Welcome to another Wrestle Magic production checking in once again. It's me, It's me Rocky t here with the gardener, Michael Gross. Michael, please introduce our friends and tell us why we are here today and why we've gathered from three different time zones to talk with our friends on their ww podcasts. Well, we've got amazing friends here, and Wrestle Magic is always about things that's different and having conversations that you know, people want to talk about, but
they don't necessarily have the right people to talk to. So I reached into my back pocket and I talked to an old friend of mine who lives in Memphis. His name is chef Michael Patrick. This man is amazing. You put him in front of a knife and behind a piece of meat and you're not going to be the same. So, Michael Pat, I would like you to say hello to everybody. Hey, everybody, what's happening. So Michael Patrick has been a wrestling fan of this same amount of time as I
have, which is really important. It's really great to have this knowledge and this strength. Now behind that, we have to have our pro we have to have our worker. We got to have our boy, and that's the one and only PJ Glocko. A lot of you know him as Justin Incredible, one of my close friends. Justin take it away, what's going on, fellas. Happy to be here, happy to belated thanksgiving to those fans you know that we didn't get to speak to. I'm just happy to be
here in the happy to talk shop. Fantastic. Now, something important happened last night at the Survivor series. I made my return. Oh okay, it sure didn't look like you man whenever he came out, and then when we FaceTime, you'll have the same haircut. It is uncanny we do it. It was a very big moment in WWE history. Now they're already talking
about heat and things like that. And obviously we don't ask Justin about backstage stuff because that's not fair if he has friends there the leak things that we don't do that. But we are going to talk about what this is in the impact of wrestling because a long time ago, Justin, Rocky and I were kind of off camera. We all kind of like spitball, Who's gonna throne? Roman? Cody is supposed to be the heir to the throne,
But Cody hasn't been built the right way. But we talk about instinct credibility that one person is CM punk. So gentlemen, we're gonna start with the chef, mister Michael Patrick. I want you to tell me what you think this impact of CM punk coming back is going to be at what the run
he's gonna have is going to be. Like I'm told you all on my way last night, WW did a great job at you know, we see all kinds of dirt seats and people have their opinions on things, and there was a lot of chatter about seem punk that was showing up and he guys said, no, no, but what when that music hit and sounded like it was maybe a remastered version of Cold Personality, but I had heard a pop like that since the debut and a W you know, it was a
I think they really blew the roof off. And you know, some video service to Seth. I think, uh, I'd like seeing you know him in Seth's Worker program, uh right away just kind of feed us, you know, with all the rumor and then you know some of the things that Seth Brons had said back last year, and it just kind of it would be a great time way to kind of get us salvating, maybe a great role rumble match the Throne Room, and I just you know, it'd be
great kind of to see something like that. But I mean, what what is uh Punk's limitations now, you know, I mean he's every it seems like every few months he tears something or hurt something. You know. I'm but I'm excited hell to see what they could do with all the different kind of thing goes too. I mean, you know, Cody left AW because of Punk. Supposedly at one point in time, they were saying, so maybe there's a program in there too, fantastic rockstar. Well, this was
a very, very big surprise for me. I didn't expect it to happen after the announcement of Randy Orton coming back, so I kind of just blew it off, and sure enough, I was just as surprised as time as I was when he debuted in AW. Honestly, I see him on a one year Legends contract similar to the Double Boys when they returned in twenty fifteen. He's gonna come back, He's gonna have some wins, gonna have some
losses, he's gonna have a title match. He's gonna come close, but no cigar, and I think he rides off to the sunset with the Hall of Fame induction, maybe as early as next year unless they extend him, and maybe the following year. But this is a cash grab as well. They already have his merchandise on ww dot com from the Survivor series, so already said in the merch I'm excited to see what he's gonna do. I know he has some real LFE beef with Seth Rawlins, and that's gonna air
out. I'm sure soon enough. I'm sure people are going to start talking about that and bringing it up. Honestly, I see his first big feud against Seth, and maybe as early as the title match, maybe for the rumble. I think that would be a nice spot there. Seth retaining of course, but like I said, Punk's here with his equity, with his
big name value to give back. So I also kind of see him with maybe some of the edge treatment it comes, like I said, comes back whin some loses some a couple of title matches, but not quite there, but just to give back. Not as bad as the John Senior return recently, because he's basically lost every match, but Punk's got some business here to handle, and I'm just excited to see it on fold with his debut on
Raw coming Back or his return on Raw coming Back tomorrow night. Well, that just leaves you, PJ. So what do you think, bro, Well, I hate spoils things for you, but sources tell me, and I've been on this since it happened. Seth Rawlins planted that seed in that interview a long time ago, already from Triple H, already kind of knowing that this would get out there. Intentions were already being you know, the machine was spinning back then. There's no heat between these guys at all.
