I would say the biggest user of our kiosk is someone who needs the crypto instantly. You know, a lot of these exchanges online have like really large lockups, like probably like three to five days, right, I mean, like it's very very long to get your crypto versus you know, if you need to like go into a mint now or like an NFT minch or whatever it is, or like like a new offering or whatever you need to do.
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you on. Yep, thank you, Tony, thank you so much for having me on, and really appreciate it. So, Daniel, want to learn about coin flip and all the great things you guys are doing. But let's start with your background. Tell us about where you're from and what's your professional background. For sure, I'm from the northern suburbs of Chicago. My parents actually immigrated to the US from the Soviet Union in nineteen ninety one,
so I'm kind of like Soviet American. I guess that's the combination I have. And I've basically been in the Chicago Land area all my life. I have in terms of my professional background, I've never had like any other full time job other than coin flip that like was like for an extended period. But I did a lot of sales stuff. I sold cutco knives, so
that's kind of how I cut my teeth in sales. I've always liked sales because I felt like it was always very like character building, you know, kind of like being told no and just kind of like cut on coming back from being told like you know, it's not going to work out whatever, just kind of developing a thick skin. I did sales for Uber. I did sales for Coca Cola as well, so that's kind of like one part of my professional background. And then I just did a lot of like traditional
finance finance internships in college. I worked at Morgan Stanley, I worked at r j O'Brian, I worked at Citadel. So I guess like what I do now is kind of a combination of like the you know, the sales and entrepreneurship of the Coco Nives, Super Coca Cola, and the traditional finance of like Morgan Stanley, r Joe Brian, Citadel. I feel like they combined together. It's kind of like Bitcoin entrepreneurship because there's a lot of bad
like overlapping shurance. So what was your first encounter with bitcoin and when did it click for you? What was your aha moment? Honestly, the first time I learned about bitcoin, it was when the price was going up a lot in twenty thirteen. And you know what happens when the price goes up is everyone starts to report on it and kind of go crazy. I mean, it wasn't as big back then, but there was still kind of this
like jump. You know, the price was going up to like over a thousand bucks a coin, and people were talking about it, and honestly, I, you know, I didn't really get it at first. I thought that, you know, just whatever, this bitcoin thing, sure like sounds like a bunch of like hype. But I think like my finance and my econ background kind of helped me out to understand it. You know. I kept maybe, I did a little bit more research, and then over time
it like dawned on me. It was kind of like, Okay, Wow, there's this like currency asset. You know, it's not issued by the government, could be sent halfway across the world twenty four to seven for a few dollars. Like compare that to like a bank wire transfer, you know, all on a publicly available fraud proof database and all you had to participate to do to participate was to download an app. So it really was something that was new. I kind of at the time thought of it as like
lightweight gold, and I thought that it was really revolutionary. But it was very kind of difficult to buy crypto and to have the service that I felt like was needed to enter a new industry, which is kind of I guess how the idea for coin flip came to be, And you know, what was the process like starting coin flip, You know, when did it go from you know, I get bigcoin. I understand what's happening here. I want to make it easy for people to be able to access this asset.
How did that idea go to this becoming a company. I think it just kind of stemmed from my experience buying bitcoin back in the day. It was not as easy as I thought, Like the online services really, like even coinbase whatever, it was taking forever to onboard you as a customer. There was no real customer service where you could actually speak to anyone. The crypto wasn't released instantly, and I'm like, there has to be a better way.
