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#1647 Building Rapport - Harps & Tiff

Sep 16, 202443 minSeason 1Ep. 1647
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How do we create connection, rapport and trust with an audience; be it an audience of one or a thousand? And for the guy who talks to humans for a living (me), it won't surprise you to know that this question is never far from my mind. Be it a corporate group, a sporting team, a bunch of students, a flock of academics (not sure about the collective noun for academics) or a bloke called Kevin sitting a metre away, my primary objective is to understand the person or persons in front of me, in order to create a meaningful interpersonal experience. This episode is a chat about all that, and a bit more.

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Speaker 1

Tibby and Cook. It's Fatty Harps over here. It's typ Central.

Speaker 2

How are you good things?

Speaker 1

Alps, Fatty Harps. Ah ah, I put up a new photo. Speaking of Fatty Harps, I put up a new photo. It's not that new, it's it's earlier this year. But it's just a better photo. I never do this, Oh selfie, Well no, it's not really a selfie. It's just a

photo that was taken. And I was looking at my just I don't know why we're starting the fucking podcast like this, but anyway, I was looking at my you know, the headshot that you have on your Instagram or that little round photo of you up in the corner picture, Yeah, that one, that one, And I forgot that when you change it on Facebook, it puts up a post, you.

Speaker 3

Know what I mean, And so caused yourself.

Speaker 1

Well, I didn't want it to be I just I just wanted to like just take one out and put another one in low key and sneak, and I fucking forgot. And then there's all these people going, oh my god, look at you, and oh lovely, and it's nice, but I'm like, ah, fuck, how do I get rid of this?

Speaker 3

A look ski.

Speaker 1

Well, yeah, you know, it's just I think the old one, I just I looked a bit like I've been living underground and away from sunlight for about a year and a half in some subterranean fucking hideaway working on my manifesto. Like, I just looked a bit fucking like Casper the Friendly Ghost. So it's not amazing, it's just I just look a little bit healthier in the one. I think. I'm not sure anyway, fuck it, I mean there's I don't have a lot to work with, right, So you do your best,

can I say? Before we get underway? So we record this on zoom as you know. But I'm just telling our audience. Have you ever used Riverside? Yeah?

Speaker 3

I have when on other people's podcast.

Speaker 1

Me too, he says, as he takes a swing of coffee just to fire up those nine remaining neurons. So Melissa wants to like, I'm recording this, you know, I'm doing this video program which is a work in progress and it'll come out one day everyone, but you know, and so she wants to maybe record it in Riverside, which is I don't know, it's like a different program. This is like this is like my mum trying to explain cellular physiology, me trying to explain technology. Right, I've

got no fucking idea, but you do. And most of our audience knows more than me, right, So I mean, I think the bottom line is correct me if I'm wrong, that it records in higher depth, and it's just it's just all round for this kind of production, it's better than zoom, Like zoom is a great tool for what you know, for meetings and everybody's got it and you

just click a link and bibbity bobby boo in the room. Anyway, So on this what you're looking at right now, Like as good as I can look, I look all right, you know what I'm saying. Like for me, for the Craig Harper bonce, for the sixty year old fucking nugget that is my head, Like in this with the old you project background, we should put up a picture of this. I might put up a picture not of my bonce, but the background so people can see. I'll put it

in the group. No, in fact, don't go. You just need to go to the U project and you'll see that background in the main picture there. So that's what tif's looking at all the time. Anyway, my long winded story is I don't look terrible for me. Then yesterday I tried it in Riverside. I can't even say what I said to Melissa because it'll be offensive to people. But I look like on this other I'm like, is that actually how I look? I am fucking so ugly,

Like I'm not even looking for sympathy. I'm not. I'm not looking for a compliment. I went fucking hell. Have you ever noticed how on some.

Speaker 2

Yeah, zoom is like, zoom is very kind with its light filtering, is it? Yeah?

Speaker 3

On the other one saying on yeah, it's like, oh, buck.

Speaker 1

I look ninety years old. I look like I've been taking all the drugs and eating no food since twenty two.

Speaker 2

It's the equivalent of trying to get a decent passport photos, like the equivalent video equivalent of a passport photo.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Melissa's like, yeah, but the quality of this and that, I go, fuck the quality, look at my head. People have got to look at that. Who's going to buy a video program looking at that? So we're currently in negotiations.

Speaker 2

It's much better quality video though, yes, yeah, a bit of beyond hears.

