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Ben 10: The Terrifying Potential of the Omnitrix

Nov 23, 20231 hr 38 minSeason 12Ep. 5
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Time for a trip down memory lane as we gear up for a Ben 10 Xtreme Review with a warm-up discussion!

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Ben 10

Speaker 1

What's up , nerds ? It's Jeff Fleckestream and we got another episode of the Zone podcast for you . We are kicking off the Ben 10 extreme review with a pro loop episode to where , essentially , we're gonna be talking about some of the story elements , some of the characters and whatnot in In Ben 10 .

We'll do a deep dive on each part , whether it's the original series , alien force , ultimate alien , omniverse , maybe the reboot . I'm sorry . I'm sorry , I Was just telling .

Tell us right before rolling , how I'm live , bro , like I know , there's gonna be some parts about the reboots where , to be fair , they might do something to , where I might be interested to talk about it .

But at the same time , that animation , bro , if y'all complain about omniverse looking bad , the reboot is looking like something straight out of PBS kids , like , like . So I mean to be fair , I feel like that was supposed to be main geared towards Kids . You know , trying to get the new generation into the Ben 10 franchise .

But I don't know , man , I feel like kids today are built different to where they probably want to see some shit that we probably Seem to be were teenagers , but I don't know . So I feel like that's a little Insulting to the younger audience .

Because , see , that's my main gripe is when you put out stuff that's supposed to be for kids and put out this most low effort bullshit and Because their kids is like , either they like it or they don't like it , because that's the main thing .

That's why I mainly notice about Marvel movies and all that to where it's one thing if kids go to watch it and they let oh , I like that , I love it , or and they're like it , but that's the thing they're not grown-ass people who have platforms Going into is cruciating detail about why they liked or dislike something .

See , a critical analysis is more scathing to a creator than Whether you like that or didn't like it , because either way they got your money .

But when you see people going to strong detail about how you fucking up on some projects , then yeah , that's gonna fuck with your ego to a point to where maybe you appeal to a younger audience To ride that path of least resistance . That's the shit I don't like .

But With Ben 10 it's passable because you know , ben Tennyson started off as a 10 year old kid , so it makes sense . But uh , my god , let's go ahead and get into it . So Ben Tennyson , our hero , at 10 years old . He was kind of an asshole . I'm sorry but he was kind of a dick .

He was being a real asshole towards his cousin Gwen , and you know how they bust and fight . But usually it was been that like and Kind of instigate that shit , because it's like he's always like saying some sort of snitches , especially like after you got the Omnitrix to where , oh well , you know hero business . You don't know anything about that .

I'm like bitch Hell you . I mean once again 10 years old .

Speaker 3

I get the hubris but they had to make them as arrogant as they Realistically could like . Right , be honest now . You was 10 years old and you came across a watch that nobody could take off of you .

Speaker 1

Well , not by conventional means .

Speaker 3

Yeah , you feel me . Yeah , yeah , okay , yeah , I'm getting dark .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 3

They couldn't take it off of you without you know , in convenience , but realistically , like there will be a lot of unhombered kids that especially bragging and boasting .

To be honest I say he carried it pretty well , like responsibly , like his battle IQ , his battle IQ , even as a child they use the Omnitrix and when and what are aliens to use in situations , because you know had a time span on in the cooldown so he had to be very selective over the use .

So he might have not have paid attention in class but he paid attention in the field .

Speaker 1

So essentially it's like a oh my god , I'm sorry , I thought we were gonna what's it gonna ?

Get to this part Immediately , but you just remind me of how , in a sense , it's kind of like with Goku or Broly from Dragon Ball on Franchise to where , in the sense is like they may not be the brightest bulb in the classroom but when it comes to combat they're like geniuses in that field . And that just brings up the whole debate on the Omnitrix .

Let's talk about the Omnitrix real quick . This device contains the DNA of hundreds , thousand , millions of aliens when you can transform to any of those aliens and even add to one point where , in ultimate alien , you can like upgrade that alien to where it can be a stronger version of itself .

Essentially , it got to a point to where Ben 10 became like a Mutant Pokemon clone , because you collect all these different aliens and then you can evolve those aliens .

I'm sorry it was looking like a Pokemon , but Point being is that Imagine if Ben was able to get the DNA of Aliens that we know in other universes , like Kryptonian sayings and whatnot , will be the real power scaling of all that shit . Yeah , yeah . So that's what I'm saying , like .

My thing is Take Ben Tennyson out the equation and Imagine damn near anybody else with the Omnitrix on the wrist . I'm just trying to figure out how dangerous of a concept that is .

That's like imagine if , instead of Thanos going after the infinity gauntlet , he went after the Omnitrix , because in a sense you just turn to alien X and boom , he doesn't even need the infinity stones , he just got an alien that can literally recreate the universe or Just do Deus Egg Machina type shit .

Speaker 3

No , it'll be , especially in the Marvel universe . That's a , that's , that's a very Overpowered tool , to be honest .

And then the fact that , see , that's the thing , like I'll only assume , without knowing the full history of the Omnitrix , you would think it's a watch with just a couple aliens on it , but really it could actually clone any type of alien DNA's On anybody else's wrist .

I shoot you could probably clone Omniman's fucking planet of people , like you said , the Kryptonians , and then just whatever power scaling it goes through , you might even be able to evolve past .

You know I'm saying some of those Inhabitants might be able to get to , like , say , for example , if you to use the Omnitrix around early Dragonball days before the Super Saiyan 3 , and you absorb , you know I'm saying , their DNA and then you was able to unlock the Super Saiyan within them before they was able to Because it's in their blood .

You see what I'm saying . So , like the power scaling could be . It's very unpredictable at a point like that , but I wouldn't , I wouldn't , I wouldn't undermine it at all , considering like how deep it already gets into it . Like you gotta understand it was made by a fucking alien jinx .

Right , this of the worldly device , la Soda for the beyond Earth and fucking just Solidify itself like that . That's just kind of crazy .

Speaker 1

Now the funny thing is that the Omnitrix was originally sent to earth to be sent to grandpa max on . You know Ben's grandfather , who is a seasoned plumber and that's the funny thing about plumbers , that's a . That's the clever thing that I liked about these series where you can just run around , be like , oh , what you do for a living .

I'm like I'm a plumber . I'm like , oh well , that's cool . I mean , they make decent money . They make decent money , right . Oh yeah , that's cool . That's cool , that's what you love do the school , and that's right . But hold on , I'm like , oh , you thought I'm one of those Mario and Luigi type of no , no , no , no , no , no .

I'm one of those blasting aliens in the fucking head , men in black X file type , shit , yeah , and then you know what ? I'm gonna get to more characters later , but tell us my boy , let's talk about the band . Let's talk about the band list .

Speaker 2

First off , before we even go to the band list . First off for you with the band list . We'll do this like it is . Um , shame on you both . You both are thinking well within the box as far as that , as far as the omni tree . So let's be real , ladies and gentlemen .

Um , for those of you that are watching this or hearing this and everything else in between amongst the world , hi , my name is Talos Gundam . I am your resident Mecca enthusiast . I am also the keeper of the omni tricks , my damn stuff .

Let's first , let's first and foremost , put this in perspective , ladies and gentlemen that watch is by far Stronger than any character you can throw against it . I say this again that watch , it's stronger than any character you can throw against it in the literal universe .

That's , if we're not putting limiters on anything , if we're not putting limiters on anything , yeah , yeah , that's that's , that's just a bad , that's just a bad day . I want y'all to understand why I say this . Folks are thinking oh hey , you know , we giving him the Kryptonian DNA or we're giving him a Saiyan's DNA and stuff .

No , no , no , no , cuz I'm a type person that'll tell you wholeheartedly A to the X is one of the weakest Aliens in his arsenal , and that's simply because it takes three of them . Thanos wouldn't be able to do anything with alien X because it takes three of them . The other two have to agree with .

Inside was inside his head , and if they don't agree , then they're just gonna sit there and they can get punched . You up on it May not feel it , but they can get beat up on all day and things will go on around them . For artists , sure , once they all come to an unanimous decision . Yeah , they're strong , they're strong as hell , but they have flaws .

Let's go with stuff that ain't got flaws , shall we ? Let's ? Let's go with something ain't got flaws , that don't that . That does not have this , alright , so Be real with you . Throw in Sonic .

