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Spirits, Ghosts, Heavenly Helpers - How to Tell the Difference

Jan 30, 202648 minEp. 3
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In this episode, Denise and Missy take you deep into the world of spirits, ghosts, and heavenly helpers. They break down the energetic differences between these beings, explore what each one may feel like, and share personal stories that bring these concepts to life. You’ll also learn how to begin building a relationship with your own guides and why energetic protection is essential when navigating the unseen. From cleansing practices to grounding techniques, they offer practical ways to keep your space — and your spirit — clear. If you’ve ever wondered who’s around you, what you’re sensing, or how to connect safely, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. Take a listen!

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Missy

Hello, and welcome back to the Woo Woo channeling crew. I'm Missy, and I'm here with Denise. And today I think we've got a really interesting topic for you. We're going to be discussing ghosts and spirits. So that's what the difference is, maybe how you can tell the difference. Denise, is there anything you want to add to that?

Denise

Yeah. We're also going to break down the heavenly helpers too, from the angels to spirit guides to archangels, the roles that they play. But yes, I think it's so important that we talk about the differences. I get a lot of questions about that. It can be a sensation. One feels cold, the other feels warm, what to expect and anticipate and how to deal with it when you encounter it. Exactly. So I think that's a, this is a great subject.

Missy

Yeah. And if you haven't already guys, please like, and follow us. We really appreciate your support. So thank you so much for being here. So let's just get into it. Okay. Let's start off by like, what is a ghost? What is a ghost to you? How does it feel to you? Or, you know, what it can feel like to say other people and what they may have experienced.

Denise

So usually when people ask me, I I love to use the analogy of a fan. I think that when the fan is on high and you can barely see the blades, I think that is the angelic realm. I always say, personally like to stay close to the CEO, right? So I feel like the universe, source, Buddha, Jesus, whomever source is to you, Jesus is mine. I wanna be closer to God.

So I love to stay in that higher vibration that you see on a fan. And when you hit medium, it's just that. It's the mediumship. It's spirits that have crossed over for me. And then the when you hit low on the fan and you can see the blades very clearly, that feels closer to our dimension.

That is what I would consider ghosts, dark entities, and things of that sort. That's kind of how I describe it. My experience picking up on, and I don't get a lot of this experience and I want to let people know. Many times clients say to me, God, you do this work all the time. You spend a lot of hours in this realm, if you will. And they'll say, well, how do you combat negative energy? And I always say to them, for every demon or every dark energy, there are a thousand angels, right?

I stay in the very high vibration. So I make sure that I'm fortified. And some people say, well, you know, somebody brings up witchcraft or somebody will call and say, I think somebody's putting witchcraft on me. A lot of times it's like, listen, don't give it power. I've literally not given things power and seen it dissipate.

And so, when I have ever encountered a lower energy, you instantly feel the vibration shift. I know that, you know, your bread and butter is mediumship and mine is psychic intuitive work. Yeah. So if I'm doing a reading and I am in the angelic realm, that's where I put myself as I'm doing the reading. I will sometimes hear, we'll go back to our clairs, clairaudiently, and I can feel a shift in my body and it's almost like I hear this sound.

That's like, oh, right. It's almost like I power down. Yeah. Whenever I hear that powering down noise, I usually know that I am lowering. I'm going from that high fan to the medium. Okay. Right. And then boom, I'll get the ringing in my ears. I'll feel the tingling on my body and I will know that someone is trying to come through. So I physically feel it sentience.

I feel the shift. And for me, ghosts will always feel a bit cold or that mood feels heavy Mhmm. And spirit feels very warm and light. How about you? How's it feel for you?

Missy

I feel like sometimes ghosts to me feel very, I definitely experience the heaviness, but I get an anxiousness. I feel an anxiousness in my body. And I have shared this story with you that for the past, almost five, going on six years now, I am woken up in the middle of the night by what I feel is a low vibration. So I sometimes feel like ghosts are very low vibrational, right? They haven't become this conscious energy on the other side.

They're stuck here. There's something residual or their emotional attachment to something here on the earthly plane. There can be stuck to a location. It can be a piece of furniture, but I have been woken up in the middle of the night by what I think is the water dripping on my face, whether or not this is a very low vibrational energy that needs help crossing over, or this could be a ghost.

Denise

But Mhmm.

Missy

I feel coldness in the room. I feel an anxiousness in my body.

Denise

Yeah.

