The Incredibles (1 & 2): Family Dynamics, Villainous Motivations, and the Necessity of Superheroes

We got le , we got Leah , we got Tanar , we got Saitama Smash . And joining me now is Playboy and , without further ado , let's go ahead and zone in on it .

First of all , let me just say this With the Incredibles , I fucking love the first one , like , by the way , excuse me if you hear a lawnmower in the background , apparently it's one of those days where the lawn has to be mowed .

But with the Incredibles , I fucking love this film To a point where , when I had my hands on the DVD , I watched it back to back because it was just that good to me . Watched it back to back because it was just that good to me .

The second one it only took a few re-watches to tell that they were trying to replicate the first film in a sense , but also they were going a different direction with helen and and I don't know . I just didn't like it as much as the first . But let's see Going around the table . Let's start with Leah and Tanara .

How did y'all feel about the Incredibles 1 and 2 ?

When something first comes out , you have to understand like it comes out with this hunger , like I have to make an impression like this is yeah , go big or go home . So once you go big , it's like I made it , I made it , I didn't expect it to get this big . What can I do now ?

So I feel what you were saying when they tried to replicate some things out of one but just couldn't , because that's why it's number one .

But me personally , I like the Incredibles because I don't know , growing up as a kid , I think when Pixar was making these movies back to back , like you , really had to be there growing up as a kid and having the imagination for them to have the full-on effect .

Because still growing up , I still believe that you know I could maybe be as fast as a dad , you feel me . Or obviously I can't do everything else , but maybe get strong . Or maybe I could be as smart as Violet , Something along those sorts . You feel me ?

Or obviously I can't do everything else , but maybe get strong , or maybe I could be as smart as violet something along those sorts . You feel me . The movie just gave me a different I don't know it , just it . Just it just did something for the kid in me at the time now number two , number two . I liked it , but it was how they , how they .

I see , the only thing I can say is I feel like they tried to give a little spotlight on elastic girl just a little bit more , because everybody had their time to shine on the first one , right , but I feel like they just tried to change things around a little bit .

I feel like they really had Something , but the execution Did not go very well . It felt like they didn't stick the landing on Incredibles 2 yeah . Yeah , it was like kinda there Um , which one of y'all guys ? Oh , my bad , you kind of faded in now Playboy , but I got you . I heard you Sight Summit Smash your turn .

How are you feeling about Incredibles 1 and 2 ?

Me being a recent father , I need to see him grow up and I want to see him into either like more of a toddler , to see how toddlers would deal with his powers , or I just want to see him into either , um , like more of a toddler , to see how toddlers would would deal with his powers , or I just want to see him straight up , just turn into a teenager

and see how his emotions would affect his powers , and I want to know how far can this kid get . I want to see if this kid can turn into a franklin richards if he can , oh god , there's no stopping this kid .

I feel like this kid is just mind's the limit With Helen during the second movie that you guys were talking about this is set during the 1960s , where women were not given power , women were not given liberty . Women were like still okay , stick to the kitchen or fuck you . And Helen giving her time to shine was refreshing . I know that I enjoyed it .

Okay , so the first one , though . The first one was really good , but the second one I got more of Jack-Jack . I needed more . I needed more of Jack-Jack . I needed to see how far can this kid go , and he can go so far the kids grew up to , which I loved it .

They relatively got over the whole thing as a family , but it more so focused around the dad . Two , it focused around the mom , but it also gave shine to jack jack and in all honesty I hope they give more shine to jack jack in the upcoming movie . I do . I hope they uh give jack jack like way more screen time . Hey , let this one be him .

Let this be where Jack-Jack is now , about the son's age , his oldest brother , and it's just like , hey , look , give him kind of some of the same traits as a little kid would have . Like , hey , you know , I know I got powers , I can do this and make it where it's . It's like you can , um , you can see .

All right , he's gonna have to be , he's gonna have to learn a lesson .

Let's humble him a little bit but in that same process , with him learning the lesson of , let's make it where he does showcase a lot more of his powers , because while we also said , hey , yeah , he can be the next Superman or he can be the next Brightman , y'all also gotta think he can be the next Superboy crime .

Depending on how they flow in , he could be Superboy crime . He's already got the makings of being quote unquote Superboy , but he could be the be Superboy Prime . He's already got the makings of being quote unquote Superboy , but he could be the next Superboy Prime , truthfully . So overall , to me they got a balance .

