Oh good a team. It's apps, it's the bloody you project. What else would it be? Uh Anna from Ana Movement is here. She's been here many times before over the six years? How how many times you reckon you've been on on TYP? Would you say ten, fifteen or more?
So, I don't know. I'm really bad with time, like really really bad.
So when you said six years, my only references is my daughter is just turned six. So TYP started when little Frankie was zero.
So yeah, maybe a couple of times are here?
Yeah, yeah, probably a dozen or so. Anyway, enough of that. People don't need the fucking typ stats. Nobody's tuning in for that.
Are you?
How are you?
I'm good? Thank you?
I am I'm feeling well, I am feeling focused.
I am good.
Now, I've never asked you this. Maybe i've asked you this, but I've never asked you on air, and this is was not part of my intent the conversation. But then, do I really have a plan? We all know that what is the etymology or what is the genesis story of your name? Because a few people have asked me, and I go, I don't fucking know and know everyone who name's not Anna it's Anna. With you, it's Anna. What is the origin story of your name?
So as I understand it, my mother liked the pronunciation of like the old English way of saying Anna, which was Anna, and I think some European countries have like yuna, which is like just one n. So her way of getting that was to change the spelling of Anna so that I didn't get called Anna. So she changed it to you double na and then yeah.
Now, or when I.
Was a kid's doing competitive swimming and stuff like that, I'd get uner and una and all the other versions, and you'd just kind of cop it for a little bit. But yeah, now in my older age, I correct people as soon as possible. And our dear friend, the wonderful Olympian Brendan Cole, if he's with me, he introduces me and he gets people to go through a little like tick box of.
How to pronounce my name.
So he's he says, say under and then they say under and they say I now say Anna, and then.
He doesn't let them do out.
Yeah, it doesn't let them carry on until they've jumped that language language.
Who Yeah, because I've.
Known you for twenty five years, of course I don't think about it, and I don't notice it except today We've got a new backdrop for you with your word your name written there.
Yeah.
But yes, it's when I when people go, oh, I heard you know whatever, Anna, Honor Una Anna, They're like, ah, has it? I'll finish after this. Has it been I mean, you've never known any other name, So, but has it been problematic or has it been a positive or a negative? Because like, I've got another friend that you know, her name is russ right, her literal name is Russell. It's not a nickname, it's and she's a her and she
hates her name. Yeah, what was it like growing up with a name that nobody else has?
It did used to shit me as a kid because it was a lot of kids get their teases their name, but more pops up with my cousins because they used to call me, you know, like as in the card game and Anna Banana and I don't know why.
They're all quite lovely, but they used to just annoy me.
Why But yeah, so it did annoy me a little bit,
but I have gotten over it. I think probably along the lines with me also standing up and advocating for how to say it correctly helped, but it was super embarrassing when you'd stand on the blocks or you get called out for marshaling for sports and things, and they would say like you know, or owner, and it would feel embarrassing because it sounded I guess it just sounded wrong because if someone else introduced themselves as owner, I wouldn't be like, oh, what a stupid name.
I'd be to be like, I.
Guess I'm hearing it going, that's not how you say my name. So that was the irritation.
The fact to me that there's two ends not one kind of for me, that's pretty self explanatory, you know, it's like, anyway, that's enough. Hey, somebody said to me today. I told them that I've I have a guy who works with my dad who's an excise physiologist and he's awesome.
I and they said, what is an excise physiologist? And so I explained to them, but why don't you like, what's the difference between And we're not we're not judging here, We're just clarifying what's the difference between a gym instructor, a personal trainer, and an AP Like what's the role? Firstly, how do you become an ap and what's the role of.
