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The Bittersweet Climax of Teen Titans (Season 5): Divided & United, Beast Boy's Coming-of-Age and Starfire's Romance in Tokyo

Jul 23, 20231 hr 49 min
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Finally, we'll walk you through the emotionally charged ending of "Teen Titans"! Digging into why it ended on that cliffhanger and how that compares with other anime series like Dragon Ball Z and Attack on Titan! Unwrapping the family dynamics within the Titans and Beast Boy's upbringing! As we wrap up with the movie, "Trouble in Tokyo", we'll look ahead to fresh projects waiting in the wings. Let's zone in this conclusion to a cult classic cartoon that both adults and teenagers can enjoy!

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Teen Titans Season 5 Discussion

Speaker 1

Ayo , what's good , everybody . It's Jeff Blackestream , kokugasu , kali Hikai and Professor Tuck with Season 5 of Team Titans and , without further ado , let's go ahead and zone in on it .

We're here , ladies and gentlemen , like it's been a journey , but now let's go ahead and talk about this final season and , unlike the previous seasons where it had like a part 2 or part 3 to the series finale , I mean season finale , fuck .

With season 5 it starts off with a two-parter and it's with the homecoming where Beast Boyd is reintroduced to well reunited with the Doom Patrol , his former teammates , and they've been captured by the brotherhood of evil led by the brain and Monster Mala who , funny enough , is asking .

I was thinking back in the day like , oh , so y'all could , was Gorilla Grodd too busy ? But turns out that Monster Mala is a cousin and eventual partner of Gorilla Grodd . So I'm like , interesting , starting with Kokugasu , you don't have anything to add on to the first two episodes ? I'm having a hard time hearing you .

Speaker 3

You going in and out . You sound like a weed lad .

Speaker 1

Fuckin' A Well damn . I'm having some technical difficulties with our recording equipment , but for me and Tub , for the most part it was fine , but with Callie and Jeremy it was kinda struggling a little bit . So we're trying to do our best with this one .

I'm sorry , kokugasu , but I think you might have to take a back seat on this one maybe , but we're worried . Alright , how about with Tub ? How you feeling about Season 5 in general ?

Speaker 3

Alright . Well , season 4 was peak , right , but Season 5 did deserve to exist . It was very important . I think a big part of the problem for me with Season 5 was that they leave the tower for such a long time and then we see so many new characters but we don't really get an introduction .

So it makes it feel kinda disconnected , but at the same time , it's still a good season . Nevertheless , I feel like it was good enough to end that season 4 , but since they continued it and they didn't really conclude it like it should have been concluded , that jump was stupid .

Speaker 1

I know I feel like the way they ended with Season 4 . You're thinking like how they gonna top fucking trike on it , right ? That's a fact . Yeah and Callie , same question . First of all , I'm very glad that you're finally joining us on the Teen Type Review , because I really been wanting to get you on to Season 2 . But how you feeling about Season 5 ?

Speaker 2

though it's kinda similar with Tuck . They did really end with Season 4 like being at the peak , but I didn't realize it at first that the main reason why they continued with the Season 5 is just because of how popular the series was . So it was like by popular demand literally by like audiences and stuff like that they decided to make one more season .

And it also gives it a chance to because I didn't realize it at first either that each season , like looking back on it , like during the time I didn't realize it , but looking back on it now , each character has each season is surrounded by excuse me , is focused on . There .

We go focused on a specific character , like Robin obviously has Season 1 , season 4 is Raven , obviously because she's dealing with shit with her dad , and so Season 5 is dealing with Beast Boy . I mean we see that the Doom Patrol is his old group that he was with before , before the Teen Titans , and so we can kinda see a little bit more .

I've always liked the fact that they kind of focused on each member . The only thing is that I feel like Starfire , it gets kind of like left out because Season 2 is focused on Terra .

Speaker 1

Yeah , well , the funny thing about that is I looked into things to where , first of all , like , yeah , starfire , well , cookie got soup . We already talked about it before , tuck , you already know too . But essentially we mentioned how , with Starfire , she always have like an episode or two in every season .

So she may not have her own season , but she does have a whole lot of episodes dedicated to her . But , funny enough , when we get to trouble in Tokyo , they make it sound like oh well , this is Starfire's moment because she didn't get her own season , so let's make the movie about her a little bit .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah , very true , then . That's when they're good to see , finally , the Robin and Starfire romance that's been bubbling for the past five fucking seasons .

Speaker 1

No , no , no , okay , well , we're on . Because you're here now I'm gonna go flash back to Season 2 , to where my favorite episode date with Destiny , you know , the one where he went , robin went to the prom and Starfire was feeling some type of way about it .

Oh my god , yeah , bro , like I was bro , like I was telling Cookie , I said yo , bro , this the one right here , because it was like for the first time , it just seems like with Starfire , what are you saying ? Like you just kind of bugging about me going to this date . It's like you don't even know the girl . You're already bugging , like what's going on ?

You know , there was that whole toxic relationship dynamic that Kitten and Fang had , where it seemed like , okay , they pretty much broke up because something about , oh well , they got into a fight . Maybe Fang wasn't paying enough attention to her , but the thing was he was going out robbing jewelry stores to get jewelry for his girlfriend and I'm just like this .

So this is a relationship between two criminals . It's like okay , I'm like you know what . I'm gonna walk away from this .

But also in Season 2 , there's one thing I made a good point about with Terra as a whole , to where I feel like he is a prime example of the Hedgehog dilemma , to where you go through this trauma , to where it's like you're trying to avoid getting hurt by people and you're also trying to avoid hurting people as a product .

And Terra is more of a stronger personification of it because with her lack of control over her powers she's more of a danger to herself as well as to other people . So that's why she's so distant . From time to time maybe she's like on the run and eventually she gets into the hands of a slave .

And if you know the comic books , it's like okay , it gets a little worse in the comic books , let me just put it to you like that . It's like a spiercky sus red flag kind of relationship .

But for the most part in the series he played a more psychological card because he knows that between her lack of control over her powers and him being this charismatic and confident man that she feel like , oh , I feel I can trust him because I feel like I can actually master my powers if I just listen to him .

But you know how it is , where it seems like the girl who's like trying to find herself ends up dating the bad boy to a degree , and then it kind of fucks up her mental a little bit .

Worse than that , and I feel like the main thing with Tara is that if she had this support system with the Titans , if she met the Titans before she met Slade and before you know , trying to make sure that , um , they don't , that Slade doesn't get into her head , I feel like you play my a lot better , but what did you think about Tara deal and season two

um , I remember watching when I was younger , being , I guess , really upset like she betrayed them .

Speaker 2

But looking back on it now I'm still upset about it . But , like you said , it's one of those dynamics of um . I don't know how old Slade is supposed to be like portrayed . I always like imagine he's probably like in his 30s and

Manipulation and Betrayal in Teen Titans

all the all . The Teen Titans are like literally what ? 15 , 16 , maybe 17 at the most . So it's literally an older guy coming and talking to this young , impressionable girl and she thinks that he understands her and he's manipulating her emotions .

Like you said , it's much more uh , it's a lot ickier in the uh , comic books because they always have , you know , much more of an adult tone .

And this was , this was , of course , made for kids , um , kind of kids I would say , like older , like maybe probably teen , um , teen viewing , but you can still kind of pick up on some of those notes that that there was something more going on up underneath there . But she's , you know , clinging onto him .

She's like , um , doing whatever she wants to for him . Um , because Slade's like I'll be able to take care of you if you need to , if you just need to do this for me against the Teen Titans , and I'll be the one who takes care of you like forever . And of course we end up finding out later on .

Of course he's not gonna follow through because he's a fucking villain and he's evil , um , and so poor Tara has just been manipulating if she finds out too late that the Teen Titans were the ones that really had her best interest in , especially Beast Boy , I mean , he had a , he had a crush on her and everything .

But it gets to the point where it's , you really start to pity her because I mean a lot of people and I I kind of sympathize with that at just being like a young teen and stuff .

Um , you want to be accepted by people that you want to be accepted by , so like older people , you know , when we're , when we're teenagers , we're trying to like act much older than we are . So it's like oh , I'm really really cool , I'm hanging out with older people , like that sort of thing .

I'm not gonna hang out with like my friends or my same age or people they're the same age as me because they're not as cool . It's like gets to stuff like that . So I can kind of sympathize with where she's going and how she was probably feeling at that time .

But of course , like I said , we know that he's manipulating her , he knows that that's how she feels and so that just makes it so much worse that she realizes way too late that the Teen Titans were the ones who wanted to actually take care of her and have her officially join the Teen Titans and everything , but during this entire time she's basically been a

double agent . Um , I think . I think the only time that she didn't run into it was like her very first appearance , right , mm-hmm , yeah , that's right , that's what I was thinking .

