¶ Discussion on Teen Titans
What's good everybody . It's JetBlack Extreme and Kogugatsu with another episode of the zone podcast . Today we decided to finally work on our Super Review on Teen Titans and before we get into it , you're probably wondering okay , so you got Extreme Review . So what's the difference between Super Reviews and Extreme Reviews ?
Now , super Reviews , we're gonna try to keep it between 2-4 parts , so there might be like 4 recording sessions between us as we try to get through the whole thing . And Extreme Reviews , bro , that's like definitely more than 4 . Like , if it's at least 5 , I'm like that's just a straight up Extreme Review right there .
That's what I was saying with Black Clover , where I was like , okay , it has 4 seasons , so that could be a Super Review . But with the movie coming out and the anime possibly returning , I'm like it just got upgraded to Extreme Review . But anyways , we gotta top it to talk about and , without further ado , let's go ahead and zone in on it .
Now it's been 20 years since Teen Titans aired on Cartoon Network and I loved watching this show as a kid . I just wanted to show you guys like Dragon Ball Z , zoys , tenjin Muya , yu-yu Haga , show you just run bolting from school trying to catch the new episodes and shit , and a lot of fans have been petitioning for a 6th season of this show .
But as we go down memory lane and talk about the characters , favorite episodes , notable moments , we'll be addressing why some of the fandom may have missed the point of how and why this series ended the way that it did . We're going to start with season 1 , the protégé season , with Robin and his obsession with Slade .
We're going to be talking about the other Titans 2 a little bit , but it's going to be mainly focused on Robin and Slade for this first part . Here Now , kokugasu , tell me what's your general opinion about Teen Titans .
Okay , so general opinion . First off , I want you to understand this I was already a fan of Hi Hi Puffy on me , yumi .
Yes .
I was a fan of the board head and put that out there like straight up I love Puffy on me , yumi . It was fucking awesome . Hi , hi , puffy on me , yumi , you know that's right , exactly . Anyway , like I actually had wound up following , I wound up trying to follow after the duo and everything , even all the way until the point that they split up .
I love the music . It was always fun , so I want you to understand this . Okay , when the music first came on , when they had first introduced me , I saw the trailers and stuff for the show . It was like this looks interesting as hell , I'm probably going to watch it .
So when it first came on , when it first comes on , it starts off before the Teen Titans are now getting ready to face off against their first villains , their first foes as an actual team , and you like , holy shit , this is going to be amazing . What's going on . This is fucking awesome . I'm about to enjoy this shit .
And then , aside from the fact , the really awesome graphics because even now it's better than graphics . That's what you're , better than a lot of the fucking animations that we look on cart network shit now Like significant better .
You have to listen . I would just tell him myself yo , the animation in Teen Titans . 20 years later it still holds up . Because here's the thing with Glenn Murakami and his creative team they were inspired by anime .
So essentially , teen Titans was one of the first American anime or Murakami , as they say to where essentially their animation style was inspired by anime . And you kind of wonder okay , I can kind of see how it holds up because kind of feels like something we will still watch to this day .
This is true . Like , in all honesty , if Teen Titans had not been as successful as it had been with this animation , and how much people loved it . Let's be realistic . Avatar , the last airbender as great as that series is , the animation probably will be very different or may not have taken off as well as we hope it would .
Literally , because Teen Titans , because the animation Teen Titans , wound up going so well by modified , by mixing together American animation with anime , japanese animation . For the time it is , it was a perfect blend . It was a perfect blend to make comic books feel real and make it feel like they came to life . So it was an excellent job into that .
But , yes , 20 years later , it is significantly better than a lot of the animations from shows that we're looking at nowadays . Like I'd be honest , like , no , my kids be loving watching shows I'm listening here . Like brother animation stretch this significantly cheaper and it is like , oh my God , no . And now the world wants to switch to using AI and AI .
I'm like , I'm like , bro , listen , how do we downgrade from 2003 ? Have you not seen ?
the movie . Look , at some point we're going to have to talk about this movie . Have you not seen the movie Idiocracy ?
Yes , I did , I did .
Okay , so understand that movie is literally happening right now .
I mean , I've been saying that too , so I don't , I'm not even mad . I was like , hey , yo , what you think about , I like , I love it when people make these movies like iRobot and whatnot , and it's like , bro , they've been trying to tell you years ago .
That shit like this is going to happen . The worst part about it is if we want to get in a world where it's a mix of idiotocracy and iRobot , that'd be even worse . That'd be worse than the Matrix .
I'm telling you .
It's like we're just waiting for a robot overlord to tell you what to do . No , but anyway . I just can't .
Yes , my mechanical overlord , as you wish .
Exactly , just absolute nonsense . Yeah , bro , but anyway , but yeah , so animation is fantastic . So I was already excited from that . And then the same song here , then , and then , and then , and then , and then , and then , and then . As soon as you hear the then and then it automatically understands this . They are absolutely copied this .
They pretty much remixed the original 1960s Batman theme Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na Batman . But instead of going Batman , you see the na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na and I'm like , oh shit , it's like old school Batman style . That's what's up .
And then , all of a sudden , na na na na na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na , na na na . Oh yeah , that theme song is in my head Rent free , exactly , exactly .
And then all of a sudden I'm about to say Batman , and all of a sudden , when there's trouble , you know , you call Teen Titans .
Teen Titans .
From their style where they can't see it all Exactly . And then in my brain immediately clicked I said is this Puffy ? I mean , you mean .
Yes .
And I was like oh my god , this is amazing . I'm 10 years old like this is amazing , that's what I'm saying , though .
It's like . Imagine being a middle school kid and you just hearing these trailers coming up about five teenage superheroes trying to make shit happen on their own , and you're just like I fuck with it , like spiritually . I fuck with it .
You say middle school , I was 10 . I was the elementary school .
Amen . To be fair , I am slightly older , so you know .
I know , just like it's a still , but like for real though , we was excited as hell . You be like holy shit , what .
What .
So the whole animation and the music for the opening stays rent free in my head . It stays rent free not just in my head , it stays in my soul . Understand that . It makes me me and it's amazing and it's one of those things that you just like , yes , like obviously . We've memorized the whole theme song , like straight up when there's evil on the attack .
You can rest knowing they got your back , because when the world needs the heroes , on patrol Teen Titans go .
So then I'm just sitting here like fantastic in itself , and then as soon as the sequence ends , of course you wind up in the commercial break and I'm like nah .
I mean , hold on to be fair . Back in the day the commercial was kind of fine , you know , like the free credit report commercial . Like to be fair , I'm like , okay , I'll sit through this commercial .
Nah , for me it wasn't even on this commercial .
No , that's what I'm saying . It's like a mixed bag at this point , but at least the commercial was kind of fire , though .
It really depends on what was on Exactly . Then on top of that , if you want to record something , you had to have like the little special , like special recording thing , because if you didn't have that you would screw it . It was like nope .
If you missed episode , you missed it . Back in my day I had to use this thing in my pub to record my episodes of Teen Titans .
Exactly , and if you didn't have it you was just out of luck , like it was just if it was gone . I'm like , nah , I want to watch my show , but for real though . So the commercial came on , I was like , man , no .
And then you know , finally the episode comes back on and the action sequences are amazing , especially considering the fact that Teen Titans is also one of the first animations during the time that even that started off allowing heroes to punch villains . If you keep that in mind onto this , it wasn't often for the first season .
They didn't really show it like that . It didn't show the punch you would see like still images of like fists was there and then like the enemy was flying back and stuff , because even before Teen Titans we still had Justice League , and Justice League Unlimited was getting ready to come out in time too .
But America still had a big issue about showing heroes like punching and kicking people . So the only time you would see this , villains were always punch and kick , but the heroes would never punch and kick . They would grab and throw down or possibly just hold that hold the enemy down , but they would never punch them .
If a punch had happened , it always happened off camera and you would just see the villain flying , like flying away or something like that . So they never really showed it like that . And so Teen Titans one of being one of the first ones that they actually showed it and , conveniently , their teenagers doing it too .
So it's like really , y'all allow this , I'm for it , though , for real though .
¶ Teen Titans Season 1 Villains and Characters
So it was one of those ones they still didn't necessarily season one did not really show them actually punching . You would see like the villains punching the hero .
It's like time for my weekly episode of the time Me a look , I don't even go that far , but still .
But no , it was like , but a consent effect . That it was finally allowed at that point is what made it so much better too , because you get a chance to actually see a little bit more that it's not saying that violence is an answer , but you you can defend yourself , like if someone's attacking you , the answer is not always just run away .
That's not always going to work , because sometimes they'll chase after you . What you're going to do then if they chase after you ? Hold you down , just accept the beating ?
No , I didn't like the way you look .
Look , even think about it , like a lot of those other kids , cartoon like other , not cartoons other kids shows where they portray how bullying work , how bullying always happened . It was always like the the wimpier kid was always being held down and beat up and they would never defend themselves like ever .
And they would never defend themselves until they became older , like as adults , after they suffered years and years of abuse and trauma . I'm like no , like for it .
