About a total of eight hundred and thirteen more vpc since that drop happened, and if we go back six months, they've added a total of about sixty four point three k bitcoin worth tens of billions of dollars, I believe, So it's it's still looking quite strong from sharks and wales right now. And I think we mentioned it the last time we talked about The only concern I have is that stable coins aren't really being accumulated, so the dry powder that implies that whales and sharks have more
and more and more to swap for bitcoin. That's a little on the limited side because they've already been swapping so much tether and USD coin.
Welcome into the Thinking Crypto Podcast. I'm your host, Tony Edward, and I have Brian from Sentiment with me, and of course, guys, you know we're going to do a deep dive into the metrics in what's happening with bitcoin and all coins and even XRP. As we got news that the XRP or the first XRP ETF SPOTTYTF has been following in the United States by bit Wise Brian. Great to see you, Great to see you.
Yeah, lots going on. We obviously had a correction in the past three to four days after one of the more predictable tops. I wouldn't say it was just an obvious given, but Friday was kind of when we were seeing peak euphoria. And sure enough, you know, about twenty four hours after that, midway through the weekend, we start to see this nosedive from a lot of crypto prices. So many people are trying to figure out what to do next, and that's what we'll try to do here on the call. Yeah.
Absolutely, And you know, as it relates a Bitcoin, I've been telling people like, be cautiously optimistic. We don't know if the bottom is in yet, and there could still be more volatility before we actually start breaking out to new all time highs. And then Brian to your boy, like, you're thrown into the mix a bunch of macro news about war and this and that. It just adds fuel to the fire.
Totally. Yeah. I mean there's there's always real world news that can throw a wrench into what the you know, probable direction was going to be in crypto, and I think with the news that kind of broke in the Middle East, there's a lot more reasons than just whales and you know, fomo and fud among the crowd that are causing price havoc right now, So let's.
Take a look at the data and what is it telling us.
Yeah, of course, So we'll start with just a quick update on what we saw Friday. We posted this out to the public. It actually went super viral. It was a little unexpected that it got quite as much attention as it did, but we basically said, you know, sentiment is at a year high in terms of bullishness. This
is the ratio of positive comments versus negative comments. Using our algorithm, which is not a perfect science, but a pretty good one, we're able to pick up if someone is you know, mentioned bitcoin in a positive light versus a negative light. You know, if people are saying I'm buying or to the moon and stuff and it isn't sarcasm, right like, we're able to pick up that it's bullish. And long story short, we see this huge, huge spike
in euphoria after this fifteen to twenty percent. I forget exactly what the rise was, but around that range bounce right here, and we're kind of flattening out right at that moment, and we warned people. We basically just said, if you're awaiting bitcoins a new all time high, it may need to wait until the crowd slows down their
own expectations. There are currently one point eight bullish posts toward bitcoin for every one bearage post, and I'd say it averages maybe more like one point two to one. There's always a little bit of a bullish bias. People don't want to just be on social media talking natively about crypto. They're into it for a reason. They expect
prices to go up long term. But when it goes up, you know, almost two to one like this, that's a sign that we're getting pretty overheated and people are putting a little too much by pressure without any cell pressure. And in a zero sum game you always need both or else prices tend to suddenly pivot and go the opposite direction. And that's exactly what happened. And now everyone's like, oh, maybe Santon, it sort of knows what we're talking about, and excuse me. The question is where are we now.
There's so many different things we can look through. I'll try to get through some of what the crowd is doing at this moment. After the mini collapse that we saw as well as how the whales are accumulating. And you can see right here just off of prices mostly you see have read over the past week. This is from last Wednesday to this Wednesday. It's only down to
Modust two and a half percent. Ethereum down about six percent, but you can see especially assets like Manarow which are still getting delistings from major exchange right now, dropping sixteen percent. There's still some mean coins doing quite well. You can see shiba Enu up eight percent in the past week, Pepe up fourteen, up seventeen. We'll dive into how mean coin performances are looking as of now towards the end
of the call. But I think another thing, as we alluded to at the beginning, this is very much being impacted by the war concerns. We saw the same phenomenon going back to twenty twenty two with the Ukraine and Russia war news when that first broke back in I think oct what was it the early part of this year, something like April or May, when we really started to see the Israel and Palestine situation pick up for the
first time and hit global mainstream. That's when we started to see a little bit of a dip there and now it's back. We're seeing a pretty big conscious consciousness spike in terms of the Middle East conflict and all of the top keywords Iran, Israel, war, missiles, East Middle these are all related to the war right now, and people are clearly concerned. When there's war, there are economic
consequences that can trickle over to crypto. Some think that, you know, war can actually be a long term benefit to crypto. Maybe that's the case, depending on what kind of war you're talking about, you know, from an ethical perspective, you know, we had sanceman. Hope everyone is okay and we're not rooting for wherever. But yes, I mean if if currencies collapse and more reliances on decentralized currency exchange, yes,
I guess I see that point. But the usual immediate impact is we see a retrace and a bit of a drop due to economic consequences that usually translate over to crypto.