You know, people were literally resorting to like meeting in person at Starbucks to get crypto for cash, and it's like that's not scalable, you know, that's not safe. So that's where the idea of kind of the kiosk came into play. It would be a scalable, safe way to get bitcoin. You'd be able to talk to somebody twenty four to seven, and you'd be able to get the crypto before you even got back to your car. So it really was just kind of like a convenient way. And I just
I didn't really know what I was getting myself into. I was just kind of a college student and I'm like, okay, like I think it would be cool to get people to buy bitcoin, you know, put a few kiosks down, kind of just see what happens. And I think I was just at the right place at the right time, you know. I found some amazing teammates, and I think that we really ran with it and caught
lightning in a bottle. But at first, I just kind of thought of it as just a cool experiment to see what would happen and see if I could, you know, do something and push bitcoin forward. Yeah, and I read that you guys have forty five hundred kios across like forty nine US states and as well as countries like Canada, Australia and so forth. So you've really grown the business. Tell us about you know, is it just the ATM business, but do you also have other services as well? We
have other services. Yeah, we are up to almost six thousand kiosks globally now, but that was kind of the first step. Is the kiosk definitely have the cash on ramp, the convenience being able to get crypto instantly. We also launched quin Flip Preferred, which is our OTC desk, and I think that the really cool part about that is we're going to get on the
phone with you regardless of how much. Yeah, I mean there's like some minimum, but you know, even if you're doing like a five ten thousand dollars transaction, like you can get on the phone with one of our representatives and like talk and it's basically twenty four to seven customer support, which is very different than a lot of these other services that won't even pick up the phone and sometimes you know, traditional OTC desks won't even take transactions like under
a million dollars. But you know, I think that we are really here to like make people learn about crypto and get people crypto into people's hands. And we're going to be able to talk to you, you know, even for like a five ten thousand dollars trade, so that's something we're really proud of. We also have a venture arm, so we invest in smaller, you know, blockchain projects, hopefully ones that are going to like you know, take off. And we have our app which allows people to find locations.
It's also a wallet, it allows people to buy and sell crypto. So that's kind of like the four main parts of our business. But yes, of course we're known for the kiosks mostly, oh for sure. So tell us about which crypto assets you support, you know, is it like the top ten, and what's your plans for adding more and so forth. Yeah, I mean we are always looking for new crypto assets to add. I mean it's you know, we want to be very careful with like regulations
and making sure that there's like regulatory clarity before we add new assets. But I mean the biggest assets that we sell our bitcoin, Ethereum, light coin, and dogecoin. Those are still the biggest ones that retail customers buy but we probably have around you know, like ten assets, and on the OTC
desk, we definitely have even more that we support. But I'd say those are the biggest drivers of our business, and I think that the goal is always to add more, especially ones with like really big like community support. I think those always go over well. So I would love to get a little bit more clarity in the US and then hopefully we can list even more assets and have even more happy customers for sure. Yeah, and look at and that's a challenge for not only you, but a ton of other entrepreneurs
right in the US. And we're all waiting for Congress to act and to figure out what the hell is the SEC is going to do to ce FTC and all that. But it seems like we're on the path to it is just slow, you know slow. I mean I think that you know, good things take time, right, That's what I tell myself at least, so walk us through the process. So let's say I'm the average joe, you know, I'm going to the supermarket or something. I see a coin flip kiosk and I'm like, oh, you know what, I want to
grab some bitcoin. I see I heard all these news and I see people investing in it, what's the process for them to do that? We try to make it as simple as possible, you know. That's kind of like one of our big value ads is you go to the Kiosk and to the required info, the QR code will scan. You scan your QR code, immediately insert the cash, and then you receive crypto before you can get back
to your car. So like a lot of these other online exchanges, like they have very long lockups for your crypto, and I think that a big value add of our Kiosk is like you're going to get this crypto immediately, and we just really try to like boil it down to make it as simple as possible, especially for people who are new to the space and they you know, need an easy, quick way to receive a crypto that isn't like
super intimidating. Yeah, so it's that simple. You go, you just do this sign up part, put your cash in BAM and I would say, yeah, less than five minutes. And we also have a way that you can pre register online, Like if you go online, you can actually register and then by the time you get to the Kiosk, you're basically in and out in a few minutes. Now, you you mentioned you guys have
