Listen, Thanks listen, Thanks welcome everybody the w w E podcast for that's another episode of our podcast at wtf W B podcast, at WTFW trash on the Twitter, the Instagram, the TikTok, it's your boy Kanye Twitter, and like always, I got my partner right here, your boy to mean lying, your boy, no me lying. And today you know, last week, you know you guys got to got to hear and see the amazing
episode with Drexel the Homicidal Artist. Uh. And you know in that episode we talked about referee brad Alie. You know, he's it's I don't even know really fully how to how to explain everything he does, so I'm gonna let him do it himself. But first things first, check out and follow everything on the discord and everything at me WW podcast. Make sure you give all of the WTFW episodes a little like you know what I mean, for your boy Kanye and to me Lyon. But uh, we're gonna get right
into this. For the first time ever in my experience, we get to hear from the referee. The referee. Go ahead and introduce yourself, Brad. I am referee Bradley from Portland, Oregon. Um first graduate student of Oregon Pro Wrestling School. Um. We have one other ref now graduated from there, fidel Um. But yeah, well now what all? And you know, like I know where you where you where you do your refer duties at. I've seen you at Prestige. I've seen you with a couple of
promotions. I mean, you know, basically, let let's give give the people kind of a background. You know how you got to where you're at now, you know, because that sounds like you're crazy, crazy story all right, So I guess how far back to you? We can go back to the child and growing up. UM My dad super big wrestling fan. UM. He used to go to if anybody's familiar with the Saint Louis scene from the indies or when we had the Territories Goal and wrestling at the Chase.
So my dad grew up going to wrestling at the Chase shows. UM grew up watching Rick Flayer and UM. So when I was a kid, we went to the first like every WCW Nitro show, UM, and uh, hundreds and hundreds of indie shows. We went to all the ECW stuff. He took me to see Undertaker versus Sean Michaels held to cell. I was seven rows away from the bank, crying my brains out because I seen Sean Michaels covered in blood and I was afraid that Undertaker killed him. Been
a wrestling fan my entire life. After the attitude era kind of happened, ruthless aggression kind of came, and the edge of WWE changed. I kind of fell out of it after WCW and all of that, But then I started going to indie shows again. Moved out here to Oregon, went to Dawa Pro Wrestling as a fan and was like, man, this is the ship and I love this. I need to do something. What can I
do? So I started searching for schools because the only way you can get in the rings you have to go through a cool So I start searching. I search, I reach out, I reach out to a promote place. I never hear anything. Two years happens. Nothing. All of a sudden, the pandemic happens. Everything's shutting down. We don't have anything going on. I get a random email. Finally, two and a half years later, oh hey, so DUBC. DUBC is no longer going to be operating.
But Ricky Gibson is opening the school. You're in Oregon, UM, you should reach out. So I reached out. Started right then. I was probably I was trying to say two weeks into the school even being opened. As of school. I started training three days a week, six seven hours a day for a good solid year before I debuted, and then I worked. I started off. I did the very first so OS Pro Wrestling show when they first became a promotion. I was two months into training.
UM. They sent me up there because they needed they needed somebody. UM. I went up there, scared to death because it was literally two months into training. UM went up there busting my ass, did a really good job. They were happy. I didn't come back for a long period of time because I was busy going otherwhere. UM. But then now, like you said, you've seen me on Prestige, UM I read for to five UM TPW, Timber Pro Wrestling, DA POW Pro Wrestling, SOS Pro Wrestling,
UM I did. I did a little stint with BCWUM reactivate. I am now the head ref over at Relentless Pro Wrestling. UM. So I do all their stuff, which you've seen me down in LA for Mania with them Um, I do all the deathmatch stuff in the area Drexel. As you talked to Drexel, he has owned me the ways of doing things. So now I build all of the weapons. UM. I think my biggest feat was building that trampoline of doom that we used at Prestige. That took
hours to build. That's that's nuts that we were that we were both there, we were both in the building for that. Yeah, it was absolutely amazing. Yeah, that was fun. I was glad that it survived and nobody got heard through it. Um. And then the no ropes death match that we did with Akira and Drexel, with the no ropes, no pad barbed wire death match that we just did there at Prestige. That was insane.