Missy

And I feel like I just wanna kinda pull the covers up and kind of hide from it. That for me feels very ghostly. So I sometimes don't term it as a ghost, but I term it as a presence, kind of a wandering energy or a disruptive energy, like something that's waking me up in the middle of the night that really shouldn't be waking me up in the middle of the night. I'm not scared. Don't really feel scared about it, but there's a difference.

Like my energy completely shifts. So my understanding too, are that ghosts are sometimes souls that are kind of wandering around that are confused. That's the way it feels to me, right? So that energy is there in that room and I don't know why it's there, but doesn't come to me in the daytime. It comes to me at night.

So when we're quiet, when we're calm, when they can have our attention, and then I get woken up in the middle of the night by having what I feel is water dripping on my face. So I interpret that intuitively as this entity or this leftover energy. They want me to listen. Don't talk, listen, you know, kind of like, okay, don't say anything. It feels eerily like a ghost.

And I hate to use the word eerily because there's nothing scary about it to me. I just know the energy is not it's not light. Yeah. Yeah. And it's not all the way like, oh, dark, evil, demonic. It's stuck. And I think because of the work that we do, this stuff doesn't really scare us anymore. Right. So I like that you used the phrase anxiety. Yeah. It's an uneasy feeling.

Denise

If I, in the middle of the night, energy around me. Sometimes I'll say a quick prayer to Archangel Michael . I'm like, listen, I'm off the clock. Right? Shut it off. I imagine a light switch and I wait until I physically see his finger turn off the light switch. And then it shuts everything down. There are times where I will wake up in the middle of the night and feel something and I can determine whether it feels good or not. It's a heaviness. It almost feels like a weighted blanket for me.

And I say, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's not do that. And a lot of times, because we do this work all the time, sometimes we do forget to kind of cleanse before we go to bed. And then I get caught up and I'm like, oh, you know what? I don't think I really shut myself down.

Wow. We're starting off on a really creepy side. Didn't expect for us to start off this creepy. So before we get too much into it, let's try to explain and break down the differences of our heavenly helpers on the other side versus right. I don't want to scare people. One of my favorite things to talk about is our spirit guides. Some religions call it the guardian angel. What have you always called it?

Missy

I've always referred to, you know, I know that there are angels. We know that there are archangels. There are heavenly helpers like you mentioned. I also realize that there are spirit guides. And to me, my understanding has always been, and this comes from readings that I've done.

I want to mention very quickly the book by Sonia Choquette, ask your guides. And in it, really breaks down a lot of the differences, but spirit guides to me are those that have lived in earthly presence before and are maybe helping us through a lesson. It can also be a loved one that has transitioned to the other side. So spirit to me, if we're gonna just say spirit, it feels very much like a conscious presence with intention and wisdom. So that's how I would term like a spirit guide.

It has this intentional wisdom that it's really trying to share. It's very high frequency. So their their energy to me feels expansive or loving. It feels encouraging or supporting. And that is in contrast to in ghost and the heaviness.

Denise

Right. And what I also, I just want to go back to them living a life here. A lot of people find that very confusing. How I determine and decipher between your angels and spirit guides, Your angels haven't lived a life here before.

Missy

Correct.

Denise

So their position on a lot of things is love and light. Right? So a boyfriend cheats on you and you ask your angels, what do I do? They'll say, well, you know, see only the good, right? Let's try to rise above this versus your spirit guide.

Who's like, buddy, you need to call him. You need to text him and you need to focus on this. And these are the points you have, right? Because they understand the emotion, the frustration, the brokenness. So they'll give you a little bit more insight that just feels a little bit more, it's not so generic.

And I'm not trying to call the angels that they're very broad and generic. However, when you need specifics, I always look at my guides as the hand holders. Yeah. Right. They hold your hand. Walk you through. When you're having a reading with me, I don't do a reading without Archangel Michael. That's for sure. He's my bodyguard. And if somebody for mediumship wants to come through, I see his sword in my third eye.

And if he lifts the sword, that means he's okay bringing somebody through. And I think out of the twelve, fourteen years I've been really doing this, like for a living, only twice has he not picked up the sword. Yeah. Only twice. And I remember after the session, I asked the client, you know, what was going on with your dad?

She was like, oh, he was into witchcraft. He did this, he did that. Santeria, he was right. And she went down this whole rabbit list of all these things. So yeah, guess what? Michael was protecting me. He's like, we're not entertaining that. We're not entertaining it. And I've created that. And we're gonna talk about that a little later, how you can create the dynamics with spirit.

Spirit will negotiate. If you can't handle this, you can handle this. People who are ghost hunters, you see them on TV all the time. They're okay hitting the fan on low and seeing the blade. Right? I just prefer not to. I want to be a little bit more heightened. So it's a choice.

