Treasure Planet: A Stone That the Builders Refused

Treasure Planet , the endearing characters , the fusion of 2D and 3D art , the sharp dialogue , the way the music captures the spirit of adventure , a journey to a planet that has treasure from a thousand planets and a father-son like relationship forming . In the midst of all this , welcome back to the zone podcast .

Yes .

Yes , oh , and here comes Kokugatsu . Now , what's up , kokugatsu ?

Yo Apologizing . What's up man ?

All good . Yes , we got Leah Tanara and Leah's brother , doom Tax on the podcast and , while we're still keeping it rolling , koga Gatsu , how are you feeling about Treasure Planet ?

It's an underrated movie . It is such an underrated movie , it's so good . I just recently watched it with my kids and it is amazing . It's one of those movies that I like it for three main reasons . One you got a protagonist that is actually a classical teenager .

it's like the most classical anime trope that there is yeah , it's really funny that you say that , because I was getting like star wars vibes mixed with uh .

I agree , yeah , I definitely agree . And then , like the second reason is the villain , our main guy .

Anyway , Alright , we got your hand raised . I'm sorry .

No , no , alright , I'm sorry , so Doom Tags here would just like to say on that note is like with that kind of villain , it was a really nice turn of character how Jim helped him in the end to get away , because he had a change of heart , legitimately , and he wanted to go out and be a better person and Jim helped him get there otherwise he would have

I will say just a side note when it comes to concepts of character development . Just remember , this is based off the book Treasure Island right , right right .

Treasure Island it was Treasure Island , and they also had a 1982 movie called Treasure Planet , but we're talking about the 2002 version , of course . But , koki , you had a third point .

I think you had a third point , man speaking on villains is the fact that we also had a very classical villain that not only creeped me out but made me hate roaches even more .

You talking about fucking screw .

Bro , when he cut that rope . Oh my goodness , oh , that was a big move .

I'm like he didn't have to he had to you know , I remember .

Mera was kind of beefing , so yeah , Y'all what . I'm saying you know what I'm saying .

He just said that that was an unexpected turn .

I don't remember the second's name , but seeing him get lost like that , it's like I was not expecting that kind of a main character to get you know shoved out of a lot of holes when Arrow got lost , yeah , when he cut the rope for Arrow , it was like , oh , that was sad .

He when he cut the rope for Arrow , it was like , oh , that was sad , he was such a loyal guy . And one thing I wanted to mention as well , too , is the fact that , like for this particular movie , before I watched the movie I wound up getting the McDonald's toy .

I had Ben , I had John Silver , I had Captain Amelia I was just collecting all of it . Hell yeah , oh yeah . I had Jim Hawkins too . Yeah , yeah , yeah .

I had pretty much all of them . Yeah , I only

It was like .

It's how he died .

Yeah , and the worst part is that the end of the rope has a hook , so it's literally just like and I thought maybe you're supposed to hook it onto something to secure it , and you pull it and it goes up . So I think the reason they did this toy was to make it be like oh no , he got pulled up to safety instead .

He was you know , he was in a conference room and said we want to make children cry just give you an opportunity but I was just pointing out like I'm gonna let y'all finish , but I'm just gonna point out real quick that I don't .

I'm not convinced that treasure plant was just for kids , because the way captain emilia talks it was like bro , I need a fucking dictionary for every time she talks it's like star .

and then also I'm gonna go ahead and throw this in there too we finally found out who CatDog's parents were .

Come on , dog , they're aliens .

I'm just saying . I would like to say one thing about the overall show was one of the things that green-lighted them to be able to do . It was the success of the writers doing the Little Mermaid , which was a $235 million budget . Treasure Planet , at best , only had a $180 million budget because Disney did not want it to go out .

I have so much background information on that . Well , still Are we ready to go into the background ?

of the creation of the show . Yeah , because my main thing is I'm always confused how the hell did this movie flop ? I ?

thought Disney wanted to succeed . Yeah , no , okay .

Here we go . So Ron Clements I think is his last name and John Musker are the guys who spearheaded the Disney renaissance . They did Aladdin , they did Hercules , they did the Little Mermaid , I think they did the Hunchback of Notre Dame .

They did hercules , both extremely successful , extremely profitable , extremely merchandisable just adding , little mermaid did box office 85 million dollars in 89 yeah on that note , I think I have to apologize to Koki Galaxies because we were talking off the record about how we were talking about how Treasure Planet was supposed to be like a antagonist , so to speak ,

I know a lot of that too I remember shrek was supposed to be like a punishment movie . I think we had talked about it , but I think you actually have brought it up .

Uh , prince of egypt , yes , thank you . Prince of egypt was fantastic . It was Prince the Moses movie .

Prince of Egypt .

Prince of Egypt was fantastic , but yeah , I got you yeah , yeah but yeah . So like I do remember reading about the fact that Treasure Planet was one that was like kind of a shot at Disney , was like , look , we can do this , we can make this movie and stuff . So that's probably why I got the idea that it was one that was like this .

So that's probably why I haven't read it well , that's what I was going to get at . So these guys have been trying to get Treasure Island or Treasure Planet made for years and they got postponed , and they got postponed and they finally got greenlit for it .

