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I'm Intuitive. Now What?

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In this episode of The Woo Woo Channeling Crew, Denise and Missy dive into the tender, exhilarating, and sometimes overwhelming journey of realizing you’re intuitive — and figuring out what comes next. They unpack the emotional labor, self‑doubt, and energetic responsibility that come along with stepping into intuitive work, especially for those considering the leap into professional practice. Through personal stories and grounded wisdom, they explore why intuition doesn’t have to become a career to be meaningful, and how honoring your gifts can look a thousand different ways. Whether you’re feeling called to serve others or simply learning to trust your own inner voice, this conversation offers clarity, compassion, and permission to follow the path that’s right for you. So glad you're here! 


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Missy

Hey, guys. This is Missy.

Denise

And I'm Denise, and we are the Woo Woo Channeling Crew. Thank you so much for joining us today.

Missy

We really appreciate that you're here. And if you haven't already chosen to follow us, please do so. And also feel free to share our episodes. I think we have a really great topic today because I think it's something that you and I had to come to terms with. Right?

Denise

Yeah. We're going to talk about what do you do when you realize that you're an intuitive? So our topic today is I'm intuitive. Now what? What do we do with this gift? And are we supposed to do something with this gift that we have?

And I've said this before, we're all intuitive. People have different levels and layers of what their intuition looks like. Today we're going to talk about being very honest about what your gift is, what your capabilities are and what you should do with it, whether you should make it a profession. Maybe it's something you just incorporate in your everyday walk at work, dealing with family. So I want to try to define or help you guys define today what this ability is that I have and what I should do with it.

Missy

Yeah. Should you go pro in other words, should you, should you do this professionally? Are you built for doing it professionally?

Denise

I think a lot of people think that this is pretty easy work. I gotta be honest with you. I literally had a client say to me one day, God, I wish I had your job. It must be so cool to just sit and talk to people all day. And I thought, is that what you think I'm doing? Is that what you really think I'm doing? And I said, yeah, I may make it look easy, but it's not easy. And so I think today's going to be a great episode in teaching you how to define what you think is easy, right?

What you really believe psychic intuitive, work is. Missy, tell me why you thought this was a good idea.

Missy

Well, as you know, the short end of that is because you told me to, right? No, I never felt at home in the corporate world. Never ever, ever. And I did that for thirty five years. It really was you.

I've shared this story so many times with other people because I get the question, and I'm sure you do too, of, well, how did you get started in this? And it wasn't like I woke up one day and I said, gosh, you know, I'm really good at guessing things like, you know, oh, coincidences. Or I, hey, I have really good discernment. You know, my my bull crap meter is really, really good. Or, I can read people or it's not that simple. I wish it was that simple, but being in the corporate world, let me tell you, this is not easier. That's the spoiler alert. This is not easier being a psychic intuitive and a medium and being ready to hold the weight of other people's healing, being called to use professionally. So it really was through my reading with you that you said, Hey, you know, in three to five years, you're not going to be doing this anymore. And I said, what's this?

And you said the corporate world. And I think at the time it was a relief, but I still didn't understand how I was going to be utilizing my gifts moving forward because they had just been revealed to me. And I was still learning what clairaudient meant, what clairsentient meant, what clairvoyancy was, what claircognizance was, what even mediumship was. But, I guess I was at a point in my life where I was so unhappy in the corporate world that I figured, what do I have to lose? Let me see where this journey can take me and just learning to surrender.

And that's the biggest, I think for me, was about surrendering and trusting that I am being called into this work. Like, it was so undeniable. It's more than just having the gift. It's more than not wanting to be in a traditional job. It's more than wanting freedom. It's more than wanting, you know, to help people. It is the ability to hold these gifts in reverence, not in ego. And, you know, learning what the the difference is. It has not been easy. You know that.

It has not been an easy journey for me, even though I know that I am gifted And I know that I'm supposed to do this work, but it's been an uphill , downhill, uphill, downhill, an emotional roller coaster days that I call I'd call you crying because I didn't understand what was happening or where I was supposed to be, what I was supposed to be doing. Does that make sense to you?

Denise

Yeah. And just being overwhelmed. It's such, it's so overwhelming. Right? Growing up and I I've used examples in other episodes, but you know, just little things here and there that started happening a lot. Never thought it was anything psychic related, you know, catching a boyfriend cheating because a voice said to me, get back on that subway train and go back to his house in Brooklyn.

I know what you don't want to do, but we're telling you, you have to do this. And so there were those moments where I was like, wow, what, what was it that made me do that? Right. I just, I just kept seeing little nuggets. I call it like, Hansel and Gretel.

Like I just kept getting breadcrumbs and I'd grab one and then I'd follow the next and I'd follow the next. But when I really had an inkling, I went to someone who I didn't even realize wasn't intuitive. He was like a supplement guy. He literally said to me, you have no idea how special you are. It's all he kept saying.

And then he proceeded to talk about what's going on with my kidneys. He had no medical information, which is what makes him so amazing. And then he said, you had to let go of your life. You had to move. He just started saying all these things about my life.

And when he kept saying, you know, you're so special in about three years, you're going to learn what I mean by that. And I can look back now and it's like, if he had said to me in three years, you're going to realize that you're a psychic intuitive and you're going to quit corporate America and you're going to help others. All he kept saying is you're going to help thousands and thousands and thousands of people and you're going to change their lives. And I remember thinking, God, well, am I going to go back to performing? Maybe I will go back to New York.