Um. That took a lot of time and I cut the hell out of myself in that match putting all that barbed wire together to build those all the ropes a lot of work, a lot of time. UM. Yeah. UM. I built that knife board that Akira brought out to the thing because that's what he wanted. So I like all that crazy craziness. So Drexel has been my UM. He's been a huge help teaching me the ways and how to do things properly so that we can put on these crazy shows
for all of us sick individuals like us that like watching it. Yeah, well, it just goes to show you like how the fans don't know the extent of how far it goes behind the scenes and what what everyone actually does to get it put together and make it happen. And you know, what you're doing is you know, some of the best stuff that that's out there. You know, when you can when you can make a weapon to put in the ring to not only make these guys look good but also be safe
at the same time. That's that's awesome, man, It's a whole art. It's an art. Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I was I'm honored that Drexel gave me that platform and taught me those, you know, the tricks of the trade and things to do to make to make a show go because you know, we like the shows and we want the shows to go smoothly, so we have to do what we have to do. And you have to learn. So you have to be willing to learn and have to be willing to put your body on the line. Yeah, what what
what is it like? There's one one question. I gotta ask right off of that because I wonder it all the time when when you're dealing with tax in the ring and you have to hit that one, two, three? Are they are they going in your head? You catch some taxs. You're
trying to give him a swish before you start counting. Oh no, my fingers are still um, just from many a week when I from working Crimson and Circle six, I put my hands straight down, and when I lifted it up for the one, this whole hand was just covered like the tax were stuck in it. Um. For four days, I couldn't squeeze my fingers closed my hand. My hand was swollen from all the puncture holes into it. Um. I go ahead and lay some tacks on the ground and
smack your hand on. Do it? No, uh, you know, maybe being to me, you will have to do a YouTube, you know, an Instagram video or TikTok video. Maybe we just got to challenge each other to do that, because I'm just saying that if he can do it, like I think I can do it, you know what I'm saying, it hurts, especially because like there's so many nerve endings into your hands. Oh man, I put my body. I will throw my hands into the
fire. You know at Circle Sikes we did a flaming tables match and I was right there like, um, so yeah, I'm not yea, I'll put my hands right into make system. I'm not. I don't want to like move things. I don't want to have to like you know, it's a pin I'm there. I gotta be there. I want to be on time. I want to make sure I'm in the right place. And if I gotta move crap out of my way to get to so that I'm there, I'm not in the right place at the right time, then so respect,
Yeah, that's respect. It hurt. What's the uh? What? Okay? Now you know now you uh you know you're doing these that that's matches and what what what's give me? Give me one one that that you know? I mean, I know they're all probably amazing. There's a lot of amazing professional wrestlers you get to work with, but you know at the top of your list, you know right now, like what's one match that you're just like WTFW Like what the F was I doing? I can't believe
that, you know, Like, which one does it for you? I mean, who was it? Um he Honestly, I'm gonna say um, because I've done so many. Um, the one that I feel like was my the moment that broke for me. Um, I'm gonna give that one to kid Bandit and Drexel. That was That's my That's my number one, like highlight because I mean that went viral and kid Bandit. I love her to Dad. She she put me over as the rest in that match, um, which they didn't have. She didn't have to do. Drexel does
too. They don't have to do that. I'm not It's not about me, it's about them. Um. But Dad, that one's probably my number one. And then Drexel danger Aaron with the surprise appearance of Akira, Um probably be up there. That's crazy, you know, Like you know, I do have kid Bandit, you know, me and her talk too, because that's that's actually how I got introduced to kid Bandit, you know what
I'm saying. And you know, was that match and and since then, you know, I've gotten to see three more matches, uh and and and you know what, it seems to be a common consensus that everybody I talked to in the in the business over here that that is at the top of a lot of people's lips. Um. Pro Wrestling does not deserve kids, snow kind. It's it's crazy, and I can't wait. I really can't wait to you know, I'm gonna have kid bad to hear on the show
here in about a month. Uh. But you know, it's just really awesome to everybody I talk to, everybody, I talk to you because I mean, I'll admit I'll admit it. You know when when you first see me, you know, at the first couple of Prestige shows and whatnot, you know, you know, hollering at you the party, like hey, hey, Rep, can I have a picture with you? You know, I was a Mark. I was a Mark, but but now you know, I said this on the on last week's episode with Drexel, like,
especially with Prestige Um, I don't feel like a Mark. I don't feel like a fan boy. I don't feel like you know, no, I feel like part of the family, you know, because like you know, when it comes to all you guys, from you to Devin and then all
the wrestlers, you know, and it's just us. Been such an amazing journey for me personally to meet and actually get to know all of y'all, and you know, see, you know, you know what really how this really comes down because I mean independent wrestling, it's one of those things you know, people think that, oh, I see that I can do that.