Who doesn't even come in until halfway through the show , right yeah .

It was like mid .

And they advertised it like a month before Christmas , something like that . It came out in like either November or December of that year and it was up against A just the general holiday shows and Harry Potter , I believe Like one of the Harry Potter films , came out at the exact same time .

Oh , yeah , it was never going to succeed . November , December .

It had to be like . I had to be like Chamber of Secrets or I think Either that or yeah , yeah , yeah .

Definitely was a Sorcerer's Stone . But , yeah , yeah , I was thinking that , or Sorcerer's Stone .

Okay , yeah , it was one of those two .

They definitely hit that to fail on purpose .

So when .

Fredrick Bennett failed in the box office . They said this is proof that general audiences are no longer interested in 2D animation . We are going to close down 2D animation and focus on 3D .

Because at that point , and ironically , the fans are wanting 2D animation . In fact , a lot of fans well , probably not all Disney fans , but apparently anime is fucking crushing it . So , and funny enough , disney is trying to acquire anime .

so the irony is very real here . Well , the problem is just Disney is trying to acquire anime , so the irony is very real here .

The problem is just Disney is just not telling good stories that much anymore .

No , honestly , that's what I was about to say too , or they're probably not rehashing stories that already existed . Yeah , or even like it's funny it's not the first time Disney will do this , of course or last , where they will just go ahead and purposely tank one of their movies and people were like why would you throw money away ?

No disappointment with that movie .

I haven't seen it , but I didn't know when it got released because it came and went so quick .

It was on purpose , it was heavily on purpose .

Ironically , Lightyear had little to no buzz .

Also keep in mind . There was one other movie , and I feel bad because that's how good Disney did about purposely tanking it . I can't even remember the movie , but what I do remember is that it had a gay protagonist . I think it was a trans protagonist .

To be honest , strange world , wasn't that right ?

okay it's not that good .

I haven't seen this . I wouldn't know , but I only recently got a chance to see light year wound up going for rent at my um local library so I had rented it for me and my kids to watch and it wasn't that bad .

I don't think later is like by itself a bad movie , but when it , when you put it into the grander scheme of the story tory toy story franchise it . Um , it's like too progressive for the time period it was supposedly to come out and not really progressive enough for modern audiences . So put it in a weird in between with , like , the gay couple .

Yeah , first of all , it's like it's not a bad movie , but it's not a good movie , and first of all , beautiful they the way I see the light year , the buzz light year um tv show much better in my oh yeah yeah , light year the star command .

Yes , yeah , buzz , light year star command that show was . It's like , for some reason much better in my opinion the Star Command . It was like your Star Command . For some reason , disney so badly wants us to forget it and I don't know why . It was well written . That's what I was wondering too .

They had the old TV series to base the movie off of . Why didn't you go with any of that ?

You can't find them anymore .

I thought it was going to be a remastered pilot episode from the old cartoon , but no , it was okay that was really helpful for uh buzz .

I mean they're rehashing everything . So I mean like the little mermaid on ariel's adventure is , though , that tv show you can't really find unless you like search online for people who've pirated or something . Um , it's not like people who have access to like disney plus , to its full access , where you have access to like the actual vault as well .

I thought they just came out with a Goofy movie 3 . That's all about Max and his friends being adults and having kids .

I don't know about that One second .

I'm going to look it up .

But yeah , at least in all the classic stuff , like at least half the stuff that had goofy and it had max in and that's not . It's like not even getting into goof troop or the goofy movies , just like the old disney specials . It's like , oh , we're having a christmas special .

Here's goofy talking to max about santa and can I bring up my second point before I forget how ? I find it funny how some folks will say Like , okay , say , for instance , way back With Cowboy Bebop , you got a live action Adaptation and Essentially , some folks Like the adaptation , some people didn't , and I'll just leave it at that .

So that's why I'm saying like like , especially if your adaptation shares the name with its source materials . Like what am I supposed to think ? Like you Like . You know like Blade Runner is based off a book , but they detach themselves enough from the book that most people don't know that they don't even share the same name .

Yeah , yeah , okay

Apparently there's a idea for a 2025 goofy movie that's about max and the adults okay , so it takes place like three years later . Yeah , it's a pitched idea okay , so that's what I heard about it .

All right , uh girlfriend which one he's had like three oh uh um roxanne yeah , everyone knows it's roxanne . Which one ? She had like three , roxanne .

Everyone knows it's Roxanne . Roxanne was removed . The movie even removed Roxanne , yeah extremely goofy movie .

She's removed . There's no explanation .

But they got her copy right back . Well , and unfortunately , it does say the plot is three years have passed since the X Games King Max Goof is back with an all new adventure with the whole family to enjoy when Goofy and Sylvia have their honeymoon in LA .

Okay , man , you know what Goofy will get . Max's girlfriend is Roxanne .

Oh , oh , yeah , I missed .

Yeah , it's like I would hope Max or Goofy and Sylvia are getting married .

It doesn't have Roxanne . Roxanne's dad , her dad Really .