It was, It's all fabricated. This has all been a master plan of what really needs to happen. I think these days in wrestling, because things are so out in the open, and wrestlers all know it, so they try to play. The work has become more for guys like me and other guys in the business, has become more cerebral, and you have to start way beforehand. So I think these guys understand that, and they are planting seeds in interviews and so forth, and so on and so forth. They
did not come to an agreement ten days prior. I know that that for a fact. I think Melcher reported it as well. This has been going on for ten days. Nobody in the company knew other than Hunter and maybe Evince, so this was a very tight ending secret. But from my understanding is that this was the plan all along, going way back to when Seth dropped that line at that interview that people think they have heat. I know for a fact they do not have heat, and they're really happy to work
with each other. Nothing but money on the table. And I think that if there are some of the boys who claim to be upset that he's there, then they're just marks, dude. They don't understand that he's going to bring business up. Everyone makes money. If the houses are up, you get more money in your check. That's the bottom line. Everybody should be happy he's there, and I think most are, and as Old Jr. Said, business is about to pick up and it will. See. Himpunk
is a very short timeline only because of his age. I'm fifty years old. I think he's got to be forty six, forty seven something like that. But time is not on our side anymore. So his career has a short leash, especially to be you know, in a company like WWE, it's you know, it's intense up there, physically, mentally, everything. So but I'm happy to see it. I think it's great for the business. And like I said with him in ae W and I'll say it here in WWE, the time to strike is now, you know. And I
think he recognized it. So I mean, this is uh, this is the money he has to retire on. So he's gonna go out there and make it. But I think everybody in the company should be happy because they're gonna make it too. So I think it's great all the way around. Okay, So now we're gonna go reverse around the table. Okay, and I'm gonna start with Rocky who can benefit the most from defeating CM punk. Seth Rollins is already on top of this game Roman Reigns. It does nothing
for him. But I can think of one person, and I want to be the last to speak on this, whose career could be jump started into a Roman Reigns trajectory if he defeats CM Punk. So I'm gonna give it to you first off the top of my head. The first guy that does come to mind is l A. Knight. That's just because he's the fastest rising star. I know he's got plans, well he doesn't have plans, but there's rumors out there that he you know, is gonna win the Rumble.
But I think a career that Seampunk could be a career win for him and that could get him into the next level. To keep him, we know he hit a championship match, but to keep him as the championship contender, you have to be a former champion, you have to be the legend. And I think seam Punk is the guy to give back. That would be the perfect guy to give back to now as far as him taking lost it, like I said, Seth Wallins, yes, we want to see
the feud. People think that, you know, Punk's the guy to beat Roman. I don't think so. But my top pick is going to be l A. Knight. Okay, so we're gonna go with chef Michael Patrick. Come on. I like the l A n I think, but I'm more of an idea for Cody Rhades. You know, I think, uh like fallen off flat with him at you know, from where the build up was from last year to where we're at now. I really think that him and him and Funk, you know, exploring, you know, some of
those emotions that they definitely love to play with. Uh, you know, controversies, cash and and uh, those two guys can definitely bring it. So I really think it'd be good for Cody Rhoades and his trajectory to maybe one day be, you know, a universal champion. Okay, that's very good, very good. I'm liking where you're going with that, So we're gonna toss it to you. PJ. Well, Uh, this is uh, it's a lot of question. But well it's it's it's it's you know,
to answer it, to answer well really correctly. I mean it's I don't know. I really don't know who would benefit most. I don't think. I mean, I don't think wins and losses matter as much as they used to. I would just say this, I would be careful about Putt. I like what you said with Elle Knight Rock. I think it was rock right. Yeah, I like what you said about him, but I would be very careful because if you put him out there with the gloves off
against see him punk, I think Punk eats him alive. I like Ellie Knight. I'm very but I'm also surprised that the fans have taken to them the way they have. I think there's something I don't know, There's something about him that just does not feel authentic to me. He almost at times feels like a parody or a clown of what a nineties or two thousands wrestler was, And I think to actually be in there with a guy like Punk
would expose him. That's just me, So I don't know, but I I definitely think that, you know, I don't think wins and losses matter as much as they used to. I'm more, you know, I think, to me, just putting them in the right match, regardless of wins or loses, is more important than you know, who comes out on top. But for for sure, so I think Roman reigns should be done down the line. Obviously Rains comes out on top, does not hurt Punk.