Like don't just accept that happening , like , no , and so you finally get a chance of seeing like hey , these are like superheroes or super villains that are fighting each other , that are actually like defending , and it's not like , oh , we're just accepting beatings all the time .
No , like , no , you're not going to just accept somebody just walking up and punching you just because and I'm like , I'm a villain you are here or you have to accept that .
No , like , it's like Spider-Man and I'm Green Goblin , where you delight Green Goblin always trying to go with Spider-Man to make the tough choices .
Exactly , and so it's like come on , man . But then there's sometimes where it's like you can have a strength , you can do it and hold back . You know , nowadays we get a chance to see that you know Superman fighting other villains , villains that are significantly weaker than him , where he can punch them , but he's not like punching through their guts and stuff .
Unless we're talking about injustice , superman it's a whole different guy , but still it's one of those things is like okay , you can show how to hold your strength back , but it's not just about being about defending yourself and not being abusive .
And we get a chance to actually see that as well with Teen Titans Of course keep in mind for season one again you never still see too much of them like fighting each other like that . If you do see the heroes , they're usually dodging and usually it's like a lot of aerial attacks and stuff .
Like you know , everybody has their own special aerial attack that they can use , except Beast Boy . But you know Cyborg has his Sonic Cannon . You know Robin has all of his gadgets . You , of course , acquire learning with Batman and stuff .
Starfire has their star bolts and Raven sometimes will shoot like different telekinetic blasts or just encapsulating their enemy in darkness and stuff . Otherwise , beast Boy is the only one that will kind of run through people . But even if he does , you will only see like still frame images of it .
Like if he turned into a rhino and ran after a guy , you will only see like the still image of just him as the rhino and the guys is there , and they would just show that image for like a couple seconds . It's like .
You never think like yo like , so you never turn into a falcon or pterodactyl and attack people with that .
Yeah , I mean he has , but that's the thing you just you don't really see him actually hitting someone until like later . I think it was like season three is when we really get a chance to actually see somebody getting actually hit or something .
So essentially it's like saying that they had like an experimental period , kind of like what phase one MCU is , where they can't do too much because they're still testing the ward with something new like this because keep in mind that on some of the like team tighties , like one of those things where , okay , we're breaking new ground with this genre , so we need
to be very careful about this to get the approval of the broadcast station . All that , all right , y'all can keep going with it Now , okay , cool , now that they're cool with what we're doing , then we can add more to it , like how they added more world building into the later on into the series , like we'll get to that later , but yeah .
So we get a little bit more of that build into that . So yeah , when you start off , the only time you really see someone getting hit is usually with like a special attack , like with a hit , an attack like a star bolt or hit with a battering or something like that . Like it's the only time you actually see someone getting hit .
Otherwise you never really saw someone getting punched or actually getting punched or kicked in . Like the first season and a half Probably full of season two . But I know season three we do get a chance to actually see like was it the first combat for season one was it was robbing against some villain and you actually see him throwing like a three hit combo .
You wouldn't see that in season one or season two . They hit . It was always like like show slow frames , like pow kapow type of thing , like no , those still frames as you were seeing comics and stuff .
So season three is when the first time you actually see like robbing through a full three hit combo , like punch , punch , kick and you're like actually knocking the opponent down and stuff , and so you actually would see that versus like season one you did the only time you ever saw someone getting hit was a blast attack .
So it was like okay you know , but then you know , and then the villains , of course . Honestly , the villains are always amazing to me for Teen Titans , like not just Slade , I just mean the villains period .
No , no , I feel you on that one . Like for starters , let's , while we're keeping this contained to season one , let's talk about some of the villains in there . Episode one introduced the hive , where we have Gizmo , jinx and Mammoth .
Like they get some more people like Seymour and Private Hive and some other folks , but those were like the main three for a while .
So yeah , well , yeah , because we do . I mean we do actually get the high five , we did actually get all five of them per se , but we only really saw , like the other three like just kind of take over at that moment , because they immediately take over Titans tower .
Yeah , so we have those three making their rounds and they initially beat the Titans and Robin went missing , and what night then took over the tower and the rest of the Titans let . I don't know what we're going to do . And then Robin is like I'll tell you what we're going to do .
And then it's like oh , oh and then they just took the tower back in all that .
So it was like a pretty easy to digest what episode you know , like the villains actually win that first , but then I like the first episode because oh yeah , I mean I like the first episode because it's not . What makes it so impactful is the fact that it's also this , the very first episode in the villains won the first round .
Like there's not many , there's almost no superhero show , no superhero TV show that has done that . I think this is literally the only one that actually has where the first episode the villains won .
Now hold on like I'm right there with you . But let's also keep in mind that not only is this a superhero action show , but for the Titans is a comic of age show as well , so they're going to have to take trails sometimes , so if that's , what they're going to be very humble , it's like first fight they lost . No , that's what I'm saying .
It's like humble beginnings . It's like you got to learn bones as soon as possible , is that ? So that way you can manage your expectations later . See , here's the thing .
While we're keeping this mainly towards Robin and Slade , my whole thing was , when I see Robin is that this is a kid that has something to prove to prove that he needs to step out of Batman shadow , and if he's not able to take down someone like Slade , then it'll feel like he failed to stand out on his own and failed as a leader .
Therefore , he's thinking oh well , I still have more learning to do , so I might as well go back to my adoptive dad and stay under him until I'm actually ready . But that's just the thing . It was like Robin was taking himself too seriously because he had so much to prove , even though it's not that obvious .
But you can kind of tell that he's mainly trying to live up to the expectations of being the boy wonder that flew the coop . You know what I mean .
True , this is true . So he's trying to make his own little thing himself , but then also understanding that I'm probably going to , like I said , gotta take some ills to kind of get an understanding of what's really going to happen right now , because he was a Pielter , was he just formed this team , so they just formed .
So they don't really know each other all that well yet , so they're still trying to figure things out Absolutely .
What I also like about the team Titans is that all five of them are essentially like lost , confused teams that's trying to make a name for themselves , trying to figure themselves out , and they just find each other under most random circumstances .
I also kind of like how , near the end of the series in season five like right before the series finale and all that they did show the episode when they first met and it's like , wow , so that's how their first time meeting each other went down . But we'll talk about that in detail in the fourth part .
But my point being is that these are lost , confused kids that's had like some sort of issue with their family to some degree . Like I want to say with cyborg to a less of this grief , because it's it was mainly about him being like half man , half machine , but everybody else seemed like they had like some sort of family issue going on .
But point being is that these are five kids that felt like they were like outcast and they made a family within themselves . So it's like having friends that became the family that they needed , to remind themselves that , ayo , even if you fail , we're still here for you . You just gotta trust us and work with us , and that's pretty much a whole overarching theme .
¶ Discussion on Titans
No matter what happens with the Titans Light , whether it's with Robin Starfire , cyborg , raven Beastmore , it always comes back to the fact that you need to trust your team to help you out .
This is true . This is very true , because if you don't work together , you're not gonna make it at all .
I mean literally episode three , the fight and conquer , when Robin and Cyborg had that fight and broke off . It's like it tells you right there it's like , bro , y'all need to like get your shit together .
This is true , and they only discovered themselves .
Yeah , yeah , I mean not to discount it , because they're still teenagers , they're still learning , but that's what I'm saying . It's like they gotta learn this shit now so that can be a better team later .
I mean not to rush it , but I'm just saying it's like eventually you're gonna have to come to these new stations one way or another , but better sooner than later .
yeah , All right , so we got introduced for the hive . Now season two first introduced Blackfire .
Love when .
I kill you . Yeah , episode two . Sorry , episode two . First introduced Blackfire . Oh , brah oh bro I'm telling you , it's one of those things .
It's one of those things where you're tasting women with the term and when you chose Blackfire over Starfire .
Look , look , my first love was always definitely gonna be Raven . I mean , yeah , with some people Raven , of course , but it's like but yeah , if you get to between Blackfire and Starfire , brah , not gonna lie , man , they say the black of the berry . I mean , even though they twins , they look the exact same . She's Blackfire , bro . I'm just saying .
Well , Blackfire is the eldest , Coriander Starfire is the middle child . But did you know that they had , like , a lesser known brother named Darkfire ?
Yes , yes , I did . He does not get brought up as much into the comments , mostly because Starfire and Blackfire was significantly more popular , and the reasoning for that is that , like , obviously , if you're listening to this , you know the comics as well . This outfit that they have Starfire in is very nice compared to the outfit that Starfire wore in the comics .
So , understanding that Starfire and Blackfire's outfits were , needless to say , swimsuit , bdsm-esque outfits nobody wanted to talk about .
They brother , oh , they came for the plot , not for the plot .
Exactly , plus on top of that . You know understanding the story , how , how , that everything went for their race as well too , in the fact that Blackfire was supposed to inherit the throne wound up betraying her people because she was a greedy , money hungry bitch . That's just what she is and like literally , she will kill anybody .
She really does not make friends whatsoever . If you say it's your her friend , understand you got a bounty on your head . She will turn you in for that money , like straight up . And that's both comic book and this animated version , tv version as well .
