Hi there.
And welcome back to the Woo Woo Channeling Crew. I'm Missy.
And I'm Denise.
And I think we've got a really interesting show for you today. As you know, both Denise and I are psychic intuitives and mediums, not just me, Denise is also. And one of the things that comes up for us a lot is support within our community, not just our local community, what we live in, but the psychic community and supporting each other and competition. And so we thought that we would address some of the experiences that we've had, that sometimes it's not all sunshine and roses and rainbows and sprinkles and love and light and fairies and everything. Sometimes it can be very, cutthroat. It can be competitive and not supportive at all. So we thought we would talk about that a little bit because I'm still a little green about it. You know, you know what I mean? I'm still like, I'll help you. You help me let's get along, but not everybody feels that way.
Yeah. You know, when I first started doing this work, I remember just embracing how much I had to work on my vibration, heightened awareness. The more I delved into it, the more sensitive I got. And I knew that that was something very special, right? It wasn't ordinary.
Healing work is not ordinary. Today, we can walk into a room and know who's an empath after the first five minutes of a conversation. You know who's sensitive, you know who's compassionate, right? And so when you do the work to get to that place, you know that it's a very rare and unusual space. It's rare to walk into a room and find someone that matches your vibration when you're a healer.
So when I got into this business, I remember being so elated knowing that I was finally gonna be with my tribe. One of my very first psychic classes was a psychometry class. I took it in Boca. And I actually found it through meetup.com, which by the way, a lot of people don't know about meetup.com. And I think it's wonderful.
You go on, you say, here are all the things that I love and I like to do, whether it's hiking, I love to paint, I just wanna meet somebody, go on a singles retreat, do something off the coast of Florida, and then they pop up all these options, right? So I put in like psychics, spirituality, and then boom, this psychometry class came up. I was super excited. I think it was like $15 and I drove down to Boca and there was about seven people in the class. And Missy, when I walked in, it felt like I just had two glasses of wine.
I remember thinking that so clearly. The room was so palpable with just beautiful, heightened energy.
Yeah.
And I'm about to tell this story and I don't want people to think I'm patting myself on the back. This is just my first experience. I go in and I don't know when he must have come to you. I'm super nervous, but we all gave each other something that was on us, whether it was a piece of jewelry, a necklace, a scarf, whatever. And I read my partner in front of the seven people and the teacher was grading us. Like she was trying to give us a percentage of accuracy. And listen, no psychic is 100%.
We all know that. It is also nice when you can see where you stand. And to make a long story short, I saw trees, the islands, I saw the Jamaican flag. I'm Jamaican, so I was like, are you seeing that because you're Jamaican? Right? But I just said it anyways. Spirit says, stop overthinking, just say it. And then I saw, you know, like surgery. I saw them opening up her chest and I said, there's something going on with your heart. They even showed me the left side of her heart was the issue.
Very detailed. Spirit gave me, it was very detailed. And then when we're done, the teacher will say, Okay, did she hit on anything? And she's like, Yeah, well, one, the support that came from Jamaica is my boyfriend, he's Jamaican. And she said, Yeah, so did you see my scar?
And I was like, What do you mean? And then she goes and she pulls like her top a little lower and I can see the top of her scar. She's like, I had heart surgery. Interesting that the first thing she says is, Did I see her scar? Right.
I didn't see her scar, but okay. So I thought that was interesting. And then after everybody did their part, we were just all sitting and talking. And I remember the teacher gave me, based on that one reading, she gave me a 97%. Now I don't think I'm 97% all the time.
Was 97% in the moment. Yeah. And I saw the shift in the room, right? Other people got like 79, 80, instant shift. And I felt it and I saw it. And every time I spoke and wanted to share something, I felt another shift again. In my head, was like, okay, it's just me. Maybe I'm overthinking it. And I remember at the end of the class, was so happy to finally meet people who are like me. Missy, I didn't know anybody.
I didn't have a friend. I didn't have a foe that knew how to do what I did. Right. And I was like, Hey, we should all exchange phone numbers and emails and what have you, and we'll all get together. Like maybe we can do this another time or just grab coffee, right? I just want to pick somebody's brain that did this work. And they were like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I reached out to every single person in that classroom and not one person got back to me.
Yeah.
To this day. And that was back in, my God, fifteen years, sixteen, yeah, maybe sixteen, seventeen years ago. Right. Not one person got back to me and I went down a rabbit hole thinking it was me.
Yeah.
Maybe I was too forward. Maybe I said something they didn't like. You know what? Maybe they were just placating me and maybe I don't know. Cause if I can't read this room, how can I read people?
Yeah.
Right. And I was heartbroken by it. The teacher was a medium and she gave readings and I sent her a message and said, I'd like to book an appointment because our website wasn't up or something was wrong with the website. No response. I thought, not even from the teacher? It made me so insecure. I started to work for a center and there were three or four other psychics and we would do psychic fairs. I remember being so excited. I'm like, okay, part two. Right? I'm going to see if maybe it wasn't me. I remember being so insecure and cautious in the way that I dealt with them thinking that I did something wrong. And so I go in and we're talking, I'm making small talk. It felt a little weird, but I was like, okay, but I'm kind of maybe psychics are just weird. I don't know.
