Hey everyone. Welcome to the weathering effect episode 168. Today's date is February 15 2023 and I am Duds or Duds versus known to the rest of the interwebs and I'm Jimbo you may know me as Jimbo slice, 23 this month. We have a guest co-founder and CEO of bisect hosting. Max pod could convince take you for joining us at. Thanks for having me guys. Did he put your last name? No, it's fine. It's Sounded like a butcher dip halfway through it.
I went oh God, I can't remember if it was right. Yeah, we went over this ahead of time so I had to make sure I get got that right. But before we start would you mind telling us a little bit about yourself and what it is you do? Yeah of course as you mentioned one of the co-founders and the CEO of bisect hosting the CEO Park, Hills stare, silly to say every time for some reason. Hmm, But yeah, we're hosting company. We started only In Minecraft servers.
But now we do like 21, total, different games. Wow. And we have 19 locations at this point. When we started, we only had one Dallas Texas, and now we're kind of all over the place. Mmm, you're available in like Europe. Yeah, us Europe, we have location in Australia. We have location in Singapore and then in South America where in Brazil? Nice. Oh. Oh wow. Yeah. So pretty much you know, the matter where the customer lives, they should be able to find a
server. That has a low latency for them. Nice, when I started the common craft SMP, we did the one in Virginia. I think it was Ashland Virginia. Maybe, yeah. It was awesome. We had no latency at all. It was great. I loved it. And that's why when you, your people had reached out about the show, I I got excited because I've always used by SEC and I've loved every minute of them. This is a good guest for me. This is this is an excitement time for me. Yeah.
When they pass that information down to me, I was it's always really exciting to see when you know, especially if somebody who had a server with us for a very long time because some customers definitely come and go, you know, some they might start a server for their friends. Now, everybody gets lazy, kind of Falls. It falls apart. So being able to see or like coming across customers, or somebody that's been using it for a very long time, is actually. It's like really.
Exciting for me. I remember the first week I had to serve with you guys. I actually crashed it because I was spotting into many Iron Golems messing around as you. Should we go as we shared. Yeah, I wanted to see, like, how far can I really push this thing? I remember getting the getting the nose, like, hey, maybe we shouldn't do this, took it to the Limit, but I think, you know, any any time has anyone has if you're a server owner, Roll or like anywhere, close to it.
You will test these things. I remember. Oh yeah, you know, when I had my server I would and then died discover worldedit. So I would troll people, I would go and like delete somebody's house or something. Maybe like just kidding, here you go on do but you know, I do sometimes doesn't work. Yeah. Oh, the amount of tools you guys had set us up with were through the roof and I remember me and my My mods and admins and stuff.
Because at the time we were like, just about anyone can join like you put in an application, you didn't have to be a content creator. You if you just want to play Minecraft fun, you could play on the server and obviously every once while you do get the trolls who don't mean to just prank and have fun, they're there to harm and stuff.
And a lot of the admin stuff you guys hooked us up with was amazing and anytime the server would go down, we'd send an email and I'm talking like within an hour. We were back up and running full steam ahead, it was Great. Yeah. Unfortunately, you know, it's fun and games when it's between friends messing around but there's definitely people that will try to come in and you know, cause havoc on your server.
So we always recommend to definitely if it's a private server to have it white lists that. Oh yeah right because if it's just you and your friends you know you only one for them to have access and no one else and if you have a public server just giving people building rights by default is usually a very bad idea. Hmm. And especially because I, you know, sometimes we'll have customers like, oh, hey, like these random people join my server.
Where they come from? Well, it's from because we use, we have to reuse IP addresses, so that IP address was probably at some point on somebody else's server because I don't know if you guys know like Minecraft uses like ipv4 and we ran out of those addresses of very long time ago. Oh so you know like every address that's Sign has been assigned. So there's no, you know, there's no new ones. So we can't just recycle
addresses. Yeah. We had a white listing application process and the amount of people who would fake an application just to get approved to join their just to mess up. Someone else's fun was through the roof. Yeah, people I didn't. Yeah. It's people crazy. Just certainly better ways to spend your time but you know, that's how you yeah choose to do it. That's, that's fine. Yeah. Right.
But even yeah, even if it's whitelisted and it's, you know, public still, I feel like giving people building rights immediately is not a great idea, unless you have really good systems in place, just for, you know, restoring people's builds and everything thankfully. Like that's what's so great about Minecraft. I think in the first place and that, especially like the community, like, without Minecraft Community, it wouldn't be the most popular game in the
world, for sure. Because you have so many Talented individuals that have created, you know, thousands of these plugins that allow you to customize your server any way you want it. And especially the ones that created like permission plugins and just plug ins that help you you know that log all the changes in a server, allow you to roll back things, you know, one block at a time. It's insane. Yeah, I remember your guys were like, hey, you should probably run spigot.
Cuz I'm seeing your server and this would be perfect for it. Oh. And then it gives you access to this, this, this this this is it's like, oh okay. Yeah, we want all of that. It was great. Oh, did you just started with a vanilla? Yeah. Just straight up vanilla. And yeah, banila performance is not great. No, the game has been getting better but you know the default performance is almost has been getting worse.
Just yeah. If you compare you know RAM usage of Minecraft servers you know like 1.7 and before or like, 1.7.10 and like to now it's, it's so much higher. Mmm. Yeah. I can imagine, I think I have like 20 mods in my Minecraft folder and 17 of them are probably dedicated to Performance. Mmm. Yeah. It's like I don't have old computer, like this is a newer computer. It's beefy can do all the things can render videos really fast, but yet Minecraft, Ghal. Hmm, blocky game.