Speaker 1

my theory was it may have been one of those scenes where , when she was first on the run away from something , I feel like maybe she met Slade way before then , but it wasn't that obvious and maybe Slade kind of orchestrated that whole chase scene to where it's like okay , um , we're gonna have to play it out , play it off like you go running towards the

Titans with this beast trying to capture you and then the Titans will try to save you and try to befriend you and all that shit and then gain their trust that way .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I could . I could never pinpoint when I was younger if she had already run into Slade or um , if it would happen , if it happened after .

Like I said , that was , like you know , years and years ago when we were watching this , so I could never pinpoint exactly when she had met him , but I know by the second time she ran into the Teen Titans she was already under his control and already like talking to him and doing stuff for him and stuff . Yeah yeah , yeah yeah .

Speaker 1

So with Terra , it's like I feel for her because , um , with her main thing is that she has a lot of control for her powers is like she , um , definitely didn't have a whole strong support system to uh turn to in order for emotional support and to actually learn how to master her powers .

So it I want to say , yeah , it just goes to shows that , um , sometimes it just comes down to surrounding yourself with the right people and your whole fate could be . It's kind of like a butterfly effect in a way is worse , like if you met certain people , or what if you never met certain people , how differently what your life would have been . Oh .

Yeah , that's the main thing . Well , on Tara , it's like it gave me perspective how I have you guys when I'm like bro . I wouldn't imagine how differently my life would have been if I never became friends with you guys , like for real .

Like there's some people that I , to be fair , it's like Not the best experience with them , but in a way it's like ironically if the people that I had the displeasure of Experiencing kind of led me towards the friends that I do have the pleasure of experiencing . You know me , yeah , so it's in a way , yeah , I .

That's why I kind of mainly feel for Tara , because sometimes it's like all you need is like good friends and that can like really boost your confidence and Really give you the drive you need to actually succeed .

Just like on how I was selling a mutual friend of ours I'll let y'all know after the podcast , but a mutual friend of ours and I was talking how like main thing is with being betrayed by folks is that sometimes you got surround yourself with the right people and you Eventually all that trauma starts to like fade out your memory , like because the main thing is

like , even though it's gonna take Weeks , months , maybe even years , maybe even a whole lifetime to heal the trauma , but when you do have good people that you're surrounded by , it's almost like it gets easier as you go .

And it's almost like you're so busy filling your head with good memories with the good people that eventually All the bad memories just become a memory . Yeah , oh , that's why I was going with all that . Let's try to keep it on track with season five .

Teen Titans

Ah , okay , guys , who ? He said that ? Um , with his side he won't be able to keep up with us , but he did leave us some notes . Oh , he was saying that for starters . A great intro as we finally get to include other adult heroes . We know the Justice League exists , but they never show up , even when Tricon destroyed the world .

But seeing the Doom Patrol is a great bring about to have them , or adult heroes and adult villains , or the teen types of face . So , yeah , that is a good point . See , the rest of his nose is gonna be later on , so we'll just do our part with episode three . Trust . The brotherhood evil has begun to plan to eliminate young heroes across the globe .

Will the bees got captured ? Madam Ruse was after a hot spot . Robin meadley heads for Morocco , the tetanus red and that's about it . Oh , a lot of this is just feels like . Oh , this is honestly is like the first time that a season had like a Main or like .

In other words , there was a whole lot of filler season filler episodes of course , but this is the first season to wear . All of it is pretty much Under the same blanket , like it pretty much the whole fight against the brotherhood evil . Everybody's getting like split up and all that . So I kind of like it in that aspect .

But any , anybody got any notes on episode three like anything in particular ? I ?

Speaker 2

Don't know if you saw talking up got . He got kicked out again , so it might just be . He said that he gives up , so it might just be me and you oh my god , okay , no , no , no , that's okay .

Speaker 1

Oh Jesus , that is fine , that's fine . All right , so good , All right . So we just gonna keep it moving . Oh , episode four , for real . Okay , so teen Titans are away dealing with the brother evil Titans , ease , come to jump city , watch over . They got some trouble gaining the acceptance amount of public , because you know they're like this .

It's like having the substitute teacher showing up and it's like man we would you like that . But then we have another control freak episode where he escaped from prison ready to face up against the teen Titans with this series of challenges designed specifically for them .

And Personally , I like how , for the past Three well , season five , so Ever since season two we had like in control freak episode and I like how Good point that cookie got so made in the last , in the last season , to where it's essentially the control freak . It's like having that one guy that you know how .

There's the cool nerds like us and then there's the nerdy nerds . That's like , oh well , if you really know one piece , but it's loopy , do them Absolutely .

Speaker 2

I was like I Mean whenever I think about it like I didn't know the term back then . But we know control freak is what would people would probably call Like a neck beard today .

Speaker 1

Yes .

Speaker 2

Really what he is .

Speaker 1

I'm like bro , like Yo , but um he's literally one of those .

Speaker 2

He's literally one of those guys that Comes up and when we're just talking , if somebody's like having a regular conversation about anime or something , he's the one that like insert himself and go um .

Speaker 1

Actually .

Speaker 2

Go on whatever , because he's like well , I know more about this and I know the lore and I know everything about it .

So you guys have no idea what you're talking about and it's one of those they're having like an inferiority complex , you know , and they're like we just need I need to Make myself seem like I know exactly what I'm talking about by just interrupting Conversations have nothing to do with me .

That's literally what control freak is because , like I said , you've got things going on with Titans East and then control freaks just fucking with the original team , titans .

Speaker 1

Right , and that's really

Teen Titans

funny . Um , where you put that ? Because first of all , that kind of reminds me of Two people one I'm not gonna mention because not really worth my time , but the other one with coca-cola .

Like I still remember when Was it the Wednesday review , when I was like you know , sometimes I I just be bugging when I just come , cross those nerves as like well , actually , and then it's like , apparently I was like , well , no , oh , I remember it was the any yasha review .

Because , yeah , I was like I was making a joke about I didn't even think he was gonna react the way he was , but he was like , uh , I take a fist in that serve , because you know I do that . I was like , but nah , with coca-cola , with coca-cola at least he doesn't come up at an asshole about it .

He's not like one of those neck beard that's like he's pissing you off while correcting you at the same time . So it's different with coca-cola .

But there was this one other guy that we used to know where I'm just like bro , like it's like that one episode of Rick and Morty with the bendicators where Morty was telling Rick Where's like , when you're an asshole , it doesn't matter how right you are . No one wants to give you the satisfaction . That's the main thing .

In fact , that reminds me like a couple of people that we used to fuck with , to where it's like , bro , like you're making a good point and we're not gonna discredit you at the intellectual , but , bro , the way you're wording it makes me want to punch you in the fucking face . That's the thing oh .

Speaker 2

I know I've known way too many people like that . You're right .

Speaker 1

Yeah . So I'm like if you watch your inflection , watch your tone , like the way you worded , then Not to say like you got to be soft about all the damn time . But , bro , like You're coming off kind of offensive , almost like you're belittling my intelligence while trying to correct me . That's what pissed me off . Yeah , where were we ? I Like this one .

This is one where they go to Russia and they're finding some serious creature there and starfire this basically like another starfire episode when she searched for the monster everywhere by herself , gets lost in the blinding snowstorm . Next thing , you know , she gets rescued by this radio after soldier named Red Star I swear at his battle shelter .

He finds out that he got a pretty much Stay in this battle shelter to prevent his power from harm others . So in a way it's kind of like Same thing with Tara , but At least not minus the trauma . Yes , yeah . So when the rest of the time to ride power , they found out that the creatures arrived from Red Star's power .

So breast art decided to join the Titans in defeating the creature . But the battle causes a change in him to where it's Restor , at starfire , to send him out into space where he decided to Pretty much pull up mods and Vegeta and sacrifice himself to destroy this creature . But Unlike Vegeta , he survives and he's now a teen Titan .

But um any notes on episode five None in particular .

Speaker 2

I just always like the fact when they show the Show the Titans , like fighting in different places other than just jump city and being able to see how they interact with other people , like outside . Of course it's gonna be like , I Guess , like super powered people .

I think , like a term that a lot of people are using now is like just like metas , I think that's the term . So they're just meeting with all the new people and I feel like I've always liked that part of teen Titans because in a way , they really suddenly keep expanding the universe and then also it kind of helps .

It kind of helps , um , it kind of gives back , like the watchability , because I didn't even realize it . But now apparently teen Titans the actual teen Titans , not teen Titans go Is on max , which was HBO max . Now it's just max Um yeah .

So I am I'm playing on like doing like another good , like watch through the entire series now that it's available , because I Don't think I've watched it again since the Since it was on Cartoon Network . So I plan on making another watch through of it very , very soon .

Speaker 1

Yeah , honestly , most of the episodes are , like in my head , rent-free anyway , so it's like I Just needed a refresher and I was good to go .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah , I say some of these , it's been such a long time . Other ones kind of like stick out more to me , like the mad mod episode and let's see I'm trying to think of all the other ones a lot of the brotherhood of evil or like the ones like where cyborg infiltrated Like hive . Yeah that one .