an app and it's a wallet service as well. So is that wallet, you know, like the normal wallet experience where I can if I want to send a family member some of the bitcoin I bought right through through coin FIP, can I do that? Yes? Of course. Yeah, it's a fully functioning crypto wallet. We try to make it as user friendly as possible and also like augment the ATM experience. Mm hmmm. So a question I guess I would have and what users may want to know is, uh,
how are you custoding the assets? Right? Are you using one of the custodians in the market. Tell us a bit about that. Are you talking about for a wallet? Oh? So, I guess I apologize. I should give you some more details. Is it a self custody wallet or are of Now, yes, it's a self custody wallet. We do like everyone kind of encrypto says like, you know, not your keys and not your
coin, and I definitely I guess agree with that to an extent. But I think that, you know, some people want to be in charge of their own security, some people don't, So I think that it's good to give customers options and kind of have you know, a custodial wallet as well, where you trust us with your keys as well. But yeah, now it's a self custodial wallet, so it's it's all on you, you know, make sure that everything is secure, which some people love, some people
don't love, which is why I want to maximize optionality. Yeah, and you know, and we'll talk about about this, Daniel, about the demographics and the people who are buying right through the kiosk. But I think I love the idea that you're going to offer both options because I think about like my mom and dad, right, they want to exposure. But let's say my dad walks in and he buys Bitcoinno in there, I don't think he's going to want a self custody because he's used to the bank custodies all my
money and my other assets. Right, He's like, what the hell is self custody to me? Now I care about self custody and I self custody my assets. Right. But then not everyone is in from the same walk of life. Not everyone understands tech to the same degree, and we're at different ages and different demographics, so some people are going to be like, hey, I want it to just be in a safe place that I know about, right custody For me, I don't want to go through the whole
private key stuff. True. And what I always say is like why either or right, Like, you could have some of your funds in self custody wallets. You can have some of your funds, you know, custody with other people, right, Like, it doesn't have to be like this binary choice, Like you could spread out your funds and maybe that actually lowers your risk because like, yeah, maybe you don't trust coinbase, but like do you trust yourself either, right, Like you know, don't put all your
eggs in one basket. Yeah, absolutely, Now tell us tell me a bit about and if you can, because I know this is a proprietary data on your end, what type of users or I should say, what type of demographic of the people who are using the kiosk are you seeing? And I know that may differ in different regions based on a lot of different demographics that use the kiosk. It's definitely not just one kind of person. I would say the biggest user of our kiosk is someone who needs the crypto instantly.
You know, a lot of these exchanges online have like, you know, really large lockups, like probably like three to five days, right, I mean, like it's very very long to get your crypto versus you know, if you need to go into a mint now or like an NFT mint or whatever it is, or like like a new offering or whatever you need to do. But it's like if you need the crypto in less than three to five days, then basically, you know, a crypto ATM is a
great solution for you. I'd also say that people who use cash obviously were the only cash on ramp. You can't really go to like coinbase or like drop off cash, they won't accept it. So if it's people who use cash for any reason or get paid in cash, maybe people who are a little bit more wary of traditional financial services. You know, they don't want to pay overdraft fees, they don't want to be you know, kind of like dealing with their bank. It's like, oh, can I withdraw my
money? Can I withdraw only this much? You know, they just kind of want to be in control of their own funds and don't want to deal with traditional financial services. And I think just a lot of it is like kind of people who are intimidated, you know, by the lack of support on an online exchange. Sure, and they want to be able to speak to somebody twenty four seven and get the support they need before entering, you
know, such a new industry, you know. And I think that there are just also investors that may trust us more than online exchanges because there is that like personal touch. You can call somebody twenty four to seven, you can get the support you need, and we try to make it like way
less intimidating, you know. Yeah, I think that's a great service ad you know, having that phone number, having someone that they can talk to, because it just goes back to not everyone is at the same level technology wise, trust, right, it just depends on your background, your upbringing and what you've experienced with. And then I also think about and I want
to make sure I frame this right. Look that there are people who don't you know, from a financial inclusivity standpoint, They're not there, right, Maybe they're a lower income or whatever it is, but they're trying to break through. They're trying to uh maybe they're hearing about investing, but they're like, how do I even do that? And that yeah, that exists in different parts of the world, even in the United States, and I've seen it. But having a Kiosk, I don't have to go jump through a