Speaker 1

I'm going to have to put a bag over my head. Well, no, I'm not. I'm not what's the word. I'm not. I'm not looking for a chop out, But it is. It's an ongoing. You and I were chatting before we went live. It's an ongoing trying to figure out in these ever evolving days of AI and online content and video production and podcasting, trying to figure out how to do stuff that's high quality, I guess, and not just in terms of content, but you know everything production value and audio.

And you know, by the way, this is probably not really good podcast content. But I'm just fucking talking to you now, So if the rest of you want to listen, and that's fine. So Melissa was showing me this thing tip in Riverside where so she puts up like this right now. So let's say you and me puts up this minute of video and I'm talking one, two, three, four five, And as I'm talking, all the words are written right, so like the actual text of the conversation

is written in real time. Yes, so as I'm talking, right, So let's say I go, oh TIF so I ah, fucking hell, I fucked it up. Right, Let's say that and then I say to you, can you take out that bit that says, oh fucking hell, I fucked it up. So what you do is you go and highlight those words in the text delete it, and that deletes it in the video, so you don't have to go and time code it. You don't need to listen and then go, where did Craig say that sentence about his cousin that

he shouldn't have said? Or whatever the fuck it is? Shout out to lead my cousin, hunchred cousins. I just picked him. Yeah, it's I mean, the tech now is yeah, bloody, I'm amazing. And the you know what else, Melissa did you probably know this already, but so I think it was in By the way, everyone, I don't I don't even know how to use this shit. I'm not sponsored by them. This is just me talking out loud because I'm sixty and everything surprises me. So she got some

footage from oh my, last Monday Night's mentoring group. So as we record this, it's Monday night, the sixteenth. We kicked off our mentoring group, which we might speak about last Monday night, and so she just took some random footage like thirty minutes and I don't know what the command is or how it works, but so what the what the program did was it identified five video clips, which but you know how you in the past you could do that, but the shit, it just takes random

bits and there's no logical start or finish. It's like, ah, but it actually picked these five parts of the conversation where I started making a point, I explained the concept, and then I finished that point, and then the video stopped and it was like this whole self contained real or whatever the fuck you want to call it, vignette, little video clip without giving it any directions. How fucking amazing is that?

Speaker 2

Yeah, they've been getting better and better. I've played around with a couple of those programs and they're always improving.

Speaker 1

Well, I'm up to my eyeballs writing content for this program, and I have hang on let me because it's on the right of your face, because I have three computer screens in front of me. Well, I have one massive screen which is actually three. I am one, two, three, four, five, I'm ninety four videos in so I've planned the content for ninety four. Wow, that's been a big well, you know, like I've topics, ideas, titles, and then a few lines

under each. So I'm just going to be expanding that, but trying to trying to figure out how to connect with people and do whatever we call it self help, personal growth, behavioral psychology. You know, it's an ongoing lesson for me as well. How do I share these thoughts and ideas in a way that you know that connects with people.

Speaker 2

Tell me about your mentorship program because you haven't done you haven't done one.

Speaker 3

For a while, or nor have I.

Speaker 2

And do you feel like the landscape's changed for others and for you and your knowledge and how you're approaching it or what?

Speaker 3

Yeah, what's the happ Yeah?

Speaker 1

Thanks, I think by the way, this's not a sales pitch anyone, because it's already started. So it's fucking the ship has sailed, right, This is just talking about you know. It's interesting because when you, like last week, I did a face to face with a bunch of people at Deacon where you're in the room, and a lady came up to me and she said, I've done a million things with you online and she goes, none of it compares to this. This was She goes, I love it.

It's all good, she goes, But this is awesome. And there is something about being in a room with humans where you can just walk up to someone ask them a question, they answer. It's not a million squares on a fucking computer screen. And someone left their mic on and you know, Diane's going, darry All, take the dog out. You know, it's like, you know, like, which happened?

Speaker 3

I'm forgetting that.