Obviously they're doing seth rawlins, which again these should all be WWE guys coming out on top. But you also can't do that to Plunk because then he loses credit. So it'll be interesting to see which road they take. Cody I do like, only because there's still unfinished business there. So that's that's my dark horse, But there's just a lot of great and again just putting them in that spot, just having another iconic wrestler to play with is great
heading into wrestleman a season. So either way you swing it, it just it's good all the way around. Like I said earlier in the broadcast, awesome. So I'm going to go with somebody who's completely off all of your radars. He is the most underutilized man who has the most ringtanwel that no one ever sees Nick Oldest. If he defeates Punk, he's automatically a main event and the guy can already wrestle at a main event caliber, and he
can cut a promo like no one's business. He's a true professional. You put him in that atmosphere where he's the one to take down Punk. It's always the authoritarian versus the anti authoritarian, the anti hero, the slacker who makes us all feel good. Well, now we've got the principal who can do it. Oh this is what thirty six. He's not over the hill. The guy is in phenomenal shape, dresses and looks like a million dollars. He is in a goofy role being a general manager. We all know
it that. Man, there's something. There's way too much food left on the table. I'm talking to two chefs here, Michael Patrick DJ, come on, there's too much. No, that's a very that's a that's a great, great, great uh vision. I did not see that. I didn't expect that, so kudos to you. But yeah, I could see that. I really could see that, and that could work because I know w W loves close storyline and that certainly could be something that could do.
That could be money, certainly for the for the shows on a week two week basis, So yeah, that that could work very well. But Mike another money match well at the a W we just got to see him. Punk and samo Joe another match that stems from the r O H Gallery is something that I would live to see as well, which is a dream match for me, and that's Punk versus AJ Styles. Oh my gosh, yes, yeh. I don't know. I don't care who comes out on top, everybody don't. I just want, honestly, I just want to clean
victory either way. I don't care who wins. Did they ever work together? And in our waste? They did? You know this was back? You know, maybe TNA when he was part of like when he was like Raven Stooge. Uh, they might have worked together. But I mean chef Michael Patrick, you have I think throwing it on that one. No, I would love to see the Aji styles saying I really think I'll be help
excellent. It will be a great way to you know, I said that that authority figure and then you know you're woven wondering, you know, what are they doing with all this going? They get him in and uh, it would be a hell of a program for that. I'm blowing away anyway. But I think any type of talent they can get in the ring with Pump, I mean, he can definitely enhance talent to a little bit, you know, and bring some of these younger guys on. Anybody that wrestles
with him. Those isn't making money, you know, and and so there's gonna be a lot of people who are gonna want some of that action. I'm just very interested to see where things go. Definitely, like tomorrow might at rawl. You know, who's gonna come out to come from him? Who's you know, who is he gonna call out? You know all things? Right? Yeah, well, you know you've got a good point who starts off raw It's supposed to be the mouthpiece, So it's gonna be Seth
Rawls and punk. That's that's gonna be quite a little back and forth bicker that we're all gonna want to watch it. Is it me? Is it me? Or Seth Rowlands. I'm sorry to interv It didn't mean too bad. I just I've been dying to say this that you want to forget? Is it me? Or? It was like Seth Rawlins almost like kind of like over like are you over him already? Like the goofiness, the whole gimmick, like he's not an interesting guy? Are you sure that you know
what I mean? This is the way? Or will just bring relevancy back to him? Or am I the only one that feels this way? You know what I mean? Doesn't some goofy to you? Yeah? The outfit to look off the top. Oh, I liked I liked him the best when he was like leading Austin things and he had the Jim Jones character. That's where I bought into him the most. And that's where they could have really went with him and elongated that for a long time until they turn him