Like I was going through all these things and it was right around 2009 is when it hit me. I looked at his notes and I went back and I was like, holy cow. What he was trying to say to me was you are going to be a psychic intuitive. That's going to help thousands and thousands and thousands of people. And you're nowhere near your life's purpose.

At that time, I wasn't living my life's purpose. And so when I had that to hold onto, and then I started to see the psychic abilities coming through, And I went through a very tumultuous time in my life where I had no choice but to sit still and listen to the voice of God. And it was so clear to me. And then it was like the floodgates, Boom, boom, boom. And then my friend, Jenna, she was my biggest cheerleader.

She was like, you've got this. Like, I'm telling you, you got this. And she would call me and I'd pull cards for her. And then I shared with a family member and I would pull cards for her and it was all fun and games until one day Jennifer said to me, I'm going to get you a client and I'm going see what you can do with it. And I was like, what?

No, I'm scared. And I did it. My first paid client. I know her name. I won't say her name out loud, but I knew right then and they're like, oh my gosh, like this is going to be a career.

And I remember having my calendar, it was just like a monthly calendar and I got it specifically for readings and I'd have one client for the month of February. And I was like, so excited. Then the next month I've had three. I was so excited. And then the next month I'd have one and I was still excited because I could not believe that people were willing to pay me for what I was doing.

And then I would pray and I'd say, listen, by next year, I'm going to have five a month. Like I put that on myself. And I remember looking at my calendar and thinking there's going to be a day where I'm going to be booked. And within two years it happened. What I want to also share is that not everybody's going to have that story where Missy, you had me to tell you, right?

I had my friend, Jennifer, who motivated me. There are a lot of people that don't have that. And they're wondering, do I have what it takes? And this is why I think this episode is really going to change. And I am going to use the word lives.

It's going to change lives because there are a lot of people that I'm sure that are listening who think it's just a hobby and they should be doing something with it. And then you've got people like I had a client who insisted that she was absolutely fabulous. I am fabulous when I pull cards. She used the word amazing. And Spirit was like, she has no business doing readings.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

Yeah. So you can imagine how hard that reading was where I had to try and do my best to not burst her bubble, but to guide her in a direction that I knew was going to make sense to her life.

Missy

Yeah. And I think there's, there's so much that can happen all at once. And that was the scary part for me. It was having a phone reading with you, you revealing that I had these gifts, and three days later having dead people lined up at my desk at work. And I had no idea that they were dead.

I'm carrying on a conversation with them like, they just missed the receptionist desk at my office. How'd they get back to me? No, I came directly to you. You need to take me to my niece. I'm here to see her.

Me walking in like plain as day, Hey, your aunt Eloise is here. I don't know how she got to my desk. And seeing my coworker's eyes get really big and go, What are you talking about? My aunt Eloise is dead. And then the smack upside the head was, Oh my God. What am I? Holy moly. What am I doing? This is unbelievable. And then having to explain to her, Well, see three days ago I was Missy. Now I'm a medium, you know?

Denise

Seventy two hours is what, I mean, Missy, you know what that tells me? Your gift was at the tip of your tongue. It was at the tip of your sight. I didn't mean to cut you off, but I just, I find your story to be so fascinating. It's kind of like saying to somebody, hey. You know, you're supposed to be a race car driver. And they're like, what? I drive a 1997 Corolla, and then three days later, they're at, you know, the Formula one. That's what it felt like watching those three days for you.

Missy

Yeah. It was quite something even for me. I can remember standing in front of my bathroom mirror and looking in the mirror going, Me? Really? This is what I'm supposed to be doing? And then I started to look back kind of over my life. Like, were there signs? I was looking for the signs. I was looking for the validation that, yes, in fact, this is what I'm supposed to be doing. And I was trying to compartmentalize and make sense of it all because the trajectory, it was like a a jet taking off.

That's how it felt to me. And I was trying to hang on for dear life. And I'm trying to understand what the Clair's meaning, how I'm using it, what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing. I had, like, I literally had no clue. That's why everyone that kind of has intuition or we all again, we've said everyone has it, but it comes to us just differently.

And mine unraveled in such a a magnificent way that it was undeniable. I knew that this is what was supposed to happen in my life. And you're right. There was something on the tip of my tongue two weeks previous. I'm crying out to God going, I know this is not what you have meant for my life.

I cannot sit behind this desk. I'm gonna rot. I know you have a bigger plan for me. I don't know what it is, but you better figure it out because I know there's something more that is meant for me. And then all the things that fell into place for me to even meet you and to have the reading with you. And then I always say, you changed the trajectory of my life. In that phone call, that's how quickly it had changed, but it was so undeniable. And I mentioned kinda looking back over my life, and I was looking for examples of ways that intuition showed up for me, you know, knowing that a guy that I started dating in college, I knew his, you know, that he was seeing his, you know, we called him hometown honey, that he was still seeing his hometown honey.

Or I knew I could feel in my bones when my boss was gonna call me into his office and say something to me. I just knew the undeniable part to it. Right? That's just where you just know you're meant to use it in a bigger way, but it's not going to be just for you. And that's when I knew that's the part that was different for me. I just knew it wasn't a gift I could keep for myself.

