¶ Young Justice and Teen Titans Review
what's good nerds ? It's jet black extreme and we're back at it again with another episode of the zone podcast . Today we're gonna do something a little different now .
You're familiar with cali , high cash and our resident therapists in the zone and you remember how we were doing teen titans a while ago and we concluded with that and we're thinking , like you know what . I kind of want to talk about young justice . But let me be honest with you .
Diving back into with young justice got me having mixed feelings to where season one I liked it , but after that I felt like the quality went a little downhill .
For me , uh , this is mainly going to be a character analysis of the of the both seasons , both um series , because that's my main gripe with young justice and I want to talk about how the way teen titans was carried out . They did it in a way to where that less was more like I'm .
I'm gonna dive into it more , but essentially it's gonna be more so a young justice review . But let's be honest , it probably can't be helped that we're probably gonna talk about teen times a little bit too . So , without further ado , let's go ahead and zone in on it . Callie , uh , how did you feel about Yee on Justice as a whole .
Well , I've always had really strong feelings about DC animated series . I've even talked about it with my husband before . That I've always enjoyed .
I think DC does a great job on animated stuff , like I've watched through it every single one of the um like HBO , all of the DC cinematic , not cinematic universe , all of the um animated universe stuff where it's doing all the Batman , superman , the flashpoint paradox , that sort of thing . And I think Marvel does a better job at um , at live action stuff .
So when I saw young justice start to come out or like debut on cartoon network all those years ago , I was really excited for it and you got all of your core heroes . Of course robin's in there . We actually get to see aqua lab , which is called her on um . You see kid flash . We eventually have um super boy , connor kent , come and join us .
And then we get two girls , we get um miss martian and we get artemis , and so those are the core six that we start out with . They're , of course , since it's young justice , they all start with their teenagers and stuff like that . I think the youngest was was Robin , because at one point he did become the leader .
And they're like why does Robin get to be the leader . He's the youngest one out of all of us . I think he was like 13 or 14 . And , of course , since they're kind of like teenagers , I think the oldest may have been Aqualad at maybe about 18 years old . So there's a pretty good five or six year gap between each one of them .
If I was Robin to be perfectly honest with you , callie I would have been like uh , excuse you , I've been crime fighting before you even got your powers . I'm the son of Batman .
Exactly .
I mean this is Dick Grayson , he's the original Robin , so he's been dealing with everything since I mean this is Dick Grayson , he's the original Robin , so he's been dealing with everything since I mean he's been part of the crime , fighting or having to deal with trauma , I guess I should say from a young age , because I mean his parents were killed when they
were part of the Flying Graysons and I mean that's how he became kind of adopted and became a ward for batman . But anyway , um so yeah , young justice has a really special place in my heart .
I mean they did like the first two seasons and I think it ended up finishing up with I mean spoiler alert kid flash , I think , dies at the end of the second season because it's invasion and he has . He literally like disappears into thin air .
And so , as time goes on , we're kind of growing up with the cartoon characters , because once they decided to , once hbo picks , picked up the series that's when we start getting into nightwing .
There's the new , newest generation of um kiddos joining the young Justice team or the team or the outsiders , with Beast Boy being the leader , that sort of thing that was uh .
I want to say you know what I kind of like that move right there to where , like Beast Boy leading a team , huh yeah , I mean it was a little bit rocky at first .
I mean well , I should say when he first started to get into the thick of it , because I mean , if I , if I remember correctly , I mean when he was really starting to become the leader . That's when everything happened , with um McGann and Connor trying to get married on Mars and they thought that Connor had died .
And so poor Garfield Logan , poor Beast Boy , went into a deep depression , which I thought was it was really heartbreaking . But they did a very , very good job of kind of exemplifying what depression can look like , at least for one specific person , because depression can present in different ways in different people .
Some people eat too much , some people don't eat a lot , some people don't sleep , some people sleep the entire day , that sort of thing . And I mean , as far as Beast Boy , he lost interest in being a crime fighter . He just kind of stayed in his room , he was becoming very irritable . At one point , I think , his girlfriend Perdita broke up with him .