Now you can't. You want to take one of those chops. No, I don't think you knew, you know, And and that's why it's so neat, you know, to see the camaraderie because everywhere we go. We had an episode when I first went to that first show and you know, met you and saw kid Bandit and all that. Uh, we did a whole episode episode called kid Bandit Fire, like a whole episode just to tell people, you know, who who this person was and how amazing they
are. And then you know that she's popped up in a couple other episodes. So you know, it's really nice to see, you know, like the support that the that the community, the wrestling community has for each other, because I mean, you don't get that profession, you know what I mean, Yeah, totally, Yeah, it's a it is a Wrestling is a huge worldwide phenomena, but it is actually just really small little community one. You know, we can't I got news coming to my phone non stop.
I mean since we've been on this, just this podcast, so far, my phone, my Twitter feed has went off like forty times like news. I can't keep I have to keep a battery backup because there's so much going on with social media, just with wrestling. It's like I had I got rid of like my personal stuff just because wrestling takes up at all. I have to notice, uh you know, uh, you know, and in northern life, I was a hip hop artist. You know, I
did at a little thing here and there, did a few tours. You know, I played with with some people called Te Pays and Techno and things like that. But you know, I mean that's that was then. You know. Now I have to admit when it comes to my social media feed, in the last seven eight months, it has been transformed and taken over by wrestling from from from all you all the different promotions, all the different professional wrestlers. And it's not you know, w WAW, the big one.
It is the independent seat. So you know, I have to agree with you there, But I actually I enjoy it, you know, I really do. It's way better than than it was with the music and the rappers. And all that, like like this is better than this is this is this is a lot healthier for the brain. I own a recording studio. I mean, I'm sitting in the vocal booth that we're transforming to make the better vocal booth. Um. I record everything from hip hop to brack
music, you know, country music, bluegrass. I'm working with an R and B artist right now that she's just fucking killing it. This whole album gonna be amazing. Um. I got my own personal projects going. I make trench music for you know, all the different wrestlers. I'm working on like twelve of them right now that will become you will hear in the PNW. That's kind of where I focus. Most of my MJ has been focused to. Like Okay, I'm home. You know, I run a pizza
shop Monday through Thursday. And when I'm not at the pizza shop, I'm in the studio in the lab making music, trying to you know, put together wrestling songs. Um. I'm working with the Midget Wrestling Warriors. A lot of people think the name and it gets all kinds of crazy, but that's the name they I love that whole company. It's amazing I'll be in Indiana at the end of the month with them. But I have my own entrance song, I have my own video package. I come out and I'm
I'm a baby face. That's my whole thing. I'm like shaking babies. Let's go. It's fun, you know. I don't know, maybe like any w version Cody Roads baby face, because I've been in a few plays. This is where you may think you in the baby face, you ain't the baby face places that I'm hated. I'm hated. There's that's the beauty of it though, what that's the beauty of it? Though? Yeah, yes, absolutely, there's a video of me coming out like everybody going crazy.