An ap Okay, so in back in our day, back in the day, back in our day, and it's not
it's in the last couple of years it's changed. But back in our day, you had to do an undergraduate degree in exercise science to then be able to do apply to do a masters in exercise rehab and then after you'd finished that, you could apply to become an exercise physiologist through an accredited body and but you had to kind of jump through all of those hoops, which is a little bit different to you know, someone that at that stage would go in and they would do
physio as the course and they exit as a physio qualified and no more hoops to jump. Then now that that exists as a master course where you finish it and you are qualified at the end of it, but there was just a few more hoops to jump when
we're going through. And our role within the Allied Health world is to understand the physiology of movement and how it affects the body, or exercise and how it affects the body, and then secondary to that is the physiology of diseases and how applying exercise will either support someone's treatment, so help their treatment to be more effective or to avoid particular progressions of diseases and disease processes, or specifically like rehab, or there might have been someone's had an amputation,
or they've had a spinal cord injury and they're needing to become strong enough and understand all the intricacies of changes in physiology when you've had a final cord injury and what that means to be able to stay healthy in how to work with that person in a really safe way.
It's such an interesting concept, isn't it When you think about like when we think about drugs and we think about a prescription and we think about a dose generally, when we for the average person, when you talk about, oh, I need to get a new prescription or a new script, which it gets abbreviated to, we're always thinking of drugs, tablets, pills, powders, potions, right, something that we go and get from a pharmacy and
we get prescribed by a doctor. But people like you prescribe exercise right literally as a prescription based on you know, similar things, And I think, what then we need doctors and doctors are amazing, so This is no dis on doctors. Doctors are brilliant, but doctors have zero training and exercise prescription, right, and that's not meant to be their job anyway. Which doesn't mean they should suggest that you exercise or whatever.
But I don't think, you know, so somebody like you has to do five years of training, you know, one short of medicine to be able to prescribe exercise. And I wonder how often And this is no fucking revelatory statement. It's not like this is groundbreaking concept, but I wonder how often people could avoid drugs if they were prescribed and exercise intervention and actually did it properly. I mean, I know there's no way to quantify that, you know, but what are your thoughts around that idea?
Yeah, I think it's as tricky as you're implying, because I guess one of the catchphrases is exercise is medicine, and that there's what's that phrase? It was quite popular a few years ago. It said if they if we could bottle what exercise does for health and distribute it as a pill, we'd be rich. Like that would be the one pill that people, yeah, would take and it
would fix lots and lots of problems. The challenge being well, even some people have trouble remembering or committing to taking a tablet as well, but even more so or a thousandfold trickier for humans to commit to doing exercise as
something that they know will improve their health. You know, they might say, yes, I would like to be stronger, or yes, I would like to feel more energized, but the cost of actually doing what's required is the huge hurdle that most humans aren't willing, willing to participate, or they only do it for a small amount of time, and then you know, life gets distracting or any of those things that fall into the real tricky trouble of
being a human. And I learned that's the hardest when I worked in a research project that looked at ICU survivors and yeah, they quite literally survived death, and the project was looking at a particular exercise regimen to help them avoid particular health issues that come after surviving ICU.
And to us, as the researchers have excited, this is this is what we expect to happen, and it'll be easy, right because you know, these people will be so grateful to be part of a research project where they get this for free, and the biggest challenge we had, by far, the hugest challenge we had, was getting people to participate after their left hospital, so coming back and being part of that final little stretch of exercise, prescription and support.
That was where it became really really tricky to see through to the end of the research piece.
I call it the compliance conundrum. It's like, you know, people are so good, if well, not so good, but they're considerably better if they're in the middle of a program and someone's there and someone's kind of poking, prodding, supporting.
Literally walking to bedside and going, hey, we're going to do it now.
Yes.
So but it was a huge eye opener for me because I was only what maybe three years out of Masters and working in a hospital system at that stage, and that blew my mind.
I was like, like.
You know, just to get young chicken and thinking that everyone wanted fantastic health and everyone must love exercise as much as I do. So it was I was very thankful to get that big, hard learning lesson and a decent slap in the face about what human behavior and health is about so early on in my career again.
