Good team. It's Harps, it's Georgia, it's Melissa, it's us, it's you. It's the Bloody You project. Ah couldn't be happier. It's Monday. The birds are singing, the bees are buzzing, the grass as green as fuck, the sky's blue. There's good energy in Hampton. I've had my coffee, my sympathetic nervous systems white as fuck up. I'm about indorphins, dopamine. I get paid for this, Melissa. This is my actual job.
It's crazy, isn't it. It's crazyiculous. Someone's gonna work it out suited up.
And in the last week we had one hundred and ten thousand listeners, half a million people a month tune into this little fucking extravaganza. What is that about?
Absolutely crazy? But hey, you keep it coming. We're loving it. So thank you to everybody that he's listening.
Mary, my beautiful mother, everyone who most of you know. Mary thinks I still work on the wireless. There's a show on the wireless, bless. I've only told her forty seven times what a fucking podcast is anyway. Georgie Coughlin aka coggas hi.
O, good morning Cray good morning, Melissa.
You're right.
There's a really buzzing heir at the moment, isn't there. There's something about I think it's because we're coming out of our third winter of a pandemic, Craig. We are chopping at the bit, and there's something in our spirit that's been reignited.
I think there is the energy of nature and us in that energy. Spring is when spring? When is spring? October? We're already in spring. We're in spring.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was going to say spring has sprung, but I thought maybe I got my months wrong. Spring has sprung? How did you go yesterday? Cougar's? Can I call you Cougars?
I love that you're calling me Cogo's. I love that you just know straight away what the nickname is.
Perfect Cogga's. How did you go yesterday with daylight savings? Did it throw you? Or did you just slide straight in?
I just lived straight in, Craig, because you know what I thought it was last night, so I got my days mixed up. So you know, as you would know better than anyone, the power of the mind. I just slept through the night, thinking I'll deal with that tomorrow night. I'm when I woke up realized that I'd missed the boat and I was already in daylight savings and so you ripper didn't sort of affect me. So there you go.
I just need to sort of kid myself and maybe trick my brain next time when it comes to things that I usually get anxious about.
What do you get anxious about? Are you an anxious person typically? And I'm sure it varies because we all have a bit of it.
Yeah, I'm really mixed bag. I don't think I really got into anxiety or it got me until I became mum, right, and then it sort of really hit me. And I think that catastrophizing of what could happen really hit home. And since then I've certainly been very open on my about my mental health. And I'm anxiety is probably the one thing that really can snatch me when I'm least ready for it, and meditation is my absolute savior and
life changing all that I use in my life. But I sort of have a fairly my mental health is a which we might go into is a daily routine for me, So it's a daily practice and that's changed my life. But I consider get to the point now where I don't need to manage my anxiety because I do all the other stuff that manages my mental health.
Yeah, good for you. That's amazing. We have a friend of ours who's on the show frequently. We'll call her an alumni of the You Project. Her name is doctor Jody Richardson, and she's ACE, and she has a show. I just love the name of the show. So whenever I can say it, I say it. The name of her show is well, Hollo anxiety. That's the name of her I say it like that because it's like, oh, hi, well, hello anxiety. That's the name. What I do?
I literally go, oh, good morning, anxiety here today? Are you well? Oh?
Get it, mate, what's up? What? Why are you here? It's like it, don't you think, I mean, this is a fucking dumb thing to say that. Don't you think? The mind is incredible? Like for good and bad? Like isn't it amazing that you can be in a situation practically where there's nothing bad? You know, in the moment on that day. Everything's okay, kids, a good husband's good, life's good, business, are good, got some dollars in the bank? Careers go and find there's really it like, compared to
some people in the world, your life's fucking Hollywood. But in the middle of that, you can be a train wreck because there's something going on in that brain slash mind that's telling you, no, this is a problem, something bad's going to happen, despite evidence to the contrary.
And that, for me, Craig is the work that for me is the work that I do every day, is to dissociate and separate myself from the thoughts. I mean, you know all about The Untethered Soul. I've just re read it. I absolutely love that book. And so for me, my work all the time is, oh, this is interesting. Why am I attaching to that thought? Is that my
state of mind? I repair it myself, I say, you know, okay, let's let's let's have a look before I attached to that thought, whether it be anxiety, whether it be anger, whether it be stress, whether it be fear. Why am I try and see the gap? Sit back? Why am I attaching to that? Why is that thought there? Quickly? Repair it myself? Am I underslept? Have I drunk enough water? Am I having the right foods? What am I anxious about? And then you can obviously go deeper. It's like, is
this old thinking? Am I buying into old thinking again? George, come on this pattern? Or do I want to be curious and go into new thinking?
