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Hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall Show with me, Winston Marshall. I am in Alexandria, Virginia, just down the road from Washington, D.C. for... Trump's second inauguration. And I just spoke to Ben Dominic, editor-at-large of The Spectator World and co-founder of The Federalist, great writer... and speaker, commentator on American politics. We tackled the issues of the Avengers, Trump's Avengers.
the likes of Tulsi Gabbard, Vivek Ramazwamy, JD, Vance, RFK Jr, Kash Patel and others against the bureaucracy, against the American machine. We took a deep dive into each of those individuals, what we can expect from them and how the bureaucracy can possibly be defeated. Before you hear from Ben Dominic, I ask if you want to support this show, all you have to do is press subscribe. If you do that, I can have more phenomenal guests like Ben.
issues that you want to hear about and the mainstream media won't touch. But without further ado, Ben Dominic. Ben Dominic, thank you for having me in your home here in Alexandria in Washington for inauguration. We can. We have much to discuss. Yes, we have much to discuss. And, you know, it's a shame that you're not going to get the full spectacle of the outdoor inauguration. But I think you are.
going to see a real flow of interesting things happen here in the next couple of days. We're speaking on the eve of it, and I think that it's going to be... An inauguration that, frankly, says a lot about what the next four years have in hold and in store for the country and for this administration that I think learned a lot from the first go around. Before we do...
Jump into that. I want to talk about the Avengers, Trump's so-called Avengers. I notice on your fridge behind me, there is a Christmas card from Tulsi Gabbard, a family friend, who is set to replace Jake Sullivan as... Director of National Intelligence. And that's probably one of the most controversial. I say that Pete Hegseth to a Democrat seemed very controversial. He seemed to stir them all up the wrong way. But Tulsi Gabbard...
I kind of wanted to get into the best case for her, the best case against her. What should people understand? Why is she controversial as a pick for director of national intelligence? Well, one thing to keep in mind for not just Tulsi, but a number of these picks is that they were Democrats until... just a few seconds ago in terms of our politics. You know, RFK included in that, but a number of other selections as well. You know, very short political history in terms of being on the right.
And because of that, they have opinions that tend to inflame the attitudes of both Republicans on Capitol Hill. Democrats as well. Democrats who feel betrayed, perhaps. Tulsi was one of the vice chairs of the Democratic Party who left. That role in 2016 when she felt like Bernie Sanders was getting an unfair shake when he was running against Hillary Clinton. And she was very much viewed as being in this anti-war faction of the Democratic coalition.
Though she was also someone who was viewed as very pro-military, her own military background being a part of that. Republicans are skeptical of her though because there is a huge portion of the Republican elected officials on Capitol Hill. who hold... traditionally hawkish views when it comes to our foreign policy that are at odds with Tulsi. And there are also a number of them who, despite the fact that they may talk about problems they have with the FBI or
belief that that place needs to be reformed. By the way, I do actually think Kash Patel is probably going to end up being the most controversial of these selections. But Tulsi is someone who's very much on the... outside of that group because they still believe in investing enormous power in our intel services as it relates to foreign policy. They may have issues about domestic stuff, but they still are pro-CIA or what have you.
This, by the way, played out recently with the replacement of Mike Turner, the longtime defender of the intel community, as the intel chair, a big move by Speaker Johnson that was reportedly motivated by Donald Trump basically feeling that Turner was too close. to the intelligence community that he believes needs to be reformed. So naming Tulsi to the office of the director of national intelligence.
is clearly a sign that she's going to be in a reform minded role as being someone as opposed to being someone who was. Just comfortable with everything that the intel community says. was tension between the intel community and what various figures around Trump would disclose publicly. They would basically say, oh, you shouldn't go on TV and say this thing or something along those lines.