But then like if you don't get they don't like it. Man, I tagged him some of these freaking baby bad guys they like try to play games and twist your mind around and get you all distracted, and then you know it's it's rough. You gotta you gotta keep your eyes on a swivel with all these people. That's that's facts, facts upon facts. Well, Hey, you know what, I'm safe. Yeah, we have a rule here on the podcast, like no one's safe and the rest definitely isn't safe,
like that's for sure? Were you were you at Poal? I was not at Poal. No man, look forward, um go on so mad and you will find a match that we happened last night with Murphy Madison, Hera and Kikio and a triple thret that was amazing. It was fun. I I that's so much fun. I'm gonna I'm gonna find that. I'm gonna post that on our social media because I gotta say, right here, right now, I'm gonna let my class and the melon would say, I'm
gonna let my fan boys show. But uh, Murphy Madison, Amira, Akikio, hats off, hats off, Like I want to see that match. I want to you know video A fan recorded it from the stage, so against and so you can see their video. The how video will come out as soon as they get done with their editing and all, okay the fanciness that they do. But you can see the fan videos on Twitter. It has been shared around. I think I may being shared it. If
not, definitely go find that. But uh a for sure, you know, like we keep saying, you have so many hats uh you got your own promotion. I do with Kikio as part owners of it with me Um, and then we've got three other owners that UM are in the and then they're with us, Cody and Josh, and we got Steve mission near zero that little songble bitch h Well, okay, so you got your own promotion. You do music, you're recording, you're the ref, whether you're a
herol or the baby face. Uh, you know what, you know the fine Besides all of that, what do you what? What do you got just yours? What's what's something? What's anything else that you do that people? Let's say it because a lot of people know who referee Bradley is the skinny ref however you want to say, but what give me people something that they probably don't know about your ass um. I am an adamant adamant disc
golfer. Oh awesome, I love this golf to me, Lyon just gotta gotta gotta softie right there because he hit this golfing food I got my I'm looking right sitting right here. I have my whole cart with all my my forty eight disc in it. Like man, if it wasn't raining, I probably would have went out and played today. That I feel it though, I feel though I don't like. I like getting the clubs and going real golf. I'm not real scripted golfing. I don't feel scripted golfings. I'll
tell you what. Taking one of these and throwing a three hundred plus feet and through the trees is a feet in its own I'm I'm not, I'm not. I don't want to start a feud here because I don't want to get in the ring with you right now, all right, have a training properly, So I'm just gonna back off of that one. But uh, you know, let's the one serious question I wanted to ask, and then
we're gonna get to some fun you know, mean to me. Lyone has a list because everything on this podcast we put it in one of three categories. Everything it's either fire, it's trash, or it's a lunchable break Like I'm so unemotionally like like Omas on my TV, I'm so emotionally uninvested that I'd rather go to the fridge enjoin me a lunchable, make some sandwich, cheese, got the Capri sun, you know, the Reese's peanut butter cup,
and I'm happy. But so we'll get to that. But you know, I wanted to do touch on one serious question because this is an opinion that me and mean to me and have talked about a lot and at length, and it's it's some of the casual fans wouldn't know or notice or understand and so correct me if I'm wrong. It's more of a statement, and
you can tell me if I'm right and explain or not. In my mind, the most important person in the professional wrestling when it comes to the show in the moment I'm talking to, the show's happen, and the fans are there, the match is happening. In my mind, the most important person is the ref. Am I wrong in thinking that because I feel like the ref is is like they're they're directing, they're coordinating. I mean that you're given two amazing individuals, a four or fifteen or whatever. You get these
amazing individuals professional wrestlers. But I've been trying to argue with a lot of people that that the underappreciated you know, in person and all of wrestling is the ref. I will agree that the most underappreciated person and most of the time is the ref. The ref is ninety and it's changed in the PMW, especially since I've been in, since I've been around. UM, but the rest is the been the most like underappreciated, the last last option of
person that they're gonna think about. UM. But that has changed. UM. But you can't have a wrestling match without the referee in there. You can't have an n and a fight without the referee in there. You can't have a boxing match without the referee in there. Fire, absolutely fire, you know. Hey, you know that's that's so much love right there, you know, because I mean, you do a good job. I'll tell you that you do a good job. Devin could do better. No,