Yes?
And then for me, the more I practiced that, the more I'm able to quickly go old thinking, don't need to do that, don't need to attach. That's either trauma from past childhood experiences, past relationships. And then I'm able to really quickly pivot now and go I'm not going to buy into today anxiety, not going to attach. So
this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to exercise, I'm going to meditate, and if it's still there, I'm going to then work out what's Is there a deeper cause, Is there's something in my body that's then in terms of my neurophysiology, is there something manifesting in my body that I need to look at like? That's probably my My biggest key is always my body. What's my body trying to tell me?
One hundred percent? And you think about the inevitability of your mind, thoughts, feelings, emotions, and body physiology being intertwined all the time. So when everything's okay in inverted commas on a practical. You know, external level, everything's fine, there are no impending problems, but you believe there is. That's cognitive Gogger's and then gogas. So you've got mine. Then the emotions buy in. Now you've got fear and anxiety
ramping up. And now that your body buys in. And I apologize to my listeners who have heard of version of this a thousand times, but all of a sudden, now your body has believed your thought, and now your body is also in the process, you know, because anxiety is overwhelmed at times. And you know what you were talking about there, which is really metacognition, is thinking about how you think, like why the fuck?
What?
Where? Where is this thought coming from? And I think I actually think in schools and beyond, we need to teach people metacognition in that we need to teach people how to think critically and independently rather than tell them what to think. We're very much a this is what you should think culture versus this is how you can create a mental and emotional kind of process that works for you because you know, well one that should be
how it is because we're all individual creatures. But stepping out of the the global programming of being told what to think and why? But now where we start having an in the moment awareness of oh, I'm feeling this, where is this coming from? And what is driving it?
And I think we're not only told what to think, We're not told to question why are you thinking that? Like? Where is this coming from? And you know, we do a lot of that in my marriage now, our marriage and meditation has changed our lives. We both meditate religiously every morning and I try and meditate at night as well. We just have that beautiful gap of that question of Wow, why am I so attached to this? Where's this coming from? Why is this? Why is this causing a reaction in me?
Rather than well, that's just me, that's just the way I am, That's just that's just who I am. That's about bringing That's how I think it's like. And I think that then changes the whole context, Craig of responding rather than reacting. So much of our world is reaction and just bang, whatever comes in, that emotion, that just comes in. And Brene Brown has helped me enormously also in distilling what those emotions are because a lot of
people refer to mainly emotions. I'm happy, I'm sad, I'm angry, or I'm frightened, and her research shows that I need to triple check because I'm not great. But there's eighty three emotions. So when you're just narrowing down to those four or five, missing out on this incredible opportunity and vocabulary to help each other understand where you're coming from. So that's also been a game changer for me. Don't
attach to the thought, why is the thought there? Do the work and work out where that thought's coming from. But our communication as a married couple has completely changed it. We'll go into a weekend sometime and say, let's talk about our expectations of what this weekend holds for both of us. Okay, I'd love a bike ride, I'd like at some point just to read a book on the
couch for an hour. So you're talking about it, what your values and what you want out of that weekend, rather than both just flying into the weekend crazy, busy, don't get what you want to do done, then get shitty and resentful, and sometime I'm sitting on the couch going, well, that was shit because I didn't get to do this I didn't get to do that. We didn't articulate it, you didn't express it. So that's changed also with our daughter,
even though she's on the eleven. We talk about expectations. The first day back of term, we talk about expectations are coming out of the pandemic? Do you think you're all going to feel a bit whatever, expectations going back in the classroom after being on homeschooling for a while. So then when she has the ship moment during the day when they're all fighting, she goes, ah, that's what Mom and I talked about. There it is. I'm not rocked by it because I go there, it is, It's
right there. And then the implications for that in the workplace are phenomenal because you have a greater understanding and better communication with each other. And rather than just saying I'm really mad or pissed off with you, I think you can change your language and say, look, I'm probably feeling disappointed. That's a very different emotion.