Yeah , that would imply that Roxanne would be in it .

Oh yeah , no , there she is . Oh , she'll be coming back . Cool , we got way off topic here . Disney only removed . Roxanne because they lost their copyright over something stupid for a while .

So , on a random topic , I love the fact that they have over 28 sapient species for a movie .

Like a wide competition with Star Wars Right .

Come on .

Like I was just looking through it , there's at least 28 listed information , plus others when it comes to other sapient species in their world .

Like that's a lot of things .

Oh see , what I like about Treasure Planet is that , not only the little attention to detail , in fact I'm trying to think I want to say it was like some sort of space station . I forgot the name , for it was essentially . You remember when they made that shot to where ?

Oh , beautiful transition .

Yeah .

Montressor .

Space uh Montressor Space Montressor .

That's the name of the space port .

Oh , okay , I thought the planet that they were on At the bimbo end .

You're right , you're right , it was around the time of Montressor .

But it's still space port Crescentio .

Yeah , yeah , that must be it , yeah .

Yeah , yeah , yeah , I love the choices they had . Yeah , yeah , that must be it .

Yeah , yeah .

That's fun .

I love the choices they had to combine classic Victorian stuff with the steampunk future .

That was a beautiful one , the steampunk element to it .

Mm-hmm .

Still being able to have the technology of doing . They didn't even really have space lasers either into this one , so they really tried the two of them yeah , that was about it .

But at least Ben , he was kind of funny .

Oh , yeah , ben was hilarious .

But I mean , there's also the fact the parallels of that .

They both lost their memory .

Yeah , yeah . So it's pretty interesting how they wound up having that little aspect , I mean even the eyes , where it's like . Ben's eyes are like green , but it turned blue in the third act of the film , but then C-3PO's was yellow , so it was like even then , but the eye pattern of it is similar .

I'm not sure you know what ?

I'm even less surprised why Disney would want to acquire Star Wars . True , true . I'm just saying I'm even less surprised now and I'm almost like bro .

I swear to god , please add treasure planet , like literally , people have been saying it's just honestly since kingdom hearts 3 like come on , you can do it it's kingdom hearts 3 . they've been wanting to do it , but .

So I don't know I'm excited for Treasure Planet . Now Treasure Planet's been getting a lot more attention because , with all the live action adaptations , everybody I mean everybody keeps saying why not Treasure Planet , why not a lot more attention ?

True , true . I could definitely see both of those actually .

And Atlantis , of course .

Yeah , but man , they've been trying to get like Tom Holland for like Treasure Planet and then they got well , even though he was was cosplaying . But I can kind of see Cole Sprouse as Milo from Atlanta . I can see him in doing that .

I can definitely see him as our main character . Jim , I can definitely see this to be honest , Especially after hearing Uncharted .

Yeah .

I can definitely see that he has the extra young look to work with it .

I would say , very true , I'm not the biggest knowledge base when it comes to the whole Kingdom Hearts thing . But when it comes to Treasure Planet , it'd be kind of hard to introduce some of their technology , considering the fact that look at the what's his name ? The big pirate . He built an entire artificial planet to protect his treasure .

I think it's Star , but that's like a minute moon , let's put it in this aspect here , the closest callback that we have and I know you said you don't play Kingdom Hearts In Kingdom Hearts 3 , every Kingdom Hearts game has a travel segment where you have a gummy ship which is your special spaceship .

I knew you were going that direction .

In Kingdom Hearts 3 , they added treasure spheres which , literally , if you look at them , look like a giant treasure planet from the movie Treasure Planet , and there's multiple of them scattered out throughout various different galaxies that you travel through and you're supposed to collect the treasures from them . Before they lock down , you have a time limit .

That almost sounds like a hidden bow at Treasure Planet , without acknowledging it ?

Oh , of course . Yeah , it was like a wink .

Yeah , so that'd be the closest thing that if they don't do it for Kingdom Hearts 4 , that'd be the closest thing that if they don't do it for kingdom hearts 4 , that's probably the closest easter egg that we may wind up , even having to that per se . So in a sense we may have something .

Also can I throw this out there ? Just a random idea Can you imagine John Silver as a summon and he just uses his arm to just blast your enemies ?

I mean it would be better than Wreck-It Ralph .

I'm not going to lie , wreck-it Ralph was kind of okay , but honestly I would appreciate it way more than Wreck-It Ralph To be able just to pull out that arm mechanical arm . I could definitely see you going at JV . That would be fucking awesome , yeah . What would the Keyblade look like too ?

Well , for real though , like how Billy Bones was saying like beware the cyborg . And funny , I was thinking like , bro , he kind of does remind me of cyborg from Teen Titans , because he got the blade , he got the fucking , um blicky , I like bro yeah .

So even going back as well , can I be honest with you about the professor ? The professor had me for the biggest loop . I swear I thought he was thirst , trapping after Jim's mom . The whole time I was like bro you .

So thirsty for him . Nah , it was like old friend .

And then he leaves and automatically hooks up with the captain . You're just like . You know what .

It's kind of how a lot of this attracts .