They have a crazy blocky game extended, the not the render distance distance, but the world block, height and level. Yeah, so there's so much being rendered in now, especially with that new update. Oh yeah. When that came up, we were like, we need to like make sure this is all going to be fine because it renders so much more.
Right? And again, I feel like most of the improvements for performs that happen came from plug into Uppers and the community, I know Mojang has been making more efforts like more recently in the last like year and a half. But, you know, still I think everybody's everybody's dream is for Minecraft servers to fully utilize like multi core performance. Yes. But I don't know if that Oliver happened just because of how its coded. Mmm. Yeah, that's that's what me and Jimbo have been from.
So we run AMD processors for the multi because rendering videos. Goes quicker and all that stuff but we know you run an Intel processor. It actually runs Minecraft a lot better and because of that single thread performance. It's like, yeah, you got to pick your bad. Yeah. You gotta pick and choose your
battles. I mean, you guys, I mean, it's, it's, you're still doing it like, you know, just because you have different CPUs like yes, you know, they say you could say one's better than the other but bike at the end of the day, if it's single thread as long as they're, you know, the clock speed is up there but even that you can overclock Kid have, you know, the most insane clock speed of your processor and no matter what you have it, you know, it's still eventually
gonna struggle because the games, the definite bottleneck mmm-hmm think a couple years ago, maybe a year ago, Linus did a video where they built like the ultimate Minecraft server and it was like, I think I seen that. Yeah, the most ridiculous CPU, like Ram insane, like insanely quick, SSD or like, nvme the use, and it was pretty Impressive like it was you know he was flying around pretty
quickly in the load. The world was loading really quick but then as soon as they up the you know the render distance, The View distance of the server higher, it just like even that just started to immediately struggle. Well God forbid, they put shaders. Yeah. Hmm. But imagine you know being us where we have oh yeah, thousands of customers which, you know, majority of them don't know any of this. Anytime an issue happens like we just get blamed which is you know it's fun.
We're used to it. Yeah. Oh yeah probably get the finger pointed at you a lot. Yeah I mean like I would say probably 95 or more percent of the issues that happened there either with you know the game's mechanics and either like performance issue with Minecraft itself, then you can have an issue with a plug-in or a mod. If you're running a modded server because at the end of the day you have a game that was created by one.
Artie. Then you have server software you know like spigot paper that were created by yep. Massive teams of other developers because then you know, you have a lot of people contribute into that and then on top of that then you have plugins that were made by many other people and then you know when you mix it all together it's not always going to play nice. Yeah I think we've found our groove with fabric now that's our main. That's what you guys use.
Yeah for just about everything including performance. I thought fabric would, I mean it's it has certainly has gotten way more popular than it used to be in the last, you know, like what year and a half or so. But I thought it would you know, blow up a lot more than it did because there is a lot of performance advantages to it. Oh yeah. What do you got? Do you just have a like a custom mod server or do you place a certain Modpack?
It's mostly vanilla? Okay. And on most of the fabric Minds, our performance God. Got it, but it allows us to do to do certain things like custom models and stuff like that, we try to be as vanilla as possible. It's a very storytelling content creator server. Okay? So anything we can do to enhance the story, whether it be models or making certain things do, certain things outside of the game we do. But for the most part we don't
go much deeper than that. Models are super cool for that for what you're trying to do because it's not Only, you know, you have mods that can change the game completely but now you can have models, you know, that you can add, literally, whatever your imagination wants to the game. Oh yeah, it's so cool. I got like this, the community's insane. Like I don't know any other game that has, you know, that's been as popular for as long and has
as big of a community. That's just dedicated to just created so much content. And not even, you know, one on one side, you have all the developers created all these These things and on the other side you have the content creators. Mmm-hmm all the YouTubers streamers and all of that. It's wild. Yeah, crazy is you think you've seen everything until someone makes something different? Just blows your mind. Does something with one block that you just never seen before.
Exactly. Yeah, before we go too far, though Jimbo, yes, you can get a discount on your own Minecraft server through our partnership with by SEC. Toasting Max is offering our community. In off any game server for the first month? This is for new clients, only visit bisect, hosting.com Twee and use the code twe at checkout to receive the discount. I wanted to throw it in there. We're like 15 minutes in the show. We've already been chatting, like crazy. Thank you so much for that, by
the way. Yeah, not a problem. Happy to do it. Especially that you guys are, you know, the product and service. So that's always really nice. One question, want to get it onto before we hop into the news? Is we had discussed his pre-show but any behind the scenes things you can talk about you guys working on. Yeah, I mean more recently, this is already out but we just added three more locations and a location in around Seattle, Chicago and Atlanta, which it's really nice.
Really expands that gives customers a couple more options on the west coast. We're doing a ton of work behind the scenes on a control panel because we currently We use multi craft if you were to look at it though and compare it to multi craft as it comes from the developers, you would not be able to tell. It's multi crap. We poured, you know, thousands of development hours into it to make it much better easier to use.
But it's still very limited because there's a lot of stuff that's, you know, Alpha skated and we can't edit or change or so we're kind of stuck. So we are working on a different solution and right now it's kind of a mess because we have three different All panels, we have one for, you know, our budget servers premium service, and I wanted for all the other games, but, you know, sometime this year, hopefully, by mid-year will have brand new control panel, which will ease a lot of
these things. And it's going to be so much better than the current one nice. If your hypo the stroke because I remember that, be one of the things that Drew me to bisect was the control panel is easier to use than some of the others. So, if it's going to get even easier to use than yeah, great. Yeah, it's great. Now, but the problem is again, like we've added so many things to it, you can definitely tell that it wasn't like planned from
the beginning. Because again, that's not something we developed ourselves, we just kept adding to it, you know, features that we thought it was missing. So you can kind of add is just stuff, just kind of been thrown on top of each other, which is, you know, that's all we could have really done but with this new one, we actually, you know, now we have kind of a list. Oh, yeah, of everything we want. What we were, and we know what we wanted to be.
