¶ Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse Animation Discussion
Yo , what's good , everybody . It's JetBlackXtreme and Kokugatsu , and we are back at again with another episode of the ZONE Podcast , and Professor Tuck is going to be joining us later on , but for now , let's go ahead and roll into today's topic . Today's topic is Spider-Man into the spider-birds , and what a great way to start off the Redux Saga .
Wait see , in case y'all don't know , we've been at the zone podcast for two and a half years now , and that means that , as a Trigun stampede , that was the last episode of season 10 of the zone podcast , which is bringing the Awakening Saga that we had to a close . But now we're doing the Redux Saga . So we're looking back .
We're like , okay , there are some things that we could have done better , but there were some things that we did right . So let's just say we're going back to formula and refining our crack , but regardless , we're going to be dropping the heat and , without further ado , let's go ahead and zone in on this one . Thank you , guys for my friend .
How you feeling about your two different points ?
Look , fantastic franchise already . And we're going to say franchise because we got two movies of this right now and it's fantastic . First one was amazing and that's one that I'm just going to be talking into right now .
So first one was amazing and I first watched it and first I was one of those ones that was like , when they first showed it , they're like , oh , it's going to be like kind of a kind of bookish-esque style and I was like , hmm , that seemed interesting . I was like immediately shot off on it . I was interested , I was curious .
I love various different art styles and you tell me you're going to have another motion picture comic . The only thing that I was nervous about because you know how I do , how I feel about comic cartoons . What I mean by that is like record of Ragnarok and , of course , way of the House husband , which I still love it .
Way of the House husband is still really great . It's just , I can't get past the animation . I don't like comics . I don't like standstill comics where it's just somebody reading it like I can do this myself . If it's an animation , let me see animation . Let me see that this is it . This is how it works .
You know what I like ? How cookie guys are like hey man , even I can do a very tough shit .
I'm not even thinking that , but like I'm not trained animator or nothing like that , but realistically , if I'm going to spend time into it , like if I'm going to make something to me personally , I'm not going to release like a comic of somebody just reading words on a standstill picture .
Like I'm not going to do that , brother , if it's the animation , I'm going to do animation . Like if I'm going to do this , I'm going to make an animation .
So I just listen . Here's the thing . I did my review on several edgbrunners . The only gripe I had about it was they had the slow scenes where it just seems like they're talking . But it was just that one still shot out . Like bro , like capture the moment , god damn it .
Like let me see them talking , like let me see lips movement , let me see them give them eye contact and shit . It's like . It's almost like I'm walking a full minute or two . Just this one still shot . I was like , bro , y'all could have did more with the scene to add emotional value to it .
But it was next , it was next week . So yeah , but yeah , so that's how I feel about it . Into it I was nervous about the stylization , but I was not disappointed like it's literally comic book brought to life and it was . It was amazing in that aspect , like I felt like I was . It didn't feel like I was reading a comic book .
It felt like the comic book was literally like acting itself out . It was acting out the entire story . I didn't feel like I was reading a comic book . I felt like I was actually watching an animated movie with fantastic animation , fantastic character designs and the storyline was pretty straightforward and easy to follow as well .
When art comes to life .
Yes , honestly yes , and it's one of the craziest things about it too is the fact that , like right now , they've even already talked about the fact that one of the biggest and unfortunately I hate that it kind of sparked this particular thing but Into the Spider-Verse literally did promote up AI art , even though Into the Spider-Verse didn't use AI art , which is one
of the things I absolutely happy about . It did not use AI art . They're actual animators after getting paid to do this stuff and maybe they can test it out .
No , no , no , listen , listen . Yes , it was computer animated , but you can't tell me there was nothing lazy about these two films made going on three films if you're telling me it takes four years to make each film . When we take on fully animated film , at least a solid five to six , ten , if you're really cooking something .
Yeah , it depends on , like , how much animation is going down into it . You use your computer correctly but still have it to where it's like . You know it's not . The computer does all the work for you .
No , not going on that they even said all that shit talking about . Oh , it took a whole week just to animate one second of the across the spider-verse . I was like , damn , I kind of get it , but damn , I didn't know if they had much time for one second .
Look , look , look , that's the thing . That's how much intel it was and , of course , we've already seen the commercial source is not much spoiler . I know we're not talking about across the spider-verse fully right now , but just to go ahead and make mention of it . They put the same amount of detail in this in across the spider-verse .
They did it into the spider-verse and , yeah , literally every single moment took a lot of time .
It takes a lot of animators and a lot of time to be able to work it all together because literally even for stop motion animation , just to make not just make a stop motion film , stop motion films sometimes take up 10 years , literally just to make a scene , a one simple like five minute scene .
I thought a lot of people doing stop motion animation on Instagram and Twitter and literally it takes so much time . It takes months just to do like a two minute film , not even two minutes , like for Instagram reels , it's like a minute 30 seconds , like once you get is like 90 seconds , so it's like a minute 30 seconds , just a minute and a half .
It takes months of getting all those pictures . Arranging them together in order to have that stop motion animation takes a hell of a lot of time into it and , yeah , like they spend time into it and you can see it . You feel the work . It's not just one of those movies that you just like oh , I see it happening is whatever . No , you feel it .
You feel that this was actually somebody put their work into this , they put their time and energy into this . It's an amazing . So that animation . You absolutely appreciate it . But that's just the end of this is the animation talk , of course , and even as far as generalization , like I said , into the story . The story was very well written .