It is more like somewhere along the line just became more obvious that , yeah , like they were trying to reskin the first film , but there were some in some areas I felt like y'all could have really had something if you just rewritten certain moments . But I'll get to that when we get to a deep dive .

First one , being a dad of now five children , I am so fucking glad none of my kids have any motherfucking superpowers , because , see , y'all give a highlight to jack jack , which absolutely most , most fucking definitely . Second point is jack jack .

Obviously , yeah , we , we would love to have more screen time of jack jack , but that's not the point of what the second incredibles movie was supposed to be about .

Right , jack jack storyline was just supposed to be a play onto more of what's going on with mr incredible , and it's supposed to be like how he's transitioning for him , because in the first movie he got the biggest highlight sneaking away , trying to still be a hero , getting that opportunity , and it wound up leading to the whole thing that was going on .

Now he's having to transition as being the working dad , now the stay-at-home dad , and that's a big jump coming from me , of course , who I've been the stay-at-home dad since 2021 . It's 2024 right now in our time of recording , depending on whenever you guys listen into it .

You can't copy what the world does , because you're a different parent . Your kids see you as a different parent is very different . You can clearly see that with jack jack . Jack . Jack respects mom . When mom comes home , he's chilling out , he's doing what he's supposed to do . When dad's supposed to be watching him , he's showing his ass .

He's going all over the place . It's power after power , after power , after power , after power , after motherfucking power on this motherfucker . So it's like shit . And that's me .

It was a big speculation because it was estimated that was going to happen , that a lot of dads were going to transition to being stay at home dads .

After the whole pandemic , after the coronavirus pandemic , more people , more men , became stay at home dads and it became a big thing about the fact that , oh , this shit is actually not easy and a lot of that .

A lot of dudes wound up apologizing to women because they're like I am so sorry , I thought this shit was going to be easy , I was fucking wrong , like holy fuck type of shit

. And it became such a big thing that they even encourage you to put being a homemaker on your resume because of the fact that it's like there's a long list of shit you have to do organization maintaining , like appointments , and things like that . You're balancing checkbooks . You thought you was balancing bills before .

Nah , shit , wait till you become a state member . That's a whole different thing .

If you have a daughter , it's gonna come eventually if you have to go with her to the gynecologist .

And incredibles 2 does work as a movie on its own , but at the same time as a direct sequel , I don't know , because on top of that , there were like some moments to where incredibles 2 , like in the very beginning , retcons what happened at the end of incredibles one , mainly the whole underminer shit that was actually my third point .

And so it's like okay , the movie we had years after , but the movie takes place right after the first movie .

But at the end of incredibles one it was implied not confirmed , but implied that now that , oh , the incredible family saved on town from syndrome , it's like okay , this might help your case to making superhero legal again . It was like alluded to that . But in incredibles two it was more like no , it's still illegal .

And on top of it was more like no , it's still illegal . And on top of that it was more like with Jack-Jack , violet and Dash putting on their mask at the end of Incredibles 1 . You're thinking , oh cool , so I'm assuming that superhero work is now legal again , right . And then you get to the dinner scene in Incredibles 2 . It's like , nope , still illegal .

So what the fuck was going on with Incredibles 1 ?

They didn't just jump into and be like , oh yeah , it's all legal again . They didn't just jump into it and be like , oh yeah , it's all legal again .

No , because people were still panicked and still having issues from the reasoning that superheroes were banned in the first place because of the continual cataclysms , the continual fucking the words escaping my brain Casualties , the casualties and shit , everything getting destroyed and all that .

So the second movie's premise , the story was supposed to be that it's getting them back to being legal . It's one of those things like , yeah , it helped our case , you did a great job in the first one , but not everyone is agreeing to it yet .

But the thing is that they sped past that really quickly and so just to close up my point so I can get it back to you , jb , is that the second movie ? It didn't fail in this , but it hit the same issue that Disney has had time and time again with their second movies . Primary example Atlantis , the Lost Empire , the second movie into that .

That wasn't a fucking movie , it was three . It was three seasons of what should have been a series that was quickly melded together into a makeshift movie . It was literally three different .

Like , because these literally could have been three different fucking seasons , because all of a sudden you have three different titanic enemies that they have to take down titanic lost empire there .