Missy

No, I definitely agree with that. I love to work with Archangel Michael as well, and I'm still developing the relationship with him and how he shows up for me, but I know that he always answers the call and I can always count on him. And I remember a reading that I had done for a woman who was very visual. She was clairvoyant and could see, but she also could see presences in the room. And she goes, my God, who's the giant guy standing behind you?

And I was like, I'm sorry. You know? And she's like the his wings and this. And I go, that's my dude. That's archangel Michael.

And I kinda put my fist up like I we were fist bumping. I you know, with our Michael. But I love his presence because he always shows up. Never a time when you call on him and he's not there. He's not going well, look, it's Tuesday at 03:00 and you know, I'm sorry. I have other appointments I need to get to. They're omnipresent. And that's the word that I love to use for our guides, the angels, the archangels, the ascended masters is that they are omnipresent. They are everywhere, all the time, all at once. And all you need to do is really use your voice.

It doesn't require you to speak in a Shakespearean terms. You know, how is thou ist be with withst me? You know, you don't have to talk that way.

Denise

Right.

Missy

But that energy feels very benevolent. It feels more warmth expansion, kind of a sense of being seen. You get the intuitive nudge that comes along with that energy stepping through versus say that cold spot that we were talking about earlier or the heaviness or a loop, something on a replay, a sense of something happened here, right, is that energy that feels very low vibrational to me. And that's how I tell the difference is like, this feels very low vibrational. This does not feel low vibrational.

And sometimes connecting to souls on the other side when I'm doing mediumship, Some souls come through carrying a little bit of heaviness, but that may be emotional turmoil that they've carried with them to the other side that they're still working through. So that still doesn't feel ghostly to me. That's just a soul who's still working through it

Denise

Yeah. They're learning, working through it. Yeah. And that's a good segue because I've had people say, well, who are you talking to? Right? Like, who are you talking to? You know, majority of the time I'm talking to guides and if spirit comes through, I'm talking to a loved one. Let's talk about the difference between a loved one and a ghost.

Missy

Yeah. Yeah. I think spirit appears a lot when you're, you're open, right? That's the first thing you have to be open to even receiving the guidance. Right.

They have a message or some sort of support that they're trying, you know? It could be that you're in a moment of transition. So when I am connecting to a soul from the other side, and it's a loved one, you know, mother, father, sibling, a friend of a friend, a pet. It, it always starts my, my body first reacts, my energy reacts in a way that I get goosebumps, but not in a, not in a cold way, but to me is my sign that the energy is present. Has drawn close to me. And then I know for me that that's safe. I sometimes, depending on the soul stepping forward, but sometimes they'll even rub my back, which is very, it's very indicative of a grandma that's trying to soothe you. Oh, there, there, dear. It's okay.

Denise

So that would be very creepy for me. I don't want anybody touching me. Love you guys. Don't touch me.

Missy

Or I get the tap on the shoulder that I'm I'm here. Now, as you know, when I first started doing this and, and this was happening to me, it, it was a little scary. I gotta admit, I wasn't expecting all these different ways that they would, you know, that they would show up, but a loved one, a loved one's energy does feel. Well, I guess the easiest term to describe it, it feels loving. It feels more, it does feel light. It feels comforting. And they're always coming through just to let the person that I'm reading for know that I'm okay. I'm at peace. I'm here. All I've done is change locations.

I've just gone from the physical, you know, into this realm and I'm here. What's your experience been? When it's a loved one?

Denise

Yes. I wait for Michael to show me the sword. I know that he won't bring through anything that is negative. I love that you brought up the tapping because I wanted to explain also that we're talking from our experiences as intuitive readers, but think about, you know, want to think about the people who aren't intuitive readers who are experiencing certain things and want to really understand what that all entails. And so when you brought up the tapping, when I was in middle school, I was always the last to leave my home.

And I remember feeling a tap on my shoulder and I opened my eyes and I see the sun. And I was like, Oh my gosh. But the first thought that came to me, and this all happened like in a millisecond, thought, No one should be home right now. Yeah. I turn and there was nobody there.

And I panicked, not because of the tap, I panicked because I was late. I got to brush my teeth, threw my clothes on, got on my bike, And it was the ride from home to school. I'm wondering, wait a second, who touched me? When I get hits like that, I always think it's my guardian. I really believe it's my guardian.

I just want to give an example of that. Sometimes it can come off creepy. And you gotta remember too, your spirit guides have been with you from the day you took your first breath and they will be with you from the day you take your last. When you hear people who have near death experiences and they come back and they're like, yeah, first thing I saw was this, like a guy in a robe and he's walking me to my family, right? That's And that's your guide I think that's so cool.

