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Things Musicians Don't Talk About

Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toalshows.acast.com
Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.

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Episodes

38. Rakhi Singh: a new path

Today we are thrilled to release our conversation with violinist and co-founder of the Manchester Collective, Rakhi Singh. Speaking with Rakhi was so joyful and restorative. We discuss her life within the Manchester Collective, how they continue to push boundaries and what ‘daring collaborations’ mean. We go on to talk about chamber music and the ways in which we can feel restricted in the definition we have created within classical music. Rakhi suggests a more integrative and whole approach to ...

Apr 07, 20221 hr 4 min

37. Cara Houghton, CUKSN and Burnout

Hattie and Rebecca are joined by the chair of the Conservatoires UK Student Network, Cara Houghton to speak about their Burnout Campaign in collaboration with Healthy Conservatoires, starting this week from 21-26 March. Rebecca and Hattie go on to discuss their own experiences of burnout, the difference between mental illness and burnout and Hattie’s experience living in a convent to get away from musical life! They also go on to speak about Rebecca’s experience with running and leaving running ...

Mar 21, 202256 min

36. Jocelyn Lightfoot: identity and grief

Wow, what a conversation we had with Jocelyn. We discuss the London Chamber Orchestra's recent-ish decision to drop their dress code, but before we get into that we talk about her life before being appointed the Managing Director of LCO, and now the CEO of Three Worlds Group. Freelance life is a struggle at the best of times, and we are so so grateful to Jocelyn for speaking so powerfully about her experiences and thoughts on the subject. This felt like such an important and energising conversat...

Mar 18, 20221 hr 19 min

35. The One Where They Actually Record Everyone in the Same Room

This episode, Hattie and Becca are joined by BOP* Stuart Beard. They chat (unsurprisingly) about life as a freelance musician, Hattie’s big move to London, the Sunk Cost Fallacy, turning opportunities down and general other chatty topics. Listen wherever you usually get your podcasts, and if you can, please leave us a review and subscribe! *(Boyfriend of the Pod) Transcript of this episode Follow us on Instagram! And Twitter Our website Buy our stickers (What Would Yuja Wear) Or buy us a coffee!...

Feb 23, 202246 min

34. Frances Wilson, The Cross-Eyed Pianist

Frances Wilson, publicist and writer/blogger extraordinaire talks to Hattie and Rebecca about her blog and other work, her love of live music, lack of creative motivation in lockdown, and what it's like to get to know the artists behind the music. She is most famed for her wonderful blog, The Cross-Eyed Pianist , and her popular series of written interviews, Meet the Artist, that is about to turn 10 years old! We are incredibly grateful to Frances for her time and her wisdom. p.s apologies for t...

Feb 11, 20221 hr 3 min

33. Ollie West: depression, anxiety and suicidal ideation

Ollie West is an incredibly talented singer-songwriter, as well as being an avid appreciator of classical music. We speak about his experience with anxiety surrounding traditional music education and about the differences between studying within popular music and classical music. Ollie shares his experiences with anxiety, depression and binge eating disorder. During the pandemic, Ollie's mental health reached crisis point as he began to deal with panic attacks and suicidal thoughts. It can feel ...

Jan 18, 202252 min

32. December chats - medication, rejections and whether art is a way of life

TMDTA hosts Rebecca Toal and Hattie Butterworth discuss their experiences taking psychiatric medication following Dr Alex George's PostYourPill campaign. They talk about the stigma and image around being someone with a mental illness within the classical music world and how important campaigns like this are for normalising people's experiences. They also talk over the Royal Opera House's recent merchandise, featuring Margot Fonteyn's statement of the all-consuming nature of art as a way of life....

Dec 16, 202149 min

31. Anil Umer, live at the Royal Academy of Music

During our Musicians' Injury Awareness Week, we interviewed Soft Tissue Therapist and Injury Rehabilitation specialist, Anil Umer about his experience of injury, as someone who has both suffered from one personally and treated others. We thank Anil for his openness and his wisdom! Anil is a freelance cellist, Injury Rehabilitation Specialist and Soft Tissue Therapist. He works both privately and in clinic, and has treated professional musicians, dancers and Olympic athletes. Having had to tempor...

Dec 08, 202141 min

30. Bob Hughes (in full)

Last week was our Musicians' Injury Awareness Week and we were absolutely blown away by all the support and love we received before, during and after it. Included in the week was Becca's interview with the lovely Bob Hughes about his journey will Focal Dystonia. Bob said so many amazing things that couldn't be squeezed into just a 20 minute mini-episode, so we're releasing the whole interview today! Thank you Bob! Born in Wales, Bob studied the Bass trombone from 1976 at the RAM with Harold Nash...