And I pull out my cards and I'm gonna try and not make this a long story because I'm dying to hear your take. I pull out my cards and as you know, for those who read with me and for those who are gonna be future readers, I use more than one card deck because I love synchronicity. Literally I'll use four decks and I love it because if one card says move on, and then I pull from a completely different deck and it says time to go, guess what? I'm gonna run with it. And I'm gonna honor what spirit says.
And I always do all the talking the first five to ten minutes. Anybody who's read with me, you know. And 99% of the time, the first thing that I'm talking about or spirit brings up is exactly what they want to talk about.
Can attest to that. You do use a lot of decks. Anytime that I have read with you, you go, look. Here's a card I got, then you pull from another deck. It won't say the exact same message, but you're absolutely right. It's all something within that circle. So I love reading for you for that reason, not only because you're 97% accurate.
No. Stop it. Not 97%.
But that you rely on the, you know, those cards to line up.
I rely on the synchronicity. Like, the amount of times, like, I've seen, like, okay, this person's got substance abuse issues. And then I'm like, god, how do I tackle that? In what way? And then I pull from a secondary deck right below it and it shows me weed in a martini glass.
And I'm like, Bam, got it. Right? So remember, my cards are cheat sheets and then everything just kind of flows. But I love to see a map. Why I do this is because I'm doing all the talking the first five to ten minutes. I wanna make sure I tackle everything. I did a reading yesterday they brought up love, they brought up work, and they brought up an abusive relationship all in the first five minutes, Right?
Yeah.
And I love to tackle that. You know, I have my students who say, well, I'm, yeah, I'm learning how to read cards, but I want to read it like you.
And I always tell people, find your own style. And I help them find their own style. I'll have a student who really amazing, her cards are so accurate, but she's very timid when she speaks. So I encouraged her, just pull cards, be that psychic that says, Hey, if you have three questions, let me know and I'll email you the answers. She's phenomenal at that, right?
I'm gonna pinpoint what works for you and what doesn't. Anyways, there's a reason why I said that because when I go in and I would put my cards out and I'd prepare my cards for our little fair, I remember one psychic laughing and saying, look at Denise and her cards, all her cards. And another one said, oh, it's her blankie.
Oh, wow.
The balls.
Yeah.
It's her blankie. And I said to myself, spirit surround me in a pink bubble of love in this space so that anything they throw at me bounces right back. Then weeks later and now all of a sudden Denise is sold out and they're not. And I remember one day walking past the manager and I hear one of the psychics say, why is she always booked? Why is she always booked?
And I thought to myself, like, what is this world? I left BS corporate America for stuff like this. And I come into the spiritual world and I to deal with this, and I remember being so frustrated. And I walked out the store and I just wanted to go for a walk. And spirit always works with me through music.
And I heard in my head, this little light of mine, oh I'm gonna let it shine, this little light, right? Just, And I stopped because when I heard it, I'm like, okay, there's no reason for me to be singing a hymn. Right? So I stopped, I paused. I remember I was right in front of the pizza shop and I paused and I, and I just kept hearing the lyrics, this little light of mine, oh, I'm gonna let it shine. And I heard spirits say, your little light is going to outshine them all. Go back inside and do your job. Missy, that is all I needed. I went in, I kept to myself. I did my readings.
I was always sold out within four months. Every single one of them was fired. That's not witchcraft ladies and gentlemen. I didn't put a curse on them. Right. They put a curse on themselves.
Absolutely.
You cannot function and do this work with that type of behavior, that type of attitude, that type of animosity. And I, and I gotta tell you, it hardened me. It hardened me to the point where people would say, Hey Denise, you want to collab? No, thank you. Yep. Hey, look, I've got this event in Miami and they asked me if I knew any psychics. You think you're down. Thanks for thinking of me, but no, thank you.
Now I had to be picky in who I allowed to be in my energy and in my space, because it was at that moment that I realized that psychometry class, I didn't do anything wrong.
Right.
What I did to them was that I shined.
Yeah.
My light was shining and they couldn't handle it. Let me tell you something guys. When I met Missy and Spirit told me in her first reading, this woman is going to be an amazing medium. They even said she is going to outshine me when it comes to mediumship. And I am to hold her hand and walk her through this. And the first thing I thought was, oh my God, that sounds like a lot of work.
And it wasn't. Wanna know why? Cause I had a pure heart. Missy had a pure heart. I had pure talent. She had pure talent. We look for, we look out for each other. She looks out for me. I look out for her. There's gratitude for Missy and me helping her. I'm so grateful for the beautiful soul that she is in my life. I felt so grateful that I finally met someone. Like I'm actually getting emotional thinking about this.
Yeah. No, it's, I mean, way we met each other is of course not by mistake. We're not going to go back and rehash that whole story, but I can imagine, and I've said this before in other episodes, but I cannot imagine where I would be had you not embraced me after hearing, okay, she could possibly be better than you at this thing. You could have chosen to keep it to yourself.
Right.
Right. Have just done the reading for me. It was my first reading ever with anyone. You could have just done the reading with me and said nothing, not revealed to me that I was clairvoyant, clairaudient, clair I remember every time you said you're this, I was like, I don't I don't know what that means.
And you know what? And can you imagine? Because that would say so much about me if spirit gave me a message and my ego wouldn't be able to handle it. That's crazy. Before we came on today, I was just pulling a couple cards.
Missy and I were just chitchatting, and I got the card that said integrity, and I'm gonna grab it right now, and I wanna read it because I haven't used this deck in a really long time. It says integrity, align your actions so that they match your values and inner knowingness of what's right for you. Align your actions with integrity so that No it matches your one in that space matched my values and the inner knowingness. And instead of saying, God, you know what? I would love to learn from her.