You have this partnership and they're always going to look out for you. The idea that we all sat and had a blueprint and we said, okay, before we get here, you're going to be my ride or die. You're going to have my back no matter what. And you know what? This circumstance is going to happen, but I got you.

And not only just one, some of us have more than one. Right. And it could happen different times in your life. I remember getting a reading back in like 2008, 2009. Yeah, that was right around the time I was sensing that I had something, but I was like experimenting.

And I had just gotten a brand new townhome and I was painting and decorating. And in the reading, the psychic says to me, you've got a guide who is so colorful. He has like a beret and he's holding a palette and he's showing you all these fabulous colors and he looks fabulous and everything is about colors and putting, you know, paint together and furniture. And I was like, wow. And then I realized like once I was done decorating the home, then he just kind of like, poof, he's gone.

But as simple as that, to have a guide, that's like guiding you in being creative. I thought that was really cool.

Missy

Yeah. We have guides for everything, right? Yes. You know, whether you have a broken heart, you have a guide that's gonna show up and teach you how to navigate that broken heart. If you wanna start your own business, you have a guide that's gonna show up and help you navigate, you know, being an entrepreneur for the first time.

Denise

That's right.

Missy

I remember when you and I first connected and we were talking about guides and I said to you, well, I have four guides. That doesn't mean everybody has four. And I remember saying to you, so she never talks to me. She just holds up these big placards like you would, if you were a cheerleader that say cheer, applause, be aggressive or whatever it is. She never ever talks. She just holds up these cards. If she's answering a question that I might have, it might just be a card that says no. Yes. And I said, is she like a mute? Does she not know how to talk?

And you go, no, Missy, she's your biggest cheerleader in life. And I thought that was really sweet. And her name is Marigold, so shout out to Marigold.

Denise

Shout out to Marigold.

Missy

I love I love her. And I remember you also telling me that sometimes depending on what we're navigating in life or what we're moving through, that our guides can change. And I was heartbroken by that because I had grown so close to the guides that I have. And I do know that they are all still here, but there was a time that I remember one of them saying to me, I'm gonna go, but I'm gonna be back. I was like, no, I don't want you.

And I was so sad for like a couple of days that I really did not feel his presence as strongly as I had felt it, you know, before. But you know, now he's back. I remember you also describing one time when I, I, I was talking about my guides and you're like, yeah. And I said, they show me them like sitting in a boat with their feet crossed, their legs are stretched out and their feet are crossed at the ankles and their arms are folded and they've got their hat tipped down, you know, to keep the sun out of their eye. And I go, why are they doing that?

And you said, They're just practicing patience with you. What am I doing? What do I need to do? And they're like, Yeah, they're just pretty much waiting for you to make a move. And then they'll wake themselves up and they'll get active again, But yeah, whatever you're doing right now, they're kind of bored with it. And I was like, Oh my God, what am I doing? You know?

Denise

I gotta step up.

Missy

Yeah. So I love how, the relationship develops over time, depending on what you're navigating through. But what I love more than anything about our guides, angels, the archangels, is that they're consistent. There isn't a time when they decide I'm not going to help.

Denise

Right.

Missy

I'm not going to guide. I'm not going to encourage. I am not going to support. It may be a lesson that we have to learn, but they save us. They help us. They gift us. They offer us solutions. They open doors that appear closed or locked, and they bring us what feels like miracles. So when you can wake up and recognize signs, the synchronicities, the people that are moving in your life, the people that move out of your life. These are all things that are coming from our heavenly helpers.

Denise

Yeah. A lot of times when we think about God, was this all in my head? Or if you say, then I thought this thing came to me. Like you hear people say that, then all of a sudden this knowledge hit me and I thought, I'm not doing this right. Nine times out of 10, that's your guides.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

That's your guys. You don't even realize it. You brought something up earlier, which I wanted to tackle. Lot of people ask me, I'd like to connect with my guides. Who are my guides? When I was 17, I had a dream. I was online at a store to bring something back and get a refund. And there was somebody that was two people in front of me, she had blonde hair. And she turns and looks back at me. And in the dream I go, Jennifer?

And she smiles and she runs over to me and she hugs me and she says, Oh my goodness, I cannot believe you recognized me. And I said, Who are you? And she said, I'm your spirit guide. I woke up.

Missy

ph Wow.

Denise

This is back in the day where we didn't have the internet. So I get on my trusty bike and I go to the library and I start to find what does it mean to be a spirit guide?