And they've done this time and time and various stuff like um some people would say that same thing for lion king 2 , like simba's pride . Simba's pride , I think , was a great movie in itself , but at the same time it sidelined . It sidelined simba and his daughter's relationship . It rushed so fucking quickly . And understand being a dad of two daughters .

That's not something that just oh , this happens in like a couple days and everything is fixed . It can take years to get shit up . Like you make a mistake with your kid , kids naturally hold grudges . They bring the shit back up again because it makes a difference on them growing up .

That's one of the reasons why and I apologize again that I have not released my father's day video .

I highlighted this in my Father's Day video in the fact like I used the Witcher as a primary example , in the fact that in the Witcher game the third one every decision you make makes a difference for Ciri and literally all it takes in that game one conversation dialogue . There's one conversation dialogue .

If you don't give the best response , you are automatically locked into the worst ending of the game , where siri kills herself . And it's like I'm not gonna say it's that full dramatic , it's a piece or like real life , but it's one of those things of like it can make a difference .

What you say , what you do , affects your children and it's like in the Incredibles 2 , there was supposed to be a build into that . You know like Violet was excited . Violet felt like foreign from her , foreign in her time , like for her age group she was already struggling to be accepted .

But she's also a hidden superhero and she's like shit , I'm I'm nervous , I don't know how I'm gonna fit in with everybody . I don't fit in . That's a whole story we could have really delved into . Got rushed out , dash . You know he's finally using his abilities more and becoming more popular . It's kind of affecting things into that for him .

Got rushed , sidelined . We needed more of that . Jack jack , jack jack became so motherfucking popular . There is a fan comic that I read recently that had him what they wound up doing a time skip for all the kids older and jack jack had like , um , his powers grew .

They gave him more powers on top of what he already had and the issue wound up being is the fact that , unfortunately , because of something that went haywire and this is just the fan made comment Jack Jack became a villain and it was like holy shit , his , his , his brother and sister had to take him down because mom and dad couldn't do it and they both died

because they couldn't bring him down . But he brought them down , type shit , and it was like , oh , but it's like , that's how much of a fan favorite Jack Jack wanted to get him Jack Jack's story . We wound up getting a chance to see more of him . We wanted more of him , but his story did not highlight Mr Incredible as much because it was rushed .

In that rushed segment , you know who got more of a highlight from Jack Jack's story ? Edna . Edna Moe got more of a highlight because , goddamn was the fact that she's able to make a fucking suit that can counteract every single one of his motherfucking powers . On point , I was like goddamn , that woman is a genius .

She makes better outfits than that but you can see how in that short moment she got such a big highlight . But we don't get that for everyone else . It is . It's a rush , and I felt like Incredibles 2 would have been better as a series .

That would have been funny as hell . But no , what was I going to say ? Yes , with the characters , some of them got , yeah , a lot of them got sidelined . I'm just going to be straight up to where , and first

you know what . Let's start with Violet , to where she was the main one , to where she was like trying to be reasonable about all this or skeptical about what's going on between the parents . Because it just seems like with the first film it was more like I want to say their involvement was OK .

They just kind of found out that dad Was doing superhero work and what not . But then the second one , it just became more obvious , especially that One scene , to where Helen was Going out and about in her old , her old Costume , I think , with Bob too .

They were like both going out to where they were Going to meet with Endeavor , the Endeavor siblings , about the whole thing with the um mission and she noticed that um helen was wearing the red boots and she knows that , yeah , y'all are up to something .

So there was always a little , a little bit of distrust between the parents and and the kids and I like how Violet was the main one um noticing that shit . Now with Dash , I kind of hated the fact that . Oh well , no , I can't say I hate it .

But um , but Dash , it was like his arc was he wanted to use his super powers more and he even had this whole thing with helen's where it kind of echoes with um bob and syndrome too , but you know the whole parts where , oh , everyone's special , that just means that no one really is and I mean yeah , yeah , but um , that was pretty much his arc in the

first film and then the second one . It was more like he would just need help with um the math homework , but that was more like an arc for bob . To where , like I said , you got to have more patient with these sort of things . To where , uh , you can't just uh , snap up . That's real funny too .

To where , uh , bob was kind of gentle , mediocre lifestyle and he wanted to relive the glory days in the first film and in the second film it's where , yeah , you're going to have to adjust to being a stay-at-home dad , like what Kokugatsu and Saitama was alluding to .

