*Throwback* Current State of WWE: Latest on Vince McMahon & Brock Lesnar's Return

back to your insanity. And so let's talk about Vince McMahon because right now, I mean, he seems to be, at least for the moment, the most talked about thing in the world of wrestling, and we all know the story,

at least what we can know at this point. There was an investigation, There is an ongoing investigation with Vince McMahon, and the board has put a committe together to essentially investigate a three million dollars settlement, an alleged three million dollars settlement from Vince McMahon to kind of a hush hush type of deal with former employees. I guess one of them or both of them, or I don't know.

One of them at least was a paralegal in the organization that is no longer in the organization, and they're looking into alleged misconduct with that money and if it's found that he's guilty. You know, we'll have to see, but right now, Vince McMahon, Vince McMahon has stepped aside, not stepped down. I guess that was a distinction, as Stephanie steps in his introm ceo. Let me let me stop there. What do you make of this whole thing?

mister McMahon. But then when a report like this comes out, it really kind of makes you think, like damn, Like, was he almost trying to live you know, his real life on television in a way, And was mister McMahon always just like an amplified version of Vince McMahon, And like, look, I read as much as probably you did, but like, just just before I go any further, the report, the early reports is that they were consensual relationships correct.

question the person. But at the same time, there's a part of me that says, like, my god, like, I guess we always kind of knew this, and this's just kind of confirms what we always knew that the Vince McMahon person wasn't completely far off from the mister McMahon character. And I guess all that I could kind of say, if to kind of find some kind of silver lining in this, is that at least they.

most powerful men in the country. You know, I can't imagine that did the age come out of the women that No, I don't think so well either way, I can imagine that a still a working woman that you would have to assume is somewhere in the range of twenty to fifty years old, would be really you know excited to you know, start doing you know, sexual things with the guy in his early seventies.

that this is all true. And you know, again there is no conclusion on this yet. They are still doing their investigations. So I mean, I guess we'll go with the presumption that he's guilty of this. I mean, that's the only way to do this. Otherwise we have nothing to talk about. But if he's indeed guilty of this, I mean, the thing is, even if he used private funds like okay, say it was proven he did make this payment, but the payment was made from his own money,

it was not from Stair stockholders shareholders money. I think that only makes it a little better from the perspective of the shareholders saying, Okay, he wasn't misusing appropriate appropriating our funds, but he's still kind of a scumbag that is cheating on his wife and paid the woman to be quiet about it. Now, he wouldn't be the first

nor the last millionaire or billionaire to do this. It's probably way more common than people realize, especially in the world of sports, with things like this that we don't don't even know exist until they come up. So Vince would not be unique in that way. But it is given that Vince McMahon has you know, it's taken this long for something that does to happen, and you know, I'm gonna still say there's a small sliver that it's not true, but I'm gonna lean on the side of

yet probably did happen. And if it comes out that he actually did this with funds from that were like publicly traded, which I think would be really bad. I mean that that would make this worse for him. But if that indeed is the case, then I think Vince McMahon may have no option, no alternative, but to permanently step down as CEO and maybe leave the company all together. That I mean, do you think that's even a possibility? A guy that once defeated God in a tag team

match has an opportunity. I mean, do you think that's even possible. Say the worst case scenario for Vince comes comes to pass and it's found that he is guilty, do you think that'll actually leave the company?

nights ago. But I feel like when you're a publicly traded company and so many billions of dollars are at play, and there's so many people with their hands in the pot, and we're living in as such a fragile climate as we are today, where cancel culture is a real thing, and I'm not referring to that. This would be like a victim of cancel culture. If they do come out to be true these accusations, I think that they would be completely justified for people to be completely upset about them.

But it feels as though, especially when you take into Aunt, his daughter coming in as the interim CEO and chairwoman, and how much of a philanthropist she tries to present herself as, I feel like this would be something that he would.

just seems to be tarnishing his legacy. And you know, we talked about his appearance at WrestleMania, how he botched the stunner, how he looks now, the way he kind of acts awkwardly like. And this is aside from the real life stuff that's going on. From an ons screen perspective, I can't speak for you, but I just feel like he's absolutely tarnishing his legacy as a great arguably greatest heal of all time as far as on screen characters go.