The first movie was the first movie , had a really good storyline , simple to follow through . It felt like . It felt like I was reading , no , maybe like two or three issues , but no , like four . I'm gonna say like four little spider-man issues , and I was satisfied with all four issues . I was like , yeah , this is pretty straight .
And then I did in one of those things you don't realize that there was so much more to the story , like when the process by versus coming out , you would have had no idea that what happens in into the spider-verse cause such a big thing is the main reason for the next two films .
You don't realize that when you watch into the spider-verse you can watch it as it's on , stand alone and it's still great . It follows , great .
It is Miles's coming of age story of him being the new Spider-Man , him discovering things and how it goes and , of course , it being very different from various different other comics and even the video game Spider-Man Miles Rallis as well . I have both the PS4 . Spider-man is love , love them both .
My kids love them , they love me watching them , they love watching me play it and even , like my oldest one , he tries to play a little bit too yo cook you guys guess what ?
guess what caught on playing the first part of man gay was that . Uh , friend dice gay uh , honestly yeah .
I wouldn't be surprised . It's that great like he would enjoy . Is he definitely enjoyed the game it feels ? like yeah , it's like an open world RPG , like absolutely . And yeah , it's like absolutely . It's a great game in itself , but it becomes very different versus in Miles Morales , uh , and the PS4 Miles . On Spider-Man .
Miles Morales , we have this coming of age Miles that still able , even though Peter Parker is not there with him , he's still giving him advice of different things . We still have Miles still trying to figure out his own weight , but he still has a backup as needed . He's still able to get words of advice . He's still able to get these little different things .
And into the spider-verse we have a Miles that has none of that . This is a man that , as soon as he nothing to say man is a boy because he was still in college . It's a boy who is as soon as he got his spider-man powers , the spider-man that should have been a coach for him to actually help him out dies . So now he's having to pick up the slack .
He's having to pick up what Peter left behind , and it's not even the fact that Peter tried to leave that behind for him like that , that's just what happened and it was like holy cow , and not even just that either . But there's also that point of the big reveal . Everyone found out who Spider-Man actually was that it was Peter Parker upon his death .
So it's not even one of those things is like oh , we found out who it is and he can't get his praises or people hating on , so he couldn't get none of that . When everyone found out , they found out upon his death , and then everyone lost hope .
And then Miles is sitting here trying to bring back this hope but he's struggling because he's like I'm just now getting the hang of this , like I'm not . I didn't have my coach . My coach , my teacher died the moment I got my power and I'm trying to figure this shit out myself .
I kind of understand it and it's such a rough thing and you really feel that in the movie . You feel that emotion . You can feel that with Miles and you know I talk about this all the time because things you always have as a character , if they're relatable , you can understand what's going on with them .
As far as them being well-written and Miles is a well-written character the voice actor does a fantastic job , you can relate to him and absolutely , what are you about to say ?
I'm about to say in relation to that . You can relate to him the times when he hangs out with his uncle , aaron , and he does his graffiti .
And he does graffiti sometimes , like the one time I saw when he did the one with expectation and it had like this silhouette of a kid and you know , it's like it just kind of symbolizes how his father , jefferson Davis , is having these expectations for him to grow up to be a barnyard man , of course , like as a good father would want for his son-son , but
it's like you know he's coming of age . So he's like you know what ? You trying to figure it out , but you know I'm trying to some more time , like in the meanwhile . You know , let me just be a kid . You know what I mean .
I mean not exactly like that , but you know how it is with coming of age , things like you can't really spread the kid to have it all together like before , even Graduate high school , not exactly . But you know some kids are like that , some kids are not . So yeah ,
¶ Spider-Verse Characters and Art Styles
but yeah , it's like- .
That conversation over here for me is when you walk into that girl , you just gonna walk up to her , put your hand on the shoulder and be like hey , he was like hey , yeah , we gonna work on that .
Yeah , yeah , because he that's where I was like okay , that's kind of sus , especially , you know , like post-M2 movement era , to where I was like you can't really do that anymore . I mean , it wasn't even a moment to begin with , but now it's like , yeah , you really can't do that anymore . How do you know ?
Look , you know , uncle Ian is a old school player .
That's what I also love about a rapper yeah that's what it is , though you can even tell it's all in his spirit to where he's like he's old school . You can kind of feel it on him . So I don't know if he's a G-ma but yeah , it's kind of outdated though .
It's like ah , yeah , that's like you know he was an old school brother , like he was , like he was an old school player back in the day , bro , you feel that like you feel that this is like that , this is family and it's like damn , like I feel you feel family in the movie . You feel his protective dad Especially me as a dad .
I'm definitely a very protective dad . My kids . I just you know .
You do know that the two guys that made this feel Lord and Rodney Rothman , they also did . You know shit like Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs , our house Amphibious , some other shit that we are familiar with already , and you notice how they animated the episode today was almost like the same cop dad from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs .
I could not unsee that ever since then . I mean , she's probably . They look just alike too .
It was on purpose too , bro . It was on purpose , they did on purpose , yes .
And also they also mentioned a reference to Clone Hot with the two of them , Viddu , and it was like , oh , this was before the reboot . And it was like , oh , that's a good week .
Mm-hmm , it is and like , it's , like they have so much good work with them . And to be able to see that in the movie is fantastic Like you see those references ?
Oh , it was a little more . Yeah , because for Miller , my bad , just for that part .
But like seeing those references was fantastic in itself , but also , even if you didn't catch them , if you're learning about them right now , when you think about it , you're like oh wow , yeah , and it's like , yeah , absolutely , and as you're watching it , there's so many different things that come up into the movie . It's just like yo .