You know she's like the rambunctious out there cat , he's the calm collective dog , unless things go weird yeah , and that's the thing let's talk about that real quick where it's like um , they were arguing and you know , like cats and dogs , and I saw it was like kind of cute , obviously , of course .

She's lost her mind , yep .

I'm a doctor , but not that kind of doctor .

It's a doctor , it would be useless .

Nah , I just like the implication . I was like oh , I know , she's not talking about me . I'm like oh excuse me , ma'am , are you drunk ?

Have you seen me ? Are you sure you want me ? The dude couldn't even handle a gun Like literally he wouldn't , so it's like I know how to handle a gun . About damn near killed everyone . We're going to take that from you , but man listen .

He must got pipe because he was able to spit out quadruplets , I mean .

We're not going into that With waltzing dogs . One time can spit out a litter of at least five or six kittens and pups , so we'll leave it at only that .

We're not diving into the question today yet .

Brings up some uncomfortable questions .

Oh gosh .

But yeah ask a random question what was John's race the cyborg ? Yeah , like he kind of looks , oh gosh . I just want to ask a random question what was John's race the cyborg ?

Yeah , like he kind of looks like some kind of dog thing .

Like maybe a dog , but maybe a human , but cyborg .

So he was really called the cyborg from the beginning with the turtle the tortoise . It wasn't a turtle , it was a tortoise , but the tortoise guy that wound up dying , that had the treasure planet key . He only says beware the cyborg .

But Wiki said that he's that cyborg bear like alien Before he lost his limbs .

You know it's like cyborg is what he became .

He wasn't born one . I just looked it up and apparently Disney officialized he is part human part bear , part cyborg . Look at that , he is short of man bear . Yeah , we just took out the pig part . We took out the pig . Are you saying ? This is what ?

happens when the woman yeah , we just took out the pig part , we took out the pig part Are you saying this is what happens when the woman chooses the bear .

That's a very valid question , but we told the dude we won't pick you up .

We're not diving into furries , sorry . Anyway , moving on not diving into furries Anyway . Moving on , but really we got to talk about , obviously , whenever there's an opportunity to talk about best pets . I fucking love Morph .

Yes , I would love a Morph .

Just a little troublemaker .

Oh , it was so amazing . And he was aggravating at the same time yeah , he was like playful .

Here's the thing . It was almost like um , fucking , um , golem to where sometimes he's a hindrance and sometimes he helps . It kind of felt like a little back and forth where , on one hand , morse kind of made it kind of felt like a little back and forth .

Yeah , it's valid . And then Morse wound up being that big clutch that came in handy , onto the fact that I was like I hit it . I disguised myself as it just to kind of help move things along and it wound up being just a great ploy to help them get . They had to get back into the ship and stuff .

Honestly , I'm like thinking like , hold on . I've seen this movie before , I know how this plays out . But when I saw that moment again I was like , oh man , it would suck if Ben fucked this up .

That's poetic irony . Poetic justice , yeah , poetic justice .

It was supposed to be that one last aspect onto it and be like oh , because it made Jim also look bad too . And the fact is , like I secured all the ropes . I know I secured all the ropes and it's like the rope wasn't secured . I was so mad . I mean like for real .

I was like , oh , it wasn't secured . I was like , well , hold on , I made sure I did my shit . And then Emilio was like you know what , I'll deal with you later . And then John Silver was like , oh yeah , I'm so sorry . And then he looked at Scroop and then Scroop was looking all suspicious .

I mean it was a turning point between the captain and his crew , because he looked at him and like how dare you do that ? Not necessarily because he was against killing Arrow , but because he was against blaming Jim Right , like Scrooge totally picked up on that and he's like nope , you're going soft with this kid and that's not right .

We're pirates , oh and he's like nope , you're going soft with this kid and that's not right , we're pirates . Oh , I'm not getting soft , I was just playing the boy . You know , I was just trying to get into his head , just give him to a lower guard and like fall to security , because you know that boy don't got a father .

Like I don't mean , he don't mean . He said to me he gotta mean to me .

Yeah , and that's the beginning of the discrepancy between the crew . Yeah , but I would say the one thing I did want into the movie was getting more , uh , I guess , getting more time with the other members of the crew , because it just kind of felt like they were just . They felt so not there .

Can ? We can we talk about how ? Doppler was the one who hired these people ? So a lot of this shit wouldn't happen if doppler just did a background check on these dudes .

Uh like now we do know , obviously fans of One Piece and fans of Captain Jack Sparrow .

I got you . That's fair enough . But like even then I'll be like just looking up and down , like can I trust these motherfuckers ? I was like hey , hey , man , we're kind of understaffed .

I was like ah fuck it y'all welcome to the group .

Always get that weird hire trust me as far as I can throw you but hey , no for real though you know , it would have been super powerful , like as a cut off point , like to , where you know , when Amelia , amelia , doppler and jim were trying to escape from the mutiny and whatnot .

That would have been an interesting scene . Has anyone else read Treasure planet or treasure island ?

yeah , it's been a while .