But now you couple in what's going on behind the scenes and now is coming out publicly in real life matters, and how big of a company WWE is and how many big how much money is at play here, it seems like something that Vince McMahon will not be able to evade, especially when you consider that a guy like Nick con has gotten involved recently and it is a publicly traded company. I feel like this may be a storm that he can't avoid this time around.

perspective now. It's also interesting to note that Stephanie McMahon and I brought this up, and others have two as well. I'm not a genius that thought of this, but Stephanie McMahon stepped kind of aside from WWE a number of months ago, you know, just prior to that this news coming out, and before I mean since essentially the womb she was in WWE day to day, involved in the

decisions involved in whatever. I mean. She she actually was selling T shirts early early on in her childhood and made her way all the way all the way up to the chief brand officer whatever. And the thing is, is it a little bit suspicious that she maybe you know, kind of saw the writing on the wall. She knew

it was coming down the line. She probably knew ahead of time that there was there's something going on with her dad, and she heard rumblings of this coming out, and she smartly decided a couple of months ago to step aside from WWE and do kind of her own thing and distance herself. And then all of a sudden, these allegations come out and she's like, oh, well, wow, this is shocking. Yeah, I didn't know any of this

was going on. I mean, maybe from its kind of self preservation on her part, or it just could be dumb luck. I don't know which one it is, but it is just very suspicious timing where she decided the moment probably she found out to distance herself, and then when the news actually broke, she has some kind of soft landing to say, well, I mean, I left a couple of months ago to do my own thing. I don't know what's going on here. I mean, you know,

who knows. But do you think that Stephanie knew something ahead of time and kind of made the smart move to get away from the company and distance herself, so that when the news broke, she wasn't associated in any way with this.

Maybe it wasn't like solely because of this, but maybe it was like she wanted a few weeks away or she wanted some time away, and they then she found out that this was maybe coming down the pike, and she said, okay, well now maybe is no better time

than now. And I mean just for someone like Stephanie McMahon, who has been so gung ho about distancing herself from the wrestling aspect of the company, you know, a self proclaimed philanthropist, all these like how would you say relationships with these companies or these foundations like Connor's Cure and the Susan G. Coman Foundation, Like I just feel like this would be the where this is rather the worst

possible scenario for someone like Stephanie McMahon. But I guess I'll just flip it into a question back to you. Do you think that her becoming chairwoman and CEO was something that she knew was going to come at the end of the tunnel here? Or do you think that maybe the board of directors just picked her because they truly felt that she was the best person for the job.

to the shareholders and stockholders. If it was somebody they never heard of that is suddenly the CEO of the organization, people are maybe scrambling, have some doubts, some concerns, and some of their stock I think it's it is something that they thought of ahead of time. Even if this wasn't the case with a scandal, if Vince were to literally die in his sleep or something that they have to have a succession plan, and I think Stephanie was

that succession plan and is that succession plan. And it is smart from the perspective of stability as a whole to the public eye. So you know, do I think this is going to be permanent? I mean, time will tell. Vince is still involved in the creative, which doesn't surprise me. He's stepping aside, but he's not really stepping away from his work, is what. It sounds like. He's still kind of the man, even without the title of being CEO

and him coming out on smack Down. I just want to say, like, I really thought that was like I understand why he did it. I understand why he did it because it was to send a message to everybody watching that he isn't going anywhere. He's not shying away from this and emphasizing the word together as if we're supposed to just back him on everything. I think that's

what the message was. And he didn't say much of it anything, which really pissed me off because it was very to me, very kind of narcissistic on his part to just do that. I'm like, dude, you should just go back and take care of business. You don't need to come out here for your own ego to send a message like we know who you are, we know what kind of person you are. Go back and take care of business. You don't need to come out and do this public stunt. That is literally you've said nothing.

People were just like, what the hell is that? I was sitting there, I'm like, that's it. He literally repeated the signature video package at the start of the show, like that's it. He repeated like four words. I did not like that at all. I understand why he did it, but I think it was left a lot of people like,

what was the exact point of this? Vince? You took up a small amount of time to do what to to pop a rating because you knew that, Oh my god, he's there's a scandal going on, he's gonnappear on smack Down. What the hell is he gonna say? You know? And we got literally nothing.

other reasoning for him appearing. And I feel like the last few times that Vince has come out, save for what he did lately with Austin theory, but like when it's announced, like, oh, Vince McMahon is gonna be on SmackDown, he comes out and he says nothing.