Nov 27, 202155 min

MIAW 2021 - Angela McCuiston

Welcome to the final episode in the Musicians' Injury Awareness Week monologue series! It's been the most amazing week of discussion, connection and creativity. We are excited to commit to supporting musicians suffering with injury far beyond this week. Flutist and musicians personal trainer Angela McCuiston speaks to us about her journey with an injury, leading her to further research, study and to launching her business, Music Strong , supporting musicians with rehabilitation and prevention th...

Nov 21, 202117 minSeason 3Ep. 7

MIAW 2021 - Murphy Robertson

It's the inaugural Musicians' Injury Awareness Week, and today's injury story comes from Murphy Robertson. Murphy was studying saxophone at Guildhall School of Music and Drama when she started experiencing chronic pain in her jaw. She talks to us about what happened, and where she went from there. Share your injury stories using the hashtag #MIAW2021 and tag us! The more discussion, the merrier. Follow Murphy on: https://www.instagram.com/rc_alice_/ (@rcalice) Follow us on Instagram: https://www...

Nov 20, 202113 minSeason 3Ep. 6

MIAW 2021 - Songeun Choi

Songeun Choi talks about her experience with injury from her time at school onwards and how it's affected her ability to play, practise and fulfil commitments. Thank you for your openness and honesty Songeun! Songeun Choi is a soloist and enthusiastic chamber musician. A graduate of the Royal Academy of Music, she studied with William Fong and Diana Ketler. During her studies ,she was supported by scholarships and was awarded DipRAM and the Dorothy Bryant Award. She has performed in venues inclu...

Nov 19, 202120 minSeason 3Ep. 5

MIAW 2021 - Bob Hughes

It's the inaugural Musicians' Injury Awareness Week, and today's injury story comes from Bob Hughes. A sufferer of focal dystonia, Bob shares with us what it was like to go through such an experience whilst still working and teaching. He talks about the difficulty in trying to find out what exactly was wrong, his trips to see various dystonia specialists, and the support he received from those around him. Born in Wales, Bob studied the Bass trombone from 1976 at the RAM with Harold Nash and was ...

Nov 18, 202120 minSeason 3Ep. 4

MIAW 2021 - Sophia Kannathasan

Today Sophia Kannathasan tells us about her playing injury, which was diagnosed as golfers elbow. She takes us through the process of grieving playing violin, readjusting her priorities and healing with time, increasing playing incrementally. She also speaks about the rewards of mental practice and score study, both of which still form a part of her violin work. Adamant about giving an honest account of being an up-and-coming musician, Sophia has reached people all over the world through her Ins...

Nov 17, 202111 minSeason 3Ep. 3

MIAW 2021 - Peter Regan

Day 2 of the first Musicians' Injury Awareness Week brings us Peter Regan's story. Peter recently graduated from the Royal College of Music and this summer founded Fulham Fest with two friends. In his last year of study, he developed an injury in his hands, affecting not only his playing but also his mental well-being. Luckily, the pandemic seemed to come at just the right time for Peter as it meant that he could take things a little easier and pace his practice to suit him and his injury. Like ...

Nov 16, 202118 minSeason 3Ep. 2

MIAW 2021 - Francesca Leo

Flutist Francesca Leo takes us through her journey of long-term injury, somatic education practices and the process of setting up Playing Without Pain As both flutist and entrepreneur, Francesca has used her own injury experience to connect injured musicians to resources and advice they may need. Share your injury stories using the hashtag #MIAW2021 and tag us! The more discussion, the merrier. Click here for transcript Follow Francesca on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/playingwithoutpain/...

Nov 15, 202120 minSeason 3Ep. 1

29. Clare Hammond: the terror of post-natal depression

Welcome back! Today Hattie and Rebecca speak with concert pianist Clare Hammond about her experience with generalised anxiety disorder, post-natal depression and how these experiences have lead Clare to performances in schools and prisons. They speak about managing a mental illness as a musician, how it might feel to inhabit a prolonged period of darkness, how and whether to communicate struggle with audiences and Clare's work within prisons. Find Clare's article for Classical Music UK about mus...

Oct 18, 202153 min

28. Ellie Consta: conforming no more

This time on Things Musicians Don't Talk About, we meet Ellie Consta, the founder of Her Ensemble. We talk about the struggles of lockdown, life as a musician, and her growing discomfort with the classical music world as it stands today. These issues together lead her to set up Her Ensemble, the UK's first women and non-binary orchestra, which is taking the classical music scene by storm. Thank you to Ellie for all of the incredibly important work that she is doing, and for speaking to us so hon...

Sep 27, 202146 min

27. Laura van der Heijden: anxiety on stage

In today's episode Hattie speaks with the renowned cellist Laura van Der Heijden. Laura won the BBC Young Musician of the Year Award in 2012 at the age of 15 and since then has gone on to establish herself as a concerto soloist and chamber musician in high demand. In the episode Laura and I speak about her ongoing struggles with performance anxiety and how debilitating the experience of performing can feel. We also speak about the pressures around winning such a prestigious competition and how L...

