Billie Eilish

St. Lo, Apple Music. I find it really hard to write about my exact feelings in my life. And so what was I made for would never have ever been written, even though it is every single lyric is exactly. How I feel. Exactly how I feel. Every lyric, exactly how I feel. You hear me? Or you w look at my mouth. It's exactly how I feel.

about my life. Anyway. You got that? It's exactly how she feels. And we assume it's always going to be as soon as she sits down with Phineas and starts to write songs, but as you're about to hear, until the opportunity to write this song for the Barbie film came along. It wasn't as simple as that. Billy and Phineas needed this Time.

and comfort to create it from within the cinematic universe to be able to shake off where they've been and figure out where they're going. Well this is a good day. Another song. Oh gosh, I know. You come out with these one like just these moments. They're not attached to anything like a on a large scale for you and for your brother or anything. They're attached to movies, but they exist on their own terms, like it's your song. Like you made this

like about your life. Whereas a lot of songs about movies tend to lean more into the narrative and I just maybe they're the same thing. I don't know. Well This is the thing. This is the thing. This is the thing, yeah. This is the thing. I can't wait to talk all about it. There's a lot to discuss on it. It's good to see you. You too. You look great. Thanks. Yeah, you look great. You look great, man. I'm doing all right, I'm doing all right. Um so

I don't know whether I beg I begin at the beginning or I begin at the new beginning. Let's let's talk about why you did the song and and how you got involved in the movie and we'll we'll we'll work back from there. God, it's so funny that it's all hap like it's all out now or like coming out now. Yeah. Um, because it's been such a like secret for so long. Um, let me think, how did this start up? So

I wanna say at some point at the end of last year, Phineas was like, Dude, would you wanna like make a song for Barbie? And I was like What? I was like, what kind where did you get that question? Why did that come into your brain? And he was like, Well

you know, I I was talking to so and so and it came up and talking to Mark and and Greta and da da da. And he's like uh there's like some random day in December Phineas goes um Phineas goes, we're gonna No no no. I get a text, it's like a group text and it's me, Phineas, and then two other numbers. And suddenly Phineas is like, Hey, this is Billy's number

And I look and I'm like, I don't know what the hell is going on. Like there's no pre I don't know what's going on. But you gotta trust Phineas at this point. I gotta trust Venice. It's a good thing. I know it's a good thing. Yeah. And then it's like, hey this is Greta, hey this is Mark. Mark Ronson and Greeta Girl, right? Correct. And I'm like

Oh, okay. So then they basically send a couple I don't know, they they explain stuff. Greta explains some things about the movie. Is this the first you've heard of the movie? This is I had heard of it when it was when the internet heard of it, like a year ago and they were shooting and everyone was like, Oh my god, it's Margo Robin. Right, gosh, that's all this stuff. Um, anyway, Phineas goes at one point. Um, Phineas is like

And I'm like, cool. Like, no team, no no like anything else. Like that was it. And we we got on a call with them. Greta explained to us the movie and

it was just the sweetest, most pure thing in the world. And of course, like Phineas and I went into this Honestly, in a very selfish way of like, we totally might not have anything to do with this movie, but like I wanna see it. Yeah. Like show me. I wanna see it. Well I wonder how that that balance is when you are a fan of something that's coming out and then inevitably someone wants you to

to take part and collaborate and helping to make it even better and you're like, do I just keep it as a fan experience? I know. I know. Like what if I don't deliver to my standards and now I watch this movie and I didn't I didn't get the song done. I know. Well this was the thing is that I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to make something. I I I I might not, right? And then Greta was like, We want you to see the movie. So

Come to wherever. We'll we'll show you as much as we have. This is January, I think, sixteenth this year. And it's like a rainy day. And it's just me and Phineas and we went to Warner Brothers. And uh it was literally me and Phineas and Greta and like a couple of her producers.

And it's never been that sparse, like ever. It's always been like this to her as well. Right. And she was like gonna have a baby in like five days and she was like, I'm I this is just the craziest thing. Yeah. And you know, I went into it being like

R I I had no idea what to expect. I went into it not thinking that anything would necessarily come of it. I was like, I just wanna see this movie. This is so cool. I'm honored to even be like thought of, whatever. And also like, dude, a Barbie movie is So easy to make

N bad. Trash yeah. You know? I was like, dude, is this gonna blow? Like I don't and I was like, it's Greta though, so it can't, but it might. I don't know. Good people make bad stuff all the time. We've seen it. And so I was like It's a lot of pressure too because there's so much good that Barbie has done and there's so much bad that Barbie has done.