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

Because I grew up Christian and we only know that as a guardian. Then I was like, wow, it must mean something because I didn't even know what a spirit guide was. And that's what she said when I was going through this transition and understanding this gift. My spirit guide's name was Benjamin. He'd come to me in dreams. The reason why I found that out is because I said a prayer for like one whole week. I was like, spirit, I wanna know who's working with me.

And in the dream, he and I are sitting at a bench in a park. That's how my guides come to me. I'm at a park bench always. And he goes, okay, well I gotta go. I said, why? He said, cause you're about to wake up. And I was like, okay. And then he's walking away and I go, wait, what's your name? And he says, Benjamin. And then I wake up.

So I call him by name. So you can work on finding that out through meditation, clair audience. You can work through dreams. But I always tell people, if that's something that's super important to you, that you wanna call them by name, they love that. Are you kidding me?

They cheer when we say thank you and we acknowledge It just builds the relationship. There was one other thing you said that I wanted to tackle. I remember when I would go to bed right around the time that I was learning about this gift and I would feel energy come around the bed. I'd feel a two at the foot, one to the right, one to the left.

And I remember being so upset because I'm like, it's like midnight. What are you doing? And I remember saying in my head, why do you guys keep coming to me at night? And their response to me was, we're not coming to you at night. We're always around you.

You just now are shutting down your mind, but it's warm and it's soft. And that's how you can tell the difference when you start to feel cold spots, right? And like you brought up the heaviness, that is when you've got to say, okay, I have to embrace what it is that I'm dealing with. How do you think people should deal feeling negative energy or cold spots, which we would call ghosts?

Missy

Yeah. So I think there's a couple things you can do. The first thing I would do is cleanse the space. Right? I would definitely do something to clear the space and that can be

Denise

want to give them some ideas?

Missy

Yeah. So they can use sage. They can also use palo santo. They can use prayer because a lot of times I think prayer is probably one of the more powerful things to use. And then that is calling in your protectors, your divine protectors of the Archangel Michaels, you know, archangel Michael, archangel Raphael, archangel Uriel.

I mean, there's a lot. Right. But I think first and foremost, it's calling in, you know, God, and giving that prayer of this is what I'm feeling. This is what I need removed. Whatever you feel.

Again, I think this goes back to there's no special words that you have to say. It's just calling in that protection, that divine protection that you feel that you need and asking that energy be released and taken back from where it came. It's almost like cutting cords. Right? Cause there's an attachment of something.

So, I would suggest first prayer, and you can say the prayer while you're also clearing the room, clearing the house, whatever that may be. I always say leave make sure you're leaving either a window open or a door because the energy has to have somewhere to go. You can't just clear a room and you've got the doors closed and the windows closed because the energy is still there, there's nowhere for it to move. Simply using sage is great, but there are other things that you can do besides palo santo and sage. You can use a combination of mugwort, lavender, and cedar.

So they are cleansing, they are protecting, and then they invite in the calm. Like lavender brings calm back into the space. Now you could even go as far as having someone who does this on a regular basis or does this for a living come and smudge. They use the word smudge the home. One of the things I also do is I place a piece of black tourmaline and selenite above the doorways.

So that is offering protection with the black tourmaline, the negativity, and also the selenite is very clearing or cleansing. So there are some different crystals that you can certainly place around your room. But if you don't wanna do that, and that's okay, the simplest thing is prayer and then, you know, the clearing. Yeah.

Denise

What about you? I agree with that. I do. Our family went away and we got a cabin in Georgia, and I remember I got there before the guys. It was me and my cousin, who's also intuitive, runs in a family. And we burned. So we knew the boys would be freaked out because a lot of them are like, Denise is scary. I walk in, I bring my crystals when we go into the house. I cleanse everywhere we go. And we went down to the game room and I saw a native American standing in a corner.

Like he, it was a glimpse, like one second boom, I saw him and he disappeared. And the house had a lot of dream catchers and we're on the Coosawattee River. So hello. Didn't surprise me, but it didn't feel negative. Didn't give me like the anxiety that you talked about. So what I did was I let him know exactly what I was doing. I said, hi, we're only here for seven days. I am cleansing our space. I will continue to, to respect your space. I want you to know we are not intruders.

We will respect you, respect your home. I just literally had a whole conversation with him while I was cleansing. Didn't see anything after that. The energy was light. And this is one thing I know you said you wanted to talk about, like what makes the ghost linger?