When it came to a number of the different officials who occupied intel roles under Trump, particularly John Ratcliffe, who, of course, is now set to be the next head of the CIA. So it's one of these things that. You have this tension that exists between various, you know, figures who are at odds on certain portions of the empowerment of the intel community, particularly. the FISA courts, which obviously were key to the entire Russiagate play out.
and the renewal of Section 702 of basically this domestic spying section. Can you just, those two things, fire reports and Section 702, just unpack them. So the way that just the very... The simplest way that I can say this in short terms is the FISA court exists because you are you need to have some kind of entity approving secret warrantless secret warrants that would basically allow the.
internal domestic spying that a lot of our internal intel services believe that they need to do in order to Look at people who they think are working for foreign entities or who are compromised, et cetera. These are secret courts that approve these warrants secretly. The problem is that as we've learned, it was something that people like Rand Paul were raising years ago.
before the Trump experience. But as we've learned through the Trump experience, a lot more Americans have learned these courts essentially act as rubber stamps. They're handed something. They don't really have the ability to judge whether it's accurate or not. And then they just.
rubber stamp it and suddenly, you know, before you know it, the intel communities are spying on all these people who are associated with Donald Trump. Yeah, so the big controversy was Obamagate, Russiagate. Yeah, exactly. Obama spying on Trump's campaign in 2016. Exactly. And using that as the justification for much broader fishing expeditions into those people, which, of course, were designed to bring down Trump. And because of that, he wants all these things to be reformed.
When it comes to her role, though, the approval process of getting into that job means you have to navigate a fairly unique committee setup. The intel committee on the Senate side is viewed as the... power center in Washington of all of this. And it is unlike other committees viewed as truly a bipartisan situation. Mark Warner, who's the Democrat on that committee is someone who commands more respect than some of his other Democrat.
colleagues among Republicans, and he's someone who they view as being, you know, more of an honest broker compared to someone like Adam Schiff, you know, on the House side, now obviously a senator from California. The thing that... is going to be critical for Tulsi though, is that it just comes down to the votes on the floor. She is very close. The question is whether she can afford to lose the number of people we think that we.
already see as being lost uh and still get through on the republicans on the republican side okay and and let me and let me just make one particular point about this the move by mitch mcconnell to leave the leadership job. He's obviously been replaced by John Thune, but to stay in office is the wild card here. He has already indicated to the press that he is not.
necessarily satisfied with her selection. He has questions about her. He's obviously someone who historically has been very pro Intel community in terms of trusting them a lot more than your typical Republican on Capitol Hill. And it's possible that she could be the only nominee that he opposes. There's also additional questions for her from people like Murkowski.
Todd Young from Alaska and John Curtis, the new replacement for Mitt Romney from Utah, in a way that clearly has some work to do in terms of lobbying them and convincing them. On the flip side. She's probably going to get at least one, maybe two, maybe even three Democrat votes. You could clearly see a situation where she gets gets the votes of a number of Democrats.
who are going to be facing critical reelection cycles in the next two years. That includes John Ossoff from Georgia. It includes Gary Peters from Michigan. John Fetterman has already been. fairly positive about her. And I think that you could actually see Bernie Sanders, where this whole thing started, maybe coming back and voting for her out of the loyalty that she had shown to him in the past. I think that's not out of the realm of possibility. And he obviously shares.
some of her anti-war views. But I think that this is a situation where there are a lot of paths for her to end up getting through. But which one works out? You know, if she gets more, she could end up getting more opposition, you know, more support from some key Democrats that puts her over even in the face of Republican opposition. In basic terms, is it that the Democrats...
are worried about her reform. And the Republicans who don't like her are worried about her foreign policy. Because she has said some controversial things. For example... Did she have a meeting with Assad in 2017? Yes, she did. Famously, Barry Weiss called her an Assad toady on the Joe Rogan podcast. she uh attitude i don't i don't think she would still hold to that today i think she's retracted barry's retracted i'm pretty sure but but one thing i would say about that trip
She went to Lebanon with Dennis Kucinich, I think, on that trip without knowing in advance that they were going to go and meet with Assad. Then she was already on it, and I think that she decided to go. I don't think it was designed to be. anything more than, you know, a member of Congress meeting someone who they frankly wanted to see a wind down of conflict and war. I think that there's some...
degree of naivete that affected that. And I think that she's learned a lot from it. My view of Tulsi is pretty simple. She's even though she's a very complex and interesting person. People have to understand her through the lens of the experience during the war on terror, her experiences as a warfighter in that context. She was in Iraq and Kuwait. Yes. The situation that I think emerges from that for a lot of people, you can call it PTSD. You can just call it having.
kind of a dominant effect on the way that you view the world. But I think it's something that affected her. And I think it affected J.D. Vance. I think it affected a lot of people who've come back from that. I think it affected Pete Hegseth. You know, one of the reasons that...