But then also keeping in mind that once Blackfire was forfeited the throne because of her actions , the next in line for the throne was Starfire . But she would have to marry to get into the throne . But let Starfire warms up , betraying the throne , which Starfire is very pure of heart , then the next person in line would be would be their little brother .
But because Starfire did not betray her , did not betray her race , not betray her people , and she was not forfeited the throne in any form or fashion , nor did she deny the throne , she actually did wind up taking up the mantle , both in the comics and in the animated series , but the animated series is for a short period of time , it's still .
Because of that you don't . You're not gonna hear about the brother . It's just how it is . He wants it being the lesser one . He's not . He's not necessarily the weakest one , but at the same time , popularity wise , your sister's got it . Strength wise , it still kind of goes more to your sisters . And understand that .
The way that this , that the people go for their planet , is that they don't go based on gender , like genders where male is more superior to female . They go straight on age . If the first born is a girl , that first born she's gonna be queen . That's just how it works . They don't go based on gender and race there . That's not how they do it .
Everybody is equal there , so yeah .
In those cases .
You're not gonna hear about the brother .
It's just funny too . I'm gonna talk about it in more detail in the later part of the team size review , but this just brings me back to the part where it's funny how the Tameranians aren't , as how can I say prejudice , as most people say ? But then you have people like Val . You are calling them savages .
Yeah , but it's not just Val , you're either . It's like many people across the cosmos in the DC universe considering Tameranians as barbaric .
They literally call them barbarians and savages and that's how they're treated amongst the cosmos and it's like they're barbarians but they're the most equal equality people out there , whereas almost every other planet suffers from racial wars or even like fucking . The Martians .
Martian manhunter and Miss Martian literally are the last two survivors of their race because they had a race war that literally destroyed the entire fucking planet . Literally , when you have all of that situation . But the Tameranians are savages , but they're all equal , really really .
It's like imagine .
How dare you not submit someone to lesser than you Like ? What no ?
Like imagine . Oh , we may be barbaric , but at least we believe in equality .
Yeah , and it's nonsense that people , it's nonsense to make them feel less than , because it's a fact , they treat everyone as equals and then even considering the fact that , like , because there are still other races that have a male equality , that male is superior mindset , so literally they still will treat , they will treat their females like nothing and then look
down on the fact that the males , that the Tameranians males , don't treat their women the same Bruh . This is like Sparta . You talk to my wife , you talk to me . It's the same bruh . There's no less than me , the hell you talking about . But again , they're the savages . But no , so my bad . But yeah , we introduced the black fire .
Yes , like you said , if you chose black fire over star fire , you definitely chose who you gonna be and I'm gonna be honest with you , my wife is God's emo . So , yeah , like I'm not gonna lie , yeah , I am there , I definitely chose black fire .
She's the best . She know now what's for the better .
Like whatsoever .
Hey man , I'm not gonna deny that God's chicks are attractive or I'm like at the same time is like one of those things where , if I know what I'm getting myself into , I'm like , yeah , I'm good man .
Oh , I knew what I was getting myself into and I'm beyond excited every day . But no , for real , though , black fire gets introduced and I like how they start off with her , where the biggest issue that comes to play here is the fact that she is more popular than star fire , because that's just how she is .
Where star fire is more reserved and doesn't quite understand how things go , black fire , well , no matter where she goes , quickly attunes to wherever she's at , and that's one of those things that , like if black fire was not evil , she literally would be the absolute best leader of the Tamaranians hands down .
No matter where she goes , she's able to instantly adapt to who it is that the people are there , she's able to immediately understand them , she's able to immediately picture in how things are supposed to be and who they are , and she fits in almost instantly . She doesn't .
She's only there for like a day , and in one day's time you would think she's already been there forever , and that's how quickly she can adjust , and that makes her such . She's a great people person , and that would actually make her a great leader , on top of the fact that she actually is stronger than star fire as well , too .
So when you keep all those things into mind , it's like the only thing that set her back was that she was a villain .
Otherwise , I would even compare her to like Teth Adam to black Adam , where literally like if she decided to be dictator and if she wasn't so like cold hearted but was mostly for the people , like how Teth Adam was , she still would be a great leader .
But she fails at that because she's more power hungry and greedy than she is actually thinking of others than thinking of her people and that's how she's like wow , it's like a mad that you kind of cheated yourself out of the throne because you just couldn't manage your own , you know .
It's like , yeah , your own attitude is like that's just kind of things like having that one child like not exactly evil , but let's just say it's like having that one child that's like spoiled . And there's the other child that's like doesn't really act for much but works hard , and the hardworking child will get rewarded more for their merits and whatnot .
But the spoiled child will get all mad because , oh , how come they get all this ? And I was like , bro , you've been getting in your own way , thinking that you can do whatever you want because you're so grown that that's why you don't get much compared to the child that actually earned it .
And they were even thinking about the reward , though it was like they just did it just because probably so it's like just go to show that if you were more pure hearted , like Starfire , you would have had this throne . But nah , you had to get in your own way .
Exactly exactly , and that's one of those things that's like the baddest thing for Blackfyre is the fact , like I said , she would have been a really great leader . She just needed to do better .
But other than that , blackfyre in this show was very lackluster , like she was great as far as her first appearance , but then after that there wasn't much else there for her .
I mean , that whole episode was being dedicated not so much to her , but more so is dedicated to Starfire believing in herself , because she first gets upset about the fact that everyone is choosing Blackfyre over her , which that really isn't the case . It's just the fact that , okay , blackfyre is relatable .
That's a personality trait that she has that you don't necessarily have , but that doesn't mean that you're boring . That doesn't mean that nobody wants to hang out with you .
Now see , here's the thing . I can't believe that Blackfyre . She has enough street smarts to actually know how teenagers function even on earth and all that shit .
And my thing is it's like not only could it have been genuine that she just had that natural charisma , but also I feel I was getting like mean girls vibe it's specifically Regina George vibe to where it's like she just knows how to talk to people as a way of manipulating them .
This is true , she does , and that's one of the things that she's extremely good at is manipulation .
Yeah . So , so it's more like her charisma is part of her manipulation tactic . So it was like easy for her to integrate within the title because she knew how to talk to the titans , especially when it came to that like how Beast Boy like I wanna explore more on this on him , when we get to season
¶ The Dynamic of Relationships Among Superheroes
five . But with Beast Boy his main deal is he used comedy as a way of finding acceptance and coping with his insecurities . And when Blackfyre is like laughing at his jokes , like it was genuinely funny , it was like she was making him feel good about it .
So because it was like in a way she can kind of tell that you're kind of using humor as a coping mechanism . So I'm gonna use that to your favorite , to where , okay , I'm gonna laugh at your jokes , make you feel good about yourself . So that way you'll be more cool with me in the long run and not just manipulate you even harder later on .
It's that kind of deal where I'm like it's a real dark shit , like it's like , ooh , I'm telling you , like you just tell when you're like I know you're up to . It's like even with Raven it's like she was like the most begrudging when it came to Blackfyre because like of course she's gonna have her own walls up .
But then she was like , yeah , she's all right .
But remember , Starfire is the biggest gripe . Was she officially a multi-man when Robin was wanting to be in like yeah . I'm gonna go ahead and go hang out with her . You chose her over me . He's like no , I didn't choose her over you .
What the heck , we're just hanging out Like what the fuck ? I just bet this trick , I mean . But then again .
But then again it's like no , it's like yeah , but then again I'm like thinking one meeting is all it takes Sometimes , sometimes , but then again you know I'm gonna get to it later , but it's like the relationship between Robin and Starfire is like you know what's gonna happen , but at the same time it's almost like are y'all like each other like that , or are
y'all just friends , like it was like some back and forth in the series from time to time with Laura ? It's like half the time you can tell Robin was crushing on Starfire and Starfire was like being a little bit more botanic .
But then sometimes it feels like you can tell that Starfire feels some tough way by Robin , but he's being a little super-tonic for some reason . It's like a whole bunch of hot and cold .
It's because he was raised by Batman . Like what do you mean , for some reason ? Okay , when you raise by Batman , you're raised without feelings .
No , no , no , like okay , completely different series . But I like how that one episode of Batman Beyond , when he was telling Terry McIanis he was like oh yeah , I'm gonna talk to a lot of women , like really , I was like , yeah , it was like what you do . I was like I walked over Mm .
I was like I was like just stick to your training boy , the bitches come later .
Not for Terry , not for Terry . Yeah , oh , for Terry , I'm lying , but for real though it was a big . It is one of those really great show . Blackfyre is a really great development that they have as a counter for Starfire and it's one of those ones that really relates to you onto that aspect because you're just like okay , cause I felt for Starfire ?
Because for me I'm the youngest , so I have younger siblings , I have older siblings . I only have one younger sibling and he's much younger to me . So during the time I was watching this I never really felt like he wasn't even born yet . So I was the youngest and I always felt that way . Like my older brothers always got a chance to do stuff .
Like Starfire didn't get a chance to do as much exploring , but as far as she knew , blackfyre explored almost the entire galaxy . She just flies to other different planets and just does shit . She comes back with gifts and stuff all the time , different things . Like she always gets to do stuff , and for me that was . It felt about the same .