Speaker 1

Yeah , folks , sonic is an alien . Yeah , yeah , I was like thinking , oh shit , that's right , he's alien counts of it .

Speaker 2

Sonic is an alien . Sonic is not a normal hedgehog . Normal hedgehogs don't do what he does . As a matter of fact , let's even be , let's even be remotely busted . Right , we have the ultimate drinks . We just don't have the regular omni trick . We have the ultimate Alright . What would be all Sonic's ultimate form ? You would think hypersonic .

No , no , no , no , no , no , no , no . Let's go deep into the darkness of the world and introduce you to fleetway Sonic , the motherfucker that literally come out of the Archie comics , that does not give a damn and will kill you regardless . Yeah oh yeah , you see what I did there , right ? Uh-huh Okay .

Yeah that being said , think about it before we even get to the bands . Think about it Given the right person with the right knowledge and I'm talking about somebody who has a tactical prowess and a tactical genius right , that's a bad day for anybody on any planet , any universe , any multiverse .

You can't throw anybody out there to be like , oh yeah , nah , this one to be who , who , super boy , prime , oh no , I'm just gonna speak with oh yeah , glory hi , let's not get into the , let's not get into the band aliens .

So if you're gonna say that cool means I'm just gonna turn into a literally uh , lefty , oh no , I ain't got any got to go too far , let's just , let's just go with lefty . For those of you that have not watched the video , please check it out .

Speaker 1

Uh-huh Well we'll look at the link on our page .

Speaker 2

But , yes , there's a video out where , uh , the homie of ours literally Talked about two of my favorite , one of which being lefty

Discussion on Powerful Anime Characters

. I want to call him a chrono sapien , because not what he is . He the chronological . I'm probably butchering the fucking word , but it's like he's a chronological sapien , something like that . However , let's just put it like he is lefty is the original one punch man . I've said this on the video for him .

I'm gonna say it again he's the original one punch man . This man can punch you out of existence . He touches you with his fists , and that's the point about this . Folks saying , oh no , he's got to hit you hard enough . No , all you got to do is make a contact with his fist . It can be a gentle scrape , that's it . You're gone .

Speaker 1

That's the reason why he's so deadly . To my magic to gathering People , imagine a creature with depth touch . You don't even have to be strong if he hit . If he touched you , if you like one finger , you're dead . That's but yeah . But no , it goes beyond that . I like how the explanation to lefty , by erasing you out of existence , it erases your whole history .

Like , say , prince , you punch a tank . Uds erase the entire existence of tanks out of the existence of History and see folks are just thinking , oh okay , that's just within this universe . No , that's existence , that's multiple universes , that's all of them .

Speaker 2

Children . He , he erases you from every universe , multi-burst , whatever your name is , that name no longer exists . He I forget the anime character that literally did this , but literally Just basically said the color blue doesn't exist anymore .

Speaker 1

Oh , I know who you talk . Oh , no , that dude about that character .

Speaker 2

But that power is in Lefty , that power is in lefty . Instead of him saying it , he punches it . Yeah so yeah , and here's the other thing about it , as far as it goes , because most of us will be like okay , so if he can't , he just regularly touch something and it shouldn't have no problem .

Here's the problem with that right , and here's why they're banned , because not all the information is out on them . Apparently , it's not just him punching , he can just touch stuff . Hmm , so if he just touches something with his hands , that's it . If you touch his hands , I don't care if you're trying to go and cut his hands off .

It's gonna vanish , it's gonna cease to exist , it's gonna be like you never tried that . You can't get into his range .

Speaker 1

It's like Seagoraki , but worse , like like you'll just decay if you get touched by Seagoraki , but no , with lefty . You just don't exist in any recorded history of all .

Speaker 2

As far as it goes with his , uh , with his race . Apparently his race is fast as fuck . They're like , they're . They're like the other speedy race that uh Ben has .

Speaker 1

Oh , yeah , it's like it's solar ray and yeah , they're like yeah , they're like them .

Speaker 2

So it's just like they . It's , it's like oh no , they're not just gonna stand still . No , they , they're coming to you . So speed blitz him all day long . Okay cool , be fit . You're just bringing yourself to the inevitable . Go ahead and kill yourself off , then right , let's , let's continue .

While we're on the subject of banned aliens , let me give you the one that everybody knows and actually cares about rad scare , oh .

Speaker 1

No , you mean fucking father from kiss nectar in final boss form , where he became literal Anti existence . I mean , if you want to call him that sure .

Speaker 2

I mean he was like him . I mean rad scare is basically the predator of all alien exists . Hmm , his existence is based on non-existence . Get the theme of them . Yeah there , his existence is based on non-existence , so Like from nothingness .

Speaker 1

It was like an enemy , like from somewhere , like I'm thinking , like growing on . No , that may not be it , but it was some sort of being that was based on non-existence . But I don't know , I must be .

Speaker 2

But regardless , they eat Alien X is like Everybody that claims oh , alien X is so strong . Yeah , there's a , there's a being that's stronger than them . Yeah , they eat alien X . And while alien X has to take , you know , it's three people , it's supposed to be three people in there . No , rad scare is just one being , he has one mind .

It's not three minds in one , it's one mind . He doesn't have that , he doesn't have that time limit . It's just hey , I can go kill him Regardless . Before I continue , I would like to make this note I am not here to literally just bust out and just say oh , ben is Ben , is just I , not just You're saying Ben is way too broken or Ben can't be defeated .

Speaker 1

No , no , Ben can be defeated .

Speaker 2

Don't get me wrong , ben can be defeated . The omni tricks , if it was not on any limiter Can't be .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's the main discussion right here for this pro loop . It's where , like I just said , it's where .

Omniverse

Get Ben Tennyson out of the equation and imagine someone with actual comp . Well , I won't say actual combat sense , but more Season , more experience , more knowledgeable combat sense with the omni tricks .

You know someone who's like Kind of like kill mongering the sense to where I've been training my whole life for this moment and he actually gets it and I'm like , oh no , oh yeah .

Speaker 2

So that's why I say legit . Yeah , the omni tricks is a busted , busted weapon . Yeah , it's a busted weapon if you know how to use it . A lot of villains wouldn't be able to handle Because it wouldn't . They wouldn't truthfully . And I can say , oh , all right , they wouldn't truthfully know how to use it . I will give credit where credit is due .

You give it to somebody like dr Doom . Yeah , that's that's , that's yes time . That's a . That's a horrible field day .

Speaker 1

I'm not even going to .

Speaker 2

I'm not even going to French you . That is a horrible field day . Giving it to somebody like Thanos , no , thanos won't use it correctly . However , giving it to somebody like dark side , on the other end of that spectrum , dark side will fuck your life up because , hey , dark side will realize why do I now need the anti-life equation ?

I am the anti-life equation Boom just cut out the middleman cut out the middleman . So just saying it's there , the possibilities are there , you know . So understand like it is , mmm , there's so much that can be done with the omnitrix , like I , I kid you not . I kid you not . Here's a little side note for you . I have an original character . I will .

I have Two original characters that are based around the omnitrix . They're shapeshifters . They're there's their shapeshifter . If I want to go into more detail on them , they're kajik shape shifters . They're twins . They are both . They were both separated At birth from each other because of the kajik races Standards upon that .

However , here's the thing about their powers the more people and more beings they interact with , the more forms they get . So because of the teams well , in the case of the male , because of the teams that the team that he's on , because of the team that he's on , he literally , literally , became a god .

And all the reason I can say he became a god is because of the simple fact that the beings that he has come in contact with Nobody on gods , green earth and in you realm can mess with him Like you legit would have to come from their actual realm in order to even remotely stand a chance against him .

And that's just male , female , wise hey , she's almost , she's a lot worse . She's a lot worse because with her abilities she can still do the same thing , but she gets stronger stuff . If people willingly , willingly give her a form , they don't have to die to give her that form . They can just simply say hey , you can be me If she's given permission .

That's just basically it . And that's exactly where it glides the concept of the omni tricks and the ultimatrix . They Basically have taken the dna and are giving another being permission to become those aliens .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

So , yeah . Let's , let's , let's go real quick , let's go real quick , right ? So we're gonna pull up , we're gonna give you here , I'm gonna give you , I'm gonna give you some of the other ones . Let me give you some some of the others . Let's give you the black hole itself eson , blue . Eson is , as it says , literal black hole .