Speaker 1

They're oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, all that kind of stuff, right, And there is something special about it. But the you know, the I guess the upside of a mentoring program, Like I have people in America who are on it. I have a lady in Rhode Island from the States, I have people in New Zealand. I have people all over Australia. It's only a it's well, it was only meant to be fifteen people, but keep

it quiet. We ended up with seventeen. But it doesn't really matter because some people watch it on delay, right, but generally it's going to be around fifteen people each Monday night on the on the call, and it's trying to figure out that mix of like because you have fifteen personalities and fifteen backgrounds and fifteen fifteen different human beings with different stories and different reasons for being there and trying to trying to go, how do I do

two hours of high level connection? So not only is this a good experience for them, but also it's valuable and it's the it's the catalyst. So you know, part of me goes, I'm just going to go, I'm going to Like when I wrote the copy or when I wrote the promo for the program, I basically said, you know, it's I'm not coming in with a preset plan. Week one, we're talking about communication. Week two we're talking about mental health.

We because then it's not mentoring. It's really just a weekly workshop, right, which I don't want to do because I don't want to talk at people for two hours.

But then the other reality is you've got to be careful because sometimes you'll have and I mean this with respects, So if you're listening and you're in my mentoring group, not talking about anyone in particular, but I've done these things before, and you often get someone who hijacks the conversation, who they'll ask a question which is not relevant to anyone, it's only relevant to them. And it's like a fifteen minute monologue, So you've got to learn to shut that

down without pissing anyone off. So yeah, it's a real kind of a challenge I guess to be able to facilitate that. And I can always just go, you know, if the room kind of falls flat, I can always just go. So let's talk about, you know, the unfairness of life. Well, let's talk about you know, you and food or whatever it is. Let's talk about the limitation of inspiration and motivation. Let's talk about whatever, you know. So I can always but I really want it to

be led by the group. But it's a challenge to get people to talk up because the idea of being in a mentoring group is good for some people, but the reality of like and ready set talk. You know, you get two people in the group who are chatty Kathy's and then you get a few who are all right, and then you get five who want to sit up the back and that's okay as well. Yeah, so yeah, but it's it went really well. We got good feedback.

It's just I get should I say this, Yeah, I'm going to be honest, I shouldn't say this, but it's true. I get a little bit frustrated, not with this group necessarily, but because I want to shake people and I want to go. Firstly, thank you for coming, thanks for paying some bucks and all that, but do the fucking work now, Like seeing me on Monday night for two hours isn't the point? Like it's just that's the opening of the door.

And even if the information's great, and even if I'm funny and I tell stories, and even if it's all relevant, which it won't be, but you know, then what I care is what you do between this Monday night and next Monday night. So but you know you can't get like you can't make people ready, can you? No?

Speaker 3

No, Well I was interested.

Speaker 2

When you're calling yours a mentoring group, I just I haven't done anything with groups for I think it's two years. And I started toying with the idea and then I did a survey and got a lot of interest. On shit, I bet I better get my skates on, because if it's going to be this year, it kind of has to start soon as I'm back from India. So I launched it. And after I had started talking about it and sharing about it and getting people sign up, I

was like, it's interesting. I've I've called it a ten week coaching program sometimes, I've said this course sometimes and I'm like.

Speaker 3

Is it coaching? Like that idea of is it coaching? Is it mentoring?

Speaker 2

What's other people's perception of those things when they read it? How does it land with them? What made you select the idea of mentoring over calling it a coaching.

Speaker 1

Yeah, because well, for me, mentoring, coaching are kind of first cousins. Yeah, But like for me, so my and again these are all in some ways program, workshop, mentoring,

you know, coaching, whatever, These are all somewhat interchangeable. But for me, like a program is where Craig Ha's got ten weeks of content that he's going to share and each week he talks about a particular topic or two or three topics or subjects, and then he'll answer questions and then he might give some homework for want of a better term, and then he fucks off and then

he comes back next week and he does something different. Yeah, but I'd like, I want I want people to be able to ask things and open doors that are relevant to them, because I might talk about something that's really interesting to the majority and really relevant and true and scientifically valid, and but it's not. It's not relevant to

fourteen and fifteen. So despite the fact that I'm articulate and I can string some words together and tell a story and the content is all good, well, if it's not real to the people where they're at, then there's no fucking value. So that's why, you know, my it's better these days, But companies used to get quite nervous when I would show up without handouts and without a PowerPoint presentation and without slides. They're like, where's your presentation?