And yeah , I like some of the parallels between the two films , but at the same time it almost feels like the same film when it seems like , okay , bob's secretly doing superhero work and he gets sidelined by the person who hired him .

But in the second film it wasn't really the direct approach , where it wasn't the guy that hired Helen to do superhero work , it was the other one , his sister , and , excuse me , a lot'm going off again , but I like how it felt like it was going the same direction , but it kind of diverted In the second one .

I just Not sure If it was Executed properly , especially with Screenslaver to it . It would have been way more of a surprise if she would say for the big reveal , would say for the near the end , rather than okay , we pretty much knew the mystery of who the Screenslaver was Halfway through . And it just now goes to this whole .

Let me slap goggles On all the superheroes and make people disillusioned by the need for superheroes , because , oh , my dad Got shot down by A guy trying to rob them or something and a superhero wasn't there To save them . So I'm just going to make sure that People understand that Superhero superheroes are not that reliable .

Now I kind of get where that's going for me , but I don't know . Like um I I'm getting something as much as syndromes .

You shouldn't rely on the superheroes too much , like they're still living people , they're still human , they can still make mistakes . Relying on them too much becomes a problem , and that just because you're not a superhero doesn't mean you're incapable something .

Um , I remember watching a different review on the second incredibles and , like so many movies that are coming out right now , just a handful of tweaks to the sequel would have made it just as good , if not better , than the original and in the particular case of Incredibles 2 , if they had had it where everyday people had saved the day and saved the superheroes ,

it would have pushed that message home Instead of having the baby take off Helena's glasses just like . Actually have it where the people save the day .

Between screen slavery and Helen to where where , okay , helen is a mother , she's like the model for traditional woman and that's good , and while with screen slavery , she's more of the modern version . To where , oh , she doesn't have a child but she does have a career , she's making good money and that's fine and dandy .

But it's like they could have had that parallel to where their ideology toward , uh , whether it's career versus family , could have been , uh , more fleshed out in that moment .

Because it's and I wouldn't be nitpicking about that if they didn't have this 2d animation that I think was included in the first incredible , you know , back when incredible was like brand new and they had like , uh , the shorts and all that , you know , with jack , jack and the babysitter and all that .

But they had this 2d black and white animation to where they were out in the cookout . Uh , violent dash wasn't there for that , but I believe it was , uh , bob , helen and jack jack , while , um , you know , helen was holding jack .

Whole point being is that there was this one lady that was criticizing the whole traditional woman model to where , why would I want to stay at home and be a mother Like I got a whole life I'm trying to live in , and blah , blah , blah . And then Helen interjects and it says like you honestly think that being a mother is not a worthwhile path to choose .

You know that sort of thing and it's funny how y'all had that back in the day . But y'all could have had that going on in Incredibles 2 to where you could have had Helen kind of challenged Scream Slave on a more moral level .

You know what I mean , not just as a villain , but more like you sacrifice having a family and having a happy life just for this revenge plot against superheroes , just because , oh , your father was too reliant on superheroes instead of calling the cops and you're just going to blame it on the superhero Instead .

You should have been more critical of your father for being over-reliant on superheroes , where you could have just had them call the cops . But it was like kind of messy with the whole motivation behind Screenslayer . That was the main thing .

Uh , another issue with incredibles 2 is this girl power with no soul , like they want to emphasize helena's . You know , independent , she's more than a mother , but they undercut that so much by a . I get this isn't a helena story , you know .

It is about the dad and his relationship with his kids , which there's nothing wrong with the story like that and stuff like that . But we don't really get to see her quote-unquote working or really any of it from her perspective , not not really . Like . You get scenes , but not much .

And then the whole thing is super undercut by the fact that she turns out to be working for the villain the whole time now hold on um .

Uh well , once again , super undercut , but um , that was the main thing that we got from that .

And then in incredibles 2 , yeah , she was going on missions and whatnot , but the difference was it was more public , to where it's like okay , people know that elastic girl is out and about um doing superhero work with a new suit and her elastic girl motorcycle , which , by the way , the the way she was like traversing with that motorcycle .

