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How Free Energy Constructs Our Reality | Michael Levin and Karl Friston
Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal
Feb 14, 2025
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Curt Jaimungal is joined by Michael Levin and Karl Friston. This conversation incorporates insights from physics and information theory, particularly regarding self-organization and the significance of entropy and free energy. As a listener of TOE you can get a special 20% off discount to The Economist and all it has to offer! Visit
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Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 3:43 The Free Energy Principle Explained 5:41 Creativity and Adaptive Utilization 11:56 In-Painting vs. Out-Painting 15:33 The Unreliable Medium of Biology 20:05 Aging: Noise or Psychological? 25:25 The Nature of Selfhood 45:10 Distinctions in Organic and Psychological Disease 48:54 Goal-Directed Systems and Aging 52:32 The Dynamics of Life and Death 55:49 Continuous Self in a Changing Form 1:01:35 The Constructive Nature of Science 1:08:02 Inferring Actions and Counterfactuals 1:11:40 Closing Thoughts and Future Conversations Links Mentioned: - Michael’s website:
https://thoughtforms.life/
- Karl’s publications:
https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/
- Michael’s previous appearance on TOE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLhkm6QUgA
- Karl’s previous appearance on TOE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk4NZorRjCo
- Michael on Anthrobots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6GIzNM0aM
- Michael’s paper on stress sharing as cognitive glue for collective intelligences:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X2400932X?ref=pdf_download&fr=RR-2&rr=911840d57c51eace
- Karl and Michael with Chris Fields on TOE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6eJ44Jq_pw
- Karl Friston on the ‘Free Energy Principle’ on TOE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7LBABwZKA
- Michael’s recent paper with Chris Fields:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064525000089?dgcid=coauthor
- Top-down models in biology (paper):
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rsif.2016.0555
Geoffrey Hinton on TOE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_DUft-BdIE
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