Yeah, yeah, so clever and so good. And for somebody who ah, that's right, you've got bloody multiple degrees in science, I'm thinking, how is this TV presents a so bloody smart? No, no, no, well, but not I didn't mean that. I meant that, how do you sound so academic? And then I realized you are an academic and you were a teacher.
I do you love science? And I love you know, I love how curious you are about the world. And when I listen to your work, I can hear that combination of your curious mind and in the logical mind and the science part. And I suppose that's where you know. My husband laughs at me all the time because I've always got some sort of book on the bedside table that's challenging me or testing me or pushing me or helping me grow. And one day you just laughed. He said, God,
you just bloody love it, don't you. You just don't let up, Like why don't you just read some sort of crap romance novel. And I said, because my mind is a growth I've got a growth mindset. And I said, if you've got well in interesting science, there's always a beautiful growth mindset of Oh my god, that it shiftshit thinking. I love having the moving sands under me the whole time to shift my thinking to a higher place.
And also when you realize that and this is not about ego or vanity or but when you realize that, wow, I'm not optimizing me. I'm not optimizing my genetic potential, my cognitive potential, my resources, my time, my energy. And would I like to be a bit better at this or that?
Well?
Yeah I would, Okay, So what's required? Would I like to be leaner or stronger or less back pain? Would I like a PhD? Would I like to write a book? Would I like to make more dough? Would I like to help people? Would I like to be the calm and the chaos greater equanimity? Would I like to be the person that people want to be around? Not for my self esteem, but because I have fucking great energy? Good? What does that look like? How do I do that?
Yeah?
And I mean I'm I'm as curious now, probably more than when I was a kid, and as excited you can probably tell now as then. And it's just for me that I think, Also because I talk to a lot of people Georgie who don't think as much of themselves as I see in them, Like if you could see and I'm not being positive, I'm not being a cheersquad. I literally see in people such amazing fucking potential, and
they just think I'm being supportive and encouraging. I'm going, if you know me, you know, I wouldn't lie, I wouldn't say I think you shit, but I'd find some way to encourage you about something. But I genuinely think you have got so much potential and so much scope and so much room for growth and fun and happiness
and joy. Because I think we tend to or yeah, we often live in like a groundhog danus of everything, of relationships, of communication, of eating, of you know, work, and then we wake up, oh fuck, I'm fifty Oh, and we're not where we want to be. And it's not because we've consciously been working to be somewhere else. We've just been almost swept. We've almost been a passenger
in our own life, you know. So this is where we start to think above the I guess the momentum of our current existence and operating system and get that higher kind of level view of, well, how's my life going? Is it fucking awesome? How am I going in the middle of that? How's my diet going, how's my body going?
How my relationships going? And we do get a bit strategic, but also You're not going to accidentally end up awesome, right, You're not going to accidentally end up calm and joyful, and like, there's work to do.
So much work to do, and it's hard, Like it's really hard. I'm yet to meet someone who is enlightened who hasn't done the work. And obviously, if we could get there without the pain and the trauma, sure there are few, there are very rare individuals that can get there.
But usually that's what is it's the uncomfortableness, and it's sitting in that pain, and it's sitting in that moment where you go, my life is shit, Like I don't love this person I'm married to, or I have a really bad relationship with most people my like, what's wrong with me? You know what? When you were talking then I think what really resonates with me? I'm so passionate about making and helping people get a greater sense of self.
Nothing gives me more joy than not telling someone what to do, not telling them how great they are, but either modeling or showing them to empower themselves to be the best version of who they are for them, not for anyone else, but for them. And I love Mary and Williamson's quote that our greatest fear is not our failures. Our greatest fear is how magnificent we can be. I'm paraphrasing here, but that one day when I was in my life a really tough time, that just hit me
in the heart. Because we are constantly turning our volume down and adjusting who we are often keep everybody else happy. And the greatest gift I've given myself is realizing that external validation and everything out here never ever going to give me joy. Deepak Chapra's most powerful quote for me
is everything I desire within me. And so as soon as I do the work and I go in, even now when I have moments of insecurity, when you're in the media and you're constantly you know you never won't get a worse industry where comparison is the death of joy. As soon as you start to step outside yourself and you're getting out into someone else's and you're staying to compare and whatever, it's like, whoaa, well stop, come back in, do the work. Back in, Do the work like it's
not about what's out here, about what's in here. And as soon as you can tap into that beautiful well of power and sense of self, which of course not everyone can have because not everyone was nurtured when they were young. But it is there in everyone. It's just trying to help them to get there, to tap into it. That for me, is when you get not only the peace, but the creativity, the joy, the tranquility, the power really of who you to be.