So there's like a few of them that like definitely stick out on my mind more . But I'd love to , like I need to go back and rewatch all of it so I can have like a fresh in my mind of oh yeah , this is what this episode of it is about .

And then the main one that sticks in my mind , or the main two , is when Terrod dies , and and Then the one where Starfire goes into the future and none of the Titans are together , because that just like made me super depressed at that time Watching that episode , because I'm like whoa , why is it ? Why does it have to be this way ?

So I've gone on tangent .

Speaker 1

Now you good .

No , it's funny because you know what got to me when we were doing season 4 review with Koukou Yasu and Essentially he was telling me about part one of the season 4 finale , to where essentially , raven was getting prepared to kill herself , all to prevent try gun from Taking over the world , and shit , I was like fuck , I forgot about this episode , but damn , I

didn't even think about it like that until now . Oh , how do you feel about Raven's whole arc with , you know , isolating herself and trying to Control her emotions in order to prevent things from getting worse ?

Speaker 2

It's really interesting because I know that Early on Raven and Tara Didn't like vibe really really well . Tara got along with with everybody at first , especially Beast Boy of course , so some of it may have been sprinkled with a little bit of Jealousy , you know . We know that it's Raven and Beast Boy forever , you know . I . Ship them to . Sorry Tara .

No , I ship them to , so I feel bad but um , so I feel like a lot of it kind of mirrors exactly what Tara was trying to do in the in the second season . Of course , raven is already in the Teen Titans , so that part is a little different .

But you got People always saying that Raven's really , really weird and it's like , well , in the Jewel in her forehead she's got her dad living inside of her head , basically telling her yes , literally rent-free . Let me out so I can destroy the world . Let me take over your body . You be my conduit so I can do what I need to .

This is part of the prophecy , and so she's constantly having to fight against that and that's why I like with season four , when it comes to ahead with everything . With Raven , unlike , you can finally understand what she's been dealing with this entire time and , of course , she's terrified .

She's like the best way for me to do this is to get away from the people I call my friends and Like how we know how the Titans are . They're like no , we need to be there to support you . So she's only trying to do the best she could . So I feel like it's one of those things of Her and Tara can really be .

They have a few parallels , yeah , few parallels in that way where they're trying to dissit themselves Because of the power that they have and they know what they can do , or they don't or , if you , they don't know what they could cause With their powers .

So they're trying to protect the people that they care about , but of course , we know Raven ends up going an entirely different way and actively fighting against her dad . Tara ends up kind of doing the same thing at the end , at the end of season two against Slade .

But she ends up falling in and listening to that little voice that's in her ear , literally , probably , because he's probably using like a transmitter , if I remember correctly , to tell her to do you know , you need to do these things , you need to betray the Titans . They're not actually your friends . I'm the only one who cares about . Okay that sort of .

Speaker 1

Thing . Again reminding me of someone that we used to talk about . We used to talk about , I mean , that we used to know .

But also it's really funny because , um , when you said transmitter , I remember you know how , in the end , where she was wearing that Uniform and all that shit , and I'm like yo , like , first of all , she's telling you , um , this , you got this dude telling you , uh , who your friends are , who's not your friends and all the other shit , and he's basically telling

you what to wear and shit . And I'm like yo , this guy's grooming her . Yeah , that's literally what it is .

Speaker 2

He's grooming her so gross .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I was like and you're we're really lucky that the tv show didn't go as far as the comic books did , because that would definitely be like , yeah , that is like grooming territory , yeah . But uh , was there anything else , uh to Raven's arc that you want to talk about ?

Speaker 2

Um , I think I covered everything specific that I wanted to say , but yeah , just one of those that was one of the main things even when I was younger I noticed was the parallels between her and Tara trying to do very similar things , but they ended up having very different results and Thankfully , raven was able to see that her friends really wanted to take care

for , even if it took some time for her to To to learn that sort of thing . But yeah , that's all . That's all I have about Raven's arc got .

Cyborg's Struggle With Identity and Acceptance

Speaker 1

Ah , I was gonna mention cyborg , but it's like you know , basically , um , brother blood just had like an obsession with his technology . That's about it . Uh , other than that , with cyborg , his main deal was being half man , half machine .

Um , it's one thing to where you have to deal with , like prejudice and whatnot , being a black man or a black person or a person of color , um , regardless . But um , it's like he also had to deal with the fact that he's half machine .

So it's almost like let's get used to the fact that people go and just look at him or treat him differently , but not with the Titans and other folks , obviously . But um , that was his main struggle . It's like , um , his duality between being a man and being part machine as well .

Kind of like with the um , um androids , you know in dragon ball z , to where it's like yeah , 17 , 18 or technically cyborg , and even though we grew up with them you know , growing up with the z fighters , you know 18 , having a kid by krillin and whatnot , and Even though , yeah , they still have reproductive organs and all that , and I'm just thinking like ,

fuck , like I Still forget that y'all are still androids . Like it's also weird how they don't go by their actual names now that they're not under the droids control , like lapis and lazuli . That's their real names online . I'm kind of surprised they don't go back to their original names . But that's beside the point . Uh .

Point being is like uh cyborg having his struggle with uh being a Half man , half machine . Um , do you have anything to add on that ? Because you know you've been Out for most of the reviews , I'm figure , while we still have you on , I know you're fine , um .

Speaker 2

I thought that one of the Most interesting things . I don't . I can never remember that episode as part of that season , but you know when the there's that episode of um , that guy how , I can't even remember what his name is , but he comes to the Teen Titans , he comes to earth and he found you find out like he hates tamarani and stuff like that .

Oh , and so he he calls he calls starfire a truck and you know we end up finding out that it means she . Everybody else thought it means nothing . Like oh yeah , it doesn't mean anything , but it's like no , they literally mean nothing .

Like they think tamarani and you're like the lowest of the low , like we're , we're um , um , where pieces of shit , like nobody cares about us , and so it just makes me . It reminds me of that part where Starfire is like you know what it feels like to be . You know what it feels like to like have people judge you by your appearance .

And then Cyborg goes yeah , I'm half machine and I'm like yeah , not the other obvious part . Like I remember thinking that when I was like eight or nine years old , I'm like I think there might also be another obvious part to this , but okay , I'm calling it . Yeah , I'm like I guess this is a kids show .

They can have the same message , but maybe not hit the nail on the head exactly . But I was like he's also black , but yeah , he is also half machine . And just the fact that Cyborg was like yeah , of course I know what you're talking about . I'm half machine . People judge me by my appearance all the time and then let's see .

There's another part , I think , where Cyborg is talking to , where he's talking to Raven , I think , where she's like no , I'm so weird . And it's like he says Starfire is from space , baseboy is green . I'm half metal . You fit perfectly fine in this group of friends . Like I don't know why you're thinking that you don't fit in .

Like the only person who's , I guess , remotely normal quote unquote is Robin , but it's just because he's just plain human . But he's still got trauma like the rest of them . I mean , he's Dick Grayson , so he had to deal with his parents dying at a young age and then him being taken in by Batman , which is a whole other different thing .

So I'm like they all fit together pretty damn well .

Speaker 1

Pretty well , yeah , so that's what I was making a whole point in Previous parts of the Teen Titans review to where , essentially , there were a group of lost and confused kids trying to find themselves and try to find a family that they can fit in with , and they all pretty much have the same thing going on to essential elements , but different shades of it .

So that's pretty much what the beauty of it is where they found family within themselves , within the team . And , oh man , like the truck episode we made a whole point out of that one to where , essentially , starfire was on the sideboard Don't you ever call me that and I was like whoa , hold on . I thought he said he meant nothing . Like no , no .

Literally it means nothing . And essentially , once all the rest of the Titans caught wind of it , they were like oh hell , no , like you're not gonna talk to Starfire like that , like I mean , because we didn't know what the word meant it's like okay , well , if Starfire seems cool with it , then I guess it means nothing .

But like no , no , no , she's just being real cool about it , even though she knows that value or was being very offensive , and that's what I love .

Speaker 2

That's basically a slur bro .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's like an intergalactic slur . So what else ? Oh well , I think there was like another point I was gonna make , but just for saving time , let's try to move on with the rest of the episodes of season five . Episode six this is the one with Cole and Gennart .

You know , the girl that can transform her whole body into this crystal , and Gennart is pretty much swinger around like a club .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah . Yeah , it was a okay episode Like basically yeah , this one doesn't really stick out to me super like a lot .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I mean yeah , like really , the first two episodes okay , obviously , of course , three through six , it's like okay , well , it's something , it's not bad , just something in between before we get to the later half of the season , which we're about to get into right now . Episode seven , hide and seek .

This is the one where Raven has to pretty much babysit three young superheroes Melvin , timmy , tantrum and Tether to this monastery to avoid interference from Monster Mala and the rest of the Brotherhood of Evil . And you know Raven's on pages being wearing thin dealing with the kids , but Cook guys who have some notes on this .

But before I get into those , can I only be having on episode seven .