Eson , however , it's not just a normal black hole . Eson literally Grows from everything it absorbs . If eson was , if you turn into eson on earth , eson will not only take from how can I say eson will take basically from the world . Eson will literally Swallow the entire universe . Wow , like .

Speaker 1

So it just makes you wonder , like , for what reason would you ever need to use eson for other than you know what ? Fuck this whole universe ?

Speaker 2

I'm done like like end all . Eson is an end , all be all . Like there's nothing that you can do like it doesn't even matter . You could try to be like i'ma snap eson out of existence . No , eson is one of those things . It's just the reason why these aliens are the way they are . It's like At the best right .

I'll give you two of them that you could probably deal with shock rock and zilch . Shock rock is an alien race that literally sends a beacon to each other so that way they can come to that planet and take over . Um , zilch is a mycelium , zilch is basically fungus itself .

Zilch will literally Take control of people With , you know , with spores and everything else of that nature . All right , them two right there , relatively easy enough to handle . Out of the , out of the tent , like they're . They're relatively easy enough to handle . It's once you start to get to lefty on up .

That is horrible , because lefty eson , gaia , a polyon snuff , grow pretty dark and Rad scare are literally aliens that you cannot snap out of existence .

Speaker 1

I'm gonna say , um , it was one . Uh , was it terreras ? It would like a fucking .

Speaker 2

Who we will not talk about . Terreras Terrorists would make 11 . Terrorists with terreras would literally well , no , terreras makes it 10 . I'll be , I'll put like that terreras makes it 10 , but terreras is based on an scp . You can't kill terraced . Oh right , remember , because it's based on an scp , that's literally you can't kill it . It can't die .

No matter what you do to it , it can't die . Sure , it can take damage all day long , but it heals that damage relatively fast . And then that same amount . Basically think doomsday , but an immortal .

Speaker 1

Yeah , he got like that Immortal , barbarian rage going on to where he just seeing red the whole time and just Ravaging through everybody and the fact that he's immortal . I'm like , yeah , that's just .

Speaker 2

But the difference with terreras and amongst everybody else , whereas , like with ben , they , you know they will give ben Everything a little bit . You know they'll give Ben certain stuff , certain abilities , like when he comes out of them , okay terreras , terreras will turn him completely .

Terreras is not even an evil and it's not even remotely the the lines of evil like vilgax . No , terreras can simply remove everything from existence except me . That's literally how a lot of them are .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

That's literally how a lot of them are . Another one that literally is broken Snuff grub . Snuff grub is a moth . Snuff grub is literally a moth that sleeps . It's in its normal , you know Normal race . They sleep . They only wake up to eat and then they go back to sleep . But because ben is a human , ben has to be awake at some point .

Because of that , if he goes into snuff grub , snuff grub comes in awake and that means it's gonna be hungry and it will eat , and when it eats it grows . Sounds like eson , doesn't it ? But the only difference is eson , like I said , eson bloot . Eson bloot just disintegrates everything . Snuff grub just eats everything .

Snuff grub can eat everything in a universe .

Speaker 1

Then I thought the shower had arms . Cosmic hunger .

Speaker 2

I hope , but then you have have Gaia .

Speaker 1

Yeah , like Nya .

Speaker 2

Gaia is a Planet , is just bear , is being Relatively nice . Yeah , I is literally what I think they said . Ten times bigger than the Sun , gaia would literally block out the Sun and cause mass genocide on the earth . Think about it Gaia was to be literally Transformed into .

Yeah , gaia is going to be so large that it will literally cause genocide , like it's gravitational pull and everything else is just uh . Then you got two of my other few . Got two of my other favorites a poly in the pretty dark .

Speaker 1

I like how , yeah , I like how well Paulie is , like how they were saying that , since we , his ability works like a mantra suit from Naruto to where it's just never ending flames , or something like that .

Speaker 2

Like I said , a poly in . Yeah , here's the thing . Right , and I before matter , fact you before I go through and Continue on . Ladies and gentlemen , these aliens a lot of them , except for shock rock and zilch are Literally not cannon at the current moment . They have been talked about but they are not currently Cannon .

So before you get into your head , oh shit , there can and we just haven't seen . No , they're not cannon . They possibly can be , but currently they're not right . And I would , and I'm gonna be real with you , I rather hope they stay that way .

I'm gonna be honest , I rather them just be a nice concept than to actually become cannon , because if they were ever able to be used , when I would be mad , they would dilute them to just be able to be used , but the same time I would be like , yeah , this universe is supposed to be ended , that's supposed to be gone , so no Going back to it .

Two of them a Polly and in prayer , dark , basically , fire and ice . Polly and Polly and flames are my rock suit , they are my mirror , a mythic , they are my rock suit times 1000 . They do . His flames do not go out Unless his victim or whatever he's fighting . It's turned to ash .

That's the only time they go out , meaning as long as it got fuel , it's still there . It's cooking a Poly and a poly in is just that hot . A Poly and can you nuke the earth and a matter of seconds that's hellfire . That's literal . You can heal fire . Then his opposite , predator , predator , is literally ice .

And reason why we say Fred are literally ice because predator absorbs heat . A Predator Predator absorbs heat even from the core of the earth and to the point where he will absorb heat from human beings and freeze them solid .

Speaker 1

It's imagine someone transform to a predator . Yeah , like , amen , give me a hug . I like , oh no .

Speaker 2

He doesn't have to hug you Once he turns the pleasure . It's like I cool ice age again . All that heat is going to rush towards Predator . Everybody else is going to start to feel cold everywhere . I pray for those people that are close to him . But Predator is just that and , like I said , going through all of these , these are just . These are just the top .

These are just the 10 band aliens . These are 10 band .

Speaker 1

See this kind makes me wonder , like , okay , not to try to give them ideas , but let's be real here with the way Television and movies and what not going to , where they're trying to aim more towards getting new shows directly to the streaming services , right ?

So Since Ben 10 was normally on well , exclusively on Cartoon Network , the move to make is to put an adult version of Ben 10 if something like that is in the works on max , hbo Max , if you prefer , and what I'm suggesting is Kind of like what Marvel did with what if , but instead it's just been , or whoever has the omnitrix and they Transform into these

different aliens on the ban list and that's just gonna be a Mini series , you know , like a short run , pre-meditated series to where it's like , okay , we'll just let y'all know . Well , the aliens that we do not talk about it . Okay , we showed y'all for the one time , so y'all know that . This is why it's banned .

Speaker 2

Hmm , look , that was the happenin

Dark Version of Ben 10 Pitch

. Out case , I would say , no , do it like they did . Do it just how they did , tight , basically how Marvel and everything else takes . From there they change it into different continuities . Hey , make it where the universe if they do do it on max , make it where the universe for Ben 10 , us on max is a lot darker .

Yeah , make it where it's like okay , hey , this has been , ben has been through some stuff and so now Ben truthfully doesn't care too much . He didn't , he didn't have to fight , he's doing some things . So make it where all right , cool . Especially .

In particular , if anything , I wouldn't , I wouldn't literally have Essen or Gaia up here , right , right , my friend , I wouldn't have Essen , gaia , snuff grub or zilch , I wouldn't have those . But shock rock , lefty Polly and preys arc yeah them , for I would literally be like I cool , use them . The kills would be gruesome , but guess what ?

It would be lovely , right , see , lovely .

Speaker 1

That's what I'm saying . Like it doesn't have to be long , like I'm not even asking for like 24 episodes or you know , the standard is more .

Speaker 2

like it could be like six episodes with just six different aliens , that's it , yeah yeah , like you know , like that would be , like it definitely would be , you know , hey , this would be lovely .

Speaker 1

Just show that Ben tank and get really adult .

Because and me in fact , because , honestly , as far as the dark factor , there is some moments in the been temp franchise to wear Okay , this is getting like kind of door , but not like oh shit , like not like some shows where it just seems like it just really dark unintentionally , but it was kind of getting edgy , you can say .

And what I noticed about Omniverse is how , speaking of edge , they decided to incorporate this Slime creature called scud to where essentially been 10 go on some symbiosis fireman aren't , to where essentially he can upgrade his aliens to have the like abilities of other aliens .