There's a concept which I've spoken about too much lately, I'll try not to in psychology called false consensus effect. And that is what you just said, where you thought, oh, everybody must love exercise, Like why wouldn't you? It's so good? You know. It's like when you think that people will think like you, yeah, you know where and as you now know well and truly like I you know, when I was young and dumb, I'm still dumb, but I'm old and dumb. But when I was young and dumb er, yeah,
I was the same. I'm like, oh, well, once they know that this can do that, well, they're going to be on board. Well for people, I'm like, well, why wouldn't you? This is probably going to take you out of diabetes, like because you're a type two diabetic and we can do this and that, and that's probably going to give you a big chances of switching that off
and da da da da. And it's like and then there's this other component that you don't really think of because you're looking through your eyes and you're thinking through your kind of cognitive processes, right whereas oh, by the way, oh the stuff that you need to do is not fun,
quick at easy or painless. Oh there's that, you know, and also you kind of keep you have to keep doing it for I don't know ever, yeah, now, just ever, Like the idea of as you said, like the idea of a pill is like, well, fuck you, give me the pill. I just take that and bibbity bobbity bood bit of orange juice or whatever, and four seconds later
my work is done. I'm back on the couch. But the idea of how about we don't take the pill, how about we change our diet and our lifestyle and our habits and our behaviors and our movement patterns, and how about we creating new operating system? And look, I know you've been doing this and doing that for the last oh thirty years, but ah, and it's not going to be quick. But in a year you could be fucking brand new. Like people like, no, fuck that, give me a pill.
It's too uncomfy.
It's too uncomfortable, or I've got too many other things going on in my head for me to even be able to entertain this without a huge kind of rejigging of my personal operating system.
And that feels harder as well.
Not even the physical effort, because ironically as well, because if I think, let me know what you were like. But I remember some of those first programs I used to write, and I was so excited. So at this point, at this point, I believe I'd finished undergrad and I'd gotten a job in a gym, and that I don't think i'd started Masters yet.
I can't remember the timeline.
But either way, there was a very excitable me just love in the gym and also in a young person's body, which is pretty resilient and you can probably train, overtrain a little bit and you're pretty robust. You don't get as many as many issues as maybe like fifteen years into the future. But I would just write all the ex sizes down because I just thought they were all fantastic, and I was expecting other people to be as excited
about these exercises as possible. And I can clearly remember them coming in as you know, older people who had
a lot more on their plate than I did. And yeah, try not understanding this challenge of having to work full time and also at the end of the day you completely bothered to get past the you know, the overwhelmed that the brain's been through and completely incapable of then going okay, it's a great idea to go to the gym now as well and having that part of your decision making process just be completely exhausted.
And blanked out.
But at the same time them relying on my just blind enthusiasm to lean on as well or turn up for this kid because they're pretty excited and they at least I'll lean on their enthusiasm. So maybe like a benefit of the me being a little bit immature with the way I was going about or not completely understanding or being able to see into the future of their challenges.
Yeah, there's something There's something to be said though, like your enthusiasm and that that energy, Like there's something to be said for just bringing great energy to any situation. Like I'm very conscious of even if I'm not having a good day, which is not that often, but I'm very conscious of even doing doing podcasts and making sure that at the very least for the hour or so that I'm chatting, that I have good energy, that I'm in a good place, and you know, I feel like
that's a responsibility. Fortunately for me, I don't really have to manufacture it too often, but you know, today, for example, I did a gig at the Mature in don K. I think I'm allowed to say. I did a gig for Fernwood. Shout out Fernwood. They're so nice, such a great culture, such a great company. But I did a one hour presentation, brand new presentation on irresistible culture, and that was all they said. Our theme for the day is irresistible culture, and what you do with that is
up to you. I'm like cool. So last night I wrote a brand new presentation, like, never done this in thirty four years of public speaking, I've never done this
presentation before. I wrote it just for them, and it's really good because it made me think about, like, how do we build an environment, a culture, a situation, a team, a group that people want to be part of, and not only do they want to come to this place, come to this group, but they want to keep coming back, Like you think about so you let's say, for example,
you know you're a superstar. Exercise physiologists from a technical point of view, anatomy physiology by mechanics, all the disease states, all the appropriate prescriptions and treatments and blah blah blah. You know, it all but emotionally and psychologically and sociologically like, oh my god, she's hard work. Like you could be the smartest ep in Australia. But if you don't bring good energy to let's say, most encounters, people aren't coming back, right.