And then , when this is just talking about just the basic cast as far as , like you know , miles and his dad and Uncle Aaron , but now we even talked about the crossovers that started happening .
So I was starting to get a little bit of a feeling .
Oh no , we're just talking about that right now . We want to .
We want to go ahead .
Yeah , like come on . So let's go ahead like we have Spider-Ham , those kids , honestly , I'd be honest with you .
I did not act with certain Mulaney boys of him until like the second go around .
No , my wife could not let it go . We was in the theater watching it and she was like bro . She was like I swear to God , I know this voice and so she had to look it up . And she looked it up and she was like I knew it was him . My wife is great with voice actors , actresses . Especially if they're voice actors and actresses , she catches them quick .
She was like I know this , I know what it is , and she's always so good at that Like we love playing those little games .
Believe me , that's the best one .
Spider-Ham never was like .
It's not familiar . I mean look at this though .
So obviously All-Star cast absolutely fantastic . But yeah , so we got Spider-Ham and I'll be honest with you , I do know of Spider-Ham , but I've never read any type of comic with him in it whatsoever . I've never read a crossover comic or anything like that .
I thought that he was just fan art , which I think he probably did start off as fan art and then it progressed , but I don't know , I don't know , I don't know , like it was great .
I'll come it's like it was great , I'll come , it's like way back in the day . But he's just , you know , one of those things where it's like it's one of those things that got lost in time , but they're like you know what ? No , what they actually did was the two guys . They won a diverse cast where none of them really look alike .
So that's why you got Penny Parker , Spider-Man Noir Spider-Ham , gwen Stacy , so it was like in Miles Morales , being an Afro Latina , an Afro Latino dude . So it's like , yeah , they were going for a real diverse . So that's what was really going on . But yeah , spider-ham's been the thing .
But you know like , hey , let's just go ahead and fish through the Spider-Verse and pick someone out , you know what they were really going for was not only they didn't want a diverse cast , but they wanted to challenge themselves to create characters that involve different art styles . And you notice that .
And let me tell you something else about Spider-Ham when that fight I know I'm jumping , but when they get to the final fight and he was up against Scorpion and Scorpion was like , oh , you're a little silly cartoon . And then he was like you got a problem with cartoons .
Look , I'll be honest , when I first saw Spider-Ham first not to remember the movie , I just mean general I thought it was Porky , as like porky pigs talking about what you like , man , or something like that . Because you know , looney Tunes does references to everything anyway , even if it's not their own franchise , they don't care .
Wb likes taking a shot at everybody , so I thought that was kind of what it was . Personally , spider-noir was a very interesting character as well . It was very interesting for me in the fact that he like how , every single time you have a noir character , like having someone .
That's pretty much the genre of noir , the genre of black and white mistrust detective . They're always like oblivious to every damn joke possible . And then they did this . Even DC has done this to animated series too . We wanted to have like a noir Batman one time and it was the same thing .
Like unless he was in his Bruce Wayne persona , batman got no jokes whatsoever . Like you can never get him to smile . He was like I don't get it , always move forward , but then Bruce Wayne would say I got it but he never knew what .
In the noir mode it's like , you know , that noir jazz going on . They're probably at their death contemplating about the next case or previous case . You know they're very dark and shaker . Act story . I was like is all with this monologue ? That just really got you thinking like damn bro , do you need like a drink or a ? I don't know yeah every new one .
The detective needs a drink . That's why they're always drunk . But then you're not a scene noir detective , except spider noir is not a drunk , we're free . Yeah , I'm like you , just like live in the , in deep depression . I'm sitting here . Honestly , I will say this is one of the funniest things about it .
Literally , if I had to choose between emo and noir and I've already , and I definitely am I celebrate emo day , I celebrate golf day . That's just me . But like understanding in that aspect , I still go emo Absolutely , because understanding the fact that like noir is your whole thing . It's not just like , oh , it's just darkness and depression .
No , it's just darkness , depression , sadness and nothing else needs to exist . I'm like damn , at least an emo is home . There's still an emotion of hope there , somewhat . Damn bro , get a drink .
Oh I don't even .
I don't even drink , but I still will tell you to get a drink . Do I need to buy you a drink ? I'm about you . A joint , what is it ? They got this new commercial now by move . The CBD guns is like if you want to get a better move , honestly , that you notice the mood is always colorful . It's like one of those ones you like .
I just want to throw one inside the noir world one time just to see who gets it and see what happens , why one person eat it . All of a sudden color pops into the world . You're like what ? There's colors . And , of course , my favorite thing , look . This is one thing I always appreciate of no matter what noir detective and of course , spider noir has .
This I appreciate it . I appreciate it . It is the fact that trench coats . That coat is always a thing for me . I have , I have a big thing for trench coats . I love trench coats . It's just me , I don't know . It's just how I am . Honestly .
It's one of the main reasons I also like Final Fantasy seven with like cloud , because I'm not talking about like the first edition cloud , I mean second edition cloud , when he was done in all black , like Abbot Children Cloud when he had like the one tape that was like a trench coat on one side type thing , that right there Something about me and French coats .
So as soon as I see like a trench coats and for doors , that's always a thing for me . My wife hates it . My wife absolutely hates the fact that I love trench coats and for doors so much . But I do .
That's just what I am it just my thing I used to fuck with the doors up until you know certain dudes that we don't fuck with anymore . Like , really like , wear for doors and you let you know .
I'm like I just don't want to ruin my love for doors . It will not happen .
I have a hole . You should have been a gangster in the sixties .