Denise

Right.

Missy

It was a gift that is meant to be given, but you have to make sure that when you are given those gifts, are you ready to give them? Are you ready to share them? Because there's so there's the emotional labor, right? So maybe expand on that a little bit more.

Denise

Yeah. And how do you know if you have what it takes? Right. Sony show has a psychic quiz and I love giving that psychic quiz when I give classes on understanding your ability, because I'll say things like, there have been numerous times in my life where I sensed someone was going to call me and then they did. Right. Like little things like that.

I remember the first time someone said, find five examples of something that happened supernatural or paranormal. And I had 30 by the time I was done. Right. I can look back on my behavior. One of my best friends, Melanie, growing up, she said to me, do you remember I used to sit in your backyard by the pool and you would look up in the sky and you start talking about the universe?

I don't have any recollection of that. But I love that because the universe is one of my favorite subjects. I could talk about it for hours. And yet I was doing that at 16 and I don't even remember that.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

I think about my mom giving me a book when I was in college, she got me this whole encyclopedia about archangels. And I remember asking her, what made you give me this? And she's like, Denise, you've been talking about angels since you were a little girl. I don't remember that.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

So it's so nice to hear these nuggets. That's the right. I call it the, the, the Hansel and Gretel breadcrumbs. Just these little things. I can go back and say, wow. I remember, at the age of 11, waking up one day, I'd just moved to Florida and I woke up and I remember just looking up into my ceiling and thinking, how do I know that I am not sleeping right now and when I'm sleeping, I'm awake? How do I know that this might not be the reality? The reality is when I'm sleeping. What would make an 11 year old sit for and ponder that for thirty minutes?

Right? So I can look back and say, wow, I was kind of a deep thinker. Another, just a really quick example that my mom reminded me of in my older age, there was a girl in high school who was suicidal and my teacher asked me to walk her to the principal's office and school's pretty large. So it took us a good five to seven minutes just to walk to the front office. And by the time we got to the guidance counselor, she asked the guidance counselor, is it okay if I just sit and talk to Denise?

And the guidance counselor was like, sure. So they gave me a conference room and I sat with her for an hour and a half.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

My mom reminded me of that. She said, you came home from school and you were telling me about it Like it was nothing. And then you like walked away and went to your room. And my mom said, I knew there was something special about that moment. And I knew there was something special about that story.

She couldn't pinpoint what it meant, but she knew it was something special. I can look back and say, wow, there's something about me that comforts people. Right? I keep telling those who like want to pull Oracle cards when I teach a class on how to read. You guys, it's not just about pulling cards.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

Like, you've gotta be able to know how to talk to people and you know, it's kinda like when you see a superstar on TV, it's like some of them just have that it factor. Like a lot of times you've got to have that it factor. I have a student who is amazing at pulling cards, but she's not a talker. Yeah.

She pulls and it's fabulous and she's on point, but just to kind of have the dialogue, she's a little shy. And so I encouraged her to be a psychic that's online, like on Etsy, that can pull four cards for you and give me one question and I can answer that question for you. I saw the talent and knew where she would shine and she shines so much better by just throwing the cards, giving a simple response and that's it. Right? So you have to figure out, do I have what it takes? Right? Am I personable? I, do I make people comfortable? A lot of our work, especially Missy and your mediumship, it's asking spirit a lot of questions. We're not just hearing everything like we are internally while you're sitting in front of us or on the phone with us, we're asking questions.

We've got the client in front of us. We have to make sure we have a bubble of compassion around them and love as we're pulling. We're having a dialogue with spirit quietly. And then we have to look at what's going on in our third eye. And this is all happening simultaneously. I'm telling you guys right now, this is not easy work. It's

Missy

There's a difference between reading for friends and reading for clients. Right? Because I feel like with your friends, they're more tolerant if maybe you don't have the exact answer.

Denise

And we're we're a little bit more comfortable with them.

Missy

More comfortable. Oh, yeah. For sure. I also feel like this job requires energy, not just you connecting with energy, but it requires your own energy to be on point. You have to have that consistency even on low energy days because you have the responsibility of holding someone's heart, their grief, their hope, their anger, you're holding all of it. You have to be able to create the energetic boundaries for yourself.

And the way to tie this all together is there's emotional labor that goes along with this job. And just because you you know, we're we're naming all these things and you're thinking, yes. I have that. Yes. I have that. I it it doesn't mean that intuition has to equal a vocation. So it doesn't have to become something professional. It's just that the signs for Denise and I were undeniable that this had to become something professional. I had someone recently say, hey. I have a friend. Do you think, you know, they should do this because they have really good discernment? And I was like, gosh. You know, that's not really a yes or no question. Would need to sit down and have a conversation to really dig a little bit deeper to

And we all have discernment. Right? Yeah. Exact exactly. And I don't want people to think that doing it professionally is the only way for you to honor the gift of intuition that you have. It doesn't have to turn into something professional for you to honor this amazing gift. Would you agree with that?

Denise

No, 100%. I heard a woman say the other day she was like eight months pregnant and her husband came home from work. He's like, You didn't cook dinner. You didn't do this. I thought you said you were going to call the tax guy and do And she said to him, I'm sorry.

I'm creating an entire human being right now. And I loved it because it's very different than when you say, I'm eight months pregnant, I'm tired, I have brain fog. She's like, Yeah, no, my body is literally creating an entire human being. It takes it to a whole another level, right? Yes.