Well this is the really inter No now we're going right back. Even before your experience with Barbie and and and what it meant to you as a kid, like like billions of other people, you know, well over a billion dolls sold. Yeah. Which means it's always going to be the subject of intense conversation and debate.

Well there's so much controversy. There's a lot of people who For good reason. Absolutely. A lot of people who um and so much research. Like when I was like brushing up on Barbie, like Harvard academic research into the impact of Barbie. I know. It's crazy.

That's addressing all of it and also really good and also really funny and also really moving and beautiful and cool. I mean it was shocking. In a way when you when you put it like that,'cause everything you're saying about stakes being high is absolutely valid. But when you put it like that, you realize it's probably the biggest open goal in modern cinema because so much has been done at uh about the Barbie story, which is just

So like I'm a Barbie girl or don't I'm no Barbie, don't push me over like everyone's leaned into that narrative for so long. I know. That to actually update it and lean into the the the slogan which is you can be anything. Mm-hmm. That's it was kind of there for the taking in a strange way. I mean for sure. And I I really had no idea what to expect and again I was like really nervous for her and she played us the first like thirty, forty minutes of the movie.

And I mean, like a minute in, Phineas and I looked at each other like, This is gonna be great. Whoa. This is insane. And every like she'd play a scene and she'd walk in front of us and she'd go, So Um and the next part, um, it it th what I want it to be is I want it to really feel like this and she'd do her Greta Gurwig ass thing and she'd come up and she'd show us her passion and tell us all and she kept getting up and walking all the way down to the front of the theater to tell us about

the next part and explain it. And she was just like, it's so scary to show anybody this. It's like my baby and She wanted you to feel it. She wanted to really explain it and give it all of the like context that it needed. And you know what's funny is that

We went into it not being like we're going to write something, this is what it's gonna be for. She didn't say like, you know, here's a scene. There was nothing. She was literally like, I don't care, please just like If you're inspired, make something and like if you're not, that's fine. It's fine. Like I'm just like it would be my dream. And literally the next day we were working and we were writing something and

I don't know, it was kind of a dud of a day. Like nothing was really made. And it was late and I was like, all right, well, I think I'm gonna go. Like we've done enough. We we're we're we're done for the day. And Phineas was like Should we try to write a Barbie song? And I literally was like, dog. No what? Like we're not gonna make uh come on. Like I thought about like no time to die. That was That was months of thinking and talking and coming up with different melodies and stuff. And

And that was also like one of my favorite processes of all time. Very different though. But very different. And I was like, There's we can't recreate that. Like, how are we gonna do that? And we we truly sat down And Phineas started playing piano. And those First couple of lyrics. I used to float. Now I just fall down. Just came right out. And we just now I'm not sure.

Uh but I'm not sure now what I was made for. And then uh And and what I was made for came out in that moment. Oh you know it was cute. It's so good. We kinda did. It's so We kinda did.

It's so good when you can um and also like respect to Phineas because not only obviously does he know you better than anybody, but also He he's a r like an incredibly gifted producer to recognize that perhaps a hint of that frustration you'd experience throughout the day would just leave the door ajar just enough for you to want to do something else.

Right? Right. Just around the corner is something that's the direct contrast to that experience. Yeah, I know. What I was made for. And as soon as you got that, you guys must have had that moment where you just high fives and cracked up laughing, which was seen on camera because that's the that's the essence of the song. You cracked it. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Well also we this was also I I have to say that like I don't know. I we we'd really been having a a Both of us. Like usually it's just me with the writer's block. But not even writer's block, but just the like frustration in writing. And Phineas has always been the one of that's like, No no no, like let's write, let's write. And honestly we were in a a period of time where we were both

Like through the this last winter, we've both been like incredibly uninspired. And we've still been working and trying to make stuff, and honestly, that That song was like the first thing we'd written in a minute. And so even though we were having coming up with ideas and coming up with this and that, like It was like and you know, I I remember after we wrote that first like half, I go I think we still got it. Yeah. Like we were really in a zone of feeling like we lost it and feeling like