But at the same time it's like , okay , you got this little slime dude that's coming off kind of rude and obnoxious . So it kind of felt like that . So I'm gonna say kind of punch it up with the darkness where it's like , okay , what if , like , shit got real and hell , what if grandpa man's got assassinated ?

Speaker 2

like Ben might go on a revenge trip or something like you know , like I would say yeah , I just really like , in truth , in truth , like I just really want to show full heartly hey , this is what echo , echo can do , because if we're gonna talk about dark , we gonna talk about echo , echo .

Speaker 1

Yeah , because what echo echo is like okay , yeah , you can . Well , that's the funny thing is I remember this one show called like a thousand A thousand one ways of diets , where it's one time we were with sound waves like if you get at certain decibel levels , long as it , yeah , that can't really like literally Kill you . It'll kill you , but go ahead .

Speaker 2

But see , here's the thing right echo , echo . For those that don't , for those that remember and for those that don't echo echo has a Ultimate form as well ultimate echo echo .

When Kevin Literally went back and we went back to the dark side for a hot second , echo echo whooped his ass across an entire military field , same way he did this other dude , but you know , echo echo literally whooped his ass across an entire military field and it wasn't for the simple fact that Ben still had a slight heart , slight , slight heart .

He was about to die . Ultimate echo echo , literally , was about to blow his mind out . Yeah , so , yeah , yeah , this was that moment . This is that moment . Let's just , this is that moment in history where you just literally say I Been been called dark street , I give that he won .

He won just for the kids at that moment , absolutely , absolutely not because , as much as much as kids want to be like hey , yeah , I like echo , echo , echo , echo is cool , echo , echo is a monster . Yeah , when pissed off , echo , echo is a monster like that .

Speaker 1

See , and that's another thing what kind of threw me off a loop . I'm gonna talk about one alien particular where kind of was the favorite to some of the members of the inner circle . But before I get to that play , why are you feeling bold and so far , um , it's just blowing your mind a little bit . What's how you feeling ?

Speaker 3

Yeah , my bad , as soon as you asked me that question , my girl wanted comments . But I've been living , I've been taking in a lot of this shit , a lot , like I say , I've only got up to the prologue but , like I said , I don't undermine the omnitrix and what is capable of cuz , like I haven't seen much .

But I've seen Ben grow and like I say like Maybe it was all fair , yes , it was intended for his grandpa , but you know we're earth time and then , yeah , it's just a human construct in general . So they probably didn't consider Him not having a thousand year lifespan . So he's over there and retired that shit over with .

So you know say , but let me take that accountability . So , like I said , we may be faithful his bloodline to have it . So it was . You know , Ben walked up on the guy . So it's right Directly grandpa was helping him on those adventures and still came out of retirement to kind of go back flying Like for what all I've been hearing .

It just seemed like fucking omnitrix is just more pee than I honestly kind of Assume yeah , I know a lot of this shit . Like it may sense , though , because like , like , there's a like , I mean a shit like every time we get on here but it's always a month with me , like I'm always like learning some shit .

And then it's like , when I'm thinking about this , though , it's like he says , like really , eat the omnitrix , because even if you were to be an alien out there , you still got a whole lot more to play with . You have to readapt everything else the omitrix honestly ain't nothing to fuck around with .

Like to be honest , like you could have , like an alien that could , like I would have , there was a way to get all the fucking aliens out that shit at once . Now I understand , kevin was . I noticed in the beginning , but Kevin was able to like somehow absorb it and like use Different parts of the alien well , omnitrix . Oh yeah .

Speaker 1

How do we tell him that ? How do we tell him no ?

Speaker 2

I got it , I'll be , can do . That called no time . Literally , literally , what happens is then can go , if he , if he hits the bitch and he goes and he , he unlocks it and it says no time to memo . You know how he literally has 10 minutes literally for a All right , cool things . Hmm , no time . Then boom , go .

From one alien combo , boom , another alien combos in , boom . He can keep comboing all night long .

Yes , that's the reason why , like an omniverse and , oh , and you know , an ultimate omniverse , stuff of that nature like You'll see Ben messing with even when he started in the original yeah messing with , tweaking with it and everything else and it gets even more bus , it gets even more busted .

Speaker 1

when you hear about been ten thousand and how he unlocked it to a point where he can become ultimate been to where essentially just Access , all the like he doesn't even have to never really go human ever again , is like he just Because perpetual Changing between incelerae and all these other different aliens , so he will never have to be a human ever again , like

so , that's pretty much no time limit right there .

Speaker 2

Yeah , like he never has to be a human . It's just up to him whether he chooses to or not . That's , that's the reason why I say like legit people don't understand , because there has always been that debate of can Ben truthfully be the same and can he beat Superman and this ? That the third , and I will tell folks all day long .

Speaker 1

Yeah , been Tennyson , no , but anybody the right person with the Omni tricks , that's a different story .

Speaker 2

No been ten , cannot , and I want you to . I say that cuz Ben plays around too much . Yeah , ben , ben plays around too much . But if I'm going to be real and I'm gonna be like , alright , cool , let's put somebody out there really can do this , I will . I will tell you upfront I will hand to Chala Fucking Omni tricks all day long .

I Will hand to Chala the Omni tricks and it's gonna be a real ugly day . I'm talking about very ugly I feel it .

Speaker 1

I played boy had to bounce for a moment , so yeah , I saw yeah , but hopefully we'll be doing . But we have some more people who said that they were gonna jump it on . But Ah , what is it ?

We're gonna talk about with oh yeah , we're gonna say talk about some characters , but there was another character , a fan favorite of the inner circles , that I want to talk about specifically . We want to talk about dark . Let's talk about ghost freak for a moment .

How it seems like essentially with ghost freaks race his , their consciousness is so Molecular that even the tiniest rent of DNA their conscious still lives . So when Ben got well , the Omni tricks got that DNA sample ghost freak or whatever his real name is because they try Something different then eventually they call it the scare and I'm like okay , whatever .

But point being is that ghost freak has always been like the rogue alien within the watch and I'm like really that's a fan favorite , I Get it , but I'm like it's okay . I guess it's okay . You know like I'm thinking , like you know Danny Phantom , but I guess I Mean .

Speaker 2

Okay , so ghost freak .

Ghost Freak and Other Ben 10 Villains Discussion

Ghost freak is like I said , ghost freak is just oh .

Speaker 1

Oh God , it wasn't there a character in Danny Phantom called ghost freak ? Oh my god , okay , no , go ahead .

Speaker 2

Go ahead . Ghost freak is just . I do mean that ghost freak is it ? Ghost freak , literally , is that character . That's just like yo . You know he's a pain , he's an annoying pain . You would think that , okay , hey , he's gonna be very hard to beat .

I'm not , really not really Understand if you have not called up to Ben 10 , but at this point , living in a benton is out , has been out for the longest , so there are no such thing as spoilers with Benton . Oh right , legit , it's trash . I'm sorry , I was like , I was hoping , I like oh shit , nope , nope .

Ghost freak is literally one of those aliens that I'm just like , yeah , he's , he's not really anything to worry about . Ghost freak just allows for , hey , I can pass through walls , I Can . I can pass through walls for a minute or so , or I can take possession of somebody once again , a lesser , danny Phantom .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's what I'm saying . So at least with Danny . Phantom is like ectoblad ghostly whale . I'm like Danny panicking lap around ghost freak . In my honest opinion , even when ghost freak got that true form like he was no different , he's just ugly .

Speaker 2

Ha , that part , that part , so it's like he really didn't do anything . So , yeah , I don't see , I don't see much of ghost freak doing doing anything , and Once again , there are several other enemies that I would say did a whole lot better than ghost freak .

So , yeah , yeah , ghost freak was just that enemy that is just like hey , we just need one to fill the spot in when billgax can't be here .

Speaker 1

Well , to be fair , like okay , that's true , but out of villains other than billgax , I would have to say Back when I was first watching the series , like we got the alien , ultimate alien , and you know what , I was kind of digging an aggregate for a moment because it was like , okay , not only finding out that Kevin 11 ease this half alien , by the way , the

one thing that didn't like about this franchise is how , for some reason , they just can't Commit to a backstory for Kevin 11 , because it was like , okay , any original you . He was like maybe he's got this mutant powers where he can like absorb elements and become that element .