The sixties . What's up ? What's up ? You're my friend , I'm a friend . Oh , I appreciate you joining in , absolutely , and so yeah , but no , for what I do . I love for doors . I have a door for every holiday , not just every season . Have a door for every holiday . I have a door for the same Saturday . I got four doors for four .
I don't even fuck with four for July like that , but I got one . I got four doors for Juneteenth . I got four doors for Valentine's Day , for Easter and for Christmas . My name is . I got four door collections .
Thank you . So now that you say it for doors , I'm thinking of reborn from hitting memory boring . I'm like you know . I really want to do the review in September now .
That'd be nice . That'd be nice , but press it and we're going to need , we are going across , not going to cross five , as we're going into the spiderburst with our one , the lovely , lovely cast right now , as we've already just briefly touched on spider ham , and right now , of course , we're talking about spider noir .
Noir , yeah , yeah , so just an absolute dude that's all about dark , demeaning depression and gets absolutely no joke whatsoever . No matter what joke they tell him , he will not get it whatsoever . And his past , he harpers on his past being the absolute darkest thing ever .
And then , literally , when they show his past , I was sitting here like that's not the darkest past at all . There's actually , that's actually kind of the lightest past of everybody Just saying but anyway , oh man , but no .
So I also mentioned the fact that , like when I first knew of spider ham before this movie , I did not know that he was an actual comic book character . I thought he was fan art . I thought it was WB dressing porcupig as Spider-Man , as a joke . So I had no idea that he was actually a real character .
I mean I know now , oh , but real quick .
So perfect to tuck . Yeah , do you have something real quick now ? What's your feeling about this movie ? No , I enjoyed it .
I'm excited to talk about it as we get into the next one too .
I mean I know now . I mean I know now , yeah , oh , but real quick , so perfect to tuck the next one too . But I ain't got nothing in particular right now .
¶ Miles Morales and Black Superheroes Discussion
Okay , we're just going into characters .
Yeah , Like you know this game feel because , like , really , let's just be real . Like because we didn't even do the podcast when into the spider first came out , this is more like , okay , obligatory review on into the spider first . So it's like y'all probably , ladies and gentlemen here in this , like I've probably already seen it by now .
So I'm like do a really neat go over the content , what ?
are you doing ? It is on Disney , it is on Disney plus , it's on Blu-ray .
It's like at this point whatever , let's just get into the characters and some of my favorite moments and all that , like we don't have to go through all of the content , like y'all should know by now .
Yeah , absolutely Okay . Yeah , my next kill I was really excited .
Did y'all talk about miles ? Yet we did a little bit about miles .
We kind of briefed on him a little bit . I was going to talk about just a little bit , but we kind of briefed on him .
I was just saying , I was just excited for a black superhero . Yeah , I'm not going to wait to get started with Miles Morello ?
Look , I remember I was . One of the things I was really happy with is that Miles Morales was introduced before Stanley passed away and they actually did kind of ask him about it and I would never forget that he referenced the whole interview .
He just said like he just referenced the whole interview , so that that whole interview circled around when Miles Morello started becoming popular again because he's been around for a little while . Miles is still a fairly new character , but he's not as new . He's been around , I think about as long as as Harley Quinn has , if I'm correct .
So it might not be exactly that long , but just about he's been around for a minute .
Um , but the thing about it is that even Stanley says one of the things about make a Spider-Man his favorite character is the fact because the suit completely covers his body and because of that , spider-man can literally be anybody , and that's one of the best parts about it is that it can . He can be anyone , it doesn't make a difference .
He said he can be black , he can be Hispanic , he can be white , he can be Indian , he can be all these different things , and literally out of the interview they made a Spider-Man for every single thing he listed , plus some , and so absolutely they count .
I like how our boys , uh , chris , when they were approaching oh , excuse me , I had to sneeze when they were approached to uh was Spider-Man movie , they were like we are only in it If we could do one on Miles Morales . And they were like , yeah , let's do it . I'm like , wait for real . I'm like , yeah , let's do a Miles Morales on cheerleading , let's go .
Thanks Miles Morales or Virgil Hawkins , either way , either way .
Yeah , the way up . I mean , we got so many people .
If y'all looking for a static shot , I'm like amen , Just call me .
It's all me Put it out there , man , you never know , you never know . But no , for real , like absolutely having um , having a representational hero that we can represent , that represents us , is always a great thing .
So , yes , having a Black Spider-Man is always great and , you know , we get a chance to get some , um , like Black superheroes , but most of the ones that are popular now is not like their own superheroes .
It's always like there was a white one first and then a black one came along afterwards and it's like , uh , but it's one of those ones that you still appreciate the fact that , like characters like John Stewart from Greenland and Miles Morales like yeah , the man came after , but that doesn't mean that there is like a background character like John Stewart still got
his own animated movie too . If you haven't seen it , Rise of the Green Lantern on Max Absolutely , that's a John Stewart . That's a movie for him . It's him and his rise is Green Lantern and like that's , that's his movie . So we finally get like movies just for our Black superheroes and that's fantastic . Now that's what we really want .
We need to have that representational stuff .
Hey , yo , listen , listen , remember in no Way Home , when Electro was talking to Andrew Garfield on Spider-Man , how , oh , I thought you were a Black and , like you know , it just doesn't sound like you were .
I thought you were going to be a Black here , like , nah , I'm like nah , I was like , oh well , that's a bummer , but hey , there's got to be a Black Spider-Man out there . And I was like , well , think about it . Into the Spider-Verse happened like four or five years before no Way Home .
