and he was just laying there with ice trying to four guy four ice agents on him and I couldn't close the door and they're trying to get in. So I had to I had to try to keep close it but and not let

them get in and not squish him. It was with that guy it was like, do I save one more and possibly risk everyone? Or do I just let them take him? Which is a I feel like I stuttered a little Little bit on that decision for like a half a second. Inside the fence, Joshua was struggling with the same question of when to lock the gate. The immigration agents have now grabbed the man's legs and his shirt, but his shoulder and arm are inside the gate, his hand reaching out for Joshua.

Leaving the door to Joshua alone. Joshua knew the guy stuck in the door. Knew him well. Said he was like a deal, an uncle. Maybe fifty or sixty. Came around most days. When it's like what do you do? You know, I I grab his hand and all I wanted to do was like, you know, come on in and Get out of here and like yeah, like we did it, like you were you were saved. But in the moment I was thinking to myself like

Like there's people here, there's people over there that that the ice officers can't even like see. There's there's the fact that like, you know, we have our computers which might have like information, you know.

Joshua makes a quick decision. Locks the gate with the man still outside. He was like at the door. He's a strong dude, like you know he's f he's like almost getting away from like five other grown men grabbing him and he's like Joshua, Joshua, like Joshua like like that with his hand out, kinda very like grunting'cause he's using his strength and and me having to be I can't, like I'm sorry. and then him like the other agents overpowering like

Throwing him back out the door onto the sidewalk on his on on the floor. The guy's shirt had almost been completely ripped off by the officers.

Joshua watched from behind the locked door as they arrested him. He says the rest of the day he kept asking people, Did I do the right thing? What would you have done? I just felt like shit. I felt like I felt like I failed him, I felt like To see someone like taking in front of you with their hand out and you in an essence being like, No, like I'm not gonna grab your hand It kinda feels like like I let them down.

But then you think about like but if I had done that, like they would have opened the door and they would have came in and then but then it's like fuck if

it went the other way, maybe twelve people had gotten taken, you know. I think I was asking others just to be like, Well what would you have done? Like would you have grabbed their hand? Would you not have grabbed their hand? I guess trying to affirm that I made not the best decision, but I made the decision that had like the least amount of negative consequences.

I have like this thing that keeps coming to mind when you're talking about this. This is my producer, Lily Sullivan. Have you ever heard of this like I think it's like an ethical situation. Like if A train is going down the tracks and you're the conductor and there's one person on one track or six people on the other. Yeah, and you lived that situation, like it's actually that situation and you were the conductor. Yeah, I would just blow up the train.

So so it couldn't get to either one. The train being here ice, but no I wouldn't inflict any violence on anybody. But my solution would be get rid of the remove the train from the equation so the people can live.

There's one more operation I want to tell you about that felt big for a different reason. This one happened just a few weeks ago while I was in the Starbucks there in the parking lot. A woman opened the door and shouted, Ice is here, Yego ice. Baristas froze, panicked. Drinks started flying. I left my drink on the counter and rushed out. La Migra La Migra Stana! I've got a flag all in mid-White Tahoe! The White Tahoe is ice! The white tahoe running down Union Avenue is ice!

I head for El Centro. I expected outside to be chaos, but what happened instead? It was creepily still. Oh my god, the whole front is empty. There's no more workers. Everyone just left. The SUV circle coming up. They're coming they're coming back. But then it's just the screeching of tires. As far as I can tell, no one gets taken from the parking lot.

This round, the immigration agents just left. The center was locked down. Inside, some workers watched a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie. The hero, the one who sounded the alarm, the one who spotted ice. I honestly didn't see this coming. It was Daniel, the 20 year old who stands outside the gate. He spotted them first. He was on high alert. For months now he'd been memorizing license plates every day.

From photos a community watch group had sent around. What'd you see? Uh it was two Ford Expeditions. Would you like the plates? Sure. Uh there was a California paper plate, BTC, 1984, and then Texas play WNJ 342. He told me he'd started memorizing them because checking his phone was too slow. That other raid weighed on him. The day he said he stuttered. He didn't want to stutter again.

