Vietnamese in Germany, Living with Mormons in Utah, Finding Identity w/ Linh | Ep 61

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Speaker 1
My parents come from a background where they're like, you know, they're from the poor, like countryside of Vietnam. Both of them didn't really get to enjoy, like, education as much. They had to like, you know, start working for the family really early. I mean, no wonder I have this history in myself, right?

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Speaker 2
Welcome to the Third Culture Talk podcast. I'm your host now. Yeah. In this podcast, we talk of people that are raised in a culture different than their parents, home culture, or way of life or nationality, and now they're living in today's culture, which is vastly different than the days of our parents or even back in the day.

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Speaker 2
So let's get in today's episode. How are you been? How's things with you?

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Speaker 1
yeah, it's been good, actually. honestly, I. Yeah, really? Since I decided to go to Australia, like, a month ago. things have been really good. Like, wow. It's like, you know, sometimes, like, you need to make a decision and then, like, kind of the not unties or explodes, like things that had weren't working before. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Since then, like energy has been super high.

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Speaker 2
I mean yeah I mean a trip to Australia coming soon I mean of course everything's going to be great.

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Speaker 1
Yeah I mean so but like yeah in general just like life has been, it's like life has been coming towards me more. Okay. Like and before it felt like it was going against me. And I'm, I'm not like trying to play like victim or whatever. But I was really like not feeling it. although I'm very like joyful person and so like since then just things have been like like I don't know, floating, flying I don't know.

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Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
Yeah. It was about a half when you go to Australia. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Like I'm all ready to take, just like some paper shit. Like calling me here. So, like, for a few days brings over.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay, so you made this trip plan? a month before that. So interesting. I mean, do you usually plan your trips like this? Like that?

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Speaker 1
Close to two. Oh, I think it it was a long process usually. So like, usually, let's say, everybody who knows me, then they know I will go. I will probably go anywhere like I, I if I feel it and I have it set up, I'm like in my mind I'm like, I'm going, but with this one, actually, it was interesting turn.

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Speaker 1
the last year I had it in my mind for a long time to do it. And then just, I don't know, I just kind of let, I guess, in a way that life absorb me in a way and be like, no, maybe I'm not doing it. Yeah. There are like things that were kind of like worrisome for me.

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Speaker 1
And I didn't do it and it was really not like very untypical for me. Yeah. So like and then yeah, since I made the decision to go like things have been flowing again and before that everything was just like stagnating, I was kind of really not doing good and I was like, that's not me. I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1
And I was really but like, I actually in a way, sometimes I know and then sometimes I'm really like in between like two things, like, you know how that is, I don't know, when was the last time you were like in between two things that you really didn't know and you got really stuck?

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Speaker 2
Yeah. I guess, before moving here. Yeah. Yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 1
A New York City or what?

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Speaker 2
I mean, because my mind was just like in because I was doing like a little tour of me and my friend. Right, were doing comedy. And then, we went to a couple countries, came to Berlin, the city, and then went back to New York City. And then I was kind of like, oh, man. Because a couple people were trying to convince me to move here, and I was like, oh, man, this, that this European lives sounds so dope.

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Speaker 2
Like, you know, the vibes and everything. And then my brain was like, I is in two places. My brain was in New York, was in like Berlin or Europe, like in parts of Europe. And yeah, it was kind of like a place where I'm like, I don't know, am I really? I just move and I did it.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. What was keeping you.

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Speaker 2
Always give me what from making a decision.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. From like because you said your mind was running. It was like you said once. I was, like, super dope. And then what was the other side?

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Speaker 2
The other side was that. I mean, been in New York for a long time, been living there for close to ten years. And then also I was doing acting. I was doing some other things. Some things are starting to pick up. And I was like, oh man, I'm I really about to just let all this here that I built in New York City and then move to Berlin.

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Speaker 2
I don't even know. I just visited for a couple weeks. What is this place? you know, I was there's so many questions. I was like, you know, I forget.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, actually, like, I was just thinking with you. I was like, in your brain, like, trying to get with it. And I was like, yeah. What would have happened if you, like, left and then you like it didn't work, then you just go back and make a comedy show, but like, didn't work. I was like, oh my, I don't like idiot.

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Speaker 1
I go to Berlin, I try the thing and it doesn't work. Well, now you got me back. Like, I mean, now I bring you all the stories. I mean, anyway, if it works well or not, I mean.

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Speaker 2
I mean, either ways would be funny. It's. It's been funny so far, so I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Yes. It's good so far. So, before we could go a little bit further, where are you from originally? Like, where are you from? Like Born and Raised.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So I was born and raised on the, like, really Western kind of edge of Germany, like close to the Netherlands and Belgium. Oh, okay. Yeah. And. Yeah, but like, I mean, originally my genetically, my parents are from Vietnam.

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Speaker 2
Vietnam. Okay. All right. So even is us.

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Speaker 1
Yeah.

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Speaker 2
And, so western part of Germany. how is that, like, is it colder? Is it more.

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Speaker 1
Warmer? Similar to the Netherlands. Really? Rainy and kind of gray. Yeah. I don't know how I survive there 16 years of my life, honestly. Yeah. I'm like, you know, I'm a sunny girl. Yeah. See the tan? You got the tan going? Yeah. I mean, I tried this. It was the first year where I'm like, okay, I'm doing this life of endless summer, right?

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Speaker 1
And and it's been going well.

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Speaker 2
I mean, so far so good.

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Speaker 1
So yeah, continuing this year as well. Wow.

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Speaker 2
Damn. So Western German. So you speak you speak German clearly.

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Speaker 1
Isaac. Yeah, it's actually my I mean, it's technically not my first language, but then it is the best language I speak.

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Speaker 2
Wow. Yeah. So what's your first language?

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Speaker 1
Is it Vietnamese? Yeah. Yeah. But like, I basically I, I grew up, so Vietnamese culture even. Well, it doesn't matter I think in Vietnam also happens, but like, Vietnamese immigrants abroad, especially in Germany, I'm not sure about other countries, but I'm, I'm sure it's similar. we always get nannies in a way, like, I mean, cheap nannies, not expensive nannies, but.

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Speaker 1
Right. Because your friends are always, like, hustling, like Vietnamese people are hustlers. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Wow. So you grew up with a nanny or.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So, like, I had, like, I call them daycare parents in a way, but like. Yeah. So, so they would like from really early on they would like, either take care of me when I was already still a toddler or, like, pick me up from kindergarten or such like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Wow.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Okay, so I was basically raised half Vietnamese, half German. So do what Germans do.

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Speaker 2
Wait, so your parents got German nannies?

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Kind of.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to lie to you. That sounds like a flex. That's not like a crazy as fled. So your parents had German nannies to take care of you?

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, but, I mean, they were working 14 hours a day where, like, they just like. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2
But, I mean, that's, that's unheard of as a as an American, like, people that have nannies are like, extremely, like, wealthy and is usually not white people is usually like a Jamaican nanny or African nanny. So to hear Vinny's parents have a German, that is wow.

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Speaker 1
No, that happens actually. I mean, it's either going to be another Vietnamese lady, friendly old lady, or like somehow I think this was like, I mean, I'm 31 now, so like 30 years ago, I think it was a team because also, I mean, there weren't that many immigrants where when my parents are living, I mean, a few, but, yeah, you just kind of find your people.

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Speaker 1
I think Vietnamese people always find a way. That's a funny thing. Like, I mean, it's I think we're known for that. We kind of find a way or we find a solution. We make it work. and so, yeah, I know many other kids who were brought up by, Germans have of time, full time war. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
And I was like, I mean, I had variety of Germans taking care of me, but.

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Speaker 2
Oh, you know, you had a whole fleet. Okay. Check you. Oh, wow. You was really.

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Speaker 1
Living.

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Speaker 1
Until I decided I was like, I don't want to stay with these ones anymore. I'm going to stay with those ones. Like this.

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Speaker 2
One. Oh, like her shoes. Send me another one.

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Speaker 1
I was like, I was like, crazy rich family, like, all staged here. Like all the. My parents are like, poor as fuck. They're like, oh my. Yeah. I mean yeah, I mean also that's the funny thing, like the Germans like, but like, no, like no crazy Germans just like basic really German. German people who were like, had early retire, early retirement in a way that like not that they were really crazy rich because they had some like health issues or like they lost a job.

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Speaker 1
So like they were taking me extra money. I mean. Nuh, yeah. yeah. That put me in between two worlds already right there.

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Speaker 2
Wow, that must have been interesting. Like, because, I mean, I don't know too much about Viennese culture, but I'm assuming it's very different than German culture.

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Speaker 1
very, very different. Yeah. Yeah, I grew up. My parents always tell me how Germans are so cold and only the cold pitches, like, I know, you know, they just take care of, like, they just take care of themselves. They don't. They don't really know how to become, you know, I don't know, like. Yeah. So I always was in this in between.

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Speaker 1
My parents would always like if they wanted to say something, they would be like, like against me. They'd be like you. So German, I'm like, yeah, duh. I grew up with Germans. You made me grow up with them.

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Speaker 2
You pay them, right? You paid the whole entire fleet. I mean, how can I say it was one of them here in this corner, one on the other corner. I was boxed in.

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Speaker 1
I only had two at a time. Right? A couple of oh two at a time.

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Speaker 2
Oh, even, you just flex this whole time? Wow. Couple minutes and we flex and I had a couple at a time.

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Speaker 1
Not. Wow. Yeah I know. Yeah. So that, like, I mean yeah, that was going on till like I was like eight. Right. And then, then instead of going to the nanny I started to work basically like I would like yeah, we moved around and then we moved closer to work. So work was just around the corner. Oh wow.

