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🚨SEC GARY GENSLER VS CRYPTO : ETHEREUM, RIPPLE XRP, SAB 121

May 08, 202420 min
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In crypto news today SEC Gary Gensler goes on CNBC to spread lies about Crypto after issuing wells notice against Robinhood. Tom Emmer talks repealing SAB 121. Big updates in the SEC Ripple XRP lawsuit.
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Hey, everybody, Welcome into the Thinking Crypto Podcasts. You're home for cryptocurrency news and interviews. On your way in, please sit that subscribe button as well as the thumbs up button and leave a comment below. If you're listening on a podcast platform such as Spotify or Apple, please leave a five star rating and review. Folks, We've got some big news and that is four hundred and thirty eight billion dollar asset manager Susquehanna buys one point three billion dollar

in bitcoin et apps. Folks. The institutions are buying these et apps, and of course it makes it very easy for them to do it. It's coming through trusted brands and names that they know, such as black Rock, Fidelity and so forth. And as the filings with the sec are being revealed in the coming weeks and months, you're going to see who those buyers were of the big, massive run up that we had at the beginning of the year into March where bitcoin hit new all time So that's going to be very

revealing and also very bullish. Right. We've often talked about game theory and that if you know one firm sees the other firm is buying a bunch of bitcoin ets they're going to hop off the fence and start buying as well. So let me give you some details here. In the latest big name transaction around bitcoin, four hundred and thirty eight billion dollar asset manager Susquehanna has revealed

it purchased one point three billion dollars worth of spot Bigcoin ETFs. Today, Susquehanna disclosed its bitcoin etr portfolio in a thirteen f SEC filing spread across multiple ETFs. So this is fascinating. They bought the whole gambit. They bought a little bit of everything, for example, Grayscale, Fidelity, black Rock, Arc, Bitwise, Valkyrie, in Vesco, van k and Wisdom Tree. Interesting strategy and I get it. They don't want to put all their

eggs in one basket. And of course it's probably based on maybe what their clients want. You know, if some clients prefer Fidelity or Vanak or whatever it may be, they're probably going that way out locating accordingly. But folks, it's incredible what we're seeing. And remember the trading houses are not here Morgan, Stanley, Ubs and so forth. James Seifert of Bloomberg and I spoke about this in our interview which I published five days ago, so be

sure to check out that interview. The herd for the Bitcoin ETF buying and trading is not here yet. Yes, I know that seems hard to believe, but they're not here yet. They're in the process of getting themselves set up, and you know it takes time, right, they have to go through compliance and all the checks and all the red tape and so forth.

They'll get there, guys, it's coming. And remember that there's also the educational and awareness campaign that is taking place with the issuers going out to wealth managers and rias. So the diverse set of investments in bitcoin ETFs is an interesting note. However, it only grows optimism in the world's leading cryptocurrency. Nonetheless, Susquehanna International is one of the largest proprietary trading firms in the world.

The firm works in trading essentially all listed financial products and acid classes with a focus on derivatives, and handles millions of transactions on exchanges around the world every day. And of course they're getting involved in crypto. And this is just the tippity iceberg. There's more to come. Very bullish news here now, guys. Scumbag regulator Gary Gens went on squawk Box today to talk about

his same old bullshit talking points. I'm not even going to play the full clip for you, but I'm going to highlight some of the takeaways because I don't even want to hear this guy's voice. He's annoying. He's a clown, like I said, as scumbag regulator, he's been breaking the law.

And I think the timing of the Robin hood Wells Notice news is because Congress is about to repeal the SAB one two one rule, which the US Government Accountability Office found unlawful and it was provided by the who else, the SEC. I'll play the clip of what Tom Emmer had to say about that. But he was interviewed by Andrew Ross Sorkin, and he was of course asked about if he themist and security or not, and all the things that have

been going on now. Andrew didn't really grill him on all the court failures and being sanctioned and so forth, but I wish he did. But you know, usually probably Gary would have walked out right because he's not. He doesn't want to talk about that. He wants to paint the narrative that he wants to so. Paul Griwall, chief legal officer at Coinbase, highlighted the

following of what Gary had to say. I quote, many of these tokens are securities under the law of the land as interpreted by the US Supreme Court, so we followed that law. Paul said, please stop misleading the market. Tokens are not securities, They're pleadings. Notwithstanding your own attorneys have admitted this in the court. So of course the SEC attorneys have said this against

her, and the SEC are even divided among themselves. You know, Hester Purse and Marqui Wada have you know, called out the SEC and their unlawful activities and the way they've been treating the market and the industry. Not to mention their lawyers when put before the judge to answer factual questions, they have to say, well, yeah, these are not securities, right and then, but they try to present it as though it is. So Gary's line

out his teeth here. He's a big time scumbag regulator controlled by Elizabeth Warren, and both of them are controlled by the banking and cumbents who are trying to slow this down. Guys, it's pathetic. Our tax dollars are being used for this type of nonsense. But this is why we got to fight. This is why we got to hold them accountable, tweet out the truth, the facts, call up your representatives, and will continue to protest on