So we're kind of Of starting from scratch, which is great. Clean Slate. Yeah, perfect. Another thing that's very exciting, which is public now, also, but literally public, as of as of today, where do you guys usually, get your models for your server? I go to gesture Arrington, they're just, they're just server mates. I'm like, hey, could you could you make this? Okay that's awesome and I think they're doing it. What program is it? Block bench. Block bench.
Yeah. Do you know of the vendor? Model Marketplace MC models dotnet. No, I'm not too familiar. Basically, if you're a model maker, you can list your models there and then for anyone in the community to buy which is great because it opens it up for so many different people. Well, we actually just acquired the website because the person who you know whose baby project it was has been extremely busy at the website has a lot of potential because you guys know like using models is really
awesome. Oh, oh yeah. But there's not a lot of awareness to models. I think most like micro players don't even know. You can do all these cool things. So we're hoping to you know, kind of get a lot more exposure to that world or like our customers and just like everyone in the community in general. Hopefully to make it easier our partners on it. Our Mythic mobs guys so we're like super excited to work with them on this. Yeah. Awesome. It does sound cool. That's perfect.
Let's hop. To the news real quick. Because we do have a pig snapshot that just came out today. Like, yeah, Jimbo and I have barely been able to review and look over it. We've got some of the big things but we haven't been able to break down deeper, let's start with the archaeology that's back and yeah, that got announced last week. It was announced a few days ago. I want to say and now it's in
the snapshot. Yeah. So the pots, the vases, you want to call it our back where you can do the custom sides, it looks so much better than it did and that previewing of a boring. Granted, we were always told that these were just placeholder models and textures and the final, the final ones are very good. I really like those. Mmm, and there's not, you don't find them at an archeology site as of right now, you know, you find them at the desert temple and desert.
Well, desert temple. I think you can find them at the Wells. Yeah. So we're given the wells, some love. Finally. Mmm, how long have I been asking for that? And I like the fact that they're using the desert for these. Yeah. Because the desert is pretty Barren.
There's not much there. Now we have camels and we have archaeology so livens it up a little bit I'm glad now it's like super you know this is as official as it could be too because I know before people you know is mostly rumored but no more. Oh yeah yeah they took it out and we didn't ever at least know if they were ever bring it back so it's good to see that they brought it back. Yeah I remember specifically. He telling Jimbo oh that's not coming back. It's gone.
And here it is. Yeah, mmm. Yeah. So you got to look for something called suspicious and it's a little different. Yeah. To get the pot textures. The brush is back. So you sweep away yet, you don't need copper to make this like before. It's just two sticks and three string the pretty easy. Oh nice. I did a, I started a world in the new snapshot just to see what it was like. And I actually ran into a temple went into creative real quick, and grab the brush And it's pretty cool animation.
Yeah, your brush to block the guy. Got a diamond and emerald and one of those. What is it a shart? Yeah, I think you could call it. I think. I think you call it Richard. Yeah, it was the skull one found three blocks inside the temple. Nice that I could brush away. Yeah. There's different varieties of things. You can get just pretty cool. You can mix them with bricks if you don't want to put a design on every side, I don't know. If you can craft an entire blank one.
I think you can from the pictures I've seen But I do No. Yeah, I missed it. I remember to craft it. You used to have to put it above a fire. Mmm. Yep. Like a campfire and let it go. It would Harden. I don't know if you do that now. Yeah, some things have changed but I'm just glad they're bringing it back. The sniffer is coming to 120. I think we originally were thinking it was coming a little bit later on the next one because of how long the islet took to come.
Yes, sniffers coming. Ringing. Its ancient seeds and flowers with it. Yeah, we get to see the new flower. I haven't seen the new flower yet. It's called like a torch flower. Yeah, try to see if I could find that. I know the name of it and I was flipping through and I couldn't find any pictures of it real quick. So I was trying to read the notes from the snapshot and I didn't focus in on too many images but it'll be a surprise to me.
I was watching exhume avoids video, he goes over the snapshot, that's how a lot of the information. It's pretty or the snapshot and he mentioned one key point. It's called a torch flower. I feel like it should give off light. And that's what he was saying. I agree. Yes. How cool would it be to have a flower that actually? It is like, yeah, even if it's just like, light level 7 or something. Yeah, doesn't have to be anything crazy with the, the new lighting effects and spawn stuff
that I would like that. Yeah, another thing I did was spawn to sniffers and I didn't try to breed them. I wasn't sure did catch how you bread them toward fire with the flower. That's how you breathe them, I'm pretty sure. Okay. That's I think that's what I read. Also read you couldn't tame them, okay? That sounds great. I guess they're free to roam. Yeah, really wish. I could ride one though. That'd be really cool. That would be cool. Probably fit four people on them.
They're pretty massive. Yeah. Right. That's what I was just gonna say like for when they first kind of we're announcing him to where, you know, you first see it in game. It's so much bigger than I thought. It was right. Hmm, you're huge. Yeah they're pretty mess. Is it actually two blocks. Tall. I think you can see over it a little bit. Okay, so not quite playwright, I'm not positive, I don't know, I'm looking at these well actually, one picture, I'm looking at the player is
actually shorter than its back. Hmm. Maybe I was a block above, I'm not positive. I think it might be taller than two dollar. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of lost interest. When they didn't dig up any seeds, I sat there for like 10 minutes like they got to see. Yeah. They were sniffing around for good while of the animation. Yeah. Animations are so cool. They lay down on their belly. Yeah. Like, what? I'm going to lose it when that happens.