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Speaker 1
All the interviews. People either have a flower shop or a restaurant or a nail shop. Okay. Like go around the city, check it out.

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Speaker 2
So the stereotype.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah, they just like make business because most people I mean, most people are quite uneducated. So like, you know, they work with their hands. They, they just that's all right.

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Speaker 2
Okay. So wow. So okay. Growing up you had like the German because I'm assuming Viennese culture is more communal, more you know probably more louder than like, you know, like in terms of like expression. Right. Like I'm assuming. So correct me if I'm wrong, that, like, expression is kind of more outwardly that inwardly.

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Speaker 1
In a in a weird way, though, like a funny thing is that we're allowed, but then you don't talk about feelings or anything, and there's a lot of shame as well. So like, makes you go quiet and like, think about like what you say. So it's kind of a mix of culture, like it's really I still haven't like I still can't put words to it really.

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Speaker 1
I think it's, it's so it's kind of twisted. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Wow. Isn't that crazy. How like you know it's like the can hear like the, the range of like voice and tone. But then the emotions are still muted.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. It's really like that. It's really like that. Like outward like I would say Vietnamese culture. I think it's also known when people go and travel in Vietnam, they're really like, yeah, it was really cool. People were really curious. they talk to you, right? But then what they reveal is really they're really they really want to take care of, like, how their reputation is in a way.

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Speaker 1
So yeah, they like to twist around like also facts and such like I have it all the time like when I'm just like sitting there like with like relatives or family friends or whatever I'm like No no no no that's not the truth. And I have this thing because I'm German, okay. And I'm also I well, not just German, but I also personally I like to be authentic.

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Speaker 1
Right. So sometimes when they really get on my nails, I'm like, nah, that's not the truth.

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Speaker 2
Oh, don't you call it out.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. Because sometimes, like, they, they will twist your own facts, right? Right. Like they will twist. Like for example, I had that before, like, okay, mom, I'm sorry, but yes, this truth, she would hide that I had a boyfriend. She would just tell people like, no, no, let's not dating. I'm like, yeah, dating. That's like, I've been dating for one and a half years.

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Speaker 1
Like, why do you like, you know.

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Speaker 2
Why would you say this?

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Speaker 1
Like these things of, like, I don't know, I don't know. Sometimes she would say something she doesn't. So I also don't understand. But like, it's more about, like, I, I really don't know. sometimes I'm just like, I don't know what's going on your mind, but I don't care, like I care. but I don't care about your reputation.

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Speaker 1
Because you're dragging me down the gutter like. Like.

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Speaker 2
Wow, that German side is strong. Okay, you like nine? And this is.

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Speaker 1
My. My mom is, like, just love me. And I'm like, no.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. That's why I'm like, mom. Like, I'm not going with this. I think she sometimes gets shocked with like, oh, well, yeah.

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Speaker 2
Because I mean, especially immigrant culture and like, you know, culture from outside of West is like, this is like unspoken rules that people will tend to abide to and is weird, like, don't, you know, don't talk out of this or don't say this upfront. And then, you know, obviously come to places like Germany or whatever. It's kind of like boom, right in front of you.

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Speaker 2
Like just directly you're like, whoa, okay, so just even try to play around.

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Speaker 1
And act like you didn't know.

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Speaker 2
Or try to be cute. Now you just said it. Just direct. No motion.

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Speaker 1
Just really, I don't know none.

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Speaker 2
You know, it's like oh said.

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Speaker 1
All right. Is that what you experience here? Were you in first like shocked. Like you were like, okay, these people really say what they think, okay.

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Speaker 2
You know what is I was shocked by people express like maybe some they were thinking but like with no emotion behind it. So no like soften the blow.

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Speaker 1
It's not like. No, it's like but like yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2
It just kind like, you know, I wish even with the hand signal, it just sometimes literally just like, you know, just like, yes. This is how I feel. Yes. You like, well, you know.

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Speaker 1
Feeling.

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Speaker 2
Okay. You know, see eyebrow raise it just been even level are you eat. Wow. What are you feeling like? What's going on there? Just it just everything is even level. There's no elevation. Eyes or eyebrows, nothing.

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Speaker 1
Just the emoji. That's like.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, just a regular perpendicular line just across your face. Just a perfect like for a photographic.

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Speaker 1
But it's a question about like what they actually say then. Because I don't know like yeah, German culture is interesting because once I thought we were straightforward until I went to the Netherlands, like I lived in the Netherlands, and then I was like, nah, I mean, not straight, straightforward.

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Speaker 2
Oh, wow. So you can get kind of crazy too.

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Speaker 1
It's crazy. Yeah. Like they're raised. They're really raised to like, tell their opinion. Like I see like small kids, like screaming at the parents because they didn't want to say an ice cream like crazy. Like I would be like, okay, who's throwing a tantrum? But this is normal.

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Speaker 2
That is.

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Speaker 1
Normal. Yeah. And then I like I really learned that. And I was like, I saw this. And I was like, no, I understand why they are all like this though. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
I mean, I mean, I can assume what, what they are because of that thing they, they told like it's a curse on their parents. That is. Wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
Like I seen I've seen this before where I was like, okay. No, I think we Germans like we are, we are quite straightforward about like, rules I set, I would say like, you know, we have norms and rules and like, we'll tell you and like we're in a way also, I think was Germans is like, we are quite like kind of being like a human of our word.

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Speaker 1
Like we say something, we mean it. Apart from Berlin, that's a different story. you know, like for like, I would say, like, if a German says, I want to be your friend, I want to be your friend. That means, like, really? They will, like, come help you. They will want to invite you to things, you know, they just want to like.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. And if they say they're going to be there that time, they're going to be there at that time.

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Speaker 2
Okay.

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Speaker 1
Well the add on with duchies I think for example, is that they will just tell it their opinion straightforward bluntly, and they don't care about your feelings, which is good in a way. Right, in a good way because they like learn to really express like they're like, I don't I really think this is shit or whatever, I think this.

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Speaker 1
But like if you do a project with them or so, it's kind of like, okay, now we have five opinions. So what do we do with all this shit? And like, why do we have to talk about this detailed word like for the next five hours. Like we can have discussions all over all the time, which I think maybe that's controversial with German efficiency.

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Speaker 1
Maybe that's why I was just like, okay, let's go back to production. Yeah, let's get stuff going.

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Speaker 2
Oh, shit.

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Speaker 1
That's different. I would say.

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Speaker 2
Wow, I did not realize that. Yeah, I did not know even because they, you know, they have similar cultures and so. Right. Like, yeah.

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Speaker 1
I mean, we're so close but then not I mean, that's so funny. Right. Like, Yeah. So different than when you were like in the States or whatever. Like, so it's just like one meter to that side, the border and the people are different.

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Speaker 2
That is. So while still to this day, like how drastically different these countries are and it was so close to each other and, you know, you guys travel. I have a joke about it where you guys travel to these places modestly, like, you know, like, oh yeah, you know, just going to Barcelona or just going to, you know, Spain for a couple day and it's like a couple you go to a whole civilizations for just a couple of days on a whim.

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Speaker 2
I'm like, what kind of life are you living? Are you what's cool? Are you a jet setter? Like, what's go on. You just go on for a couple of days, just for the weekend. So then I'm just going, you know, it's getting cold here, so, you know, I just won't catch them. Sun. You know, I want to tan a little bit, but, you know, just just for the weekend, you got a whole civilization.

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Speaker 2
Just a tan. All right.

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Speaker 1
What is the first time you did that yourself?

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Speaker 2
I think the first time I did.

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Speaker 1
But you got out of the states state, like.

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Speaker 2
Oh, first time I got out of the states. That's a good question. I think the first time. That's the thing back. I mean, the Virgin Islands is still the States. it's owned by.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2
Colonized by us. But, Virgin Islands, I think was one. I'm not gonna lie to you. The first thing that was kind of different for me was at McDonald's and at the McDonald's. They, instead of serving like, hamburgers, really, their special things was like, fried chicken and fries. I'm not gonna lie to you. That was just very wild, like, wild thing there.

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Speaker 1
New stuff is different. Yeah, I mean, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Since I was like, yeah, I was like, going to get like a chicken burger is like, nah. But we have, chicken on bone. a real chicken if you want that. Okay.

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Speaker 1
Oh, shit. Chicken. Oh. So y'all got those?

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Speaker 2
I thought y'all only.

00;18;15;07 - 00;18;15;20
Speaker 1
I, you know.

00;18;15;20 - 00;18;21;17
Speaker 2
Y'all had these. This is crazy. This is the best McDonald's ever. They have real chicken here, I thought. Yeah, the big ones.

00;18;21;19 - 00;18;23;02
Speaker 1
I saw it okay.

00;18;23;04 - 00;18;26;18
Speaker 2
Yeah. But me and a couple other places I've been to that like really you know.

00;18;26;20 - 00;18;29;11
Speaker 1
But yeah, that's so different. Right. Like, how old were you then. Yeah.

00;18;29;13 - 00;18;51;04
Speaker 2
I think a time I was like, oh, maybe like, 1011 and was like a family trip or so. And then we went there and then it was like a, it was like a great time island life. So things being very slow and not that many available like stores where you can just go to want to buy something, that's another thing where it's like, oh, okay, where the store is like, oh yeah, it's it's by car far away.

00;18;51;11 - 00;18;56;23
Speaker 2
And we're not going because you don't have a car right now. The only car we had. So I took it into town. So you're staying here and.