I look at Pete a little differently from, you know, some of his some of his critics. And I say this is someone who's known him since 2011. We're not like close friends, but we were colleagues at Fox and at the blaze. I think. He's someone who was profoundly dealt for several years after his experiences in war with a lot of the challenges that face our veterans when they come back. PTSD, stress.
You see a lot of alcoholism. You see a lot of substance abuse. You see a lot of things that you see a lot of wrecked marriages. You know, you see a lot of things that people have lived through in that generation that's now entering. I'm 43, you know. there's a whole cohort of people who were my friends when I was in college who signed up, you know, um, I changed, I mean, nine 11 changed my life. I was, I wanted to be a national geographic reporter. I wanted to go around and like,
You know, go to interesting places, live there for three months and write a big piece about it. Instead, I quit college and went and worked for the White House and was a speechwriter for George W. Bush and for the administration there for, you know, a number of years and then on Capitol Hill for.
John Cornyn for a number of years. And I never would have done that because I wanted to be a magazine writer. Now, cut to 20 years later, and I am a magazine writer. And it's great. But I do think that... There's so many people for whom that period of time changed their lives and who the experience of war changed their lives. And I think finally with this administration, we are going to see.
numerous people in key positions whose lives and careers were changed by that experience. And the lessons that they took from those experiences can be different. and varied i think you know mike waltz's lessons are going to be different than tulsi gabbard's lessons but what are the lessons well i think that some people I think at the center of it, I think is humility, which is to say to look back on the Bush administration and the idea that as Dick Cheney said, you know, we would.
be greeted as liberators you know when we went into baghdad that that was something that was false bravado uh that we were trying to Achieve too much. And frankly, that when the democracy agenda people took over the conversation, it really shifted things in a dramatic way. There's a there's a piece. Many years ago in commentary magazine written by one of the people who was a key part of that effort to reform Iraq that I still recall.
He wrote in part about the lessons learned from that. And I'm going to paraphrase because I won't get it exactly accurate. Do all men yearn for freedom? On some level, yes. They learn for other things too. Some men prefer security to freedom. Some men prefer faith to freedom. Some men kiss their chains. And I think that there is a...
a lesson in that about the differences of culture and the differences of history that needed to be learned from that experience. And that perhaps the best outcome that we could have is a place that... was less of an enemy or was less of a problem for our allies in the region where fewer people were getting their heads chopped off on a regular basis and not something that would be, you know, a domino effect that would.
establish a constitutional republic with, you know, the George Washington of Baghdad or something like that coming in. So is what you're saying... a sort of backlash against neoconservatism, a backlash... Very much so. Trump's always been anti-Iraq war. I do think that this general American populist movement...
2005, they spent a trillion dollars on failed wars in the Middle East. All of these people were active participants on. Five years later, of course, is the trillion dollar Wall Street bailouts. It seems to me that the American populist movement is animated by... a movement against, well, it's not just these individuals who fought and saw firsthand how disastrous it was, but the whole country has kind of turned against that. Yes, and I think that, you know...
You don't have to have someone in your family yourself in order to see the reflections of this. One of the more interesting studies that was done by a professor. Canadian professor, I believe, who looked at the map of basically the Trump vote in 2016, found that one of the things that was a big indication of movement was not that you were
sort of a member of the forgotten class yourself of white working Americans who came back from war or military service and got hooked on fentanyl or something like that. It was that you were adjacent to it. Meaning that...
You had someone who was in your family who was going through this experience. It was there weren't enough of those experiences to make the difference in terms of the voters in this. But if you had a proximity to that higher levels of drug use, higher levels of bankruptcy, higher levels of.
losing your house and your job, then the lesson you took away from that was something needs to change because of what's happening to my uncle or what's happening to my nephew, what's happening to my friend. And I think that that's something that's... very true of the american experience over the last several years and it's one that democrats frankly used to be a lot more aware of um they were
much more attuned to the way that these decisions affected people, certainly in the Vietnam era they were. And that's something that... I think that their party generally lost and then they lost it during the Obama years where they basically said we have this new coalition of. The up and coming urban elite and the college educated students. And, you know, we have a coalition that looks a lot more like our donor class, frankly, like they want it to look then.
You know, having these people who cling to their guns and their religion, which obviously Barack Obama said not in the general. He said it in the primary when he was battling Hillary before the. the Pennsylvania primary. And that's one of the reasons he said that he criticized voters who were still. clinging to their guns and religion. Bitter clingers. Bitter clingers. And Pelosi's still banging that drum. So that's kind of his preface to the deplorables comment on his own side. Now...