Sep 09, 202152 min

26. Lauren McQuistin: addiction, opera and sobriety

This time, Rebecca takes her turn as interviewer. She speaks to the exceptional Lauren McQuistin about her journey through alcoholism and into recovery, and how it has impacted her musical and personal life. Alcohol is such a mainstay of the music industry, classical and otherwise, and Lauren speaks with such honesty and eloquence on this historically taboo subject. The line between what can be seemingly 'harmless' social drinking and potentially devastating alcoholism is extremely fine, and hea...

Aug 18, 202151 min

25. Melissa Brown: the long haul of OCD

Hattie speaks with trombonist and fellow podcaster, Melissa Brown about her OCD diagnosis and the impact it has had on Melissa both personally and professionally. We speak about suffering during music college, the reality of living every minute of the day with intense anxiety and how to find the right therapy for OCD. Melissa speaks so mindfully and with so much professionalism, whilst still having a real desire to connect and be vulnerable. I really felt at home and supported through this conve...

Aug 04, 20211 hr 10 min

24. Sexuality and relevance in classical music

Trigger warning: discussions around specific homophobic comments Explicit language is used. Today we are speaking about recent backlash and online homophobia beneath three posts on Classic FM's social media to celebrate pride month and support the LGBTQ+ community. We were shocked and saddened to imagine musicians still enduring an environment where to be yourself is to be attacked, even in 2021. The truth remains that to be different or to bring visibility into your music making, in order to en...

Jul 13, 202132 min

23. How are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

CW: Suicidal thoughts I sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts! We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future. I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board! Hattie xx Find us: https://thingsmusiciansdontt...

Jun 29, 20211 hr 5 min

22. Raye Harvey

Today is all things Chineke! , Steiner education, mental health and branching out of classical music into other projects/genres! Hattie chats to violinist Raye Harvey about her life and education. Delving into the subtle ways in which subtle racial discrimination has been transformed by the work of the Chineke! Orchestra, Raye talks about becoming involved with Europe's majority-Black and ethnically diverse orchestra and how transformational that has been. Raye speaks openly about her mental hea...

Jun 20, 20211 hr 7 min

Mental Health Walk 5- Making decisions in instability, degree endlessness

I am so sad that it’s the final day of walks, but today I am escaping the rain inside! I answer some of your questions about making decisions when you’re feeling unstable, the stigma of moving back in with your parents and what to do when things feel endless. Thank you so much everyone who has tuned in this week and made it so special. Also to my Instagram Live guests, Rebecca and Abi for their vulnerability and openness. Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdont...

May 14, 202114 min

Mental Health Walk 4- Vulnerability hangovers and the news

Thank you for joining me for another walk!! Today I am talking about my vulnerability hangover and how the news affects our mental health (and why it’s ok to delete it) Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com TMDTA Twitter Facebook Instagram If you would like to support our work, why not buy us a Kofi ? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....

May 13, 202111 min

Mental Health Walk 3- Power abuse, my story

Today I am talking about power abuse in light of being sent this article , written by David-Emil Wickstroem called 'Dealing with (institutionalised) forms of power abuse'. Power abuse can lead to mental health problems and is a big issue within our profession that needs addressing. Today I am sharing my experience with power abuse and hope it helps you to feel less alone if it's something that you've also dealt with, or are dealing with currently. Looking forward to seeing you all this evening f...

May 12, 202119 min

Mental Health Walk 2- Why I hate mindfulness and why I don’t hate being self-compassionate

Morning! Today was a struggle to wake up but we did. I am walking and talking about the difficulties of mindfulness, why screen time isn’t always a bad thing, letting go of labels and thinking about humility. Hope this week is going well for you so far! Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com TMDTA Twitter Facebook Instagram If you would like to support our work, why not buy us a Kofi ? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information....

May 11, 202114 min

Mental Health Walk 1- Where I'm at, disordered practice, self destruction

Welcome to the first of five walks to raise awareness this Mental Health Awareness Week! Today I am out in rural Oxfordshire talking about how the current situation is impacting our mental health, my fears for the future, how I have overcome disordered work and practice and the similarities between restrictive eating disorders and practice obsession. Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com TMDTA Twitter Facebook Instagram If you would like to suppo...

May 10, 202115 min

20. Channa Malkin

Today I am talking to the wonderful soprano Channa Malkin about her upcoming CD launch, inspired by the issues, stigmas and graces of motherhood. We talk about Channa’s journey to becoming a mother and the misconceptions many performers have about motherhood and working alongside it. Channa's headshot is by photographer Brendon Heinst ‍ While growing up in a family of classical musicians, soprano Channa Malkin initially enjoyed other creative outlets such as painting and writing. Music was alway...

May 04, 202153 min
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