babyface in a more ceremonious way. But this, like this would be a perfect time for Jim Jones' character was in Black Love, sitting on a throne not liking anything. You know. But you have to look at the other characters you have that weren't really created by W. W. Gunther Walter. Walter has been Walter for years and that guy is basically what he does. He is the ring general. He goes in there, he beats the snot out of you, and he leaves you in a pile. That's what he
does and that's what he's great at. And they didn't put their hands on it, they just exposed it. Now with Seth Rollins, when he was Tyler Black back in the old Roh days, he was just a great wrestler. And he is a great wrestler. I'm not taking that away from him. But you look at the Bray Wyatt match when everybody turned on him winning in the cage and how goofy it was. It's because he change his characters
so many times that you have nothing to sink your teeth into. You know, people talk about Undertaker versus the Phenom versus you know, American Badas, which was my favorite and he'll tell you it was his favorite because he actually could sell, he could actually prove he could sell. But it's funny that the Undertaker went through years upon personas, whereas Seth Rollins is going months upon personas, and they keep getting goofyer and more outlandish, and you're like,
Okay, we got Willy Wonka come into the ring. Not trying to pitch the new movie, but we got Willy Wonka coming into the ring, and just like, okay, what version of it? And he's wearing goofy boots, goofy rubber boots and dancing and he's supposed to be our babyface champion, And you're like, just get him off TV. If he's not going to wrestle, if he's not going to show me what he can do, which is what he's great at, I don't want to see him. I want
to hear him cut a promo. I don't want to see him go over on somebody that might be more talent than him. So but with that said, like I love the fact that you guys embraced Nick all this idea because I think that that would be the perfect way to get him in the program with Roman. And then elevate all just to the point where all this could be the guy wrestling. Say what now, Buddy, is there a reason he is not wrestling Nicole? Is he? Yeah? They said he was
signed. Go ahead, Michael, would you say? I was googled to see if he had an injury or anything, and I didn't see anything that would pertain to that, you know, for him not wrestling right now, so that you know, me being the second best pro wrestling podcaster in Louisville behind you know, some guy named Cornett. Cornett said a while ago that he thought he might be too old for Vince's taste, But Vince is out
of there now and they think that his brain is brilliant taste. Everybody's in their forties, yeah, and he forty six, Punk is forty forty seven. When you go up and down that list, Randy is not too much younger than me. I'm just saying that there's a lot, you know, a lot of guys in their forties over there, man. You know, isn't it weird also that now that they show the wrestlers actually having gray hair,
has anybody else noticed that I have? Of course, because I have the whitest, grayest silverst hair you've ever seen, well, you've never actually met Michael Patrick. So sorry, sorry, chef. All right, fifty one from the room. I'm right there, brother, I'm right with you. And I just turned forty eight two weeks ago. By the way, did you well, Michael Patrick, you didn't see it, but you gentlemen liked the pictures I sent you from the restaurant that I took Jennifer too,
very nice. Oh yeah, that's very cool. Yeah, I love that woman. So anyway, getting back to brass tacks and baseball bats, we have already ideas to pull somebody out of a pseudo retirement that I don't even think Nick all this is forced into. I think that that's also a work. And you would know better than anybody, PJ if if it's a work
or not. Because they said he was so talented and he bounced from the NWA to Impact and he wasn't even with Impact for a whole year to bounce a WWE, and they said he was working both for a while backstage is producing now that from what I understand, the man's a brilliant human being. As far as like making finishes and stuff, some people have said like he's he's close to a Brisco or a Pat Patterson in what he can think of.