Yeah, that absolutely makes sense. And you know, like you mentioned, we saw a bit of this with the Ukraine Russia war and in the short term super volatile, but then
eventually things went back to normal business. I want to make sure you use the right words here because not trying to make a light of war obviously, But the markets eventually stabilized and started moving up, and there could be factors where because governments do money printing to fund wars and all these different things, that that liquidity ends up finding its way through the markets, and you know, people get bullish because they're like, oh, the government's keep printing,
I'm going to put my money in assets.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's an interesting phenomenon and it's hard to say when these initial pieces of news break how long of an impact this will have on markets, But based on history, we usually see somewhere like at twenty four to seventy two hour reaction to the news, and then markets tend to normalize as long as things don't get even worse than what that initial news report was. Sure, so it can often be kind of a cell to rumor by the news situation.
Can we look at what the whales are doing, you know, as far as are they buying, selling, how auty navigating this type of activity that's taking place totally?
Yeah, let's take a look. So in terms of this sorry, this tier right here, this is just the ten plus BTC wallets and their combined holdings still looking good. This is one thing that we're still optimistic about. There was a little bit of a flattening out period, and when whales actually take a break from accumulating, that's when we
tend to see tops. This one was kind of a mid sized one, but after that drop back on the thirtieth, like right after it happened, we started to see more accumulation. It's not much, but they've added about a total of eight hundred and thirteen more BTC since that drop happened, and if we go back six months, they've added a total of about sixty four point three k bitcoin worth tens of billions of dollars, I believe. So it's still
looking quite strong from sharks and whales right now. And I think we mentioned the last time we talked, But the only concern I have is that stable coins aren't really being accumulated, so the dry powder that implies that whales and sharks have more and more and more to swap for bitcoin. That's a little on the limited side because they've already been swapping so much tether and USD coin for bitcoin over the past two ish months or so. When they really started.
Yeah, that makes sense. And I can imagine, you know, with the semi or mini euphoria that we saw last week with bitcoin going to sixty six, the wheels, if they're using data and so forth, they're going to sit back and say, we're not going to buy, let it drop, then we'll buy.
We'll look for those opportunities. Yeah, tail is oldest times. It's kind of just this is the way they make money in addition to holding long term. When they want to add a little extra to their stacks, they can collectively push down prices or just decide to take a pause, you know, swap some bitcoin for a few yachts. I kid, of course, but you never know what they're doing. And then they wait for prices to drop and then buy back in prices, go back to pre yacht buy prices,
and suddenly they have a free yacht. That's that's kind of how it works when you have that kind of capital in a sentiment driven sector like crypto.
Absolutely. Is there any other data from a Bitcoin standpoint that do you want to highlight?
Yeah, a few things. This is a bit of a look at some of the top caps together, beginning with Bitcoin's total amount of holders, so conversely to what the whales are doing. The total amount of non empty wallets, as you would imagine, is mostly comprised by tiny wallets. It's a lot easier to make a wallet that's the equivalent of one dollar as opposed to ten million dollars,
and there's way more of them. So when you see drops, that actually is a sign that a rally can either begin or continue because these small holders are liquidating their wallets and the sharks and whales are scooping up those coins. Right now, it's still trickling up a little bit, but I'm noticing it's it's been flattening out since September. There seems to be some contentness from retail traders to take profit,
maybe going back to August September of last year. I think October was when the rally really began to take off. But the point is we aren't seeing crazy amounts of retail wallets being created right now. So even though FOMO had been going nuts toward the end of September, we're not seeing an immense amount of new wallets being created on a daily basis. I consider that a good long term sign. Naturally, you're going to see this growth over time.