And then just thought , you know what , what if I absorb the power of the omnitrix and you know all those different aliens and blah , blah , blah . That was their thing in the original series . Then , during alien force and ultimate alien , then it's become the find out that , oh , he was half alien the whole time and aggogor was his long lost father .

That was pretty much , you know , did the anime dad trope and wanted ultimate power for the sake of ultimate power . That's just the main thing . He got absorbed the power of the omnitrix and then he was like , okay , I got all this power now .

Now I'm powerful enough to get this literal infinity stone , like you know , an infinity symbol that was segmented and then he had to collect all the parts to put together so that he can go to the alien X on race and absorb their power . So he can just be omnidrix .

So this dude was essentially a megalomaniac and you would think that , yeah , they had this whole arc . And then as soon as that whole arc was done and Kevin finally beat his dad he that was funny thing too younger Ben showed up and convinced him . He pulled an Aaron Jaeger on Kevin .

You know how we're going to talk about tech on Titan , but when Aaron Jaeger was talking to all his father Grisha about , oh , I thought you got it , but no , in this case young Ben was like , hey , remember , you can absorb the power from the omnitrix , you can beat him . And like everybody was saying like yo , you know , damn well , that's a bad idea .

But Kevin went for it and he did be aggogor . But Kevin became evil again and went on his road guard again . And then young Ben was like , oh well , you know , shit happens .

Speaker 4

But when you mean shit happens .

Speaker 1

You knew this was going to happen , see . That's why even though I normally don't do this like early into the review but if I were to give a rating to the Benton as a franchise , I would say it feels like a 3.5 out of 5 to a generous 4 , because I have fond memories of Benton .

But the one thing I don't like is how it seems like sometimes they try to get so convoluted with the plot that they just start doing some shit that makes no sense other than , oh well , you know , I thought it sounded cool , but in hindsight , yeah , I can't see how it looks kind of dumb and embarrassing .

Speaker 2

I get you on that . Like yeah , I definitely can agree . Like yeah , you know .

Speaker 1

See , my thing is with this franchise , it's like one of those things to where , okay , even though it was mainly targeted towards preteens , kids , I get that and with even with alien forces in the ultimate alien and omniverse , okay , it's now more open to people in , like , the late team area , I get that .

But I just feel , even then , it has so much potential . But it felt like if only you focused on the certain storyline to make it more consistent , concrete , to where , okay , it feels coherent , it feels like you're after your um know what you're doing as far as , like , giving it certain character development .

And one thing that I didn't like was back in the OG , by the way , what's up how you doing man .

Speaker 4

Fear not , citizen . Hope has arrived because I am here .

Benton and Goofy Movie Tropes

Speaker 1

So we're talking about Benton , and there was one moment that , honestly , it reminded me of a goofy movie , believe or not . It's where , essentially , great ass movie yeah , essentially Grandpa Max . He wanted to go to this concert in Chicago , right , and Benton didn't want to go there .

And then Grandpa Max got mad at Ben and was like hey , man , we did everything you want to do on this whole summer vacation . We can't do something that I want to do and that just remind me of goofy and Max all over again .

I was like damn , like as a kid I kind of relate to Max , but as an adult I relate to goofy more now because I'm like you could have just let the man go to the concert , like just hang out with the dude , please , like it's like the whole episode with Ben 10,000 all over again . You could have gave him that birthday cake gone 20 years ago .

He just couldn't be bothered . Like that's just main things where they did that right . And at one point oh , in fact it was this very same episode that Kevin 11 was introduced . I remember this one and Ben was basically going on this rebellious streak and he was just doing shit to where he just lost trust from Grandpa Max .

And at the very end of the episode he was like you're going to have to earn my trust again . Very next episode . Everything's all good , what the fuck .

I'm sorry , but it just felt like one of those tropes where it's a new thing that I hate now the status quo tropes where essentially there was your perfect chance to have character development right there to where okay , let's have a consistent arc of character development .

To where Ben has to learn to trust others and that was pretty much his whole arc throughout the entire original series to where Ben 10 was acting like such a solo at and his ego as a hero that he was forgetting that he has his cousin and his grandpa helping him where in reality , they've been a team a whole time but he's thinking that he's a one man act .

That's not how it worked in that series and the fact that matter is like I just really hate it when they have this moment where you did something that changed the entire dynamic of the relationships , but the very next episode you pretend like it doesn't happen . I'm like no , no , I hate that shit bro .

Speaker 2

I agree , most definitely .

Speaker 4

Did y'all talk about the color green ?

Speaker 2

No , no , no , we haven't really talked , but this is just basically a general thing . We mostly were just talking about , like , our thoughts about the omnitrix , the band aliens though you know those situations .

We really hadn't talked too much about anything else and like we like we all can't came to agree that , hey , the omnitrix , the ultimate tricks , you know , all of the watches are literally way more OP than majority of every superhero or supervillain that you could ever find out there .

I agree with that , I'm sorry , even versus all might , because there's nothing that all might can , there's nothing that she can , rocky can do against this watch .

Speaker 1

I mean , we were just talking about how with one of the band aliens , lefty . Okay , so you know she got rocky . It's where his decay work . If you touch you , your decayed right , no , right , right . Now , hold on , buckle up for this one Lefty . He makes one punch man look like a bitch . Why Hold on ?

Wait , wait , a minute , wait , wait , because if he punch you , he doesn't have to really punch you , just got to be in proximity . You are erased from existence and that means every possible universe that you could have possibly existed , your whole history , your whole lineage gone .

Speaker 2

Oh , hold on . You remember Naruto , when .

Speaker 4

Naruto was fighting to do that dude . What's the name ? The almighty push Let me hit you with something real quick . Hit them with a punch and the wind from the punch hit that Right .

Speaker 2

Let me hit you with something , because I want you to understand something . When we talk about lefty because lefty is one of my most favorites we talk about lefty and we say lefty will erase you from existence , we don't just mean okay , hey , you know you're erased from this universe .

No , you're gone from every multiverse , that your name is ever in every multiverse , your powers and abilities don't exist . People forget God . Leave that , that's , that's , that's this is complete oblivion complete oblivion , complete oblivion . Ain't no certain thing . Oh , I'm a speed blitz . No , lefty has , lefty has speed of his own .

But if you , even it doesn't matter if it raises you , if it , if you get barely touched , you're gone .

Speaker 4

That's crazy .

Comparing Power and Abilities in Anime

Speaker 1

Like it can be like you know what Naruto Sage modes , where if he tried to punch you and you dodge the punch , it's like that second punch where he's like you get knocked , like with that sage energy . Yeah , it can be something like that . It's like if he even hit you with that left and you dodge it , like that proximity is all he needs , damn .

Speaker 4

Well , yeah , I see the comparison to one punch .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I'm like yeah they don't .

Speaker 2

when they compared him to one punch man , they were not fucking around , but I bet he couldn't be Goku . He's not going to give in .

Speaker 1

Oh dude , like hold on , hold on , like here's another thing that blew my fucking mind at the end of omniverse , like I think it was like the last villain that they ever faced . Ben turned into an alien and he literally pulled a Giorno Gervana on him to where , okay , you'll never reach the truth ?

To where he had to witness his own death for infinity , and that's one of the unbanned aliens . So it's like imagine getting stuck in Itachi Tsukiyomi , but you're not going to be in there for like three days , you're going to be through that shit forever . See , once again , take Ben Tennyson out of the equation and imagine a real threat wearing the Omnitrix .

Speaker 2

Like I said , I'm going to be real with you . I'm going to be real with you . I'm going to be just truthfully . I'm not just make a busted superhero . Cool , I'm going to hand the watch straight over to literal T'Challa . I'm going to hand the watch to T'Challa . So that's going to be a nightmare for anybody .

Now , if I just wanted to give it to a villain , any villain , okay , cool , I'm going to give it to Dr Doom first . Thanos ain't going to be able to work it right . Thanos won't be able to work it right because , yes , on all accounts , thanos would probably , nine times out of ten , go for Alien X first .