there's no other way to put it. It's just sad to watch him try and be what he used to be. And I feel like, in a lot of ways, that's the way it is in real life too, that he still tries to be that genius that create genius and this over the top powerful guy in real life, that he makes these bonehead decisions to like book himself, to open SmackDown, to quite literally say nothing and just come off as an egotistical narcissist.

don't know when to let go. I think Vince also has that sickness, and I understand it, Like, even though I'm not I don't have the size of the ego the size of Vince mc mann, I do understand it on some left, like when you love something so much and this is your baby and you've created it, and you have been successful in the past, as you and I said, arguably one of the best heals in the organ in the entire industry ever, and he wasn't even

a real wrestler. So to let go of that and not appear on screen, I'm sure to him is hard to let go of. But I think also he recognizes. I do still think he has some self awareness to realize that he can't speak long form much more anymore because he mumbles, Like you really have to listen to what Vince is saying. He just kind of like mumbles a bunch of words together, and it's like Grandpa, like

can you can you slow down? It feels like he just at this point should be kind of in a rocking chair playing with his grandchildren, like you know when I was your age, palll you know, I used to be you know, like that kind of stuff, Like you shouldn't be running an organization at this age. I mean, you just shouldn't be. That's all. It's time. We all need to move on. There needs to be a succession plan in place, and maybe he is forced out with

this whole scenario. So do I think he's hardishing his legacy?

I mean, beyond the scandal, which you will hear about the results of that maybe in the coming weeks or months, you know, certainly, Yeah, I mean because for a long time now, especially with the Austin theory thing, which really put it over the top for me, of him just for whatever reason, sitting in an office talking about golden eggs, mumbling to Austin theory, em masculating a talent you're supposed to be elevating all that kind of stuff made no sense to me. And also he was not coherent. I

cannot hear what you're saying, Vince. So yeah, I'm on top of the bone headed creative decisions. It's just his mental faculties are wearing, as we all will when we get to that age, and he just unless something forces him out like this and there's public outcry from stockholders and shareholders, I do not believe that he will leave the organization unless there is like almost unanimous, unanimous movement to get him out. So well, I heard that.

Do you think Stephanie McMahon becoming the CEO and chairwoman and delegating a lot of the creative decisions to Paul Haman and presumably Triple H would be a good thing for the company.

He's not a young guy. But at least in the next ten to fifteen years, could Paul Hammond be a guy that you could rely on. Absolutely, he's proven. He's one of the best problems on the ever in the industry ever barn on any generation I put him up against. He's a guy that had built as ECW. He's a guy that actually created Stone Cold. Steve auser at least created the environment to help facilitate Stone Cold to become Stone Cold. You know. So yeah, I mean I think

that would be fine. Why not? I mean, they're both proven. Why go with somebody that you don't know. Now, some people may say, well, it's even with Vince gone, it's kind of the same thing, like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Stephanie's a chip off the old block, whatever analogy you want to use. And there are some realities to that. I mean, just because Vince is gone, some people think that, you know, all will be well,

it'll be a totally fresh new product. I even if that were the case, where Paul Hammond and Triple h each run raw or small her both or whatever, and Stephanie's the CEO and Vince's gone and the evil Vince McMahon is sitting at home, I still don't think we're gonna see a massive change in WWE because you still have a McMahon in charge. You still have everybody that Vince McMahon hired in creative there, presumably everybody that is in the production team and in helping create the product

that it is today. You still have all those people there that are all in the same positions. There are no new minds unless you literally clean house and start fresh, which they won't do because it's not a smart move. If you're a publicly traded company. There's a lot of restrictions and things you need to consider when you're a publicly traded organization. So I don't think with Vince gone

that things are just gonna bam magically change. Now. You may see small things here and there, but I think largely it'll be run mostly the same that Vince has run it because Stephanie learned under Vince McMahon. She was his daughter, for God's sakes, and she is got Vince McMahon's blood literally running through her veins, so she's not a carbon copy. But I think largely things won't change. And I hate to say that for people that want to see a massive change in WW.