Mmm, I'll maybe that's the difference in height between it's next to the player when it's laying down versus standing, maybe, maybe. And finally, the big one that was just announced yesterday the cherry blossom by. Oh yeah, I was didn't expect this me. Either one of the things that did not expect. Yeah, this has to be one of the most requested tree other than a palm tree in the game. Yeah, probably right. I'm trees with look weird in Minecraft.
How would you even do that? Oh, you can't say that I build so many palm tree. Yeah, we make them, you know, we've got a lot of palm trees around our base. Would be strange to see them grow, I guess. Yeah. Like what am I thinking? Random growth? I guess I just looked up a palm tree in Minecraft would like, okay, that makes sense. That's not how I was imagining it but I'm also A a terrible Builder. I, you know most my base was always in a cave, never in a nice house that's me.
Like, if you were to see my latest episodes, all I do is I find a big Cliff face, put a nice facade on the front and they just dig inside, go into your hole. I would all this spend more time on like my storage and instead of the actual house. Yes, yeah. Same, I spent two weeks designing my storage room to be just right for the entire season. Even I love storage rooms. It's like playing Sims. Like all right. 30 hours in building a house.
Time to start a new one. Not actually play the game. Exactly. Mmm. So behind the scenes, I went to school for architecture. Yeah. When I came out of school, there were new architecture jobs. It was the 09 just recession. So, yeah, I've gone on and I've done other stuff. Never came back to architecture, but that bug has always lived inside of me. And my friend was like, You should play Minecraft because you would actually understand some of the building mechanics and stuff.
Sure enough. Yeah, that rubs off on me and I just started building things and building things and then I got a job as an electrical technician for industrial vfds and stuff and they didn't have money to send me to school to learn it. They just had one of their technicians teaching me and he found out that I played Minecraft and to learn a lot of these circuits that were on these drives and stuff.
He taught me through Minecraft because his kid He's played Minecraft PE and he understood the electrical circuits through Redstone. So he used Redstone to teach me like, industrial electronics. And it's just it's a great game. It really is. Yeah, yeah. Now there's so many educational aspects to it, especially like, you know, getting into Redstone like, learning all the gates and everything is, can you can learn a ton.
Oh yeah. But even like, you know, some players turn server owners like either, like, oh, login configuration, File. Let me look at that. I've never seen this and it goes and then you know four months later they're like coding their own plugins in Java. Oh yeah. So as an architect would you use the new cherry blossom? Would what do you think of that? No I wouldn't. I'm not a big fan of the pink would ya especially because cherry blossoms cherry wood.
As I know it is not pink, but maybe I'm thinking of it, I don't know the tree obviously very well texture-wise in game. I like the flowers I think they should be a bit more transparent. Yeah. Little bit see-through. They don't really fit with the other leaves but I use the bushy Leaf texture. I really like the 3d effect that gives off to me. I kind of compare it to purr, purr. Purr purr is a great block, but it's one. I've never been able to use correctly and I feel cherry
blossom. Trees are going to be the same way to me. It's a great block, But I me, personally, I'm not going to be able to use it very well. Yeah. Now that I'm looking at It's more like a yeah it's purple. Well, it's kind of got a lot of peach in there. Oh, you come? Yeah. It's the unstriped log though, is like straight up purple. Oh yeah.
That's a hard the log in. But then again, I always thought I'd have a little bit of trouble with the Warped, wood from the nether but I use that stuff all the time now. So maybe maybe that changes its so Brown on the outside though, people might use it as like accent blocks where you, you know, depending how you place it. So you can only see He liked the pinkish middle.
Yeah. And and the outside still looks Brown. So it kind of fits with all their would, but I don't know, there's people people will come up with a way to use it. It's going to look really nice. I'm sure, 100%. Yeah, that was just about to say the same thing normally when a new block comes out that were not a fan of somebody makes it popular. Yeah. They immediately build something and do see it can be used like yeah. Okay, you're right. Hmm. The It's got stairs and slabs, right?
You can make a roof out of this and grooves. Can be difficult to do. I will say it probably works really well with jungle wood. I could see that it's more of a peach color. I will say, the flower carpet thing. That's what they're calling it. I'm excited to use those. I can't wait for that. And also the leaves. They give off a like an ambient. Yeah, a little particle. Drop. Ya particles. I couldn't tell if it was that was the leaves or if it was just the Bayou, Home.
It was the leaves, are you sure? Because you know, people will call us out on this. Call me out, that's what I saw. And I was exploring the cherry blossom but I did find one of
these. And yeah, there's flowers everywhere and I look up and I was looking at the particles and making sure I saw where these things were coming from and yeah, it was is coming below the leaves but the big question is if you sure these leaves law and you take them to a different biome and place them and place them do. Still get the same particle, right? Yeah. Didn't do much testing, just wondering. Well, I mean we really didn't
have a lot of time right? I mean I got home a dinner and then we were already getting in a call. Okay and everything ready to go? Mmm. Yeah but with these three new things, it's actually looking like a update like I'm more excited about it along with like the armor trims things that we didn't know about during the reveal. Don't forget jukeboxes. Yeah. They got the Redstone. And everyone's been asking for, hmm, so that's cool. I might actually use that in my base.