Well, I doubt it too, you know. And the reason I say that, and the reason I got to say hold on to all of this is very simple. The reason those guys were so great and the reason a lot of the old WWE guys in the nineties, guys I should say we're so great isn't because they're so special. But we had the reps. You know, from ninety forty ninety seven, I wrestled two hundred nights a year every year, ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven.
You know, you were you were, You got your reps in And I just don't think Nicoldis was ever in a company where you had those kind of reps. And I think having reps really don't know something to you as far as just knowledge and being able to understand situational wrestling just like football or whatever, you know what I mean. The more you play, the more you see things, the more you watch film, et cetera. And that's what wrestling was for me. On the road in the nineties was like you're
working literally every day. You're in a different town every day. You're talking wrestling every day, hundreds of days, you know what I mean a year. And I just don't think he has those reps because he never because he doesn't want to. I just don't think he had the opportunity to because it's much different when you wrestle eight times a month to two hundred times a month or No, that doesn't make sense, but you know what I mean,
I should say Jesus Christ. Yeah that was a Scott Steiner math. But what I said full time wrestling, I just mean full time wrestling, like wrestling all the time. Wow. That was really horrible myself. Yeah, and something just can't to mind right now, we say somebody that can really benefit from a went over Punk to catapult him into that title picture as well. And for me, that's Sami say, you have him right on the cusp of, you know, saying that he's the contender. He wants to
prove that he's a championship contender. I went over Punk would definitely solidify him in that, you know, in that section, and and we're off to the races with him, hopefully we finally get that semi title winning twenty twenty four, you know, along the way if Punk's not the guy to face Saith at Rumble, which would be the earliest because there's no pod in December, then you could strink this out along, especially if Punk's not going to
be on TV every week, you could strink this along. And I mean Punk's ever won the Rumble. I'm just saying he could win the Rumble and chatting Seth if they want to keep the title on Seth ti Mania, which would be I mean, I don't know if they're gonna put the belt on Punk. I wouldn't see that. But that's just another scenario. I know people are going to be shooting out of their fantasy bookings. That would be a second one for me if it's not at the Rumble and other guys that
he could work with, you know off the bat. You know, you got McIntyre, you got Kevin Owens, like I just mentioned Sammy's and there's a lot of you know, indie stars there that came up, you know, through the ranks of r OH and you know, just like punked it. So we'll know a lot after all tomorrow because they yes, they did. They put him in a bucket of ice water. I mean, going from working with Steven Stone called Steve Austin to then work with nobody. It's
like, what the hell just happened? You know? I think we'll have a clear picture, at least for the foreseeable future, what Punk's direction is going to be after you know, his promo tomorrow. We should have at least something a lot more meat on this bone because right now everything speculation, because the world is buzzing with it with all speculation. So I'm gonna shoot this one out to the chefs real quick. Rock Yeah, check this out,
guys. How about this storyline? The All Elite Wrestling was started by the Bullet Club. The two original leaders of the Bullet Club are in WWE. How about Punk starts dismantling anybody who's been part of Bullet Club. So it goes after Finn first, Then he goes after Aj, he goes after the Good Brothers and anybody who's ever associated with it. That's how you keep them cool to build up for a bigger crescendo. But it's everybody knows.