Like a lot of times I didn't feel like I got a chance to do anything , but it felt like my brothers always got to do something .
Yeah .
So and I felt into that aspect and it's like damn bro , like yeah , I feel how it feels Like Starfire is the younger sibling and it sucks A lot of times . It really sucks . But it wound up being one of the things where I related to her in a very different way that I didn't know I was going to relate to her , but it was .
It was still one of those ones I'm like okay , this is very interesting .
Yeah .
But after that . So we wound up getting , of course , you know , blackfyre . We find out that she's actually a wanted criminal , that she is stealing stuff and is on the run and they're instantly coming after . And I think this is one of my favorite lines from the show , from the whole show .
It comes from Beast Boy , where , when the Galactic well , I want to say Galactic Federation , but this is not Rick and Morty- oh , it was the Centauri . Yeah , when the Centauri show up , the Centauri police show up , and then like Automagant says you're all under arrest . And then Beast Boy is like wait , you can't be the good guys , we're the good guys .
And it's like what I'm like bro like bro , like I feel like that's like a fourth wall break . But then again it's like you gotta keep in mind Batman , superman , pretty much all superheroes they all started out as pretty much vigilantes that didn't have the immediate trust of law enforcement and government .
So technically it's like saying even if you're doing your daring , do you're can still be looked at as the bad guy or at least grounds for legal punishment for getting involved .
So , to be fair , it's like okay welcome to superhero world , beast Boy .
It was like they're gonna think you're the bad guy , dude . Sometimes True
¶ Teen Titans Animated Series and Character Development
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And now one of the also things that's most fun as well and to just all show is when you understand like Starfires quickly puts things together and I like in this aspect because everyone is very noticed , like Starfire and Robin . Robin's the one who immediately is like hold on , because Starfire is like I've never even been to the Centauri Moons .
But Robin's like but we know who has cause , he remembers exactly cause you know you gotta be a Robin , you gotta be Batman's Robin , you gotta have photographic memory , or at least learn to have a really good memory , of course , and immediately takes off the necklace from Starfire and he's like cause , he remembered that exactly that Blackfyre said at the very
beginning of the episode it got you a special necklace from the Centauri Moons and it's instant like you just need to get something to do .
We know , we know , yeah , it was like , yeah , you set yourself up and , of course , by that point , blackfyre's already escaped , already trying to escape , and we have our wonderful moment where we hear this one and the music of all .
The music in the shows was always so great , but the music in this episode was very amazing , from the rave music from the party they went to to the music where Starfire finally got her comeuppance and was like no , and she actually like stands up for herself and really overpowers Blackfyre and you start hearing that music playing in the background .
It feels like victory music and it's like it feels like it was like a nice little serenade , but it felt like a victory serenade . It reminded me of back when I'm playing Final Fantasy . Like you know , you get those winds Da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da da da da da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da da .
And so you hear that Da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da , da da . And I'm like , oh , it's like victory music from video games . It's so good and it's like and then you know , starfire ones are winning and it all comes together so great . I literally went back and rewatched .
I literally went back and started rewatching this with my kids , just really to get prepared for this review , but also because I wanted my kids to understand what good animation shows are like . So I'm sitting here like bruh , I just I don't know Like . I understand there's a good storyline to like adventure time , but I can never get past animation .
It's just to be honest , I can't . It's a struggle for me , but still . So we wound up getting Blackfire . I know we was continuing on with villains . We wound up having okay . So episode four . I think it was very interesting . No , sorry , episode three Cinderblock . So I like Cinderblock because he's he's basped in mystery .
We don't know no origin for him whatsoever , we just know he is a giant rock golem , sentient golem .
All I know , based on some research I was doing , is that he was inspired by a different villain , but they kind of like remade him into Cinderblock in a way . So it's like he's based on a totally different villain , but they were like okay , let me just do some tweaking on this one . It's like call him Cinderblock .
Yeah , and I like how , when episode three comes around , the Teen Titans have already faced him before , so they already know how to kind of how to take him down , which really emphasizes more about how teamwork did not work out well between Robin and Cyborg when they were not doing the Sonic boom correctly . They bring the Sonic , I got the boom .
It was corny as hell . As a kid I enjoyed that shit . I was like that was something I always did with my friends too . We ever was like pretending we was , you know , fighting or doing something . You know what 10 year old , 11 year olds would do .
Oh shit , okay , hold on .
You didn't find it .
I got the boom , believe it or not . Cinderblock yeah , like I said , he was kind of inspired by , or at least loosely inspired by , a different villain , but Cinderblock was like cartoon exclusive for a while . Like Cinderblock was introduced in that series . And then afterwards they were like , okay , let's put them in the comics .
Yep , just like how Harley Quinn , just like what happened with Harley Quinn , where a lot of times like they introduce a villain just for the animated show and if that villain sells off , well , they'll redo it .
I still love how Harley Quinn premiered on my birthday . I'm sorry , nice yeah . That's just the main thing . It's almost like Harley Quinn is always going to be my birthday twin as far as comic book wise .
There's nothing wrong with that , I mean no , I'm not saying nothing wrong with that .
I'm just saying I actually dig in it . I'm like okay , I'm cool with it . I'm just saying it's like it's just a funny question and it's like oh shit really .
Yep , oh man , and so , but yeah , cinderblock , they've already faced him before , so they already know how to beat him . So the fact that they didn't beat him that time meant that it was obviously a teamwork issue . It was not that the villain was too strong or anything like that . They knew how to take him down .
They just failed at working together , which is something that is a big thing , especially because , in fact , robin is trying to understand he's not with Batman anymore . Batman , even though he always works alone . Batman , if he ever worked with somebody , he's always the one that has to be in charge , and usually for good reason .
If Batman is not in charge , stuff usually gets fucked up . That's just what winds up happening If you don't follow Batman's plans . Usually shit is about to go left . But in this particular case , it's different . Robin has to learn to work with other people . He has to understand that he is not the only strength there .
He has to be able to do stuff with someone else as well , and so it's a really great aspect of how we're able to see things grow and how we're able to see Robin grow , and how we're able to see Cyborg is still coming to terms with himself Not as much until a little bit later on , but still getting a chance to understand how teamwork works , and I like
how the episode winds up playing out to where it still ends with Robin being the leader , but it ends with Cyborg being issued as second in command Because it's been proven that Cyborg can actually still lead himself as well too .
He can lead a team and help put things together and stuff as well , and it's just one of the things where it's like where Robin is better with motivation . Cyborg is really great when it comes down to still working out the mechanics of different plannings and stuff .
I mean to be fair , cyborg . He is the oldest of the Titans and it would just make sense for him to . When the time comes , he'll be the first one to leave the Titans to join the Justice League .
Oh true , definitely , Definitely , because certainly , in fact , he can't quite age that much anymore due to his cybernetic enhancements . I will say that's also one of the biggest things into this one too , because certainly , in fact , this is also a Cyborg . This is the last Cyborg that was not enhanced by Mother .
No , let me not say that , Because , yeah , no , it is . This is the last Cyborg that was created that DC created that was not enhanced by Motherbox , because the previous , much older Cyborgs were not enhanced by Motherboxes either . They were just like advanced alien tech , but that was about it .
But this one was the last Cyborg before he was a Cyborg enhanced by Motherbox . When it came down to the Justice League series is when the new Justice League animated movie started coming out .
After New 52 Reboot is when we started having Cyborg the alien tech that he got wound up actually being a Motherbox and allows him to be able to use access to like boom tubes and various different things from the new God technology and stuff .
So there's one thing to keep in mind to this is that this is Cyborg's most advanced tech outside of a Motherbox , and it makes it very important to know into that as well too , because this tech can rival a lot of different DC villains as well .
And that's probably why some villains like , say , dark Side , would want to hypnotize and brainwad Cyborg , because in reality Cyborg is very useful when it comes to technology and stuff , to a point where , even though it's more like season three , it's like bro , this dude has way more proficiency and attunement to technology than you think , and you know what I mean
with that fight with Brother Blood . But we'll get to that later .
True ? Well , let's talk about something right before then . We're gonna skip an episode really quick . We'll skip episode four episode five the sum of the parts .
Yeah , right there .
So , yeah , that one we wanted to get missed , fix it . The guy that swears that he has to fix Cyborg . But Cyborg doesn't need to be fixed , cyborg can fix himself .
¶ Cyborg's Intellect and Growth Simplified
Cyborg is very self-sufficient . He's able to go ahead and advance himself . It's just mostly his own brain Cause . One of the things about it is that Cyborg has always been intelligent , not like you know , concerned , in fact . Of course , he comes from a family of geniuses .
His dad and his mom were geniuses , was dad , of course , still is a very important DC scientist , but , keeping in mind that he's always been extremely smart , he's always had top grades . He's always been able to put things together very easily .
So , keeping that in mind , on top of now he has cybernetic enhancements and a built-in supercomputer in his brain as well , too . He's able to plan to like , process things in extreme fashion . His limitations have always only been himself . When Cyborg limits himself , that's when things wound up becoming a big issue .
When he believes in himself , he can do damn near anything Like without question . So we wound up having into that one . Mr Fixit was actually Before you continue .