social media and in different ways. It is making an impact because we're seeing a lot of crypto companies are starting to rally together, sue the SEC, fight back, punching back at the bully, and they're lobbying politicians and we're seeing it the impact of pro crypto candidates winning in the election. So big things are coming. We got to keep fighting. Don't get me wrong,

we are in for a fight. Obviously, the SEC issued at Wells notice against Robin Hood, but this is just Gary's silly attempt at trying to make things stick. Here's what William Mugay are if I'm saying that right. He's an author of the business blockchain and token Summoned Producers said Gary Ginsterer told Squawkbox and Andrew Ross Sorkin he would rather not talk about crypto, saying it's a small part of the overall capital markets and doesn't deserve the attention it's getting against.

They're asked where are the financial reports for these crypto tokens. Here's what William said. He doesn't understand crypto clearly, and he's going after the wrong bad guys. He continues being the villain of crypto, not the right cup. So I think a lot of people, even in the mainstream are recognizing this, like you're treating this industry unfairly. You have the most enforcement actions coming against the crypto industry, yet you're saying it's a small part of the

capital markets. Why does it deserve so much attention. It's because you're a clown on puppets strings blocking the industry, and when you lose in court, it's a big deal. You're getting called arbitrary and capricious. You're getting sanctioned by the judges in different cases. So this guy, he's trying to downplay it, but we're not gonna downplay it. We're going to amplify the facts here. Cody Carbone of the Chamber of Digital Commerce says, regarding this video,

how are we feeling us tax payers? Crypto is too small for gangster to discuss publicly, but large enough that the SEC has allocated a huge chunk of its enforcement resources. Feel protected investors, he asked, and we got. Tom Emmer spoke out about the Robinhood Wells notice, saying these Wells notices seem to be Gary Ginster's desperate, last ditch attempts to intimidate and antagonize digital

asset innovators. Now there was a clip of him talking about the House looking to repeal SAB one two one, which is that custody rule which prevents many of the banks from custodying bitcoin and cryptocurrencies. And let me play the clip for you so you can hear directly from Tom Emmer. Chairman Gary Gensler's tenure at the SEC has been characterized by regulatory hypocrisy, inconsistency, and incompetence.

The Securities in Exchange Commissions Staff Accounting Bulletin one twenty one, commonly known as SAB. SAB one twenty one, is just one example of Chairgenstler's egregious attempts to expand the SEC's authority and his clear bias toward the digital asset ecosystem. More than two years ago, the SEC disguised this illegal rule as guidance, circumventing Congress and public input so they could prevent banks from safeguarding consumer owned digital

assets. However, this rule isn't just overreaching and illegal, it violates the SEC's statutory mission. First, SAB one introduces more unnecessary and avoidable concentration risk into the digital asset ecosystem, making our markets less fair, less orderly, and less efficient. Second, it weakens investment protections by barring Americans from using the established banking infrastructure to custody their digital assets, which leaves Americans assets more

vulnerable if a custodian becomes insolvent. And Third, this rule hampers capital formation and global competitiveness, as foreign banks already have the ability to compete in crypto markets while our banks cannot. The sec statutory mission is to protect investors, facilitate capital formation, and maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets. Chairman Gensler is violating all three of this, all three of these with his illegal

SOB one twenty one rule. Later this week, House Republicans, we're going to do our job to provide oversight and accountability to the SEC by passing Congressman Mike Flood's resolution so that this illegal and harmful rule ceases to be in effect. I hope that our colleagues on the other side of the eye. Well, well, join us as we work to ensure the digital asset ecosystem can thrive right here in the United States. And I turn it over to our

leader, Steve Scalees. So there you have it. And this is important because they are in the process of voting. It made it through the first round. It has to go to the Ford for the full repeal, but that will be a big deal. That's another big loss with the SEC because it got called unlawful by the US Government Accountability Office, So this would be a big win. It's another item on the list that Gary Genser has lost out on. Now, the other big issue with the SEC is that they

still have the Ripple lawsuit, which has not been resolved. And of course Ripple took the lion's share of the victory by getting the ruling that XRP intrinsically is not a security and secondary market sales of the asset are not securities. Now, we got some news here that the SEC has filed its Redactive Remedies reply brief and supporting exhibits. So what does this mean. Well, Attorney Jeremy Hogan weighed in and said the Ripple versus SEC briefs are finished, and

I think the SEC went out with a whimper here. It didn't even try to attack ODL sales, which is on demand liquidity, just noting that Ripple was trying to relitigate the issue, which it is, and it brought nothing new on damages, just waiting for the judge now. So I've been on record saying that I believe Ripple will have to pay a small fine here, but the SEC is not going to get what it wants, like two billion

dollars, right, and it's going to be a small victory. But Ripple came away with the lion's share obviously that the asset is not a security and secondary market sales are not securities, which is great for the entire industry, not just Ripple and x ORP, and many of these different token projects and exchanges can use the ruling as case law. And many crypto lawyers in the industry are speaking out there. They're saying things like the SEC is abusing the