The Queen I can't remember what the name of the country is , but the Queen they broke up because he just wasn't into having a relationship with her anymore , because he was so depressed At one point he was taking sleeping pills . So that I feel like , for as far as like a , I guess , a kid show , I would probably say more like a .
I don't know what the rating is on the show . I know it's probably not 14 , so it's probably at least y7 , so it's probably at least seven years old uh , excuse me , kids , seven years of age and then older .
But I feel like they did a really good job of showing like different things that have happened to people , especially exemplifying mental illness , like depression and grief , especially with McGann trying to deal with it . Everybody was dealing with grief in their own way , especially when Kid Flash died as well . Some people took a step back as well .
Artemis took a step back because she and she and Wally were involved , that sort of thing . So I actually have a really big soft spot for Young Justice and how they kind of handle the characters . Some things I think still could have been fleshed out a little bit more for a few of the characters , but they do .
They try to do a solid job of like having their own like focus episodes , I mean towards , towards the end , I think in the fourth season of what's it phantoms , they kind of like that first part with um , connor and mcgann , and then they each kind of have like their own little arc , like okay , here's something with zatanna , here's something with um with rocket ,
here's something with m McGann , here's the team at the end trying to bring Connor back and finally get married , that sort of thing . So they I think they approached it giving like character focused , character focused episodes really well at the end . I don't know if they're ever going to try to renew it for a fifth season .
That'd be pretty cool , but I feel like they've ended on a pretty good note already . But the first and second , renew it for a fifth season , that'd be pretty cool , but I feel like they've ended on a pretty good note already . But the first and second seasons did take some time . But a lot of that was more action . It was less character exposition and more .
Okay , we're dealing with what was it ? Who are they fighting against in the first and second season ? I just re-watched it .
I know it was like they called themselves the Light . It was like a whole Rose Gallery of people . That's right , With Vandal Savage and all of them .
That's right , that's right , but that's just kind of like my brief overview of the series of Young Justice as a whole .
Okay .
Okay .
Yeah , like see . Overview of the , the series of young justice as a whole . Okay , okay , yeah , like see , that's the thing . Like I did , like young justice , I just hated the way it seemed like they had something going on with the characters , like you said , and I want to say the concepts that they were having .
To where , yes , beast Boy was Distraught when Super Boy was killed Well , supposedly killed , he actually Was in the phantom zone , which , by the way , I was kind of laughing at Just a little bit , because just imagine this to where , okay , season four was phantoms and it's like essentially Everybody was dealing with Some their past , you know , like ghosts , know that
kind of symbolism going on . But if they , I swear to God , if they titled this season Young Justice Ghost and then they were like , okay , superboy is not really dead , he's in the Go zone .
Nah , they had to do the phantom zone Because of what does this mean ? Zod , there you go .
Also , I don't know , I don't know how to feel about they kind of uh re-swap zod , which where I'm so used to him being a white guy , the fact that you know , with aqualad I'm like okay with aqualad , I gave that a pass because nobody really think of aqualad that much , except for in young justice , where that's how Aqualad as a character kind of like uh ,
stuck for me in a mental capacity . Um , but with Zod , you know Zod , and I'm like he's a black guy now . I mean , I'm not mad at it , but just huh , that's how it is .
Yeah , I was surprised , I was like huh .
Okay , you know , surprised . I was like huh , okay , you know , okay , but um , where were we ? Uh , oh yeah , I was saying that beast boy was so depressed that he was just napping on everyone , um
¶ Character Development and Villain Focus
there . And then the one thing I didn't like about on the whole thing with beast boy being depressed about Superboy is that when Superboy does come back , you don't see a scene to where Beast Boy is glad to see Superboy is actually alive . It's just more like you had something going there but you didn't give us the payoff that we were looking for .
That's the thing is where you will set something up to where , like with Miss Martian , her whole thing being a white Martian and everything , like she was hiding that secret .