Yeah, they don't have the, what is it? How they filter out of the Jukebox, just into the Jukebox. I thought you could Hopper them out. No, you can't Hopper them out as of right now. Well, maybe. You know what? Might get called out for that. Yeah. If you haven't dispenser, that shoves a disc into the Jukebox, that already has a disc in it. It would filter the previously
playing disc out. Yeah. As what, I was seeing was with if you right-click on the jukebox that disc comes out and not into the hopper below, but maybe, when the disc is done playing it, might filter out. Do you have any idea what they're going to call this update? I always thought they said the express yourself update. Mmm, I don't know if that was a fish. I don't know if it's official either, but that's what I've been calling it.
Yeah, said that was kind of along the lines of the theme. Definitely get that with the the archaeology with the pottery and the The trim. Specially the armor trim. This was the final feature release or 120. They went ahead. And they mentioned that in the blog post for the snapshot today. So, no new features will come. I'm sure we'll get something new later. This is kind of an add-on to what we've already seen. Yes, hoping for another mob.
We got cables and sniffer hoping for maybe one more. Hey, you get what you vote for? Yeah. Mmm, unless you voted for copper go low. Right? I'm seeing a lot of those tweets. Now, about people wishing. They would have changed their vote to Copper Golem. I think I'm one of those people. Orale anyways, let's move on to our last episode question and we wanted to know what you guys
thought about armor trims. Most of the people on Spotify said they are great addition for customizing your armor and most of the people on YouTube or Tide, we Had. Yeah, between a lot of. Yeah, three of the options were pick and it wasn't great. Addition, it was too hard to find the template. It's the right balance between effort and reward and should affect gameplay, IE, gold trims, keeping piglets from attacking you. How you guys voted on all of those and tied, three of them.
I don't know. But hmm, it happened. Yeah, let's vote on YouTube also then Spotify this trip, bona fide Romans had 100 votes. It's yeah. But we have a listener, comment this one's from awesome 2399. And this is for Max, and they say, would you say there's any particular advantages to hosting versus just starting a realm
tons? A lot of advantages to self housing, if you just want to like vanilla Minecraft, super easy who've just like a few people Realms are obviously super easy to do but then on Realms your limited, you know, you can Can't, you know the it's either two or up to 10 players that's it. You can't pick your own location so you don't really know where they're sticking your server.
I believe they use AWS still so I'm sure you know that they have a lot of great locations but again you don't know it for Minecraft most of the time. It doesn't really matter you know on the latency. It's but obviously the farther you get, it could matter especially like in PvP situations but General gameplay, not really but then you're also Do what you can do. Like, you can't install any mods, you can install a new plugin.
So like all the stuff we talked about earlier about, if you have a public server, keeping it protected and everything is, you know, kind of out the door with that. And then you know, you never never get to experience the modded side of things which there are so many mod packs. And you know, if you if you think plugins change the game a lot or with modpacks it's like you know, you're playing completely different games and stories that people have
created. Yeah. Modern Minecraft's always been a huge part of the Creator Community for a long time and it's definitely ramping up again content. So there's a lot of people watching their favorite YouTuber. Play modded version and they're trying to jump in and do it doing it with their friends. Can't just do that on Realms, right? Yeah, there's, it's just
customize a that ease-of-use. Yes. But like, if you want even, you know, an ounce of customization like you, you definitely you're not going to be happy with it. Another huge thing is like for us, like it's support has been like our priority since day one. And like we said earlier, you know, you run into many issues with just Minecraft and all these things. And if you run into issues of Realms, like Mojang is not going to get back to you in 15
minutes. We will see if you have an issue, you know, he could be resolved, much quicker. Yeah. Like if on their Realms read it, there's so many. He posts of like people asking others for help because you know it's because they don't really have anywhere else to go. Thank you guys for those comments but let's move onto Creator Clash. We're going to start by announcing this month's winner for Creator clash. And then we're going to talk a little bit more about last month's.
This time, you guys were choosing between a hammer data pack, which allowed you to mine quicker, the terror list over World evolved datapack, which added new biomes and such. And then the way stones data pack, which would add fast travel to your world. In the winner of Creator, Clash is Way stones. This is the one I wanted to win so badly. Yeah, I was so happy to see it.
So, in my single player world, I use command blocks to already do this because this world was created before the nether update, I was like, well, I don't want to travel through the nether until the another update hits, and I just never went back. I still use these little command box, like, I've buried command blocks, deep underground and I have a little button. That activates Redstone.
So, when I want to go to my mining desert, I travel out to basically, Way Stone Island, which is like, a couple hundred blocks away, but it allows me to fast travel to different places in the Overworld. And when I saw this data pack, I went, oh, I want to try this so much to see if it's better than the thing I have set up. You know, I did a little research on it ahead of time and it is exactly what it is.
So it's you find. I think it's an Modern egg and it creates a Way Stone to where you can go place a place you don't like you mentioned fast way to travel but the way it was implemented into the game. It's very Minecraft E. Yeah. Like it looks like something I would like it to be a little more rare to find. I'm not sure how rare was when they found it on it. Maybe it was just an example. But uh yeah, I love the way it's
used in the game. It's very Minecraft e. So like the last cringer Clash, I'll end up doing a live stream. Where we do this on stream but we also have a question for Max. He goes, how can you configure and edit your mod packs with bisect hosting? We make it really easy to install and update modpacks, I think, at this point we have
close to 800 mod packs. That can be just installed with a few clicks automatically and then Windows the developers of those modpacks release updates you'll actually be notified In the control panel, there is an update. You could literally just then select the new version, click save, press restart, and then the mod packs going to be
updated. So we make that process, super easy because again, you know, my packs are so awesome with my crowd but for so many could be so intimidating because, you know, you have to yeah, just upload the files yourself, not everybody's comfortable with doing that or like your place it in the wrong location. This just does it all for you. And then as far as just configuring, Stuff again, you know, we have if you're an advanced user, you have your favorite FTP client, you can use that.