I'm sorry , okay because , like with some of these things with the plot , it's like treasure planet sticks surprisingly close to the book . Like , like , even the majority of the character names are the same . It's like Silver is the name Long , john Silver is his name in the book , ben is his name in the book . Jim Hawkins is his name in the book .

They swapped genders on how do I remember , I remember like even arrow by then , we'll read it of course , as I saw , was treasure island the movie , and that has nothing to do with the book ?

probably not , no . I think one thing also that would have been a good thing , that could have helped out into the story too , especially considering the fact that it's still towards family , so it could be still towards children as well is understanding , like my kids tend to have a lot of questions . They're little kids .

Well , they might have seen family pictures at the restaurant when they were there . It's not just that .

It was Silver's team that burnt down the end . They followed Flint . They knew it was Jim Hawkins who had the map .

Yeah , and you know what I like how ?

uh , not Flint but the turtle handed it off to the kid , yeah .

Yeah , I like how , in the end , um , silver was like hey , you know what , it was my bad that I burned down the end . So , to be fair , give that to your mama . Um , rebuild the end . Uh , live your life . Um , are you sure you don't want to come with me ? I'm like nah , I tried my own course , you know , gotta make a future for myself and all that .

Just maybe everyone on link up , you know just apparently that was actually supposed to be part of the plot of the sequel is that it should have been a sequel . They should have continued it on apparently they had had most of the scripts written and majority of the characters developed before Treasure Planet 1 was officially released .

It's been 22 , what 22 years ? So I don't know .

That sounds so familiar . I feel like they used that same segment in another movie and I can't place my finger on it , but I swear I feel like Disney has done that thing where they stole someone else's writing . They pulled an Aubrey Graham Probably .

It sounds like some of the Pirates of the Caribbean . What In ?

space , I mean when you think about it , jim and his first mate going to go save Long John from something .

When you think about it .

I feel like

Treasure Planet is like a blueprint for a lot of the shit that we got nowadays it could be .

I mean mostly with how old it is .

But like a reference point yeah , definitely , I can see that , hmm oh well , remember when Treasure Planet did this and that and I was all right . We need to add that to our movie I mean think about .

Yeah , Disney is very good about recycling stuff all the time and just putting a different picture on it . They used to do that back in old times . I mean , those Disney animators who admitted into the old animators admitted into the fact that a lot of the scenes from different movies were exactly the same .

Especially with some of the older films . It's's like animation has never been cheap , so it made sense to just kind of reuse some of the animation bits , as long as it still like worked in the show oh true , oh true .

And then also understand like even anime does that a lot too . Like old school anime was like the biggest thing into it , where you had one scene where the person had a shocked face and you swear you see the exact same scene at least three times in every single episode I can say this with full honesty .

It's not a dig , but it is a full honesty . From a technical standpoint , anime is cheap as hell . It is made through some of the cheapest means and biggest shortcuts you can possibly take when animating .

I don't know , I'm not kidding . I follow some of the animators . Now I don't know , it's one of those ones . I appreciate the people that work at Mappin Studios because they be killing it on themselves . For them , I have to say in that aspect , nah . But for everybody else I fully agree with you . You're not wrong , Like straight up .

I've had to get into this argument with a lot of people . Because anime looks pretty , People think , oh , if it's pretty it can't be cheap . Because then people look at American cartoons and it's like , oh , the character is a circle , how expensive can that be ? But it's like it's actually more expensive than the majority of the anime .

It's more expensive doing live actions as well too , disney . I'm just saying Disney , you keep doing all these extra live actions , disney , but people are wanting , like JB said , people want to the animation back . Disney . I'm just saying Disney , come on , disney .

At this point . I'm wondering if Disney is trying to tank itself , I'm kind of getting sick of these big companies .

We are not making smart decisions I'm kind of getting sick of these big companies like making these moves to where they they want to acquire things and then realize , oh , we're spending way too much money on things that we actually don't need like .

well , what I don't get is like I bought this property and , instead of just like letting it continue to be this thing , that people like I'm gonna meddle with it until nobody likes it anymore . It's like why did you do that ? Everybody liked it the way it was . Why did you feel the need to change it completely ?

If it ain't broke , don't fix it .

They're trying to fit into culture . That is what it is . Culture changes Instead of creating new . They're just like we're going to recycle the old stuff , because that's only . Let's be realistic . For Disney , most of the good stuff they had was the old stuff . No .

I wouldn't say everything I really liked . There's a few , they're still doing some good stuff , but it's like two movies out of like 10 . Yeah , that's not good disney but hold on .

This reminds me of how I feel . Like over the years I've been wondering like man , I wish they would do some like real cool shit . Like , bro , listen , like 10 years ago if you told me that somebody was trying to do a multiversal project , I would be hyped as fuck . Nowadays I'm like , oh , not another multiverse project , y'all can't get these right .

So here you go well , some of the problem with that too is it's like like , look at all the live action adaptations that disney's doing with its own properties and it's a . Not only are you adapting it to be live action , you're actively trying to quote , unquote , fix things . That was never broken . Why are you doing that ?

Why did you do something that ?

was never broken .

Yeah , Belle didn't need everybody else's satisfaction and stuff . She just kind of went through the flow and most people appreciated it as she was , just as she was .