Thanos would go for Alien X because he would want to balance the universe out , right , but forgetting that Alien X takes three , everybody . It takes three people to control Alien X , the two entities that's there plus the whole spot . So , no , that's the reason why I tell anybody Alien X is one of the weakest ones out there .

No , if I'm going for it and I want to go , end , all be all . No , I'm a hurt feelings , I want to hurt entire feelings . And this is just with the non-canon stuff , not because the ones that have not been confirmed are non-canon , but if we go canon , canon wise , that's horrible .

Yeah , um , ben has one alien that we know of , that's canon , I forget his name , but he's a walking nuclear reactor . I'm not going to fuck with that and all honesty , because you know as soon as he uh , his name is , it's energy , that's what it is Energy .

If he's basically a walking nuclear reactor , if he comes out of that suit , you can't fuck with him . Yeah , it's like that suit is basically his prison , Even though it's a body for him . That suit is basically a prison to house the inner , the inner fucker that's literally in there , Like come on .

So and that's why I'd be like folks would tell me , okay , hey , nah , you know , Super Saiyan's and stuff can beat Ben , they can beat Ben , they can't beat the watch . Yeah , Real entities , the watch it's not Ben .

Speaker 1

See , oh , that brought up a very good point . It's like a whole Iron man thing to where um , does the watch makes the hero or does the hero make the watch ?

Speaker 2

Like in the case with Tony . In the case with Tony , tony makes the fucking suit . Yeah , we , I give Tony that all day long . But the case of Ben that watch makes Ben , because Ben takes on the personalities of those aliens . It's why a lot of those aliens are so nice .

If you see , when Ben turns into Rath and then transforms back , he has a little bit of a temper man hold on . Because Rath literally makes him angry . Can I talk about ?

Speaker 1

Rath for a moment .

Speaker 2

Let me talk about .

Speaker 1

Rath for just a moment , because I like this motherfucker , like , see this Tony the tired , your looking motherfucker Like . I like his catchphrase where , let me tell you something . That's his catchphrase , right yeah , and you know , in the black community , when you hear let me tell you something , that's instant fighting words .

I am pulled off my jacket , I'm pulled off my jewelry , oh , you must ready do this , you want to do this right now . That's his energy , right there to where he's like constantly aggressive , like he's always itching for a fight .

That's why I say Rath , honestly , like , hey , man , you're going to have to keep it cool , you're going to have to slide it and cook out , but go ahead , I'm just joking .

Speaker 2

So , with that in mind , think about it right . The watch literally changes the wearer as far as how it goes and whatever alien they have . Think about this right . This is the reason being as to why , when Ben went way big .

Speaker 1

Oh , that dude .

Speaker 2

And he literally , literally . When he was way big , you could see his temperament started to change . Every time he turned away big , he was serious because way big doesn't play around . Way big is not there to play around . When way big is in normal mode , yes , sure , way big is a superhero .

Way big is like hey look , I'm not trying to hurt you , but I will if I have to Right . Ultimate way big does not care . Ultimate way big literally says if you're my enemy , I'm going to put you down , as seen when he went ultimate way big . Ultimate way big did not care . Way big was firing off everything that it and in reference to it . That is how .

That is how ultra men are way big .

Speaker 4

It has a boring set up . He only used him in everything on the line , kind of situation . Yes , basically he was losing every encounter except for his debut . Here's the thing . But to be fair , he did win in omniverse .

Speaker 2

Though . Here's the thing right . Here's the thing right . Once again , let me tell you where way big is based off of . Way big is based off of Ultraman . What do Ultraman do ? Ultraman will fight . When they're small , I'm going to tell you something . They're typically going to lose . They're the reverse of common riders , almost yeah .

However , when a Ultraman grows to giant size that tip , that human being temperament is out the window . It is a high . You're about to die . That's the reason why Way Big is the way he is .

Way Big is literally hey , we need to water this down just a tad bit , because Way Big's temperament , as seen when he went to Ultimate Way Big Ultimate Way Big was an actual freaking Ultraman . That was not no O , it's just the original alien . No , he's an Ultraman . He's literally like alright , cool , nope , stomping you the hell out .

Speaker 1

I mean , even the color scheme is the same .

Speaker 2

That part . He's literally like I'ma stump you out . Alright , cool , you're still living . Beam , beam , beam , beam , beam . Excuse me , nope , you're still alive . Ultimate slash , stomp , ultimate slash , ultimate slash . Like he wasn't going to talk at that point . That's why I'm saying I get where folks is like , some aliens are like ehh , that's because Ben had them .

Yeah . And I mean regular Ben Ben 10,000 , older Ben showed what it showed what happens when he uses quote unquote boring aliens .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's like imagine , like see , we kind of sort of talked about this before , but it's like imagine Goku when he had ultra instinct sign . Or imagine Luffy when he just awakened gear 5 , to where he might know a little something about how to use it , but once he had to get that working , once he had to practice and become like Ben 10,000 .

Oh , it's like imagine Super Saiyans where they actually , you know , test the full potential of each form , like that whole thing they had going on with the cell saga , to where , okay , they're Super Saiyan and they're Super Saiyan grade two and Super Saiyan grade three .

Essentially , the whole point is to test out the limitations of each alien to a point to where you now have muscle memory of those aliens , to where it's not just like , okay , you have power , but you actually know how to fucking use these aliens .

Speaker 2

There in lies why I said what I said from the jump .

Exploring the Potential of the Omnitrix

Ben is not an issue . Ben can be killed . It's if you actually give the watch to somebody's tactician Say , for instance , let's go in the anime , you give the watch to the little luch . Oh yeah , or give the watch to somebody like the luch , or giving the watch to somebody like L .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Like legit , you giving it to somebody who has that mental capacity to say , hey , you know what , I'm not just going to use this alien the way this is used , I'm going to use it in a combination that makes that alien more deadly .

You think , on their hunting skills , because you got to think Ben doesn't treat them like eight men , doesn't treat them relatively like aliens . He treats them more so still with a human side to him . So it's like , oh wait , they're relative people . All right , cool , that's fine and dandy If you , that's fine and dandy .

If you want to have a showing for superhero , shit cool . But once again , and took I know you've seen this episode when he went echo , when he went ultimate echo , echo and beat the living hell out of Kevin , that was actual Ben like legit .

That was Ben saying fuck it , I'm gonna put my humanity to the side and I'm going to literally do what people have been asking all heroes to do Stop giving villains a chance . No , we're not like like I'm just gonna be real with you . Side note folks , I know we're out here just like that . Y'all all do the same thing . We get it .

We know how writers are . Sometimes you got to be nice to the writers and it's literally there . You have to be nice to the right because this is the way they write them . They have to write them with some sort of weakness to them . I get a lot of us like Superman when he's not so nice . So I get that .

But going back in on that same narrative , ben when he's not nice , ben when he's not nice actually pulls the omnitrix to full potential .

Speaker 1

See , here's the thing with Ben . Even with Ben in picture , this is the same kid that pulled up to the forever nice and said maybe you've forgotten for our minds . Real quick , I stopped the hybrid invasion , I defeated Bill Gax in hand to hand combat and I've beaten the forever nice more times than I can even count .

Do you understand how this gonna play out for you ? Like it's just redundant to you , to where it's like bro , like I'm that dude , you're not gonna beat me , but that's just a thing . Put the watch on someone dangerous , like with some real ambition , like , say , let's say , sid Coggino from Eminence and Shadow . Imagine him with the Omnitrix .

Speaker 4

Oh hell , no , oh hell , no , fuck , no , he already , he already , we're gonna stop . We're gonna stop right now .

Speaker 3

I was at least giving motherfuckers a chance .

Speaker 1

No no no , you say I was thinking inside the box . Okay , let's think outside the box a little bit .

Speaker 2

I'm just saying I was thinking outside the box . I'm just being like I know , hell , no , have you seen season two ? Like like there is no chance . Love , glory , nothing . Like hey , yo , hey , we're gonna do what we're gonna do was known as a pro gamer move right here , right now . We're not even gonna , we're not even gonna hit you with a beginning start .

No , fuck that , we're gonna get . Pro gamer move right now . You've lost the moment . The moment is my foot . Put this watch on . I quit . I promise you I will break forth , while right then , hey , y'all can fire me . I'm not fighting him on this script . The script calls me Get my ass , get what I'm walking off , send my check to the house . Wait .