But we also have a super awesome online file manager with, like, a really great text editor, so you can edit stuff, right? And a paddle without, you know, having to download anything else, which again, makes it much easier, especially for those that never hosted before just not familiar with any kind of Hosting. Yeah, and like I said, when we were running common craft, we used spigot, or whatever and
sure. F. Yeah, we just get a little blip and we know that it was time to update and everything was good to go, and we just restarted the server. And again, it worked like a champ every time I loved it. It was real easy. Yeah. It's a, no, it's great. I think that's where we shine again our even if you, you know, and if we don't have a mod pack you want or like your run into whatever issue like we're happy to install whatever Modpack you want for you. That's cool.
We're never going to tell customers. Hey you know like that's this is not Not. This is not an RN, Google, it figure it out on your own, like, no matter, no matter what, right? Mmm, no matter what it is, will help him out. Like, as I told people before, I'm like, I think if a customer even creates a support ticket asking, you know, help with their homework will probably help him nice.
Last episode on Creator, Clash. You guys chose the John Smith Legacy resource pack and we did a live stream going over a lot of it. I believe Carl has uploaded it to our YouTube channel. So if you want to go back and watch it, you can some quick thoughts. I had about it. So there's a lot of detail in this resource pack, or than I was used to. It was very much an over saturation of detail compared to the vanilla pack, and I definitely didn't build in a
way. Were, it was an easy as a conversion to that resource back. I wouldn't ever just be able to turn it on on a previous build and everything look 100% correct, right. But if you were planning on building a Medieval theme and you wanted to add a lot more life and theming to your build using this resource pack alone is beautiful.
Yeah, it seemed like a lot of blocks have that medieval look, but then, like some other ones, like, kind of looked a little Uni and it might be because I love the hard lines. Yeah. In the detail hard lines are such a tricky thing to build with. Hmm it's definitely one of the things I'm constantly looking at in a build palette but to me the one thing that stands out is the villagers were creepy though. I could I like the Villager, you liked him. I couldn't look a villager in
the face. To take it. Seriously. Hmm. That's why I like them. Okay. Because I couldn't really take him serious. I just look at her, like I'd laugh. I kind of wish this guy would turn around. The workstations to have stare at me while I'm trading. I just want to keep talking to him. I could see that from you. Hmm I was a little disappointed though though. I made a big deal out of it. The creepers the creepers had a crazy looking face too.
Yeah, but the footage I solve this head creepers wearing headbands and I made a big deal. How how these creepers got headbands, they don't even have hands. Ty, headbands on like it's did. It didn't make any sense. I remember you going. How do they Put the headbands on. They have no yeah why? They got head bansal. Just didn't make any sense and then on your version that you played they didn't have so as little disappointed but also like okay this makes more sense.
Maybe the zombies put them on for them. Maybe seem to travel with each other. All right, time to talk more bisect hosting Jim. I think you had a couple questions you want to ask. Yeah, before we started with the discussion, I wanted to ask Max how bisects started, you know where he was involved in it.
Man, there's a long time ago but the short story is basically I had my own Minecraft server that I started due to the server that I used to play on just going down and I've always been into technology The Internet of Things. Things, you know, if Ahmed, since since I got my first computer, if I'm at home, you know, I'm at the computer. I'm not doing anything else. Mmm, so that I was interested me, so it's like, hey like how does this all work? You know, how do you host your server?
So then, you know, I started hosting my computer, it was supposed to be temporary. My connection wasn't good enough. So I was like, let me try using a host and had it for a couple weeks. And then I was like, all right, the server, I used to play it, you know, usual, tell you on his back up, time to go, but Then, all the other players on a server. They're like, no, no, don't shut it down. Like, we like it, we're ready, build stuff, blah blah. And I'm like, oh, and then I just felt bad.
So I was like, all right, I guess. I can keep it around for, you know, maybe a month or two, I'll pay for it and then and then yeah that just kept growing. Then it kind of grew. We started to use, you know upgrade to the two, different servers using different host. We you know first said shared hosting, then a VPS server, then a dedicated server then we Bought our own Hardware that we call located and all through that, like, entire Journey.
We kind of noticed that there is not really great customer support and like I love when like companies provide customer support always have and I was like, why is it so bad? I'm like we can definitely do a much better job. Like what you know like why are these people tell me to Google something like I'm using their service on paying them money like they should know, the more helpful, right? So, Then I, that's how I went, you know, to the co-founder
Andrew, he's our CTO. So, he's in charge of old like the tech side of things, and I'm kind of in charge of all the business side of things. I mean, I was like, hey, I'm like, we should try doing this ourselves. Like just clearly a spot in the market for somebody that just provides much better support. And there we can stand out and like, there's a couple of other features I had in mind that
nobody had. Like, since day one, we've taken seven days of backups of every single Minecraft server smart,
it's More common now. But, you know, 11 years ago, nobody was doing that and I was like, we should and, and he was like, no. This is going to be like, much more expensive to serve is going to be more expensive because we have to buy you, no more Hardware more drives but as I yeah but it's worth it because like I'm like how many times have we, you know, screwed something up on a server and we like we're kicking ourselves because we like wish we could go
back and he's like yeah, that's true. And I like since they want people like that was one of, you know, our customers favorite features back then it wasn't as fun though because we used To restore backups manually. So they had to create a support ticket. I'd obviously, like, eventually we had a system where they can do it themselves now but yeah. So just, you know, kind of saw an opportunity and then we went for it. I had a credit card to Newegg, I was like, let's buy a bunch of
parts there. You know, if this, if this fails, it's a lot of money that bunch of student loans. And I'm like, this would be in addition, like, having all this money on this credit card, but it's, you know, It's not like it wouldn't be, it would be tough. It wasn't going to be like wife ruin and so we went for it. And then, you know, here we are today. Now 11 plus years later pretty
wild. It's again, makes me think of Minecraft and how it changed my life because I didn't really know what I wanted to do and just like so many other people that are content creators are are in the community, you want to in the other and they're able to make you know, make people were like living income. Like from Minecraft one way or another. It's wild.