00;18;56;23 - 00;18;58;19
Speaker 1
You're like one where all the cars.

00;18;58;22 - 00;19;14;07
Speaker 2
Yeah. I'm like, what do we do here? There's no what? There's no internet. There's no, there's there's no nothing like what's going on, you know, so very it was very interesting in terms of being in a place where you just had no access to your typical stores or things you used to. but.

00;19;14;09 - 00;19;18;24
Speaker 1
But did you like. So how is that, like, you grew up in the city, right? Or. Yeah.

00;19;18;26 - 00;19;20;12
Speaker 2
Yeah, go ahead and say so. Like, so.

00;19;20;13 - 00;19;22;08
Speaker 1
Everybody has car still in the city.

00;19;22;11 - 00;19;30;05
Speaker 2
Yeah. I mean, so the cars I mean, originally I'm from new Jersey, so like, I lived in New York City. Yeah. So New York City. Yeah. Yeah. I want to clarify that. Yeah. It's right.

00;19;30;08 - 00;19;32;13
Speaker 1
You got a car in the city. Like what? Like, how are you?

00;19;32;13 - 00;19;33;13
Speaker 2
So that car is in a city.

00;19;33;14 - 00;19;34;01
Speaker 1
Crazy.

00;19;34;02 - 00;19;49;03
Speaker 2
Yeah. So, like, you know, when, when I was younger, I said, you know, go up to New York. I have family up there in New York City. And you still drive there. But, where I lived at, it was still it was it was like middle of city and suburbia a little bit. So that's the name is a Burbank.

00;19;49;03 - 00;19;59;29
Speaker 2
A lot of it was like a decent part of it was like, good too. So, you just had a you you had a drive. You want to walk? Have you walked in like, you know. So Michael Blake, who's that? You don't know? You. And in my approach, you.

00;20;00;01 - 00;20;01;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. That's, you know, like.

00;20;01;12 - 00;20;02;11
Speaker 2
That was definitely life.

00;20;02;18 - 00;20;03;01
Speaker 1
Wow.

00;20;03;01 - 00;20;20;20
Speaker 2
Yeah. If you if you stand in the wrong corner for too long, you'd be like, hey, so, what's up? But, hey, Dubai. Yeah. So were you here? Why? I'm like, yeah, wait for the bus. I'm. Who were you watching when the bus, you know, here. Yeah, that's a whole I mean, that's a whole different life right there.

00;20;20;20 - 00;20;29;24
Speaker 2
But to go back to, to your time there in West Germany. So you had the fleet of German nannies, right? And then.

00;20;29;26 - 00;20;41;25
Speaker 1
Okay. Some reason, maybe they didn't like me. okay. All right. So. Yeah. Yeah, let's keep the joke. I, I yeah, it was because you needed. I really don't know anymore.

00;20;41;27 - 00;20;56;17
Speaker 2
It's because you was a special person, you know, in a in a good way, you know, but. Okay, so you West Germany, and then you had to. And then after some point, you went to go work. which of you went to work at your parents restaurant? It was like just. Okay.

00;20;56;20 - 00;21;03;15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah, that's typical thing. Okay, here's the thing with, and families.

00;21;03;18 - 00;21;06;18
Speaker 2
I was, I was bad.

00;21;06;20 - 00;21;27;16
Speaker 1
I was really tough back then. in a way, in the beginning. It's not right. It's like things you try, like, I mean, for example, because, my German was always really, like, decent. Like I said, it's like my first language, basically. Like, I also speak in, like, accent free. Like you wouldn't hear, that I'm not, like, originally German.

00;21;27;19 - 00;21;49;15
Speaker 1
although, I mean, I also was born here, so whatever. but like, yeah, my parents like, there, I would always call it, like, broken German in a way. So like, it's like, you know, fragmented or whatever, like very heavy accent. and so like, I was like 8 or 9, I think. And then it was the first time I picked up, like, phone like calls from, like, the people were ordered food, like.

00;21;49;15 - 00;22;12;00
Speaker 1
So we had, like, I like a delivery food delivery service, and I would, like, pick up the phone sometimes, like, people would actually ask me, like, how old are you? I was like nine, you know, because you're just hanging there like you. And then at some place and but then you get soaked up like they give you new, they give you new tests, like, you know, I'm like, I want to try to roller, I want to try, like, this is like, was a joke.

00;22;12;02 - 00;22;17;11
Speaker 1
I want to try to, roll a spring roll, and then you roll it so nicely like this. You test you like.

00;22;17;11 - 00;22;22;12
Speaker 2
Oh, you just don't know you like. I did a good job. Good. Yeah. Good job. You got the job.

00;22;22;20 - 00;22;37;29
Speaker 1
yours look a lot better than ours. Which they did, honestly. But, like, they were like, no, this is your job. I'm like, okay. And I'm so yeah, I'm somebody I hate. Like, oil on my fingers and such, like, I need to wash it all off. And I was like, this is not like, I don't like this.

00;22;37;29 - 00;22;47;04
Speaker 1
I like it because I'm an esthetic. So, like, I would, like, make it really nice and neat, but like, that got me into spring. Well, hell. Well, spring roll hell.

00;22;47;06 - 00;22;53;00
Speaker 2
Wow. What have expected spring rolls again? being held them. Oh, it must have been hot spicy spring rolls.

00;22;53;00 - 00;22;57;22
Speaker 1
Yeah. So yeah that was. Yeah, that was it. But then. Yeah then I skipped.

00;22;57;24 - 00;22;58;04
Speaker 2
Oh, you.

00;22;58;06 - 00;23;00;21
Speaker 1
Guys go to the States when I was 16, so.

00;23;00;24 - 00;23;01;13
Speaker 2
Oh wow.

00;23;01;14 - 00;23;03;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. All right. Got to find your ways out right.

00;23;03;12 - 00;23;29;02
Speaker 2
I mean you got to. Yeah. Because, you know, working in that type of home is difficult. Yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna lie to you. This is, this is a tangent, but, I did work in a framing shop, and it was owned by, the owner, by this Asian lady. She was just Chinese. I know it's not the same, but it was like, you know, because there's a stereotype about, like, restaurants, Asian restaurants and, like, very hardworking, very fast paced and kind of looking in into, you know, you you order, you kind of looking in the back, you like, oh, I don't even know how to even how do they do

00;23;29;02 - 00;23;30;06
Speaker 2
this? Like what?

00;23;30;06 - 00;23;40;06
Speaker 1
Like organized chaos. Yeah. Like with like the all these ends. I always call it like Asian people like, aren't like, you know, they're just like, crazy working. You don't know how it's working, but, like, you just see them watching. Yeah.

00;23;40;09 - 00;24;00;10
Speaker 2
So are you like, what is what is going on? So like she worked in a spot like this. I was like, oh, okay. Everything's highly efficient, very fast. You don't throw things away. You reuse, you know, like, I didn't realize how many times you can use, paper towels. Like I did not realize that. I thought it was a one time use and throw in a garbage.

00;24;00;10 - 00;24;02;11
Speaker 2
No, that was it.

00;24;02;13 - 00;24;08;27
Speaker 1
That's a that's. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm traumatized because my mom has paper towels ever.

00;24;08;29 - 00;24;19;05
Speaker 2
What is like I mean, I'm talking about this drawers full of used paper towels. And it was organized based on his usage. Okay. This one was used for the window. So this is the one for the window. Paper towel is the one that it.

00;24;19;05 - 00;24;31;00
Speaker 1
Was like, okay, maybe I don't know. I don't know if it was that lady with like I don't think Vietnamese people are that organized in general. Like I mean, generalizing always, right? But like, yeah. That's funny. So how long did you say they're.

00;24;31;00 - 00;24;34;16
Speaker 2
Like, oh, I stated, I think for a summer it was crazy. yeah.

00;24;34;17 - 00;24;36;18
Speaker 1
I got you working. You got you.

00;24;36;18 - 00;24;54;25
Speaker 2
Had me work even interview. The interview process was like, hey, here's his, math, worksheet, and I want you to solve it with no calculator. yeah, I found this on Craigslist, and she was like, yeah, I want you to solve these problems. It was like, what's the what's three divided by four to this? to the second power divided by two times three or something.

00;24;54;25 - 00;24;56;04
Speaker 1
Why do you need this?

00;24;56;07 - 00;25;04;22
Speaker 2
I don't know. I don't I don't know what our process was. I'm like, these are frames, lady. I don't know what kind of division we need for these frames. This is crazy.

00;25;04;26 - 00;25;08;05
Speaker 1
She's like, where are you? That five dimensions?

00;25;08;08 - 00;25;24;18
Speaker 2
Yeah. She's like, okay, in a dimension of, 20 by 20. How many? One, one by two and a half pieces can fit in this or something. I'm like, oh, okay, I can see that. But, I'm not a framer, so. And I'm not a I found this on Craigslist, so I know genius scholar, calculus person, beginners.

00;25;24;21 - 00;25;26;11
Speaker 1
she got you, though, like she hired you.

00;25;26;12 - 00;25;44;08
Speaker 2
Yeah, because I basically kind of lied a little bit. I kind of sweet talk my way into it. Yeah. So that's. That's the reason why. Yeah, it was a fun job. I learned a lot. And, I actually learned how to deal with, with anger, from a different, from a different culture, which is interesting. Oh, it's,

00;25;44;10 - 00;25;45;14
Speaker 1
How was Chinese anger?

00;25;45;14 - 00;25;55;19
Speaker 2
Oh, it was it was immediate and very urgent. It was just like. So it was, like, very jarring. I, I still to this day, like.