Like I employed five hundred trainers over my journey in owning Harper's, and I can tell you the most popular trainers were just the ones that had the best energy that people love to be around. It wasn't like Anna's got a master's degree, I'll only see her. It was about, oh, no, fuck, I love Anna. She's ace like, she's fun, she cares, she has empathy, she's got good energy. She gets me. It's all That's not like, oh you should fucking talk to her about the nervous system. She's a gun. It's
got nothing to do with that. It's like, can we build rapport with it?
It makes me think about this kind of like a hierarchy, not a hierarchy and sort of you know, power or whatever. But when we look at I guess the amount of time that we spend with people. If we put like our example, your example here at the bottom, I spend a lot of time with that person trying to nd out challenges and what that looks like conscious as well.
And then you go, okay.
Who do I care less about their personality and more about their absolute skill set and abilities. That's something like a surgeon, and like, okay, it's right. The flip of it, it's like, Okay, we're dealing within. You're helping me regain control, whereas at the other end of it, it's you're taking a control of my knee while I'm unconscious and you're going to fix it. So yeah, we don't mind about your personality, we do really care about the.
Level of and that's that's so true. But even with that, we had we've had doctor Alex, doctor Alex Copeman on the show a bunch, right, and we love him his ace. I mean, I don't think there's a more I mean, well, I won't say important, but being a brain surgeon is a pretty fucking important job, right. It's not like you don't want anyone just anyone doing that. And there's a huge amount of skill and knowledge and training and years of experience and competence and confidence and all of that.
But even he says it probably killed me for saying this. Some neurosurgeons are pricks and they're not nice people, and they're not nice and they might be technically good, but you know, to case in point, and I can't say who, but a friend of mine who's having like issues, he met with Alex last week. And the feedback from my friend was he's awesome. Yeah, and yes, he's very good
at his job. But you know what he said. He said, he sat with me for an hour, right, and he talked to me and he listened to me, and he like even and I understand they're very busy, and there's a lot of neurosurgeons who are brilliant and all that, right, So we're not saying neurosurgeons are good or bad, but there are some. It's like there are some podcasters who are fucking idiots. There are some some people might say I'm in that group. You know, they're an exos physiologists
that are amazing and not so much. It's not about the profession, it's about individuals. But I'm with you, Yeah, finding a person, be that an EP or a gardener or a neurosurgeon that you trust and that you like and that you like being around them, or at the very least you trust them to be at your house or work with your brain or whatever it is, Like, it's pretty important.
Yeah, yeah, it's he's probably hit the trifecta there, or at least or multiples of whatever's required to be an awesome guy.
In I started working in gyms in eighty two and I stopped officially working in gyms in twenty fourteen. So that's aden, what's that thirty six years that's actually owning gyms, working in gyms, and I still do stuff in gyms. I still you know, obviously I worked with a chain of gyms. Today, I'm still doing stuff in the fitnesses
to blah blah blah blah blah. In all that time of working at the coal face of training people, writing programs, working with sporting clubs, working with Olympic athletes, you know, training a massive cross section of human beings, prescribing exercise, blah blah blah, in all of that time, I've been asked once what my qualification is by a client? Do you know what I mean? Like someone coming in off the street and that you go, Hi, this as harp, is this what we do? This? How we do it?
I'm Craig bab bah. Like one person in all the years said to me, what is your qualification?
Yeah?
Now, I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but you know, here's the thing, Like, yes, we need to be qualified in short, registered, knowledgeable, all of that stuff. But at the end of the day, for a lot of people, what is at the very least pretty important is do I like you?
Do?
I trust you do? I think you know what you're doing? Do you care about me a bit? I know it's a transactional relationship, I get it. But even though I'm giving you money and you're giving me your skill and service, we can still like each other. And then the last question is do I want to come back to this place and this person? You know?
Yeah, social beings at the core of it, which is one of the most effective ways changing habits as well. How do we nurture both of those things? Be nice, be great to be around, and have some thoughts to pop into play as well. I think that type of persons probably better as well at going. I'm not quite sure about the answer of that, I'm going to come back to you or someone else is better to answer that can compet to me.