And I think this is kind of a good segue because it didn't feel like a bad energy, but there are a lot of reasons, many different reasons why a spirit chooses to be earthbound. I said spirit, but yeah, it's a spirit, a ghost. I've seen spirits who aren't ghosts that are earthbound.

Missy

I wanted to back up for just a second. You were talking about the presence of seeing the native American. And when I first moved here to Arizona, there was a presence in the house that I first rented. And one of the things I said, Denise, I don't know what to do. You know, he's opening doors and shutting the doors.

It's very, it's very evident. I even heard the voice one night very loudly and it scared the heck out of me because I was home by myself And by I said, you know, what, what else do I need to do? And you said to just let him know that you're here to share the space in unity, that I'm, I'm going to respect the space. I'm going to respect you. I ask that you respect me and we're going to share this and we invite in love and light.

And really it never worried me after that. You know, I just felt like for whatever reason, he likes this space and I couldn't get any history on the house or that particular plot of land. Obviously, it's Arizona, so there's probably a lot of native Americans. You know, we don't know. But I, I think too that

Denise

Did it go away by the way?

Missy

It eventually did. It wasn't like it was every single night. It used to be every single night at 06:00, door would, you know, there would be an open and a shutting of a door and a very loud noise. It was, you know, but after a while it started to dissipate. But I feel like a lot of times they're attached to a location.

Denise

And I also feel at times that it can be an imprint, which is if it's 06:00 every night that they're doing that, it could be something that they did all the time. If there's a rocking chair in the room and somebody was rocking a very colicky baby for one whole year, that can be an imprint too, but that could be another great episode down the line.

Missy

I never even really thought about it being kind of an imprint, but that's a very good I like that. And sometimes I feel like there's a residue of something, an emotional residue. Yeah. There's, there's something that may be special about that location. And so they're emotionally tied to it.

It could also be where if it's a husband and a wife and maybe he lost his spouse in that space, he's attached to that. The sadness that maybe he hasn't been able to rectify, or he hasn't been able to heal from. So there's also, for me, we've got the location imprints, emotional residue. And can you, can you think of some other reasons why they would be?

Denise

Yeah. And then there are some that don't know, they don't know that they're dead. I try to put myself in their shoes and I'm like, how scary is that when they finally realize, like when you go to a home to cleanse the home and you have to tell that, you know, that energy you passed away, this isn't your home anymore. And they're shocked. Like, can't imagine what that feels like to realize your time has come.

It's okay to go. I've seen people not leave because they're ashamed to go to the light. Yeah. I was such a bad person. Don't deserve to see the face of God. And it's sad. It makes me so unbelievably sad. So when I watch these ghost hunter shows and they like, they claim they're helping. There's one in particular, I won't say the name, but that drives me crazy that I have to stop watching because all he does is he riles the ghosts up. Then he's like, okay, show's over.

And then they leave and then the house is in complete disarray. And all they did was agitate whatever's there because they don't have the ability or the tools to help. The homeowners are coming to you for help and guidance. And all you did was piss the ghosts off by talking And to it any kind of now the activity is through the roof.

Missy

Yeah. And I, and I think it's important to remember ghost or, or spirit. They're still a soul.

Denise

Right.

Missy

And it's important to acknowledge that and respect that, that they are still a soul. It could be a lost soul, an emotional soul, but they're trying to reach a place that there's disoriented. They can become disruptive. And maybe part of that disruption is the emotional residue that we're talking about. Like, I don't know where I am. I don't know, like, why am I still here?

I'm supposed to have transitioned. What, what is keeping me? It's like, they try to get your attention to let you know, I'm not happy where I am. And maybe that is a cry for help. And so I've had the experience in mediumship readings where I've got grandma stepping through. She passed away before the husband did. And I can see how she extended the hand to help him cross over. She'll say to me, come on now, you know, it's time, where she is showing me how she helped him to cross over because he was still attached to, Wait a minute, I'm dead? And she's going, Yeah, you're dead. So come on, you gotta come.

You can't straddle the line. You could be there or you can be here, but you can't be both places. And so I had that experience where the souls get a little confused about crossing over.

Denise

I did a reading where a client's father was so stubborn and convinced that he was this amazing father. And by the end of the reading, he realized he wasn't. And those moments just make it so real. I remember when he finally realized it, I saw like a wisp of Ascension. I don't know how to explain what that means.

At the end of the reading, it's almost like he went to a different level and it looked like it was going upward and it looked like just a wisp to me. And I remember at the time I was at a center and I came home and I just kind of sat in my office and quiet. And usually when I had a really profound day, I would sit with Michael at the end of the night and just listen, hear what he has to say. He'll give me tips like you did great on this one. You didn't ask enough questions here.