And that's kinda how I feel with our work. Like when people think it's so easy, it's like, no, no, no. I am literally raising my vibration to match spirit that is lowering their vibration so that we can find a happy medium where I can hear them clearly and I can connect. People don't realize the toll it takes on our body, our mind, our soul, and our spirit. They don't truly get it.

When I first started doing readings, I would do three readings and I would hibernate. I literally called it a hibernation. Three readings and then I would sleep for like five hours immediately. And I remember saying to Spirit, I don't know if I can do this work. And Spirit would always say, Chop, chop.

This is Psychic Boot Camp. They showed me as a soldier on the ground with the elbows and they kept saying Psychic Boot Camp. They kept telling me, Build your stamina. Make sure you're cleansing yourself properly. You'll only surround yourself with healthy people. Spirit would give me the discernment. But I just wanted to explain, it's just, it's not that easy. So when I had a client who said, you know, God, I wish I had your job. You just get to sit and talk to people all day. Guess what?

Yeah. We're not sitting and talking to people all day. We are talking to people. We are connecting with spirit. It's so all encompassing and it's exhausting.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

You shared something with me the other day, Missy, about how exhausted you were from like a week of just nonstop.

Missy

Oh my gosh. It was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. And I think I said to you, I did something like 35 readings in those those four days.

Denise

You learned your lesson. Right?

Missy

I'm sorry?

Denise

You learned your lesson. Right?

Missy

Yeah. And I was so exhausted. And thank God I wasn't driving. As you know, I work in Sedona and I wasn't driving. I was taking the shuttle and I really felt like, am I mumbling to myself?

Because I was trying to balance. My energy was so depleted. And I think that's what people don't understand is the amount of energy, physical, physical energy as well. And that's what you're talking about, the stamina, the physical energy that it takes, because you have to be able to regulate your energy before and after sessions, because every reading is different. Every reading is not the same.

All the messages don't translate from one person to the next person, to the next person, to the next. Everybody is going through something different. So you have to be able to turn off from one reading, turn on into the next reading, then turn off from that one, turn on to the next one. And by the time I finished those four days of readings, I did not even remember getting off the shuttle, getting into my car, going to the grocery store and getting some fried chicken that I never eat and then going home. And by the time I pulled the car into the garage, I didn't remember anything.

Denise

Yeah.

Missy

And that's the emotional, that's the physical, that's the mental, that's the spiritual, that's everything. That's that toll that it can take. And then sometimes you might get seven hours of sleep. You might get eight hours of sleep, but you still can wake up in the morning feeling exhausted. And I have noticed that.

Denise

And it's very dangerous. Missy tried something new and she realized, Nope, this isn't gonna work for me. You will learn what you can handle and what you can and everybody's different. So once you realize, okay, trying to do 30 readings in four days is too much. You learn how to regulate your schedule.

Missy

Yeah. And I think in the beginning I was so excited about, oh, this is my new life. Right? I was so excited that I was just doing reading after reading, after reading, after reading, you knew that. And you're like, do you not have, like, you not taking downtime?

How are you doing this? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm just doing it. And then it, but it eventually caught up to me in a way where what I can tell sometimes is that when I am overtired or when I haven't taken the time to clear my energy, or I haven't taken the time to just come down and just have that woosa moment before I go into the next one, I notice that I'm not as crisp. Doesn't mean I don't receive the messages, but then there's this, I'm kind of like fighting with myself.

You know, then I get into the ego mind. I'm like, am I not hearing this right? Am I not seeing this correctly? So I think that you have to be able to say no when you're in this work without feeling guilty. So you have to be able to say, I I need to take the time. And I think after that Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, I think I took off Tuesday. We recorded on Wednesday, and then I took off an additional day Thursday because I really needed that time. And you have to be okay with that.

Denise

Yeah. I was trying to run marathons also when I first started with this work and I found myself becoming resentful.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

I started to be annoyed and I thought the day that, this is not enjoyable for me is the day I quit because we have to love what we do. We have to be patient with what we do. And so I realized that I think it was you, Missy. You did a reading for me and you brought up space out your readings. Yeah. Like why do you have seven readings in one day? Why, why, who's doing, what are you doing that for?

Space it out. And it was because of you. I started to bring them down. I was working seven days a week at one time. I knocked off one day. I even have a little habit tracker to remind me to see how many days I had off for the month. And if it's not enough, I've got to re I've got to revamp. And I realized it, I needed that. I always use the analogy of the oxygen mask on the airplane. They always say, put the oxygen on you first before you can help others.

We all have to make sure that we have the oxygen. You can't help others without it. Right. But the idea of creating a schedule that makes sense to you.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

You're not being lazy, but you have to be mentally sound. It's more than just burning Palo Santo and Sage and thinking all is well, like Missy said a while ago, the fogginess. We want our readings to be crisp. If I'm doing readings all day and then someone asks for an emergency reading, I will let them know. I just finished doing five hours of readings.

Are you sure you want to do this now? Or would you prefer to do it when I'm fresh? And I've literally said to them, trust me, you will want me when I'm fresh. Yeah. Because I don't want to give a half ass reading.

Missy

Right.