This is a four year look at bitcoin wallet growth, and for the good of the the network and crypto at large, you want to see more while it's been created. But as long as it's not rapid growth like this, which would indicate fomo, we're usually in a pretty good place. And then Ethereum doing its thing. It's it's much harder to tell with Ethereum because DeFi and staking just make
Ethereum wallets so much easier to create. If I put these on a shared access Look at how much if the amount of non empty Etherium wallets dwarf the amount of non empty Bitcoin and tether wallets, it's just insane, more than twice the amount, almost two and a half times the amount of Etherium wallets compared to Bitcoin.
Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Boy, I'm very curious as to what happens this month because you know, there's been a big sentiment of October October, right and yeah, yeah, I remember you talking about this in the last episode, that it becomes a self prophecy and whatever you want to call it. And you know, could could the herd being who could have been screaming October October and September was not as bad as history has shown as.
But could that flip.
Because people are so excited about October that October is not a great month.
Yeah. I stand by my theory that we have way too small of a sample size and crypto to be able to declare that one month is always good and one month is always bad. You know, It's one thing like if we say Fridays or a good day of the week, there's at least been a few thousand fridays if I'm calculating right, maybe somewhere near a thousand Fridays that have happened since crypto was introduced back in back in two thousand and eight, way back in pizza times.
But when it comes to you know, looking at fifteen years of data and let's say eleven of those fifteen October's were really good, that's not nearly enough if you talk to any statistician to be able to say, okay, we can conf evidently declare that, you know, eleven out of fifteen Octobers means you can celebrate every October because crypto is going up, And especially when you start seeing words like October trending, that's a pretty good sign that
the mainstream crowd is just kind of believing that this time of year is always bullish. You don't want them to believe that if the average retail trader is just buying into this narrative, it actually creates a higher probability the opposite result coming true. So I would I would pump the brakes on your enthusiasm that crypto is going to go up this month simply because simply because of the timing, it could go up for plenty of reasons, and then if it does, people might think, oh, see,
October is is validated. I knew that it would go up. It could go up for so many reasons, and we'd have to be kind of cautious when it comes to playing the timing game. I see all the time people saying I think that the all time high is going to happen in March of twenty twenty five, and we always scratch our heads and go, why if you believe, if you believe that crypto is just going to chill for now and then suddenly go up in March, why
do you have any crypto at all? If you're that confident it's don't play the timing game, is what I say. Play play the long term situation because timing in the markets always, I'm sorry, the amount of time in the markets always beats timing, and any investor will tell you that, especially from an equities background, it's almost impossible to predict.
And when we have something like the having going on in bitcoin earlier this year, remember it wasn't the month of the timing that crypto went up, it was like the six months before it. As people are anticipating it, So pay attention to the stuff that's going on deep into the future rather than saying, Okay, this event is happening now, I'm going to wait until like the day before it happens and then buy in, right. So that's that's my tangent about timing and how I think October is is kind of BS.
Yeah, for sure. Definitely something for folks that keep in mind is good advice, and it goes past the you know, the hard mentality and your feelings and emotions and what you think the market's going to do. The best you look at the data and materious to your point, it could be October, but it may not be. You have to be prepared for both, and it's best to look at data let's talk about XRP, because we got some big news yesterday that Bitwise Asset Management followed for the
first XRP spoty TIF in the US. Obviously, this is a top ten asset by market cap and there's a lot of there's a big community. There's also a lot of controversy around it. There's obviously a deadline this week where the SEC may appeal the ruling or I should say early next week, and you know, we don't know what's going to happen there, but this is still some good news. What are you seeing for XRP.
Yeah, from a social perspective, if we look at the top ten trending coins, these are the assets that are seeing the highest percentage of discussion rise compared to their usual discussion rate. Outside of Curve, which is seeing quite a bit of attention themselves. XRP is the highest in crypto in terms of discussion rate right now, so clearly people are quite excited about it. You can see right here in our AI generated explanation of why it's trending.