She was even getting kind of dark , like between season two , season three it was like she was getting kind of dark in the head , but then it was like she was getting a little better in season three and then she kind of fall back in on season four just a little bit , fall back in on season four just a little bit .
And , by the way , I also found it kind of strange , um , with the change with , uh , megan to where it was like originally she had the green skin , the orange eyes , the orange hair , and that's fine , whatever . And then she had the haircut in season two . That's fine too .
But then , uh , the part where she now was rocking the white skin with the black eyes , with the orange irises , it's almost like , yeah , she's still a good guy , but it's almost like um , the lines are kind of blurred to where it's almost like um , I don't know , I just can't help but think that , um , sometimes with particular look , you're just thinking she has
a little villainous element in there . I don't know .
I don't know what it was , but it's almost like with the design , it's almost like intentionally to where she might still struggle with her white Martian nature and you know , like she's still kind of afraid that she's gonna use her power to truly hurt people , even though a bunch of times she was like eavesdropping on her own teammates using her tele , um , not
telekinesis , telepathy , um , and a whole bunch of other shit , and to a point where like okay , uh , there's like this little struggle there , uh , whole point being is that the main reason why I brought you on here , callie , is that I want to say technically twice but the second time was just with beast boy , but there was the therapy episode to where the team
and that's the funny part too , they were trying so hard to not be , uh , the team titans that first of all , the whole show is called young justice and second of all , the team is called the team .
so it's almost like we know this is the team titans , but you just don't want to say it yeah but , um , my point being is that black canary was being like a therapist for the team to figure out where their heads at , what's going on with them , and everybody had their own shit going on to where , uh , robin feels like , um , he is trying to live up to this
expectation of leadership . Aqualab feels like , eh , I don't really feel like I'm um , this leadership , um business isn't really for me , but then again I don't think that I should give it to robin right away .
And then you have super boy with his issues , uh , miss marshall with her issues , kid flash with her issues , artemis with their issues they , they all got issues and I kind of like that to where it's like they feel like characters .
I just really wish that they would focus more on those issues like when the uh , you know like strike while the iron's hot to where . Don't make it so disjointed to where we know that they're going through something kind of like with the whole episode .
Uh , megan going to see her childhood hero and , um , you find out that bombshell to where uh turns out she might have this secret that she's hiding from everybody else and queen b was um blackmailing her and shit kind of like .
Focus that on that a little bit more , instead of like spacing out to a point to where we'll probably get some more payoff on that later on , or maybe not , but that's the problem . It's like you got something there but then you don't commit to it . That's the main problem for me , other than other than that .
I kind of like it , but then you don't commit to it . That's the main problem for me , other than other than that , I kind of like it . But I also don't like how same thing with the villains . They throw so many fucking villains at us , but they don't give us enough time to actually feel something for those villains , unless you are already a comic book fan .
So , in other words , I would say that I wouldn't recommend young justice to someone brand new to comic book um culture .
¶ Therapy Episode and Team Dynamics
I would recommend young justice to people who already , uh , seen shit like the justice league back in the day , or they already seen teen titans or static shock or whatnot .
If you're already in the know , then , yes , you can go ahead and give young justice a chance , because chances are you already know about these characters , so you don't really these characters , so you don't really need to know . Uh , you don't really need to be taught what these characters are about because you already read the comics and whatnot .
But my , my whole thing is is like with Teen Titans . Teen Titans to where they focus on five people .
Um , they did introduce Terra , of course , but point point being that for a while they focused on the main five and at least you feel something for those characters with their centric episodes , like whether it was robin with his obsession with slave , whether it was cyborgs trying to come to grips with being a half robot , raven with her daddy issues , starfire trying
to fit in with the world , beast boy um trying to uh cope with his trauma with um jokes . It's like you feel something for these characters right there .
But with these characters and young justice , like , yes , you want to feel something , for there's something there , but if they actually committed to it and like focused arcs within the seasons , it would have been much better . But I just feel like y'all had something , but y'all were dropping the ball here and there . That's my whole thing .