Yeah, I think that people who are in positions of I guess leadership in that you know, when it's you and a patient or you and a client, you're the leader in that dynamic for that hour. Do you think that some people feel compelled to come up with an answer even if they really don't know.
Yeah.
Absolutely, And I remember that of myself as a young clinician and for the young clinicians that I mentor.
It's one of the kind of hurdles that we try to jump really really early.
Is this idea that almost to the counter of what we've been talking about, is that rapport is really hard to get and no, you can get rapport within minutes or seconds, and that you don't maintain rapport just by being the answer for everything. And there feels like there's a big pressure as a young clinician to have the answer for everything or for things to move at a particular pace. And I think that's what you gain as
you get it you mature as a clinician. Is that's something that I now know even greater about the physiology is with my skill set and what you're presenting with. I don't think we can get to where you want to be without the inclusion of either this or this or starting somewhere else which doesn't fit into my skill set, and that being the trust piece for people as well, is that we're not, as you say here doing transaction that is just me trying to create a transaction.
It's a trust kind.
Of situation as well, and it's also a if it's done well, it's a partnership. So this is your responsibility for the next two weeks. This is what I'm going to do in the background for the next two weeks. When we get back here. If everything's gone well and I've done my job well with your behavior change stuff, and we've hit the mark, then in two weeks, this
is what we expect to have happened. And you know who either come back and life's done something weird or it hasn't been quite the right recipe, but they've figured out something else that got in the way that they just had never a thought of.
Okay, let's pull that apart. So it's yeah.
I think it's this beautiful layering is as you get better at just being more human about the experience, you don't feel the need to be right about everything how much.
When you are in a meeting with somebody for maybe the first time. Obviously there's all the clinical stuff and the assessment stuff and the science stuff. There's that, and then there's the intuition. Then there's the instinct. Then there's that I just have a vibe. How much do you allow yourself to open the I have a vibe door and ask a question which may not even seem like some people would go, why the fuck? Did what? What?
Why are you asking that? Because I feel like when you have enough runs on the board or enough miles on the metaphoric clock, there's shit that you know about people. Sometimes you don't always get it right. I don't always get it right, but often intuitively or instinctively, before they've even presented with anything or said anything, you know that you you know, like, how how wide do you open that door? If at all?
Yeah?
I do I open that door because I usually, particularly when I feel like it's going to be helpful for the person, whether it's me the one that's delivering the end outcome or otherwise, I'm always checking is this a question to bolster my ego? Or is this a question that's helpful for this person on their journey. So it's like just that little click of is this for me?
Or is this question helpful for our experience together? And where they say that they want to be, So it's always that little bit of a question happening in the background.
I also think of it as like square wheels and round wheels, Like when you start and you're younger, you're on the square wheel and everything's a little bit clunky, and you haven't even figured out how to ask that type of question particularly well, So you're more nervous about how you're going to present to them, even if you had the thought, often because you're so preocery pied with, you know, getting everything done in the right time and feeling like you've done a good job that and will
they come back and all those kind of very I'm going to air quotes immature kind of it's not that they're immature, but these are. This is the experience of the clinician as they start then slowly to round out the wheels, to feel stronger in asking some of those intuitive questions, because you're ultimately dealing with a human, not a pathology, and you know, what's the sense of why
these symptoms are persisting? And what's your sense asking even asking them, what's your sense of why this has become really difficult in the last six months, that you know, being able to ask those really reflective questions more so. And I think at this point I'm just better at putting my values forward in a way that makes it
feel like a safe question. The example that pops up for me was someone that was an ultra runner, and there's a reasonable amount of data in ultra runners that it's a choice of exercise that often gets chosen by people who have had trauma in their life.
And there was no.
Sort of particular reason in the kind of scope of the story and the way we were talking about it, and so it was something, Okay, I feel like this is a reasonable and helpful question for me to ask and lay it out in a way that feels respectful and a way that is demonstrating my values and what we're trying to achieve together and lay that question for to say, this is something, this is data that pops up, and is that something that rings true to your story?