00;25;55;21 - 00;25;57;04
Speaker 1
I see it in your face.

00;25;57;06 - 00;26;10;09
Speaker 2
I broke, I broke this glass on this. It was expensive glass. I had to do something. I forgot she upgraded me a clear. I did a good job, something she did. You hired you. This your job now, right? Doing it. And I cracked the glass. And, you know something? You break something no one don't want to hear.

00;26;10;10 - 00;26;23;29
Speaker 2
You think I know I heard it, and a minute thing, the minute I cracked, you broke it. You broke it, you broke it. You're fired. You fire, you brought. I was like, I was like, I don't even have. I don't even know what to do. Oh, it was just so. It was like an alarm. I thought I stole something.

00;26;23;29 - 00;26;29;16
Speaker 2
I'm like, what? What what? They were, So, you know, you broke. You broke, you did. You fire, you find out how to, like. Really?

00;26;29;18 - 00;26;30;28
Speaker 1
She really fired you that time?

00;26;30;29 - 00;26;46;00
Speaker 2
No. She didn't. I did something that I think, I basically offered to give my paycheck to, like, to fix it. And for her, she was like, isolation. Oh, you don't have to do that. No, I just, you know, because it's. Oh. And I was like, yeah, well, you know, she felt very, like, guilty, I guess, or very like.

00;26;46;03 - 00;26;48;01
Speaker 2
And actually brought us more together.

00;26;48;04 - 00;26;51;02
Speaker 1
Oh, interesting plot twist. Yeah.

00;26;51;02 - 00;26;53;09
Speaker 2
It was, it was pretty crazy.

00;26;53;09 - 00;26;58;10
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. They. Yeah. I mean, I think Asians can be quite like me.

00;26;58;14 - 00;27;00;07
Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah, it was, it was different.

00;27;00;13 - 00;27;00;26
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;27;00;28 - 00;27;19;29
Speaker 2
Yeah. But similar. I like that in African culture and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Similar like the emotion stuff. Not really. Yeah. So I mean the emotion is more explosive. So it's almost I would sometimes wish it was like silent, but, you know, very always working, not being announced and everything. So I kind of relate to some extent, about that.

00;27;20;02 - 00;27;30;17
Speaker 2
So you escaped this place and you went to at 16. You went to, the United States. Ha, ha. First of all, how did you escape?

00;27;30;19 - 00;27;50;26
Speaker 1
so it's a c like, my parents come from a background where they're like, you know, they're from the poor, like countryside of Vietnam. Both of them, both, like, didn't really get to enjoy, like, education as much. They had to, like, you know, start working for the family really early. I mean, no wonder I have the sister and myself, right?

00;27;50;29 - 00;28;11;15
Speaker 1
But drop it on to the kids again. but, like, so I think, education is quite a big thing in Vietnam in general. I don't know if it's like from the last generations or maybe from, like the trauma of not being able to have that. but like, you know, the basic aspirations is that you kids get education.

00;28;11;17 - 00;28;34;07
Speaker 1
So I just recently, like, reflected on it that it has been for me, a way of escaping was always to like, use education as an argument, like as a, like, you know, as a to be like, oh, I can go because I need to go study this. I need to go because I need to learn English so I can like, you know, work globally or something like this.

00;28;34;07 - 00;29;03;11
Speaker 1
And they it actually is a pattern, that has been repeating in my life that I like. I, I would like I myself even I spend money on like things that I can learn rather than materialistic things like, materialistic things I'm not really like, not a big thing. but like experiences, learning environment. So, so yeah, I went to the States to stay for a year.

00;29;03;14 - 00;29;20;00
Speaker 1
in high school, like, it's a, it's also actually a big German thing in a way. Like there was a time I don't know if it's any more, but back then, it was always a thing to like in 11th, we call it 11th grade. so we basically when you guys go to high school kind of thing, to go abroad for a year.

00;29;20;00 - 00;29;41;00
Speaker 1
And mostly it was the States. Wow. Yeah. So like, yeah, I ended up in the States, which is also plot twist. My, I mean, come from a northern Vietnamese family go to the States. But like, I mean, they don't care. Like they're like, yeah, it's just like education doesn't matter. You go to the States. And plus I actually wanted to go to England, but then I think, they were like, yeah, you know what, go into the States cheaper.

00;29;41;00 - 00;29;42;09
Speaker 1
So just go there.

00;29;42;12 - 00;29;42;23
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;29;42;24 - 00;30;00;26
Speaker 1
Go to the cheapest, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of, you know, wherever they also speak English. Right. It's so kind of. Yeah. So then I ended up in the. Yeah. Ended up in the States in Utah. like, I had to leave already when I was like, oh, we're going into this then. Yeah, I guess.

00;30;00;26 - 00;30;18;08
Speaker 2
Yeah, of course we are. You serious? You don't we don't skip over Utah. Like, especially what's a destination? You went to Utah. That's your first state you went to when you went to the States? No, I just a quick break. I don't run advertising on this podcast currently. So one thing I ask for you guys is to just share and spread the word about.

00;30;18;08 - 00;30;41;12
Speaker 2
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00;30;41;14 - 00;30;46;04
Speaker 2
So thank you very much in advance and let's get back into the episode.

00;30;46;06 - 00;31;05;16
Speaker 1
I mean, I stayed two weeks in this like kind of prep camp, like they call it prep camp for all like the, city bred students, but like, yeah, I, I was. Can you like, I need to. Yeah. I was chosen because everybody gets chosen as I like guys, but I was chosen by a mormon family to come stay with them in the States.

00;31;05;16 - 00;31;09;27
Speaker 2
Yeah, and this is going to help. And so this is one of the more kids, you know, and I was like, I won't get kids by any means. Yeah.

00;31;09;27 - 00;31;12;05
Speaker 1
I mean, we got to convert more people. Yeah.

00;31;12;07 - 00;31;20;08
Speaker 2
But he's like yeah, he let's let's get kids from all over the world. Let's bring them in, you know, let's get them to more Mormon. That's crazy. Wow. So Utah.

00;31;20;08 - 00;31;20;26
Speaker 1
Yeah.

00;31;20;26 - 00;31;24;10
Speaker 2
What is what was that like being a Utah?

00;31;24;13 - 00;31;51;02
Speaker 1
So I mean that was interesting in so many ways. I mean, I make I make fun of it, but like I, I go by humor a lot, but like, you need to you need to know that I actually was, like, crazy atheist like that. My mom is like a Buddhist, like, you know, and we have all these, like, traditions in Vietnamese culture as well, like where you have an altar and, you know, you pray to your, like, ancestors and you give them like gifts of food or whatever, like, you know, but like for me, I was just always like,

00;31;51;05 - 00;32;15;03
Speaker 1
I don't know, like I don't really feel any connection. I don't think there's anything up there like, you know, above us or whatever, around us. but yeah, then it's funny thing, so like they make you so when you were like, so you go usually through an organization like sign up with another organization, they have like, you know, a bunch of families you want to like, spread American culture or whatever.

00;32;15;05 - 00;32;31;10
Speaker 1
And so they make you sign like they they have this questionnaire for you. So you put in, like, your hobbies and all the information about yourself, and you need to tick a box that you either you want to stay with a religious family or not. and they tell you well if you in the States if you take.

00;32;31;10 - 00;32;47;16
Speaker 1
No, it's really a religious family, then you probably not gonna end up anywhere. Nobody's gonna choose you because everybody's kind of religious. that's what they kind of say. Interesting. So like, I mean I was like, yeah, okay. So I took the box. So then I got, I got beyond religious. Yeah. You go.

00;32;47;18 - 00;32;50;06
Speaker 2
Completely like. I mean, out of all.

00;32;50;06 - 00;33;07;10
Speaker 1
The religious, all the the the spectrum, like the edge of it, I think. Yeah. But, yeah, like I said, I love about it was really. It was it was a really good experience. I would say like, I, I grew up that year. Like not I wouldn't say grow up. I always grew up really quickly and in a way because of, like the experiences in my life.

00;33;07;10 - 00;33;13;11
Speaker 1
But like, that experience was definitely very different also from everybody else's. Oh, yeah.

00;33;13;11 - 00;33;15;02
Speaker 2
I mean, clearly, yeah.

00;33;15;04 - 00;33;21;25
Speaker 1
Like people don't drink like, I mean, most of them. I mean, there were always the kids, bad kids. They would also still drink, you know, like, yeah, let.

00;33;21;26 - 00;33;22;25
Speaker 2
Me ask somebody. Yeah.

00;33;22;27 - 00;33;30;10
Speaker 1
But the craziest thing I think like one of the craziest thing, for example, like instead of like having a party, we had like a gathering and a.

00;33;30;10 - 00;33;31;12
Speaker 2
Gathering that on this.

00;33;31;16 - 00;33;56;04
Speaker 1
gather. Yeah. It's bad. Right. But like, instead of, like, we, like, we wouldn't have crazy parties where people would get drunk or crazy, but, like, I had, like, get togethers where people get hypnotized. When you're 16. Oh, oh, we run. How do you call these? Like, is it like a chicken scoop? No. Like, how do you call this, like, where they like on a farm where you have, like, a chicken?

00;33;56;04 - 00;33;59;14
Speaker 2
The chicken coop. Not chicken coop. chicken beam.

00;33;59;17 - 00;34;13;18
Speaker 1
Yeah. So, like, there was, like, one time we were somewhere we landed up on this farm because Utah's a lot of, like, farmland. And we had a lot of kids in my high school that were like, farm kids. So like sometime we ended up like really at the beginning of my year and I was like, where the heck did I end up?