Speaker 2

Just the main part is just interesting , excuse me , interesting seeing Raven dealing with like kid , I guess heroes or just dealing with kids in general .

So she's basically having to babysit them , like you said , and just bringing them along , and it's like a different range of emotion because we've seen her have like annoyance with like Beast Boy acting like a literal kid .

I think Beast Boy in this iteration of the Teen Titans I think he's chronologically the youngest , I think Cyborg might be the oldest , but so she's used to like dealing with like people who are immature , but it's funny like literally watching her dealing with children . So I guess that's just like .

My favorite part is just seeing like another , like different side to Raven and like seeing how they like flesh out her emotions and who she is as a person . That's my main note , though .

Speaker 1

Gotcha , gotcha . Yeah , that was the main thing . Aside from , you know , when you find out that Melvin's Teddy Bear was actually real and the fact that this bear is so good at stealth that Raven , even though she can detect people on you know like detect emotions and whatnot she had no idea this bear was even there .

So that's crazy , and on top of that this bear was so huge , you're like wondering how the fuck did this bear fit in the train ? So that's why , other than that , it was okay episode . Now . Funny enough , with Cookie Guys's notes , it wasn't episode seven . He mentioned this , it was actually episode six , but it was a typo .

Basically with the whole thing with Cole and Gnark . It's unavailable on Mac or Amazon Prime Video due to the fact that the young girl , cole , being with a caveman and they living together , it felt like it pushed a little bit of two issues . You know , it's like , even though it was totally baton , it's almost like I don't know young girl with Nyanthro Kageman .

It doesn't look right . That's what they were probably thinking . I was like , okay , well , I didn't think of it that way , but then again , what do I know , I was a kid back then .

Episodes 8-12 Recap and Analysis

Episode eight okay , this is the one where Kid Flash is introduced and the way they got his dreams on YouTube mentioned him like Shadow Tim , by the way , where they did like a tier list or like who's the strongest Titan . They think that Kid Flash is the strongest out of the honorary Titans mainly because , you know , with him being a speedster .

But it's not just about being super fast , it's about accelerating his molecular structure to where he can face walls and create these four texts of wind and all that , all that shit . So that's what made Kid Flash so OP amongst the main other Titans . That's gonna be in this series and it's really funny how that he was introduced this late into the series .

But then again , if he came a little sooner then people would probably wonder whoa y'all . Kid Flash was too busy doing something about this , but essentially with episode eight , while the Titans were away from Jump City , the hype decided to cause panic , but Kid Flash is basically busted up the whole shit .

So with Titans East it's almost like damn , like Kid Flash can pretty much do your job faster than the whole team of people . But that's about it for episode eight . Episode nine , revved up Okay , this one I won't have much to say on it , but it's basically about how this one person , ding dong daddy okay , name goddamn .

Anyways , Steel's a briefcase from Robin that contains his most prized possession , and Robin , the Titans and a bunch of villains are trying to get to it , including Reddx , and essentially they never revealed what the item was .

But that's kind of why I like about cinematic storytelling , where it seems like the fact that you may not know what's in the briefcase , but it's about the fact that it's a musloffin . It's kind of like in Pulp Fiction where you know John Travolta open up the briefcase . You never know what it is , but you can imagine that it's something interesting .

Yeah , that's where I think . Moving on to episode 10 , and I believe look y'all , so we had some notes on this one . Yup , he does . He said that episode 10 had really great moments with the intro of the Teen Titans and how they came together . Okay , remember when you were telling me about cyborg , you know , dealing with being half man , half machine .

Even though this was before his time , it doesn't help that he was wearing a hoodie too . Ah yeah , yeah , because , if you know , with history in the past 10 to 13 years , yeah , there's been a lot of BLM going on about that and it's just kind of almost like a foreshadowing of how , yeah , some people are gonna be misjudged by the way they look .

I also like how , with Thoroughfire , she was like at first , the villain in this one , because you know , she's being from um Outspace and this pretty much tells the origins of the Titans she escapes capture from the Gordianians and Lands on earth , causing mayhem for the town .

Uh , the rest of the Titans tried , uh was just Funny enough , they were just in the right place at the right time and they were trying to calm her down and all that's it . And then , uh , robin was trying to communicate with her , but she was only speaking in Tamerani . I was like , uh , I don't understand you .

And then you know , uh , start right , kiss them and it's okay , gained her language . And it's really funny too , because I think that was the moment where that kind of made robin sprung , because he , because it was like , oh , whoa , hi , you know .

It's like , oh , well , um , you got to take responsibility for what you've done now , oh , but jump , jump a little bit into trouble in tokyo . They go to tokyo . They were like , okay , we don't know the language . So starpara was like , yeah , let me go kiss this one guy . And Okay , now I know japanese and robin philson type of way .

And it kind of remind me of um , you know Spider-man 3 , to where uh Mary Jane got mad at peter for kissing wince daisy the way uh they kissed in Spider-man 1 , but meanwhile Mary Jane did the same thing to fiance dude in spider-man 2 . So what's he talking about ? But again , it's like to be fair in starfire defense .

That's just how our way to learn new languages . So , oh , if you caught feelings for her just because she was just trying to learn a new language , then I'm sorry , dude , but that's on you . But then again you're lucky it still worked out . Where was I ? Um , do you have any notes on Episode 10 , like how they met up in all this shit ?

Speaker 2

Um , Um , it was mainly just that part about her having to like um kissing robin to learn , or I guess not . Maybe not learn , but it's kind of like the Universal translator . Like I know that um , star lord Um from Guardians of the galaxy also has a universal translator so he can literally talk to any being or anything like that .

I think I can't remember if it's like a chip that's in him that he got from the ravagers , but it kind of reminds me of that , of just being able to . It's like , how does this normal person or I mean Starfire is from tamaran but how can this , how is this normal person able to just understand all of these languages all of a sudden ?

And so they're like oh wait , a second , we need a little piece of um , a little piece of lore where their background , so it makes sense that they can talk to people . And so it's literally just like little goofy stuff like that Um .

So I thought it was really funny that they included it as a kiss and of course , robin's like whoa , that means a different thing on earth . What are you doing ? And she goes I'm just acquiring your language . I can't Speak English , I have to learn it somehow , so that that's just the the goofiest , funniest part of it .

And then I like the fact , too , that this is like it does show us Finally I mean , like we're into like the last season we're finally seeing how the five of them come together and start to work together as a team .

I think , like at the end , you know , like there's a lot of the um tag team attacks that they do , and they're working together like they're Joining their powers , doing whatever , and they have a plan . So it's really nice to see how the team Finally came together .

Well , you would have felt like , okay , maybe this should have been like an earlier episode , like why did you wait until like the fifth season that wasn't even gonna be made to tell us how they came together as a team ? You know .

Speaker 1

I don't know , I guess , um , with , like , like we just said , if you was like season four , uh , if y'all ended it on season four , it would have been fine , like , even if , um , beast boy and Starfire never got their own like season , go on . But , to be fair , just kind of felt like season five was one of those things .

We're okay , well , it's still popular , so let's just keep it going . But at the same time , by the time they were working on season five , they were told , uh , okay , we're gonna have to pull the plug on the whole thing , but they came back with a movie To tie up the . Well , I'll get to it when we get there .

But yeah , like , for the most part , it just felt like season five was just something to do . Um , but let's get into these last three episodes . Uh , koki gatsu said that episode 11 and 12 should have been a two parter , but it was also a great Uh , avengers assemble kind of thing .

You know , uh , all the villains fighting , all the young superheroes , like we get pantheb , mozzie minnow I mean , yeah , mozzie minnow's um , even though they were split up because , um , brother of the evil plan , um , the guy herald and jereco , and the funny thing about jereco is that he is the son of Deathstroke , well slayed in this universe , uh , but instead

of just being introduced as um slays son , you know he's already hero and he's pretty much working with the titans . So I was always kind of curious Were they going to ever Mention that part ? But I guess not . Uh , not the way they entered uh ended the series . So I I guess that's never gonna be the series canon .

But yeah , uh , for the most part it just seems like okay , titans the main titans return . Uh , brother of evil launched their final attack . Uh , they split up the titans and Beast boy leaves a small group of honorary titans to uh rescue the rest of the teen titans and the doom control and ultimately freeze them all from being frozen by the brain .

And you know , this big fight breaks out . Kit flats and jinx shows up as a couple . Uh , you know it's funny , uh , people saying that they were trying to ship cyborg and jinx together , and I was with it at first . But as soon as bubble be shoulder , I was like , okay , well , um , I don't think . I think cyborg can move on , I think you move on .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I think , uh , even in the I will admit , I would watch teen titans go whenever it would come on and stuff like that . When I still had cable over it , like my parents house and everything I think they had jinx going for Cyborg for a decent part of it until they introduced kid flash , and then I think she got interested in him .

So at first I was the exact same way . I shipped jinx and cyborg and then it switched to cyborg and bubble bee because I'm like she's perfect . I mean she , because I think when they introduced her she was infiltrating Hive as well , yeah , and so I feel like the two of them have like a really , really good understanding of each other .