Do you feel comfortable discussing that with me? And then that door either opens or it doesn't. And I think the coolest thing I've listened to lately was this the idea that.
A coach that's able to ask a question that might.
That might end up in someone being offended and not willing to stay and continue the conversation is often a coach that's willing to pursue your greatest potential.
So I'm not as worried about if you're.
Going to be offended more that I've done it in a respectful way because I'm willing to push you to a level that's a little bit closer to the potential
that you're trying to achieve. I'm not going to sugarcoat it and just you know, blow smoke to make it feel like you're going in the right direction, when maybe a trickier question or challenging something is going to be a more effective way of slightly shifting the boat that one degree and getting you you want to be and risking that you might go, actually, no, I you know, I don't like that question at all, or I'm offended by that question, and you know that's the end of
the relationship. But yeah, always having that concept in the back of the mind that am I doing this for their betterments or is this just an ego based question?
I love it. That's so smart. I love that, and I think also in the same kind of vain I say to people, I'm not interested in making you feel good for the next three minutes. I'm interested in helping you over the next three decades, whether or not I'm involved for a week or a month or a year, Like you know whether or not your nose is in joint or out of joint for the next three minutes. In a loving, caring way, I give zero fux. Right, it doesn't mean I don't care about you. In fact,
I really care about you. I care so much that I want to be the person that helps you, coaches, supports, encourages you for as long as you want or don't want, but to become independently strong, resourceful, self sustaining so you don't need me, so you don't need an EP or an exercise scientist or a coach or you know. I think that, and I think, look, obviously everybody doesn't resonate with me or you, right, and not everybody will resonate
with this conversation. But you know, for me, it's that idea of an unreasonable friend, like someone will tell you what is what they believe, someone who actually genuinely cares about you. They want you to succeed. It's not a strategic relationship. Yeah, maybe there's money changing hands, but they still actually want you to do well. I used to say to my clients, my goal is to get you as self sustaining and independent as quickly as possible, and then fuck you off. Right, I don't want you. I
want you not to need me. And if I want you to be dependent on me, I'm the worst coach in the world. But that's some people's model is to make people dependent on them. Well, that's just a dealer, that's just somebody creating a bunch of addicts. Like I want people to not need me. And if they chime in and listen to the show for a bit of an update or a bit of a kick in the ass, or you know, some amusement or entertainment because they're meeting you today or whatever, great, I mean, listen to all
the shows. But I'm not saying you know as you say as well, you know I'm not the answer. I'm a tool. A tool. A lot of people say that, Yeah that was a faux pat but truth. But I'm a resource. But that you know, like sometimes helping people or sometimes even being loving doesn't feel very loving. In the moment. But I think if people genuinely understand firstly, if you are coming from a good place, let's just hope that's the case. But then they understand that, you know.
And I've had people in my life. I had a guy in my early days and then I'll shut up. I had a guy called David Panther, who was one of my first clients. I don't even know if David Panther is still alive. I haven't seen him for thirty years, right, But anyway, he owned a bunch of like you know, the two dollar shops right yep or whatever they are, those like where you're going and you buy, Oh look, I just bought a fucking an astray that lights up
for a three dollars fifty awesome? Who has astrays? Right? Or I just bought prescription and glasses for two dollars or not prescription, but you know, reading God, all that kind of stuff. Anyway, I used to train him at stupid o'clock. I literally used to train him at four o'clock or four thirty three days a week. Anyway, that's another story. But I was always he was very you know, relative to me. He was the richest man in the world. I was just I was driving an Orange Cortina station wagon.