00;34;13;18 - 00;34;32;26
Speaker 1
We were ending up in this place with like all the cool kids and such. And then, yeah, I mean, for fun, we don't drink alcohol, right? But then we run through like like this, like left abandoned, like chicken house where there was, like, a lot of, like, chicken skeletons or like dead chickens still in there, like in the, in the cells and such.

00;34;32;28 - 00;34;34;07
Speaker 2
Oh, yeah. The little. Yeah. With the little.

00;34;34;08 - 00;34;34;22
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah.

00;34;34;22 - 00;34;35;26
Speaker 2
Like a long.

00;34;35;26 - 00;34;46;08
Speaker 1
House. And we just ran through it in the middle of the darkness in the night, and I was like, oh my gosh, where did I end of that? Was like this. Like, that's kind of a different experience. You find it, right? Yeah.

00;34;46;08 - 00;34;47;23
Speaker 2
I guess we're not drinking. And she's.

00;34;47;25 - 00;35;06;13
Speaker 1
What? Yeah. I seen crazy stuff. Like, we, we broke into school. I mean, I think that's not like the. That could be anywhere, but like, yeah, we did just like, random different things. It's so funny. Toilet paper, people's, trees in the front yard. Like, you just, do other fun things.

00;35;06;17 - 00;35;16;02
Speaker 2
That's way so we can, skip over this, and we have to touch back on this. There were hypnotizing parties in Utah.

00;35;16;04 - 00;35;35;26
Speaker 1
Yeah, because, like, okay, funny thing, I'm also a hypno coach, but that came later. Oh, okay. And that came came to me. I didn't wasn't searching for it, but, so, you know, like, hypnosis is more like a deep state of relaxation in a way. and like it can you can also call it, like, guided or deep meditation, whatever.

00;35;35;26 - 00;35;55;20
Speaker 1
You just go to your subconsciousness. And because people who usually, you know, like belong to religion or to a faith, they usually more connected to something or like they are more open to something that's not rational. does that make sense?

00;35;55;22 - 00;35;56;03
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;35;56;05 - 00;36;11;03
Speaker 1
And so that that's how I explain why I work there. Like people would get hypnotized and they would just, like, really work because anyways, they're not just like, no, no, no, that's not going to work. But I believe in something anyway. So like, why would I not believe if somebody tells me I'm going to run around like a chicken now?

00;36;11;03 - 00;36;14;22
Speaker 2
So was that one of the things that happened? Oh my.

00;36;14;23 - 00;36;28;02
Speaker 1
God. Yeah. Like I don't know, be like a rabbit or do a crazy plank, across like a table and something. I don't know, people were doing funny things. Yeah. It's funny. I mean, it didn't work on me. I was just, like, always watching.

00;36;28;04 - 00;36;30;13
Speaker 2
Oh, wow. Did he try it on you before?

00;36;30;15 - 00;36;38;18
Speaker 1
No, I didn't really work. I was super rational. I mean, when I was 16, I was really, like. I was like, super. Like I said, I was an atheist. I was just like, that doesn't make sense. This is just.

00;36;38;23 - 00;36;48;23
Speaker 2
Yeah. And he had a German side too. Oh yeah. So like atheist in in German use five like nine. This is you just like immediately like. All right, all right. You know, you know.

00;36;48;24 - 00;37;06;01
Speaker 1
You do your thing. I'm going to watch is fine. Is fun story to tell. Yeah. So like, I was always there I was watching the stuff. But yeah, it was actually interesting. but yeah, I mean, getting to the, like, dirty stuff, like, I. Yeah, I went to church like three hours every Sunday. That's the respect thing. Like I think that's from the Vietnamese culture.

00;37;06;01 - 00;37;26;16
Speaker 1
Also like in a way, you know, you kind of respect things like how it's going in the household and such. And they said you don't have to go, but we kind of expect you to go. So like I went others a year, I think there was only two times I didn't go, because I didn't feel well that, that Sunday or so, but like, yeah, and church activities on Wednesdays, which is nice.

00;37;26;16 - 00;37;44;12
Speaker 1
I mean, it was also like getting a feel of, of community. I don't think you have that here too much in Germany. I mean, you get it in like if you're in a sports club when you're early, young age, but because people are not really religious or so and people are more to themselves in a way like, you know, I would always say cold weather people.

00;37;44;12 - 00;37;47;09
Speaker 1
Cold. More cold, more inside, more to themselves.

00;37;47;12 - 00;37;47;28
Speaker 2
No choice.

00;37;47;28 - 00;38;06;29
Speaker 1
Yeah. So I mean, it's hockey. Oh, yeah. There, there was really different. Like, everything was really like, organized around, like, you know, your ward where you lived and such and like. Yeah, what's nice. But I mean, when you're 16, you're sitting there and somebody who's just like preaching something. So I mean, he's like long as you know. But I learned a lot of things.

00;38;06;29 - 00;38;19;29
Speaker 1
They don't swear. It's actually something that I adapted to later in life. whereas, like, actually not swearing is good. Why would you use dirty words like so you don't I don't know. No, I mean, I did, right, I mean did so many times. Oh yeah. Right.

00;38;20;02 - 00;38;21;27
Speaker 2
That's how messed up my brain is I. You did.

00;38;21;29 - 00;38;43;09
Speaker 1
What? I mean like. No. She spoke good word. yeah, I adapted to that. Like, while I was like. Yeah. What? Like why not? Yeah. Why not like, keep your mouth clean in a way that makes sense. I think there was, like, one of the things that I took away. I really like that, actually, nowadays in life, I also like, I think I took a lot of things from there, like, like the values and beliefs.

00;38;43;09 - 00;39;01;28
Speaker 1
Some of them are not bad. Like I came back also kind of defending them. People were making fun, like you live with Mormons and I was like, yeah, but actually they were really good people who really like functioning family. Like no trauma, like no crazy trauma or something like, actually, if I look back at it now and especially like I work a lot in like coaching and psychology.

00;39;01;28 - 00;39;21;16
Speaker 1
So like looking at it, it was quite well organized. Good employees, like they were loving people. So I mean, I can make fun a lot. There was a lot of funny moments, but it was also great, great, place to be, honestly. Like, I'm very thankful that I was, able to be the seventh child. Hahaha.

00;39;21;19 - 00;39;39;05
Speaker 2
Oh wow, that is so interesting. You. oh, and then you made it out okay. And if anything, you learned a lot there. I so dope use able to experience like certain cultures, you know, and then bring some of that out, not bring some of it out, but in terms of incorporating some of those like, you know, Prince, I guess, principle.

00;39;39;05 - 00;39;39;22
Speaker 2
I don't even know what.

00;39;39;22 - 00;40;00;02
Speaker 1
Yeah. No. Like really good. Like, yeah. I mean I consider a lot I think about life like also early in a way I like it was 16 you kind of teenager you supposed to do like you know what I don't know I think about whatever. But like it, it kind of got me some some different depths. I think that's kind of like also making my way up until now.

00;40;00;02 - 00;40;06;06
Speaker 1
So it's yeah, it's been a blessing in disguise. Yeah. But in the beginning I don't want to go. Right. I was like, I don't want to go say one more minute.

00;40;06;13 - 00;40;08;00
Speaker 2
Yeah, that is wild, you know.

00;40;08;06 - 00;40;12;27
Speaker 1
What's that going to be? Yeah. So you know. No, but it was beautiful. I returned a few times there.

00;40;13;00 - 00;40;16;02
Speaker 2
Oh, you went to. Okay. You went back a few times. You got friends there and stuff. You tell.

00;40;16;02 - 00;40;22;06
Speaker 1
Me. Not anymore. But like when you spend time and spend, like, half of my lifetime ago. But, like, I went back few times after. Yeah. Wow.

00;40;22;06 - 00;40;22;15
Speaker 2
Okay.

00;40;22;18 - 00;40;44;18
Speaker 1
Beautiful nature. Honestly. I mean, Utah's view of nature, we had, like, just mountain ranges, just like across like across from the house. You just go out and there's like a mountain range. Oh, that's like green lush, you know, super nice. Like. And like they're really, like nature loving people, which back when I was a teenager, I was like, I wanted to go live in California, lives O.C., California live.

00;40;44;20 - 00;40;59;23
Speaker 1
Well, I ended up in Utah. Like, what the heck? Like I'm staying in church every week, every Sunday, three hours. Like what? What happened? I wanted to live like fun, like sunny. Kind of like weird high school life. But yeah, that's for sure. Yeah.

00;40;59;25 - 00;41;05;20
Speaker 2
Wow. Okay, so then Utah was there for a year, and then you came back to Germany. where'd you go after from Utah?

00;41;05;24 - 00;41;16;15
Speaker 1
Yeah, I came back to Germany. the time my parents separated. So, like, I kind of moved from the west of Germany to, to, like, the middle of Germany to Frankfurt.

00;41;16;18 - 00;41;18;21
Speaker 2
okay. Yeah. Oh, so you live in Frankfurt?

00;41;18;24 - 00;41;35;02
Speaker 1
Yeah. Close by, like close by there. Like half an hour away? Yeah. Wow. Suburb or whatever you call it. Yeah. So I really go to my, you know, really going through my CV, you know, I know, I know. Yeah. But you know, I mean, I want to make sure, you know what a comedian. Okay.

00;41;35;04 - 00;41;44;22
Speaker 2
Who only said laughs in between, you know. But, so how was that transition from like, you know, the culture in Utah and you going back to Germany now.