So in a way it's like the whole multi-verse Spider-Man thing started with into the Spider-Verse and then no Way Home happened , and then now we're getting across the Spider-Verse and even they even got fucking like the Sam Raimi Spider-Man , the amazing Spider-Man and just a little glimpse of , maybe , the Tom Holland Spider-Man in across Spider-Verse .
But whenever I'm getting too deep into that right now , but I'm just saying , though , it's almost like saying it's like it's connected in a way to where , with the Spider-Verse , like they're going to have to be a little involved somehow anyways .
So it's like you see , a little involved . Look , I'm trying to wait to say it because nobody really going to talk about across Spider-Verse . No , I'm not saying it's like but they did , but like they did mention it , like they did want to mention no Way Home a little bit . It was a very quick reference but it was mentioned .
I'm just saying Within the first 15 minutes to Into what Not in this one .
No , but not into the Spider-Verse , but across Spider-Verse . Yes , it did actually . Yeah yeah , yeah . But yeah trying not to get too far ahead is just . Obviously I'm super hyped after we have to work across the Spider-Verse .
I'm so hyped because literally like into the Spider-Verse is amazing and when you watch it you don't think you was like , bro , how can they one up this across the Spider-Verse comes out and they absolutely didn't one up that shit . They did up that shit , bro .
I was like how they gonna do the last one . I don't know how they gonna do the left .
That's so crazy I'm hearing rumors that there's gonna be multiple Gwen Stasis and I'm calling it right now . They do it to where it's like , for some reason , they're gonna have when them showing up and I'll like , oh , okay , that would be crazy , yeah , that would be fucking crazy , but I don't know .
I'm like you know , I don't think so , but then again , that would be fucking crazy because we talked about that's the only thing that hasn't been produced into across the Spider-Verse .
But considering the fact that it was already referenced about no Way Home and understanding that after Credit Sequence of no Way Home had Venom Already had Venom in the movie , technically at least , as after Credit Sequence , but still that means they've already acknowledged that there's a connection between symbiotes and all of the spider-man's too .
So Gwynum would not be too far , be too far back . It wouldn't be too far back because they already like Hit Pete on Tom Raimi , like having that pop , that spider-man . They already pretty much had a black suit spider-man anyway . So really they've already referenced a venom as well .
Also , they've connected that together and of course in the way homey Wren's mentions that you know I fought an alien like a black alien that you know that's a word .
In other words , as far as in a writing aspect , they have to pave the road for it to make sense .
Yep , and they did a fantastic job in doing so . But , um , yeah , well , really quick , because I do gotta hurry up and get off , that I'm gonna go ahead . I'm gonna push about five more minutes real quick . So back to into the spider-mers . So we kind of have our characters into it . So have cat noir , Gwynn Stacy , we're gonna go ahead .
I'm gonna just breeze on her real quick in the aspect because I Was . The only gripe I would have had it into the spider-verse is that I didn't get enough Gwynn . But then it makes sense to not get as much Gwynn as we got into into the spider-verse .
When we finally get to across the spider-verse and it makes sense why it is we don't have as much Gwynn as we should . So it's what we think is . At least I think that we should have . But Gwynn Stacy wants to be a great written character . I'll do like how they . The Gwynn Stacy that we're following is the first Gwynn Stacy .
It is not the Gwynn Stacy because there's multiple different wins . Obviously we just mentioned that there's multiple different wins .
Multiple of them fall in love with different spider-mans and Most wins are usually with other part out , like with other spider-mans , like miles or Peter Parker , but this Gwynn Stacy in her universe there was a Peter Parker , but not so much , but there was not a miles Morales in this one .
This is the Gwynn Stacy that did not have a miles and that's why her attraction to miles very it becomes so intensified Because in multiple other universes with Gwynn Stacy she gets along well with miles . They're really close friends where they dated and stuff like that and that's just kind of a normal thing into the aspect .
So I do appreciate that we wanted to having the first whim . That did not meet miles until this moment . This is the first miles that she's ever met and so she gets . She gets a feeling that she's never experienced before , but one that is Across the spider-verse . That actually happens that most Gwynn Stacy's want of getting um .
And then also I love the fact that Gwynn Stacy with um the right introduction of Gwynn Stacy Stacy it was the first time we've had a gender-bend spider-man . That's been like canon , like canonical to the comics Versus , like we've actually had like Peter Parker turn into a woman type of thing , but it became a whole different thing in itself .
Or Mary Jane wanted of getting spider powers for a short period of time but no , actually having like an actual Female spider-man , that this is her story , not a branch off from anything is just her individual story . But we also get introduced to a new doc Ah .
And for most people who don't realize , that miss yeah like this doc is because it's based off the first Gwynn's uh , the first Gwynn Stacy , the first um ghost spider . And one of the best things about this one is that most people don't understand that . Yes , doc Ah is a villain .
He's , he's always the male one's always been a villain , but there is always some point into it . Every male doc oh well , not every single one , but most of the male doc ox are dying in some form of fashion .
Their body is dying or they're dying or whatever , and that's their driving force to them , creating the tentacles , to creating this way of Extra limbs so they could still keep moving even when their body shuts down or something , or a way to kind of like , in a sense , immortalize themselves because they're they're scared of dying .
Not Gwynn Stacy's doc ox , gwynn Stacy's doc ox is an actual psychopath that's literally just created the tentacles because she fucking could and is literally a villain . It's not a villain of like oh , just kind of misunderstood or maybe things could have went a different way .