I had four dollars in the bank. I was still working in pubs at night, you know, getting punched in the face for twelve dollars an hour and all that. Right, So I hadn't actually hit the big time, not that I ever had. But I used to look up to him, and I was somewhat because he was so confident, so successful, so wealthy. I'd almost second guess myself around him when I was training him. And one day he goes to me. He goes, listen to me. Because he was about forty
and I was twenty two or something. He goes, in this environment, he goes, you're the expert. He goes, you're the boss. He goes, I know you're twenty two. Maybe I was twenty three, so maybe had five years of experience in a gym. Still knew fuck all right, But compared to him, I knew a lot. And he's like, stop second guessing yourself. Tell me what to do, don't ask me, just fucking tell me what to do. Be assertive,
and I will do. He goes, but when you look like you're not sure or your second guessing or you're
lacking confidence, it makes it worse for me. And it was like the best conversation anyone could have and I went oh oh, and I went cool, and that kind of that was one of many moments on my journey where somebody gave me advice, perspective, insight that in that moment I really needed because I was just racked with self doubt and if I was around anyone that I thought was smarter than me, which was pretty much everyone,
you know, I basically fucking self sabotaged. But those people are like angels along our journey.
I think, yeah, clear, to be kind, I've got heaps of little nuggets like that. You've delivered two of mine in that way in my life. But it's like it's this slow kind of transaction from someone having needing this external locus of control feedback from outside versus internal locus of control. And like you said, there was a it
feels it feels like a good example. The other day, one of my clients who will kind of pop in and out every now and then contacted me and said, oh, I need to book an appointment thinking about this, and da da da da da, and then they booked the appointment, and then like a day later they text and went, actually, I canceled it.
I'm overthinking it. You've taught me all this stuff before. I don't need it.
I'm just going to trust my decision. And that was like perfect, Yeah.
Can you send me the cash anyway, this is an ongoing this is like a retainer situation.
Now you still got my benefit from that, so pay up.
But yeah, was what was a when did I give you some tough love?
There's been too I can't remember the context of the first one, but I clearly remember the language.
I can probably make up the context. The context would have.
Been me in like when we're at UNI, I would say, probably to the end of.
It, and you.
Had seen potential in me and great promise and all that kind of stuff, and you throw me some bones. But in the background, I was a wildly insecure human, pretty unwell, mentally unwell, and you know, I was also just finding my social freedom as well, so I was pretty pierced. A lot of the time. I was, you know, out trying to gain confidence myself through socializing and all that kind of stuff.
We just poured out to the audience that when So this was back when I did my first degree and before Anna did her master's, so this was undergraduate excise science. But I started my first year I was thirty six, and your first year you were eighteen or nineteen.
I turned eighteen in the first year. I was young, and I'd done another I'd started another thing before, so I'm pretty sure I was eighteen in that first year.
So I was literally I could have been your dad, but would have been touching. But I was like, thirty six, you were eighteen, so young, cold dad. Wow, I was probably terrifying, was I.
Yeah, definitely, I was intimidated by you. I was intimidated by you, for sure, absolutely. And you'd come in and you'd say stuff which made me feel really awkward because I was quite approved, Like you talk about going to the toilet and stuff, and I.
Was like, we didn't. That doesn't seem like me.
And this was to me talking about bodies in my home environment wasn't like that was like, you keep that very private. So it was all these exposures that you gave me that we're like whoa so an awkward laughter, and but that I.
Would describe the ship that I just had having a coffee, Well.
We'd be at the start that I can clearly remember being in the kind of canteen area and it'd becoming close to needing to go off to a lecture or whatever, and you'd be like, oh, I just got to drop the kids off at the pool.
And initially I didn't even know what that phrase meant.
And then I slowly like, because I was very green, I was a very green human, and you'd clearly done the rounds on life and like you're welcoming talking about going to do a pooh was just like, oh my god, did he just say that?
Like yeah, anyway, well, you probably hadn't started pooing at that stage, so it was probably a foreign concept because we know that women don't shit, No, we.
Don't smell, we don't shit, and we definitely don't do it in public places.
So I definitely talk about it.
No, And it was a big awakening for me, which I'm so thankful for now. Like I'm still a bit of a proved but I'm a lot like for the services of helping people. I get over my prood to this. But the first thing at that stage, you know, socializing, you know, a bit too hungover and drunk most of the time, and you must have given me an opportunity or whatever happened, and your feedback to me was you're unreliable, and that stopped me in my tracks because I was
not at all proud of that. But you didn't. But the point being is you didn't give up on me. You said, here, you need.