ton of hoops. I don't have to learn to be about credited or this or that or whatever. Just simple, Oh, I have fifty bucks, I'm gonna buy fifty bucks a bitcoin, and I've got an asset that can grow, and then it's that simple for them exactly. And it's like, you know, if you're like if you are lacking investment resources, then you
know, you're purchasing power is kind of being taken by inflation. So it's like if you can get that dollar or whatever into cryptocurrency or something that you can actually invest in, which you could then turn into like you know, financially, like maybe like a tokenized Tesla stock. I mean that's more for
the future whatever. But it's just like, if you can get into the cryptoeconomy and actually invest with your cash, you're going to be able to maintain or even increase your purchasing power versus like if you kept that cash under a mattress something like that. You know, yeah, and I think, you know, there's more education that's needed to help people in the lower income part of the economy to to be able to put their money in assets and let
it grow. Because to your point, some may have the outdated knowledge a well, I need to store all my cash in the bank or under my mattress. But that's not the way. It's a different world, different economy with the basement of currency is going crazy, right, So of course, yeah, there's there's a lot of inflation, and like you know, especially it's a very immigrant mindset as well, you know, like you know, you don't like especially you know, the US is more or less like a
decent place, I think, Kevin, I'm from here. I love it here, but like in other countries, you know, you don't trust the banks. You know, you don't trust the stock market or whatever it is, so you like hoard all your money under the mattress. Right, It's like now like the mindset has shifted, and like especially you know, with more with interest rates being lower or whatever. You know, there's more inflation, and it's just like you need to know how to invest your assets to
hopefully make them grow. Yeah, absolutely, so tell us what's on your twenty twenty four roadmap? For sure, I think just expanding the kiosks internationally more really making this available to people in every single country places. You know, sometimes we're inflation is in the double digits. I think expanding our OTC desk, really offering more services for our high net worth individuals and smaller institutions
as well, continue to make venture investments. I mean, obviously the cycle is probably going to start soon, but really just keep seating the ecosystem and making sure that it grows, and that kind of like coin flip is a part of that. Add features to our app. You know, right now we have a wallet buying and selling, but there can be plenty of other features like staking or lending, or there's a whole bunch of options that we
can offer our people. And I think that really just kind of reinventing the kiosk to maybe even go beyond crypto, Like maybe we could potentially serve as like a gaming on ramp for all cash transactions, or like bill pay or like what I'm really excited about is, you know, if we have enough of these kiosks internationally, then you've kind of created like a global remittance network of just like different hubs, and you can, you know, you can
put cash into an ATM in Chicago and pick it up in Mexico using like crypto as the rails. So that's kind of the stuff that I'm really excited about like working on. Yeah, I mean that there's a lot of possibilities there. You know, if you have, like you said, a network of these kiosks in position in different parts of the world, and then with the app that you have as well, it just opens up a lot of possibilities and people maybe bypassing the Western Union is in the money graph, right,
which take high fees and so forth. Exactly, exactly, yeah, right on the money. Just really trying to reinvent that process and hopefully make it better and faster. Question about regulators, you know, I don't know how this applies to it, like the ATM kiosk business, but obviously exchanges have to do kyc AML. There's a whole bunch of other things as well. I'm assuming the governments are requiring you to do the same thing here.
Yeah, I mean, we've actually been like there's a lot of lack of clarity surrounding like SEC and token issuance, but you know, we don't do we don't issue tokens. We've actually been regulated by Financial Crimes Enforcement Network Finns and under the Treasury since twenty thirteen. You know, they came out and said that if you want to buy and sell crypto, you need to register
as a money services business nationally. We also have a bunch of money transmitter licenses across the country on the state level, so our regulation has actually been more clear. Yeah, we take KYC, you do the mL or do the whole process. And you know, it's been like that for a long time. So I am thankful that at least our part of the industry has a little bit more regulatory clarity and maybe some of the other parts. Sure, yeah, that makes sense. All right. Let's talk about the crypto
market at large. Obviously bitcoin had a massive run up twenty twenty three. Obviously into early part of twenty twenty four, the bigcoin ETFs where the big news, a lot of buying, a lot of inflows, the performance being incredible. We had a bit of a cool down having took place. You know, what are your thoughts on what took place so far and what is