Yeah, sure. Mmm. And I can speak to the customer service because that's that's originally why I had chosen bisect hosting is, I was looking at all the different hosting servers at the time. And customer service was always my because I didn't know what I was doing. I was only hosting a server because I was playing on a server where people were getting bullied a lot and I was like, well forget this I'll just start my own because people were like hey yeah, do do that, start your
own will come play. And I was like, I'm going to need someone who can hold my hand, because I have no clue what's going on here, and choosing you guys made the process. So, easy in the server ran smoothly for years, it was, it was amazing. And I would progress and I would learn in. Like you said, I was editing modpacks myself and putting them in and going, and it was great. It was a great experience.
It, I felt I grew as a server owner, every year, I had a ton of mods who really appreciated the access and ease of use for everything. So you jumping on the customer service portion of it. Brilliant. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day like, you know, every host, you know, can have, we can all use the same data centers. We can use the same internet providers, you know, if you're renting servers, you know, it'll be from the same people.
Like we can we don't have access to special, you know, chips that no one else has. I have access to magical Ram that makes, you know, Minecraft servers run better than anyone else. So I kind of laugh when there's like one host, advertise zero lag ever.
I'm like with Minecraft, I'm like, you're like immediately line to the customer because like, yeah, you know, and then even like Andrew, he would be like, maybe we should add something, we have to her website and I'm like, no, I'm like, I just feel bad or even adding that or saying it because it's Minecraft or, like any game that you can. Add mods to her host yourself. Like you will run into issues, you will run into wag. It's just that, you know, bound to happen. So kind of guarantee.
No, lag is strange. But you know, right? It's like where I was like, where we can shine is the customer service is like when the customer is frustrated, when they are having these issues. Yes, they're going to be upset, they're going to be blaming us and, you know, instead of blaming them back saying, oh, this is not her fault. This is, you know, this is a issue with this.
Like we never do that. Be you know, like you said, we do all the hand-holding they need and pretty much every single time, you know, once once we resolve it once, it's explained, you know, we don't have to tell him that it wasn't an issue in Iran. They kind of see it. They start to understand it more.
They start to understand why the problem was caused, what it was caused by, how do we resolve it. So, and they're like, so thankful, you know, there's so many times, they think hard support staff in in the tickets for and then you know, apologize for being mad for You know, screaming the screaming of them and all caps and everything and then just yeah, all those bad words. Yeah. And they just feel a lot more educated than in the future.
If something like this comes up again, you know, they're able to handle it themselves. Mmm, nice. Yeah, that that was something I definitely remember when I send a ticket for support and stuff it wasn't just a hey I fixed it for you. It's a hey this is what happened. This is why it went wrong. This is how we're going to fix it. So I Would learn from the process.
And a lot of times I was fixing it before sending another ticket later and I would only have to send tickets when I really was just frustrated. Yeah, we're always if we see you like somebody from sport, you know, because because we do get busy, you know, especially on weekends, like our support team
works like extremely hard. Like they truly do so which sometimes, you know, it's sometimes it's laziness, sometimes it's super busy, but they'll be like, oh, I, you know, made few changes in your circumstances. Server. Like least try it out and like if we see that where I was like, no that's like a big big know that you can now just tell him you made a few changes to check it. It's amazing you fix the issue but that doesn't educate the customer.
It doesn't tell what happened. Why it happened? You know that it's kind of at a like your they're back to square one so I could it's always been super important for us to educate and and explain to them because we you know we want them to understand because we much rather have a you know like yes. Ready? We already have their money so so that we but we're not going to care about them, but like that's a hundred percent, you know, not true.
Like we rather have a customer that sticks with us for in the long term and that, obviously, that's, that's great for business but also like it's amazing for that person because they're going to learn so much more because I feel like hosts have a huge responsibility just for the community because if we're losing customers, because they're frustrated, because they
don't know. How to do something there's going to leave and that's just bad for the entire Community versus maybe, you know, for this person that we spend a little bit of extra time hand-holding, explain it to them, it might like turn around their entire perspective of hosting a server and I like, you never know, like they might be the next like big developer of a plug-in, a mod pack.
There could be like a content creator in the future because they know they truly fall in love with it but if instead you know, they have a bad experience and leave You know, not only, they're gonna leave us. There are, you know, potentially, they'll just stop playing the game, which is, you know, bad for everyone. Like, I've always said this community is like a, it's like a what goes around comes around.
It's like a, you know, big circle like what we do can affect the game, like, you know, what's going on with Minecraft, what's Mojang doing? And in fact us, yeah, like get itself is a right. So it's one big giant ecosystem. Mmm. Yeah. And you hidden around the head with hosting and stuff when I decided to To use you guys to start comic crafts and everything. I was doing it for a while and I had someone come up to me and thanked me. I was like, yeah, no problem for the most part, I just
considered. I was just paying the bills. No, big deal. I wanted to play with friends, so yeah, sure great and they're like, no, no, you don't understand. Like I work long hours, I have a hard job, I come home and all I want to do is play Minecraft with friends and you make sure I can play the game freely and fun, and not have to worry about things like leg or someone just trolling my base. And destroying it and stuff.