00;41;44;25 - 00;42;03;08
Speaker 1
That was crazy. I kind of like it was quite a big hole also like summer break. So like I had to transition to a new school, then plus also actually in Germany, people are very different in different states. I would say, like, the state where I was from, I would say I've always said it, but I still believe it.

00;42;03;10 - 00;42;23;27
Speaker 1
I don't think I'm biased. I think people in, we call it northwest of Germany. Northern is fine. people are really the most laid back and the funniest, like, also, like, more tolerant. Like, for example, Cologne. There's like, for example, in Germany that's like a big, like, gay community. Like it's always been a thing. We celebrate Carnival.

00;42;24;03 - 00;42;39;15
Speaker 1
you know, there's always like, this crazy time, the fifth season of the year, we call it. So like, people are a little more like chill, less German in a way. Wow. So, like, I come from this kind of side of it where people are. Yeah. More relaxed. They kind of like, just like, joke around there a little more.

00;42;39;15 - 00;42;47;21
Speaker 1
I wouldn't say they have temper, but they have more humor. I would say. And then if they don't have, we call it stuck. A mosh means like, stick up the ass.

00;42;47;23 - 00;42;49;10
Speaker 2
That sounds so literal.

00;42;49;13 - 00;43;10;26
Speaker 1
But it is, right? This is kind of like how, like, maybe, like, very typical German is like. Like working in, like an office and being really, like, uptight in a way. Yeah. but then I move to around Frankfurt, where people are a lot more conservative. And yeah, I would say like less joyful and, kind of just more complicated.

00;43;10;26 - 00;43;30;00
Speaker 1
So like, that was a shock then coming from the state where everybody's like also very open minded. You guys like to talk, right? You like to have conversations and like, kind of be at ease being around just humans where these people are like in a way not I wouldn't say complete opposite, but like, yeah, that was that was kind of weird.

00;43;30;00 - 00;43;49;22
Speaker 1
Yeah. I didn't like it there. Honestly. I stayed there for a few years. finished high school and I can stuff studied around there, but it was really not my vibe. yeah. When I left in between, I also left abroad. but when I left and then, like, move to Berlin, I was like, oh, okay. This felt like a relief.

00;43;49;24 - 00;44;07;12
Speaker 1
And now I don't know if you've I mean, you lived in New York City and Berlin, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Different vibes. You kind of feel different or and when you go visit cities, like, you know, like it's not my vibe. And I had that for a long time in my life where I'm like, oh my gosh, I would never go back to a place where I don't feel like the vibe, like, right.

00;44;07;14 - 00;44;12;22
Speaker 1
Yeah. That was really, yeah, that was a tough time. Honestly. Yeah.

00;44;12;24 - 00;44;21;27
Speaker 2
Wow. I mean, I was soon just by that transition and a lot of things were happening. So your parents and I move into different parts of Germany. Like. That's a lot of stuff to happen.

00;44;21;27 - 00;44;40;12
Speaker 1
Yeah. I've moved so many places in my life, like, I've seen like, a lot of transitions. But that one was a yeah, if I talk about it now, I'm like, yeah, I think it was just not my place. like, it really was kind of like getting me more like inward, where I'm more, I would say, and be person, but I'm still more like, outgoing, like, I like people.

00;44;40;12 - 00;44;50;03
Speaker 1
I like to be around you know, there just like, it's like I couldn't, like, get the connection. Like there was no magnet meant to them. I was just the opposite. Yeah.

00;44;50;05 - 00;44;51;05
Speaker 2
You're like, damn.

00;44;51;07 - 00;44;59;25
Speaker 1
So, like, I can, like, my mom's, like, you want to move back and I'm like, no, I'm gonna move back. That was like, yeah, darkest episode. Gray's episode of my life anyway.

00;44;59;28 - 00;45;16;14
Speaker 2
Yeah. So then okay, so then a couple years in Frankfurt and you moved around and stuff, and then, now you here in Berlin? there. There's a few things there. I mean, obviously you have a lot of titles. You you you do a lot of things. Yoga instructor, hypnotist, you know, motivational, code, you know? Yeah.

00;45;16;15 - 00;45;37;06
Speaker 2
Like you do, you know, you got a lot. but this actually, I saw something in your post is actually very interesting, on Instagram. And that you, I think, is so that you took your mom on vacation or something, and. Yeah, I saw some, you know, it's about how that experience was for you and then how, you know, connecting with your mom and then her not really traveling that much or so.

00;45;37;08 - 00;45;50;24
Speaker 2
Yeah. And, you know, I'm kind of curious on, like, how did you, like what? What was like the what was a moment that kind of really brought you to those words, you know.

00;45;50;26 - 00;46;10;00
Speaker 1
so I think picking it up because that's like two and a half months ago, so. Yeah. Yeah. so, yeah, like I said, I really like I kind of like tried to reflect a lot also on my love, on the people around me and such. And, I took my mom on vacation, or, I mean, did I take her or did she take me?

00;46;10;01 - 00;46;31;01
Speaker 1
Whatever. It's like it's always a matter of perspective. in June this year was the first time, and I go on vacation. I say that to friends. I'm like, oh, dang, it's the first time I'm taking my mom on vacation. Like, really? You know, like, and I know she always says, like, you've been so many places and it's kind of like with a pain in her heart.

00;46;31;03 - 00;46;51;20
Speaker 1
But she hasn't been. She's been like, I mean, she's been in Vietnam. Then she was a guest worker in Czechoslovakia when it was just still Czechoslovakia. Wow. And then they came over to Germany. But all she's well nowadays, she's seen more. But up until, like, I was 20 something, that's all she'd seen while I was going abroad. I was living in Mexico.

00;46;51;20 - 00;47;12;13
Speaker 1
I was living in the States. you know, I went to Australia and a lot of it. She made it happen, honestly, with her heart, like handy work, honestly. And also my dad, I, I got to say that as well. but she's always been nice to like, for, for example, she always had this dream to go to the States, and that was like 6 or 7 years ago.

00;47;12;13 - 00;47;39;13
Speaker 1
She's like, that just seems really far away for her, right? Like that's like, oh, and like the States on really cool, amazing big, you know, and at some point before she turned 60, she was like, can you take me on vacation? Because the thing is. So this is the thing, one thing, she hasn't been in places, but she also can't really go places for yourself because like, she speaks Vietnamese, but at the same time she speaks German, but like very broken.

00;47;39;14 - 00;47;59;15
Speaker 1
She always and I, I don't know how she communicates with people, but it's not like she can have a deep talk like, you know, on like really like and like when I talk with other people or when she's there, I will adapt to her German so she understands like what I mean, like because it's not like, oh, so I feel this like fourth language in a way, or whatever, fifth or whatever, where I'm like this German Vietnamese thingy, right?

00;47;59;17 - 00;48;18;19
Speaker 1
to translate, but like, so, like she can't really go places, like she can go in Germany, like she can get a ticket or whatever. She'll go get passed. But, like, she doesn't speak English, which, like, English is almost as my English, I would say, is as, not as good as my German, but very good. Like, it's my second language by now, actually.

00;48;18;19 - 00;48;36;15
Speaker 1
Funnily, second best. so far it's really hard to get around like. So I had to, in a way, take her. I mean, she's been going with friends to organize tours, but like, I realized I was like, oh, I actually really got to take her to make it a nice experience. And that also switches like our rules around a lot, right?

00;48;36;15 - 00;48;58;08
Speaker 1
She's my mom. But then I go take her. I go take care of her when we go somewhere or whatever. And, yeah, that was kind of like a flipping point for me in a way. we went on vacation, I realized, like, you know, all the people around me. I grew up around a lot of Germans. I mean, also actually a lot of Turkish, but I, I'm not really in touch with them anymore, so I don't know how their reality is.

00;48;58;11 - 00;49;11;09
Speaker 1
But mostly I grew up around a lot of Germans and so I was always comparing myself. Also, I was like, I want to have a chill life where like my parents just come home and they don't, you know, work. But what I realized that when I went on vacation, okay, I've also never been on vacation with my mom.

00;49;11;09 - 00;49;17;10
Speaker 1
Really? we went to Vietnam, but that's like a money visit where you go and you give money to relatives.

00;49;17;12 - 00;49;17;28
Speaker 2
that is.

00;49;17;28 - 00;49;45;23
Speaker 1
Yeah. Like it's not a vacation. I mean, you go and say, like, you know, you go and you're there, you show up, you say, like, you know, you show up and you, they're coming from abroad. But it's not like going on vacation. So this was really left after 31 days was the first vacation with my mom. And I realize how how I actually am a kind of an immigrant in a way, like sometimes you just it's so it's so in you that you it's like you don't realize, okay, I don't know.

00;49;45;23 - 00;49;52;12
Speaker 1
It's like, I don't know. Do you always realize you black? I don't know, I don't know, I forget sometimes like sometimes you so in it that you don't see

00;49;52;15 - 00;50;07;27
Speaker 2
I'd say I mean not black, but more so. Yeah, I mean black, as you know, skin color and stuff, but. And also in America, it's kind of, in front of you. But in terms of African, I would say that certain things I would do, it would be like anyone who knows an African would be like, oh, that's all.

00;50;08;00 - 00;50;17;16
Speaker 2
Like, I have this one friend, her name is Christiana. And, anytime I like react something about Africans sometimes or the way we react to stuff or we're shocked is, like, very distinct, right.

00;50;17;16 - 00;50;18;21
Speaker 1
How is that?