Speaker 1

That's like saying , okay , let's put the omnitrix on Rimuru Tempest from on Reacartez's line , let's see how that pants .

Speaker 4

First off , no before or after . Demon Lord .

Speaker 2

First off , no , pick , pick one . First off , no , because we're not even talking about before or after demon Lord , because after demon Lord there's a whole nother fucking syllable of shit that comes up with that a dragon Lord or true dragon . I ain't got time for that shit either .

Speaker 4

Wait a minute .

Speaker 2

What , what ? Oh yeah , go read , go believe me , believe me , go read . No , because , like I said , like I said , once again , I'm . I'm not trying to spoil you but they fucked with his teammates yet again .

Speaker 4

And they learn , they listen .

Speaker 1

I mean , I'm going to teach you this lesson , old man .

Speaker 2

Look , they fuck with his teammates again . And then he brought his teammates back to his side and said excuse me , a moment , now I'm fixing to go rampage . Daddy got something to do and he walked that dog from one one instance of the motherfucking room to the next . Y'all know how King , y'all know how King Lion literally be getting that lead .

He said come on , come on , come on . Yeah yeah , he did that shit .

Speaker 4

They don't understand about the power of friendship .

Speaker 1

So I'm just saying right .

Speaker 2

I'm just saying and letting people know Okay , it's the watch .

Speaker 1

Okay , you know what , I'll dial it down a little bit . Okay , sit , congenital was a little ambitious , all right . All right , hold on . I don't know what . Ayano Koji from classroom of the elite with the omniscient oh , hell , no , okay .

Speaker 4

So if we're doing that , you know what ? You might as well just say Captain Levi , yeah .

Speaker 2

Fuck you , that's even that's . That's relatively worse .

Speaker 1

I mean , that's what I'm saying , like okay come on , man , I was trying to dial it down , man , you just brought it back up , but not just a little bit . I'm like we by the same as well . The fucking army trades what you mean .

Speaker 2

Let's do this . Let's do this in a relative way . If we , if we gonna really , you know , if we gonna really be be just rude . You want to be rude ? Right , go ahead . If you want to be rude , right , alright , cool , let's , let's , let's be relatively rude . Let's , let's be relatively rude , let's , let's give , let's give one team an entire chance .

Let's change their whole entire . Let's change their home . You know saying let's change the whole entire storyline , right , we're gonna give that watch to talk to me from a comic I killed . Watch this whole and watch that whole storyline . Go from where , hey , your favorite people just died . To all them niggas live .

Speaker 1

I , my bro , is like the omnitrix will be the imperial arm that beats all imperial arms . I'm like you don't really need the others once you have the omnitrix like that's just out broken . I'm like it's gonna be the most one-sided fight ever .

Speaker 4

What if light had it though ?

Speaker 2

Oh , we already said it . Oh yeah if like y'all to me , if like if L Jesus Christ , hey , ain't no such thing , yeah , hmm , all right . All right , that nigga , like a nigga , really is going to become a shinigami , cuz you got to think . You got to think . Reyuk is not human , by all accounts . He can turn into reyuk .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Yeah , anything outside of your species , that's and this is the reason why the watch is so fucking fucked up Anything outside of your species is considered alien .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and see , that's the thing it's like . That doesn't mean like extraterrestrial per se , just more like it just collects the DNA of certain species . So it's like so here's .

Speaker 2

So here's a real fucked up shit . Right , let's , let's , let's put this in reverse , let's , let's put this in , let's put this in real , in real time , reverse . I'm going to take . Let's see what will be relatively a relatively alien , or relatively species of alien from an entire .

Speaker 4

Muzon .

Speaker 1

Oh , I mean okay , at least with Sakura , with the omniscient thoughts .

Speaker 2

No , no , no , Sakura would be Sakura still be relatively dangerous yeah that's what I'm saying , like you'll be more .

Speaker 4

Find a way to fuck it up again .

Speaker 2

Sakura has strength , like you regular regular strength . Sakura has strength .

Speaker 4

Yeah , that's sweet . Sakura has yeah that's it , that's literally it .

Speaker 2

That's all you basically need as far as a base for no , no , no no . Yes , yes yes yes , right , rock Lee has a bunch of fucking string . Rock Lee also has tactic , tactician skills in him to Soccer has Sakura has an unnatural level of fucking strength .

Speaker 1

You got that gorilla .

Speaker 4

Control . That was it yeah .

Speaker 2

I'm well that was it . Let me see , I'm gonna just like take a week , take a weak alien race right and hand them the omni trills . That means everything outside of their races now is alien to them .

Speaker 4

Americans .

Speaker 2

Nemeke is okay .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , right , we'll use . Well , man , man , no , no , we won't use the fighting . Nemeke is , we're gonna use the one to run the right . Yeah , right , so we're gonna give him the watch . All right , I want you to think about some right . To them , humans are an alien race . Hmm , what would happen if they had to watch and they got human DNA ?

I want you to think about it , right . What would the strongest form of a human be to them ? Go cool .

Speaker 1

No , I mean what ? What is saying ?

Speaker 4

He's probably saying I mean , that's still an alien race . Yeah , that's what you're saying , but what ? What hurt what ?

Speaker 2

would it , what would they , what would it know ? Her key would be her key .

Speaker 4

Technically , go cool is a force .

Speaker 1

Oh so everybody .

Speaker 2

So think about this , right , and I'm gonna take it outside the universe . Right , take it outside the universe . The strongest human being that you could possibly think about within concept would be Batman .

Well , anybody in the , anybody in the bat family riches , no , strongest as far as human being wise , anybody that's within the bat family would technically be relatively one of the strongest or stronger humans to another race and I'm talking about one that's relatively , as far as it goes , still human , not like oh I'm , I got , you know , I relatively got power , or

nothing like that .

Speaker 1

No , no , you're saying , You're talking about peak human .

Speaker 2

Like like that has peak human strength that look at Batman .

Speaker 4

Yeah , you do . Punch the shit out of my face .

Speaker 2

That'll be Batman , and the reason why I can say it would be Batman is because it legit peak human strength .

Speaker 1

Batman is literally unless I'm overthinking and not thinking about some people , I Mean a lot of them that has peak human straight , like Captain America has peak human strength .

Speaker 2

But Captain America has a super serum .

Speaker 1

Oh yeah , yeah , I'm talking about just like without it like majority . Okay , so just your training .

Speaker 2

Yeah , like back the bat family would be that okay okay , so think about it , give me them .

Speaker 4

Technically , the black Panther gets power , gets power from a plant . Yeah , that's a natural plan .

Speaker 2

I get that , but also to . I'm just saying like outside of that though we could say black panthers will , because without the herb they're still fucking strong .

Speaker 1

We're talking no supplements , no nothing , just yes , push up , sit up like the site , thomas stander but it's like almost full fucking site .

Speaker 2

Thomas , a regular workout .

Speaker 1

Yeah , just a regular workout . Yeah , you just worked out , that's it . Just going to the gym , that's it .

Speaker 2

So that's why I say like legit . It would be relatively like yeah , you know , that's something to see . If you look at From another racist standpoint , strongest Human would look like that . That's , that's gonna be some shit . I .

Speaker 1

Mean , yeah , like the strongest human I believe they can at least like lived and throw like hundreds of pounds . So yeah .

Speaker 2

So you're just like you , looking at you like , yeah , yeah , that's , that's gonna be wild .

Speaker 1

Yeah , it's like , essentially , you access human DNA at peak human strength and If you're like weak , if that alien race is weaker than a peak human , then that's just the automatic strength buff right there . So , and also considering that humans we are very versatile when it comes to like Coming up with technology and whatnot , so it's like a very versatile Form .

We really think about it . But that's this kind of thing with humanity . It's like we put limitations on ourselves , but sometimes we need to be put in check because sometimes you , you know the horrors of humanity , to where We've gone too far a few times in our history . So , to be fair , there needs to be some sort of limitation , but not extreme limitations .

Speaker 2

You know there's like gray areas and shit , but yeah , and speaking of limitations , let me ask y'all this right Go ahead . So here's something and I really want to figure this out y'all Do you feel like the omnitrix should be limited ?