Otherwise , I can't be too mad at Young Justice . I still have a soft spot for it too . It's just that , like I said many times on the podcast , I don't mind criticizing the thing I love and I don't mind giving credit to where credit to do , when , even when , I feel like the show , movie , video game , whatever is total dog shit .
If it does something right , I will point it out . But that's the whole thing . With nuance to where , just because you have this soft spot for this thing doesn't mean that . Okay , I did notice the flaw . Yes , that's valid and whatnot . I'm gonna talk about it . But other than that , I'm gonna also talk about why I still like the show , regardless of the flaws .
That's pretty much where I'm at . But , um callie , how do you feel about the way the therapy episode was carried out ?
Um , I would say just with having my experiences , um , both as a client in therapy because I have been in therapy as a client before , receiving like services like that and also being on the other side of it , being the therapist .
There's , I do think , that black canary I can't remember exactly what they said her like , uh , what the words , like qualifications were like if she was just more like a counselor , kind of like a guidance counselor , peer counselor that sort of it's more like that , yeah , I was like I don't think she has a degree because I couldn't remember something exactly , but
anyway , the way that they handled each of the teams coming in and talking to her is kind of exactly how clients would talk . You have some that are more willing to talk and open up , some that aren't , some that aren't quite there yet . They do have something that they want to say .
But there are some people , when they come into therapy , usually that's a sign that they want to seek help for what they're dealing with . But there's still some , still some memories , still some parts of themselves that they're not willing to confront yet or talk about . And that's still perfectly OK . There's some .
There are some things that you can talk about in therapy and other ones that people still don't feel comfortable with . I mean , that usually takes time , which is becoming comfortable with your therapist , that sort of thing , being able to tell them like , hey , this is what's going on .
This , that sort of thing being able to tell them like , hey , this is what's going on . But people , when they come to therapy , think that they have to be an entirely like open book .
You don't have to be , you can tell me , or it's never that simple .
Yeah , it's literally . It's more of you . Don't have to tell me everything . It's more if you can talk about anything in here . That's the best way to put it . And so when black canary was trying to talk to the kids and ask them , you know well how are you dealing with this . How are you dealing with um ?
I think the context was after kid flash had passed , or was it because I know the second time was when um connor had passed , or what they thought he had passed was that was the first time after kid flash had passed away ?
uh with super boy I don't know , with um , with with kid flash , what was the first um , what was the first reason why they went into therapy ?
I just I'm trying to recall oh , um , it was just the main things where , uh , they were having dysfunction within the team . You know , it was like a team building in season one , yeah , it's like . It's more like okay , y'all have potential , but not only do y'all need to like work out your own issues , y'all need to work better as a team .
It's really more like uh , all right , let's just work out the king . You know like with young just I'm not young , just my bad justice league and the avengers to where there weren't always a cohesive team up front . It's more like they had their issues and they had to like work it out at some point .
So it was more like one of those things okay , that's what was okay .
I wanted to make sure I wasn't like conflating the two .
No , no yeah , just working out in the team .
That's all like I said , that's one of the things I mean . People can come in for family therapy and usually when you're providing therapy to a group of people , the first thing to do is blame it on one specific person . Okay , it is this person's fault while we're in this situation . Okay , robin can't be a good leader , so it's his fault .
Well , I'm not the one who can't control the team . I'm not the one who can't control the team . I'm not the one who's technically leading the team . It's . It's aqualad , oh well . It seems like artemis was hiding things , oh no , but it seems like mcgann was hiding things and connor has his anger issues .
So a lot of the times when people first come in with either like group therapy or family therapy , that sort of thing , the first , like I said , the first inclination is to point fingers . But one of the things that I've learned , at least the way that , um , the way I understand therapy is that there's no true one person is at fault .
It's more about accepting responsibility , the the term that , um , it always starts with you first yeah , the the term that I learned in um in school was relational responsibility . It's not so , like I said .
Okay , it's this person's fault like you're the reason why we're coming to therapy , like , usually when it's a family it's like a mom and a dad and a kid it's usually the placing the blame on the kid . Well , okay , you're saying that it's the kid . It's like a mom and a dad and a kid . It's usually the placing the blame on the kid .