Right? Or, you know what I mean? When I worked at corporate America, if I admired someone, I wouldn't necessarily ask them to mentor me, but I would follow, I would take advice. I had a psychic once tell me, Oh, you're wearing all black today. You know that your readings aren't gonna go well today. You just, you can't have this type of energy. I thought, what? My clothes? One of my decks was getting frayed and they said, you can't buy another deck. You're gonna change your whole energy.
I thought to myself, like, what? Like, it's just, it's absolutely bizarre. So we've got my blankie. Denise has a blankie. Well, guess what? My blankie has helped thousands and thousands of people. You know what? You blankie. Anyways, when I think about deciding on how I want to deal with people, how I wanna work, I'm very cautious. I know that you and I could work together and I'd be okay because I trust you.
I know that there's no competition. Right. I know that you walk in integrity and I know that you're genuine. So it took a while for me to find this type of comfortability guys. And I found it in Missy.
Yeah. And vice versa. I found it in you because like you've had experiences, that you just shared with us. I've, I've also had experiences in that way. And I really come from a place of kind of not love everybody.
I just mean help everybody. Like I want to be helpful. So if spirit brings to me that somebody has a beautiful gift, whether it's sensitivity or claircognizance and inner knowing, I reveal it to them. Like, because you did it for me, right? And I knew when you did that for me, how it changed my life.
So I would never want to hold that back from sharing with someone else that they have a gift or that they could possibly do this work. I mean, I'm all about raising the collective consciousness, raising the collective vibration, right? Finding that community. And we were talking about before that sometimes community lacks unity. And I'm finding that the more I embed myself in this community, the more I'm finding that people don't have my back sometimes.
And I find it upsetting because I just wouldn't do that to someone. I remember a very valuable lesson that my mom taught me a long, long, long, long time ago. And that was you can't conform people to be the way you want them to be. So just because I'm nice to you, doesn't mean you'll be nice to me. Just because I'm helpful towards you, it doesn't mean you'll be helpful towards me.
And that's a hard lesson for me because I really genuinely want to love people. I don't always have to like them. No, I genuinely want to like people and I want to accept and welcome and embrace people, but that it has been very hurtful for me lately.
Have you had any experiences similar to Yeah.
I'm going to go back to probably my, the first time I realized maybe I wasn't welcome. I remember taking classes from a world renowned physical medium, trance medium, and I was so excited to take these classes. So excited. And I had to travel to take these classes. Now everybody in the class knew each other.
So I was kind of the outsider coming in. And one of the first classes was astral trance. And so we would go into kind of like a deep meditation and then we would astral project. And he wanted us and he instructed us to meet our guide or meet who it is that shows up for us on the other side. And after we did that exercise, maybe it was twenty minutes, he would go around the room and everybody would talk about their experience.
And he gets to me and I was almost afraid to speak out at what my experience was. Now, everybody's saying my guide was this amazing medicine woman and she was dressed all in white. I'm going, okay, this is not my experience. And so I started to second guess myself and I wasn't going to say anything. And then I decided, you know what? I'm here for a reason. I'm here to learn. I'm here to grow. So I'm just going to say it whether I'm right or I'm wrong. I'm just going to say it. He said, well, you know, who, who was it that you, you met? Who is your guide? And I looked him straight in the face and I go, your grandmother. And he was like, oh, okay.
He didn't acknowledge it. He was acknowledging everybody else's guides. He was saying, yep, you're right. That's what I saw. Because he could kind of come into your meditation and and see what other people were, you know, connecting to.
And so when I said your grandmother, he said, well, if it is, then you're very lucky because she was a powerful woman. And that was that. And from there, she kept stepping forward. I had very profound visions of him as a little boy that I would describe. I mean, right down to the sandpail he would carry on the beach being red with the white handle and a squiggle mark on the top of the handle.
I mean, everything was very profound for me. I mean, the the visions were crazy. The things that she, was saying to me. And I remember there was a woman in the class that we were doing a group exercise and he came over to sit within the group and, the grandmother came and she spoke through me. I was in trance and her voice spoke through me, and I'm completely unaware of it.
And he says, did anyone connect with the messages that were were being brought through Missy? And everybody said yes except for this one person. She goes, no. I didn't understand any of it. And he said, well, maybe the message wasn't for you. And she goes, well, I tried to. I just didn't understand any of it. Why did your grandmother pick her?
What?
And he goes, well, I don't know. And she said, well, why I don't understand. Why did why did she pick her? What is it about her that's so special? And and he said, well, we don't know why they choose these these people. They they just do. And she goes, well, is she always going to be with her? Like after these classes are over, is your grandmother going to continue to be one of her guides?
What was this? A teacher's pet? What's going on with her?
It was just like bizarre. Yeah. And he, and he said, we don't know. That's all he said. So as the classes went on and I was there for five days taking these classes, as this went on, she was always kind of opposite of the semi circle from me.
And every time I began to talk about my experience through the exercises that we were doing, she would get up and leave the room. She didn't do that with anybody else. And during during the during the training, her her birthday occurred on one of the days. Everybody in the class got invited to the to her birthday party, including the instructor, but me.
Wow.