But then there's the other aspect about this, and the one guy who's kind of becoming the X factor in WWE is Nick Kahn, Like I know that Stephanie McMahon has assumed the role of chairwoman and CEO, and is it technically a higher position than Nick conn who he's the president if I'm not mistaken, And I'm just wondering here that since he joined WWE and replaced I believe her name was Michelle Wilson and George Barrios, I think for their names, he has kind of just been like

taking like a machete to the complete organizational structure here. And I think that like in a weird way, like well, I don't think it's more I'm just like thinking out loud here, rather is like, is he kind of trying to clean up WWE and fix it for the way that maybe the shareholders and the border directors want to take this company into the future. Do you think that Nick Cohn is kind of a big X factor for the company moving forward?

it's the week after WrestleMania. I think it's like they call it like Black Thursday, Black Wednesday, whatever it is that week following WrestleMania, where there's typically layoffs. There were mass amounts of layoffs the last couple of years and throughout the year, not just one particular time, and not just wrestlers either, like production, travel staff for obvious reasons.

You know. So the guys already had a massive impact on WWE from a personnel perspective, and I'm sure the organizational chart if you looked at it, with the few hundred people they have working there, looks much different now than it did a couple of years ago prior to nickcn coming in. So he's already had a massive impact. Now.

I don't know what their plans are moving forward, Like you said, maybe Stephanie McMahon decides, hey, this would be really cool on the first woman chairwoman of WWE, you know that kind of thing, and you know she may use that for kind of like women's empowerment or whatever the hell she wants to do. I don't know, but if she doesn't, then perhaps she's just gonna get the organization ready for a sale. Now I know that this has been discussed for six to twelve months now oft

they're going to sell it to Disney. Well, while they didn't, at least up until this point with Vince gone, maybe he was the one roadblock that Disney could not get to say yes, and they obviously need his blessing. Vince out of the way. Stephanie really doesn't want to run the place. She's more interested in doing her own business ventures. Why not make a few billion, sell the company to Disney, get it, or at least prepare it, sell it to Disney, and then be on her merry way and it let

Disney run the organization. I mean, I'm not saying that's gonna happen. I'm not saying that I've heard that's gonna happen. But it's in terms of the information I have at this point, doesn't seem out of the relevant impossibility.

it is Vince McMahon. And like, look, they've already sold the ww network to Peacock ak NBC Universal, so it would stand a reason that maybe they'll sell the entire company to a company like Disney. And you know how like because let's be honest here, like, do you think that Stephanie McMahon definitely not Shane McMahon. He hasn't been involved in any major way on the business side for

about twelve years now, if not longer. It doesn't seem to me like Stephanie McMahon is chomping at the bit to you know, be her father's successor and carry on the McMahon legacy as you know wrestling promoters. Hell, her father won't even say the word wrestling. They invented the term sports entertainment out of thin air, and Stephanie McMahon has really taken that ball and completely run with it, So I would think that maybe that's where this is going to trend. And Nick conn kind of seems a

guy who has kind of spearheaded that. You know, You've also heard some rumors that maybe The Rock would buy it because he has a long standing relationship with Nick Con that I don't think anyone knew until the Rock

social media post. But I mean, I guess before we move on to the Brock and Roman thing, the last question I would kind of ask you is that do you think that once Vince McMahon isn't in power anymore, whether that be that he survives this and eventually dies or he is forced out because of the scandal, do you think the McMahons will move forward as massive parts of WWE and by McMahons.

that point they could make whatever decisions they want. From a management perspective, I do believe again, like you said, with Shane, Shane's a guy that I would love to know the inner workings of the like the relationship with Shane and Vince and and the backstage stuff that's going on with Shane, because he seems to be in out and out. Things seem good up now they're bad. He's back to doing whatever, making shoes in China. I don't

know his whatever he's doing. And so the Shane thing, like you said, that's out, Like Shane clearly isn't a good fit or doesn't want to be a part of WWWE.

From that perspective, Stephanie is a wild card. Maybe she is interested in doing this, and she does have a little bit of the evil geniusness inside of her that you know, her dad certainly instilled, and I think that there's a possibility that maybe she actually does want to and this is kind of just her evil plan being hatched, where not that she set up her dad, but maybe again distancing herself, setting herself up for that role so that knowing she's in that next line of defense, that

next person in line of Vince Wertz's have to step aside like he just did. Then she knew that if I'm involved, well, I can't be involved with a scandal going on. How did I not know? So let mean distance myself and in two months they're gonna call me to be introim CEO, and then they're gonna find that Vince is guilty and I'm the permanent CEO. I mean, like, it's possible she thought that far ahead. I wouldn't put

it past her. She's a smart woman. I mean, you can't get to that level and do what she's done if she wasn't. So there's that possibility. So long answer, I think, yeah, I think that there will be a McMahon in charge when the smoke settles from this this scandal. Even if Vince's found guilty, he's thrown out, people go crazy. The headlines below up Vince McMahon out of debt, to be whatever, which will be a lot of fun to

talk about. But I still, at the end of the day think the last name of the person running the company will be McMahon.