Right .

Yeah , I could see what you mean on that . I actually never saw the live action Beauty and the Beast . I back and forth some people said they liked it , some people said they hated it and I was like yeah , that's like worth my time to watch it , to be honest .

But like I watched it because , uh , beauty and the beast is my favorite from the disney classics renaissance era . So it's like , yeah , I watched the live action and it's like I , I didn't like it . So it's not a bad movie on its own I'll give it credit there but it's like associating it with the disney movie , because that's that is what it's based off .

It's not based off the original novel , it's based off the disney and it's it's not great game works , depending on the context of the story , to where . That's why I didn't complain too much about the MCU being different from what was comic book canon as long as it worked in movie format .

For something like a lot of these live action adaptations . They insult both the audience and the original media .

That's the main thing . It's like we don't have a problem with things different . It just doesn't work and it doesn't , and that's what they're kind of being deaf to and that's .

That's the reason why . That's the big corporational thing of going back to what used to work .

Is the problem like ? Look at wish , for example here , it is their 100th anniversary movie . They said they were going to return to formula , and it's like the disney classic . Formula is a classic fairy tale with a love story at its core they didn't have any of that and like look everyone dogs on . The animation in wish .

Um , you do need a love story at its core and just have very classic fantasy elements and they they didn't really have any of that I like how you brought that up , because when it comes to the villain , yes , get a villain that's unapologetically evil , but cut it out with this whole . Yeah , I'm evil , what of it ?

That's how you gotta treat every villain you write yeah , I was like I'm gonna have a discussion on villains , and that's just gonna lead straight to oh well , you know what death ?

not really a villain . Death is just death , straight up that . He was clear on that .

He's not a villain right not the character , death , but the theme of death , where um puss in boots was so afraid of death because he was being so reckless with his nine lives that , oh shit , I'm now down to my last life .

I am actually scared , and now that's the real antagonist the fear of dying well , the best thing about the new puss in boots is they gave us three flavors of villain and it worked all three times . It's like you have death as the inevitable force that you just have to come to terms with eventually .

No , yeah , his background they did go , a reason why he's bad , and it's just because he's just bad to the bone .

You know what we probably would have to do a episode at some point maybe , maybe even just do a segue of all the movies , like , I mean , we're already gonna recover his trek , so we might as well just tack that on after that you kind of a shrek puss in Boots review .

Yeah , I don't know , that'd be lame . You'll have to make that one probably extreme , because each Shrek movie has its own elements of why it's great and some of the Puss in Boots movies , like the first and second one together , will probably be like one thing . But that third and fourth one , I don't know .

There's only two Puss in Boots movies . I thought Puss in Boots , the Last Wish was the fourth movie , though no , no there's only two Puss in Boots movies , but there is a Puss in Boots TV series .

See that's probably what happened it's like he's completely on a different , no reoccurring characters , except for Puss in Boots see , that's what got me onto that , because I've watched so much Puss in Boots with my kids .

It doesn't happen .

So fucking good , bro . No , hold on , hold on , so I'm looking ahead . No , no , what so ? It was Puss in Boots in 2011 .

Widow yeah , the Three Diablos is a Puss in Boots short .

Oh , they classified it as a movie . They got classified as actually , well , yeah , film , short film . I see that . Yeah , they classified someone into that one . But yeah , it was pretty awesome , interesting , but yeah , um , we probably have to do a whole segment onto that one . Yeah , we'll do a shrek and put some boots because that that'd be pretty cool .

You really don't decide from the final act .

Yeah , the final act is probably the main thing we really could talk into . But going back about the villains , yeah , we had those two classic villains .

It's a question no , no wait a minute Is Vince Daddy villain . Wait a minute . Wait a minute . Wait a minute , wait a minute . Wait a minute . Wait a minute , wait a minute .

Sorry .

Even though they're not blood related . Does this imply that John Silver is like Vader in a sense ?

Jim was supposed to die .

Like on Real .

Talk . It was John who saved him Trying to escape the ship when they first got to the island that would teleport them to Treasure Planet . When they got to Treasure Planet before they knew that it was actually actual Treasure Planet , he let them get away at that point too , when he tried to go talk to Reason with them .

Oh yeah , the way he jumpstarted his makeshift sailboard at the last minute , I was like , okay , I got one more idea in me and , lucky for him , it worked .

Lucky for everyone , yeah .

But , yeah , aside from that , that was just about it . You know like , honestly , with Treasure Plane , you're thinking like , okay , it's not a deep storyline , to where it's like there's just so much that we have to dissect into the story .

True , true . Now I do want to go ahead and just talk a little bit more about the planet itself , and I just want to mention this because the technology of the planet was very interesting , that move and understanding that they purposely made it seem like oh well , what's the's the treasure ?

It might be the only gateway there I like how jim kind of used to tip this creed uh well , I like to call it to where essentially um plot kicked into it . Okay , the crew was kind of like um , pressuring him with a map was like , okay , where's the um treasure , where's the treasure ?