And so the next day when we came into class and I everybody was kind of talking about the night before and dinner and who ordered what and how much fun it was. And I guess they did some karaoke and everything. I just looked at her and I said, I hope you had a fabulous birthday. It's just to let her know. I know what you're about. Right? I know what you're about.
So What was her response to that?
She just smiled. She didn't she didn't say anything, but anytime she was in a group with me and we had to be in groups together a lot, She would never agree with anything. If I said something, she would disagree with it. It was just this competition. Yeah. Yeah.
She's a hater.
Competition over and over. Now I say this not because I dislike her. I didn't I didn't know her at all, but I can say with maybe a 100% accuracy, there wasn't a psychic bone in her body.
Yep. That's exactly right
Not a psychic bone in her. She wanted so desperately to be psychic, to be a medium. Spirit says, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
She was a muggle. For those of you who know Harry Potter, she sounds like a muggle. Right? She had no powers.
I was so excited about the experience I had because I for the first time outside of doing readings that I was validated by somebody who's been doing this for a lifetime, world renowned, traveling all over. And and I'm like, oh, this is great. I guess I was looking for validation from him.
Yeah. I was gonna ask acknowledged it, but did he acknowledge the pale and the Right.
He acknowledged all of it, but I think he really tried to play it. I don't wanna get overexcited about this, you know, because I don't wanna make it seem like she's outshining anybody in the class.
Okay. So yeah. So at the end of class, at the end of all the training, I quietly walked up to him and I said, thank you so much, you know, for everything. this has been such a profound experience for me. I I'm so excited to have met your grandmother, and he never met her. So me bringing her through in this whole training was quite an experience to validate the woman that he had only ever heard about. And so he never said, wow, you know, you're gifted. I'm so excited you took this class. You should really continue with this. I was looking for anything. Right? I was just No advice? I wanted to to feel, not the word special, but I just wanted to I wanted somebody in my community to say
But he gave you no advice?
And he gave me no validation, no advice. I even sent him an email after thanking him again. He never even acknowledged it. Never, never wrote back. You know, he could have very well said something in that email now that we're not in class, but he never acknowledged me at all.
And so I walked away from that like, am I supposed to be doing this? Is, you know, I went and did all this training and I connect to his grandmother. That's never happened to him in any of his trainings, and he can't even say thank you or I'm so glad you took this class. Wow. You should continue this. You're very gifted. Anything.
Thank you for the email. Like, I intuitively get that he was intimidated. Yeah. Right? And I'm not saying that to you because I'm your friend. Spirit just showed me throat chakra. Feelings got compromised with his throat chakra. Right?
Yeah.
Which is so funny that you just grabbed your throat when I said that.
I did.
And that's what I'm talking about. Like, how is it that a teacher is not supporting the student? I don't know what that is. And so it sounds like my experience when I reached out to the teacher for a reading, I'm gonna pay you.
Yeah.
Like, I think that we're pretty decent people, Missy. Don't think that we walk in and we kick the door open in the class and we're like, Where the hell's my seat? Get out of my way.
Right. I'm here. Yeah.
Like, we don't walk in with a cape, so I don't think it's us intimidating people or being obnoxious. Like, it's so interesting that your example sounds so similar to mine, but like even the teacher. So that's crazy to me. The idea that Spirit was like, Nope, hold her hand, right? And you're gonna walk Missy through this.
And I, and I obeyed. Right? That's, that's, that's our work. You know, I did a reading in Boca. I won't say who the psychic is. I remember when I realized that I had this gift and I said, yeah, I said in the reading, I'm thinking about doing this for a living. And she said, well, honestly, I see you doing this for your friends and family on the side, just for fun. And I was like, okay. And I, and the look on her face was how dare you think that you can do what I can do?
Yeah.
It's weird.
It really is. It's hurtful. Like I was hurt that here I am just enjoying these classes. I mean, I'm a sponge. I've I've traveled to California. I'm staying in a place by myself. I'm walking to the classes every day. I won't say where they were held because I will give it away, but I'm walking to the classes every day.
I'm walking more than a mile there and a mile back every single day, and I'm having them drive by me on the street and not offer me a ride. I think I mentioned something to you recently because I I had another experience. Is it me because I seem to be, and I use the word with you, I'm the common denominator. I'm the one that people seem to have the problem with. Is it me? What do I do? Tell me what it is that I'm doing and I'm going to stop doing it so people won't treat me this way. People, not just people in general. I'm talking about other psychics, you know, in this quote unquote community lacking unity, you know, I just keep going. Why is it that I go here and this person has a problem with me?
I go here and I'm singled out. And it can be very discouraging. And this is why some psychics, not all, but some psychics isolate. This is why they stay to themselves. This is why you don't see them out in public as much as rather than, you know, they're doing an event or something, but then they go home.
Yeah. And then they sit there because anytime that they come out, these are the things that we experience. I am not in competition with anybody. You're not in can you imagine if you and I are in competition with one another, what this podcast would sound like?
Right.
Well, it would be pretty funny, but it I'm just saying that if we were in competition with one another and you and I have read for the same people-
That's right.
And they get a different experience with you and they get a different experience with me. But neither of us are concerned about that because what we realized and what I've realized is that we're sovereign beings and people have a right to go anywhere that they choose and sit with anyone on their healing journey. You don't own people.