actually be the CEO. I don't think Shane has any interest based on just the last twenty years of his in and outs and the things we've heard. But if Stephanie's not interested, then then all bets are off. I think maybe Paul Avec triple h could be the guy to actually take it over at or hell, maybe Nick con I mean the he could I mean Nick con or triple H. I don't know who else could possibly step in if Stephanie's I'm interested.

it isn't, but I think it is very interesting. It's fascinating of the relationship between Vince and Shane, because your right, Shane is a very popular, if not the most popular from a crowd perspective. McMahon. Yeah, his punches and he doesn't wrestle the best, and yeah, I've heard all the criticisms and I understand that's some degree, But Shane McMahon, you know, puts one hundred and ten percent in even

if he doesn't wrestle the best quote unquote. I think that Shane could if he was interested, he could run the company. But I don't know if whoever's in charge at the very top would want him as the CEO. Again, a bridge will cross when we get there. But let's dive in to brock Lesner and his return. So, Anthony, were you surprised and are you? Do you like this? Like? What do you think about all this?

he's a very underrated worker. I'm not as big of a fan of Cowboy Brock as I am as classic Brock.

we're doing this again again. We're doing Brock and Roman again, and it doesn't make sense this time around because the last two times that they competed one on one, Roman won he beat him in Saudi Arabia last October, and he beat him at WrestleMania, and I believe at WrestleMania was clean.

we're seeing this again. I think that they're going back to the well with how they start programs with Roman way too much like that he beats someone, he's about to walk off and then someone's music hits and just comes in gets in his face. You know, we saw that with what was it when he beat bray Masterio edged it that when he beat Edge, John Cena did that. When he beat John Cena, Brock did that. Now when he beat Riddle, brocked.

since wrestling, to me is inexcusable. Not like not even out of pay per view, it was just on a SmackDown, which we talked about last week, solidified that even though we didn't we wouldn't think that Riddle would have a shot even if it was at a pay per view, the fact that it was on SmackDown, we knew for a fact that it meant Riddle was not winning. And I just think everything together has just made this very underwhelming and it's just a WWE going back to the

well one too many times. I understood why they did it last year in Saudi Arabia because they wanted to get presented in a different way with Roman as the heel and Brock.

Roman Rangs for that? We're gonna start crapping on John Cena for that or everybody else that's done that and made that path the Rock. You're telling me we're gonna boo the Rock if he comes back and say, oh, you're part time, get out of here. Like the fans, I understand get frustrated at a certain point, but the problem with Roman is he is He's champion, and the really iron ironic part of this whole thing is that wwe merge these belts together, so Roman has a whole

new set of opponents to work with. He can work with the entire roster and show up on raw more and SmackDown. Yet he's done, actually less of both. Like he's done. They've they've actually done the worst possible thing you could do with this, uh this scenario and take the guy that won the belts, take the belts and take everything and just put it into hibernation and it just goes away Like that's the Like, that's the worst possible scenario. No, I understand he's working on states and

Roman's getting paid a lot of money. Great for him, seriously happy for him. He's at the point in his career where he can work less and make the same good for him. That's what I would want to But the problem is now you are you are sacrificing other opportunities for other people who could be holding one of those belts or both if they still want to keep it unified by what for? What to hold it for? For brock Lester and a challenge again that we know

he's going to lose for the fourteenth time. You know, when they could have easily had a rematch with Riddle. Now I understand the stipulation was, oh Riddle couldn't challenge Rome again. There's a billion ways around that, you know. I think that that would have been a much more fun match with Riddle, only because they've they've gotten a lot of momentum behind him. People organically like Riddle, and they would have had I think a better quality match,

especially what we saw on smack Down. They have really good match, a lot of really believable near falls, i e. The RKO that was or the spear that was reversed into an RKO, Like there was a moment I'm like, oh crap, like he could actually win it here and everyone else saught the same thing, you know, and Riddle is amazing in the ring. They could have built that into the main event of Money in the Bank at

the MGM in Las Vegas. But the problem is, again I think this comes straight from Vince McMahon, is that he wants the biggest main event possible and he thinks that bringing Brock back is a bigger main event. Now in one respect it is, but At the same time, you've got this rising star and a star that's more believable to beat Roman than a guy that just got beat by Roman like eighteen times to come back that you know isn't going to beat Brock or beat Roman.