And I said, what was it that I saw? And he said he did ascend to a different level in his learning on the other side. And Archangel Michael said, just as you are helping those on this side, you're helping others on the other side. And he was trying to show me the importance of my work. Like this is not just earthly.

I felt like big shoes. It kind of scared me, but it was very eyeopening. I remember having a reading where a father came through and he was pissed and he had his arms crossed the whole time. And every time his daughter asked me a question, he would shake his head no, like he was so disappointed. And I said, there's a gentleman here and he keeps shaking his head. And I describe his hairline, the spectacles, the whole bit. And she goes, oh, that's my dad. And I said, but he seems like he's upset with you. And she said he was a preacher. He would have never condoned what I'm doing right now. So he was even chastising her on the other side.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

And he wouldn't work with me. He wouldn't answer questions because he was so upset that she stepped out of her faith to connect with him. So what does spirit, what does the other side do with a character like that? He's on a level somewhere where he's just not quite there yet and understanding that it's okay, that dimensions are going to connect. He doesn't realize at the time that this is so healing for his daughter to know that dad is still present.

He couldn't see that side to it. All he knew was what he preached his entire life, which is don't do this.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

But yet he still came through.

Missy

Yeah. He still came through.

Denise

Cause he didn't have to come through.

Missy

It's kinda, yeah, it's kind of a conundrum of sorts, right? Like, well, I don't believe in this, but here I am. So I believe in it. I don't believe

Denise

in this, but you know, let me just see what you really do here.

Missy

But I'm, yeah, I'm, let me just check this out for a moment.

Denise

I'm a little curious, but no, I'm not gonna answer questions, but my daughter looks fabulous. Right?

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

So yeah. I wanna make sure I didn't get off topic because I tend to do that if you guys haven't figured that out.

Missy

Okay. We're just talking

Denise

one thing I did wanna talk about, which I thought was important was protection. Now we talked about like cleansing the home and trying to really get the house grounded when you're dealing with lower energies, but I think it's so important that you are protected at all times. A 100%. And this is why I love to stay in the angelic realm. That's the high on the fan. I wanna stay up there and be close to all of that brightness and energy and protection. I am the queen of throwing a rose bubble around me, pink bubble of light and love and everything that I do. I don't start a reading, a session. We don't even record without some kind of cleansing to give us peace. Some people can connect with crystals.

I connect with crystals. Right now I'm sitting in front of a massive piece of amethyst. I've got angelite, I've got selenite, I've got black tourmaline.

Missy

I've got a huge tower of selenite sitting right here.

Denise

I love it. And what's that wrapped around it? It's a, is that sodalite?

Missy

That is an Archangel Michael charm. And I've got two bracelets on here of Archangel Michael, and then I have a chakra bracelet.

Denise

Yeah. See sodalite and then I see the chakra. I love that.

Missy

Right? Archangel Michael, that's my dude.

Denise

This is, this is how I roll my I'm always fortified. When my daughter came back from Japan, I kept hearing beep, beep, beep, like the front door was opening and I'd go and the front door wasn't open. So I was like, that's weird. I thought maybe it was the wind, maybe the door wasn't completely shut. So I just pushed it, made sure it was locked.

And five minutes later again, beep, beep, beep. So I'm like, what is going on here? Then I hear this crash in my daughter's bathroom. She squeals, calls my name. She said the thing that held like the paper towels and all that flew across her bathroom. Wow. I instantly knew she brought something home. Right?

Missy

Because

Denise

this stuff doesn't happen in my home. Palo Santo started burning. I'm big on the aromatherapy also. I'm gonna share this prayer. It's one of my favorite prayers.

I said, Archangel Michael, the warrior of archangels. First of all, surround me with the white light of the Holy Spirit. I want only my highest vibrational guides only and the angelic realm. I ask for warrior angels in every corner and every crevice of my home right now. And I give a number. I say, give me 50. I want 50 warrior angels right now. As I cleanse this space and remove this lower energy and I will walk through every room cleansing. And I will say, the cords of attachment that this lower energy has created. She's on the plane. I don't know what she's picking up. And then here she comes in and now this poltergeist starts again. No, no, no, no, no. We don't do that in this household. We don't do that.

We don't do that in this household. So once I did that cleansing, it stopped.

Missy

Yeah. You had taught me about the warrior angels because I had to call them in even when I was experiencing that water dripping on my face and I would ask them to stand around. I was very specific. I want 10 standing at the foot of my bed. I want tens along each side of the bed. I want 10 at the head of the bed. I want every single doorway and window protected of energy going in and out. And, yeah, I sometimes I I'd be talking for like ten minutes because I'm calling in the warrior angels, you know?