Man, I don't know if we're I don't know if we can do this anymore. And and we were like I was about fifteen years old, sixteen, seventeen and he's a teenager like you can imagine my thoughts of doubt like, oh, I can't do this anymore and Barbie And Greta just like

pulled it. Pulled it out of me. I don't know. Took you back to the essence where something was was very real before it got distracting, maybe. You know? And I think, you know the relationship like it's not lost on anyone who who knows you that um it it's it's a lot to try to absorb at all times and remain true to the craft of being a songwriter, which is all that truly matters at the end of the day, right? It's what it's what you need to communicate and express yourself. And Barbie

Took you back to that place where something came along and captured your imagination and you just tapped into that thing. What was your relationship like with your first Barbie? What did it mean to you as a kid? Oh gosh. Well I mean Barbie was my my childhood. Like truly Barbie was my my I mean it's like a beautiful doll. Like please. I mean it's like a you know, she's

She's everything too. She's like she's everyone. She's She there's so there's so many Barbies and there's so many like different versions and different you know, all my Barbies had their own p personalities and opinions and thoughts and um, you know, styles and like

ideas of the world and I was just like a little kid, you know, talking for them, but they still had personality to me. There's something about it that allow when you're at a certain age that allows you to to to sort of create an identity vicariously through something that isn't

telling you for real what to do or not to do in life. Mm-hmm. It listens to you. Mm-hmm. And it can also like educate you, but it's sort of giving you a voice to educate yourself. I know. I know. In a strange way. Did you play with dolls ever? I had a few little action man and and some and some like, you know, just some war stuff as a kid, but I grew out of that pretty quick. I I I I don't know, my imagination once I got sucked into not to be cliche but once I got sucked into music.

I did it for you. Yeah. It was really hard for me to kind of put myself in any other scene. Like it's nothing else was as fulfilling as as music. That's right. So as a as a kid, when you when you're playing with your Barbie, if you can sort of remember like how it influences your identity, because we've talked a little bit about

the studies that go into the positive impacts, well, the negative impact seems to be the loudest one that it has in terms of body image and whatnot. Um and also this idea of being um you know, uh uh in the beginning like a home like a homemaker and a mother and all these sort of things. It's like okay. And then and then but then people forget that I think I can't remember what the numbers, but Barbie's actually held down more than three hundred or five hundred jobs. since she was

First created and put in front of the world. So that slogan of you can be anything truly exists. So I I wonder where that fell in in in y into your imagination and as you were forming your identity. God, I mean I wonder too. You know, is it the kind of thing you don't realize when you're when it's happening? Yeah. Like the whole, you know, the the unrealistic body standards that I think most dolls in general and especially Barbie uh was it uh a creator of. But like, I mean

you know, e i the whole world has been the thing that's made unrealistic body standards for women a thing. It's not just Barbie, but it is also Barbie. Right. Um, but you know, it's funny like I when I'm when you're a kid you're not like necessarily conscious that it's affecting you, but of course it is. You know, you don't

You know, you you start growing your parts and you're growing up and you're like, Oh, I do not look like a Barbie. I don't I don't feel like I look like a Barbie. I don't feel like a Barbie. I don't look like one. And um it definitely gets in your head. I didn't I wasn't very conscious of it until I got older. But this is like I'm not blaming Barbie. Honestly, I think of Barbie and I only think of like joy and like

fun than like my childhood and um it's more just like that I'm conscious of what how it affected you. But also it's like, you know, there's a scene in the end of the movie that I won't spoil but like kind of talks about like Barbie is None of us are Barbie. Like Barbie is Barbie. Like why can't we have it something okay, I get it, it's complicated. But also isn't the idea of having toys and dolls and and

I mean m action figures or or objects of war, tanks, toy tanks. Yeah, but you're not it's not you. Isn't it yeah, isn't it about kind of e allowing your imagination to to decide what stays and what goes and where where affects you. For sure. And I thought of it that way. And I think it's more just like there should a also be the ones that are like, Oh, I see myself in this Barbie

If something sticks around for long enough, like what's that line you you know, you're a hero until you s live long enough to be the villain? I mean I think when when Barbie's been around for like sixty plus years, eventually everyone's gonna find ways to recontextualize what it means and no one's right, no one's wrong. Yeah. It's very individual.