I think lots of people right now are finding in roles they did not see coming, doing things they never imagined. One of the bosses here has a new nickname for Danny. He calls him El Monstruo, the Monster of the Door. This didn't used to be a place that needed a monster. Billy Sulvan.

Emergency suggests something immediate and short term. That happens fast, runs over adrenaline, and then ends. Mickey Meek has this story about a guy who's been in emergency mode for eight months now. Los Angeles was way ahead of Minnesota's Governor Tim Waltz when he called on people to carry their phones on them at all times to record immigration raids. LA's been making videos all along. The hard part is keeping track. Did you get that one, Izzy? Which one? In Glendale, Vine and Columbus.

Yeah, it's another one of those. Memo Torres and Izzy Ramirez are building an archive kind of every day's raids, arrests, sightings of federal agents in Southern California. Two hundred and thirty days in counting. Memo delivers a roundup at the end of every day. Just him speaking to the camera and playing video clips.

It's called the Daily Memo. It's Monday, August 11th, and it's day 67 of the I Siege of LA. It's Wednesday, October 15th, and it's day 133. Today's Thursday, November 20th, and it's day 168. A mother ran with her infant as her husband was taking. I don't even live in Los Angeles. And yet, I've been watching the Daily Memo for months. It speaks to something about this moment.

For a while now, almost every day has felt like, I can't believe this day happened. And also, what did happen exactly? The Daily Memo is trying to organize that case.

Memo records the daily memo video at night. And then during the day, all day, almost every day for months now, he and Izzy are in the small room in LA, a work studio. Sitting in front of computers while their phones are blowing up with texts and DMs and videos from around the city. Memo's got two screens in front of him. When I was there, one screen was a map zoomed in on northeast Los Angeles with pins where that day's raids had happened so far.

The other screen had a Google Doc with bullet points and links to videos that he and Izzy were making together. They cross check videos, call witnesses, often community watch teams, and rapid responders. They're weeding out fake or mislabeled videos. In the room, it's long silences and then quick shorthand as they try to gather, verify, and archive the same bundle of information for each incident and each day. Like how many people taken? Yesterday was fourteen. Yeah.

And the day before that I had so that's twenty-eight plus eight. What time? Do you know what time the classic car wash was? The classic car wash, not city car wash. And where? Here's this one saying the ice is an Inglewood. It is a total grind. Both monotonous and distressing. Memo is six foot four and he's got this big beard, perfect hair. The first time I met him, he was taking his first day off work in six months. You have like a threshold for yourself of being like, I will do this until

axe. I'll do this until I know I gotta do something else. Yeah, it's interesting. I d I I I don't have too much time to think about all that to be honest with you. I'm I'm literally living in minute by minute to what's happening with I People are like, Oh, Memo, we don't want you to burn out I'm like, I burn out every fucking day. You know? And I go home and then they crash. and then uh eat an edible, put on some T V go and pass out and then wake up the next day and just be like, Fow.

Here we go again. Yeah. But like, you know, it's no different from like my landscaping and gardening days where it was just the same grind every single day. Yeah, like what are the things that are useful from that life? And just fucking shut up and work. You know, nothing about like that life, the day labor life or the gardening life is pleasant. Nothing about it. You're dealing with people that are, you know, passively a uh racist.

Hard ass work. I mean, even like in the worst of weather, whether it be hot and dry or cold, freezing and miserable, you still gotta get out there and mow the lawns, trim the trees, trim the bushes, dig the dishes. Get dirty, back pains, sores. And when you wake up the next day, it doesn't matter how bad your body feels or my your how tired your mind is, you get right back up, 5 30, meet the crew, get your coffee and your donut and get right back to it.

So all of that I brought with me. So it's like, yeah, so what? It was tough, yesterday it was tough, today's gonna be tough again, and tomorrow's gonna be tough again. And that's the that's the routine of life.

Memo is forty-five years old, Mexican American. He's lived his whole life in LA. He had his own landscaping business for 16 years, and then almost a year ago, managed to turn the thing he did for fun into his job. He liked to photograph and post about the places he ate at on his lunch break.