no, no, I'm starting a feud. I've been. I don't know why, but like every time I go to the show now, you know, like I gotta throw him some trash, you know, I just gotta throw him, you know. But one of these days I feel like he's gonna come out there and body slam me or something. But I love Devin, I love I love the crap out of him. But wrestling teams and
get a damnit Devin hurt? Yeah? Yeah, hey, And and that's the next spot, you know, before we get to you know the question, you know, the fire and trash list and you know, wrap this up, you know, uh, go ahead and let these people know where your social media is, where, where where you sell some stuff. If you want to plug a show, because you know, whatever you want to
do, the floor is yours to self promote. All right, Well, the next show you can catch me at is Relentless UM on the twenty second, and then in the month we'll be I'll be in Indiana with the Midget Wrestling Warriors. Um. All of my merch is found on Pro Wrestling teas, Brainbuster, what a Maneuver Storefrontier, you just search. Referee Bradley pulls it all up. Um, NW people go to the Brainbuster, support the PNW post of my people's I love them. Um. May thirteen, my
show Temperate Pro Wrestling. We'll be having our show and the VFW UM there in Everett former home of where Without a Hauls used to run. So at May thirteenth will be there, doors of four getting the show going. It's to be a really fun show. Got some really big news coming. Promos just got done yesterday. They'll be getting updated and edited. But that'll be a show that you don't want to miss. Zeo, Yeah, you can always catch me at Gaway, Pile, Relentless or Stige whenever they're on the
West Coast. I'm hopefully going to start traveling with them as much as possible if I can. Four flights everywhere you can find me down Circle six, no piece. I'm hoping to get in over there, working on trying to get over to Australia so I can do some deathmatch down under. Um. Yeah, so I'm all over you can see me all over the country. I've literally worked almost in two years of being in the business now, I've worked for twenty one promotions and four team states. So I just kind of
keep traveling all over the place. Um, doing my thing, just trying to get out there makes it happen because to go ultimate goals impact so okay and everything I can to get there. Yeah, hey, I feel that, you know, ladies, gentle, this is referee Bradley, like this is this is awesome, This is awesome, and now it's time to have some fun. Time to have a little bit of fun. It's like I said, you know, everything can be categorized as a fire, trash or
lunchable and mean to me. Lying has a list of five things for you, and I'm gonna let him take this part over. All right, let's go, all right, let's start it off. I always like to ask everybody, first off, this podcast, WTFW and podcasts in general, you know, what do you think I enjoy them? At first, I was real hestint on if I was gonna get on podcast. I was like, I don't know, because you know, I am a referee, and the
show isn't about the referee. So I was like, it's more about them, you know, the people that are out there bumping and doing the rat work and putting in these matches. Um. But and then it kind of changed over the year, so I may say fire to podcast. Good podcasts, garbage podcast out there that do nothing good for the community. Um So with those you can throw them in the trash, but good podcasts fire. I love it. Well, we're all we're all about spreading love and good
vibes over here. So I love the answer. Um xt off, peeps, what do you think of peeps? Marshmallows? Man? I like the cereal? Oh oh oh, the cereal is good. Do you know they make a PEPSI do? What do you know they make a PEPSI? I don't know about that. I'm a coke guy. If I'm gonna drink a pepsi or sod, I'm drinking coke. It's Peep's Pepsi. Yeah, you keep that, he said, trash trash, all right. Um, Well, being as you're the ref, what about Heckler's in the audience, what
do you think about? What do you think about that? Um? I love it now, I'm honest to god, I don't when I when the match is going and I'm working, I'm in there and I'm watching because my job, first and foremost in the ring is the safety of the people working. Um So ninety nine percent of the time, I don't hear what's going on around me. Um, because I'm so focused on the action and making
sure that they're safe. Um. So yeah, I like it, Like when I go back and watch the show and I and then I'm listening to it and I'm watching as a fan. Oh dude, when they started hackling me, that was a three you slow shit? I love it. Give it to him? Yeah, right on. I love that. But um, what about the comeback of mullets? What do you think fire? Oh no, no, no, absolutely no, no, No. I love you. I love you badly, but no, we're feuding on this one.