Well , okay , you're saying that it's the kid's fault that they're like this , but you're the one who's also raising them . So how did they learn how to do this ? That sort of ? thing , so it's . I don't even want to say it's sharing the blame , but understanding your part and how you've contributed to what's happened , that's the best way .
Accountability .
Exactly . But I say there's just so when I'm trying to remember everything about that specific episode . When everybody's coming to see Black Canary , I think she gets pretty close to it , but it's still more individual focused . I would have liked to have seen more .
Okay , well , let's kind of meet all together as a team and let's hash this out all together like in the same room , because you can do you can do family therapy , but with an individual , because somebody , if they're dealing with something in their family , you can do that .
But the best what's the word I'm looking for the best scenario is being able to hear everybody who's dealing with the problem or dealing with the issue , because it's not even okay . I'm going to take this person's side about it . There's just more context , because this is one person's point of view and it's not wrong , but it's the only story that we have .
So hearing multiple perspectives gives a much clearer picture about what's going on .
So if Black Canary had been able to have all of the kids , the core six come in and talk all at the same time , I feel like that would have been a better representation of trying to do team building and getting to the point of the problem and trying to hash things out , but that probably would have been way too chaotic for the animation studio and trying to
figure something out in 22 , 23 minutes , not including commercials . So they did . As a therapist myself , I would say that they did a decent job , but it still could have done better . But I also understand , like I said , production issues and just trying to make sure they they what's the one before .
What needs to be part of the narrative is what's is what's included , like in the , in the episode , that sort of thing . So that's that's how I feel about the way they approach therapy , or at least team building exercises and stuff in that specific episode .
Okay , okay , I feel that Now that I remember there was a couple things about the characters that I also wanted to point out , to where , like how I was saying I don't like how they would go somewhere with some characters and then they just don't commit to it
¶ Character Development in Young Justice
later . For starters , how Kid Flash was so obnoxious about his feelings for Miss Martian , but you know , miss Martian and Superboy end up hooking up .
But then I hated how he was celebrating his birthday , like he came in time to have his party and what not , and then he Artemis , made Kid Black see that Miss Martian Superboy is a thing and it's like I mean I'm kind of glad that he didn't like get super angry or some shit about it , but he just feels more let down and it just kind of feel like there's
no falling action to that whole thing , to where he it's almost like they don't really even uh , acknowledge it anymore . After , uh , he finds out that , um , miss marshall is the voice of things . That's the weird part for me .
To where it's like , uh , y'all kind of built this whole thing up , to where , uh , maybe they will , maybe they won't , but even then it's like it felt a little anticlimactic in that area . That's just one thing .
Uh , another time where I felt like y'all had something going , then y'all just kind of um dropped it at some point to where , I think , with the whole roy harper uh arc to where you know uh roy was uh abducted , he had his arm chopped off on the clone and all that .
And the thing was y'all going somewhere to where um clone harper uh was trying to figure out who's the mole and everything , even um accusing artemis , because you know , artemis has sports master as a dad and uh sports master the villain .
So he kind of uh assumed that , oh well , uh , the apple doesn't fall far from the tree , so you might also , you know , cheshire being uh artemis's sister and also a criminal . So it's like , yeah , the apple doesn't fall far from the tree , so I wouldn't be surprised if you're the mole . But that wasn't the case .
In fact , clone harper himself was the mole , but he just didn't realize he was being controlled by vandal savages and whatnot . Uh , whole point being is that by the time uh green arrow find out where the real roy harper is , and clone harper , all that , all the shit , uh green arrow and clone uh Roy , they just pretty much get phased out the story at this .
At that point it's pretty much like the original uh Roy with the new arm callings of arsenal , and even then I'm like he's kind of doing some shady shit and sometimes to a degree I feel like , especially when he had like that five o'clock shadow and the longer hair , I'm thinking , bro , you look like a drug addict . I'm sorry you do .
And um , that's funny too , because in the comments he actually was . So take that as you will .