I'm like in my head and they're like what and what like? And I go and I don't even know what I'm going to say yet, and I start in five minutes. That would terrify them, And I say, well, look, I know what I'm talking about. I know why I'm here, I know what the theme of your conference is. I have an insight into your employees and the culture because I've done some homework, and I know that we're talking about, you know, high performance in work, in business and in

life and in health. Right, that's the theme of the day. And if I can't talk about being a high performer for an hour without a raft of notes, then you should sack me now, right, So it's that for me, it's always been that really nice intersection of planning and freestyle, you know, and I think you know. I think you're the same. I think you and I a bit of planning, probably for you at this stage, a bit more planning

than me, just because you're still on the journey. I'm still on the journey, but I'm a little ahead of you in terms of runs on the board, right. But you and I are similar in that over planning actually reduces performance or degrades performance. Like if I'm too planned, too structured, then I fuck up because I just get up there and bang on and then I go fuck, I'm on slide seven and I haven't even opened the door to slide too, And then how do I fix that?

And then I scramble. I don't use slides anyway. At the times where I have, it's a fucking shit fest. I tell you a funny story. I've told this once before. But so there's a big conference in the fitness industry called FILEX, which you've heard.

Speaker 3

Of, right, Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1

So for a long time that was the biggest deal in the Australian fitness industry. And they had it in Melbourne and I did the opening keynote. And this was probably fuck fifteen years ago or something, and there was a speaking agency who were looking at taking me on as you know, one of their stable right, So the lady who wanted to see me do my thing, I said, well, I'm opening this conference and she's like, cool, I'll be there.

And you know, the bottom line was if I was any good that they would take me on and represent me as as an agent blah blah blah blah blah, which I was already with a couple of agencies. But that's okay, right, So anyway, she comes along, so I overthink that the shit out of it. I plan the shit out of it, you know, like for a week, I'm like, well, this lady's coming. I'm going to be fucking amazing and I can't just get up and you know,

so I've got to be amazing. I've got to be amazing, And so I plan this breath taking, mind blowing power point you know what. You know what I'm going to say, right, and it's like I don't know, I can't even remember, but let's say I'm talking forty five minutes. It's twenty slides, which is probably fourteen too many.

Speaker 3

Right, oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 1

And then I get up and there's slide one and it says Craig Harper exercise signist and all the shit right, and it's and it's razzle dazzle, and then I press slide one and then I start talking. And then about twenty five minutes later, I remember, oh, I've got a slide presentation. And then and then I then I awkwardly and clumsily turn around to look at the slides. Then I try to find the clicker. I can't find the clicker. I'm looking for the clicker and it's that's the thing

that changes the slides. And I'm looking on the desk where the computer is, and one of the people in the audience goes, it's in your pocket, and I'm like, what,

it's in your pocket. So by this stage, I'm fucking crashing and burning, you know, like I'm going down in a screaming pile of flaming dog shit, right, and then and then then I try to look at myself and I'm like, ah, fuck, fuck fuck, like this is my internal and then I just and then I'm on a stage and I walk I put it down and I go and I go and sit on the edge of the stage. Right, So I go sit on the edge of the stage, and I go, all right, I'm going to be real with you all. So this is the

whole audience. I go, I'm going to be real. I go, see that lady over there, So I point to the lady from I go, let me tell you what's going on. I go, So that lady over there is assessing me to see whether or not her speaking agency might want to represent me. And so, in order to be amazing, I did this right. So I tell the story. Everyone like as soon as I go off script and I just sit down and I be real. I bring everyone back in and now they're like, oh you poor fuck

I get it. I tell the story. They're laughing, right, I get everything back on track. I fuck off the PowerPoint present and I go, are you guys okay if I don't use this, like, oh, for God's sake, please don't use it.

Speaker 3

So, yeah, you've never wanted to touch about pointing it.

Speaker 1

Was a fucking train wreck. And the lady said yeah. Obviously she said yes, but she's like, hey, hey, I go yeah. She goes don't use PowerPoint. I go, I'm on it. I'm on it. But I know, I think that's the thing of like you think broadly about, you know, or let's go specifically about being on a stage in connecting with an audience. You know, there are other people who get up who are very, very very prepped and

very you know. They have a different personality, they have a different style and it works, it works, you know, and it's good. But they like, I'm like a dog with three dicks I've got like the shortest attention span ever.

I get distracted by myself. I just start a story and then I forget the bit I was saying up to the story, which was the reason I told the story was to kind of and I'm like, I don't know why I told you that story, And they go, oh, you were talking about Oh go, that's right, thank you, And then I'm back on track. You know.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I relate to that.

Speaker 2

And to have something just another thing in the room to rip your attention out of your head and onto is very distracting. I've got to go, oh, I've got to remember the sequence of everything. I remember the first ever time I had to do a ten minute presentation at Business Networking.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I got the creative team.