I just wanna say what I like about Cyborg is that essentially he's like the go-hawn of this series .
Oh yeah , definitely Like . His potential continues to grow , like , just straight up , continues to grow . So Mr Fixit is actually featured into the comics , but he was not as popular in this episode , didn't really sell off as well , so he didn't really conti there's not much more of him that you wound up continuing on onto this villain personally at all .
Now , going back to a previous episode , fortress of Nature , I'm just gonna briefly talk about these guys because eventually they become teen titans . But they started off as villains who were just Teens just doing whatever they wanted to do just because they could .
Where literal storms as a major storm coming out and you find out that thunder and lightning , actual pretty much gods , like actually have human form and they're going around creating various different storms and stuff just because it's fun . You know they're just like that , that's whatever . Like I'm just living my life , we're just living our lives .
But now we have this understanding that it's like , okay , they're actually doing this on purpose and they're doing this on purpose , so we gotta have them like chill out a little bit . And then eventually they wound up joining the teen , or was it not Titans East ? I think it was like Titans West .
No , I think it was more like they were just honorary Titans . Like you know , they're just out and about . They just they were just given a communicator in case they were needed .
Yeah , but no , I mean like well , it wasn't until like much , much later . But no , they actually did like join a group of Titans , I don't remember which one they did . They joined one of the . They actually joined one of the Titans branches , I just don't remember which one .
But but yeah , so I mean this episode was honestly good fun .
Okay , yeah , no , I knew not Titans . That's why I thought it was like Titans West , but I think it was either West or South . I don't remember one of the , but it was one of the two , but yeah , so they wound up becoming .
They wound up becoming Titans themselves , as also , but yeah , it starts off with just like getting a communicator in case they're needed , and then , eventually , they wound up forming their own different branches . Once enough , like superhero , teams have been gathered together , forming their own Young Justice League before Young Justice supports .
I mean to be fair , it's like I would say that this Teen Titans cartoon was the blueprint for Young Justice , because , like with Young Justice , it's like way edgier than Teen Titans .
So you can kind of imagine like okay , well , now that we kind of test to see how violent things can get with these Teen superheroes , young Justice should be like all right , bring on the edge .
Okay , nope . Nope , you're right , my bad . No , they actually did not actually join a Titans from . They did not join a group specific .
Yeah , I was like oh , just play it .
They're honorary Titans .
Yeah .
I can't remember . That's what I was trying to see , cause we see them like later on in like future seasons . You see them make multiple comeback appearances . So it was like but then they were always working with groups . But they're just good at working with groups . They're not necessarily part of a group .
Right .
Okay . I mean you can't . You can't hold down the gods . So yeah . It's real talk on that one . But yeah , my bad on that . But okay , so them too . They wound up just switching over , so we can't keep them as villains . They didn't stay villains Now this motherfucker here .
I liked episode six , episode six Raven Eppel was already in my bay in episode one , but episode six , bro , dr Light , you remember Dr Light ?
What's the matter ? Scared of the light . And then Raven counter with that was like what's the matter ? Scared of the dark .
Because of the dark and capitalized this nigga in so much darkness that this dude was so dark , cold .
Make it stop , Make it stop .
I promise you , if he ate food that day , he would be in his penis right then . And there Just like , oh bro , I'm so scared , I'm so good on that one . I was like , yes , go Raven .
But yeah , I do like this episode because it was one with the emoticlones where it's all those different emotional sides of Raven . It was like that was kind of funny to me .
Yeah . So yeah , they discovered the mysterious friend they've never seen before . Her temper . Yeah , and yeah , we get to see all the different Ravens and understand that .
And honestly , I like that episode because that episode to me was also very important even before like , if you can compare that episode to the movie Inside Out , like , literally , where every single emotion works together and when the emotions start fighting against each other , it becomes a big issue , and a lot of times that's a big issue that we deal with with
depression is that we have multiple emotions that are all fighting each other .
¶ Emotions, Powers, and Identity in Titans
I want to go out , but I want to stay secluded . I want interaction , I want people to talk to me , but I don't want to go talk to nobody else . I'm angry , I'm sad , but I want to be happy , and nothing works together . And it's only when we finally have those moments where we're able to piece things together that it's okay to be happy and sad .
It's okay to want to go out and understand that you're afraid of isolation , but you're afraid of being out there too . It's okay for all of those things . It's okay that these emotions happen .
The thing is not letting all these overwhelming forces overtake you , and that winds up happening with Raven , where she finally brings her emotions together because she's been battling herself so much . She deals with so much Hell . She's constantly fighting her father all the time , so understanding those aspects is like it's a whole different thing in that aspect .
But , yeah , finally getting a chance to see Raven open herself up more , and it was like , if you're going to be part of a team , you really got to open yourself up more . And then we follow through right after that , right after that episode , to episode seven we're gonna start by switching bodies .
Yeah , I like this one too , because it was like just going to show how Raven and Starfire is really learning more about each other and how their bodies and their emotions work , Like how Raven had to learn they have to experience . Yeah , they're like powers work , like it's that opposite to where it's .
Like sometimes Starfire needs to understand that Raven needs her solitude and sometimes Raven needs to look at the bright side of things .
Yeah , and I like I think this is one of those favorite episodes where literally , like , raven is like talking to Starfire , she's like , how do I use your Thunderbolts ?
She's like righteous fury and Raven's like , yeah , I don't do that and I can't do that at home , and so literally like the whole episode , raven is the Starfire's body , like almost the whole episode , and has like no powers whatsoever , because Raven , her powers work by controlling her emotions .
Every single outburst of emotion that Raven has unleashes her power , like in Starfire had to understand that that . Okay , it's not that Raven is emotionless . She can't show her emotions . If she shows that , oh , I'm in love , her powers spurred out into random shit . If she's angry , her powers spurred out into random shit .
If she's excited , her powers spurred out into random shit .
If someone was like she's not naturally stored , it's like she's stored by practice .
Yes , like she has to control herself . That's why she meditates all the time . She has to reduce showing her emotions , because everything shows her power . That's how much power Raven has . I mean , she's the daughter of a fucking god . Yeah , like she's the daughter of a god , like she has to control herself and so she can't .
Shit gets bad , like literally like it gets horrible for her . She can't control her power , she can't control her emotions , and it's like and so I literally rape , like Starfire . The whole time is like , oh my God , because Starfire , her personality is always overly bubbly . Everything is always like 200 . Like she's ADHD .
Literally Everything either makes her extremely sad , extremely excited , and she's like , oh my gosh , I have to control this , otherwise I am never going to control my powers . And it's like , oh man , and so , but this was a really good episode .
And getting a chance like you hear it all the time Walk a mile in the person's shoes , like step , understand that other person's life and this is something that they literally had to do . Like you get put in someone else's body and understand that everything you do makes such makes that big of a difference is hard .
And then , like even for Raven , I've always had to control my emotions , but realizing she's never , she didn't control her emotions , she limited her emotions and understanding that that's not what control actually is . Control is not limiting its understanding , helping it move in a specific direction . When you limit something .
It just keeps bottling up and then that becomes a big problem . You can't hold in all of your anger . Sometimes you've got to redirect your energy in a different way and that was something that Raven had to learn into this one and Starfighter had to learn to bring it down a notch girl . You always zero to 100 real quick .
Sometimes you got to go zero to 25 or 25 to 50 , like move it slow . So I really like this . I would say you can tell this is a great show . It's there yeah .
And hey , we'll get the part to . Hopefully we have Kelly high kai saying I'll get real therapeutic on it .
Oh , definitely , like absolutely Okay . So I don't remember this villain like that , but I do remember this episode with deep six where they had to go underwater and stuff . Oh , they had to hop into peace up and they fought against no right . Yeah .
Yeah , hold on , I think we tried it , what they were trying to do , because you know , once again one of those things where they have to like reskin some villains . I think his deal is he's supposed to be like ocean master , but they were like no , no , no , make them different .
So because we wound up getting a little meat of aqualax kind of , but not much , but not quite like it was very so I don't know for this episode I guess it like it was very interesting episode but it was difficult to follow and that aspect , for me this is one of those few episodes throughout the entire series that was slightly difficult to follow where even
when they were rerun a lot of these episodes , this episode wasn't rerun that much Like realistically it wasn't rerun that much , at least not in that area that I was at , that I lived in , so we didn't see this one as much .
But this episode still want to like enjoy getting a chance to see them fight underwater and understand that they actually do need some underwater allies , that they're actually very limited like , especially cyborg . He's actually very limited for this time being , not until he gets much older . Cyborg gets much older . He makes all his shit damn near waterproof .
So he's all good into that . Until he takes damage , then he's fucked . But as long as he ain't taking no damage he can make yourself waterproof . But this cyborg is not waterproof at all whatsoever . Splash a bucket of water on him , he is fried . He would fry all his damn circuits . He's like damn cyborg . What's your weakness ?
Water , I'm frying , frying , oh my god . But no , this was still pretty funny , though . Now , this episode I know you guys , this episode , I know , is what you really want to talk about . Masque Slade is now reeking . Slade has finally made himself known to the Titans and Robin wants to find out who the fuck he is . And this is what's most interesting to me .