Denise

Right. And unless it's like a huge emergency spirit will say, all right, you know, do 20 pushups and go do 20 pushups and go drink some water and then call this client. But yeah, there's a reason why I don't do first thing in the morning readings. I'm not a morning person. Why would you want to do a reading with someone who's not a morning person? Don't you want me at my best? Yeah. Right. So trust me when someone's like, you're not doing a reading until 01:00. Yeah.

I promise you. It's a great thing for you.

Missy

It's going to be a whole lot better for you.

Denise

It's going be a whole lot better for you. Go for it.

Missy

You know, and I, I think this has to be more than just wanting to help people. My mom reminded me of something about a couple weeks ago. She said to me, do you remember when you came you were a senior in college and you came to me and you go, I I think I wanna be a bartender. My mom was like, like, like, hell, you're gonna be a bartender.

And then because I said I wanted to help people. So there was always this thing in me where I wanted to help people. I chose psychology as my major in college, and this is the honest to God's truth because I wanted to learn how to read minds. I swear to you. Wanted to learn ESP.

So I feel like a little bit of the Hansel and Gretel, the little breadcrumbs that were leading us along the way all throughout our life, gearing us up to do this on a full time basis. So it's not just something you wake up one day, you have the gift of discernment and you decide I'm going to do this professionally. There is preparation that has taken place over your lifetime. Yeah. My purpose needed to ripen.

I say that all the time. This happened for me at 52 years old. Are you kidding me? I've now gotta start a life over after I've worked in the corporate world for this long. Do you want me to what?

Oh, completely change gears. And now I have to break it to my family and friends that guess what? I haven't gone off the deep end, but I am now a psychic intuitive and a medium, and this is what I'm gonna do for a living, and this is how I'm gonna make my money. That's a very scary reality, not only for myself, but the people around me that love and care about me and wanna make sure that I am truly doing the thing that brings me happiness. As much as you and I talk about the difficulties of doing this work, want our listeners to also understand that there is a lot of reward.

And it's not about validating us because spirit validates us every day because this is what we've been chosen to do, not what we chose to do, what we've been chosen to do. It feels really great when someone says, Well, the last time we did a reading, you told me this, and guess what? It happened. And there's a part of me that still gets really excited about that. That goes, Oh my God. I still get the excitement when I bring through a family member. So it is still very exciting for me. I Love what I do.

Right.

Denise

And it should be. I remember a client telling me something that happened and I got really excited and she's like, why are you so excited? You do this for a living. And I said to her, the day I stopped getting excited about these things is the day I shouldn't be doing it. There's always moments where I'm like, wow, how cool. I still get that fourteen years later.

Missy

Exactly. And I think the other thing too, that's exciting for me is that once you determine that if this is in fact what you wanna do for a living and you've made that decision and you've surrendered to the ups and downs of it, the trials and tribulations that you're going to get through, the celebrations that you're going to have, I want you to understand that you are not going to stay in one place. And what I mean by that is the psychic intuitive that I was and became eight years ago is not who I am today as a psychic intuitive and a medium. I have continued to unravel, unfold, ascend, grow, learn everything transformed. I mean, there isn't a moment.

Denise

Even your accuracy. The accuracy just gets better and better the more that you get comfortable doing the work.

Missy

And because you, I think part of that is I've learned how to trust myself and trust spirit. Right? There are times I go into reading where it's a fifteen minute reading and somebody wants to connect to their grandfather. They tell me it's mediumship, and I've gotta be on. I don't have time to mess around, so I'll I usually go, spirit, you better not let me down.

You know? I need to be a grandfather needs to come through in fifteen minutes. And, typically, I can say that grandfather usually does step forward.

Denise

Yeah. Spirit's good like that.

Missy

Yeah. Exactly. But I I also want people to understand that this isn't the only way to honor your gifts. You know? You can certainly hold these gifts sacred to yourself. You can use them in a way to help fortify your own life. Right?

Denise

Yeah. And I also think, I, it took me five years before I told my mother that I had this gift. If mother and my father took five years, I had no idea that I was doing this on the side as a business because I didn't know how to explain to a very conservative Christian household. This is what I do. And I always said to spirit when the time is right, let me know.

The reason why I'm bringing that up is because I want people to understand it's okay to do this in silence until you feel comfortable, until it makes sense to you. Keep it close to your chest.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

Not everybody has to know, right? So that you can get to a place of comfortability where you wake up one day and you say, you know what? I'm ready to share depending on the type of people that you're surrounded by. I knew I was surrounded by people who would have a problem with it. Right? So get comfortable with it on your own before you start to share.

Missy

I think that's a really good way of saying use your intuition to know when the right time will be to maybe step into more.

Denise

Right.

Missy

And you mentioned that you it took you quite a while to tell, your mother and father. Took me about a year to tell my mother, but I was still in the corporate world. And then I was trying to do this kind of on the side, run it in tandem. So I was still using my existing intuitive abilities even in my career. So I would kind of test myself. Right? Am I surrounding myself with the right kind of people? I think you can keep it as a sacred personal practice.

Yes. You can share it with loved ones. You can simply let it be a tool for you without it becoming an identity. But for you and I, it was a tool that created the new identity. It had to become, or it became something that we were able to monetize.

We knew that we needed to step away from what it was that we were doing. It was undeniable. It I found it very, very difficult to stay in the corporate world. And I don't share this with people very often because I find it embarrassing. But, you had you had said to me in our reading, my very first reading, you said in three to five years, you won't be in the corporate world anymore.