Um , speaking of drug addict , the whole thing with uh even though it's not a strong allegory for it the part where Superboy felt like he needed those patches that Lex Luthor was giving him in order to unlock his full powers , because he felt like he needs to be more like Superman , even though Superman don't even really acknowledge him , as you know how it is ,
because Superboy was genetically built in a lab and whatnot , so it's not really his son . But at the same time it's not like he's the best at inspiring Superboy to be a hero and whatnot . It's almost like he's ashamed of Superboy to a degree . I don't even want to look at him .
I'm like , bro , I get it's not really your responsibility , but I mean he does have your DNA , at the very least to teach him how to be like half human , half Kryptonian . Come on , dog .
You know , but the whole thing where he feels as though he gotta live up to this expectation , kind of like um with robin , with um batman , uh , but oh yeah , before I forget why , I would say another comparison to teen titans , robin and young justice . He doesn't mind going to um batman for certain things . Uh , it's not often , but he does .
Robin and teen titans , man , I was still laughing my ass off at the part where kokugatsu and I would say that this dude went halfway across the world to somewhere in asia to find this master to teach him how to be a stronger fighter .
Meanwhile you're the son of batman and yet it's come clear , if you know comic book lord , to where uh , dick grayson at some point get disillusioned by batman , just want nothing to do with him . This is the version of robin .
To where , bro , I would go halfway across the world than to see that man , he did not want batman telling him shit , it's like , uh , I can't . I can't tell batman that I'm failing , I can't tell batman that I'm slacking , like uh , he's gonna be on my ass about it . I can't have that , especially when I just love to do it .
I'm trying to um , this is the part of my life where I'm trying to distance myself from batman , that's the whole thing , to where you don't really notice that at first in Teen Titans . But if you know the comic book lore , you understand why Robin would try his hardest .
That's why he had that obsessive obsession with slaves , where he wanted to prove himself that he was good enough without Batman . That's the main thing . And with this version of obsession with slates , where he wanted to prove himself that he was good enough without batman , that's the main thing . And with this version of robin and young justice .
It's like , yeah , he's trying to be a leader , but he he's so used to the way things work with batman that he underestimated how things work with other people . Just like how , and uh , the first couple episodes where he just where robin does the batman thing , to where he just mysteriously disappeared without explaining the plan to the rest of the team .
You're so used to the way things work with batman that you don't know how to relate to people outside of the bat family . So that's why I'm saying it's funny how , at least in the Teen Titans Version , robin had to learn how to be a leader , more so In that one . Because , yeah , he has , he's looking after four people .
But at the same time it was Like for the most Part , they trusted His leadership With the team . In Young justice they were like , I don't know about robin , just like how you said kelly , like hey , man , first of all he's the youngest , second of all , he doesn't have power , so why are we following him again ?
Yeah , but yeah , um , I just feel like there's just some things where , uh , young justice , I want to say it's like Teen Titans , but edgier . But once again , aside from sometimes where I just feel like y'all were going somewhere with some things . And you know what ?
I'm kind of pissed off how y'all just now adding Static Sock into the mix but y'all gave him almost nothing to do , like that was pretty much with a lot of these characters like uh wonder girl and whatnot , to where , uh , there was just a whole bunch of shit going on , and I really hope there's a fifth season going on because I kind of want to see how
things go with uh dark side recruiting supergirl and black mary at Furies . And I still remember I only remember Mary from the second Shazam movie to where I'm like , okay , that's Mary Marvel , and then it's like okay . For some reason she's now on the bad side because Zatanna being , like this , mentor to three people , for some reason , keep forgetting .
I'm sorry , it was a lot of shit going on , but uh , whole point being is that , uh , I feel like satana just didn't trust mary enough , I guess , so they decided , you know , just switch teams . So like , oh well , y'all think I'm such a bad egg I might as well join the bad team .
There was just a whole bunch of shit going on , especially with Aqualad and his relationship with the girl and his friend , and blah , blah , blah , and I'm like I like where y'all were going with all this shit , but I just kind of wish it was more focused , that's all .