Okay , this one was interesting to me because , I'll be honest with you , I knew of Deathstroke . I read the comics , but I read some of the comics , but I didn't read a whole lot , and that was where my biggest fuck up was at , and this is why I say that I had no idea that Deathstroke's real name was Slade Wilson . I never knew that shit .
I want you to understand that this is where shit . Literally , this is like Slade's biggest fuck . You to Robin Slade , who are you ? I'm Slade . This nigga literally told Robin his name on some real shit . He straight up told him what his name was , and Robin still couldn't find out who the fuck the guy was .
I mean , that's just the thing . He never saw his face , so he can't really do a research database scour of . Okay , let me find out his identity . I know his name and I know his face , kind of like a death note kind of thing , but it's like I don't know .
I don't know , but the thing about it is this there's not very many people named Slade to begin with on that aspect , and let's just say there are three or four people named Slade , let's just say that , because that's his actual government name , so understand . Okay , let's say there's like three or four people named Slade , he's the fighting Slade .
It was very obvious to Robin that he's definitely had military fighting skills .
Not gonna lie , he would make a great middle name , like if I ever have kids , I'm thinking , I'm wondering like , hey , how do you feel about his middle name being Slade ?
That would be hilarious shit . No , don't do it . Don't name me after that . Not that one , but literally just . The fact is like I told you my name and you still have no idea who the fuck I am , and it's like what the hell Batman would have figured that shit out .
No , that's the funny thing , though . No , no , no , no , no , listen , listen the fact that Robin failed to figure out who the fuck this guy is . It's almost like he's almost ashamed to go to Batman . It's like , hey , man , you're the world's greatest detective . Who the fuck is this guy ? It's like , oh , I could have told you that I was like what the fuck ?
And it's almost like I wanted to figure it out on my own , but he didn't want to rely on Batman . Yeah , there's things that a lot of people didn't realize the fact that Batman actually knew who the Joker was all along . And this is one of the craziest things , and there's not really so much spoiler , because this is like five years old now .
At this point this is not really a spoiler when Batman finally got a hold of Darkseid's chair , the chair of infinity where actually of all knowledge , and he winds up asking who is the Joker's real name is , and he finds out that it's actually three jokers . But then you find out that Batman knew this shit all along . He just wanted to make .
He just really was hoping he was wrong . That was all it was . Batman knew this shit all along . He's fought all three jokers , tested them and realized every single one , because he's gotten blood samples and all types of shit from their fights .
It has been able to find three different names and he was always thinking there's no way all three of them could be Joker . That means that this is something crazy going on Joker's doing something to himself . Batman knew all along it was more than one Joker , but he just didn't want to admit it . Batman found out who the Joker really was .
He just didn't know who he was . It's a funny thing is because this reminds me of the first Suicide Squad movie , to where I believe it was like a deleted scene , or maybe it was in the theatrical part , but they just kind of gloss over it . But the point being is that Joker told Harley I'm not a person to be loved , I'm an idea .
Pretty much and that's crazy . And that's also one of the craziest things I understand too , where Harley multiple universes , harley gets pregnant and it's one of those crazy things that Harley doesn't know who the dad is and she doesn't know that . She thinks she knows who the dad is but she never realizes that she's the father .
Ain't that the perfect cover . But you impregnate Harley Quinn and you can just walk out and be like , hey , you're not going to find out who the father is anyway .
So that's just how Joker is . That's the killing . That's the best joke punchline for him ever and it's like what the ? Hell .
I should have pulled out , so I need to pull out of your life .
Oh my God . No , but for real though . But yeah , so it's still like Slatefucks was robbing heavily and robbing is so intense on the fact that he has to , and this is where the Batman comes out of him .
On this , because Batman has had a lot of times where he ditched out on group lead , on group efforts but I just recently watched was a crisis on two earths .
I just went back and we watched that again Great movie , of course , you can watch it on max and so , literally into that one , they wound up going to a whole other universe to help out , and Batman's like fuck that , I'm staying here .
Like Batman literally says no , I'm not , I'm nothing to do this shit , and he only was going there because he literally gets roped into that shit , like it wasn't what he wanted . He was like , damn it , man , I did not want to get stuck in a whole other universe . What the fuck . But ?
But on some real talk , though , is the fact that literally , it's like Batman will rope himself out of group efforts because he , when he's hooked onto something , he puts everything into that , and that's why he works alone , because he understands that if he gets really attached to something , he will stick to that , and that was something that I find it really funny
. That was something that Dick Grayson , of course , are robbing from this one , if you all didn't know that this is actually Dick Grayson , but anyway , hey , can I say something real quick ?
¶ Teen Titans and Robin's Name Change
Yeah , did you know that my stage name was loosely inspired by Red X to a degree , I believe it ? Because my thing was I was I was trying to think of a gamer name . You know , when I just got the PS3 for the first time and I was thinking , ok , what's going to be my PS in there , I need to think , because of course I went by Jet Black , obviously .
But then I was like I think , all right , what's the cool name that I can stick with ? Or the long run , and I was thinking like , for some reason I was thinking Red X , because I was thinking , oh , that sounds so edgy , I need to think of something like that .
And then for some reason , it's like kind of translated weirdly to where I was , like Jet Black X , I was like , no , that sounds a little dumb , can I add a little bit more to it ? Jet Black Extreme , but you spelled the extreme . But the next I like boom , there we go , jet Black Extreme .
I don't know , I was just watching Teen Titans while I was on , came over the name .
So hey , it makes sense . It makes sense , but we're not at Red X , that's not season one , bro .
No , Red X is season one . Is that the right ?
No .
Oh , no , no , no , but keep it . I know you're trying to confuse me . I know there's a different dude under the man later on , but in this case , with Robin being Red , x is still , though it's like . It's not even about the character , it's just a name .
Okay , yeah .
I was like , wait a minute , hold on .
You try to confuse me , but this is one of those things that this is one of the things that Dick Grayson Robin actually absolutely hated about Batman was the fact that he would keep doing his own thing , along with also the fact that he's like Batman , doesn't give praises like that , which Batman has his own reasoning for it .
Sometimes you can understand , sometimes you can't . Like I don't know . I still think he still should give praises , but you know it's a different story . But there's one of the biggest things that Dick Grayson used to really hate about Batman is that if he got hyperfixiated on something , that nigga was hyperfixiated on it .
Yeah .
And so go figure that this team , titans Robin , this version of Dick Grayson , was doing the exact same thing that he hated Batman doing .
And then it's like and that one part where I'm kind of skipping a little bit but it's well , no , not really , I'm not .
I'm not really skipping because it wasn't the same episode , essentially , where Starfire confronted Robin after all that shit , and she was like basically saying she was disappointed and Robin for not trusting his team , when if they , if he let them in on the plan , they would have helped him out more . But he felt like he can afford to let them in on the plan .
No one that's late will probably know that oh , he let them in on the plan . I need to like bust that shit up . I was like , yeah , I kind of see where Robin came from , but at the same time he still could have trusted his team to figure something out , like pull a fast one on Slay .
So that's still the thing is like , despite the situation , it's like the better call was to just trust your team .
This is true , like in all honesty , and the ones that clean up being in their relationship , like later on , because for quite a long time , robin and Robin and the rest of the team Robin and the rest of the team do not get along well .
They wind up arguing a lot on a lot of different issues , and is understandable , because they're like we can't trust you , bro , like you literally have shown that you will just go behind our backs and do whatever you feel that you need to do , regardless of what it means to us . Like you don't care . And it's one of those things I understand .
It's not that he doesn't care , but it's he treats things very differently and a lot of times he feels the need that he has to do things by himself . And it's the scariest thing to understand that you feel like you have to go by yourself to do things , but you really don't and Robin doesn't . It's Robin .
He's not going to understand that , because this is Robin that hasn't fully grown yet . This is Robin that's still fresh from Batman's wings . So it is . It's still one of those scary things and understanding that how you raise makes a big difference on how you treat people .
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¶ Batman's Influence and the Mad Mod
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But I'm wrong . I'm trying to think was there . I think it's the only thing I got from . That's only the other thing I have from this episode . The only other thing that I find most interesting , though , is no , no , I already said it . Yeah , that is like that Batman , that this one is that dick is really doing exact same thing .
Hey , batman , do they find some self doing the same thing , but going a step further ? Because Batman will not pretend to be another Vengellantian or pretend to be a villain in order to find somebody . Now , batman will manipulate another villain . That's one of the things that he does to Catwoman a lot .
He will manipulate another villain to infiltrate , but Batman will never pretend to be a villain to infiltrate . That's something he won't do .
Right and yeah , that's just . The whole thing is like . That's why I'm kind of glad Batman had nothing to do with this series , because it felt like Batman would have been too much of a diss ex mocking up for Robin and validate his whole character development .
Honestly yeah , definitely would Like it would .
It would not help Robin grow whatsoever , rob , Robin had to understand what true growth really is , and the only way that he can do that is , you know , finally having his time away , and even Batman admitted that , that at some point he needed Robin to leave , and I think that's the reason why even during the comic book series from what I understand what is it ?