Taco trucks, little burrito hole in the walls, taqueros he'd set up shop on sidewalks. His Instagram handle was El Tragón de Los Angeles, the glutton from Los Angeles. And a website called LA Taco hired him full-time. He did food reviews for them, like the giant taco hiding under the 10 freeway.

But within a few months, federal agents showed up in the city, and Memo and the rest of the staff at LA Taco switched to covering raids and protests. There wasn't even a big discussion about it. It just made sense. The people they all regularly saw and talked to were now targets. So the whole organization changed overnight, from being a membership-based website with local food and culture stories with some news, to still being that, plus a home for the Daily Memo.

One of the top Metro reporters for the LA Times says no one else in the city, including the LA Times, is doing this kind of detailed daily accounting. This record memo starts. This is it. Memo had a specific audience in mind when he started. The Daily Memo was in English, partly because he was trying to reach the younger, more online members of Latino families in LA. The ones taking care of paperwork and bureaucracy, the kids of street vendors, gardeners,

The ones now trying to keep their parents safe. In the daily memo, he would tell the audience what parts of the city and surrounding areas are getting hit, what times of day. And when he saw patterns and trends emerging in the videos, he'd point them out.

Every daily memo, by the way, starts out with a cartoon taco on the screen and the sound of a bite being taken out. Today is Thursday, November sixth, day one hundred and fifty four of the IC. Most of today's abductions happen on the streets, including questioning the homeless man. They also raided a Uhaw on Geronimo Notoro, which

Seems to be a new uh target of theirs. Like they just learned that they also have day laborers. Well, they took four people from that U-Haul. Another new favorite target, recycling centers. They floated the city. Memo and Izzy get videos and tips. No one else does. Because they're not outsiders. They're trusted.

Memo was one of the first to track what places were getting raided again and again. Car washes, school drop-off areas, Home Depots. He knows who they often targeted. Latinos in work clothes, a lot of older people, fifty plus. The Daily Memo tracked the evolution of immigration raids in LA, from a hodgepodge of random agents, often in street clothes and with no visible identification, to a more consistent militarized

Green Border Patrol vests, sometimes helmets with rifles. Over time, there are more videos of agents opening fire on people. The first U.S. citizens arrested in Los Angeles were big stories. Now those are common in LA and elsewhere. When DHS accuses people of assaulting federal agents, the Daily Memo is a place lawyers To look for videos that may prove them wrong. And there's one more kind of video in the Daily Memos archive. These eerie still lives.

A food cart with meat still sizzling on the grill, but no one's there. A row of buckets with bouquets in the room. A lunch bag left in front of an apartment complex. The aftermath of someone being taken. Memo showed me a video of a woman stumbling on a gardening truck on a residential street. No one in it or nearby. The open truck bed is full of tools and gear. So we're in Rubidau, right off of Mission Avenue and Crestmoor. So like in that instance, what are you what are you doing?

Well we'll just report that we found an abandoned truck. a lot of people find out about this stuff through the video They'll comment that was my cousin, that was my dad. Oh my God. We were wondering where he was at. And they'll reach out through the DMs and then I get to talk to them and be like, okay, I'm sorry. That's how we verify that it was actually in an ice agent.

Um, I learned two of my former employees when I had my Alanski company that were deported from some of these videos. I'm like, dude, these are people I worked with like fifteen years. I know them really well. I know their families.

At the end of the night, after Memo finished recording the Daily Memo, I sat next to him and pulled up some old black and white photos on my phone from the nineteen fifties of Mexican men in work hats lined up to board planes and trains. This is when the government ran another big deportation campaign in California, targeting Mexican immigrants. It named it after a slur. Operation Wetback.

And looking at them, one thing really stood out to Memo. There are no chains or shackles. Yeah. There's no military gears, there's no rifles. Like Barney Fife right there. Right? Carney Fife, the bumbling sheriff from the Andy Griffith Show. I'm not I I I wasn't there and I won't say that the the the cruelness wasn't there, but you don't see the cruelness in the images then as you're seeing it now. How will these videos look in five years? Twenty years? Fifty? What are we gonna think about them?

Memo's got his mind on the future too. He and Izzy are downloading all the videos so they can't disappear. At some point there was In some future America. Maybe they'll lead to a reckoning. Mickey Meek is a producer on our show.

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