What I do think is indicative, though, of all of this is, or what I think all of these Avenger selections, as you describe them, indicate, Trump is casting a really wide net here. But the avoidance of naming people who even have. The least amount of neocon association with them is very interesting. There was a surprise when he announced early on that Mike Pompeo was not going to be back into the admin. Everybody knew Nikki Haley wasn't going to.
go back in because she was not going to be she ran against him obviously but when he announced that Pompeo was not going to go back in a lot of people sort of said hmm because Pompeo has a reputation for being a hawk vaguely neoconservative in some ways. Obviously, he is a veteran and also was the head of the CIA and was secretary of state for Trump in his first term. And he was viewed as a loyal soldier for Trump and someone who...
Fought for him in the press, obviously chose not to run against him when he easily could have. And I think that that's something that made people kind of say, oh. You know, he's going to have a higher standard for keeping anybody who is associated with like the traditional think tank swamp blob out. But Rubio is the new pick. So Rubio... I would argue that Rubio, more than anyone else who ran in 2016 against Trump, I think Rubio learned the most from it and the toughest lessons about...
who to trust, about who he could count on. He was backed to such a degree by neoconservatives. He was backed by other people too. He was actually backed by a lot of social conservatives. Ted Cruz was kind of the Tea Party candidate, you know, and that kind of thing. But I think that what Rubio has learned in the years since then has been very helpful to him. And especially when it comes to his focus on dealing with the China problem, which is obviously the central.
issue I view for the secretary of state. He's got a lot of issues to deal with, but I think that that's the central one. And he also became a lot more populous when it came to his economic views. He stops just sounding like a lockstep free trader. He became much more open to some of the areas where. Use of trade policy to advance the American interest is something that he's much more open to. He still has a little bit of a foot there.
in that side of things. And I think that's why he didn't get picked to be VP, even though he was in the final running. Uh, but I do think that having him at sex date. If you have a guy like that who has more of a diplomatic bent to him, you have a guy in Waltz who is going to be at NSC who's going to be the... I think he's going to be essentially the Western hemisphere guy, the Mexico focused guy and battling cartels and things like that. And then you have Tulsi. That's pretty much the.
That's the American rights foreign policy spectrum right now. They've gotten rid of the neocons effectively or they've self-yeeded themselves into the Democratic coalition. And this is the new, this is what the new right looks like, at least for now. If it has permanence, it's, that's a, that's an open question because Tulsi is just one person.
You know, Rand Paul is just one person. Thomas Massey is just one person. Can you turn that into something that's more of a of a intel skeptical restraint in terms of foreign policy, you know, approach? I will say Tulsi applauded the killing of Qasem Soleimani, and I think that there's a whole group of Americans who are absolutely fine with reaching out on occasion to kill a really bad terrorist.
But there is definitely much, especially after the Afghanistan debacle, which one could argue Joe Biden never- Biden's Afghanistan debacle. Yes. To pull out, yeah. I think that people have said, we never want to see that happen again. And, you know, to have such a sour, bad taste in your mouth for all the veterans who served over there looking back and saying, what did we get out of this? You know, what did we get from all the loss of life and treasure time, you know?
And I think that the answer to that is very, very low. So actually neoconservatism has left America sore and raw. And so that's what this movement is. So why is Kash Patel then so controversial? I think Kash Patel is controversial because Kash Patel is very honest about what he wants to do. Which is? Which is, I think he believes the FBI is shot through with partisan, corrupt people.
You know, not all the agents, obviously, but that. Who doesn't believe that? You know, I mean, the bureaucracy of it, the agents themselves, you know, the hierarchy that they abuse their power. that they have too much power automatically, you know, and that he wants to go in there and clean house. And I will say.
Cash, you know, he had a number of different roles in the first administration, including, you know, in his background as U.S. attorney and his background as as someone who, you know, the key thing that he did was he wrote and drafted the Devin Nunes memo. That went out about the investigation that Adam Schiff and other Democrats were conducting because he was so infuriated by what he saw. What investigation? So this is the.
the main Russiagate investigation, the first, uh, that led of course, uh, eventually to the first impeachment. The, what Cash observed, he was working on the Hill for Devin Nunes at the time, who was the ranking member. was Schiff and his fellow Democrats would have these private interviews and meetings that Republicans would sit in on that were supposed to be.
you know, secret and behind the scenes. And then Schiff and all the Democrats would go out and go on air on camera and make all these wild claims about what had been disclosed. You know, you will remember Schiff saying, oh, yes, we absolutely have evidence that. Donald Trump was compromised by Russia, you know, just saying that repeatedly. And he was infuriated by it and basically put out a memo that kind of went chapter and verse and said, you know, they are.