But it is awesome to see a movie like this come out where the world seems ex genuinely excited. Mm-hmm. Like I texted someone involved in this movie this morning who's working at a high level and I said I I haven't seen a campaign really capture the world's imagination like this for a while. I know. I'm I'm really stoked about it. I I was like Because also knowing about it before anybody really before it was like

the the whole process had started. I I just had h I I was like, Ooh, I hope they go hard. And they really have. Like the whole the everything pink and the whole press tour and all of Margot's looks being all like archival Barbie looks is so cool. Was it a good party last night? It was really amazing to be there and like I don't know, just talking to some of the cast members and

looking around and seeing all these other musicians that I know and like that I'm a fan of. It's just really cool. Like, you know, Nicki Minaj is two girls behind me. Fucking Kevin Parker is right there. Haim is right there. Ryan, Margot, Greta. Like they're all right here. Kate McKinnon's right in front of me. And it's cool that musicians can all come together and and celebrate something that isn't all on your shoulders. Yeah.

I know. And also that it's like it's not about me. Like this is not about me. I'm I'm, you know, I think that what was I made for is like It's it's it's Barbie's voice, you know? It's it's it's your voice. It's anybody's voice. It is, but there are as always with you and and Phineas, there are always lines. Yeah. Always moments.

Something you paid for was like, wow for me. I mean. Well. Yeah. I mean it's it's it is. It's it's that moment where you have to acknowledge that there are different types of love. Right? Yeah. And that some love is transactional. Simply put. It's nothing bad about it. gross, that's what being a fan is. We support each other, but it is

But it's but it's true. It's true. It is true, yeah. And I think that it's really it was awesome to hear that put so poignantly in a song and so honestly in a song. It's why we all love your songs, is because you're unafraid in that moment. What was it like to when you wrote that? We know you felt good when you got the the the center of the song. How did it feel when it d started to delve into areas that felt quite personal? God, it's actually really fascinating to think about. So

The beginning of writing the song. This is gonna sound stupid, okay? We're way past that, you and I, by the way, conversation. All right. So the the start of writing the song, the first day of writing. Phineas and I especially me, because it's, you know, from my perspective We were purely only thinking about Barbie. I did not think about myself once in the writing process. So that's like full first verse. Pre chorus, chorus, maybe second verse. All in one one night.

Didn't think about my own life, didn't think about how I feel, didn't think about anything. I was purely inspired by this movie and this character and the way I thought she would feel and wrote about that. And then Over the next couple of days, I was listening and I was like Girl. How did this h honestly, and I really don't mean this to come off like a conceited way at all, but I do this thing where I make stuff that I don't even know is

Like, like I'm writing for myself and I don't even know it. And it is One of the most incredible things I get to experience in my life. Probably the closest thing anybody will ever get to having a conversation with yourself. Dude. The next week I was playing it in the car all day and playing it for everybody and I was like

This is exactly how I feel. And I didn't even mean to be saying it. Like I did it was so it was truly like the trippiest thing I've ever experienced in my life. I was like Oh, this is like oh, I I absolutely was writing about myself, but I was thinking about myself from a third person and I was thinking about myself objectively, which also made me feel really connected to Her, me. Yeah, because that connection started when you were a kid.

I know. When you were searching for your identity in a doll, trying to figure out how I mean Bobby's so glamorous and so strong and like such a go-getter in life and I can be this and you can be anything and you're like And so was I I don't know yet right? You know I don't know yet. You know what I mean? And so then you get to that point in your life and

You know, you got everything you ever wanted. And then you sort of it's I mean, there's there's lots of nice relationships going on here in these songs. You know, like something I I think is really special about this whole experience that I've been thinking about a lot is Phineas and my love for you know, making music for film is really

it it really just shows itself more and more. Um, you know, like like I said, we were really uninspired in this period of life and we were like so uncreative and not coming up with anything and nothing was inspiring. I mean, we had many hours of conversations about like I'm not inspired. I don't like stuff right now. And you know, there's something about film and TV that makes me, and I don't want to speak for Phineas, but I'd say Phineas, have this feeling of like,

I don't know, this just like i it's just it's something I was gonna say something we're made for. Like it really feels like that. Yeah,'cause you can like I said, you can You have a different filter to look the world through that doesn't feel like everyone's looking through your eyes. Yes. Well it gives you it gives you um like guidelines. It gives you it it makes it it's almost like