Well, that need that drive for external validation and approval and please like me, please want me, please love I mean, that's social heroine. You know, it's destructive. It just fucks you up. And if somebody does like you or approve of you, that's nice. Or if somebody thinks, if somebody loves this podcast and thinks Georgie's Ace, which of course she's ace, but that's great, But you don't need that.
It's nice, but you don't need it. And the moment that we need external validation, I need you to tell me I'm amazing. Look at my It's analogous to the six year old bringing you the drawing. That's what it is. You know, it's like love me, like me, want me, need me, tell me, I'm amazing. Now I've just created a new addiction. Yes, and I'm further away from self sufficiency, you know. And it's great, I mean connection and love
and kindness and all of those things are awesome. But in the middle of that, we still need to be able to an extent be self sufficient and able to self regulate, you know. And that and back just before that you were talking about it's hard. You know. The stuff that we need to do is often not the stuff that we want to do right to grow and learn and evolve. The shit that I need to do
isn't comfortable, convenient, quick, sexy, or painless. But that stuff that you have done, the work that you've done on you and continue to do, that's where skill happens. That's where development and awareness and growth and resilience happen. In the middle of the shit.
That's the best growth ever. Yes, shit, it's hard. It's really uncomfortable, and there's so much there's so many pressures and opportunity to not do it because it's so much easier for me just to get on Instagram and put up a post that's amazing and I'll get all the lights. Well,
that's so much easier for me to do. When people say to me, gosh, you know, you make good choices in your career, Georgie, your career is great whenever it's like yeah, But you don't see the months that I sit at home and do all the work where I question what I'm doing and I question why I'm doing it, and I have the days when I don't feel like me, but I push through them and learn from them. Like
no one puts that stuff. I try and put a really honest accounts on my social media so people know at least that it's not all because it's not everyone that's living like that. They all have their ship days, they all have their tough days. And I think one thing that I'm really passionate about being a former teacher.
Is I'm following you right now. Hey, everyone Georgie g o rg I g o r G I Coglin all one word and give Georgie you follow Well.
Look, my life is pretty much if you want to follow me on mister, you'll see a lot of the farm, Like you'll just see my life on the farm with animals, nature, because that's that's my life. That's what makes me happy, the most happiest. But I think with kids, you know that external validation with social media. Now, as a former
secondary teacher. That's what I'm really passionate about. I really I can't wait till the laws change and we can't have as many kids on social media at the age that they're on because when you're trying to work out who you are with a brain that's not developed and you're relying on external validation, that's dangerous. That's so dangerous, and it's tough as an adult. I find it tough as a forty seven year old. So God help the kids that are thirteen trying to navigate this minefield. And
one thing that's really helped me is are mantrews. Mantras are so helpful for me, so I do both guided meditation and just music. But one that was really quite empowering a couple of years ago was I don't need their approval. And I think if we put ourselves in that mantra into our head, even into social setting, if you go into a social setting where you're anxious, even just saying that your self in the car and as
you walk in, I'm walking into this party. I'm here because I want to be here, and I do not need anyone's approval. You don't you don't need their approval.
One percent. We just have a story that we do yeah.
Or a validation. So mantras are really helpful for me, and even I surrendered the need to prove myself to anyone, including myself, because I am a recovering perfectionist and I
have a growth mindset. I'm first born, I'm alpha. I've always been a person that's achieved a lot in my life instead of the first half of my career was quite insanely busy and ambitious, and sure people would perceive that as successful, but that always comes at a cost, and for me mentally, I think it was you know what, that just stuff doesn't make me happy anymore, and so those matches are really important to me to remind myself that I don't need approval from anyone else, including myself.
I'm present, I'm a spiritual being living in a human body, and I am only in control of this moment. Now.