They make a joke at it in Harley Quinn , where Robin is having like a mental breakdown and he was talking about the only reason he wound up going to bloodhaven and wanted to believe in was because Batman made him go away , kind of thing .
So it's like , if you put in that aspect , it does make a little more sense that Batman is like you need to grow on your own . There's only so much that I can teach you and you can't stay under my wing forever . Plus , I mean , I need to go back to working alone again .
I mean also , I want to say that to this day I mean we're still going to talk about in during the young Justice Review , but to this day I still love that one scene where the Justice League we're talking about the group . You know , they weren't really going by a certain name , they were just , you know , just a group of teenagers .
So there was called the group and essentially they were going over all these kids being too young for superhero work or being too young for the Justice League , like with the whole thing with Shazam , because technically he's a 10 year old kid .
But then they got to Robin and Batman was saying , like well , robin needed someone to help put the people who killed his family to justice and all that shit . And I said , oh , so what ? You want him to be ? Just like you ? And it's like so he wouldn't know , wouldn't be .
Yeah , yeah , yeah , you have used that quote a lot .
Yeah , I'm sorry , but it just still rings to the day .
It's not even bad . It's not even bad , but it's just a realist thing . It's understanding that Batman and he doesn't take on every single Robin Like he's helped . There's a lot of kids that he's helped out and he hasn't helped them out in the exact same way , and that's one of the biggest reasons .
Why is because a lot of times , they don't need to be just like him . They need to be able to find a better way to do things , because a lot of these robbers , if he didn't stop them , realistically what would have happened is that they would have , um , they would have killed and they would have turned into villains , like on some real shit .
That's just what would have happened . So it wasn't being beneficial that Batman wound up taking money this way . Now , granted , has everything that Batman has done been great ? No , like realistically no , but he still hasn't changed the aspect that he has helped them out a lot and it makes a very big difference .
Yeah , now I don't have anything else on this episode . There's a little on to this particular episode , but I know we do have more to discuss real quick before we end this about . Robin in Slade .
Yeah , that's really the main point . That's all we need to do other than that is the Mad Mod episode and the one where Cyborg's car gets stolen by those two people . And that's about it , and after that it's the apprentice episodes , and if we're done , OK , well , Mad Mod is the funniest shit to me . Yeah .
That's shit . Look that one started off crazy as shit . Like it starts off with them in deep shit and they have no idea how the hell they got there . They're like stuck in this dude's world , but they have no idea how they got there . They have no idea what's going on .
Everyone just wakes up in a different room and I swear to God , this is the funniest shit . If , for those of you who don't know , like literally the creators who helped make this episode , they derived some of the segments of this episode from Dundun Rampa .
You know , I can do that Literally . The way , the way I think it was looking with black and white and all that shit , I'm like , yeah , I can be there .
Not even just that , but understanding , remember that , every single room , that if they failed to , if they failed the test because , remember , the same thing happened in Dundun Rampa as well , too If you failed the test or failed to find the person that's doing this , that was doing something , then you were to die in that room and pay attention to , like talking
about fire . One of them was like a giant shredding machine and stuff like that . Literally , the stuff that happened there was exactly the same shit that happened in the anime , and so I was like bro , no , no , I'm like these people are gonna say he's gonna kill these teams , he's about to kill the asses . Oh my God , no .
And like the episode was just insane . And then the bad part about it is , no matter how much they thought they escaped , they weren't , they were still just in a whole nother maze , in a whole nother room . And then also understand how great this niggas technology was , because it makes no damn sense .
This entire time they was just stuck inside of a warehouse , the entire , and I was like what ? Like I was so confused , I was like it was like some Dun . Dun .
Rapa Scooby Doo type shit , like with the cartoon .
Yeah . That shit they did you don't remember they had . They actually had a Scooby Doo segment in this episode too , where they were chasing after him and then they were running through different rooms and they would stop and look at each other like what the hell , what you know , the rooms were connecting to each other .
The fact that he was riding up a spiraling staircase with a moped .
I'm like bro , what the hell that was . The whole shit was hilarious , like a great mix from an extremely dark mental fuck like fucked up mentality anime , along with the funny humor , scooby Doo , and they perfectly blended that shit together . I was not expecting that at all . They blended that shit together fantastically . I was like holy shit , what ?
Yeah , no way bro . And they did it . They did a great job on this episode . It was hilarious shit , but that's the only thing I have for this one . Matt Maude was not like a major villain . He does come back later on and it's beaten just as fast as he shows up .
So , whatever , but this one right here was one of those ones that , if he can , a lot of villains , and you'll see this even later on . We wound up talking about puppet master , even control freak , for later on too . Is that a lot of villains ?
When they can catch the Teen Titans off guard , which in most cases usually catching while they're sleeping and stuff like that , if you catch them off guard , you can trap them and you can definitely fuck them up like really horribly .
But because , unfortunately , our Teen Titans let their guard down a lot , they don't have somebody up the guard because they trust their , their tower to do so , but their tower keeps getting hacked all the time . Cyborg's technology is great , but his biggest weakness is that he can easily be hacked .
We learned that in the first episode , where literally Gizmo hacked cyborg on his back , then Gizmo hacked the control tower . Bro , your security is kind of sucks , man . If your villains keep hacking your shit , you need to upgrade your security . I'm just saying .
Bro , I hate to say this , but it's almost like cyborg is being treated like a technist from Danny Fano .
Honestly , yeah , I have the best technology easily gets hacked . What the fuck , bro the hell man , I have the best fire . Honestly , I think was I followed . This dude , mcnally , or something like that , is a locksmith and I swear to God , this is like the funniest shit . He breaks in and picks like every single lock , like he literally says there's no unlock .
That's unpickable . Like , even though you may , they may , advertise it , there is not a single lock . That is unpickable . He has picked literally thousands upon thousands of locks and they have like master . If this is something , if you don't know , I don't buy master locks anymore , like master brand locks .
I don't buy them no more because , literally , master locks focus on the wrong shit . They focus their thing onto the fact that's like a crowbar or like pliers and shit can't break your locks .
But the issue is is that their combination locks and their key locks are extremely easy to pick and for years , even to this day , like they just released out a new lock , it's still easy to pick them , whereas some other locks you have to like spend time to kind of pick them and try to like line them up and everything to do it just right .
Literally , you could take a comb lock and just shake it in there a couple of times and lock instantly opens and it doesn't matter . That's literally what happens . And master had like the perfect lock where they advertise it was the perfect lock .
They had the strongest man in the world have these giant as wire pliers and try to break the lock and it wound up breaking the pliers and the lock didn't . Lock was made like almost with indestructible material . They put C4 on it . Try to blow it up . Try to blow it up .
The locks still didn't open but the dude went into where the key is supposed to be at shook . He went in with like a little pick , shook it a little bit in . The lock opened up and it's like you're focusing on the wrong shit .
And I feel like that's what they did with cyborg , where it was like you make the technology look so great , like he can take tons of damage and shit . He could take a rocket launcher to the face and it won't do anything , like it'll just scratch it a little bit , it's not going to hurt him and shit . He can take laser beams .
And you're like , oh my god , his technology is fantastic , you go to hack it . There's no firewall , like what the fuck , it's like what is going on and I'm like what is happening here . They literally do the cyborg so much . The cyborg security is really good . Like Batman doesn't hack cyborg security that easily .
It takes him a minute to actually hack cyborg security . Just understand that . So , like , if Batman hacks the security , hacks cyborg security , it's because he been hacked the security .
It's not one of those things like , oh , I have to hack it on the spot , like he has to been hacked the security , but then in the show , gizmo and everybody else just hacks it like on the spot . Hmm , let's see . Oh , we're in . What the fuck , bro ? Like what the hell ? What are you doing ? This Cyborg is better technology than this . Don't do that it's .
I want to say more about cyborg , but I'm going to wait until season three , when it really oh yeah , we have more in that Gotcha .
I mean we still have a little bit more cyborg , because the last episode talk about and I guess we're pretty much done for season one review when his special car , his baby , gets stolen and they go on a whole fucking high chase race with this one and cyborg was so attached in that car , like literally attached , he put a piece of himself literally inside of the
car . That is how attached he was to the car and he liked for a cyborg . I think he went a little far on that and so it's like it stole his car . This episode was just for fun , that's all it was
¶ Cyborg's Car and Final Episodes Discussion
. And to re again reiterate the point that , even though cyborg can make shit indestructible , unfortunately this particular cyborg , his shit , can be hacked so easily and it's so horrible , like it is so horrible that they treat him like this .
Yeah , I mean , it's like one of the simple things where it's like okay , he made his new tea car and instantly gets stolen . It was entered into a race after they won the race . Gizmo won the contest of the race , takes the car and leaves Cass and Sammy in a bubble . So in other words , like basically , they just like jammed in with his car .
So cyborg , with the help of Raven , try to get the car back , crashed but the car crashed into a prison transport releasing overload and overload ends up taking over the car and trying to attack cyborg . And cyborg is like oh man , I hate to do this , but he had to destroy his own car to make sure nobody else could steal it .
But in the end , raven just ended up helping him build the car .