To know this. We are okay, but this is going to make a difference.
And I just was like, oh shit, okay, I can't fuck up like that again. That is not what I want from this and I need to straighten up. And then I also also suffer from something I think I'm getting better I'm better from. Is I have what I call resting think face.
So when I'm free resting think face.
Resting think face, I do you know what the rest of the world calls it, right, I also have think resting bitch face as well, but it's I'm coming to terms with that as well. I'm not like if for people that I'm interested in what my face does, I do better Otherwise I'm just cruising around. But resting think face is that if you're saying something to me and I'm wanting to process it, and there's other like other bits of information coming in from the background and all
of it, Like there's processes going on. My face does a thing where I don't look inviting. I just kind of go blank. I guess my face kind of goes blank. Anyway, Zoom zoom platforms have helped because now I can see myself and go, oh, my face is doing that thing that makes other people feel uncomfortable where they think I'm not in Well, so now you know, the blessing of zoom is I get to see my face and go, Okay, I'm thinking, but I've got a nuts face on it.
I'm inviting.
I get that too. I get I think I have whatever the boy well, you know, resting bitch face. You know, it's like where people think I'm mad or I'm mad at them because I'm just I'm looking with this expressionless face, but I'm intently listening. Yes, yes, Like what's in my head is, oh wow, this is interesting. I'm engaged. Keep talking, But what they're seeing is I fucking hate you.
Yeah, when you're gonna stop talking.
Yeah, that's it's so funny that you don't. Yeah. That actually is a really good point that zoom has somewhat changed that, because I mean I never did Skype, and so to be able to see albeit not that it's my favorite thing to look at is my head, but to be able to see my head kind of next to your head if I look over there and realize it. To have a I mean talk about you know, like self awareness, social awareness, you know, metabception is to be
able to see yourself in real time talking. That's actually a social advantage.
Yeah, yeah, and to be able to kind of utilize it. And in the other way when your people appear disengaged, Okay, what have I got to do to swing this back around? And yeah, have that ability to go, oh, actually no, your face is not stepping up like you said before, like I've got to because if my face is smiling, my voice is smiling as well, like you said before.
Where sometimes you've got to lift your own energy. And that's actually an advantage, an advantage, and the deeper that we go into our thoughts are often our face does that as well. It happens in clinic too. When people are thinking about moving, their brain will be processing so often their neck and shoulders stop moving and it's like, Okay,
you're thinking about the movement too much. Now, can you just let it let it be because your head's meant to be doing something as well now and you just we end up freezing a little bit.
So those were or two bits of feedback.
I apologize for being terrifying, but I hope my I hope the outcome was positive not negative.
Yeah, no, I think we can conclude that. We can conclude that.
Well, despite me, you're doing very well. How can people connect with you? So you're available for one on one stuff, You're available for corporate work, for speaking, for clinical stuff. Am I correct in everything I'm saying? How can people connect with you? Find you, follow you.
Connect directly would be jump on my website and there's a there's a little contact me page where you can send over your thoughts and ideas or things that you have a burning question about. So that's on a movement dot com. And then there's social media where also you challenged me, I don't I actually counted it.
A little while back.
You challenged me to do one hundred two camera facing posts. And I'll just let you know I've achieved that. I don't know how long it took me, but done that. So you can go and see my little two camera Instagram thoughts and processes that have popped up at unadt movement on Instagram, and they're similar on LinkedIn and those types of things as well.
Yeah awesome. And if all of that you forget, just send an email to me by my site and will hook you up. Thank you. You're quite good at that, quite good. You know, you're quite good value and you Nobody needs to know this, but we'll tell them. You stepped in it late. Now, somebody pulled a hamstring and I rang you and I went fucking hell, we're gonna have to put you in the game. And you went all right.
So thanks all the opportunities. Yeah, no, thanks, appreciate it.
Thanks lovely. We'll talk to you off here, but for the moment, thanks for that.
Thanks, Thanks everyone,