That was cool as shit , no doubt , but the whole that yeah , but the whole point being is that while with bob it was more like you guys , keep it hush , hush and whatnot , otherwise we're gonna get punished for secretly doing hero work with her , it's more like it was encouraged , especially with a whole bunch of people , uh , cheering her on and whatnot , you know

. Like she was like um zooming past those onlookers , you know , in the highway , or whether it was like at the planes , where it just seemed like she was getting the celebrity treatment . It was almost like there was no consequence to Helen doing hero work , even though it was supposed to be illegal , which she pointed out .

But with Bob it became more strict to where , yes , like if you get caught doing hero work , that can be , that can jeopardize your family's livelihood and some shit like that .

We've talked about this before and Talos was very , very clear and I I fully agree with him onto it . Not every villain needs to be fully fucking understood . It doesn't need to be oh sobby backstory .

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Where this new meta , to where , okay , let's remake movies , but let's put the villain in the forefront and give people a reason to wear like , oh well , they're not that bad , but it's like no , sometimes the villain just need to be a villain , like sometimes they're just evil and nothing wrong with that if I can be honest , I like the Maleficent movie personally ,

I do .

Fuck that shit , bro . She turned into a motherfucking black dragon .

I'm like oh shit , okay , let me see if we can watch this movie , but then I'm just like why , let me see if we can watch this movie .

It was a giant fucking meteor which wound up being the prison for Doomsday . It's on the way to planet earth , and he was like , oh , he pushed , like it's okay , superman's gonna save us . Superman always saves us . Superman always saves us . And I'm like okay , I can get that whole premise .

You know , like liam brad was also saying like you rely too much on superheroes , and I would even tie this into the boys as well too . The incredibles wanted to dive into superheroes in a realistic point of view , in a realistic ass way .

I mean even so much to the fucking costumes as far as the capes , and you wear a cape and get sucked into a motherfucking jet that's why ed said no capes and the boys did same thing , which I know I told you .

When we get to the boys' review , I'm going to re-talk about the whole plane situation with more of the information I found out Once we get to that review . But the boys it's a more realistic aspect on it as well too , but differently .

Versus you have the Incredibles . These are heroes who want to save the day . They want to get back into the hero business because they have these powers and they know with great power comes great responsibility . I'm supposed to do this versus .

The boys are just like I got powers , I just want to abuse this shit and make money and do whatever the fuck I want to do type shit . And it's like both of those are realist aspects .

Everybody has different mindsets of what they would do if they had superpowers , and so it's like , if you're going to tackle on to that realism , tackling the realism , you know , hey , you know my parents relied too much on superheroes and we were so upset about it .

But it's one of those ones of like , how is it that their brother and sister , but the sister is so heavily on to the point of , oh , they never came . Fuck all superheroes . I hate you all and the all and the brothers like damn , they didn't make it in time , but I still fucking love superhero . How is that ?

They're so completely different , like that , and that's the funny thing too incredible 2 did not flesh out their relationship very well .

It's like we're siblings , that's about it .

But , like I said , they just don't quite hit it home yeah .

But then y'all did have moments where I'm like , okay , I kind of like that they did this , they kind of split , but with the whole thing with Jack-Jack hanging out with Edna and you know he's stuck on that lollipop . You know that one scene and I thought that was kind of cute and all that shit . But I felt like thematically it was half-baked .

It was like y'all could have had something going on , but like there was where if y'all had like added in a little bit more here and there and whatnot , it would have been great . In fact I would have said you know what I would have . I would have been cool like 15 to 30 minutes more of that movie just to flesh out these relationships and whatnot .

You , you know , like between Bob and Violet , bob and Dad , bob and Jack-Jack , helen's relationship with Bob , helen's relationship with her employers and all the other shit . The relationship between the siblings , like if you just gave us more time to invest in how we should feel about where they stand on these certain situations .

Incredibles 1 had significantly more easter eggs than the second movie did . As well too , and it's one of those ones that makes it fantastic to go re-watch it , because if you go to youtube and you find so many people that is like , oh , did you notice this ?

Hey , did you actually read the insurance papers from bob's um boss and understand why it is that that , honestly , he fucking needed to quit that job because they were fucking . That was an evil ass corporation type shit .

Did you read the little sticky notes that was on the boss's um little back door not his back on his back wall and stuff when bob was in his office and like , did you pay attention to how that kid react ?

That kid's reaction from the beginning to the kid's reaction to the end of the movie , when bob had um , when you found out bob was the superhero and stuff , like I loved all the fucking easter eggs and then people noticing them makes me want to go back and watch it again .