You know, I'm vegan and sometimes when you go to an all vegan restaurant it's like harder to pick what you want to eat. Whereas like you go to a non vegan restaurant and you got like four items. Okay, pick one of the four. And they're good enough. You're like, all right, well this is this is easier for my brain. to be I mean this is such a so not the same thing, but like in terms of like creating for something and you know, I've always said like

that I love writing from perspectives of other people and from different stories that I've heard. I find it really hard to write about my exact feelings in my life. And so what was I made for would never have ever been written, even though it is every single lyric is exactly

How I feel. Exactly how I feel. Every lyric. Exactly how I feel. You hear me? Are you w look at my mouth? It's exactly how I feel. It's about my life. Anyway, sorry. But What was I made for would not have been written because I wouldn't have thought to write it. I wouldn't have thought

You would have been second guessing every single feeling and every thought and oh man, if I say that now, if I say it's something you paid for, people are gonna think it's this and think it's that. And what's beautiful about Barbie is that you get to say it about Barbie, but it also What is the difference really at the end of the day? Isn't that kind of

What we're talking about isn't what isn't that what the movie's kind of about from what I can tell? Is like what's real and what's not, isn't it kind of all the same thing? Mm-hmm. Right. It's kinda fast. Didn't your dad work at Mattel? My dad did work at Mattel. He did not he didn't work like what Will Farrell's doing in the movie. He was like he was um what's it called? Carpenter. He was a carpenter. So he would get Mattel. He he uh

find little scraps on the ground sometimes, like little'cause he would build things. Did he bring home like Barbie legs? He would yeah he would be literally. Like like'cause I was obsessed with Barbie and he he was I mean he worked This is arguably this is this is like This is a children's film in itself. Young Billy Eilish.

Just oh my god. Just body parts. Little Here you go, dumps a whole bag of Barbie body parts. I get to make my perfect mangled Barbie parts. Well one of the things he brought back one time, which I think I still have somewhere that was my favorite thing, was there was like a A little Apple. Like he brought like a little fake

plastic pink apple. And it was like it looked like a candy apple, but it was plastic and it was just glossy, bright, Barbie pink. And he I think he found it on the ground somewhere working on s'cause you know, he was he was the one building all the He was like he was the one building the dream houses and building the sets and working, you know, all day to do that stuff and like You'd find little Barbie legs or little Barbie, you know, shoes on the ground and you'd bring them

secretly. I don't know if he was allowed to do that, but he did. Oh look at the end. Yeah, look I mean at the end of the day, I mean, you know, he's he's building the universe. He can take a couple of apples, a few legs home. And also'cause, you know, I never like went to his work but

I of course pictured it like it is in the movie I picture. Oh so he's he's actually building these inside a Barbie house. Yeah, I pictured it like just full Barbie land, just like pink and amazing. Here comes Ken to approve his new home. Um And you directed the video of course. Yes. I mean that's not even a thing. I don't even bring that up like uh wow, you directed the video. Like I know. You direct videos. I don't know that. You do you direct incredible videos.

So once you got to to grips with the fact that Bobby is you and you are Bobby, at least in the parameters of this beautiful song, um, how did you find directing this video? It's special. It's special to me. Um it's really I don't know, I feel I love all my videos and some of them of course have aged poorly, but I still really love them all and I'm Things can age without aging poorly. But this one I think

I don't know. I feel I feel really proud of it. I feel like, you know, in the first conversations of like with the team about what I wanted the video to be. It was one of those things, you know

Where it was like, all right, you have any ideas for the video? And of course I'm like, no And then I'm like, oh yeah I do. Like it's already like I don't even I don't realize that it's there, but I and it wasn't the full plot, it was literally just an image. It was just it was just Me turned to the r like like forty grief degree angle left profile. uh Barbie blonde Barbie wig, yellow dress.

kind of sage green background, desk, doing something on the desk. Don't know what it is. That's all I see. And that was that was the idea. And then um and then it was more of a discussion of like how what what am I doing at the desk? What the hell is the video about? Let's figure it out. I know. I mean to be in a situation at this point where you can continue to w write songs at the h at at the highest level and then

have developed a trust within yourself to see the vision through. I know. Everyone will trust you, Billy, but you gotta trust your own vision. It's different. Again, like I said, you know You can be really talented. I'm not saying that's me, I'm saying people can be really talented people can be really talented and have made really good stuff and they can make really bad stuff. Sure.