And so I then took that responsibility seriously and having you guys had my back making sure my server was running at the maximum ability. Made the process so much easier. Now this, I mean like when people are in servers, it's their own, you know, the build their little online communities and they, you know, become friends like some of them. You know, I've known people from my original server that I still talk to now and it's like, I've never met him.
You know it real life ever but it's still like they feel like there's like closeness to it. No matter what and enduring covid like for what around a year or so it was amazing to be able to hang out with these people in some way. You know you could you couldn't hang out with people in person but at least we were able to hang out with them online. So I think it was an outlet for so many people even more than it is now. Oh yeah sure. Especially going through a pandemic last couple years.
It's been Massive thing definitely hear me does have it met in real life and there were pretty close guaranteed me and Jimbo talk at least every other day. Hmm, are you guys at a same stator how far you pretty close actually East Coast. Yeah. We're by eight hours away from each other and you guys never bad. How long do you know? Each other Jimbo actually joined commie craft about a year for ten. So how long has it been? Was it five or six years? Now it has to be at least five.
Oh my God you guys. As you guys have to meet. Hmm. Oh eventually we wanted to do Minecraft live. Yes, but it's an online thing. Yeah, they do have tables for podcasts and Minecraft news General. But yeah, we're hoping if they do have a live event in person, we'd be able to get it table. Be able to do the show there. Yeah, be a lot of fun.
Finally, I'm telling you guys but like you know everybody that works for us as So until like earlier this year or no, it was enough of a December. I don't remember not too long ago was like be. So before that I've only met my business partner Andrew because you know, at first I was like, look, I'm like if we're doing this like we should probably meet because he lives in the UK, by the way, and I'm in the u.s. so that made it, you know, mmm-hmm it was a little bit more
complicated, but I did meet him a few times went to his wedding and Everything. Well, nice. And but I've literally never met any other single person. You know, the entire company. And then we had a little, we have a bunch of people. The kind of live somewhat close together on the east side of the country. Like Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania area. So we like did a small get-together and it was, it was
great. It was really a, I was like, wow, I'm like, I can't believe, you know, it took 10 years for the for me to meet more than one person from the Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, for us Carl our digital producer, he's in the UK also and the crazy thing is the reason Carl works so well with us is we basically call Carla vampire. He's on us time. He's up during the night sleeps during the day. Pretty sure he's a vampire. Yeah. So it just so happened to our. The way our times met up.
We were constantly playing the game with each other and then we started doing this. This podcast and car was like, Hey you know all that stuff you don't like doing like filling out descriptions in the show doing thumbnails and stuff. Carl's like oh man, I love doing that. So he's good at it, he's very good at it. It was actually super helpful for us for Andre to be like for us to be so far apart. Because when we started for the first, you know, like year year and a half it was just us.
So like we were handling everything. We were doing. Mmm, even back then we still had 24/7 support like, since day one. But it was just me and Andrew, like, I would, you know, would cover the first basically, 12 hours. And he would do the next 24 hours and I don't know what would we have done if we both lived in the US for both lived in Europe. Oh yeah.
Thankfully like the the distance the time distance between us did help because you know I would be like okay it's I lived on the East like on the eastern time back then so I was like all right it's you know 2:00 my time was 7. O'clock his time. So, I'm like time to go to bed and then do it all over next day. And yeah, that is pretty convenient, convenient. Yeah. But it was so much work because I also had like, well, I had two jobs going to school so it was a it was a rough. Yeah.
Wow it's true. That's why I had bad grades. I had one more question. The bisect hosting name? Oh yes, we got it. We got go over that. Yes. Where did that? Where did the name come from? But story is we used to be? We started as the Minecraft host.com. Then we got contacted by Mojang lawyers and they were like two official, even though you have plenty of companies. Now that have pretty name close that names that are pretty close
to that. And you know, they just look past it, so then we became Pro Minecraft house.com and at that point then we were like adding more games other than Minecraft. And we were like probably for, you know, the long-term of for the company's sake we should probably They get rid of the name Minecraft. Mmm out of the company's name a while. Amazing for SEO, not very good for, you know, for copy possible, copyright infringement or like Mojang having issues. Yeah.
So then the more lawyers I wanted something that kind of like real word but like made sense but didn't made sense like you have a lot of these companies where you like, the name is a, it's a like a real real word or whatever, but you say it so many times it. Kind of it just becomes that brand and nothing else, right? We're obviously nowhere near that level. So then I was just like deep in my Google searching for like random turns.
And I think what happened eventually as I Google like mathematical xand like mathematical in science terms and one of them was by SEC just like it, which means, like something is that split into two parts and as I kind of like how it sounds bisect hosting and I'm like, it's mean Andrew the company's divided into was started by two people. People, mmm. And I'm like, let's just go with that. And then so not a very cooler, exciting story, but that's how it happened.
Now I was asking because it does roll off the tongue. Yeah, it works like, you know, you don't have to think burn twice about it. Also I'd related or somewhat related. I'm very excited because I just got a custom license plate for my car that says by SEC. Because it was available, and I was very, very excited. Like a child nice. You had to jump on that. Yeah, so I do want to remind The audience that Max is offering our community, 25% off on any by sick Game servers for their
first month. This is for new clients, only visit bisect, hosting.com Twee and use the code twe at checkout to receive the discount again, one more time. Thank you so much for the code Max. Yeah, of course, happy to do it for you guys but I think that's going to do it for today's show before I have Jimbo reaches out. I want to say a huge thank you to all of our patrons who are Porting the show, our milk level patrons are Arrington. Omni Bobo, plays games, fragile, rock Loki, and athletic.
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