Yere completely true and completely relevant for you know, all of us, isn't it? Isn't it funny that like when you you know, in that moment where we're seeking approval and validation and all of that, if you can, which is emotion driven, fear driven, usually it's cognitive, but it's driven by fear. What if they don't like me, What if I don't fit in? What if I look like a dickhead? What if I say something dumb? What if
I you know everything? All that bullshit, right, But what's funny is when you go, okay, I can chill for a second. Just what's going on? Okay, So what's going on is you are and think about online it's more ridiculous. Yes, you are trying to get the approval of people who don't fucking know you, don't love you, don't care about you, and you're desperate to get there. What am I doing? What is that? You know? And that's a good like pause.
It's a massive pause, and an important one because they're not real, particularly online. They are not real connections.
No, they are not.
Half the time they're bots. You're adjusting your life and who you are for a bot and even a human being. Sure, if I'm going to be in the public eye, if I was going to adjust my life when I was on the project from people weren't happy with what I was wearing, what I was saying, you know, how I interacted with other guests, whatever, If I was constantly going to adjust myself. Oh shit, I better okay, a better change for Nancy over here, and then I'll change for
Joy over here. Oh and then Ron's not happy here.
I mean, who the fuck am I? Nah?
Did you?
Let's talk about that, because that's funny.
You know. I remember, like one lady one night was just all, hi, Georgy, don't mean to You know when people start with I don't mean to offend or don't.
It's like, never start something with don't take this the wrong way, but.
And you go, well, just don't. I think someone said to me once at a party, hate I don't, don't don't try and take this the wrong way and I don't mean to offend. And I said, oh, we just don't say it there, and they just said, oh no, I just wanted to. I said, no, no, no, just don't say it, like you you clearly know you're going to offend me, so don't say it. And they almost like, couldnt not say it. They're like, oh, but it's yeah.
It's just fascinating that I see that even in social media, and I'm so aware of it, having an eleven year old, I'm like, sweetheart, you are the boss of you. You're the boss of your sense of self. Yeah, don't adjust yourself. And I sort of one day it broke my heart. She was she used to always wear her pigd haut like little two little pig taels here and she went to the start of grade six and I went to do the little plats, sorry, two little plats? She said, no, no, no, no,
just do one at the back. And I said, why don't you want to do the two plats anymore? And I got it out of her that, you know, one of the girls at school had said, you look like a baby when you do that, and I was just like, you know, mama line, and I said, right, so is this same girl going to be happy with the plat at the back? And what she's not happy with the plat at the back? What do we do? Then we then cut our hair? And then what if she's not
happy with that? Like, what do we do? Then we keep changing who we are to keep someone so happy? Or do you dance to the beat of your own drum and know that that's what you want and it doesn't matter what they And obviously in that age it's really difficult because they're trying to work out who they are and get their try. But that message, particularly for girls, I think, needs to be dance to the beat of your own drum. You don't need their approval.
I'm going to ask you a hard question. Right, we all know like everyone's listening to us, most people listening to us now except that one person. Most people are listening to us now, going makes sense. I'm with you, you know, I get that I don't need approval or I don't need to get my identity from others, or I don't need to fit into every group. But nonetheless,
there's that drive there. There's that insecurity because most of us don't feel good enough, pretty enough, smart enough, anything enough. So therefore we do want all that. How do we mitigate that? Because it's one thing to say don't seek approval, but that's like saying to in a way. One of my favorites is telling a worried person don't worry. I'm like, Wow, that's fucking groundbreaking. You know.
It's like an anxiety and someone goes just relax.
Yeah, yeah, chill out. Like telling a worried person not to worry is literally ridiculous. It's not a strategy, it's not helpful, and if anything, they'll feel worse because if I could just fucking turn it off, it'd be turned off. How do we get people to that place? Because that there's the difference between intellectually understanding what we're talking about. Like, I'm old as fuck and I teach this stuff and I've written books and I'm not a dummy. I'm not
a genist, but I'm not a dummy. Am I ever insecure? Yes? Do I ever look for approval? Fuck an oath? Am I aware it? Yes? Did my ego ever get in the way?
Oh?
Only when I'm awake?
Right?
So there's all that shit that we know. But then, what are your thoughts around how do we self regulate so that like none of us are Oh, I don't think any of us are ever going to be completely devoid of self doubt or the moment occasional moment of self lout loathing or overthinking, or insecurity or anxiety. I don't think anyone's immune to that, you know, forever and all day, every day. But how do we turn down the volume and how do we move closer to where we want to be?