I mean , of course , but course but anyway , they were about to die , there was no other way that was gonna get out . But , um , oh , yeah , definitely , and I love , I love that little aspect onto what he like chose . It's like so you could choose whatever planet that you want to , and the map has access to the entire universe in itself .

That's some great movie is trying to be the king of the pirates . But can you imagine if Jim kept that thing Into , where he can pretty much Hop to any galaxy that he wants to ? I was like , oh , that's cute , like you can . Only , you only have all the loot On one planet . I'm like I have loot from a thousand planets . That's rookie numbers In my record .

That's rookie numbers in this bracket , True pirate king but also the fact of understanding how greedy the dead pirate was .

I want no one to have my treasure ever . Let me release this map , I will be right here , thank you .

He destroyed it forever , though , like literally . At the point where Ben is like he lost his memory but he ripped it . It was like , oh , his memory cord was ripped out . Yeah , it's all coming back to me , and even the thing about the trap .

And you wanted no one to find it . Why not just destroy the robot ? Yeah .

No , no , he was petty . This was a petty pirate . He was . This is the thing . Understand this . You've built a legend of yourself . People know you across the universe , but everyone thinks that it had to be a fairy tale . Nobody would believe it . And then , finally , you find it and you're like , holy shit , this was real . And then he's like I'm a bitch .

And then kills you , right can you imagine if Goldie Roger read the one piece like that oh my gosh like .

Oh , you thought you're gonna be the next pirate king .

Nah , you dead now yeah , I'm gonna flood the whole world now I mean , god , could you imagine pand like this ?

the mirror , yeah , pandemonium , the have had it . That's how they chose to end one .

No , but that's the funny thing , because Oda did like . I heard that he told this one . I think it was like a cancer patient .

Yeah , it was a kid that had cancer and he told him the ending .

I'm like I kind of want to meet this kid .

Like , hey , man , what do the older tell you ? You want to know . What's the bad part about it . I'm going to Marvel's Spider-Man , that one Spider-Man TV show , spider-man animated TV series , where Spider-Man revealed his secret identity to the little boy .

Yeah , you just find that one .

Oh , like so sweet and also damn . I'll keep your secret forever . I know you will cause .

You'll be dead like hold up it'll be like Pirates of the Caribbean dead men tell no tales bro , no , oh god , no yeah but for reals , though , this is exactly how petty this damn pirate king was like .

This is literally what he was . He was like nah , nah , I want you to find it . I want you to find it , but you're gonna die when you do this . Is what you understand . I'm that petty . I'm not only greedy about the fact that no one can have my treasure . I want you to find it . So you knew it was real .

The funny thing is , I almost wish it was like a PG-13 or even a rated R movie , just for the one instance where you find the bones of Captain Flint and in one hand he has the memory core and on the other hand he has his finger positioned to where he's giving you the middle finger and it's like what the fuck ? Oh boy .

Hey you found the treasure . What Fuck you oh my God , oh my .

God .

I was like what Wait , what are you flipping me off for ? I was like oh , oh , then me off for . I was like , oh . Then Ben would be like , oh . Now I remember he set this planet up to explode . If y'all try to take the treasure , that would explain the middle finger right there somebody's gonna go back and animate .

This is gonna go back record that little segment . This is gonna reanimate that little spot right there .

It doesn't help that Captain Plymouth's almost dressed like old Roderick too .

Honestly yeah , I mean it was supposed to be classic , like , if you're the pirate king , it's one of those ones that you wear your treasure as well too . So I like one of the biggest things about a lot of pirate captains is understanding the history of pirates . I'm not going to go too much into it because that's a long ass story .

We find out that there's like new warlords of the sea , and turns out they were like ex marine admirals .

I wouldn't be surprised . I mean , they work alongside them , per se .

I mean , well , it's more like okay , we won't arrest y'all as long as y'all like kinda help us rein in the lower ranked pirates . You know , I mean not necessarily like enforcers , but more like we kind of need y'all to like rein in everyone else .

Yeah , oh , bro , it's going to be so awesome when I finally watch it . Oh , man , man , it's going to be amazing . But yeah , but no , that's really what it is . It's just the fact that the dude was just petty because , you're right , if he really wanted , he could have just destroyed the treasure all then and there . That's not the point .

Yeah , that's the reason why I would say that with Treasure Planet , it wasn't like the most layered plot , it's just more lines of okay , we need certain things to happen , just to keep the plot moving .

True , true .

It's almost like one of those movies where it works better when you stop asking questions .

You're not wrong on that . That is very true . Yeah , absolutely . I absolutely love and appreciate this movie . It was very well done , very well written , you know , in its best aspect . So I'm not going to say A+ , I'm going to say A yeah , fair enough , I'm only going to say A+ , I'm going to say A yeah fair enough .

He's just going to investigate , and it was . It was giving me green lantern vibes , or you know , like how , essentially like this alien crash , and it was like I'm dying . But before I die , random stranger , take this . Great power comes great responsibility . Don't let the long sideboard take it from you .

I'm sitting here like I can never I like those movies , but I don't ask questions , just make sure the cyborg doesn't get it . I'm sitting here like I like those movies , but I don't , like , I can't imagine me being in that shit , because I'm not going to lie to you If that was faced with that situation . Don't let nobody get this .