Recent filings by Bitwise Asset Management for a spot XRP ETF generated significant interest, signaling a move towards legitimizing XRP as an investment vehicle. So yeah, clearly people are excited about it. Notice though, so this little mini chart shows the social volume of XRP over the past week. It peaked here a couple days ago, and then right after that prices collapse. And yes, part of this was because crypto overall started to see a retrace, but other assets
did not see this sharp of a decline. And I think this is a perfect example of a buy the room or sell the news, where everyone thinks that this news is going to be good for XRP, and then the sharks and whales and the powers that be say no, no, we're not going to be pumping XRP yet. And this has happened with like Bitcoin's ETF at the beginning of twenty twenty four. I think it was May or June when Ethereum got there.
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You see the news and everyone thinks it's bullish, and then suddenly we see a retrace. And this doesn't mean that the news isn't bullish. It just means that the over enthusiastic people got a little too excited here, bought at the top, and they need to be a little more patient before the effects of this news. Of course, this is still a rumor right now. They've only filed, but assuming it's approved, that's when you're really going to see a lot of bullish momentum. So it's it's basically
people getting excited about speculative news right now. And I think it's it's a very classic by the rumor, sell the news situation.
Gotcha, Yeah, to your point, just news. It hasn't been approved. You know, just because you follow something doesn't mean it's going to get approved. It's a good sign, but there's also this looming appeal coming in and.
If we don't know what the SEC is going to do. Yeah, So I mean the probability of an ETF for XRP is a lot higher than it was a week ago because now we have a filing. So that's great if you're an XRP fan, Just don't get overly excited, especially when there's so much news that can just manipulate markets. You never know with some of these media sources who put out a report that makes something seem probable when
it's still a far way away. But at least according to the metrics right now, we saw a gigantic amount of transaction volume on this news It was about a three month high here and then going down. Similarly with circulation. This is the amount of unique tokens moving on a daily basis, and we saw one point three to five billion XRP being moved on September thirtieth. That was the highest since August first. And then this one might be
key right here. I actually like to see that the average returns of addresses that been active in the past thirty days, you're back in the red, down about two percent. So there's actually slightly less risk than average. If you were to buy during any time during xrp's existence as a publicly traded coin, you'd be buying while the average traders are slightly underwater on the short to mid term timescale, that's a good thing. From a three to sixty five
day perspective, they're just barely above zero percent. So if we start to see this one get a little below zero, these are the ultimate times to buy. Like we saw about four weeks ago on September sixth, they were both way underwater the short and long term returns, and then suddenly we see this huge spike. And that's I mean almost every time when you see average returns well below
zero percent. It's such a great signal that buying is a very likely good, good strategy, and we're at least in a situation where XP looks like it's leaning toward a buy candidate once again.
M hmm. Yeah, it's fascinating and how these things play out with sentiment and buier room or sell, the news events and so forth. And that's where this data is so helpful to show you where they might be buying opportunities and when possibly to sell based on what's happening in the market. Any other data you know in regards to XRP, or maybe we could jump to all coins in like different categories like meme coins and so forth.
Yeah, I just wanted to point out that XRP is pretty neutral in terms of sentiments, So even though it's getting a lot of discussion, I think it's a polarizing topic. Otherwise we'd be seeing super bullish spikes like this where everyone's just talking about it positively. So that's a good sign as well. I'd keep that in mind. It's not just about the amount of discussion, it's about like what
ratio of the discussions are bullish versus bearish. So there's still kind of a tug of war going on between bulls and bears, probably because this correction has pulled this down. I bet right after the announcement of the ETF filing it was way like super bullish like here, and then people saw the retrace and said, oh, okay, I guess it's not a big deal. So I find that interesting too. Okay, So in terms of meme coins, I've got this chart.
This is pretty noisy, So I'm going to turn everything into one week bars instead of one day.
Yeah, some of these meme coins have been starting to gain some life again, and I think you highlight its on like ship and bonk and so forth.