When you go back and watch it , pause it and some of those freeze frames you're like holy shit , they put a lot of fucking detail into this first movie . This is fantastic . So for me , like those Easter eggs , that makes it aside from the fact it's a great movie to go back and watch .

But learning these things and going back and re-watching it , it makes it so much more re-watchable to me is the continual amount of Easter eggs and seeing the amount of detail they really put into that first movie .

Syndrome was a great example of how the first movie did . Well , now let me explain . Let's start back to where he was just um buddy pine . To where he was . He was trying to be incredible . He was trying to , uh , be mr incredible . He was trying to Be Mr Incredible's Sidekick . Right , hold on , talos , you got something .

But in his like back story , you know , like when he was syndrome and he was trying to reveal himself to be buddy to mr incredible , you know , in that one scene with the robot and it was different to where he was talking straight at buddy , which is not true . Um , so you can already tell that uh , buddy is kind of misremembering .

Uh , what really ripped down , because what actually happened was he wasn't trying to reject buddy from being his sidekick , it's more like , bro , you are a kid with no powers , this is dangerous , you shouldn't be here . That's the main thing .

Even though it didn't come off on that way , it's more that was more like the attention , but um , buddy took it the wrong way and that pretty much led to him becoming syndrome .

Now , as syndrome there was more stakes because , unlike with screen flavors , where her main thing was trying to discredit the supers , he was actually out there killing supers with this robot then to try to empower the average man to have weapons to where that they don't need supers around anymore .

So , like what um syndrome was saying , well , oh well , with everyone's super , no one will be . And I felt like I feel like he works better as a villain , especially when he came back and tried to kidnap jack jack and I was like , oh well , since all my plan a failed , I might as well go with plan b .

I'm just gonna kidnap your son and make him my sidekick , but that's just me . Uh , tell us what was your rebuttal ?

And the reason why I say syndrome is not , and that's where my take on their movies Really was alright , they didn't relatively have big differences .

Reason being for that Is because , okay , I'm a comic , I'm a comic head , I'm a relatively big time comic head and I follow those big time people that literally , you know , they dig into the know that , like comics is their job . Looking at it no , syndrome wasn't . I'ma be real with you , syndrome . And the other lady . Looking at it no , syndrome wasn't .

I'm going to be real with you , syndrome was Syndrome . And the other lady and which tells you just how irrelevant she was to me they were Batman-esque level at best , and what I mean by Batman-level-esque at best ?

As far as villainy , these would be so low tier villains like you could possibly ignore them and they wouldn't really be a problem until they kicked off , probably maybe the middle of their plan , like they have to be dead set in the middle , and especially with Syndrome , syndrome could have been so much better .

Like Syndrome and I'm , I didn't want to pick at the flaws , but here we are . Syndrome could have been so much Better as far as a villain goes Like sure you're a scorned kid , you want to be a superhero so bad and your idol literally just says , no , hey , you don't need to be here , this is not you , this ain't it .

You can't do anything , you can't help me Because of that . Now you're like , nope , if I can't help you , no one can help you . Like , okay , I get the trope , we get it , that's great , that's fine . You relatively didn't kill any hero that was quite quote unquote notable . If you're going to be that guy , be that guy .

That's why I say on that If you're going to be that guy , be that guy , at least with the other lady . The other lady was hypnotizing heroes that were notable . She hypnotized heroes that were notable . She hypnotized heroes that were notable . So that's why I only give her a slight leg up .

Not even it ain't even a far gap between them , it's still a close one . Like , if syndromes had the relative mindset and really and truly I'm gonna say it like it is syndromes should have been made more Killmonger-esque . If we're going to keep the book , syndrome should have been made more Killmonger-esque and it would have made him so much better .

Like Syndrome , you only killed maybe one hero . That was well , that was even mentioned and I get it . I know I'm probably asking for a lot because it's a kid's show or a kid's movie , but the same token and process . Hey , they could've did better . Same issue with second villain , right Aight , cool , he hypnotized some of the major players and that was a .

You know , that was a decent . That was a decent , decent job . I'm not gonna front you , it was decent . My thing was a decent , decent job . I'm not going to front you , it was decent . My thing was you should have done a little more .