No , she is an actual psychopath and literally Gwynn Stacy's doc ox , the female doc ox , and no matter what university is in , the most dangerous and lethal doc ox Of the sinister six
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Yeah , you know who ? Uh , olivia Octavius Ramamio . Um , that one episode of inside job where Reagan made those Uh robot arms and might make that jokes , and by Yuri slowly acting towards being a supervillain .
Yeah , and that's literally what it is . This was no her . There was no mind control in this one . Like what happened with our um , her original series of spider-man there's no mind control . That happens . There's no um , his body is decaying or anything like that .
She literally just had the technology , she created it and decided just to do some fucking the fact that the fact that between Olivia Octavius and Ray and Ridley , they're both head scientists and Both CEOs of a company , so I'm like , bro , the parallel , the fucking .
It's looking like you know , green goblin and doc ox or two separate characters and stuff . But it's one of those ones like what if they kind of were the same person , but female ? And that's kind of like well , olivia Octavius is because she is , she's just , she's just real psychopath , like on some real shit .
When you realize the fact that , like in multiple comic books , when they're reading and stuff , they're like no , she literally just likes Harming people sometimes , like she doesn't always do it , she has a means of an end most of the time , like most of it is domination , like world domination or dominating the city or something like that .
But either way , this usually like uh , she still hurts people and she kind of just continues to do so . There's not too much of an opposition into that . That's just who she is and that's makes her literally the most dangerous . Doc ox , she's not someone you reason with . Gwen Stacy has never been able to reason with her .
It's always just Capture her and put her in prison . That's all we can do . There is no talking it out . Versus , like peter , actually does try to conversate with his villains , like he does talk to them all the time .
He's had multiple conversations with kingpin trying to get him to calm down and understand that even in this movie we have a kingpin that , honestly , you know , professor tup , you and I , we , we can . I'm gonna say , I'm gonna say that I think we can relate a little bit to this kingpin .
I could say that in this aspect , because you know , his whole story was he lost his , his wife and his child and he's like there's a universe out there where they're still alive and I'm gonna go to this universe that they're still right . That's where I want to be at .
So I'm like I get that , I get that like as a husband and a father , that's the hardest thing you can imagine losing , you know , your wife and child . Like that's a hard thing . In that aspect Um Sorry , I can relate a little bit into that . Was it still fucked up way ahead ? Yes , so he went to therapy .
Most definitely , most definitely there is a thing of moving forward , but it's . It's a difficult thing . You can't ask someone who's lost so much to just move on . And also considering the fact that that winds up becoming , in two different ways , a major point of the storyline , or across the spider-verse , and I'm just like , wait a minute .
Hold on , hold on . I got a joke . I got a joke for this . I am imagining this guy was showing up and I was like , oh , you want to bring back your wife and kids and you get all this sympathy . I try to do it and I'm the bad guy .
I'm the bad guy . I'm the bad guy . But yeah no , no , no , no no .
I'm like .
I'm both the bad guy . It was more like it's All them crazy letting the kingpin that they did was . That's all I'm saying .
But the both of them try to collapse all of reality to have it to do it Right . The only difference is this there's only one difference in this so kingpin used technology that still wasn't even perfected and done yet , and completely yet . He just jumped the gun and jump started to try to have it done .
He collapsed all of reality and all everything went to shit . This is what what happened . Scarlet witch is slightly different .
She has the power of chaos and when you understand that , um , literally my festos , like the person , the , her power itself , the true , her true nature of power Is that scarlet witch's power is the same throughout all multiverse , no matter which multiverse you go into .
Whether or not , um , a scarlet witch has had more potential , more tapped into that power , that power is the exact same . If she has succeeded . She would have been able to actually have , like , actually succeeded . She could actually merge two realities and still come out on top with her win .
It would have been fucked for everyone else , but she still would have been able to balance out , having those two realities merge and it would have worked out because that's how powerful she actually is . So scarlet witch would have been able to win on this . Kingpin would not have , because this technology was incomplete . He is not no king the conqueror .
He did not have futuristic technology to be able to accomplish this shit . He could not demolish every other timeline and make one singularity timeline , like what happened in Loki . He did not have the ability to do this . He would have collapsed , everything , everything would have been gone .
Hey yo , you know what , now that you're on this , like I wanted to say this for last , but I just gotta say this right now and cookie . I said , to be fair , before we started recording we did talk about this , but now that you're on , I'm just gonna put you in on it too . It kind of pissed me off .
People are saying that , oh yeah , into the spider burst is his own movie . Yeah , no doubt . But they can't really criticize across the spider burst until they see beyond the spider burst , because originally it was supposed to be a two-part movie .
But with that logic , anything that's part of a trilogy or a quadrility or a long-running series , you might as well apply that same logic to those things . And when you do that , I'm just like bro , that just sounds like way too much work Just to find a payoff . We go , okay , okay , I , now that everything's done , we can now do it .
You know , criticize each part as we go . And I was like , no , that's a weird take Cause I'm like each movie stands out on its own Hell , even because they renamed it to Beyond the Spider-Verse .
I think it's clear that they want each of the installment to stand on its own , which brings me to the point with this fucking collider , where we've seen across the Spider-Verse already . Okay , okay . So we're gonna dive into a little bit more when we get to across the Spider-Verse .
But I'm just gonna say this right here the fact that , yes , kingpin was trying to get his wife and kid back and yes , even though Miles was trying to do his thing , trying to stop Kingpin from fucking up the multiverse , and all of that , and when you see across the Spider-Verse , you gotta realize that across the Spider-Verse couldn't even happen without into the
Spider-Verse . So if you're saying that , oh , you can't criticize across the Spider-Verse until you stop seeing Beyond the Spider-Verse , it's like then it's like you know what I mean , because we're into Spider-Verse even though it came out in 2018 , and we kind of didn't know where it was gonna be going from this direction .