Right. And I encourage my clients. I encourage them to read with other psychists because sometimes it's nice to get a different perspective. I had a client that was offended that I suggested that to her. She was like, Are you trying to get rid of me? I'm like, No, I just want you to have peace. And if you somewhat feel like you need a little bit more validation, I just want you to know that that's okay. There are not a lot of psychics that would say that out loud.
Nope.
I mean, Missy and I, we send each other clients without a hesitation. I had a client years ago who lost her husband and she just wasn't in a good space And I knew she needed a lot of detail. And I know Missy is very detailed in her mediumship readings. And I sent her to Missy without hesitation. And so I don't know what it is to say, well, I'm not going to tell this client about Missy because I don't want to lose my client, buddy.
The abundance is going to come when you share. Right. I just, I don't know. I don't have that, that competitive spirit. I just always think that you do good on others and it will come to you.
And it's what you put out is what you get back. And so I wanna, I wanna put out, you know, abundance. I want to help. I, you know, I want everyone to experience, you know, prosperity, you know? I I that's just the way that I operate.
And I'm wondering if our experience in the corporate world has something to do with this. I I don't know. You know, I've always done things above board, you know, with with integrity, with putting the best foot forward. And I honestly thought walking away from the corporate world where there's so much competition, there's so much cutthroat, there's stepping on you, you know, to get to the next level, there's going behind your back and complaining to the boss, there's all those things. I Thought walking away from that, that I could leave it behind.
And I'm I stepped out of that world into this world, and there's just as much of it that goes on.
Yeah. You know, I remember when I was in high school, I couldn't wait to go to college so I could be around adults. And then I get to college, I'm like, God, I can't wait to get into the real world and deal with, like, decent people. And then you get to the real world and you're like, Oh my God. Like, this is it.
Like it's the same thing. Like I wanna believe that when I left corporate America and the grind and the stepping over each other was very different than the spiritual world, our spiritual world. And it wasn't. I remember keeping my distance because of the comments like the blankie and why is she so busy. And then I remember watching an intuitive hearing my intro to a client at the Fair.
We had, you know, our we're pretty close to each other. And then she got someone and repeated everything I said. And that listen. That's okay if you wanna borrow something. But to be calling like, this is my blankie, you're making fun of me.
Like what it shows me is that you wanna emulate me. There's something within me that you like, and it's a little intimidating. I wanna be careful with my words, but you gotta get out of your ego because you obviously admire something within me. You're listening. You're taking away.
They say imitation is the best form of flattery. I don't care. Take it. If you're kind, I don't care. So when they would treat me a certain way and then they'd look and I'd hear them say, Oh, how many more appointments do you have? And Oh, I'm booked until the end of the fair. And then you'd see it on their face. And I'm just like, dude, stop worrying about me.
Yeah. Like, go put yourself out there and go sell yourself in front of the clients. So then after the fair, they'd say, Hey, you want to go grab a drink with us? No, no, actually I don't. And then me saying no, I get the looks and then the whispers. Now Denise thinks she's better than us.
No, Denise is preserving her energy. I'm trying to protect myself right now. I don't want to hang out with people that I don't trust.
It's kind of like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Right. It's like if you're just trying to stay in your energy, protect your own energy, then someone mistreats you. Then they turn around and go, Hey, you want to go grab a bite to eat? You're like, No, thank you.
Then they think you have a problem and that you're too good, that, Oh, you must think really highly of yourself. It's really win. I remember doing this Healing Arts Fair when I first moved to, Arizona, and it's quite a small room. And so we all had tables set up where we were next to each other. And now it's a yoga room, and we had all these tables really close to each other.
So, you know, me to the next person is maybe two feet away, two and a half feet away. So when you're doing readings, you really have to focus on your reading and being in that and tune out all the stuff that's going on around you. And I remember giving a reading to this woman and a message came up for her. And then I hear the woman next to me go, That's exactly what I got. That's exactly what I just heard.
And I turn her direction and I go, What? And she goes, What you're telling her, that's everything I'm getting. And I was like, Oh my God, this woman actually thinks I need help doing my readings. Like I was so offended that she interrupted my reading like that, and it kind of then threw me off. And so I turned back to the client and I go, I apologize for that. Let's continue where we left off. And then I was busy all day long. I mean, person after all day long. And I was always one of the, like, maybe, like, the second or third people there to set up, and I was always always felt comfortable with the energy in the back far corner. And I was always the last person to leave. So that night, I saw her at a New Year's Eve celebration.
And she I did so I didn't get a chance to talk to her, you know, after the event because she had already left. I was sitting on the couch and she came over to me and she goes, oh, yeah. You know, about about today, I didn't mean to interrupt your reading. And I looked her right in the face and I said, yes, yes, you did. And I said, please don't ever do that again.
And I said, It's not about me. You're confusing the client. Like, should I be listening to Missy through Spirit? Should I be listening to Spirit through you? And I said, It just becomes confusing for the client.
It's just unprofessional though.
And I said, and besides that, it's wrong, period. It's wrong. I accept your apology, but from this point forward, please don't ever do that again to me.
You know, it wasn't about you. It was about ego. She needed some form of validation. You've got to know who's got your back and who doesn't. Right? Like I will not engage people who I know don't have my back. I won't work with people who I know that they feel intimidated by me.
It's gonna rub off. I remember doing a reading for one of the intuitives that I used to work with and she always had a chip on her shoulders. Always. I don't know what it was about me she couldn't stomach. She was actually the one that said, why is she always busy? Like, what kind of question is that? What do you mean why is she always busy? That's your problem, right? This is why you lack. I remember at the end of one of the fairs, was like, Hey, you wanna do a quick reading for me?