Anybody who's a smart fan knows why he's going after him. And when he beats them and they're actual matches, I mean, I can imagine Punk and Finn having a great match as well as Punk and AJ having great matches, and you know, or I mean, I can see a whole different dynamic to this. But make it inside trading, so to speak, like throwing a lot of smart remarks in there, like this is for your friends. Your friends cost you this, this kind of thing. What do you guys
think about that? Chefs got a lot of backstage attacks, but you know, keep him active but not in the ring. Yeah, I like that. I mean, you know, when it comes to a fantasy book, and I mean, it can go anywhere. I mean, you know, maybe the subtle hints, yeah, you know, like, yeah, this is because of your friends. I'm here, I'm doing this, you know, Like I said, I you know, I think that they got a
catching in a bottle where they got him there. I mean, they might as well insert them in wherever they can to create as much house show movement, sold out arenas. I mean, you know, and maybe the uh, the small little uh vignettes and promos will be great and all, but he definitely needs to have some action and fairly quake just to get the fans going again. You know, he loved to be in pretty good shape yesterday, even know he had that T shirt on. But I mean, I
am I'm okay with that. You know. One of the things I think about, Not to throw your topic off, but I think about Sally Arabia show. You know, Train's right, Phil, You know he works for a company now that you know, works three four shows a year in Saudi Arabia. You know, would you go to that? But I'm down with anything that they want to do with that man. Actually, you know, I mean it excites me to see him back and I'm twenty five again. It was awesome. Man. So our other chef, mister Peter, what
was the question again, I'm sorry you lost me. Well, how do you feel about punk coming in as a storyline starts hunting? Yeah? I don't know, man, I think I think right now, I think good old Pepsi Fish is going to be doing very limited stuff. I honestly believe they're going to maximize his his minutes in ways of like, you know, I'm sure he's going to have, you know, like ex appearances on this
one, appearances on that one. He's not going to be on every show, I think, to kind of keep that special feeling alive because as we all know it could you know, you could ruin that very quickly. So I think really into until WrestleMania, or realistically until Royal Rubble, we won't know where any of this is going. I think Seth is done with by Royal Rumble, and I think the big match has got to be has got to be. Uh. I would imagine in Roman Reigns, right, that
would be everybody's thought. I don't know who or loses in that because you know, obviously Punk it the guy to you know what, I mean to be stabilized and be thrown Roman Reigns. But at the end of the day, who is I don't know. So there's just a lot of amazing potential here you can go and there. You can go three or four different ways, and none of them would be wrong. It would just be uh, you know, your taste or your you know, sort of like you know,
preference. But it's just right now, is just really saying, I think we're all what I what I'm getting out of all this. We're just all excited because you know, he's a generational talent. Guys like this, they're not coming around all the time. He's one of the guys that was from that era that has really been untouched. AEW did a horrific job with him and just shows how bad that locker room is. If you can't put your if you can't control that situation, dude, you have a bunch of
children over there. I mean, I've heard horror stories from Jerry Lynn and others saying that it's just possible that these kids just don't want to listen. Tony Kahan does not know how to run a locker room, does not know how to run a wrestling company. And it's a shame because I'm a huge fan of what AEW can be what it was in the beginning, and I still think they can do wonderful things, but just not the way they're doing it. I think they really need to. But anyways, but that's neither
here nor there. But yeah, I think going forward that this is just going to be blockbuster business for WWE from now till WrestleMania. Do just just open up the check books, you know, because what AEW could have done, WWE will do and that's make money. You know. I could even fantasy book this a little bit further. Okay, guys, tell me what we think of this? Was it Frankie Kazarian who was the Bull Club Hunter.
I would bring him in to back up Punk and they just like say he was the hunter of a certain elite group because you can't trademark elite, so you know, and he would be like Punk's backup guy. And so you've got You're not really a faction, but you've got your you know, your two man, Okay, I got your back kind of guy, and I think that would be great to eventually lead to Punk can't win. The
Rumble argues to all this. They finally have the match, and all this comes out of retirement, says, you know, I wasn't ready to retire anyway, and you you know, and get one over like on Triple h Like, yeah, you saw my contract. You didn't read the fine print. I've got the best lawyers in the world. We now have some really primetime playing wrestlers. All this is fantastic. Cody can be fantastic, but he's overexposed and that's killing him. Orton's coming back, but Randy's old.