But it's all set up for it all to be connected into one . But it just kind of weird how some people are saying that , oh , we shouldn't criticize , or you know , we just not sure how we should go about reviewing across the Spider-Verse until we see Beyond the Spider-Verse . So I'm like why ? I'm like they're their own thing . But the fuck you're talking about .
That's all I'm saying . It's like I just think the whole thing is dumb .
We gonna find out in nine months . You know what I mean . Yeah , no , oh yeah , which is crazy . The timeframe is crazy .
No , no . That's the thing , animators and all that . They're saying that no
¶ Spider-Verse and Penny Parker Discussion
, no , no , no way . This is gonna happen in like nine months , and Koo got to and I was talking about it and we're like you know what , man , I don't know why , you know like another four years as long , like hey , let them cook .
I don't know about that . I don't know about that . Why you say that I don't know about that ? They better hire more animators , bro . Yeah , they ain't like , they ain't got the money .
Look , I mean it's true they did make the money . Like Across the Spider-Verse is sold out top , like it is the top selling movie right now .
People are going back rewatching it over and over again it is the best Spider-Man that ever came out , bro , I tell you to go get that against any other Spider-Man . I know I'm waiting for tomorrow . What time are we doing this tomorrow ? What ?
New . We're doing like midday noon yeah .
Cool , cool , cool . We need to . Yeah , I can't wait . Oh , that's hot I got you .
But nah , okay , nah . But all I'm saying was , okay , okay , if it's coming out March 29th , cool , cool . But as long as it's like , as long as you're not like cutting corners or something , I'll meet a deadline . I was like , oh , man , man , it's like .
Stan Lee and that thing I heard . Nah , that's roomless , that's roomless .
Yeah , I was like , if so , I was like did they like use AI to like clone his voice or something ?
That'd be crazy . That'd be crazy .
I don't know , but I mean some of these AI voices and stuff . I'd be like I don't know . But look , I don't support it , like stealing actual artists because , like musical artists , like that's their job , like don't be stealing stuff like that from them , because that's really messed up .
Plus , you can make them say whatever you want to say , and that's really fucked up too , cause you could really like not even just ruin someone's reputation or some shit like that . Like really just shows how much you are as a person , like what's going on .
But I will say there's only one AI voice thing that I have kind of and I only say kind of , kind of back a little bit into this aspect here and there's a dude that's actually using like spun Bob voice actors and for the church . Yeah not just her songs , which is other stuff .
Oh yeah , I heard the church songs swans , rob and Patrick .
Yeah , it's what's not pat just singing all these different songs , is she like ?
that one's wrong singing take me to the king . I was like bro and it was funny .
It was so funny shit . But it's one of those ones . We understand that the voice actors actually can't sing , so we're seeing a I be able to actually Manipulate the tones , be able to do so . It's pretty funny . But yeah , that's the only thing . I'm kind of like it otherwise .
No , like , get these voice actors like they need this , they need this like a sovereign at this day job . Hey , I can't cover that . Hey , I can't cut . Can cover tone inflection .
That's not on the street slide , I'll do some voice acting for money .
Now , we ain't trying to do all that , all right , hey look . So there was only one other character that I will say gets the back burner , and I'll into the spider-verse cuz I realized I gotta get off .
But there's only one character that I want to put on , I really want to talk about and I'm not gonna lie to you , I feel horrible because I kind of forgot her name . But the one with the robot , the little girl .
Oh , the Mika one , oh yeah .
You really gets out shined , she really gets out shine . So we get a good bit of her into the spider-verse and I'm gonna be honest , that's the only grab that I have about across the spider-verse is that we don't really get her .
Penny Parker yeah , I .
Penny Parker . Like I would have loved to get some more penny Parker . I would have loved to get something across five or we're not talking about that right now , but into the spider-verse I do .
So yeah , hey , hey , hey , can I , can I tell you something ?
What's that ?
Did you know that in the original you know draft of this movie she was supposed to die in this one , but they were like why that nonsense back ?
I .
Wait , she was supposed to die .
No , shout out to channel Predator , because he was like doing the research and I was like looking . I'm like hold on , no way , let me see , but yeah .
Yeah , the history about her is it's kind of dope to , though , because she inherited that Meka , it was originally her father that was at and that's the Meka Spider-Man and you know , you know , you know about fathers and the spiders . You know , yeah , well , uncles , spiders , spider-man , uncles and fathers gone , which is another thing about across the spider-man .
As we get into that tomorrow , Look , and I'm gonna go ahead and mention this , and there's one little aspect if you still haven't seen across spirals , we haven't even spoiled nothing for you .
I want you to understand out of everything that we've said , we still haven't spoiled nothing for you and that's why as you can still go back to the movie so one of the things to mention into this aspect here and this is something that I'm mentioning now since it's already part of this particular movie is something that a lot of people Recently referenced after
what happened in the next movie . When you understand , when Miles , when he first gets bit by the spider and he first Meets Peter Parker , right before Peter Parker Dallas , when he first meets him , you see his spider sense Changes .
His spider sense when it first starts off is purple and green and he's like , as he's trying to react Because it's his first time that he's having the spider sense happen , and what winds up happening is that it changes from purple and green To blue and red is like he changed personas in a sense , like something Changed in him that was abnormal .