There you go. So I was like, Yeah, sure. Come on. She sat down. I had just put everything away, took everything out for her, did a reading and Spirit said she has to reinvent herself because her business is not doing well.
Yeah.
And Missy, if you saw the look on her face, she looked at me like, who do you think you are? And she said, and I kid you not, I've been doing this for twenty years. I don't have to reinvent anything.
Yeah.
And I thought, okay, what do you do with people like that? You do nothing. Then I continued to give her the reading. It was only like a thirty minute reading. And as she got up, she went over to another psychic and asked if she could borrow $20 so she can get gas to go home. Right. You couldn't even humble yourself in front of me. How crazy is that?
Yeah. You know, the problem I have with that is she comes to you. She wants a reading. And sometimes I feel like, is this part of the setup?
Yep.
Just so I can come and sit in front of you and deny, deny, deny, you down a notch
yeah, to figure out why is she so busy. Yeah. Why is she busy?
Yeah. Me let me see what let me see what she's telling people. Yeah. let me see what her shtick is.
Right. Show me what you got. Right?
Yeah. like You're a gimmick. I call these like you're a party favor. Remember? We were talking about that the other day, being a party favor. I'm not just here, you know, as a parting gift
listen, she wants to scope out our competition. Okay. And your competition was super honest and you were offended. Like if you have to borrow $20 from somebody just to get to work, guess what? It kind of makes sense why Spirit says you have to reinvent yourself. You've been doing it for twenty years. You clearly haven't been doing it successfully.
I think too that it's important that that our listeners understand that this isn't about us placing ourselves on a pedestal, that we're trying to be, you know, better than anybody. While we might have the same gifts, clairvoyance, clairaudience, it is all in how spirit chooses to use those gifts through us. We've talked about the spiritual Rolodex, you know, connecting the dots and playing charades and how we see things and how we interpret that. It is all based on what my life experiences have been, what Denise's experiences have been, where our battle wounds are and our scars. It's like having enough life underneath your belt to hold these gifts in reverence rather than holding them in ego.
You have to go through a lot. I get humbled all the time. There are plenty of times where I am reading for someone and like the first five minutes I'm not hitting anything. I'm like, Oh my God, what's going on? You know, am I off today?
And, and you know, I just, I just keep at it because I know spirit is going to at some point find something where we then can connect. But there are times where I feel I don't want to push the reading if I feel like the energetic channel isn't open for us to be working together. So there are times that I've had to say, Hey, I would, I think you're going to be better going with somebody else today. I don't know if this channel isn't open.
Yeah. You gotta have humility.
absolutely
You got to have humility. If a client says to me, Hey. And a client said this recently, she was like, Yeah, you told me that this was gonna happen in April, but you told me it was gonna happen in 2025. It happened April 2026. And I was like, Oh, shoot. Right? What do I say? Sorry. Right?
Like, can't imagine having a chip on my shoulder and being offended that the client is confronting me. Man, I missed that one, right? Because we're not all 100%, I want to go back on what you said. Like, you you have to have a good heart doing this work. I mean, I don't know any other way to say it, right?
Have to have a good heart doing this work. Have to come from a good place in doing this work. You have to genuinely want to help people to do healing work. There's no time for egos. You just don't have time for it. I think about how many intuitives I've gotten jobs. And I mean real jobs, like they're now making an extra $2,000 a month kind of job.
Yeah.
But then if they have an event, they wouldn't pick up the phone and say, Hey, I need an intuitive. Why? Because they think I'm gonna outshine them. That's crazy thinking to me, Yeah. Right? And I am thinking about a particular person when I say this. I am, because then she
It's not me.
It's definitely not Missy. I looked out for her. I put a lot of money in her pocket and someone came to her for this huge event down in Miami. It was like easily a $5,000 night. And she was super excited because she really needed the money. And they said, bring another intuitive that you think is amazing or just as good as you. She didn't call me.
Yeah.
And you know what she said? Well, you're doing well. So yeah, that was her response. You're doing well
I usually get that. Well, I didn't think you'd would want to come.
Yeah. But it's not about the money. Denise is fine. So she asked someone who had less talent, which by the way, they're not even speaking today. Like, do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah. Like
come from a good place because what would make you say, well, Denise is doing fine. She doesn't need the money. I would never think that. I don't care how much money you make, Missy. You could make $500,000 a year. Someone says, hey, yet know anybody that's a good psychic that I could fly out and come and do this event? You're the first person I'm gonna think of because I know you're amazing at what you do. And I believe Yeah. Go ahead.
How many times have I been like, you should move to Arizona?
I know.
You should come to Arizona.
Missy's trying to recruit me
If you were in Sedona, we oh my gosh, girl. We would
I know. We'd we'd the show, but we steal it collectively, The people that we're surrounded by, we embrace, we support. And I'm sad that we're even doing an episode like this. I'm not even kidding. Like I looked at the subject title today and I just, I got sad thinking about it. I don't want people to think it's such a horrible industry.
Yeah.
But I think in every industry you have to be cautious. You want to surround yourself with good people, just like whether you're in corporate America, you know, who sucks and who doesn't, know which boss is full of it and who isn't. You know who's fake and phony, right?
Yeah.