That was in October 2018. You said in three to five years, you won't be in in the corporate world anymore. And I remember thinking to myself, yeah. Yeah. Whatever. This is this is what I know. This is how I make my money. And, you know, it was safe for me to have the nice, you know, corporate paycheck and everything. So fast forward, I remember, I went from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I'd been there for fifteen years and moved out to, Utah and went to work for a company.

Two and a half years after I had been on board there, I got I got an email from the president of the company. He said, Hey, do you have time to chat around 12:15? And I said, Sure. It's at the end of the year. We had just had our Christmas party two days previous, And I think he's going to talk to me about the possibility of taking on more responsibilities within the company.

I walked into his office with my pad of paper and a pen, like I was going to take notes for new responsibilities. And as soon as I sat in in the chair in front of his desk, I felt my energy change immediately. I said, this this is not gonna end right. Something feels really off to me. And I remember spirit saying to me, just listen. Don't say anything. Just listen. And he proceeded to tell me that I didn't fit in. And he said, I don't see this as the place for you. And my heart sunk.

And I thought, oh my God, now what am I going to do? I need a job. I need a job. I wasn't yet full time doing this professionally. And, I it was very embarrassing for me. I had to clean out my desk in the middle of the day in front of all of my coworkers. Right? It couldn't have been more uncomfortable for me. And I get into my car and I'm I'm crying. I'm all upset.

I can't believe this. What am I gonna do? I've made this move across the country. You know, it took them two and a half years to tell me I didn't fit in. You couldn't figure this out, and you're and in my face, you know, at the at the Christmas party.

Are you kidding me? And so, I heard Spirit very loudly say to me, are you ready to listen? And I said, of of of course, yes. And I did what anybody else would normally do. I went right back to the corporate world three weeks later, took a job with another company, and ten months later from that, they let me go.

And to this day, I don't know why the answer or what they said to me was, it's a business decision. And I said, well, what was the business decision that led to me being terminated? And then they said it was a business decision. And that's all I've ever known about that. And that was in November 2022. That puts me four years, three to five years, four years to the day that you said, I remember spirit says, now are you finally ready to listen? And I, through my tears, I said, yes, I am.

And here I am. Right.

Denise

I gotta tell you when spirit says to jump, if you don't jump, they will push you. I lived it too. Yeah. Four years. I begged spirit. Can I leave corporate? Can I leave corporate? Not yet. Not yet. Yeah. And then out of nowhere, one day I heard it's time to go. And I was like, woah, woah, what? Then you make up all these excuses. Well, God, my salary is so good. And spirit said, if you don't leave, we will push you out.

Yeah. And we know what that means. They're gonna, you're gonna get fired for the dumbest reasons. Spirit will do anything to make sure that you stay on track. And that was undeniable for you.

Missy

Yeah, absolutely. And I think at that point it really drove home the message very clearly that this is more than just a curiosity. It is now truly become the calling. So there's a difference between the ego desire and the soul desire. Right?

And I knew this in my soul. And the other piece of this is timing matters. Absolutely timing matters. And and maybe this goes along with the fact that intuition guides people into the practice slowly, not overnight. And even though mine felt like overnight because of the trajectory of meeting with you and people showing up at my desk, you know, in three days.

But the preparation began at birth. Before I even came here, before I incarnated, I made the decision that this was going to be my path. And all those little the breadcrumbs that we talk about, the little nudges, all the ways that spirit uses people in your life, whether it's a friend or a coworker or a significant other, it's a family member to kind of remind you that, oh no, remember when you said this and you said that when you were, and and we don't remember those things. So there's always that recognition by other people. And I know that spirit is using those people to kind of help us on on our journey and bring us into what we're supposed to be doing if in fact you're meant to be doing this professionally.

Denise

Right. Just because spirit says to jump, it doesn't mean it's easy. Right. Like you really, and you said this earlier, missy you, you said you have to trust yourself and you've got to trust that you are connecting with the voice of God, with spirit, whoever sources to you, where it makes sense because it wasn't easy for either one of us. I remember barely making my God, 13,000 dollars the first year I decided to do this.

I remember the nights crying myself to sleep thinking, how am I going to pay my rent? How am I going to pay my daughter's tuition? It was, it wasn't easy. And I negotiated with spirit and I said, you wanted me to take this leap of faith, show me that I'm really supposed to do this. I said, I'm giving you two years to match my corporate salary.

And if you can't do that, I have to walk away. Yeah. He did it in eighteen months. Yeah. I was back at my corporate salary and I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel. I didn't know how I was going to do that. I didn't have anybody in my corner. I was really winging this thing. I didn't have a mutual friend that's in the psychic world. I didn't know any other psychics.

I'm truly like you want to talk about taking a leap of faith. I have some students who say they want to do this, but they're like, but I can't imagine not making you know, X amount of dollars or have a certain lifestyle I wanna keep up. Like, are literal things people have said to me verbatim. And I was like, if that's what's important, then this isn't for you.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

I always say you have to serve the purpose and then the purpose will serve you. And spirit would always say that to me. And even in corporate America, I have that right above my desk, serve the purpose and the purpose will serve you. So when I would ask, how am I going to pay this? How am I going to do that spirit was like, just serve the purpose and the money will come.