And when it changed if you pay also pay attention throughout this whole movie the first references when this change starts happening . The number 42 keeps popping up throughout the entire movie . Once that happens , the first thing you notice is that miles his spider sense to first changes it go his color . It's not even just a spider sense .
When he's first drawn , when you first see him , he has a lot of green and purple pigment Inside of his character design . His world is very dark , but then once he gets bit by the spider , his world lights up and you think that's like oh , is his transformation into a hero ? Yes and no , but I'm not saying anything further until we get to tomorrow .
No , because I don't want to say anything about it . You , I'm not trying to spoil it , but yeah , you know
¶ Connections and Speculation in Spider-Verse Movies
it's like . Once again it was like a whole see , this is what I was talking about between into the spider verse and across the spider verse .
It's like Into the spider verse was one big check off gun to where , once you see across the spider verse , you're thinking about something to show that happens and you're like oh , oh , A lot of shit that happened in the process for the verses because of what happened into the spider , so shit .
So , if anything , across the spider verse is the one movie that's like bridging them together , just like you know that one scene with spider-man kind of like holding up the bridge , or that one faring in on homecoming . You know it's like that's across the spider verse right now .
It's like the one movie that's holding those other two moves connected exactly so it's like , but it's so much .
But all those connections is , when you you don't see them at first , and then , as you start Put piecing those connections together , you're like holy shit , wait , there's way more connections . Wait , this is way better than I thought it was gonna be , and it does . It just makes it even better and even more better and even better , and it's just like Bruh .
You could say it's a whole web of connections .
Funny .
All right hold on .
So I want , I want to make sure so we get a chance to understand , because I'm still I'm not seeing nothing that said that she was supposed to die . That's the only thing I'm curious , because I'm still looking this up by man .
I mean , no , I'm looking into that . You don't see , if that's warm across the spider verse like I'm gonna look into that . That was . I was like what ? No way Can you imagine though .
Hmm , I don't know man .
No , no , I'm glad that she didn't , because I'll be like very sad , but I was like that's weird , I'm gonna have to look into that one real like I really don't dive into , that I will take . No , I was like researching now , like Like Hold on .
This is pretty interesting . Already . Some people have already making these specific words . They're using this specific verbiage , where we'll talk more obviously more about it tomorrow . Uh , something about her canon event pennies . Canon event actually has something majorly happened with venom as well , where venom is .
But this is very interesting because that universe , venom must be very different .
Venom is a symbiote that has to take on a living persona , but even though , like , she has this psychological connection with her robot , she has a psychological connection to the spider that's inside of the robot , so that's how she's able to make the robot do whatever , whatever it is that she wants it to do , and stuff .
But apparently venom takes over the robot in her universe . But they already mentioned but it's already used specific verbiage that her canon event is this a lot of verbiage , and marvel's wiki has changed when it comes to spider-man right now .
A lot of people have changed stuff to mention about the canon event , so that's some very interesting things that's mentioned into that . I ain't saying nothing about hadan , though , so I don't know . We'll pick up on today . I won't probably , like I said , tomorrow , but I'm gonna see on this one .
Yeah , yeah , well , um , did you have anything to add on to this before we close this one ?
I'm ready for tomorrow . I'm ready for tomorrow .
I don't want to say the wrong thing is lord .
Not , that's just the thing . Like , to be perfectly honest , doing into the spider verse was kind of obligatory because I was like it would feel weird to just dive into across the spider verse when we didn't actually do into the spider verse like I was thinking about .
I was like , no , we really didn't do into the spider verse , so like let's just go ahead and get into it , like talk about a little bit , before we like really talk about what we really want to talk about .
Yeah , that's understandable , yeah .
Okay , but you know , into the spider verse . It was very great , like it's been out for about good four or five years now . So if y'all seen it , y'all already know . If you haven't seen it , I don't know what to tell you . Just go watch it .
Like I don't know , like I would have said spoiler , but I was like I didn't think I would have to on this one , but I definitely will on it . Um , we'll do across the spider birth because you know some people probably still haven't seen it yet . But uh , yeah , um , solid villains , solid supporting cast , great representation with mausoleum .
Yeah , great production levels . The whole production level was dope .
Yes , it is production . Delflow was great . All of the different Musicians . I was on there too , like a soundtrack . Yeah , you had jaden smith , nicky minaj , little wane Um post Malone , tight dollar signs , youth world swaley's de-maxed blunt , god Vince staples on the most and the late x temptation . So yeah , oh , I want to .
Ah , you know I'm gonna say board across the spider birth . But I was like bro , when you talk about this .
You probably said that a hundred times this whole time .
Yeah , it's like it's difficult to not like Talk about yeah , I know everything is connected , everything blends together so wonderful .
Yes , yes , all the callbacks , so many callbacks , so many callbacks , to everything .
It's like I'm I'm scared to mention something important without spoiling the movie . That's one of the next movie . It's like Ah right .
¶ Rating and Anticipation for Future Events
But yeah , you know , before we go on make that mistake , let's go ahead and close this one out . Uh , give it a rating bucket Five out of five with a banger . What can I find ?
Five out of five , ten , ten ten .
Yeah no question , no question .
I'll attend the next one . 35 , go watch .
All right , so you heard them all , ladies and gentlemen , 35 , but we'll do it for real next time on the zone park . Okay , you can stay nerdy , my friends , because great things are coming and you know the drill . Follow the links that are Attached to the link Attached to the episodes and every episode . Yeah , let's go ahead and all close this one .
Hey , y'all , take it easy .
All right , ladies .