You have to do the same thing in your healing work. I don't care if it's Reiki, massage therapy, psychic work. I think it was very shocking for me. And then when you came into the industry, it was shocking for you, right? You'd call me and be like, Denise, so and so, this happened. And I'm like, yep, sounds about right.
You're like, yep, get over Yep, sounds about right. Continue happening.
You've gotta protect yourself. You know, I had a mentor, for a short period of time and I started to notice that more popular I became, the more uneasy he became. And I thought that was so weird. I thought that was so weird because I don't think like that. Listen, it's kind of like, and this may sound obnoxious, but like, you know, the pretty girl syndrome, like all pretty girls wanna hang out with the pretty girls.
All the sports girls wanna hang out with the sports girls, Right? I I remember Travis Hunter, who plays for the Jacksonville Jaguars at the time he was at Colorado, they asked one of the wide receivers like, what made you and Travis become such good friends? And he was like, because he was amazing.
Yeah. Yep.
And I wanted to be surrounded by greatness. Right? Yep. Well, that's kinda how I feel. Like, why would you not wanna surround yourself with someone who's good at what we do?
Yeah.
That's weird to me. Like, boast about you all the time. I'm like, Oh, you wanna hear about a really good medium? You should check out Missy Taylor. I wanna be surrounded by who I think is great and has proper intentions and everything that they do. I can't imagine shying away from that because I'm not as great. John Holland, the medium, he said, this work that we do, it's kind of like basketball. He said, you know, anybody can learn how to play basketball. Anybody can learn how to dribble. Some people have to sit on the bench. Some people just have what it takes. That's psychic medium work. Everybody's at different levels. So stop competing.
Missy's Michael Jordan and I'm sitting on the bench, then I'm gonna practice until I can try to emulate and be like Missy because she comes from a good place and she's great at what she does. The idea that that concept goes over many people's heads is very baffling to me.
Yeah. And I think too, it's the spiritual path opens up differently for everybody. Like, my pathway is different than Denise's, then the next person, then the next person, then the next person. And I have people who I do readings for, and they have prophetic dreams. That's something, Denise, you've experienced.
I I've never really experienced that. I mean Right. Could I if I was that competitive person, I'd say, well, that that really isn't anything. You you shouldn't pay attention to it. That that doesn't mean anything and blah blah blah.
But I don't. I'm like, that is so cool. I've never experienced that. And then I like when they get to open up about it and share it with me because I'm all about learning about it. You know? So a lot of people look at that as, well, why can't I have that? How come that doesn't happen for me? Why can't I be gifted like that? And they look at it as that they're less than. So, and once they look at it as well, I'm less than this other person.
That's where the insecurities, then they tear down other people, you know, misery loves company, that kind of thing. I want everyone to, to know what their gifts are, you know, to know how to use their intuition and teaching those things. Want that so much, you know, for people, you know, for the community. I have trying experiences with male psychics. So this isn't just about female female or women women.
I've experienced this male to female. Has that ever happened to you? Even men in the industry kind of treating you a little bit differently?
No. I don't think I have any specific. I don't really have a specific I I well, I had an issue with the male, but he thought he was intuitive. He wasn't very wasn't very intuitive, but he was very business driven. And I remember he would make comments like, Oh, you psychics are so sensitive. You guys are just so sensitive. I'm like, yeah, that's how we're able to do our work. You know, my whole life people said, we're, you're so sensitive. She's so sensitive. Yeah.
But it's me being that sensitive that allows me to do what I do today. So I find that as a compliment, but I remember him making those comments, but, yeah, I haven't really had an experience. How about you?
Yes, I have. And it was very uncomfortable. I never really had what I would call interactions with this person, not on a daily basis. I would see them at a particular event that I would go to. And this person is very calculated in the way that he treats me and the way that he talks to me.
It's been very hurtful. And I'm trying to learn through you and some of the things that we talked about to kind of let it go. But I just found that he was questioning my commitment to this work, all kinds of, really nasty things, calling me emotional. And I said, well, I'm a sensitive, and I'm glad I'm sensitive because it allows me to to do this work.
What made him say such things to you?
Because my light shines brighter than his does.
There you go. Good answer.
I mean that's the only thing I can think of is that Yeah. It's like I'm the sun, and it's like trying to look into the sun and it hurts your eyes. I think that's what he sees when he looks at me. When he said, well, you're you're so emotional. And I said, I you're right. I am. You're right. I am. I'm emotional and I'm sensitive and I'm glad I am because then I can do this work. You're never here. I never see you. No, I'm here. It's just that I'm busy doing readings. That's why you don't see me.
Right.
I'm off doing my readings.
Spirit just said, you're, you're, you're on it. It's, this is intimidation and this is insecurity. Right? It's really going to boil down to that eventually.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
It stems and that, and listen, I don't want people to think like, oh, every time somebody doesn't like you guys, you think they're insecure. Yes. No, I'm just kidding. It's not necessarily that, but as intuitive as we know better. It's kind of like my daughter who tried to lie to me the other day. I'm like, you know I'm psychic, right? And she started laughing. Like, we're not assuming that this is happening. We intuitively know. Like, it's so funny that I'm playing with a deck in my hands as we're talking and the card that popped out says crown chakra. Like, that's just spirit validating. Like, we know there's an all knowing there, right? This is why we do what we do. Like, you can't BS a BS meter.