Well? I can only talk from my truth, Mike's experience, and like everyone else, I have my days that of course you doubt yourself, and that's where your daily practice becomes more important than ever. So my response to that would be, you can't just say, as someone, well, don't get their approval. It doesn't matter, of course, it doesn't matter exactly what you're saying. Two things that just come from my truth would be run the experiment, So try
and get the approval and see how that feels. And when you continue to put yourself in that situation where you're seeking the approval, what do you get at the end. Do you get wholeheartedness, fulfillment and living by your values or do you feel empty? And my experience is, because that's human nature, prob I'm going to definitely I should say be doing this again while where I'll try and get approval, I'll feel empty at the end of it.
And the reason I'll feel empty is because I'll realize that my life or that choice or that moment is not in alignment with my value system. So for me, helping myself to distill my values has been really important to me. And even at forty seven, you know, I've got some friendships that I'm just gently releasing and letting go, which is a really painful experience and a whole other
podcast that we could talk about. And that's because I personally feel that when you do the work, you don't get better than anyone, because we're no one's better than anyone else. But when you do the work, you become more connected to yourself, your values. For me, boundaries are really important in friendship, and suddenly when you do the work, there are certain boundaries that pop up and become even more highlighted, and you go, WHOA, that's not aligning with
me anymore. If you've done so much work on yourself, So you sometimes have to gently release those friendships. Now that's confronting because there's part of you that's been friends with those people for twenty years that still sort of maybe wants their approval. You still want them to say, I love George. She's so great, she's so non judgmental,
she just takes me as I am. But when I did the work and I sat back in it, and I then kept pushing myself into that approval process, and I'd keep going and i'd visit them and i'd catch up, I'd walk away feeling like I betrayed myself.
And so.
That betrayal feeling is not very nice. So I would just suggest for me what's worked as run the experiment and then when it's not aligning, that becomes so powerful. And I think that can be in marriages, it can be in friendships, it can be with family that becomes so powerful and uncomfortable that then the decision is easier to then sit back and go, you know what, this is not working for me, and that's okay.
I love it so practical. How is a forty seven year old Georgie different from twenty seven year old Georgie.
Oh wow, Well, that woman doesn't exist anymore, both physiologically, as you know, which I love. I love thinking that my body this week has completely new cells.
Your brand new, You're updated, You're updated or downdated that we look at it.
I've completely updated, like in so many ways, mentally, spiritually, physically, through hard work, and through a lot of pain. And so that woman doesn't exist anymore. But gosh, I have compassion for her. I hold her in my heart and I tell her you were doing the best you could at that time with the tools that you had and with your awareness at the time, and I give her a lot of love and support, and I don't judge her,
and I often I often reflect on her a lot. Gosh, I just feel like it was a totally different human being. But there's a lot of love and compassion and wisdom and a lot of work, like sitting in a lot of pain. And that was for me the game changer. Like when I was sort of thirty and came out of a really toxic, bad relationship, didn't even know who I was, to be honest, and I discovered Louise Hay and my life changed forever when she gave me the power.
I had this lighthol moment pray when I realized that I can't control anyone but myself and that I had the power to heal myself. That was mind blowing for me, mind blowing. And then I was so lucky to be surrounded by incredible healers practitioners and they just I did the work and it changed my life, changed my life,
and I manifested what I wanted. I was able to write down what I had been attracted to and a partner and why, and then I was able to manifest what I wanted in a partner and why, and happy to say today is my thirteen year wedding anniversary with my darling, soul mate, best friend, growth companion, Simon and.
The anniversary dude, yeah, thank you.
And I just you know, we have such a wholehearted relationship where we're constantly growing, pushing, growing, pushing. It's uncomfortable. I love you, but I don't like you, and now I love you again. But that's that's for me and for us. That's the true definition of love is when you're pushing yourselves to grow and evolve together as a couple.
And I think like an inevitability of life and all the bits of life, including marriage, is that like life is messy and unpredictable and uncertain and uncomfortable and hard and beautiful and joyous and fucking amazing and incredible and terrifying, and then it's lunchtime, right, Yeah, that's that's that's life. And in the middle of it is us. Fuck, it's trying to navigate it, going oh how do I shit?