Speaker 2

So I worked for a really cool personalized kind of creative agency. We did awesome, awesome stuff at that time, like really leading the market in personalized kind of print that interacts with people's mobiles and websites and everything, and it's pretty cool. So my it was a very clever presentation and I practiced it and practiced it, and the design team were going to design me the slides to go with it so that they looked really good, and

I'd memorize the whole thing. I was like, I'm nailing this. It's funny, it's quirky, it's clever, it's going to be brilliant. And I'd practice and practice at home, and then they didn't get me to slides till the night before. And then now I was in my room the night before with the slides and the moment I just had to press a button. At each moment, my mind went black. I went, all I have to do is press a button.

Now I've known this back to front and now I've got the physical thin here and it was terrifying just to do. You'd like, you think this small difference, and now my my mind is blank because I'm having a panic about it because there's a new thing that I have to include what was already in my head.

Speaker 1

Well, I think I think the problem for that with you now, if you're listening folks, and you think you know you should do what I do or Tip does the way that we do it, probably not, maybe, but probably not. But I think the problem with that for you is and for me is when I'm thinking about, oh, what dot point is coming up on my slide next, and what does the slide after this? Say, let me look at my notes down here, because I've got a paper print out of the slides. When I'm doing that,

I'm not present with the audience. I'm not present, and I'm my best when I'm just in the moment. Yeah, And you need to know, you know, it's like whether or not it's with food, or whether or not it's with your career, or whether or not it's with sleep, or whether or not it's with communication with you know, your kids, or whether or not it's with you know,

managing and optimizing your lifestyle. You need to know how you best work, and how I best work is if I know who I'm talking to, what it's about I'm familiar with, you know, the room, the subject matter, of course, and then I just go and be me like and it doesn't it's not always perfect, of course, but it's consistently a much better outcome than me trying to be the fucking breathtaking, the organized academic with his slides.

Speaker 2

There's really something about harnessing a level of intuition in those moments, like the more I progress along, the more I observe it naturally happen, and I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated by the process of just being in a room and somehow, in the background of your mind you are connecting with and obviously reading what sparks the audience. And it's a very unconscious thing in the end.

Speaker 1

Think about right now, Think about right now. So we we didn't really have a big plan and which we rarely do, Like we're going to talk about something right Yeah, So you're sharing these thoughts and ideas, experiences, stories, strategies, whatever, completely fucking unscripted. Yeah, in real time, it's organic. It's all good listening. Well, some people might not like it, that's okay, but you know, like you and I will talk for whatever thirty minutes, forty five minutes. I don't

have notes. You don't have notes there, you know this is the thing now you think like I'm always I was going to say, I'm always surprised. I'm not surprised. But the capacity that some people have to talk to to sit down and talk with somebody about a subject and be brilliant and amazing and breathtaking and create connection and solve problems in real time and be a master of that topic. Then you put the same person talking about the same thing in front of one hundred people

and they can't fucking talk. But they're talking about the same thing, but the context has shifted, right, or so too. I don't know if you've had this many times, but I've had this obviously. You project's been around for a long time, but at least at least ten times where the person that I was talking to before the podcast started is infinitely more fucking fascinating than the person who was on the podcast. I'm like, did you just take

a boring pill? Like let's hit the brakes? You know, because you five minutes ago you fucking fascinating, interesting, funny, this knew you. That's like on the microphone, Oh my god. And every time I've stopped it. Every time I've stopped it and I've gone, hey, you're great, But the moment that we press the go button, you changed, and they're like, yeah, I know, I feel it. I go cool. So I know this is hard, but as much as you can, I want you to pretend you're just talking to me.

And the more that that is, the energy that you're in and the mindset that you're just having a conversation with Craig right, and if you say anything ridiculous or inappropriate, we can take it out at the end, so don't panic. The more they can do that, the better they listening.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 2

You know, sometimes when you realize how much somebody is saying, I noticed because I edit. I notice now in conversation a lot more than I used to when people repeat, have repetitive words, or say I'm a lot, and I get frustrated because when I'm in a conversation and I don't notice, but when I listen to a podcast where a guest says a lot or does repetitive words, I can get really frustrated. So it stands out and in my mind, I'm like, I'd love to be able to go, hey, can you don't do that?

Speaker 3

But I know that.