Know, they make it seem so easy, right? They're just like, dude, just do the work and the money will come. Right? So you've gotta have a certain level of strength and confidence in yourself and in your abilities. That's the confidence that Missy, where you finally told your family after a year, you had a confidence that was created in that struggle.

I had a confidence in that four year, five year struggle where I was comfortable to say, Hey, guess what? This is what I've been doing on the side for the last couple of years, and this is why.

Missy

Right. And I think having a gift is one thing, but then building a business around that gift is a whole different universe. Right? It's, man, it is. And not that even if you're currently an entrepreneur, it's a different ballgame. It really, really is. And I think it's good to remind our listeners that you don't need to rush. You don't need to prove anything. You don't need to turn your gift into a business to validate it.

Denise

Right.

Missy

You know? You kind of get to choose how your intuition lives in your life. So your intuition is still going to be sacred no matter your container. So I I think you want to feel sovereign with it. You don't want to feel as if it's something that you're fighting with.

Denise

I remember the last couple of years in corporate, every time I pass someone's office, they'd say, Hey, Dee, could you come in for a second? And I'd close their door and we'd sit and talk. And then I'd come out and I'm like, Okay, I gotta get ready for this meeting. Hey Denise, could you come here for a sec? And people were literally telling me their whole life story, to the point where my boss called me and I never watched Star Trek, the newer Star Trek.

Apparently there was a counselor on the ship and I think she said her name was Dana. I could totally be wrong. But she would call me that and I'd say, why, what is that? And she'd say, you remind me of the counselor in Star Trek. She would just walk around and help people.

I couldn't get my work done because people were calling me into their office to complain and moan and wanted my advice. And so when you said, yeah, you got to look at the nuggets and you're like, yep, there's a nugget. Right. When I wanted to quit because I was tired and I was exhausted and I needed to pay my bills, I would be reminded of that.

Missy

Yeah. I also think it's important that it's not just about the psychic end of it. You also have to be willing to learn kind of business basics. It has to be more than I just want to help people. It's so much more than that. I don't even know how to expand on that because I feel like that would be another episode.

Denise

It's kind of like, yeah, it's kind of like the client who told me she's amazing and she's fantastic. Like she was more excited about being fantastic at something than helping others. You cannot be ego based in this work.

Missy

No, You can't. And you have to be able to, and we talked about this before. You have to be able to hold neutrality and not just the accuracy. So the neutrality is the state that you hold and accuracy is the information you deliver. So the neutrality is not forcing a particular outcome because you see the client in a particular emotional state. Like, you're sharing with a client that the marriage that you're in is not healthy for you and he or she is not good for that person.

You don't want to go, Well, the best thing for you to do is just to go ahead and leave them. Right? You have to remove yourself from the outcome. You're not projecting your own hopes, fears, or interpretations onto their situation. So you're not trying to fix them or rescue them.

Denise

And that's a huge skill that you have to have, right? The skill to know that, you know what? This marriage is probably gonna last another four years, but this client can't handle that right now because she wants to fight for this marriage. Like in a situation like that, Spirit would show me a Hail Mary, like in football. Like go to therapy, give it that one shot so that when you walk away, you can never say I didn't try.

Missy

Right?

Denise

Right. But you want to be honest with them. You don't want to steer them in the wrong direction. And I always say, people aren't paying money to get my opinion. They're paying for spirits. Right. Right? That was always something I used to tell myself. Don't get caught up because you care about the person. They genuinely need help and handholding, but sometimes they can't handle it. And it probably may take six months for them to truly see.

Missy

Right. I think too that accuracy for us is not about perfection. Accuracy is alignment, right? So accuracy shows up as details that resonate or validate their experience. It's insights that align with what's actually happening. Neutrality is what allows accuracy to actually land. So when you're neutral, you're not filtering the message through your own bias. So you're not trying to impress the client. You're not trying to soothe them. You're not trying to avoid discomfort.

That's the neutrality. So I think there's I I mean, you and I could talk hours upon hours on this subject alone of should you actually go pro and all the things. It's not just making the decision one day, hey, I woke up and I decided because I like to talk to people that I'm going to become a psychic, or because I have, you know, great discernment, I'm going to be a psychic. We're just touching on some of the things that we feel based on our personal experience of what it takes to step into the role as an intuitive, as a psychic intuitive, as a medium, as an amazing card reader, as a spiritual life coach. These are our experiences.

Would you agree with that?

Denise

Yeah. I wanted to add trying to please, because I remember even when I was starting out, I found myself trying to please. A client would try to convince me that I was wrong. And then within twenty minutes, I'm telling them, okay. Until one day after a session, spirit said to me, why are you doing that?

And I was like, why am I doing what? They're like, you let that client convince you that she was right. Now, yeah, you're not running the show when you come into a session. There's so much to being a psychic intuitive or a medium than just being able to have the Clair's. Right?

Missy

A 100%.

Denise

Have to understand practice, practice, practice. Yeah. Are you willing to go the extra mile, Missy and I, we went the extra mile when I decided to leave corporate America and I was struggling. My friend said to me, my husband says, you can come be an assistant for him. Part time just to kind of, you know, supplement.

And spirits had very clear to me. If you go back into corporate America, you will never do this work. Yeah. And I was like, woah, like they were letting me know very clearly. You step back in there. You're not going to do this. And I thought that they would kind of bully me out of it. They didn't. And those are one of those moments in my blueprint that we created that it was free will. It was my choice.