He has zero chance. I don't think Brock has any chance to beat Roman at Money in the Bank versus Riddle, who you can make an argument, Hey, he's an up becoming star. That's what you want to do with the person that beats Roman is have a guy that's on the rise, has a momentum behind him, he's young, check check check. Riddle has a okay chance that you can make an argument. Brock has zero chance of beating Roman, And so you take that element of surprise away from it.

And I think he brought back Brock earlier than maybe he wanted, especially if Randy Orton truly is out for the next you know, I don't know how long, apparently till the end of the year. I've heard a lot of different things, but I don't know if this is gonna be the end of it with Brock and Roman. I mean, they got SummerSlam next. What are they gonna do? Just have Brock Lezer go away and then I don't think so. I think I think we could see like part seven of this, of this matchup with Brock and

Roman at SummerSlam. Like I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but Brock isn't back just for this kind of b pay per view. I think he's back through Summer Slam, and it could be Roman reigns for both both times.

that these champions were just gonna go into hibernation. And look, again, maybe I'm talking about both sides out of my mouth, because when Brock was Universal Champion on Monday Night Raw back in twenty seventeen or whatever it was, I didn't mind.

you know, akin to what happened seven years ago. But I mean, I'm not giving WWE that much credit, especially with the way that they've booked Seth in terms of wins and losses over the last twelve months.

the way there, roughly two the thousand days. And I keep harping on that, but I can foresee them just doing that, and can just because they're like, well, guys, when are we gonna have this opportunity again to have a thousand days? Like, to me, that's such narrow minded booking. But yeah, but the only the only hope we have is exactly what you said, the money in the bank winner,

whether it's Drew or Seth. Yeah, because I think those are really the only two that have a legitimate argument to win that match, which I probably think it'll actually be Drew because then he'll challenge Roman for Clash at the Castle, I'd imagine, unless he wins some other way to challenge Roman, but you already know at least through Clash at the Castle with Drew in September, Like Roman's gonna hold a belt at least another three months to get to Rome, or to get to bra sorry, to

get to Drew. There's there's there's like the same cast of characters here. To get from Toro versus Drew at Clash in the Castle, you gotta go another three months. And it's just absurd that we already know the next quarter of a year there is no chance of anyone taking the belt from Roman. Like that's I think the biggest problem I've had with this run. And I've been a big proponent of this run. I have, and I've sat here and defended him more than most, and you know,

for better worse, that is what it is. It's very subjective here, But the biggest problem I've had over the two years almost that he's been champion, and look out for them harping on that at SummerSlam. By the way, for two years he's been champion. The biggest complaint I've had is that every nearly every opponent he's had, you've

never really believed that they could beat Roman. Like they they've Kevin Owens even it's you know, in his four matches or whatever he had, there was maybe one of the matches You're like maybe, But at the end of the day, you're you're never thinking, oh my god, they're probably gonna be the one to beat Roman, and then they don't. You're like, oh man, they had the chance. Nobody there's been nobody, Cizarro, the Demon, Finn Baler, Kevin Owens,

obviously brock Lester. You know, anytime he challenges Roman has no chance. You know, he faced John Cena. You knew while there was some speculation he's a part time guy. Doesn't make sense, legend doesn't need it, he doesn't make He's not gonna get it, you know, the rock he comes back. You know, it doesn't make sense. It's all just nostalgic matches and just like video game matches that people are are thinking themselves, yeah, there's no chance, like

this is it's cool that these matches are happening. But unfortunately, guys, we know the outcome, like we we already know Romans retaining because it doesn't make sense for this person to win. That's the been the biggest complaint I've had with his entire run. Is that ninety percent of his opponents you just going, yeah, it's gonna be a fun match, but there's no way they're winning that. That's that's a terrible way to have a title run.

he'll drop it back to Roman. But I mean the way that they booked him versus Sena was embarrassing. The Brock thing obviously, like him winning at WrestleMania was the most clear cut outcome we've ever seen, arguably at WrestleMania, and we knew that he was gonna beat Riddle on SmackDown, and like, I don't know if I'm missing anyone in there. Obviously, Jay us at the very beginning, we knew wasn't gonna have a hope in the hell of winning the championship.