Being that we're just in the beginning here , and since this is just a general area , do you feel like the omnitrix should be limited , like ? Do you feel like it's that much of a threat that it should be limited ? Or do you feel like the limiters should be off For a lot of times to actually make it stand a chance more so ?

Speaker 1

That's just a thing . It's gonna be like some spider-man logic for me to wear . You know , with great power comes great responsibility , which is funny because , tuc , I know you're a spider-man fan and if you remember , in omniverse I mentioned this earlier , but how essentially Benton goes through a simple spider-man arc with that Slime aliens .

Good , but that's beside the point point being is that with great power come great responsibility .

Responsibility and Art Style in Ben 10

It really depends on who's wearing the watch . Now , if it's someone that you slide , I don't know about you . So okay , yeah , put a limiter on it .

But if it was like someone like asthma , to where he understands the full scope of the dangers that the omnitrix can impose , then okay , I don't mind you having the limiter off , as long as I can trust you to be fully Responsible over your uses of the watch . So I'm like I like I want to say yeah , but it really depends on who's wearing the watch .

Speaker 4

Okay , that's so fast , but how will we determine ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's the tricky part .

Speaker 4

Similar to like you know , like I don't know , like Harry Potter , you know , the sorting hat knows your heart , your future , your past , your present .

Speaker 1

But think about it . This is like Sometimes . I think what if what counts as morally wrong on earth doesn't apply to other aliens ?

Speaker 4

and yeah .

Speaker 1

Because our laws may not apply to aliens . So like say , for instance , if you're a criminal , by human or earth logic , that's one thing , but the crimes that you committed on earth is nothing compared to the other aliens . So I'm like that that would feel like a little fair I'm .

But you know , I'm just trying to think like we're thinking we're humans , we , we don't really know if there's even extra threshold life out there , but I can only imagine that even if there is , maybe , I mean yeah , I mean we can't . Oh yeah , it's like you remember when they were saying like , oh yeah , just to Keep some drama quiet .

They're like okay , yeah , we just gonna admit that aliens are realized . Okay , cool , so what else is new ? More people is on the earth to . But nah , like point being is that you're right , it really depends , like because what cost ? You know ? That's the thing .

Rick and Morty also did this too to where they were talking about how good and evil are just constructs , really social constructs . So it's like it's almost like who would you give it ? Would you trust this person to have an open carry gun license ? That's . It's kind of like that same kind of logic to where it's like Evil .

Speaker 4

Yes , like no good evil does only power in those two weeks .

Speaker 1

Bright , right , so it's gonna be like what Abraham Lincoln's wants to and . I'm sorry I'm gonna keep saying this line because it's so , it rings so true and so many factors to where , if you want to test a man's Character , give him power .

So , once again , for the most part , in general , yes , but if the wearer proves themselves to be very responsible with the power , I I might give it a trial run on , give it like no time limit or whatever , no limiters , and If they fuck up and I'm like , okay , that's it , we're putting that limiter back on and I'm gonna keep an eye on you from now on .

But Other than that , for most part I think it's just be safe . Yeah , there should be some sort of limitation and you know what that brings up . Another point I like the improvision and been to franchise , so what .

You know that part where Hit , the only truth , will have a mind of its own and instead of giving been the alien that he wanted , he gives him something different and they have to find some unique , different , improvised way to solve the problem .

That's why I liked about the show twerp Okay , you're using an alien that you wouldn't use , you wouldn't think of using in this situation , but you have to actually use your head to try to think of ways to get around the problem .

And that's the thing that will make been Tennyson very dangerous , where you're using aliens and ways that you thought you wouldn't use , to a point where , once you keep using that alien , you already have the most of memory and the experience to use certain abilities to Become a really dangerous companion .

You know me so , yeah , really depends on the wielder , it really depends what else .

Speaker 4

I want to say fuck the color green . The original series . It felt more organic because of the stuff they used for both the world and . But the moment we went the alien force , everything went and changed , fucked up . But it was because of but , it was because they fucked up . That's what I want to get it , but I wonder .

I want you to bear in mind that on reverse , it got the best art style too . It reminds me of anime , low-key , what . But what they fucked up is , uh , they wanted everybody to know who Ben was when he kept changing . Right , they wanted to know who it was . So they changed the color . Everybody else look a certain color and Ben look a different color .

Then they changed in other ways too . So if all the motherfuckers was naked , they made it . So his eyes was different In omniverse . Alright , everybody wearing green shorts and belts and being a , it's like damn my fucking . If you gonna fuck it up , at least fix it instead of changing all the colors . Now the colors are fucked up .

The art style to make the art style look trash .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I was just saying , I know you Just jump on late , but man , I was just telling him , tell us employee boy . Man , look , I don't even know if I want to watch the reboot Because it just like something straight up PBS kids . So I don't know .

Yeah , I might gonna have to like fight me on that one , like I Might mention it later on the extreme review . But I don't , I don't , I don't know , I'm not feeling it like . See what omniverse I like the artwork on ? I didn't mind that at all , but that's when I just started fading in and out .

But yeah , I was just saying with omniverse , at least with the fight scenes , the fight scenes was way more interesting to wear the fight scenes in the original three . Okay , not bad , not gas . But it felt like the action in omniverse was more action path or you know Now that the franchise itself chured a little bit , more is more Okay .

Well , we pretty much got the storyline down , pat . Now let's talk about like , let's just get crazy with the aliens and the fighting and whatnot . And also , I Just wanted to point out that we were talking about Secret Saturday .

Well , I just found out that they had a crossover episode in omniverse with Secret Saturdays and that was a show that I really liked when I was a kid and they just revealed that the Benton universe share a universe with the Secret Saturdays and I'm like you know what he might do a review on that later on down the line .

But for the most part , like I said , benton as a whole , 3.5 stars out of five , maybe a generous four because for the most part it it had great potential but the execution of it Wasn't that great because it just felt a little Inconsistent sometimes with the characterization , the character development and all that yeah , 3.5 for me too .

Speaker 4

I wouldn't even argue that it should be a four , but that's mostly for an instructor .

Speaker 1

Yeah , that's the only thing . It only gets a fourth per second the stars , because at least it still holds up to a degree . I'm like most shit to where . It's like some shit , you'll go back to it . It's like mmm , this is not age as well , I thought it did , but then 10 , you can go back into it .

Speaker 4

I'm like okay , I still like it because I was trying to put this baby it's a one-year-old baby . I was trying to put this baby on regular shows instead of miss Rachel . I was like nah bro , we finna watch Dragon Tales for all truth . I was watching and I was like this ain't even the same .

Speaker 2

But yeah , so I'm giving it a four and the reason I'm giving it a four and start at start this I want y'all to understand why is because I can already tell you by the end of it .

I will probably you know this just for will be a solid four and it's gonna be the overall Concept because of how been ten is and how it's been , how it went and how it was going . Um , I liked it for majority of everything . The reboot itself . It's the only one that literally does not get a pass with me because of the art style .

It's more so the art style than anything . Yeah , but yeah , that's enough .

Speaker 1

It's like I want to believe that the story they did change some things with okay , um , story wise it might have done things a little bit better not completely better , but okay , I like some of the changes in the reboot , but that our styles gonna be real hard to get used to . It just feels like uh-huh . It just feels like uh-huh .

Childhood, Christmas Movies, and Attack

This is a little too childhood for my taste . Like I say , I'm a kid at heart , but this is a little too child for me . But you know what , let's go ahead and wrap it up , because I got some shit to do . But you know we're gonna do the extreme reviews at some point and we got a whole bunch of shit going on . You know what took .

I was thinking about how we were talking about a whole bunch of Christmas movies that we gonna be doing , and you know what for the culture , let's go ahead and do the Friday trilogy .

Okay , friday trilogy , let's get it , yes , sir , for the culture and you know this man and , of course , we're gonna have a Very fun time talking about tack on Titan in next week . Whoo yeah . We're gonna have like a new voice coming on . She gone , tell us how she goes about those series on her theories and whatnot .

But I feel like I have like more people than we know when we have one attack on sight because , come on man , 10 years later and the anime finally concluded , we gotta talk about attack on right now . It's basically all the twists and turns that it made to get to where it is . But Until that time comes , remember to stay nerdy and made a nostalgia .

Never die . Take it easy , nerds .

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