Hey , make it where you're kind of trying to give yourself some powers or something you know , like I know you're trying to discredit heroes and stuff . Give yourself a couple of powers so that way , you know , you hide in the back scenes , you're able to do something Like because you're not relatively . Once again , it's the human factor . I guess it's the .

It's the . I want to say it's the human factor of each one . That was just like you got humans going up against superheroes . Unless you're trying to play this . You know , x-men type of deal and this don't feel like X-Men type of deal , you know . But I digress , go ahead , jeremy .

What about in regards of Lex Luthor ? What a syndrome has that same regards , as far as in that aspect here of wanting to give everyone else powers ? So they're not . Because Lex Luthor his biggest deal is the fact that he's been retconned so many times . I would say Lex L luther , as far as just justice league justice league unlimited .

He absolutely has a hate boner for superman , yes , but his hate boner is not directed at superman specifically because superman is superman , but because of the fact that every fucking body relies on him so goddamn much and he's like it is very fucking possible that we can do shit as well too .

Now , granted , the rating has wound up progressing to just being I just have an absolute hate boner for him . Oh my god , type shit . But the original understanding of Lex Luthor , understanding this fact of like we rely too much we rely too much on the supers .

Here's what Syndrome Is missing out of it . Right , because With Lex , as you said , we've wrecked . They've wrecked Lex so much To the point where now Lex even has powers Like Lex has . Lex has an entirety of powers .

Yeah , obviously . Now the second thing was yes , when I was saying that he was killing all villains . Yes , there was one that was definitely mentioned , but he did kill a lot of them . But didn't that give Screenslaver more credit to where ? Ok , since a lot of the lesser known heroes got killed off ? The lesser known heroes got killed off .

That pretty much means that , oh , she got the big bitches that she can just target because there's less heroes to work with anyway . And the third part is to give Kareem's labor powers . That would make her a hypocrite because she would become the very thing she hated , and that would make her smarter .

And that's my thing with her . That would make her better . But as far as Syndrome goes and going back to what Kofugatsu was saying , believe me , I'm going to be real with you .

And believe me , like I said , asneem Kogatsu said , hey , I would have made Syndrome just a tad bit more smart than what he was .

So she looks better as far as it goes on paper , yeah , but I still feel like you know , I feel like if I'm choosing him , I feel like Westlake had better sense of the word . He was a better villain , like he had more stuff down pat , but he just relatively didn't execute . And , like I said , I don't want to make him dark .

No , no , no , because if we're keeping it to the family , if we're keeping it to a quote-unquote family movie , I ain't worried about family friendly , because family friendly is so defined differently nowadays .

If we're keeping it to a family movie or a kids movie , sure , leave him kind of with the sense of it , but I say , make him a little bit smarter , I mean .

She was trying to , he was bluffing , but Syndrome was calling his bluff like you know what kill it , go ahead . I don't give a shit .

He was missing a little bit With Screenslaver , like legit , hey .

Oh yeah , you know like , hey , you know we're going to take humans and do this Like you're playing on the mutant trope , but you got the wrong set of people . You got the wrong . Well , you got the wrong set of characters , you know .

It was , um , okay the main part , that really got to me was when y'all was comparing the boys to it With the concept of she could go either way , and I really wanted to butt in there because I got powers . I won't say I'd be a hero , but I won't be a villain , but I will be paying people some business . That's all I'm going to say .

I won't be doing nothing outside of what I want to do . I'm not going to You've been .

Um , he could either become , like I say , either good or bad that , that could go many ways he could either be the last cause for saving the day or be the reason that they got to be saved , and honestly I don't know which one I'd rather go with . But I could probably see Jack Jack being bad because he's a baby .

Babies don't know the difference , they just do shit and they be bad . But I don't know , man , I feel like you know how they do things . Like a lot of these movies that come out this like coming out now are like remade from years ago .

You feel like later down the line , jack , jack finally grew up and then they like they wait 20 years to give us this fucking movie . They did without within the chipmunk , I say Alvin and Chilmon started at first and this was a six great for me .

It would make sense , because here's my thing yes , incredible three . This time let the kids have the main spotlight . The parents got to make the spotlight . In fact , you know what I'll put it to you .

Like this , incredibles 2 kind of set this up anyways to where helen had to learn to trust her kids that , okay , now that they're supers and they're growing up they have she has to accept that eventually they're going to be growing enough to where they can handle their own .