Yeah. I think it's important that that people understand it's not it's not Missy and Denise picking out, you know, people that we don't get along with. It has nothing to do with this. The whole reason for us talking about this today is to really shine a light on the fact that just because you're all healers and you're love, your light, it doesn't mean that everybody has your back. It doesn't mean that everybody wants you to be successful. It doesn't mean that everybody wants you to shine. Some people that are not I don't wanna say just insecure, but maybe they're they're still growing. They're still learning. I don't know. I'm still growing. I'm still learning.
Exactly. I was just gonna say including us.
Remember when two weeks after you revealed everything to me, I I sent you an email and I was like, hey. I think I'm almost there. And you're like, you're never gonna be there. Right? That meant to me like, okay. I've got a lot of growing to do. And boy, where I am now eight and a half years later from having that reading with you, my readings have transformed exponentially.
But I don't want do the readings, but think about the knowledge, right? That you have accumulated and just through readings, you've learned about yourself and your craft.
Absolutely. So I want people to understand this isn't about Missy and Denise having a problem with people that, you know, don't wanna put the spotlight on us. It has nothing to do with that. You have to be ready to do this work because it's not only is it exhausting from an emotional standpoint, but it can challenge you mentally. It can challenge you spiritually, and it can challenge you from who is for you, who is not for you, who who do you you know, who matches your vibration, who doesn't match your vibration. I mean, there's this navigation that goes on twenty four seven. You have to be on high alert with everything that you do, you know?
And this work that we do, don't you want to surround yourself with good people? It's so, it's so much energetically, right? It's so energetically depleting. Just last night, I was like, God, I think I lost a friend because I missed a text. And sometimes people think, oh, well, you know, you're ignoring me or you're like, no, sometimes when I'm done with my evening, I'm done.
Right? So the last thing I wanna do is get on the phone and chitchat or go through 15 personal text messages. Like, I'll just do it in the morning, but I missed something that was super important to someone that I really love and care about. And so I felt bad and, and, and I apologize. That makes me human. Right?
Yeah.
And I gotta tell you, if I'm walking this journey, this healing journey, I wanna know that I've got rat or dies around me. I wanna know that my healers aren't competing with me, that we're looking out for each other. We're uplifting each other. We're holding each other's hands. We're holding each other accountable in the work that we do.
How many times have we had to give each other constructive criticism in how we do things and the way we handle a client or the way we don't handle a client? Like I need that. We need that support. And so, I really hope that this episode today really, shined a light on the reality of, of your everyday walk. This is not just our world, but it is shocking when we see so much disparity and lack of community. What was the phrase you said in the beginning, Missy? Said that line.
Community that's missing the unity or community without yeah. Community without unity. Yeah.
I love that. Miss Missy Jesse Jackson. Community without unity. So guides, I wanted to pull, I think I said guides. I meant to say guys. Hey guys. So I want to pull a card unless you had anything else you want to share, Missy?
Nope. Nope.
Yeah, you're good.
I'm good.
You're a soldier. Card I got today. No, you are. Everything you're dealing with right now, you're a soldier. The card I got says earth angel for the collective, so fitting. And the bottom of the card says you are a light worker who has come to earth to teach about love. I think that is so fitting for what we talked about. If you, I mean, talk about synchronicity, right? If you put love first in everything that you do, you will not tolerate anything less than. You just won't.
So what some people may think I'm being a B I T C H because I didn't wanna have drinks with them afterwards. Nope, because I come from a place of love and they don't, And I don't wanna mingle. Right? And not for nothing, but I really, and I should do this more often. I used do it a lot back in the day.
I always imagine myself when I'm in a crowd or I start to feel certain energy that doesn't feel right. I will always surround myself in a pink bubble and I will envision this pink bubble protecting me, bubble of love, right? So that I can be able to get through what I need to get through. If you're a massage therapist and you've got a coworker that's nasty, competitive, in your face, rude, throw that bubble around you. It's a powerful protector. It's a powerful protector.
I, I totally agree with that. Or just carry a massive piece of black tourmaline with you. No, I'm kidding.
In your bra.
In your bra or if you're a guy, you know, in your pants pocket.
Yeah. I hope you guys, walk away from this, taking something positive from it that will allow you to be cautious in a good way. Yeah. Okay. Missy and I, we like to end our shows usually talking about where you can find us and we realize it's in our description.
We won't bore you guys with that every week. But one thing that I realized we don't share is that we do private readings. So if you go on my website, you can fill out a form if you need me for a party or like a girl's getaway or things of that sort. Missy does sound healing, mediumship readings, psychic readings, all that good stuff. You wanna share with them?
Yeah. So I also do, private readings as Denise mentioned. For those who come to the local area, for me, and I know Denise, you're in Florida, I'm in Arizona, but I do sound healings as well. Yeah, And, group readings. I love the girls trips. I've done ton of those at the Airbnbs here in Sedona. That's one of my favorite things to do. But yeah, so private readings through my website as well.
And I'm in South Florida. So Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach. That's my hood. All right guys. Thank you so much for joining us today. And, we are so blessed. Our numbers have been doing really well. Thank you so much for subscribing. Please like, share. And one other thing, readings on live. We got some submissions. Thank you guys for the submissions. We were so pleasantly surprised and we will reach out to one of you shortly.
Mhmm. Sounds good. So just stay tuned with that. We will be announcing it on a an episode Yeah. And also reaching out to that person directly. So we really appreciate you being here with us today. We love you guys. Until next time. Bye.
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