Yeah, I mean, over the past week there's still some of the better performers. And we actually put out an insight yesterday about dogecoin looking a bit intriguing on the bullish end. There's no guarantees and this is an investment advice, but we do see that whale activity has been particularly heavy for dogecoin. Right now. This is like three day bars, just to kind of give broad looks at what the
metrics are doing. Twelve hundred and three whale transactions at the end of September that was the highest in about four months, and then we're followed up with the largest amount of daily active addresses since early April, seven month high. This tells me that there's a lot of buying the
dip going on, and it's not just retail traders. This blue bar here indicates that even after Whales sold the top, that's clear based on this bar right before the green turned red here, Whales are still being very active even on this downtrend. So what is most likely happening is they sold and then bought back in really quickly, and I like the look of that. And of course, doche
coin does have some control over other meme coins. It works a little like Bitcoin, but for memes specifically, where doge tends to go first, and the profits of doge coin redistribute into other meme coins like bonk with shiba Enu and others. So if you're into meme coins, you should be rooting for doge to have a little bit of a rebound here over the next few days or a couple of weeks, and that can very well start another cycle of meme coin excitement.
Gotcha, Yeah, it's interesting. I'm almost I have a personal bias being fully transparent. I'm not a big fan of meme coins. If I see liquidity going to them, I kind of get annoyed.
But now when you say, by the way, and I respect that take. I think a lot of people have very mixed opinions about them and whether they should be part of the crypto ecosystem. But is it is it more so what they offer to crypto or is it, you know, maybe like the volume gets pushed into meme coins when it would be better served to stay in bitcoin. What's your what's your opinion on why meme coins aren't very great? Yeah?
I mean one, as you mentioned the liquidity, it sucks liquidity away from Bitcoin, yeah. And second it takes away some liquidy from the blue chip all coins. I know, ultimately there's some rotation from memes to blue chips, like like your cardon or like your XRP and so forth. Right, But also some of these are like projects that pop up overnight. I'm not putting Goat and ship in there, but you know the ones that pop up on base or Solana and then they go nuts and then you
have all these people promoting it on social media. I find that so annoying because I know what it is and I know the high possibility of a rug that can take place totally.
Yeah, yeah, it really is the perfect example of the short term, more chilly community and where they kind of live. It's through meme coins that don't really have developers, don't really have real life purposes in most cases, not all. But it's kind of a matter of what your approach is to crypto. If you're in it for the long term,
you're probably not the biggest meme coin fan. If you're in it for a quick buck and more of the gamble aspect and very sentiment driven investments that are perpetuated by trading groups that you may or may not be connected to, then meme coins might be more up your alley. But it's regardless of any of our opinions, it's undeniable that they do have an effect on the overall crypto ecosystem and they can't simply be ignored, even if you never want to touch them with a ten foot pool.
Yeah for sure. Well we'll see man, hopefully. Don't get me wrong. And I know some people home meme coins. I'm not saying I don't want you guys to make money who are watching and listening. But you know, hopefully it's not as what we saw earlier this year, where there's a tonnel liquidity, you know, almost front running to market, the means of front running the market a bit. You know, it's more balanced this time around, I guess as we get later into the bowl market totally.
Yeah, it's it's really the predictability that's the hard thing with meme coins. And you know, we don't give investment advice as it is, but if we do, you know, provide insights. The least confidence that we have is usually in the meme coin sector because of the lack of long term development that we see in them that show that they have long term sustainability, which makes them more of a crapshoot. So take that as you will. But what we can say is that the social dominance is
huge right now. It's it's spiked to the highest level of interest in about four months here, and yes, that that is to your point, Tony, at the expense of layer ones and layer twos that are seeing very declining levels of discussion right now. So this is a bit of a warning sign from crypto in general. When you see meme coin discussions get super high, it's usually a reflection of just the overall crypto crowd getting over the euphoric.
So we saw like Bitcoin's positive versus negative comments. This is another way of looking at, you know, the crowd's mood overall, and when it starts going towards speculative assets, it's it's often a caution flag for crypto in general. And I'm even curious, like looking the past just the day. Yeah, so it's calmed down a lot. You can see right here.
This spike here in pink happened maybe twelve hours before the official top for Bitcoin, and it was the highest level of discussion toward meme coins since late May, and late May was also a time when we were getting very close to a top, not quite as perfect as this one, but regardless, I think this is a pretty solid metric. When you just see meme coins rise in discussion, it's never a bad idea to take a little profit to stay safe.
Yeah, absolutely, Brian, great stuff, always insightful. Thank you so much for joining me.
It's been a pleasure, Tony. Always great catching up and we'll do it again in a couple of weeks. The two past, the two pak