Speaker 2

Then the idea of them then focusing on that new bit of information and being anxious about how much this I'm like, well that's not going to work, so I have to sack it up.

Speaker 3

But let it go.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, well that's yeah, that's true. That's true. And it's like it's like, don't think about the number seven and I'll give you a million dollars. Well, now you fucked it up. It's all I can think about, you know. Yeah, So the challenge with there's actually an answer to that, or there's actually a strategy for that. So when you think about, oh, you know, don't think about a fuck whatever you do when you get up there, don't think about that? Is you shift your you know, so how

you don't think about the number seven? Is you think about a hamburger, or you think about the number sixty five, or you think about a sunset. You know, like, you can't focus on two things. Yeah, you can only focus on one, right. You can be generally kind of have an awareness bigger than one thing, but you can only focus on one thing. So yeah, so anyway, the old program has kicked off it's week two tonight. It's a really interesting The next year is going to be interesting.

At Camp Craig, at Planet Craig and the U Project, where I said, yesterday I did a solo and I was talking about the ever present reality of trying to have great conversations with great people and get getting great people on. And as you know, it's like for every ten emails you send out, you might get one response, and for every response you might end up for every five responses, you might end up with one person coming on.

I mean it depends, of course, but you know, the ever present challenge, like as a podcaster, as a coach mentor teacher, speaker, whatever the ever present challenge is. It's being a For me, it's been a conduit to education and inspiration and transformation. And I know that sounds cheesy, but how can I engage people in a way that will most likely lead to some kind of some kind

of practical, real world result. I put up a I put up thing today in in LinkedIn which I like, what this sounds funny when I say I like this, I wrote it. But anyway, it's not the concept that's not new, like it's I did not invent this concept. But I wrote this post, so the actual So there's the meme or the post that I put up, and then there's my comments. So the the post is learning. Learning is not about hearing something, reading something, and then

putting it in a mental filing cabinet and then knowing it. No. Learning is about applying that knowledge to create better outcomes, having knowledge but not applying it in an intelligent manner, as like being a member of a gym that you never go to, you know, and that's It's like, like, I love I love all our listeners. I'm very grateful all of that stuff, and that's true. But what I love the most is when and it doesn't it doesn't

make any difference in my world or your world. But what I love the most is when people go, oh, so you said this in one of your podcasts, and then I applied that, and then I kept applying that, and then I did this, and then I did that, and now this is how I'm different and my life's different. That makes me so happy, like so fucking happy, because they not because I didn't do anything, because I said the same thing two thousands of people and no one

else did it. Or maybe they did. But you know, when this one person takes this this idea, this theory, this piece of information, this strategy, and then they operationalize it, then they fall down and get up, and then they get uncomfortable and they roll up their sleeves and they reset their intention, and then they go again and go again and go again. Then eventually they fucking break through after all the breakdowns and they win. You know, they do it, And for me, that's the you know, that's

the payoff. I fucking love that.

Speaker 3

I really love the group stuff.

Speaker 2

Like I really love the group stuff because I love the dynamic of well, I love the dynamic of community and connection and bringing people together. But the idea that like everything is multiplied when you've got for you, you've got seventeen heads in the room, you've got seventeen hearts in the room, and seventeen people sharing, and sixteen of them get to hear the other one share something, and some of them go, oh that applies to.

Speaker 3

Me, Oh, I get that.

Speaker 2

Like there's so much magic. It's why I've always loved running the group stuff much much more, because like I've got as much awareness and resources and stuff that I've learned as I have. But even people that haven't done the courses or the things that I have intentionally have got all of this experience and knowledge and perspective they offer and you go, oh, that's magic. That's actually magic for all of the other people in.

Speaker 3

The room as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's really special.

Speaker 1

I think it's I think for a lot of people it's like the limiting factor or one of the limiting factors or barriers or hurdles, whatever we want to call it. For a lot of people, is just self doubt. Is is I don't want to get uncomfortable? Is what if I get embarrassed? Is? What if I fail? Is all those fear based things. And my answer is, oh, if you fail, you fail. If you fall down, you fall down.