How do I? I've told this a few times, but I spent the first three or four months of my PhD Georgie sitting in a cubicle at Monash Neuroscience Lab, which is called Brain Park completely feeling like the dumbest person ever to undertake a PhD and like I just definitely shouldn't be there, and it was only a matter of time before someone tapped me on the shoulder. And when harps, You've had a good run, you know, all of a sudden, you gave it a go. You're just
a next bodybuilder who rides motorbikes. Don't be silly, go home, you know that. That's like wildly I mean depending. I think also insecurity can be situation dependent, you know, like in some places pretty confident, pretty calm, in other places fuck terrified. You know, like I literally present all the time to audiences. That's my job, right and this so
I'm you know, talking is my job. But every year or so, when you're doing it, doing a PhD, you have to do like a review of sorts where you stand in front of an academic board and you have to tell them about your research. Where you're at. You know, you probably get it, you know what it and but you're in front of a bunch of well some familiar people, but they don't make the decision whether or not you get the green light to continue. And it's like going
to court now I talk for a living. Those twenty minutes that I have to present my research and data and findings and justify why I shouldn't be kicked out and why it should. I am so fucking terrified, George. I'm dripping like a motherfucker from the arm, like I'm swimming in my own sweat to talk for twenty minutes. Now, this is the guy who talk for a day to corporates with one page of notes and has fun and
has no nerves, just excitement. But twenty minutes talking to these boffins, it's fucking terrifying.
I get it, I get it, and it's but what gets you through, I imagine, Craig, is your ability to connect. You know, at the end of the day, they're humans. I don't know not to mention your intellect and your talent, your hard work and everything else, but when it comes down to it, it's we are humans. It's like when I've interviewed prime ministers and I've interviewed the biggest superstars in the world, and you get that moment of going, oh my god, I'm just sitting there next to Walid
on the project is going this manic's so smart. What am I doing here, And all I have to do is rely on a combination of trusting that because I've done the work, and I've put in the hours, and I've connected on an emotional level, all those things that matter, all those at all one percents have led you to that point in your life. And you've also got to trust it.
Who's the person that you sat next to her in front of to interview and you went, what the fuck am I doing here? How did this happen? Well? Look the intellectually, I mean, obviously this is the pinnacle of your media career. I mean, you've done a lot of good shit, but you're on the project. But other than this, other than today.
Or probably the one where I where for the first time, I imagine you know when you've worked with a lot of athletes, Craig, you know when they talk about that race and the lead up to the race where everything goes perfectly, and every decision that that athlete has made with their diet, they're training, their sleep, their nutrition has made sense. For me. I had that that moment when Will Farrell walked on as Ron Burgundy project and we've blown up to Sydney and we were doing Anchorman two,
and we were all just it was electric. We had a live audience, we knew that Will was in the changer and getting ready as Ron Burgundy. We had the rest of the cast on. It was Charlie Pickering and I. We had Ray Martin next to me as an anchorman off and I still remember looking over and here comes Will Ferrell walking out as Ron Burgundy, and he just looked at me and says, GEORGI and taps me on the shoulder and I didn't stop laughing for two hours.
Great.
I just remember having that moment of going every decision I've made in my career makes sense right now, right now.
That's so good.
And it was just magical. I was able to It's like when I perform and you have that like an athlete, we have those nights where you sing and it's an out of body experience. You sort of can't remember the night much because something bigger than you is happening. When I've performed and I haven't even had to sort of think about notes, I haven't even It's like the runner
that just can't remember the race. They're the nights that are just so magical and they don't happen all the time they're actually quite rare, and when everything is in alignment and there's that beautiful flow.
Bloody hell, I could talk to you for a long time. Shit, why did you have to be so good?
It's so joyous though, talking to people that understand and you know, and so many different levels of it.
I want to be your friend, like I didn't even give a fuck about the podcast. I wish you lived here. I want to hang.
Out my friend, Craig. You can come to the farm anytime.