So I now I'm like , okay , well , maybe jinx and cyborg is okay , but but cyborg and bubble bee are definitely the better couple out of the two .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's like saying , if you watch Naruto and if you ship Naruto and sakura , it's like , yeah , at first we were kind of hoping for that . But when you see that Hinata has feelings for Naruto , it's like , oh well , if it doesn't work out with sakura , like a bro , you got another option way over there .

Speaker 2

Uh , it's just , I was never a person who ever shipped Naruto and sakura . I always liked Hinata and Naruto , right , because I liked the idea of the shy girl getting the loud rim rimbunctious guy , even though , you know , it took him what ?

Three , four years to realize that she liked him , because he finally acknowledged it when they were like 16 during the pain war . So you know , and then I always , I also always like Sasuke and sakura and I got so much shit for it . Where other people are like no , it's Sasuke , you know , I'm like that's disgusting , that's not even right .

So I've had to deal with all those shipping , wars and stuff like that . Growing up , I'm just like Now , now , look , now , look , what's canon . Okay , so let's see , look who won . It's me and they actually go really , really well together right .

Speaker 1

Like me , personally , I always ship Naruto Hinata together anyways , because , you know , with the very first episode they made it obvious where Naruto trying to do the clone juu suu you know he's gonna fail , but he not . It was like do your best , naruto , and I was like , yep , that's the one right there . Uh , so , episode 13 , things change .

Oh , this is the one . So cooking got to me a good point in his nose to where , essentially , this is how , when , when . No , it also not only does . This episode kind of touches on addiction to the past and our struggle to move on , but it also pays a little homage to 50 first dates . But it's like , essentially , here's , here's my theory .

My theory is that , when things change , um , the titans return from their adventures fighting off the evil . Um , they find out that Terra is out and about and these boys trying to find her , draw her memory of things and all that stuff .

But he fails and ultimately she tells him that she isn't the hero that he thinks she is and that things aren't how he remembers them and that she can't be friends with him again . Now , keep in mind Can't be friends with him again .

So she , she had her powers and she had her memories , but Remember what we just talked about with season two , to where essentially she was a double-aided the whole time . So yeah she . They thinking that she's their friend , but she's thinking I was never really your friend the whole time .

I was just using all to destroy y'all from with them , because this one guy was Impressed at me . But with all that being over with , I just don't feel like you'll , I don't feel comfortable being your friend after all of that . That's the thing .

I'm trying to protect you , but pushing you away and that's that's why I was saying , with the whole hedgehog dilemma , to where it's like it sometimes , that's not keep people at a distance to protect them , not because , oh , suddenly I just don't like you anymore . No , no , no , yeah , but you have any notes on episode 13 ?

Speaker 2

Well , I was gonna say that actually brings up a good point where it's . I Want to tack it . I want to talk about attack on Titan , but I know what happens in the end and there's like a month before they showed this , the series finale . Do you know what happens at the end of attack on Titan ?

I don't want to like give spoilers , but like I Do , but in case anybody Happens to change this .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , I'm sorry . Okay , but hey , listen , we are going to attack on Titan on extreme review later on this year . So by the time that happens , they should already be in a no and we can talk all about it then .

Speaker 2

Okay , cuz there's . There was a parallel that I was gonna bring along with this , talking about with Tara and the hedgehog dilemma , so I will just say that there is an instance of that , I believe , in Attack on Titan that gets revealed more towards the end , but I'm not gonna say exactly how it is or what exactly that it means or anything like that .

But it definitely reminds me of Like the same circumstance of like you know , don't I , I could hurt you , even if I don't want you , even even if I don't want to excuse me , you should stay away . And so I don't know .

There's always that part of me that when she said you know I'm , I Was never actually your friend , I was just trying to trick you guys , that sort of thing . There was still a part of me that like she's like why would you say that ?

That so mean to say that to be spoiled , cuz he's honestly always thought the best of you that I , I could see how much that that would hurt him . So I still feel like , even to this day , she's still saying it , or she said it to protect him .

So she would just , so he would just leave her alone and so she could like try to get on with her life or anything like that .

TV Series Ending Reflection

But I Don't know , watching it when I was a kid it was really hard because I'm like what do you mean ? Like you never liked him . He were obviously getting along really great .

Speaker 1

But I mean , I guess there's just such thing as acting and being a double agent and making it convincing so that that always , that part always hurt me , for it hurt me for these boy right and Me is like at first I didn't fully understand , but over time I was thinking , yeah , okay , and now I see why she Doesn't want to , like associate with him , mainly

because it's not because she doesn't want to , but because it just for his own good , and also because , like she just said , I'm not the hero that he thinks he is .

Things aren't how he remembers them , because it's like , while he's thinking of it , while the Titans were thinking of it in one way , tears , thinking of it in a different way to where I'm like , uh-huh , like we just got a whole different perspective on our whole dynamic , so just best to just leave each other alone .

What else about this other than that With this episode , uh , people were saying that , okay , ended on a cliffhanger and it was setting up events , war , trouble in Tokyo to where it's like , okay , well , if you're not satisfied with the way we ended things , at least there's a movie .

But Back in , when I was talking about the season one review , I was saying that maybe people are missing the point of why they Did it the way they did , because keep in mind that when they were just about to get started on season five and maybe a sixth season . They were told that the series got canceled .

So the the fact that they titled this episode things change just goes to show that a Things change . We thought we were gonna do a sixth season , but I guess not , so we have to pretty much end the series on a cliffhanger . Oh , because you know , we had to like move on , and that's in a way , it's like you watch Dragon Ball Z bridge , right .

Speaker 2

I watched a lot of it when I was younger , like when it first started coming out . But like I don't know what's going on in the series anymore or I haven't had like a refresher in a long time , if I'm gonna be honest , well , that's okay , I'm not gonna make any references exactly .

Speaker 1

But the thing is , once they finish these sales saga , they had to stop doing it Because they kept getting these season . This is orders from toy animation because apparently , even though they kept doing it , in every episode , copyright disclaimer , a check out the official release .

We're not trying to , you know , play drugs , anything like that , but apparently that a bridge series was so good that people would go back . If they want to like get a refresher on at least these same saga the freeza saga , the sales saga they can just go back and watch Dragon Ball Z bridge and they like boom , just like that .

But it's almost like saying that with toy animation , like a man , we know you're not really trying to do all that , but you're still kind of derailing people from watching our official release , even though y'all made Dragon Ball Z Kai and like give me , y'all know all how drawing out your whole series is .

So can you blame it for wanting to like get the whole saga's and like a Digestible chunk ? You know I mean . So I Kind of stand for . The whole point of that is , even though there was legal reasons why they had to stop , they made a video saying that spiritually , they thought , okay , well , it just wore the best to just end it right here .

So that's kind of what I like about with this episode right here to where , even though Behind the scenes there's good reason why we're not gonna keep going with more episodes , but the way they ended it there was like , okay , we acknowledge that things are changing , so let's just give you this Symbolism here , so that way y'all know yeah , we're moving on .

Sorry , but Once we're done with this , we're done . So we just might as well just end it on a bitter sweet note , I guess . Yeah , yeah um , was there any notes that you want to add it on to this series ?

Speaker 2

for now here , Um , I can't think of anything else that we haven't already , that we haven't already talked about . So I feel , I feel pretty good , gotcha .

Speaker 1

Gotcha Alrighty . Uh well , that is it for season five . Um , by any chance , do you have a little bit of time to talk about trouble in Tokyo ?

Speaker 2

Do you want to go ahead and talk about it now ? I wasn't sure if you were gonna try to do another episode of Like a separate episode .

Speaker 1

Oh well , considering with cookie guys to and professor took on being out , I would say , okay , we'll do an epilogue party and we would have them back and hopefully , and hopefully . Um , the technical difficulties will be worked out by then and I could just pretty much get there to sense on season five and the movie as well .

But at least with you I know what your schedule . I feel like if there isn't a best time to do it , it would be now .

Speaker 2

Okay , yeah , no problem , we can go ahead .

Speaker 1

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Trouble in Tokyo

right . So trouble in Tokyo , essentially after the events of the season five finale . Uh , the Titans decided that they got attacked by a Japanese ninja named psychotech . They captured him and discovered that psychotech is sent by a man named brush your gun before he mysteriously Vans his after triggering the towers , fire sprinklers .

So they decided , you know what , let's go ahead and go to Tokyo and try to search out for a brush your gun and figure out why the fuck did you Send your ninja to attack our town ?

And upon arriving there , overcoming the language barrier and fighting a gorgolite , um , giant reptile , you know , kind of like a Godzilla knockoff and we were just talking about with starfire um had to kiss his random dude just to figure out the language .

Uh , the titans eventually meet the Tokyo's own supernatural defense force , the Tokyo troopers , led by commander Uehara Daiso . Uh , when they were questioned on brush your gun , daiso claimed that the brush gun is nothing more than an urban legend . Left with no villain to pursue , the titan decided Just enjoyed Tokyo .