If you get embarrassed, you get Do you know how many times I've failed, how many times I've fallen down? How many things I did that didn't work? More than fifty percent of the things that I tried to succeed at I would say probably more than eighty or ninety percent they didn't work. If we're talking about becoming a success or super efficient or proficient at that thing, most of the shit that I've done didn't work. But in the middle of the stuff that didn't work, a few

things did. And in the middle of all of it, the good and the bad, the peaks and the troughs, like I became a better version of me, you know, Like I'm more resilient, I've got more insight, I've got more awareness, I've got more patience. I'm I've got more resilience. I'm still a fucking idiot at times, and I still have a way to go, But twenty twenty four me is a better version than two thousand and fourteen me. And that's not ego, because, like I said, I'm still flawed.

But I just know that in the middle of the things that worked and didn't work, and the in the middle of the you know, the great outcomes and the complete fucking catastrophes, it's a bit about what you achieve. It's a bit about what you created. It's a bit about your outcomes. And this sounds also cheesy, but I just think it's true. And it's a lot about who you become. It's like who am I becoming? It's like, yeah,

what am I creating? What am I changing? But also in the middle of that creation and that change and that you know, I want to do better, create better and all that. But what does be better mean? Like? What does that look like?

Speaker 3

Yeah?

Speaker 1

Should we pull the pin on it?

Speaker 3

Yeah? Maybe?

Speaker 1

Uh? Everyone with that very just hanging in the air philosophical question, that very poignant kind of fucking what does that mean? Tiffany and Cook? Just quickly, when are you going to India? It's Monday, the sixteenth of September. When are you going?

Speaker 2

I am hobbing on a plane on Saturday, the twenty first Saturday morning.

Speaker 1

Wow.

Speaker 3

Yeah, to come around real fast.

Speaker 1

Now are you very excited? I'm very nervously. What are you? What's the emotion?

Speaker 3

Nervous?

Speaker 2

Now? Really excited. There's a group of us going. That's part facilitated retreat. It's part there's a bit of hiking. There's a bit of silent hiking. There's a bit of kind of professional and personal development development. You can leave your shit on the mountain metaphorical and literal. Actually, we'll be doing both of those things, apparently, don't you. Yeah, and see a bit of culture over there. We'll see a bit of the busyness. We'll see bit of the taj Mahal all of the.

Speaker 1

Things, And what's something that you're like particularly looking forward to, Like, is there one thing that you're excited about?

Speaker 3

Really, the biggest thing is.

Speaker 2

Being out of my usual around really different around the type of people I perceive I need to be around right now, So the right kind of thought provoking minds and provoking minds in a really different space, so that I can take my frustrations and current perspective and just sit outside of it and go all right, when I get back, it's going to be like this because I feel like I've spun my wheels a little bit and

sit in frustration. But because of the pace of my life, I don't get off the hamster wheel and implement the stuff that I know I should implement. So the space and people and mindset I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1

Well, I know we're winding up. Feel free to jump off at any stage. It's like, you know, do you know what it's like. It's like when you see a film and the film finishes, and then you're walking out of the theater and then you realize there's highlights or you know what do you call it? Outtakes bloopers and then you just stand in the aisle. So right now people are just standing in the aisle waiting for the bloopers.

Just like when you talk about you know, you go away and then you know, like you on some level, hopefully there'll be an awakening and awareness and all that kind of stuff and you'll come back and maybe be a bit different. What's one thing what's one thing that you do right now that isn't really working that you think, fuck, I need to either stop doing that or do that very differently, or change my thinking, Like, what's one thing that you need to crad shift on.

Speaker 3

I do.

Speaker 2

Too much of the small stuff that doesn't matter or move me to where I want to be, and I'll keep choosing it out of a fear and scarcity mindset. And therefore I watch myself just not use potential that is there, not take action that you and I just and I see it happen. I'm like, why are you letting you do this?

Speaker 3

To you?

Speaker 2

Like you're the boss, you're the chooser, you know better. But still and when I do that, life passes real quick, real and you go You've you've let that happen for one maybe two years now and one year frustrated about it and you're the one, and it's your thinking and it's your choices, like I'm a business.

Speaker 1

Now, Alex Hormosy would say, or Chris Williamson maybe would say, what are you currently doing that doesn't move the needle? Stop doing that? Yeah, stop doing that? What are you doing that? In terms of your goals and where you want to be and who you want to be, does not move the needle, does not move you forward? Easier said than done, of course, before you send me an email going easier said than done. Fucking by the way, everything is easier said than done. Taking a ship is

easier said than done. Everything.

Speaker 2

Take a ship in India apparently can be really easy over there.

Speaker 1

I'll steady on for it. Don't get don't get you in all right, it's been Thanks TIV, Thanks HARP

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