Well that's the other thing that excuse my ignorance. But I mean I knew, I always knew who you were. I had an awareness of you, but I hadn't done a deep dive, so I knew or didn't know you were a farmer. Didn't know your love for animals and nature. Didn't know that you were a fucking singer. So you're a classically trained singer, do you? And you know I read about all the stage shows you've done, of which there are many and lots of amazing gigs. Do you? It is music for you? A is it? Is it
a love? Is it a passion? Is it? Is it a thing you do to make? I'm sure it's not like, where does that rank in all the shit that you do these days?
Well, I think it's been it started off, it is my absolute passion. I think I push it to the side as the side hustle. It was really it wasn't that I didn't It wasn't that I lost. Someone asked me that why haven't you been seeing why what about all this broadcasting? And I said, well, it was really that the broadcasting just all took off so well and
had and they were just such incredible opportunities. So when I did the Circle and I did the Project and I did all these great shows, it was more that that was so fulfilling on a spiritual and a creative level, and a particularly an emotionally intelligence level, because I really connected with Walid and had a great relationship with my colleagues, that singing just sort of took a bit of a back seat, not deliberately, but like any passion and dream,
that little flame just won't go out. So about eighteen months ago was when I made the decision to leave project because I realized after doing the Mass Singer that when I was on stage and that flow and that that I just couldn't ignore it anymore. I was like this, come on, George, if forty six gets your shit together and get back into singing, So I knew I had to jump off the cliff Quit project and immerse myself in performing to now get back to what I really
want to do. It's just singing, performing as well as the sidebarris as well as helping people, particularly women being the best version of themselves with workshops at the farm and so I really want to combine those two creative loves.
Now hang on workshops at the farm steady on tell us about those Well, I just.
Want to be able to give people that might have the opportunity and the resources to do what they want to do with their lives what I've been lucky enough to do with And so we're hummy and I in the pandemic. Running a hospitality business in the pandemic was pretty tough, I'm going to be honest, and we decided, you know what, we're going to go insane if we keep looking at a restaurant that's closed and watching all the money not coming in and just the stress of
running it. So we built some stables as a nice physical I suppose outlet, and then we just got you know, we're big. I suppose I've got a big I'm a person that sits above things and tries to always look at vision and I always love helping people. So we're planning six workshops next year Brene Brown Workshops, and they'll be based on everything from vulnerability boundaries, dare to lead
Atlas of the Heart. Also want to do a lot of work on the mother wound and the father wound, which I'm really passionate about and looking at vision boards and working with so with all bays with a professional psychologist. I'll host it, but we'll have a professional psychologist there and you come for the day on the farm and you have a full day of psychology with an amazing
lunch in the middle. And I'm visualizing that I want the people to lead with this incredible mental and physical toolbox to go, oh my god, I've got the tools to start changing my life.
Amazing. Good for you, such a good idea and such a good space to do it. You have, I'm sure you do. What does your spiritual philosophy look like like? Give us the sixty second snapshot. It's different things for different people. There's no universal definition. But what is it for you? No pressure, No pressure, No pressure, hardest question of the day as we're stumbling towards the finish line.
My spiritual philosophy would be to grow daily, to give back, to always stay aligned with my intention, and I hope is to model what it's like to be connected to your own spirit and provide an energy that inspires other people. Because I love the quote of people won't remember what you did and what you achieved, but they will always remember the way you made them feel.
I love that too, So Georgie Coglan on Insta do you what else do you want to share? Point people towards, direct them towards.
Just keep keep an eye out for these workshops. So I'm going to be putting them up soon on my Instagram. Really exciting at the farm, not till next year, so they'll be launching. We'll be launching them soon, but they're aimed at the start of twenty twenty three and they're just a beautiful introduction if you want to grow, evolve, nourish your spirit and yourself both physically and through good food on the farm. I think they're really going to
resonate with a lot of people. So watch this space and yeah, we're going to be doing a lot more singing too.
So now that we're friends, let me know when that's happening, because we're pretty much besties, so let me know when that's happening. And well, we've got a bunch of followers across all our platforms and obviously lots of listeners, so let us know and we'll give it a plug for you. Thank Georgie, your ace stay there. Will say goodbye affair. But thanks so much for hanging out with us at the U Project.
Thank you so much for having me. What a joyful conversation to have. And thank you, Mel, Thank you so much.
It was such a wonderful conversation to listen to.
So thank you. Oh you're welcome, You're right crave.
We could keep talking for hours, Yeah we could. I think we're getting your back. Thanks everyone, Love you.