While they're there , uh , robin the starfighter decided to go on Tokyo towers , spread their feelings with each other until Robin starts to focus on Brush your gun again and declare that they cannot be anything more than heroes .

Upsetting starfire , and she was like well , I kind of wish we can't be more than just heroes , you know , like why can't we be more than friends , robin ?

Uh , you remember that that one episode stranded , uh , where essentially they got like split up , um , fighting this one monster , and starfire , uh , well , cyborg was trying to tease Robin , calling starfire his girlfriend , and Robin was like she's not my girlfriend , uh , even though she , his heart was pounding and all that shit .

And then Starfight got mad and was like oh , I'm not your girlfriend , I'm not your friend . Like , oh , I can't talk about this right now . And I was like well , if I'm not your girlfriend , then what am I ?

I was like we can't talk about this right now , so I got down and I'm sorry , but I like that episode because , even though starfight had gene with confusion for that moment , it's the implication of it to where you know how , like I was telling cookie guys to and professor took in the last part where you know how Sometimes there might be situations , ships or

friends with benefits that you're fooling around with and at one point one or the other gone be alive . So what are we ? And then the other one's like , uh , it was kind of like that . So now in this movie it's become very clear that they both have feelings for each other .

But they were thinking like , oh well , you know , we're heroes , we don't got a time for all that , but , um , obviously that that's not true .

I mean , come on , like you've seen young justice , you've seen , um , teen Titans versus the Jets , teen Titans versus the Justice League , you know , when they're just forming and basically Nightwing and starfight was already in a relationship , you know it's gonna happen , it's gonna happen .

So In bed , getting a loan robin side to Go out and about , and he got attacked by psychotech and he fights psychotech and ends up pummeling the ninja into the ground and when he doesn't get up , uh , the ninja by the way , robin has been apprehended by Diozo for assumably killing him .

But Elsewhere , starfighters approach and confronted by this little girl , which helped her overcome her depression and make her realize that , despite earlier robin's earlier objections , their romantic feelings for each other are mutual .

And just when she comes to this realization , uh , the mayor of tokyo decided to announce that robin's arrest and orders that all other teen titans must either turn themselves in or leave tokyo . So starfight decided to call the other titans , make a regroup , but brush gun sends out all these minions to uh destroy the titans .

Meanwhile robin was being trained for to a more secure Uh facility . With this little paper bearing the name brush gun fits into the armored car , uh , carry him and basically Bust open the armored car , letting robin escape .

And before I go any further , I like how , with the villains it was more like , okay , you had like this shadowy dude , I kind of look like raven , but it had like a little no mask . Uh , you have the , the robot with the multiple arms , kind of like that doctor octopus kind of deal going on , the cat girl and the blue boy .

That was like saying Sayonara or konichiwa and all that this shit . So in a way it was like having tokyo Brush gun version of the titans , and I guess psychotech is the robin of the pipe . I just let the unparallel to that . Uh , but anyways , where was I , robin , clocked the identity of a shinjuku mugger , you know .

Basically , um , robin was about to get mugged , but robin was like Calling the ambulance but not for me and then just took the robin's clothes and basically running around collecting information about brush gun , and brush gun is in fat reel .

He eventually was founded by uh , well , robin was founded by the tokyo troopers , which led to this whole car chase with him on his motorbike . Uh , robin was surrounded by the tokyo troopers . We thought it was all over until robin decided to put his hands up .

And he wasn't really putting his hands up because he's a surrender and he was putting his hands up because he knew that starfire was by the swoop down and just grab him .

So eventually Starfire takes him to the shrine and they attempt to kiss again and this kind of reminds me of a high school to death little bits , where you know uh , takashi and sayako , you know the blue hair chick . Uh , they pretty much got it on it at shrine , but this is slightly different .

But they were about to kiss , but they were interrupted by the other Titan is showing up and that's when raven decides that , okay , let's break open this book that she found on brush gun , that Brush young was this artist who dreamed of bringing his beloved drawing to life .

Using dark magic , he , the spell , ultimately turned against a young artist and he was transformed into brush gun , where he's just being that paper ink capable of bringing any creation he could imagine to life , pretty much like side from All Naruto's , your food and but at least with um brush gun , at least again like add color to his creations .

So Suddenly he disappeared , supposedly . But robin realized that he did not kill psychotech because he was made up of ink made creature and he was set up to make him look like a criminal . So you know , you know how that mean , where , uh , the mathematical equations on pop it up in the air .

And then it was like robin had that moment where I like , hold the fuck on , so if psychotech was never a real person ? I was set up and they were like , okay , all right , son of batman , use your detective brain . Who could have set you up ? But we'll get to that . Uh , the titans .

They tracked down brush gun to a comic book on factory surprise , surprise , right , uh , where they discovered that brush gun was trapped , wire into this curse printing press that taps into his powers and creates the enemies that the titans have faced .

And it's revealed that he has sent the first psychotech to the titans to summon them to tokyo in order to stop the real Copa who enslaved them . So , in other words , um , the first psychotech that was just a warning , or more like a messenger to the titans , like , hey yo , I need your help because , um , this guy , he has me against his will .

So we find out that the commander daizo , he was the one that I was like , okay , we the whole story with him . I'm sorry , before I Jump a little too fast and I need to slow it down a little bit Hmm , the deal was daizo , was they captured brush gun ?

But then they realized hey , yo , like it's kind of boring without him , like Making other villains because you know there's like nothing to do . So , essentially , y'all Forced this man against his will to create these minions for y'all to pretty much um apprehend and whatnot , just so he can keep a job . Can you believe that shit callie .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , I . I can't believe that because I mean , like you said , if he's doing all this , he's making the monsters and everything it's gonna make him look good . So he real he realizes , hmm , if I keep making brush , a gun , keep making monsters , I'm gonna be seen as a hero in tokyo and people will love me .

And so you mean people do anything for like fame and money and stuff like that . So it kind of just gets back to that Idea of you know , people will do anything to be famous or like be in the limelight , you know .

Speaker 1

Right , so I'm like amen . Sometimes the villain Is always um what you think it is like sometimes the villain can be like the hero in disguise . It's a red herring . Right , and that's the whole thing . That's what I was gonna mention .

How , basically , there was the whole red herring in this movie , to where you're thinking like , okay , you're trying to distract me somehow , but , uh , I'm on to you , but anyways , um , this ends up where okay , oh , I need to back up in my notes . Okay , so Dysos drops in on the titans and forces brush a gun to create more minions .

This mass battles ensues , uh , robins fighting Dysos . Uh , with no options of escape , love , dysos decided to jump into the ink reservoir , um , and decided to take control of brush a gun's magic and transform himself into this hulking massive ink and machinery With brush you gonna add the center of it .

So , as the titans battle , the creature dies or hurls at them . You know this kind of like tied you final boss type shit and that's really funny too , Like there's a man like this movie , essentially like Getting to playing a video game and you just fighting the final boss . That's what it feels like , uh , basically , um , you know , titan , uh , free brush gun .

Uh , dysos lose control of his power and burst brush the gun dies peacefully in robins arms , disappaining his powers and defeating Dysos . And with the battle concluded , robin and starfire finally confessed their feelings for each other to share their first true kiss . And later on , robin's name was cleared . Dysos was sent to prison .

The titans were awarded medals of honor by the mayor and the tokyo citizens for their heroic actions . Uh , sorry boy , I got all that food from that restaurant he was all eating at . Um Japanese girl was all over my boy , beast boy . You know I love tokyo . I was like I feel you , bro , I feel you .

Robin and starfire holding hands confirmed that they became an official couple . Uh , beast boy asked robin if they have to go home . But Uh , uh . Robin was like you know , after all this yeah , because I was how often are we gonna like be kids ? You know what I mean .

You're like your teen , your teenagers like , uh , how often you gonna have um free time to just fool around and shit . So you know , life is short , have fun . And beast boy was like hey , can we go to next ? Uh , to Mexico next time . And raven was like , no , fuck all that . And then the credits roll .

There's this , uh , translated version of the japanese theme song Uh , shout out to puppy , I'm a yumi .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

And that's it . To like what 10 minutes boat ? You know that's pretty much , but you want to add anything on to the movie Kelly ?

Speaker 2

I Guess I just want to say that I was happy that they decided to do just a little bit more to wrap up the , to wrap up the movie , because it looks like so the movie was released so September 15th 2006 , and then so the last let's see and it looks like the last episode of the fifth season came out in mid-January of 2006

Teen Titans and Anime Formats Discussion

. So there was plenty of time for them to like you're working on , like this big movie and everything .

So I'm glad that they actually decided to go through with it and release it , because I think I remember during that time I'm like y'all are just gonna , you know , and on that cliffhanger I remember being like really upset because I hate it when things leave , leave on cliffhangers . So I'm like I need more .

Speaker 1

You can't do this to us .