00;50;18;23 - 00;50;39;18
Speaker 2
is is that over the top? So, like, sometimes somebody we speak like what? You like, why are you still, you know, like you. So you just tripped and you just spilled on the ground, like when you, you know, like you just, like, kind of make. Yeah, like. But you don't mean it's not a big deal. It's just how you respond to something that or like, for example, somebody like, yeah, you know, almost fell asleep and, you know, our driver, someone got home.

00;50;39;18 - 00;50;45;24
Speaker 2
I'm like, what you up? A you know, how about you fell asleep behind the wheel and then you go home? Oh, my heart, you know, it's like, yeah, it's.

00;50;45;24 - 00;50;47;03
Speaker 1
Like this kind of shockingly.

00;50;47;06 - 00;50;59;15
Speaker 2
Yeah. It's basically aggressive curiosity. That's the best way to explain it. So she'll call it out. And sometimes I will not even know I'll be like, my brain is not even. And she but I should, I should I? Yeah. Usually like you so African. Yeah. Oh my goodness.

00;50;59;16 - 00;51;01;24
Speaker 1
Oh fun. And then and then she's telling.

00;51;01;27 - 00;51;05;28
Speaker 2
She'll tell me there's things I do my All right I mean yeah.

00;51;06;01 - 00;51;23;11
Speaker 1
All right. I mean we should that background in a way. Yeah. Like for me I for a long time and I didn't realize what those words meant. I would talk to people and sometimes I would say, especially like in my 20s, I think, I said if I would look in the mirror, I would think I'm white. Really?

00;51;23;14 - 00;51;39;05
Speaker 1
That was back then. And like, in a funny way, I say that I just like, say it now. It's in my brain. I kind of have been finding my color back the last years. I don't mean it just like also it has to do with, like, family drama and also in the way, like, you know, my parents always said like, oh, you're so German.

00;51;39;05 - 00;52;03;17
Speaker 1
And I also didn't want to be Vietnamese. What does it mean to be Vietnamese? Because I had two people showing me I didn't have a huge community. It was different. Like, you know, people grow up in communities, different. I grew up with like Vietnamese parents with like a very like, German like society around me. And then like, I was like, so you can't really know what's Vietnamese and what's family what's, you know, like, there's no like that's Vietnamese.

00;52;03;17 - 00;52;22;05
Speaker 1
So like, I just knew I wanted to be German because German seemed easier. And so this is like things like, yeah, the trip with my mom had really kind of, brought me back to, okay, where do I come from? Actually, anyway, it was nice. It was nice to, like, take her on vacation, be easy. And it's funny.

00;52;22;07 - 00;52;40;01
Speaker 1
yeah. For her to be at ease and for and but also at the same time, be like, yeah, if I go. So that's the thing. The difference is, if I go on vacation with my mom, I'm the one organizing. I'm going to be the driver. She doesn't have a driver's license because she failed the driver's license test three times, because I'm just being nervous for.

00;52;40;03 - 00;52;59;27
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that changes your life. You don't have a driver's license. You're always dependent on something, right? Right. So, yeah, like, I was driving around. I was the one translating things. I don't know, like, everything I would, I would decide where we go, because, I mean, you have no choice anyways. I mean, I'll ask you.

00;52;59;27 - 00;53;06;11
Speaker 1
You want to go to the beach? I will choose the beach because, like, yeah, all this kind of information or whatever, like, there's not. And this is an.

00;53;06;11 - 00;53;07;13
Speaker 2
America that you guys travel.

00;53;07;13 - 00;53;16;06
Speaker 1
To over. No. We went to America, which is such a dream like, wow, navigation. But it was just the cheapest flight. I would have loved to take her to Italy.

00;53;16;08 - 00;53;16;22
Speaker 2
that would've been.

00;53;16;25 - 00;53;35;00
Speaker 1
She would love that. Actually. Go into Italy? Yeah. When she was pregnant with me, she would always eat us to Italian place next to her work and like. Like fresh pasta, like she. She loved it, so. Wow. That's what another time. Yeah, but yeah, it really just kind of. Yeah. Show me a different reality. Show me my own reality in a way.

00;53;35;00 - 00;53;48;22
Speaker 1
Again, when I was like, looking back on my own history, I was like, okay. I mean, that was a long way to come here and still a long way. And there's a lot of reality that is quite painful in a way. Let you know everybody around you, they're like, that was your first vacation with your mom.

00;53;48;25 - 00;53;49;23
Speaker 2
I mean, that's.

00;53;49;23 - 00;54;00;02
Speaker 1
Like, you know, for a lot of people. I mean, they have been going on vacation since one when? All the time, like the people I grew up with. Right, in a way. So that was special. Yeah, that was special.

00;54;00;03 - 00;54;03;04
Speaker 2
Yeah. I guess also, Germany does have that culture of like traveling a lot.

00;54;03;11 - 00;54;19;21
Speaker 1
She also has like, yeah, for example, like I mean you could compare it to go into a different state even. But like, yeah, my mom didn't get anywhere apart from out of, Germany. She went to Vietnam for the last 20 ish years. And then just only recently in the last years, like, her and her friends go on small trips and such.

00;54;19;21 - 00;54;22;20
Speaker 1
But yeah, it was nice for her to go with me.

00;54;22;20 - 00;54;38;12
Speaker 2
I think that is so, though. Yeah, that's so dope. And I really love, like, the message you, you put behind. I don't know, you put that up somewhere more so, but I was like dope to see that, you know, the experiences you guys had. Yeah. And you know, hopefully more people go ahead and then do that.

00;54;38;14 - 00;54;55;06
Speaker 1
Yeah. I think that's really good for others as well. Like, you know, I have more friends who have like immigration of background or such, but different living realities. And for me it was always a pain being like, I feel so different. But that was that was a nice that was a nice vacation with my mom. I hope we can get to go more.

00;54;55;07 - 00;55;07;08
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. Next time, we're gonna actually meet in Vietnam. Wow. Okay. yeah. But, then we also said we're going to go on vacation. Why not? Just, like, hang around, like, you know, our folks and search for Vietnam?

00;55;07;10 - 00;55;26;02
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's funny how you say that is not really a vacation is always like. Yeah, the same thing when I go to, like, Liberia with my. You know, family or from. So did you get this like family. Come is obviously not for free. They try and be like, hey, so, you know, you you hungry? Because I am, trying to buy food for everybody in my home.

00;55;26;04 - 00;55;41;13
Speaker 2
I guess you're right. I guess, based on how you ask that, I guess so, yeah. We all get food, you know? yeah. Can I stay here? By the way, I have no money to go back. All right, all right. So, I guess is you here in this place, I thought I was gonna have privacy. No.

00;55;41;16 - 00;55;57;15
Speaker 1
it's this kind of mixed thing, right? Like you were. In a way. You go back. I don't know if you feel like that, but I would assume, like, you go back and it feels like familiar. And nice. Because you haven't seen people. But then, you know, it always comes with this kind of thing where it's like I don't know, it's not easy.

00;55;57;15 - 00;56;02;06
Speaker 1
It's different when you're like hey let's go out to eat, I pay rather than, you know, there's something coming.

00;56;02;08 - 00;56;10;08
Speaker 2
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to hang out, but I'll just hang out. Means I'll pay for the whole time hang out. All right. This is not just a hangout where we.

00;56;10;08 - 00;56;13;13
Speaker 1
Just, you know, and then you have a date with ten people thing for them.

00;56;13;15 - 00;56;26;26
Speaker 2
Oh, my. Anybody else also here? So also, you know, your uncle, you know this, you know. Oh, so we're all hanging out. It was just me, you know, the whole family events. Okay. Yeah. Or like so. So going to school. Who's that person? My cousin. guess I'm related. So. Yeah. You know.

00;56;27;00 - 00;56;45;05
Speaker 1
Yeah, I can only take it for a little, honestly, like, I would just went back after I. So that's the thing. I've put it aside for a long time. I was just recently, you know, a live of in the somewhere. I went back to Vietnam. This, Yeah. Was like the first time in 16 years. Oh, wow. And I've been going all around the rural and then had some fun.

00;56;45;05 - 00;56;50;11
Speaker 1
I just realized it's been 16 years, girls, girl. Like, I think you've been avoiding something.

00;56;50;13 - 00;56;53;00
Speaker 2
I think I need to, you know. Yeah. Confront something.

00;56;53;03 - 00;56;56;15
Speaker 1
Yeah. Oh. That was. Yeah, that was interesting.

00;56;56;17 - 00;57;01;19
Speaker 2
so, so let's get into your, you know, your your, your titles.

00;57;01;19 - 00;57;05;15
Speaker 1
Or my titles. Oh, shoot. Yeah. Okay. People got time. Yeah.

00;57;05;15 - 00;57;10;10
Speaker 2
So let's go with the most interesting one. You were a, hypnosis.

00;57;10;12 - 00;57;33;20
Speaker 1
I mean, I'm a hypno coach in this post, so. Yeah. No. It's fine. I mean, you can call it whatever. yeah, I sometimes I like to frame at different. I say I'm meditation, I teach to not get people scared because in the end, it's like, you know, sometimes a framing is just. Yeah. yeah. I was blessed to get an education, like in Covid times.

00;57;33;22 - 00;57;57;01
Speaker 1
that just kind of came to me, and funnily it's like it, yeah, it all intertwines and things but yeah I mean yeah, it, it, coach, and stomach coach we looked at. Yeah. You just kind of look at your subconscious and you can walk a path with somebody and like, go deeper and, like, see if you can find some memories.

00;57;57;04 - 00;58;15;20
Speaker 1
yeah. We create some scenes like, let's say you had a bad scene and that thing that was traumatizing. And go back and, like, make peace with it. Like, you kind of go into your subconscious and like, re you can reframe it or just look at it and see what's there. I mean, it is in a way like inception, but.