the Universal Championship at the rumbles. So, I mean, it's very unfortunate that even though it has been an excellent run for the most part, I would say, all the way up until this year's WrestleMania, I had no complaints with it. I would say that it is still a shame that for the first eighteen months when it was red hot, you never presented a formidable opponent for him to go up against.

invest anymore. Disengagement is not heel heat. I think that's the difference that people don't understand sometimes, and so I think that that people are at that point. People are at that point where they're just like disengaged and they're just like, oh, well, Roman's gonna win. It's gonna be a good match, you know. So I'll watch for just like the wrestling perspective, but I'm kind of disinvested from

the bloodline. It's the same thing. Roman wins, retains, he stands there till it tells people to acknowledge him, and then a new opponent comes out just as he's holding up the belts. It's like very formulae. It's the same thing, and I totally get it. I'm not crapping on that and I'm starting to I'm starting to get on that bandwagon of like, okay, yeah, I'm kind of done with this.

Can we just get the belts off Roman so we can get Roman in matches that you actually don't know if he's gonna win or not, Like, like, to me, you've made your point. Roman's a future Hall of Famer. He's had an epic run, a legendary run. We get all that great heel turn, great success, great execution. For

the most part, point made. Can we move on? You are strangle holding two championships unified into one that you're not even maximizing or utilizing at all, by the way, and you're also holding mac talent that could be taking these spots for pay per views that are that oftentimes don't even have a world title match because Roman's not there. I mean, so there's there's to me, the negatives finally outweigh the positives of Roman holding those belts. I just I'm there now, and it.

beat him, and sometimes they did. Triple H beat him in the Three Stages of Hell Match.

Like these are things sometimes that have to happen, and I could guarantee you that guys like the Rock, guys like Austin, even a guy like John Cena, and you know, he was pushed as Super Sena for a long time, but never to this extent that like it pays sometimes to have them lose, and it pays sometimes.

And then in twenty thirteen he won the Rumble and he beat the Rock at the at Wrestling in twenty nine and even though it wasn't my favorite thing in the world, I think it got a lot more people behind John Cena again because they did have him face some form of adversity and could you imagine like Roman losing a match and coming out like a month later more vicious than ever because he did finally lose, like they would have a brand new like can of worms

to open and work with and everyone would be so much more invested because we're just like, Okay, we had a vicious rome before, but now that he's lost, let's see what levels he'll take it to to get that title back.

he gonna Is he gonna like light the arena on fire? Like? What is he gonna do? Like the quiet anger? I think he could show on camera would be scary good and I would love to see it. They could even turn him babyface off of it. I mean, honestly, the fans are already cheering when he comes out. Some of them are He's got a great entrance music, you know. Again, I think that the fans have had time to hate him the ones that have wanted to boo him have

had time to boo him. We've We've had a lot of a lot of fans, like myself, pent up anger for him that I think is now released and were ready to embrace him if they ever wanted to turn babyface, they could that we could get to the point where Vince wanted him to be six years ago winning the Rumble in fifteen in Philly, except actually be there now because they've gone through the time of hating him and now they can instantly turn him on a dime. I

really believe that. So you're right, it's just time, and I think that fans are fed up, We're done with it, and you know, I just I don't want to go in circles. But any final thoughts on this.

but I really don't even know the next time. I would look at a Roman match even again all the way to WrestleMania and go, hmm, well, it could be this person who beats him. Here There's literally no one I can think of at this time that could come back and challenge Roman outside of some people in XT. You have heard the names, but right now, in the

current roster, I'll look at it. I go, yeah, there's nobody, So just put it on Seth for God's sakes, Like, just have Seth win the money in the bank, cash it in that night. Let's get it over with. Seth is now the unified champion, Like, let's move on. That's what I would do. But all right, well, Anthony, thank you for coming on tonight. Of course, you guys can check out Anthony on his retro show, and this past week was from the vault version, but this week, hopefully

we'll get a fresh, a fresh, new episode. And did you have anything in mind, Anthony, or you're waiting for the universe to inspire you over the next few days.

It felt like the Rock was kind of on a full time schedule. Maybe not from an in ring perspective, but he was appearing on Raw, he was appearing on SmackDown almost each and every week when he held the WWE Championship in early twenty thirteen, and I don't think people remember how often he came back during that period, So I'm excited to dive into that.

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