Speaker 2

Yes . Second of all , how long am I supposed to wait for this like like the whole thing again ? Like referring back to attack on Titan , like why are we stretching out these last like three chapters and doing like this little movie and stuff ?

We're in season four , part three of part a , part part one B or whatever , and I'm like just continue on , just just do the rest of it . Why do you need to keep prolonging it for months or an extra year at a time ? I mean , unless it's like Gonna take more time and they're trying to make sure all the animation looks really , really , really good .

I could understand that , but I'm like why are we doing season four , part three , part a , part B ? Like that's the kind of stuff that makes me crazy , right ? But I'm sorry go ahead , go ahead .

Speaker 1

Oh , I was gonna make a point about a black clover to wear . I like how it black clover .

It seemed like they just kept releasing new episodes Every week , like they were like doing a force rate year or so , and eventually it got to a point to where , okay , they had to take a break on the anime and the manga was still going and now they're talking about bringing back the Anime .

So , yeah , it's like kind of a sweet middle ground to wear , on one hand , sometimes when I ask for too many episodes , but it really depends on the format or when you going with this show , like , for instance , with a dark fantasy story like attack on Titan .

Now I'm like Yo , I feel like it'll be more impactful if it was kept shorter , because at least that way it's like it pump , it packs a bigger punch . When you like , you keep it like as compact as possible .

However , if you have something like one piece to wear , the whole point of the show is like it's not about the Destination , is about the journey , and even though it actually is about a destination , but with the way they go on about the story is like just enjoy the journey on your way to the destination .

So I can kind of respect to where it makes more sense for that one to be a long format series . So yeah , it's like Sometimes it really depends on where you're going .

With this show and with Teen Titans it's one of those shows where it could have just kept going and going if they wanted to , but Unfortunately didn't and at first we were kind of butthurt about it . But Can't be too butthurt if we got young justice .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and that's gonna be sometimes this year that we're gonna do young justice , because I need to figure out my schedule and Figure out how we're gonna go about this , like to a point where there's new stuff coming out and I know Some of the people in the inner circle want to talk about certain things and I'm like , okay , I need to rebalance everything to

see if we can do some of this stuff . So , with young justice , I Want to say it's gonna be somewhere either in September or Somewhere around the holidays , like November or December .

Like I really don't want to be that far away , but it really depends on what reviews we got Cooking up and see , we like move things around to where we can do young justice all a little sooner , because I kind of want to do it , but it is really depends on what else that needs to be . Get it out there first , you know .

But yeah , other than that , I'm pretty much content on the ending of Teen Titans , even though , yeah , would it be great to have a six season , probably , but 20 years from now , I don't know .

Fam , like you know , nowadays , like you get reboots and retellings of things that Ended years ago and it's like hit or miss , like I was telling people , like mutual friends , how I was telling them .

There's this spectrum now when it comes to reboots and retellings , and People were just complaining about the one piece live action , where I'm like , bro , I kind of feel you though , because Not going like , in comparison to the anime , it just don't look right .

But the point being is that you have some shows that are surprisingly great , like try to stampede , and then you might have shows by Vilma , so take that , you will um being is that trying to bring a show back after all ? This time it go one or two ways either it's gonna be Surprisingly good , and you know people are one more I'm letting our real .

We all came up with one more season . It's gonna be either that or Somehow it's gonna be worse than we hoped .

So I always think with Teen Titans it's best , just let it be what it is , especially with the movies where at least they tried to like give us a little more Satisfaction to the series ending , because , okay , we understand that if you don't like this bittersweet clip hanger with season 5 , episode 13 , at least there's a movie that's canon to the series and it's

like okay , well , is this a better ending for y'all . So we're not gonna be like attack on Titan to where it ended , the way ending and people got mad about that . So maybe with the anime they might do an anime exclusive ending . But oh , at least with these guys they were like , okay , let's just put a movie in , like alright , are we cool now ?

But , um , anything you want , add on to the whole series at all . Cali .

Speaker 2

Mmm , nothing else that I can think of .

Speaker 1

All right , all right , um , actually , um , let me just give like 15 more minutes of your time . Let's go back to some of these episodes , like See if I get pick out some . Okay , so I got an episode list right here . How did you feel about Star fires relationship with her sister , black fire ?

Because keep in mind that with black fire she shows up on episode 2 of the first season trying to frame Star fires , trying to befriend everybody . You know , it was like the way I told cookie , I see , in the first Review to where essentially , yeah , she was like laughing at these boys jokes and all that shit .

But sometimes that's a manipulation tatted to where , okay , just laugh at the jokes on long enough and then eventually he's just gonna get comfortable with me and I can just pretty much take over the whole team on that way .

Speaker 2

Yeah , um , let's see . So with Starfire and black fire , I mean I like the fact that they included some of the Well , yeah , that's the only like sibling relationship that we actually get , because they don't show anything for cyborg , they don't show any of the other Robbins or anything like that Of course , during that time and Teen Titans .

So this is the only like sibling relationship that we can actually kind of like look on during Teen Titans . So I like the fact that they expanded that little piece more and you can kind of understand more about Star fires background because the sides Raven , because you know she's the ultimate Well , I probably say ultimate she's one of the best goth waifus .

So I have a very special place in my heart for Raven and so Star fires are very , very close . Second , so , being able to see more of like her background , everything was really really nice growing up .

But Seeing where her sister probably I guess like her older sister , I think , black fire supposed to be a little bit older than Starfire by however old , it kind of gets back to that feeling of when you know we were kids and stuff for a lot of people that have siblings .

You're hanging out with their friends and everything and then your older sibling comes and just because they're older , they're , they seem like they're really , really cool and then so sometimes it feels like your friends are shodding to like , oh , okay , so , whoever's big sister big brother , okay , so , whoever's big sister big brother is really , really cool , I want to

go hang out with them . Like it kind of gets to that point of , um , this is gonna be a really weird comparison , but like with Ed and Eddie , where at the end you can kind of see Eddie's big brother and he's a total fucking jackass . Yeah , really mean .

It kind of gets that point where it's like , okay , well , yeah , of course , it seems like just because they're older , they're cooler . But no , sometimes they're abusive pieces of shit and they're really Manipulative . And I feel like that's one of the things where it is for black fire .

Like black fire didn't do any of that stuff because she Genuinely liked any of Starfire's friends . She did it so she can make Starfire feel isolated , so she would be more likely to detach herself and maybe , if I guess like an , a nice added effect would be Taking over her spot .

I don't know if that was black fire's original plan , from what I remember , but I know that her . The specific part of her plan was to make sure that Starfire Starfire , excuse me felt isolated enough , so maybe she would leave the Teen Titans and just be sad and depressed . Because , I mean , things were going okay at first .

Starfire was like I don't know about my sister being here Maybe this is , maybe this isn't the best and so things were getting along really well and it slowly got to the point where black fire was showing her true colors and You're like oh crap , starfire's sister is like an actual asshole because she is trying to I think it was that she was trying to frame

Starfire for the crimes that she did .

Speaker 1

Yeah , because remember the necklace that she um brought back from this moon that she was at and she gave the star fire and made it seem like Starfire was the one that stole it . But the funny thing was is that the fact that these Alien police officer was trying to apprehend her . Robin realized wait a minute .

Black fire said that she gave star fire that , um , that necklace from that planet that you're speaking of . So it was black fire that stole from your planet and she just trying to frame our friends starfire here . So that's what was pretty much going on .

So not only she was trying to frame on Starfire for crime she committed , but also , like you were saying , it was like saying that if she was got isolated and and Decided , okay , I'm just not gonna fuck with my friends , or any more .

Then if , when she do get captured , it's not like , oh well , it's not like , I have anywhere to go back home to , so I might as well just Ride it out in jail , I guess . So that's the very diabolical plan on black fires .

And it's like not only get her arrested for something she did , but also make her a lesson client to come back home well , not Tamarind home , but earth home . Ah , oh , what's your other episode that I want to talk about ? I want to flash back to season five . Oh , for some reason , but I'm trying to think , damn , I do not .

Oh , now remember the Doom Patrol , specifically these boys relationship with two of them . There is Minto and elastic girl , and no , I'm not talking about the elastic girl from the Incredibles , even though we should do a review on those two movies , because I kind of want to .

But , um , point being is that let's talk family dynamic , since congratulations to you , kelly , for you know , get your master , you're on your way . Yeah , okay , so one more week left .

Family Dynamics and Beast Boy's Insecurities

But let's talk about family dynamics now .

So you have Minto , who is all about this Structure , order and discipline on these boy , but we elastic girl , she's more about nurture , affection and affirmation , and the thing is thing is that these two it kind of reminds you that whole mother father Dynamics where sometimes you have these two people that pull opposite , um , parenting styles .

But ultimately it just left these boy a little insecure about himself to wear . It just seems like , oh well , if he's not getting the Affirmation or the validation that he's getting from his jokes or whatnot , basically , what cookie guys who was mentioning and previous parts where Beast Boy has a lot of self doubt in him . He feels like he had the crack jokes .