Denise

but I think it's just so important that you understand protection is key. Just really quickly, because I know we didn't touch on the difference between archangels and angels. I kind of look at it like a corporate org chart. Like the CEO is source and the VPs are the archangels, and then they've got their subordinates as the angels. And then the angels work with your guides. And you showed me a book earlier before we started recording. I think it was ask your guides.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

It's such a good book guys. If you wanna learn about the differences, you wanna talk a little bit about that?

Missy

Yeah. So in this book, she really goes in through like kind of welcoming you to the world of spirit, how to recognize your spirit first and then entering the wide world of spirit. And then she goes into angels. So those are the first of your divine companions. So she talks about the angels, guardian angels, your personal bodyguards, the archangels, the ministry of angels, calling all the angels.

And then she takes you through exercises on preparing you to meet your spirit guides. Then there's the spirit guides of the natural kingdom, your runners, your helpers, healer guides, teacher guides, and it goes on and on and on. And then there's a really great segment on relating to your spirit guides and, you know, your guides' names and then living a spirit guided life. It's not just about ask your guides, but it's a phenomenal, phenomenal read. It's something that I refer to a lot.

You did touch earlier on if you want to give your spirit guides or if they tell you their name, great, but they don't care about having a name. Yeah. It's us that

Denise

They Really don.'t

Missy

Humanly people, you know, that we feel we need to name something or give it a name. And if you want that, then you'll get that. But it's just recognizing what their energetic presence feels like to you more than anything else.

Denise

Yeah. You don't need it. But always remember to thank them, acknowledge them. It's so important. The first time I read that book, which was over a decade ago, I remember being so excited when I saw the parking angels. Was like, parking I use them all the time. I'm like, okay, guys, parking angels, where are you? I need a parking right at the front. Within a minute, I get a parking. And people may think that's so frivolous, but it's kind of cool when it happens.

There's nothing too frivolous to ask for guidance. Nothing. You lost your belt in your closet. It's okay to ask. And that's a great game to play with your guides.

Missy

If you really wanna practice understanding what their energy feels like, or you wanna even just practice so that you can create this, consistency in your relationship with them. But also it builds trust and it builds this faith in you that these signs, these, you know, the synchronicities, the things that show up for you. It's just a great way to build that relationship, you know, with your guides. So as we tidy up this episode, is there any last minute advice that you want to give?

Denise

Find what it is that you, are willing to open yourself to define it. If you want to be a ghost chaser, you know, be very clear what you're walking into. If you know that you'd rather live in the higher realm or communicate with spirit in the higher realm, make it very clear what you wanna do. It's the same as if you are putting things out into the universe that you're expecting to get a return. You're going to get that return based on what you ask for, including your heavenly helpers and or spirits or ghosts or things of that sort. So I always tell people, be very careful what you wish for.

Right? I don't know why I just saw a Ouija board in my third eye, so I feel like spirit wants me to talk about that. Things like that, right? If you even say, you know what, I don't mind hitting low on the fan. I just want you to remind yourself that when you work with lower energies, like something like a Ouija board, it's like opening your front door at night and going to bed. Like you have no idea who's coming through.

So I always say, be fortified, be protected if you decide that you're gonna kind of tackle things like that.

Missy

Perfect. Yeah, I think we tackled everything. I'm, I'm just, I'm glad we had the platform to talk about this because I hope it gives some clarity to our listeners about the difference and what the energy feels like, especially.

Denise

And yet guys, also, if you have any questions or you feel like we probably missed something, you can reach out to us, Missy. You're, you're good at the spiel. Go for it. I don't Yeah.

Missy

So, both Denise and I do have our own websites. Denise is divineguidance944.com, and I am at 3rd-eye-open.com, or you can simply search our names, Denise Powell or Missy Taylor. You can feel free to reach out to us on each of our websites. You can also send us an email at woowoochannelingcrew@gmail.com.

Denise

They can also put comments, even if you want to put comments on the episode. We'll be watching.

Missy

Yeah. Oh, guys, this has been the Woo Woo Channeling Crew. I'm Missy here with Denise. We're really glad that you tuned in today. We hope you got something out of this segment on ghosts and spirits and how to tell the difference. And we're just so glad that you tuned in as we continue this journey with our podcast. A lot more good stuff to come. Please reach out if you have questions. Give us a like and a follow. And until next time, we're so glad that you were here. We love you. Take care.

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