But aside from that , I kind of like how there's like some familiar names Voicing these characters . Like , for instance , I did not know that Allison Stoner Was Batgirl , or that Mae Whitman was like Wonder Girl and Spoiler like Troy Baker was , or that Mae Whitman was like Wonder Girl and spoiler like Troy Baker was Prince Breon .
I'm like , hold on , like I had some pretty good people voicing these characters . Tara Strong was Tara . Zeno Robinson was Cyborg . I know who was that guy Corey Payton . He was not only Aqualad , but he was almost every black dude except Cyborg . I'm like , yeah , y'all got some pretty good acts .
So yeah , from a voice acting point of view , y'all were doing pretty good . I felt like it was fairly serious , like it kind of made me feel invested in what was going on . It's just more like I just wish the execution was a little better . That's pretty much it , but honestly that's really all I got on Young Justice .
Really Y'all got anything you want to add on .
Let's see , not just Young're unjust , but , uh , team titans too , in case .
uh , I know you weren't there for most of team titans , so perfect opportunity to get whatever you want about team titans off your chest before we close this out um , yeah , I mean there's there's a couple things with team titans when I was going back and like looking at the wiki page and everything I I kind of picked up on when I was a kid that like each
season was kind of focused on a specific character , um , and I mean there are five seasons and if I remember right , I think it's , I think it's each of the core five get theirs besides Starfire , I think .
Terra is technically season 2 , and I was talking about that with my husband and I was like how shit is it that Starfire doesn't have her own art but fucking Terra has one . And I'm like , yeah , terra's like kind of the sixth member , but we know all about her , all of her issues , that sort of thing .
And of course that also occurs in Young Justice as well , with having Slade . And when I say Harley , my husband and I were also talking about how , excuse me , that the comic books with the whole Tara Deathstroke slash Slade relationship is actually really , really icky and I always thought that it was kind of weird in the Teen Titans stuff
¶ Teen Titans and Young Justice Development
. But anyway , that was one of my main gripes is that they didn't give Starfire and Dark we did .
Oh , I was just going to say I know we kind of talked about it already , but like I still say that , to be fair though , starfire did get a whole bunch of episodes dedicated to her , and also yeah , she did and also , well , this is what they say , but they say that Trouble in Tokyo was supposed to be Starfire's moment .
So if she didn't get a full season , that last movie , was it a movie ? Because honestly it didn't feel like a full length movie , it felt like a TV special , a little like one full hour .
Yeah , I think it was only like an hour . It wasn't even like 90 minutes or anything like that .
Yeah it wasn't like a full length movie , it was more like a TV special . So , yeah , uh , the tv special was supposed to be about her and um her like romance yeah , that was pretty much it , but like , but also , yeah , she did a whole bunch of episodes dedicated to her , so , yeah , I mean she had the one with her with her transformation .
She had the one with . With silky , she had the one . I would count her sister the prom episode and the one with her sister . I was just annoyed like there wasn't like a designated season for her , but tara had one . I mean I think beast boys was the was the last one actually , and of course we know ravens with um ra's with the whole Trigon thing .
But then again , like I was saying in the beginning , the reason why I can't be too mad is because Starfire's art was the most simplistic .
She was just trying to fit in and the whole thing with the transformation and all that that pretty much incorporates to her whole art , to where , yes , she's a fish out of water , she's the only well aside from raven , but like that's , uh , she's more like a demon , but , um , she's the only alien on the team and she's like she's trying to fit in with earth
culture and whatnot . So it was like her arc was the most simplistic but it was like , uh , aside from , you know , black fire and all that , yeah , uh , she didn't need all that . In fact , starfire was such a solid character you know how she was so cheerful and whatnot it's like she was set up to be like a flat character art to where in fact is .
She was one of those characters where more people should be kind of like her , in a sense , where she has like this childlike wonder and shit going on , uh , this bubbly personality , this friendliness , this glow to her .