your outlook for the rest of this cycle. I mean, I think it's looking a lot like other cycles, minus the massive effects of you know, the Bitcoin ETF and you know some countries getting involved, Like you know, you run up, there's a kind of like hype going up to the having. People are definitely you know, buying more what I And then as the having actually happens, the having award, it's the reward for mining crypto goes
down in half. That means that a lot of miners are now no longer profitable, right so because they're not profitable, they have to enter bankruptcy, they have to liquidate their holdings. That is obviously a lot of selling pressure. But like once that shakes out, then you have you know, a demand that's relatively stable, supply that is now less. That obviously creates a
jump in the price. Jump in the price creates FOMO amongst you know, retail investors and they jump in and that kind of creates a speculative bubble. I do think it's really different, a little bit different this time around because you have the ETF. I thinkct she wrote about like an opinion piece on
coindesk about this. But you have the ETF that's going to have like reliable inflows and maybe more from you know, financially savvy financial advisors and institutions that are going to have inflows and buy the dip, so maybe like you know, you're not going to have these crazy like boom and bust cycles. People
will be able to catch you at the bottom. And also there's a lot of like sophisticated countries like El Salvador who are buying crypto as well, regardless of the price, and maybe even more when the price goes down, So you're not going to maybe have these like massive boom and bust cycles. But I do think that we are, you know, probably in store for one
last big ride. It's kind of like the last dance of like the infancy of crypto, where you know, the FED is cutting interest rates, the ETF inflows are happening, countries are buying crypto, there's the having and it's kind of like this perfect storm. So I do think we have like one last like big ride up and you know, you see the in coinbases, recent earnings, like the volume still isn't equal to what they did in twenty twenty one. So I think that retail hasn't even really shown up to the
party yet. So I think that there's going to be some nice things in store for us in the next year, and hopefully there's institutions and countries willing to catch us on the way down. Yeah, for sure, I'm going to agree with you. It is certainly going to be I think, less volatility as the asset matures, like you said, more capital coming in, more of the stable buyers, you know, who are buying foot of the longer term for decades out, you know, possibly like countries and so forth.
Do you see potentially, you know, central banks holding bigcoin in their balance sheet let's say ten years from now, one hundred percent? I think that, you know, it's kind of like game theory, right, It's like one country starts doing it, and then another country doesn't want to be left behind, so they start doing you know, that drives up the price.
That basically creates more that makes bitcoin more of like an acceptable asset nationwide, kind of like a global reserve asset, and then other nations pop on, which further increases the price and increases the stability. And then it kind of is like this you know, perfect storm, where eventually a lot of central banks, probably all of them to an extent, will have some crypto on their boundary just like they probably all hold gold on their bound sheet and
that's going to be you know, it's going to be amazing. Yeah. Absolutely. Now a big theme this cycle has been like tokenization, and you got Rock tokenizing going to Ethereum and other players as well, like Cranklin Templeton. What are your thoughts on this? You know, Larry Fink said it's the future of finance, and you know you mentioned reference earlier tokenization of like a Tesla stock. So are you guys looking at you know, when this
is ready to go integrating into your service? Yeah, of course. I think there's nothing cooler than letting somebody in a country with an unstable stock market and where interest is or inflation rather it is like ten fifteen, twenty percent plus invest in stable assets. And it's actually an amazing, amazing opportunity for the United States to continue its dominance because now, if you know, right now, maybe these people are resorting to real estate in the country, or
I don't know, s hoarding cash under a mattress. Like imagine, Now these people in these countries can invest in a stock that's like a US company, like a Tesla TOKENI stock or whatever a coinbased token is stock or a Google token is stock a mortgage that's in the US. It's like, now
there's even more demand for US assets and it's even more globalized. And I think that this gives people with you know, lower income and different countries where you know, there is an unstable market an option to grow their wealth. And it also creates massive demand for US assets. So I'm pretty bullish. Yeah, I'm excited for that and just the possibilities that it opens up secondary
markets and all these things. I touch a bit on it earlier, but I would love to get your thoughts on crypto regulations and everything that's been going on. You know, what's your outlook. Do you think we see something by twenty twenty five. There's a couple of bills in the House, a couple of bills in the Senate. It seems like they want to get stable coin regulation now the door as soon as possible. What are your thoughts.