That's a coping mechanism for his insecurities and With this family dynamic that he had to wear . It's like he always have to make sure that he's on point , winning surround Minto , but in its most vulnerable point Excuse me and his most vulnerable points he will have elastic girl trying to comfort him .

Like you will see in the comments we wear , he would transform into a fraud , because you know , princess , in the fraud Princess kisses the frog . You know that deal and it was almost like , yeah , it's good to have both , but at the same time it was like it was so polar opposite with the parenting .

It's almost like Minto and elastic girl was fighting each other on how they should go about Beast Boy and Beast Boy just not sure what to do . Is he even doing things right ? And all the other shit . So do you have any perspective on that ? I ?

Speaker 2

I can kind of see where with Beast Boy , like you said , he he kind of takes , like you know , a sun role in the Duke Patrol , at least in this universe , in this iteration of it . And so Elastigirl and Minto are trying to figure out what they need to do with them .

And you know they ended up eventually , you know , parting ways and something like that , because they had a big disagreement about everything , or at least parting ways with Beast Boy .

And that's when Beast Boy decided to go work with the Teen Titans , so him kind of just coming up with these coping mechanisms , because I think he felt like he was always like at the Mercy isn't the right word he felt like he always had to be on his like , on his best .

Since he was the youngest , I mean , he broke into the Duke Patrol's like headquarters and everything , and Minto was really impressed . So and that's when Minto decided to make Beast Boy like an official member of the Duke Patrol . But Beast Boy was already really young at that point .

I mean , like , if he's supposed to be , like you know , 16 or so at this time , he probably did that when he was like 12 or 13 , really young . He's having to kind of like live up to the expectations that was set up for him when he first came in . So he's like , okay , well , now I have to like keep up the spirits , I have to be really , really good .

I need to impress everybody , and so I still feel like you kind of carry that over to the Teen Titans . But instead of it being more like trying to impress like a mother-father figure or anything like that , it's more like okay , how do I find my space ? What's my role in this family with Cyborg , raven , starfire , robin ?

Because Robin is , of course , you know , the leader . He's one that makes all the , he makes all of the choices , and Starfire is still very much , so I would still say kind of like the maternal figure . She's like a big sister figure , at least for Beast Boy , maybe not , maybe like on the same level with Raven , but definitely for Beast Boy , I feel like .

I think Beast Boy is still probably like the youngest out of the group , or I may be just projecting that onto him because he seems the most immature , because he's he just acts the youngest , but he may be the same age as everybody else , but whatever , and you know he's trying to fit in , he's trying to make jokes , with Raven trying to like lighten up like

really dark moments at times . I mean , there's sometimes where he's like cracking jokes during an episode . It's like I don't know if that was the appropriate time for Beast Boy . They could have like taken a different second and of course , he found like a big brother with , with Cyborg .

So he's trying to find his poor Beast Boy has been trying to find his place in the world for this entire time Because I feel like he feels I mean we talked about it there already kind of like a group of misfits there already kind of like all different , but their family like works together Like you know , like Starfire's an alien , raven has her dad living

inside of her head , Cyborg's half metal , whatever . So it still feels like , even though that this is the family that Beast Boy would probably feel the most connected to .

Sometimes it still feels like he's having to like overcompensate and trying to like he's having to reassure himself and others of his role like hey , I belong here and I can see a lot of that with other people like in their lives , with other clients and stuff like that , where they've had to do that .

They're trying to like figure out exactly where they fit in this family , either their chosen family , the one that they decide this is who they want to be with or the family like they were literally born into , trying to figure out where do I fit , what's my role in this and when that sort of thing gets challenged or other people kind of like , bring it into

perspective . It can be a really big point of what's the word ? Trying to find that word . It brings everything into perspective . We'll talk about Beast Boy . I mean we've been talked about this time that , oh crap , I need to continue doing what I'm doing .

I need to reassure people like I belong here , because when that's been challenged it starts to have other people wonder like does this person actually fit in with us ? Do we need to do something different ? Do we need to keep them involved ? And that can cause a lot of inner turmoil with that person .

So I mean it's nice that we finally get a little bit of since this is Beast Boy season , it's nice that we get to get a little bit of more insight in the Piz background .

I mean we got to find out a little bit about what would have happened , I guess , like in the future , when he was , I think by himself he was living in that cage with , when he was like being in a circus or something right .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that was in future poor telling to where , if Starfire was gone and everybody split up , essentially he would be joining a circus . And I was making a joke about how it would be funny , because that's actually smart from the circus owners point of view , because why go out and get all these different animals ?

We can have this beauty guy to make all the animals for you .

Speaker 2

Yeah right , but yeah , that's my , that's my viewpoint on the stuff going on with Beast Boy and the Doom Patrol .

Speaker 1

Gotcha gotcha . What I do like about Beast Boy now that I think about is that in a way Beast Boy and Robin can kind of relate to each other as far as like getting their father figures approval . But the only difference is that Beast Boy at least had a mother figure to get the affirmation from to where with Robin .

That's why it seems like for at least half the series , at least leading up to season four , episode two , the quest where he went to Asia , and I'm going to make a joke about this , but I'm trying to stay on .

Point Point being is that with Robin it was like he took himself way too seriously , while with Beast Boy , because he was able to get that validation from Elastigirl with his jokes , at least he can use the comedy as a COVID mechanism instead of taking himself too seriously like Robin . But funny enough . With Robin it's like him growing with Batman .

It was like I think the main point with Robin is that no matter what happens , like that's why he's probably taking himself so seriously , that's why he's so anal about being a leader and all that shit . I think the main thing is is that he was trying to prove himself , so that way he'll have no reason to go back to Batman .

I mean , come on , he got his ass kicked by Kotaro how are you pronouncing his name Even though the dude cheated and all that shit . And he would think oh man , like I need more training .

Dude went halfway across the world to receive training but didn't even think for a second that he could have just went back to Batman , because you know how it is , with Robin eventually becoming Nightwing to where his whole deal is , that he got so tired of dealing with Batman that he just struck out on his own , so that way he can prove that he doesn't really

need to be on the Batman's wing . And that was pretty much . That's why I kind of liked this like Coco Gazu and Tuck made a point about this during the season four reviews where , yeah , like , no matter what happens , this dude is not going back to that man .

But yeah , like this kind of brings me to a good point , to where yo , like I mentioned this before but , ladies and gentlemen listening , it is more imperative now than ever that these kids growing up now grow up with positive male and female role models . So that's why , Kelly , I'm looking at you .

You know you're doing your thing with your therapy , but you're also expecting kids soon . So I'm like , between you and the husband , like you got to set the standard for society to where it's like we need more healthy relationships , healthy family dynamics , so that way people can like take notes and kind of put a 180 to the way society is going .

Because you got nowadays to where , oh , I don't need no man or don't trust bitches and all these other sayings that people saying . And I'm like , bro , like I understand that y'all are hurt by your experiences , but I don't think the downfall of humanity and decreasing birth rates is going to fix the problem .

It's like you need to like find yourself , like you know , take some accountability for the relationship that you got yourself into . You know , sometimes it's not all your fault , but sometimes you do have to take responsibility for some of the mistakes you may have made .

Like , maybe you ignore some red flags because you know they were all there , was so attractive , they had money and blah , blah , blah , and you just kind of ignore it , All those red flags that led up to your breakup or your divorce , whatever . And I'm like yo . We got to do better for ourselves , that's all I'm saying .

We got to do better for ourselves , if not for only us , but think about your family , like think about the people around you . Like we need , like more positive influences in our communities because we can't be this society that's constantly be ran by assholes , but at the same time , it's like you know I was really doing anything about it .

It's almost like people add , like they're so powerless to do something about it that they just let the world burn .

So , no , like I feel like , if anything , we need to take responsibility for ourselves and , you know , set a better example for other people so that way , you know , we can do better by our future children and grandchildren and all that shit , so they don't have to grope into the bullshit that we're going through today .

But you have anything to add on to that before we close this ? Out .

Speaker 2

Nope , I can't think of anything . You hit the nail on the head .

Speaker 1

That's it . Alright , ladies and gentlemen , that would be

Moving on to New Projects

it .

Maybe we'll do an epilogue party with cookie gods when stuck , if we're if they're interested in talking about season five and the movie , but for the most part , I'm feeling good about all of this and we're going to be moving on to other projects , like we're trying to get our patreon back up on the ground off the ground Sorry , I'm tripping on words now Working

on some things , like some graphic designs for our Instagram and other social media . We're going to be working on some 3D modeling . You know , have our own models to work with when it comes to the 3D printing that I'm going to be doing and a lot of other stuff to make things happen in a huge way .

But until that day comes , we're just going to keep trying to live every day to the best of our ability to become the best version of ourselves in a nerdy way . So until the next episode , ladies and gentlemen , you stay nerdy and remember that great things are coming . We are zoning out .

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