So where it's like she was for the most part was a solid character on her own , so she didn't really need a whole art dedicated to her , like , not like the way they did robin or , uh , cyborg and whatnot .
By the same time , they kind of sprinkled it in because , um , you're gonna give her a little bit of character development , but she doesn't need a whole lot yeah , I can see where you're coming from with that , yeah , but um , let's see um .
But I guess then that was my biggest crap with teen titans .
But I said I enjoyed young justice as a whole and I understand with the leader dynamic with Robin and Teen Titans and Robin and Young Justice , because I mean , like I said , I think Robin is the youngest in Young Justice , I think he's only 13 , maybe 14 at most , and I think in Teen Titans he's about middle of the pack .
Beast Boy was young in that one .
Yeah , I mean , like Robin was like he's like the middle child . I think he was the youngest . I would say maybe him and Raven are about 16 . No , raven ended up turning 18 in the fourth season , but Cyborg was 18 and probably Starfire is about 16 or 17 . So if Robin's not the middle of the pack , he's at least second youngest , that sort of thing .
And so it was interesting because Harley and I were talking about how it's interesting that with Teen Titans you don't really see . You see like adult villains , but you don't see the other , like Justice League people come in . So it's interesting to me that you know , usually you hear the seen but not heard .
I think , with in terms of at least Batman , he's heard but not seen , because you know that he's like an underlying presence . Like you know , if Robin's trying to figure something out , batman's probably there . He's just kind of implied , like we know , robin is robin because of batman , but he's not .
They didn't put any of the uh , any of the limelight on batman at all . They were trying to show how capable robin was as a leader by himself , which I actually really , really enjoyed , enjoyed , you know what .
I'm sorry , but you know what you reminded me of , how there was this one time with Robin and Slade to where Slade was trying to set him up to be kind of like a father figure to Robin an abusive father figure , mind you . But , Robin said this one line that kind of was kind of cold and he was like I already have a father .
And then you hear the Batman theme going on with the bats flying . He didn't say it , but you know exactly who he was talking about .
Like I said , he's heard but not seen . I remember when they did it because I think , like I said , I think they do the Batman sound and then I think bats literally fly by or something like that , just to show that's implied .
That's probably one of the coolest moments , I would say , in the Teen Titans series , just because you kind of get the chills , you're like , oh yeah , they're talking about Batman , like that sort of thing . But anyway , so I like both of the series for their own individual reasons .
Like to me , teen Titans was definitely one of those that we watched when we were younger . I think when it came out in I think it was like 2003 , 2004 . So I was only about eight or nine years old . But then Young Justice started to come out , I think 2012 , 2014 .
So I was already at least in college by that time and so , like I said , that's why I like it . With Young Justice , we were kind of going up with the characters . As time goes on , and even with having like the third and fourth season picked up by HBO , a little bit more of a time skip happened because time had moved forward .
I think they did a time skip of less . It was either three to five years .
I'm Kelly . I'm sorry , but oh my god , you just . Oh , this is what I hate about season two , because they did a five year time skip To where , oh , superboy and Miss Martian broke up and all this other shit happened , whoa whoa , whoa , hold on . Can y'all like , explore , expand upon this ?
Like that's a whole bunch of shit that happened , that we didn't get to see , and then Roy and Cheshire had a child . Yeah , and also , um , that's a whole bunch of shit that happened that we didn't get to see .
And then Roy and Cheshire had a child , yeah , and also , um Brockett also having a kid , but then again that's much later and , um , I know , but I'm just saying like Y'all throwing all these Developments at us when I'm like Whoa , hold on .
¶ Young Justice and Teen Titans Breakup
Can we at least get some context , like can we at least see , like in a flashback or whatnot , what happened to where it's like okay , why did they break up ? Why is this and that happening ? And I'm like bro , I can't sometimes with this show , see . That's why I was saying that okay , as much as I still like Young Justice , they did do some shit .
That kind of pissed me off . But that's it . I'm honestly done . You had anything else Callie ?
No , I think that's the core of what I wanted to talk about with either of the series , just to kind of wrap both of them up .
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