So it's going to be a situation to where , yes , the kids this time , because they got powers , they choose to be superheroes give them a chance and then then make it around Jack Jets where , now that he's getting a feel for his powers , is he going to be a great asset or a great liability to the hero line , to where it's like , is he going to turn into a

hero ? Is he going to turn into a villain ? We don't know . That could be explored in a whole fucking movie .

It's like you say she's still trying to be a mother to her kids . So , even though this is , which is good . It's all good , all good , but it's like damn , this is what I'm born for . This like I'm born for this , bro , like literally , this is what I'm born to do , so it's like the movie in itself is beautiful . It's a beautiful concept .

They didn't really miss too much . It's just that I feel like they didn't want to not miss too much to the fact that they could have done a little bit more , like y'all were saying earlier they could have done a little bit more , but it's pixar so it wasn't gonna make it dark or too violent or anything .

Yeah , syndrome you don't fuck with time motherfucker , you don't fuck with time Syndrome has that fucking attitude of like of of Albert Einstein I will fuck with time . I will fuck with time . Well , he's like , yeah , I will fuck with the heroes because I couldn't become a fucking hero .

Dude , he's a little kid who's crying . He's been fucking crying out since God knows how long he's been holding out a grudge and it's only because , fucking , his favorite hero said it's like go home , bitch , I don't fucking need you here . Like , look at me , I can bring down a building . What the fucking you do ? What are you gonna do ?

What are you gonna do ? Tell me , are you gonna shit your pants ? Are you gonna piss your pants a little ? I mean , I got a rocket boot . Oh you Little fucking piece of shit kid , get the fuck out of here .

You want to be a hero so badly ? Okay , fine , I'll train you to be a hero , but you gotta push yourself to an ultimate limit . What is a kid gonna do ? This isn't fucking Batman and Robin . You can't train them . This isn't my Hero Academia . This isn't my Hero Academia . Oh , fuck , look , yes , I could agree on many points here .

Yeah , a lot of the heroes could have had their moment to be like , oh , I'm a hero , oh , no , I'm a villain . Look , who's about to fucking tear the city apart in a few . I'm a villain , like who's about to fucking tear the city apart and do shit . No , I mean , obviously that wouldn't be a story .

If it would've been a story , it's gonna be for later on . But the first movie was grand , it was beautiful , it would've been a really cool twist and at the end it would've been like guess what , I have powers now . And then just fucking start beating shit out of everybody .

The second movie what pissed me off is like they kind of like rubbed my nipples a little bit where they went like underminers . The new is the new villain . Ready for that shit ? You ready for that shit ? I'm gonna like yeah , yeah , I'm ready for that shit . And and then the movie comes , starts off .

They beat the shit out of him for the next five minutes , five , seven minutes , whatever . They beat the shit out of him and after they're done beating the shit out of him , it's like no , he's not the grandmaster here . You know who else is the grandmaster ?

Some chick that's mind-controlling everybody , or really any person with a toxic trait , you know , being extra manipulative and whatnot . But the second movie was a hit or miss . They . You know what you can say , that you hit it . Yeah , you can say that you hit it .

But at the end of it all it was like I sat down for an hour and 30 minutes and I came out a little angry that I spent an hour . How long was this movie ? Even you know what Google , this movie , even you know what google , google , you're going to tell me how long was the incredibles movie to ? Uh , springtime . Let's see here .

Let's see what we got here for two hours and six minutes well , hold on , hold on .

I'm gonna be so mad cause it's like they pop out a movie and Not only Pixar , but like Disney has been doing this too Well , like they make a movie and there's like so long in between the movies that like so much shit has changed , and like they're parents now and the viewers now most of them are parents now , so they're like , hey , hey , all of this is

very relatable . You want to watch this movie now ? Do you want to enjoy this movie now ? It's very relatable and it's like I waited One , two , three , four , five , six , seven Fucking long . Too fucking long for this movie . Okay , too long for this movie series . Anything Waited way too long for this shit .

But if I were to score this , if I were to score any of this , it would be an 8.5 out of 10 . Fair enough .

Where is my super suit ?

That was the one where , like yeah , yeah , you know what , like , since they love the Last Girl so much , like let's just get her on a bike and you know I had a whole .

I wait for the concert , because then the concert , then that's where the moment shines , that's where they yeah you be .

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