Fire put over, pot me over if if most promotions, like you know, if you watch a referee on TV, they're clean shave and short haired, cover their tattoos like I do. Um. If it wasn't for that, like I would probably rock a mullet. Hell yeah, I don't have to hair though. I got that that that long step flat hair, so it just doesn't just go straight down. So no, no, Eddie Pearl killed it with the mullet. Facts. Okay, fire, you ain't putting me over you. You can have that fire, you can keep that
fire. Okay, all right, we'll stick with the trend. What about country music generation Yeah, right now, right now, thrown in the garbage, absolutely said trash trash. Now you want to go like outlaw country, old school like John Cash, I've been going fire. Yeah there's some, I mean there's some. There's some good outlaw country right now. Man. So yeah, it's good. I mean there's good in all music. I'm not gonna say all the country music is garbage. Um, I'm just not
a fan. I am. I'm a funk blues jazz guy. I need to be a metal head. But give me some lark. Well you got anything else, anything else mean to me? Yeah, Man, I don't think it could have We could have asked for anything more. Man, it was a great interview. Yeah. No, I mean you know, uh, you know it's everybody out there. Uh, I mean it when I
say it. Referee Bradley, if you see him at any of the promotions that you that you possibly can go to and you see him add of promotion, he pu the dog shit out of him, the dog shit out of him, all right, because he is amazing at what he does. Um, he's amazing at what he what. You know, everything you're doing as being a part of the wrestling community, you're contributing so much and uh,
you know in your reputation proceeds itself. There's a lot of respect for what you do in the ring, you know, and you know and outside the ring, you know, like building the you know the weapons and you know obviously with entrance musics and you know, it's just it's it's a beautiful thing.
And that's what we're trying to do here the WTFW podcast. We are the only show on the channel, the ww podcast that he even shines a light on the Independence, And it was really because of the crop of people that we met, you know, with you in Sonico, you know, and kid Bandit, you know, Drexel, Amira Flax, you know, so Os you know, defied all of this. It was that that really really pushed us and realized where our spot needs to be in the podcast world,
that it is shining a light on the independence scene. And also given the you know, given the casual fan that only watches what they see on TV, a chance to see some of these people before there even there, you know, like you're Willow Nightingales, like your Tie of Valkyries, you know, and you know, seeing am you know, it's it's amazing.
Every one of those wrestlers that you see on WWE, or every single one of those wrestlers that you see in AW or Impact, they all started wrestling in a gymnasium somewhere and and and that's I feel like people forget that. Not everybody, Cio, He's right, yeah, we're just trying to we're trying to shot a light on it. So Wall, well, I got a little fan thing for you here. I think taking the tribal chief title, I thought, oh, I think it's Jay Jay I think Solo,
you think Jay, Yeah, I mean it should have been Sammy. It should have been Sammy. That's all I want to say. But I know, and to be honest with you, me and to me talking about this last week, Solo Sequoia has actually being quietly built better than a lot of a lot of wrestlers on WW in a long time. I mean they've had omas, you know, at their disposal for over a year. They can't they don't know what to do with it, you know what I'm saying.
But quietly he's only lost one and a half matches one of them was a taxi match. One and a half matches the whole year. And he doesn't have to talk, and he's he's he's a force to be reckon with. You know. I'm very very happy with what they've done with soul Us a coil, very very so well. Hey, you know you got a big man. I need to stop using your name. Huh. I'll edit it later. People are gonna wonder what I just said there, so I will
take that out. Mean to me lying and you got anything else left for left for mister brad Lee here, no man, Just just to say that it was a pleasure and we appreciate you coming on man. Oh yeah, that comes from me to uh you know, and the floor is always open. You know, our our platform is open to you whenever you want it. You know, if you want to, you know, promote some upcoming shows, you just want to call in and uh you know, you know, pop your head into podcast just to talk some trash. You know,
hey, you are more than welcome anytime anywhere. And and that's one hard step mets right there, you know, out of doubt. If you guys want to come up to Timber for well, then you know what people you know, the drill at WTFW trash on the Twitter, the TikTok to Instagram. Uh, this has been referee Bradley. Thanks again one last time, thank you so much. I'm Kanye Twitty. That isn't the mean lion.
And you know, hey, we always do this for everybody on our show before we say goodbye, uh, leaving with whatever you want to, leaving with some wisdom, some ball, craps, some trash, whatever it is. The floor is yours, mister Bradley. Let's see me kain treat everybody that's respect and let's stop me off of using children, beach Stars, dark Cass, good words, bloodget bloodget alright. This has been the WTFW podcast and we out thank you y'all. Don't remember that's just are we in general?
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