I would hope, so, I would really hope. So I think that regulatory like again, like these tokenized assets are a massive opportunity for the United States to get even more ahead than it is now. I think that with regulatory clarity, you're going to make sure that people innovate crypto in the United States versus offshore, and I think that it's already kind of been. The lack of clarity has been causing some people to go offshore, and I really
do not want to see that continue to happen. So I like, I'm not sure. I would hope that like by twenty five twenty six, it'll be pretty good. And it'll probably depend on the elections as well, but I think that the sooner we can get regulatory clarity, the better. I think that that's going to be a massive, massive win for the US, and I really hope that they hurry up. Yeah, for sure. You
know, Daniel, I've got to ask you earlier about this. So let's say, within quein flips app let's say I buy some ethereum, do you offer staking for proof of steak tokens? Not currently, but it definitely is on the roadmap for sure. I think that's that's a no brainer for sure. Yeah, And I think that's a great way for people to earn passive income, you know, kind of a long the theme what we've been talking
about. So if you buy a couple hundred bucks of eth and you can stake some of it or whatever through like a larger pool and earn that passive income. That's really great for a lot of people. Agreed. Awesome. So I also want to get your thoughts on central bank digital currency. So governments taking the blockchain, tokenizing their currencies on it. People are seeing the pros, but also there's a lot of cons and potential worries of abuse of
that power. But what are your thoughts on that? Sure? I mean, I'm a little bit of a bigger fan of decentralized stable coins because I think they offer competition and kind of allow people to use the stable coins they like best. CBDC central bank digital currency it's a bit scary for me because it kind of allows the government to, you know, have a lot of oversight over people's transactions. And I think that, you know, I think that right now our government, honestly, a lot of people are like our
government's crazier, government's a tyranny whatever. I think that as far as international governments go, our government's actually probably one of the better ones. But you know, power unchecked probably creates more opportunity for tyranny, and I think there needs to be systems in place for governments to be held accountable, which is a kind of like what our country was founded on. So central bank digital
currencies, you know, they definitely worry me a bit. I think that it's very important for consumers to have options and go where they want best, you know, whether it's a stable or crypto or fiat or cash or whatever it is, like, you know, just forcing everyone in down one path, I don't I don't know if that's the best way to do this, you know, mm hmm, yeah, I definitely agree with you of that. Got some wrap up questions there for you. The first is if you
could create your own metaverse, what would the theme be. I feel like I'm a big tennis player, so I feel like it would be like Wimbledon Village, but not just like I saw it Wimbledon and IMAX in twenty eleven though in three D the final of Wimbledon. I don't know why they did
that, but they didn't. It was really cool. But I think like taking it a step further, like what if you could see like Wimbledon Village from the perspective of a player or a coach, you know what I'm saying, Like if you could kind of like be a fly on the wall for
like their preparation and like what they're doing. Like, I think that's something that would be so cool, so new, Like not only are you you're not just a fan now you're literally like seeing all the preparation that goes into like a player actually like preparing for their mas and like the emotions that they faced along the way. And I think that would be pretty sick. Yeah, agreed, And not only just tennis, but like other sports other activities.
Will you have that incredible POV that we've never but it's immersive, right, it's not like two D or whatever, but it's like fully immersive. I can do a three six D and like you said, just get a great POV on what's happening, how things go, and that would be incredible. You could see a player's conversation with their coach, you know, you could see like what happens after they lose a match, like you could like experience sports like and a lot of other events like never before, you know,
absolutely rapid fire questions versus favorite food. Okay this is really basic, but I'm a big foodie, but I will say that the cheeseburger wins and favorite drink is Coca Cola, Like just all American. Very basic. Favorite musician or bad Travis Scott favorite movie also very basic, Shawshank Redemption. It's a great, great one, of course. Yeah, it's classic. A favorite book. God, I'm just coming off as the most basic person on earth, but I love the classics like for fun, I really love the
Harry Potter series for more education. I like Sapiens and Lord of the Flies. I'm man I. Lord of Flies had a big impact on me as a kid, and it has become one of my favorite books. I remember watching the movie as well, so that's on my list too. When you're not working a coin flip, what are you doing for fun? I'm actually very eclectic. I have a ton of hobbies. I love investing in new projects, always starting something new. I love playing tennis. I do martial
arts. I lift weights. I host events and bring people together. That's something I like to do. Love to crack jokes. I'm somewhat of a biohacker, you know. I like just kind of like pushing the line and seeing, you know, how I can always optimize my physical performance and longevity. I'm a big foodie, even though I said my favorite food is cheeseburgers
in Coca Cola. It does go a little bit farther than that. I love restaurants, Love researching history and politics, Love practicing languages Russian and Spanish, Like getting back to Chicago and people around me, giving to charities around Chicago. So I have a lot of interests and very little time to pursue them. So that's kind of one of my big deltments in life. Daniel, great stuff man. Pleasure chatting with you and excited for the future.
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