We've seen it. Mm-hmm. I've done it. Mm. People people I've made bad shit. I have. I have. I'm not gonna focus on it. Okay, but I'm just saying that it is possible. And so, you know, even if I have an idea that I think could be cool. I don't think we're ever gonna we're ne we're never gonna assume that's not gonna look this is the thing with whenever you come back with music or anything, a tour

By the way, great job on the on Swarm. I mean you owned that that episode. Thank you. That was fun, right? It was amazing. Oh my god. More of that? Yes, please. Uh there's so much I uh uh we're just checking in. There's lows to talk about in the future when there's stuff to talk about. Um and I'm keeping you from going and hanging out with Phineas. So of course my journalistic machinery is gonna kick in and ask you There was pre Barbie where it was sort of

the gears were grinding, mhm and now ba and now you finish this song. It's beautiful. It it it's a reminder of what you and Phineas are capable of when you're at your most natural and and it's and undistracted. W how has it been after that, the creativity side of things? Recently, really good. Recently, really good. We're we're um hitting some sort of stride, I think. We're making stuff. Stuff is being made. I'm thinking about

I'm thinking about the future. There must be a little bit of less pressure now that you've done multiple sort of tours over multiple projects and you know that You'd think th you'd think. But I don't know. It I think I will say I've felt an un R ridicula a ridiculous amount of pressure for the last

you know, year of like writing and, you know, making an album and whatever and Honestly honestly, I was sitting with Labyrinth at the Met and you know, he was talking about he was we were talking about music, music and making music and you know, what am I working on and I was like I don't fucking know, man. I I don't know. I'm like

I don't know what to make. Like I feel like what I wanna make is like I don't know if people will like it or even if it's good. And he he I don't really remember exactly how the conversation went, but he said something that was like Who cares? Like make what you want to make. Make what you want to make. Which is such a like simple ass thing to say that I would have said if he'd done the same thing, but honestly, I was like,

Oh. Well in a weird way it's the first time you've you've actually ha be probably acknowledged that For a long time because Happier than ever, the way I always felt was the identity and the framework and the definition of that album to some degree was a reaction to what you'd been through before. Right. So it kind of gave you at least a head start on where you should go. A hundred percent. And also I wasn't thinking about what people would want. You know, it it made me really think like

Whoa, like the way that I s you know, started off and how I how I first navigated all this was I did not give an absolute fuck. I was like, I'm I'm gonna do I I don't care. I'm gonna do exactly what I want and I don't care who likes it at all. Because also I didn't think anyone would. Well it sounded like it. I mean uh look, we can all go back and we can listen to Oceanize and go, duh. But at the time

You know, those that heard it and loved it w knew how special it was, but no one knew it was going to start this whole experience. Why would it have? Right. You know, it's like the kind of thing that that doesn't happen. Yeah, I know. Tell me about it. And, you know, I just I didn't I didn't ever think it was gonna become anything, so why would I have been making it to become anything? I was making what I wanted. Well here's the good news. Well, here's here's my little addition to to the um

the ever expanding philosophy of the young genius labyrinth and he'll always be young genius to me because, you know, as soon as I heard on board I was like, You're just gonna be a young genius for real, like no matter how old you get. Um No one can ever take that feeling away from you and that sense of purpose away from you. No one. No one. Doesn't matter whether one person buys a record or watches your video or or no one. Doesn't matter. No one can ever take that away from you or Phineas.

So just to add to it, like it just remember that. Like it's not like anyone has any investment ownership over your life or your career or your inspiration or what you want to make. Yeah. No one. That's true. And why why make Stuff I don't like. I never did that before, so why why do that now? This this Barbie experience and this song was such a good testament of like, oh, this is just raw, like this is and also we didn't you know, think we didn't have any idea that

it would go one way or the other. We didn't we didn't know if they would like it or want to use it or not wanna and so we just made the song that we were inspired to make instead of, you know, something else and, you know, it's a depressing little songy. So I love your shoes by the way. This whole like significant like severe nut allergy vibe is off the chart right here. Yeah dude, I'm trolling. I'm trolling these bitches. Like me at the fucking premiere, uh I look like a

giant toddler. It was But I'm like I'm I'm trolling bro. Aren't you always in a way? Yes. Isn't that the point? Yes, dude. Like what am I gonna please? I tried to take myself seriously with the happier than ever period and I was like, okay. Did that. Let's do something else. I say sorry to Phineas for holding you back for a few minutes. I know that you're late for a studio session. Um We're going to we're we're off to make some songs that we'll do another interview about in a year.