Just leave the mask leads to a super weapon that could blow up the whole galaxy . Now you're implicated that you're responsible for the death of the whole .

My responsibility was gone , galaxy , and now you're implicated that you're responsible for the death of the whole . My responsibility was gone when I had no idea how to ask the question of what the fuck was placed in my hand if you can't tell me my favorite character , but my god , do I never want to meet someone like them in real life .

Yeah , because I will not . No , I'm good in real life .

Yeah , If I will not .

I'm good .

That's too much responsibility .

But the fate of the universe lies in your hands .

For y'all who have been listening for a long time for laying bread . Y'all knew , y'all don't know , I don't even play Sims . I don't even play Sims . I don't even play Sims . I have appreciation of the game but I don't play it . There's too much fucking responsibility . You have to control everything for this character .

I mean , there is autopilot , but then again they just act like they just can't . Then you're watching the movie .

I didn't buy a game to watch . That's one of the reasons I don't like Life is Strange . Life is Strange has a beautiful story , but I do not consider that a game . Me and my brothers do not consider that a game , a video game that is considered a cinematic interactive movie . That's what the fuck that is oh , like Uncharted , yes I don't know interactive movie .

Uncharted .

Yes .

I don't know .

Uncharted has those gun battles and you do kind of traverse a little bit , so it has more gameplay . Life is Strange you have Everything else is just walking around and interacting with an item and then you're right back in the movie . Most of the game is that .

Oh man , it's um that choose your own adventure , like what netflix was trying to do . To where , like you just basically , uh , have those choose your own adventure things on the tv to where it's like okay we're gonna show you some um clips and whatnot , and then you , uh , pretty much select the route that it's gonna go and all that look , this is what .

This is the way my brother , this is the way my oldest brother , told me how he classifies video games . If I can put the controller down , go make myself a sandwich , some chips and a drink . Come sit back down , eat said sandwich , chips and drink and I still have not picked my controller back up to play the game again . That's an interactive fucking movie .

Oh , so you're not vibing with civilization , you're not vibing with some foreign , what not you know , those simulator games . You're not vibing with those . Is that what you're ?

telling me Notice , those are not called video games , they're called simulators like stolaris or something . It's a long-term strategy game like yeah long term I won't call those video games . I'm saying they're still games . This is not video games to me . I'm just like no , I can't do it , but either way I don't play .

No you didn't give them this uh laundry list of commands you gotta do back to back and look .

Here's the thing , though I appreciate coding because I'm learning coding , my son's learning coding right now , which lets you know how advanced we are as a civilization right now . That my little boy in first grade is learning how to code just really says enough , um , but still , I love coding .

Yes , I like that . Oh , y'all create it .

We're not going to not robot , don't do this . I know you guys I'm not going to not worry about y'all doing it damn much . But for reals though , yeah , this is for me . I just I'm do not . I cannot find myself in that type of responsibility situation .

Alright , honestly , we just pretty much blazed through the plot of the series . You know , like pretty much John Silver goes off into space , jim becomes one of those . He gets into the . Like pretty much John Silver goes off into space , jim becomes one of those . He gets into the academy . For I think he's trying to be a space cop .

Um .

Yeah , we just pretty much blazed Through the plot . So , um , leah Tanar , you got anything y'all want to add on Before we close this out .

Like I keep saying , one thing I will say about the movie is it is A um for being a space Epic . It's an amazingly loyal Adaptation of the book .

Indeed .

Most of the characters' names are the same . The plot is pretty much the same , even a lot of the little things like Arrow getting lost in space . Yeah , in the book Arrow got lost at sea . Ben was inside the book , a stranded sailor who knew captain flint .

A day years old , realizing that Joseph Gordon-Levitt was voicing Jim . Like wow , okay , I did not know that . I'm like , hey , man , the dude got a track record . Like what can I say ? Like every time I'm look at the credits for okay , who voiced this character , I was like , wait , what , I did not recognize him . But okay , pop off .

He's been on a lot of shit .

So Guffey anything you want to add on .

I pretty much said my main thing into it , Even my little rant about I can't handle that responsibility , so I'm not going to go further . Otherwise , I just love the movie . You know it was still good . It's one of those ones I said I enjoy it . I recently went back and watched it with my kids . My kids were nervous and keep in mind my kids .

I wonder if Talos' ears are burning the way y'all be talking about furries .

I mean , look , I'll be honest , I came close to being in the furry community . I came very close . Okay , what shot me down is the fact that , apparently , I hit the wrong side Of the community . I hit the people .

Was was this on ?

Twitter . No , no , it was actually on TikTok .

Okay , yeah . I don't know if that's better or worse yeah .

So I mean , I kind of I still want to finish my story because it's the story of Curtis the Cocker .

Fair enough . Final word , like I love the movie so much that it inspired the character that I drew , fair enough , alright , with that being said , we're gonna go ahead and close this out . I thank you all for joining me for this episode and I thank the ladies and gentlemen for listening . Stay nerdy , take it easy . And what can I say ?