00;58;15;22 - 00;58;16;10
Speaker 2
Wow.

00;58;16;11 - 00;58;30;20
Speaker 1
You can if you want to. Yes. But I mean, it's not as easy. I would say people have the guards, you have your guards in your subconscious. So it's not like doesn't always work well, and of how far you want to go. Yeah. It's beautiful work.

00;58;30;23 - 00;58;33;00
Speaker 2
That is, that's some brave stuff right there.

00;58;33;02 - 00;58;53;12
Speaker 1
Yeah, I've seen crazy stuff. And, you know, it's always like there's layers to it. yeah. I've had a girl once, like, had like this, like, like, you know, kind of in a way typical, like, insect phobias by the phobia. But there was a lot more depth to it. Like it came from something, something something like that.

00;58;53;12 - 00;59;02;23
Speaker 1
She was like, I can't be a room with in in a room with a spider by myself. She was just like, she, like she really could not.

00;59;02;25 - 00;59;03;09
Speaker 2
Wow.

00;59;03;10 - 00;59;16;21
Speaker 1
Oh, yeah. and then you kind of go and find out why and what can help and like, you know, try to rewire that, that in a situation where there is a spider, maybe you can handle it yourself. And then wanting to jump out of the window or something.

00;59;16;23 - 00;59;18;16
Speaker 2
Like, yeah, that would be.

00;59;18;19 - 00;59;38;08
Speaker 1
yeah. So yeah, that's yeah. But I mainly I don't practice too much. I mean, people have been coming back to me and been really interested. and I think I should do more with just like, I don't, I don't really market it too much. I use it, and you can use it really well in, the kind of language that you use.

00;59;38;08 - 00;59;58;22
Speaker 1
You can use it a lot. It's good to use it in yoga. it's not like I'm hypnotizing. I'm just like, you know, I'm using kind of, like, similar language or like, especially in, like, shavasana, where you want to get people deep, right? In this state, in this frequency. That's perfect. I was like, I learned hypnosis, I learned the hypnosis stuff before I did the yoga teacher training.

00;59;58;22 - 01;00;13;28
Speaker 1
And then I went to the yoga teacher. I was like, this is perfect. Wow. Perfect. I can, like, make people like, run through the flow and then put them really deep and they're going to float out after, oh, just really like, I feel like people do when they come to my class.

01;00;14;04 - 01;00;17;23
Speaker 2
Wow. Okay. So yeah, you probably the top like yoga teacher I do know.

01;00;17;25 - 01;00;46;12
Speaker 1
Yes, I think okay, I think I'm okay. There's a lot of good ones there. There's a lot of shit ones, especially heels in Berlin because everybody's teaching something. Yeah, but I don't know what you should be teaching, but, But. Yeah, but, Yeah, I think I'm okay. I think I'm, I would say I'm a student of life, so there's never, I wouldn't I even this teacher title, it's easy to say I haven't found something and sometimes I call myself instructor, but I was like, I just know I'll see.

01;00;46;12 - 01;00;50;26
Speaker 1
Maybe I'll find a good title where I feel like that's that's what it is.

01;00;50;26 - 01;01;07;22
Speaker 2
No. So I have one last question for you. And it's a question I asked everyone on the podcast I recently have is that, you've been through a lot of different cultural experiences, right? You've, you're not, born from Vinny's parents. You lived you had a fleet of German, not fleet. Yeah, two, two at a time job.

01;01;07;24 - 01;01;20;23
Speaker 2
And he's, was was part of Germany. Oh, I know, you know, that bad. You're you're you're you're you're the one. You know, you're the special one that you know, did to specialize in.

01;01;20;24 - 01;01;21;28
Speaker 1
Yeah.

01;01;22;00 - 01;01;29;01
Speaker 2
Didn't you, you was, special. can't say special. Well, it not being back, you were. Guys.

01;01;29;03 - 01;01;32;27
Speaker 1
I was really nice kid. People, like, I wasn't really different from that.

01;01;33;00 - 01;01;56;09
Speaker 2
Come on. Yeah, a bad hypnotist. Come on. Okay. Can never happen. so was, you know what Germany do? I've also traveled to the states. Utah. You know, you came back and parents separated. And using that that part. Germany travel Mexico, even the, you know, so many different cultures. And if you used to go back in your life to your younger years, what would be the advice you give to your younger self?

01;01;56;11 - 01;02;21;16
Speaker 1
Okay, let's do one. I would say it gets better. it gets better. It gets better once. Once you get to the point, where you can decide stuff. Because honestly, when you're younger, you're in a frame of circumstances. Yes. You I mean, from a spiritual or like, psychology, psychological perspective, you have a frame where you can surround yourself with.

01;02;21;23 - 01;02;50;28
Speaker 1
But you're too young to know that you can, like, change your attitude or things like, I think it's very hard then when you're really, like, absorbed in your feelings or things, and you don't really have space to like, move around things, but like, yeah, I mean, later in life, it gets it gets better when you learn things and when you, kind of go through life and you start to learn that even, like, yeah, anyway, bad experience on a bad.

01;02;50;28 - 01;03;12;06
Speaker 1
So like, it gets easier and you get to enjoy life more how it's, I think I would tell my younger self in a way, yeah. and yeah, every, everything that you kind of encounter is like, can be a good learning experience. And then once you have that twist, it's like, okay, life was a game when you're learning from it.

01;03;12;08 - 01;03;12;25
Speaker 1
I.

01;03;12;28 - 01;03;16;16
Speaker 2
I like that that is though, that makes life a lot more interesting.

01;03;16;16 - 01;03;38;26
Speaker 1
Yeah. Like, yeah. I think what I can add on to this like one story is like a small one is like, there was a time this is like five years ago I was dating somebody in Berlin. I felt like, in a way, like, not madly in love. But I was really, like, in love. And I knew with that person we weren't going to be in a relationship because he was like, moving away.

01;03;38;28 - 01;04;00;28
Speaker 1
And I really fell in love with a personality. And he left, and I was kind of like, in a way, I was devastated, but also not. And then one time there was I was grieving it, and I realized I was like, the grieving is hard, but what is it grieving showing me? I don't really think it was more like, in a way, an enlightening moment.

01;04;01;00 - 01;04;17;04
Speaker 1
I was like, boom! And I was like, but I only have the grief because I like that person so much. And that was like the twist for me. I was like, oh my gosh, now the grief actually seems nice because I'm actually grieving an experience that I had, or a person that I would like to be around and they're not there.

01;04;17;04 - 01;04;32;28
Speaker 1
But we also didn't have any drama. You know, it was just more like, they're not there. I had a good experience and it's just a sign that I had a really good experience. And then I was like, fuck that. And actually, in a way, heartache or whatever is not as bad because you go back to the point of reference, you're like, that's why.

01;04;33;00 - 01;04;49;09
Speaker 1
And that was a plot twist. And I was just like, okay. And also any type of other motions, it's just showing you something and it's not easy. I don't want that. Like I don't want to say, hey people, you you got to look at everything super lightly. But like, it twists like it really was a twist when I was like, you know, and like hard.

01;04;49;09 - 01;05;03;22
Speaker 1
It can be good because it reminds you of something. Wow, you're doing well. That is that Africa thing again. Yeah.

01;05;03;25 - 01;05;12;11
Speaker 1
I love it. That's a good reaction. That's nice. When you tell a story and you get these type of reaction works, you how it works. Yeah.

01;05;12;14 - 01;05;15;03
Speaker 2
yeah. That is a good. Yeah.

01;05;15;04 - 01;05;16;15
Speaker 1
Wow.

01;05;16;17 - 01;05;18;08
Speaker 2
That that is.

01;05;18;11 - 01;05;19;26
Speaker 1
Hmhm.

01;05;19;29 - 01;05;22;14
Speaker 2
Sorry, I forget that I,

01;05;22;17 - 01;05;25;15
Speaker 1
What what? No, no. Yeah, yeah.

01;05;25;17 - 01;05;31;04
Speaker 2
Yeah, that's a that's a very thank you for sharing that story. I think that really hits a lot for a lot of people.

01;05;31;04 - 01;05;34;20
Speaker 1
You know I hope it does. Like. Yeah I mean oh yeah. Yeah.

01;05;34;24 - 01;05;52;09
Speaker 2
I mean maybe, maybe the results may vary here in Berlin, but, sorry, I say, but no, that is beautiful, though. Definitely that, you know, that certain emotions come from sometimes beautiful places. You know, and, and then thank you very much for sharing.

01;05;52;11 - 01;05;53;22
Speaker 1
Thank you. You're welcome.

01;05;53;25 - 01;06;01;06
Speaker 2
All right, so anything else you want to leave to people or, you know. Nuh Well, after that, I mean, that's really a major job, right?

01;06;01;08 - 01;06;07;22
Speaker 1
Yeah, that was my job. Right. But, like. Yeah, I mean, just like, yeah, I don't know, take, take everything as it comes.

01;06;07;25 - 01;06;20;00
Speaker 2
All right. Cool. Thank you very much for doing this. Thank you. And guys, thank you very much for listening or watching the third culture podcast. third culture talk podcast. I'm your host. Nya Yeanafehn, don't laugh at me. And I'll see you.

01;06;20;02 - 01;06;24;05
Speaker 1
She's. I'll see you around.

01;06;24;10 - 01;06;33;17
Speaker 2
Oh, see you around. you just the water. I didn't drink, today. it's a rough day, but I'll see you guys in the next one. Oh, he's.