I said that years ago. Randy is hurt. Even if he's coming back after two years, you got to limit what you can do with Randy at this point. I love the guy, but you got to limit what you're doing with Randy. But he's still a primetime player. We went from nobody being able to challenge Roman too all of a sudden, We've got a handful of players plus bron Breakers going to come up. And I mean, I'm sure he's going to be repackaged because you can't have a bronze Stroman and a
bron Breaker. I mean it's kind of like having two bald guys wearing jorts right right justin you know, so so you know, hopefully he becomes Steiner, but the point is there. And Walter Gunther, whatever you want to call him, it's probably the air of the throw. If nobody sees that there's money printed all over that guy, you are backwards. Plus l A. Knight is hot, we might be on the verge of a whole new boom in WWE history. Yeah, we have characters. We actually have the
characters for a change. Now would be the time, I mean, set is thirty seven, Roman's thirty eight. You got La Knight in his forties like just so earlier. And I think I also hurt this els. I think Matt said it, most of your prime time players are in their forties. Yeah, so you know that, Yeah, exactly, guys are resting further into their into their later ages. And don't forget too, you always have guys that can make surprise appearances like Rock Lesnar, like a John Cena,
you know, like, who's the other guy that just recently? Oh my god, what is just somebody else we just recently? Goldberg? Oh never please never. Glenn Jacobs Kane could always show up, you know, I mean, you know, you never know when Nick Foley could just be backstage and put a mandle a claw on somebody. Ron Simmons who messed with Ron Simmons even now. You got to be illegally really special to mess with
Ron Simmons even now. Uh so, you know you you look at like there's a lot of potential Rock. You're not telling me Rock getting one more match before it's all said done. Of course he is Rock Rock and see him too. Rock's gonna have one more match before it's all said done. There's no there's just no reason for rock and punk. You know well that that punk would never resign a contract without having the caveat of I have to
headline WrestleMania. That's why he quit partly m So, no matter what it is, no matter what match it is, that has to be part of that contract somewhere in there. I don't know, not that he you know what I mean, They don't do a lot of that ship believe it or not. But you know, I can still but I can still see for sure. Well, Punk has had a few wins at Wresmania. Two of them were the money in the bank. He did have a title defense against
Jericho at Wrestum in twenty eight. But I look the other three singles matches, they were all lost. Is one to the Taker, one to Orton, and one to read Mysterial. So if he's going to headline Mania, I will think he negotiated himself for a win there. But like I said, there's so much speculation at the moment. We'll just we'll see where it plays out. What do you think, Chef man I I just like I said, if you put him in with anybody, I'm happy to watch it.
I just uh, there can there can be so many different directions I can go with it, I said. Him being older, you know, I don't know if they'll use him much it comes to wrestle Mania. I mean yet, you know, I mean it's been what he left what nine ten years ago? Yeah, he's different, Tvas is different. He's in a different role. He's not worried about Punk taking his slide. I mean, I'd love to see him headline of Mania, Don't get me wrong. I mean it's part of the story. You know that never happened, so
I would love to see it. I just don't know with who. You know, maybe it is a Roman thing, and of course he wouldn't win, But then we're back to you know, he gets the headline one, but maybe doesn't win it. You know. Well, I just gonna say that last night the landscape changed. Oh it did it? Sure did? I mean just hearing that music at the end, it just I don't know which is chills, goosebumps. I popped there, you know, it's weakness.
Rackete's like, who's this? And I gave her a little brief history who he was, and you know, I don't know, it's a big deal. You're right, the landscape has changed. And what a great way to do it though too, because nobody expected it. It didn't really impede on anyone's match. It really had no It didn't have any outcome other than he's here. Tune in Monday, now, you know, being realistically, they didn't. They didn't put over anything other than he's here. Let's see
what happens on Monday. And I think that's great. I think that's great, and I think, you know, like I think we've all agreed that sky's the limit, and you know, business is about to pick up, and it will and I'm very excited. It's gonna be a great time and it's gonna be a great time for us. My Michael going to WrestleMania forty in Philadelphia, which hopefully, hopefully I'm still hoping and having my fingers crossed.