Denise, you know, gift that you have, you've come this far. If you go back, you will not come back. That was their disclaimer. And I made the choice not to take it. Yeah. Those are the types of leaps and bounds and sacrifices you have to be willing to make. Missy and I could sit and talk about our life story and how we got here. And I think Missy's story alone is a New York Times bestseller. I mean, the faith that you had and trusting me. It takes a lot to trust when we hear spirit.

It takes a lot for someone to trust the person that is connecting with spirit. Yeah. Right. It takes a lot and we have to build that trust.

Missy

Yeah. I think it takes time for things to unfold. I don't think you have to make the decision overnight. I really don't, but there will be signs. I believe that there will be signs.

If you are truly meant to do this professionally, look, it's going to be undeniable. It was undeniable for Denise. It was undeniable for me. It may have taken us a little time to listen, to actually answering the call for that. But I can tell you that with all the ups and the downs, the struggles, the emotional days where I've done mediumship, and it's just one family member or friend, and I've connected with, people that have lost their life to suicide or people that had died very tragically in other ways.

Those are hard days for me. They're very emotional days for me. I also want our listeners to take away that you have to be in a position where you observe. You become an observer, not an absorber. The best thing you can do is really create that energetic boundary for yourself because if you don't, you're going to be a mess.

I used to cry in the beginning when I was doing these readings in mediumship. I would sometimes cry with my clients. And I remember coming out, getting out into my car. I was at somebody's house and all of a sudden I hear a spirit go, what are you doing? What are you doing?

That's not for you. It's for them. You have to hold the space for them. This is their emotional healing, not your emotional healing. What are you doing? Don't do that again. And I never cried again. I didn't want to disappoint myself, but I didn't want to disappoint spirit.

Denise

Yep. And that's the boot camp. Have to toughen up, and that comes with practice. Know, Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, he was doing so many readings, and his spirit guide says, if you do not slow down, your life will be shortened. And he thought I can't not help people. And he died young. Right?

Missy

Right.

Denise

All because his body couldn't handle it. You have to know what your body can handle and what it can't.

Missy

And that's the saying no without guilt, being able to do that. So I think hopefully for our listeners, we answered a lot of questions today about, okay, you're intuitive now. What's next? Should it become a vocation? What it can feel like? What you're going to experience?

But I want you to know that I'm here to help answer any questions. I know that Denise is here if you choose to reach out to either of us. We also have Woo Woo channeling crew at Gmail dot com. If you wanna shoot us an email and have any follow-up questions, we're here for you to support you on your journey. And I thought it would be really great if you would maybe pull a card to end this amazing session.

Denise

Definitely for the collective surrounding everyone with the white light of the holy spirit. As I pull this card card I got, it says you are lovable. Oh, I love that. I'm going to read the card verbatim. I usually don't, but this one's a pretty wordy deck. It says love who you are as you're created perfectly. Everything about your true self is beautiful. How fitting is that with the topic that we're talking about? Right.

Missy

Cause you have to love yourself first. Right?

Denise

Right. And the idea that some people may think, I don't know if I've got it. Well, you know what? Let other people let you know that.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

You have the confidence. Let the others define what that is. Cause let me tell you something. There are people that are going to try to do this work and they're going to realize, you know what? This ain't it. This is not it. And that's okay. Doesn't mean you're not lovable. And thank you. And then I, well, sorry. Spirit just said, become the true you. I love it. Yeah. Spirit just said, become the true you.

Missy

Gauge yourself, know your worth. Right. Absolutely. Let it, let it be a tool, not your identity. If you don't feel called into business to do this. It doesn't always have to be monetized to be meaningful.

Denise

You know what I love when someone crosses? I don't love when people cross. I'm just saying what I love is when if someone is talking at a funeral and they'll say, This person was the life of the party, or our family didn't have get togethers without them. They were the glue. That's the gift.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

You don't even realize that that person most likely had the gift. They understood compassion and love and could read people. If there was a family drama, they knew how to get the two people in the room together and figure things out. That's a gift.

Missy

Yeah.

Denise

So really try to define the role that your gifts play.

Missy

Exactly.

Denise

that's makes them loveable.

Missy

Does definitely does. Thank you guys so much for being with us today and that you've stayed with us and listened. again, if you haven't checked off the follow button or shared us with some of your friends that might find this a benefit or any of our other episodes. We have so appreciated you being here with us today. Denise, any one thing you wanna say?

Denise

Well, yeah, I wanna say that, if you wanna reach out to us for a reading or session, you can find me at, divine guidance nine 44.com. Missy is third eye open dot Just type in Missy Taylor medium. She'll pop up Denise Powell. Like it gets, will pop up and also Missy share your new location.

Missy

So if anybody is going to be coming to the Sedona, Arizona area, beautiful red rock country. I am at the Center for the New Age and would love to sit with you personally. That's my new location and would love to see any of you.

Denise

And we also do phone and zoom, so we have lots of options. So we want to thank you guys so much for joining us today and we hope that you learned a lot on this subject and we hope, it's going to make you introspective, put a lot of things in perspective on how to move forward.

Missy

And until next time, guys. I'm Missy. And I'm Denise. And together, we're the Woo Woo channeling crew. We love you guys.

Denise

Bye bye.

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