Wells process as part of a carpet bombing campaign against crypto. You can say that again, right, this is what it's about. Guys. He's throwing as much as he can against the wall. But he's going to lose, ultimately lose. We are in the then they fight you phase and the elections coming up. Gary's not going to be here for a long time. And the disruptive technology, they can't stop it. You know, they're going to try to slow it down, but it can't stop it. And remember there's

two things happening in parallel here. The crypto startups and small companies are getting sued Coinbase and when I say small, I mean relative to you know, Wall Street firms like Fidelity and black Rock, they're getting sued. The small ones are getting sued. But notice Wall Street's coming in issuing ETFs, filing for ethereum ETF tokenization, custodying funds and reserves for different crypto assets. So clearly two things happening here on this spectrum. How can they both be happening

at the same time. Why isn't black Rock and Fidelities and these guys getting walls notices? Right? Do I do even need to go further and explain that that's the game that's being played here now? I'm in content with Mark Fagel. Many of you know him. He's a former SEC official. He's usually on Twitter talking about crypto and much more, and we're talking about setting up an interview, so I want to give you guys heads up about that. For those of you who know about Mark Fagel, and I want to

get his thoughts. You know, I've interviewed Hester Purs, Joe Grunfest, and SEC official Joe Hall, so it would be great to get Mark's take on what's happening right now because he has been outspoken, and you know, I'll try to have a fair conversation with him because there's certain things I don't agree with him on and there's certain things I do. So we'll see how

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guys, we got some interesting news coming from Standard Chartered Bank. They're saying if Donald Trump was to win the presidential election against Biden, it would be positive for bitcoin and crypto. Trump reelection may cat pulled bitcoin Standard Charter. It says, now, this is highly speculative, but I think there's some truth behind it, but they're you know, taking it to the next level, embellishing a bit too much. But we know Trump has warmed up

to crypto. I think because of Vivek Ramaswami coming on his team telling him about CBDCs and crypto and bitcoin. He's warmed up to it. We know his campaign has issued NFTs Bitcoin ordinals and much more so. He's definitely done a one point eighty on crypto versus when he was president and tweeting out that he's not a fan of it and so forth. The man is now building

on it, right. And Look, he may never come on and say, you know, bigcoin is great and things like that, because that would be an incredible endorsement and very impact on the way the markets may move. So I don't think he will want to do that. But I think actions speak louder than words here where he's using the technology and that's pretty big. And uh, he's talked about accepting bitcoin his payments and so forth for the NFT's and shoes and all that. Once again, this is not an endorsement

of Trump. I try to be neutral here when I report news like this, whether it's about Biden or Trump. But they're not wrong here. They're embellishing a bit, but they're not wrong here. Now, guys, we continue to see massive amounts of capital flowing into the crypto market. And here Bloomberg with Crypto is reporting that crypto startups are putting valuations in the fast lane with an aggressive form of fundraising that reflects the digital asset industries recovery as well

as a desire among venture funds to put money to work. So I think a couple of things. One, the bull markets here, the ETFs have been improved. We are clearly in an uptrend, so more capital is going to come in. Two, I think markets are starting to see the signal or what's down the road where the FED will eventually cut rates, that we have hit the peak of our quantitative tightening cycle. Yes the Fed has not cut yet, but they have paws. And it's better than when you are

in a run up and they keep raising rates. Right. That's where you to be cautious and you're like, when is this thing gonna top out? It's all about the markets anticipating what's gonna come next. And markets are forward looking, as I've often stated to you guys, So they see maybe the next year or so. And I think it's after the election that rates are gonna get cut, which means we're gonna go back to easy money cycle. Right, the cost of capital is going to be cheaper. It's gonna be

back to money printing quantity day of easing. It's not gonna happen overnight. There's a process to it, so the Fed is eventually gonna get there. So markets are front running. In my opinion, I think that when they start cutting next year, we could see a correction for sure, like we have historically. I don't think it happens before the election. Like I said in my newsletter earlier this year. Now I could be wrong, and I think that we could see the blow off top this year, if not early

twenty twenty five. Maybe they don't cut rates, you know, in December after the election, but it comes in Q one, maybe February or March, and then you know, markets started going down. But nevertheless, I think these fund see what's on horizon, cheaper capital as well as the bull market running up. So now's the time to grab some equity, get grab some coins, and that you can exit even later this year on some of

those coins. So I think it makes sense, and Bloomberg and all these different firms are sharing to recognize the vcs waking up and starting to inject more capital into the crypto market. So, folks, that's the news. Let me know what you think. Don't forget to grab a copy of my book, Rethinking Crypto, The Crash of FTX and the Rise of safer Stronger Digital

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