We are in the land of a extream and maybe we can get some Hall of Fame ideas coming, uh, you know with the ECW crew down there, because there have been some roblads so wetty busy that weekend. Well you know, I don't we don't always let the cat out of the bag, but now yeah, So then for WrestleMania, I will be heading to Philadelphia and I will be there with mister p J. Piloco, just incredible, one of our Wrestle Magic hosts who is here and uh, yes,
we're actually gonna spend a weekend together. God forbid, We're gonna We're gonna spend a weekend together. We're gonna have a lot of fun, and it's gonna be a wrestling excursion. It will be documented for Wrestle Magic and the WWE podcast dot com listeners and a lot of you are going to get texts and messages one way or another. But it's very much a thing that, yes, we've actually committed to. So there you go, folks, you let it out. Well, I mean, honestly, and let's let's be
honest. Honestly. PJ approached me with this, and it's very it's it means a lot to me. It means a lot to me. And you've been such an amazing friend, you know, and so has Wrestled Magic as well, been great, but Michael and you especially have been such a wonderful
friend. It's something I wanted you to share with me, and I think we've have a lot of fun together, and you know, I'm grateful that that you're going to be there with me and Michael, we'll have to get you that upgrade that is twenty four for your yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm gonna get there for anybody. Jennifer's talking about too. She wants she wants upgrade too, but she's she has a twenty three. So I don't know, you just you know, but I love that little firecracker,
all right. So PJ, why don't you tell them about what you got going on this weekend on Fight TV? Uh? Yeah, just uh this weekend in Hartford, December the second, Hartford, Connecticut, I will be wrestling, well not wrestling, but making an appearance for GCW Game Change of Wrestling, and you can check it out live on Fight TV at eight pm December second. So check that out and it will be the start of
something pretty good for me in GCW. I can't say too much more, but uh, you know, just incredible is making a comeback, that's for sure. That's awesome. And also tell them how to reach you on social media and any other ways. Yes, of course follow me both on Twitter and on Instagram at PJ Palaco. And of course you you'd like one of my mini pro wrestling t shirts, go on over to Pro Wrestling Teas dot com. So it's justin Hurdle awesome. Chef Michael Patrick. Go ahead and
pimp yourself out, brot man. I'm one of the best chefs in the Tri State area. Heck, maybe even in the country. Lifetime wrestling fan. I'm now the executive chef partner of the Capitol Grill, but a former restaurant owner for twelve years. Lifetime wrestling felix. I can still remember this day sitting with my grandma watching Uh Buddy Rogers and her putting her putting people in the headlocks. Yeah it was. It was a long time ago, man, And just if you ever remember Tennessee, look me up. Capitol
Grill. Can't go wrong. Best takes, and who knows, maybe I'll get out there one day and open a restaurant again. Get a little restless, you know, I think just can tell you I'm at a certain age. You know, I'm fifty one, Like, what's the exit plan? You know, I've been cooking a whole lot. I don't know what the exit plan is, but I got to figure something out because I can't do this the rest of my life. Well. Also, tell people how to reach you on Twitter or how to you know, if they want to talk
wrestling with you. Instagram? Is me right now at b Michael Patrick and Twitter is be real and Patrick love to see and listen and talk to any of y'all'd look, we'd love to have you again as a guest. By the way, Michael Patrick chef and one day maybe you and Justin and I can do a show on cooking sod. All right, rock Star go ahead. You know, I think I mentioned to you last time we recorded it. We should really get our handles out at the beginning of the show in
case the listeners are not doing into the end. But anybody listening Rocky clubs ers or seven on the X on the Twitter that's for my dedicated page for all things wrestling. Haven't really been too much. I've been do you diving into the holiday schedule at T Mobile. And I'm also back on track to get in my business degree, which T Mobile is paying for very handsomely. Might I add, so I actually have homework right after we get off with his phone this skype call. But uh, you know, I'm glad you
guys were able. I'm glad all of us were able to get together. Like I said, we're in three different time zones with the podcast this evening, so I'm glad we were able to lock it down and get it, especially with something that happened as big as a punk return and get in this episode out before before raw, so you know, until next time. All right, let me close, let me close it out, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Michael Gross. I'm the captain at one four to four,
captain on Twitter or x whatever you want to call it. I've had a blast talking to my co host, Rocky, my permanent co host, my good friend PJ Piloco, you know him is just incredible and an old friend of mine who I've known both longer than the eithers and that is going to be chef Michael Patrick. It's been a pleasure, it's been an honor everybody. Thank you for seeing me return this Survivors series last night. It was it was pretty awesome. But when it comes down to it, I've
had a blast talking to you guys. I'm glad that we could talk. I'm glad that we could fantasy book and we could spitball things. But in the end, I think all of us were older statesmen. We need our sleep. So ladies and gentlemen, good night, good night, guys, Thanks for coming up, good night, Thanks for listening to the WWE podcast. Don't forget to subscribe on your favorite podcast app so you don't miss a show, or head to WWE podcast dot com and for all of these shows
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