So it's like I guess it's gonna get hacked , yeah , but I'm just saying like I , as a filler episode I guess , but I think it was supposed to be a moment of like cyborg and Raven bonding , but yeah , I already had a moment of that anyway , during the split apart episode with Raven , with Dr Light .
Yeah because cyborg got a chance to also see all the different forms of Raven as well too . So we already had a little bit of a bonding moment there . So it was like , okay , this was the episode that was like to me Mad Ma was the better season finale than in the car episode . So that's just realistically onto that one .
But either way , again one of the only few episodes out of the entire series . That's not interesting , but it was that . That's not like to me work , going back and watching like that . Other than that , like this is season one . After this . You don't really have no other episodes that you like , don't want to watch .
Every episode after this is like fucking amazing , you're all into it . You're like , oh , my god , what's gonna happen next this year ? So that's just kind of how . But this is like you said , season one was kind of experimental , kind of see where things are going and stuff .
Yeah , all right , and now we got to the final two episodes . The apprentice on double episode . You know the apprentice hour where you know essentially Slade is threatened to stop time in the city with his chronoton detonator . They were trying to the time , trying to search for the device . Robin on the edge of having this nightmare .
Before the mission , he's attacking everything on site , including this innocent bystander .
They're trying to still find this device but funny enough , funny coincidence Starfighter is allergic to what those devices made of , so essentially she just became like a tracker device for it and then eventually , defying the sewer , robin got separate from the team by sender block and after taking sender block down , robin finds Slade's tracking device , using it to get
to Slade's headquarters . He ends up confronting Slade and trying to get the detonator remote , but the rest of the time is chasing after Slade's other hints meant trying to carry the detonator on his speedboat . So it was like a really big diversion type thing to where , in reality , the chronoton detonator .
It wasn't meant to stop time but rather to blast the other titans with these nanoscop that probed to blackmail Robin into working for him or otherwise . He'll just use the probe to kill the other titans .
Honestly , it was probably one of Slade's best plans .
Pretty much yeah .
Like on some real shit . It was scary because we honestly thought that everyone was gonna . I honestly thought that I was like he fucking won . He stole Robin and it was like holy shit . No , no , it's Robin , but we love Robin and stuff , but no um , this was a masterful , was a masterful plan .
I'm kind of joking , but it's one of those things where it just felt like , well , if I can't beat him , I'll as well join him .
And it wasn't even that he wanted to .
No , it's not even that he wanted to it , just more like he had no choice . I was like damn , like I can't beat this dude . I was like , hey , man , there's only one way out of this , like they can still stay alive . But you have to work for me now . I'm gonna train you better than Batman ever would .
You wish , oh , he wishes . It wasn't even the fact that he wanted to trade him , he just really wanted to have a good apprentice .
Not because you can see again I'm joking , but like you know , I know .
But because you could tell literally with what he does with and I don't want to like jump too far ahead , but like realistically with what he does with Tara lets you know exactly the fact that he just really wanted to have an apprentice that he could call his own , that he could say he could shape his own and stuff .
And you went after someone , that you started off with the villain . It's just the fact that he realized . He realized the fact of how good Robin actually is and he was like this is a masterful kid .
I don't really have to teach him anything , I just want him under my wing , I want him working for me , because that's just how good he is you know , and then , keeping in mind for the fact that he decided to go with Red X-Form , you've already gone . Villain per se anybody Robin .
You know it's funny because there were some original plans to try to include our Ravager and maybe his son , jericho , into . Well , they did Jericho , but I think they what happened was they were . He got revamped to be like a hero and whatnot . So it's like not really , but Ravager is like she didn't make an appearance but she could have .
But Ravager definitely could have made an appearance , yeah .
But I'm just saying , it's like he's just funny , he's like , well , I want my own a pro to J2 . I was like you , come here , bring me that child I need , I need my own Robin .
That's all you wanted . That's what my own Robin and we . It's funny to understand the fact that literally , slade has a major issue with Robbins . No matter what needed he's in , that's always his biggest thing is that he absolutely wants his own Robin . And what is that ?
Even for one of the movies another movie you can also watch it on Max as well was things like Batman , night of Dragons or something like that , and that one specifically about Batman's son Damien when he first became Robin , and his hymn versus Slade Wilson against Deathstroke and like Deathstroke had no matter what iteration .
Deathstroke and Robbins do not get along . I don't know what is up with that . It is like the some bizarre reason Deathstroke is like the main villain of every Robin since Teen Titans like also real shit .
Can I also just throw out there ? I just really like the way Ron Perlman voice Slade , because it was like you know how in you know how in the Batman movie with Robin Pattinson , where it's like his footsteps was like his signature thing about him is to where it's like . If you hear those footsteps I was like , oh , you know he's coming .
But with Slade it was like just his voice alone . It's like aw , this sounds like a very smooth , charismatic villain who really knows how to get in your head .
Exactly , yeah , he does like Slade is Slade is deadly . Like Slade is deadly , like he himself is actually a very deadly villain . But keep in mind , on to this one , that this Slade is a much weaker version than the comics right because Slade and comic like man can take on Robbins very you like . He's almost .
He's going hand to hand with Batman multiple times and he's had multiple human he is , because he's souped . He's souped himself up and stuff too .
Yeah so , yeah , like keeping that into mind is the fact that , yeah , this like Slade is supposed to be really , really dangerous and he is in this show , like he's definitely very dangerous in this show , oh yeah , but this , this two-part episode , it kept me on my toes like going through the whole time . They're just like we gotta stop Slade .
He's about to fuck everything up because he literally just he does it the most boldest way possible . He literally just puts up a screen . He literally just like sends a transmission to Titans Tower . But there's also something that I think I know they joked about in Teen Titans Go a lot , and I don't like Teen Titans Go .
We already know this , but it is the truth . Villains are able to send you transmissions whenever what the fuck ? And they're looking in and looking at you through the , through your cameras and stuff that they can see inside of , in the inside of your tower . This is horrible security . Like what's the real shit . But then Nick gets his bold , he shows up .
He later just sends a transmission . He says this is my weapon , this is what it's about to do and I'll see if you can stop it . And then , like the hell , he has it perfectly set up to where he lures Robin away from the group to make it to where Robin's like I'm gonna go after Slade .
You guys try to stop the bomb , try to stop the emitter and then immediately blast all of them with nanomachines . And then like that final moment where Robin is like they're hunting at what was it ?
Because it was it was in part two , when they're hunting after Robin trying to figure out , and then they finally catch up to him and he holds a blast strip to them and they're like you wouldn't do it . And Robin's like he literally was not going to . And so he's like either do it , robin , I gave you an order , now do it .
And he just still wouldn't do it . He's like , all right , fine , he pushes the button and everybody starts like fucking glowing red with these black spots . You're like holy shit , what is happening to them ? He's like he's destroying their DNA . Like what is happening ? Like , oh my god , they're about to die .
Like you really feel like they are about to fucking die . And then Robin winds up shooting them , all shooting with the blaster , and then gets away and they're just like and then quickly put it together . They're like Robin's not doing this .
He's not doing this because he wants to quote Billy Butcher , I would say this was fucking diabolical it was like you .
You purposely turned him against his friends because it was funny for you , because it was funny the way it .
It the way it concluded , though it's where , essentially , uh , the Titans catch on to the ruse that Robin's not really doing this on his own volition and they go to Sleight's headquarters , confront them and all the other shit , and Sleight reactivates the pros , but Robin's like no , I'm not gonna let you win like this .
So he touches the machine , and now he's affected with the probe too . So it was like so you have to deal slave , you kill them , you also kill me . So what you want to do ? And the funny thing is like Sleight was so interested in having Robin as a protaj .
He's like all right , you made your point , well played he's like he just plays on it , he's like I know you want me , bro , and at that moment , at that moment , it became creepy yeah , that's what I'm like . That's what it became . I was like , and now Sleight's a pedophile no , that's the funny thing .
At first you're thinking like Robin has this weird obsessive with Sleight . But in all fairness , sleight , feel the same way about Robin again now .
Sleight's a pedophile .
Yeah , I was like this is one of those kind of relationships . Well , hmm , well , think about it . Comic books , uh , his relationship with Terra need I say more ?
hmm , we ain't even got the Terran .
I know , but I'm just saying , I'm just saying I'm his neck . I know it's next , but I'm just saying , though , but I'm like , if we're talking about him being a pedophile , to be fair , it is comic book canon yeah , he's .
To be fair , he's a pedophile . Actually , he's worse than a pedophile . If you really gonna go through comic book canon , he's done more than just Terra yeah yeah , he is way worse than a pedophile , but that is all that I that's all the time that I have today yeah , that's about wrap it up for part
¶ Teen Titans Review and Updates
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Uh , season one of the Teen Titans review . Uh , like we said , we're gonna try to have Kelly Haikaiji and Professor Tuck on this time . Uh , the next part of the Teen Titans review . But y'all know the drill .
We got links down at the bottom of the episode description , so follow those if you want to keep up with us in our shenanigans and be on the lookout for new episodes coming on the horizon . But for now we're going to zone out . But remember , stay nerdy , because great things are coming . Y'all , take it easy .