And selectively quoting and exaggerating these things that these witnesses are saying in order to try to create this narrative. And that's a big no-no when you're on those intel committees to come out with something like that. But he was ultimately proven correct. And so he has a lot of enemies in this town and it'll be interesting to me to see what happens, but he's very honest about how much.
He wants to go in there and smash the place up and just – Does he have power to do that? Because I listen to some people talk about these. I listen to, for example, Mike Benz talk about the deep state. And Mike Benz himself was – was in there and the way he describes it is like actually how much can they really do how much can someone even at the top come in and this maybe applies to all of these roles that are being
These people have been put forward to these new roles, whether it's Tulsi or Patel. How much can they actually go in there and change things up? Well, it depends on… Whether you follow the letter of the law or whether you follow the norms, shall we say, there was a ton of controversial stuff that happened under.
George W. Bush's presidency, for instance, including the firing of a bunch of politically appointed U.S. attorneys that made, you know, the Washington Post like freak out for a month. But that is something that the president can do. When it comes to the naming of one of the few people who was going back into their same position that they held in the prior administration, one of them is Russ Vogt, who's over at the OMB.
one of the last things that he did in the prior administration was finally get across the finish line. This, uh, executive order step that would have essentially recategorized a huge chunk of bureaucrats. I say huge, but it's really only between 60 and 80,000 out of millions, obviously. of senior bureaucrats that would be reclassified as being political appointees, meaning that the president has the power to demand their resignations and that they reapply for their jobs.
The Washington, D.C. area where all these bureaucrats like believe that they run the town and that presidents are just occasional nuisances who show up. That is.
Absolutely not, Coach. To say, no, we actually have the power to recategorize you and fire you, that is something that has them completely freaked out. When you heard them freaking out, by the way, about Project 2025, that's the... number one thing that washington is worried about all that other stuff that they were talking about that's not that is just for show so why are they worried about project 2025 so what
Project 2025, which is obviously the Heritage blueprint for the new administration. Every four years, Heritage comes out with a blueprint. They just happened to brand it differently this time. They branded it Project 2025. And so Democrats seized on it as being an issue that they could use. You know, you may remember a woman in Chicago at the DNC who was holding up a giant version of it and like a mock up book, which was pretty hilarious. The truth is that.
Russ vote at own B who, you know, previously held different roles on Capitol Hill and the like for many years. And I've known him for many years. He did tons of work with heritage in the past on this same point. And it's, it's basically. It's incredibly boring stuff, but it's reform of the administrative state. It's the, it's the essentially. ending permanent bureaucratic employment. And that was written in Project 2025. It is a key part of it. A note on Project 25.
Listeners, of course, will remember that Trump throughout his campaign was distancing himself. He even called them the radical right. I think he might have called them the extreme right. Because he thought they were going to make him lose. We had Dr. Kevin Roberts, chairman of, I believe, of Heredia.
foundation the think tank behind it and he on the show openly said yeah trump said that and then called me up that night i was like yeah i just had to say it trump absolutely lied about it's a little bit knowing kevin roberts a little bit
First off, I'm sure it's 100% true, because Kevin wouldn't make that up. It's not in his interest to say that about Trump. Also, it was just shocking from a conservative... think tank perspective because think tanks typically they put out these big things i actually got a physical copy of it just because i want to keep it as it's it's this thick like no no one actually read all of this you know and they were just using it as a scary symbol but
Think tanks have to beg and plead for anyone to cover anything that they do. You know, we worked for years on this white paper that will finally solve the problems of nuclear regulation. Please read it. And it's like 10 people read it. But they're the most important 10 people. Quite a lot of nominees. are authors of. Yeah, or they're either authors or they have overlap or they worked on it in the past and it's just stuff that, I mean.
My favorite part of it is there's a chapter on FEC reform by Hans von Spakovsky, who is a real person, a very smart guy who works at Erange. And it's like the idea that... Hans has been working on FEC reform for like, you know, 25 years maybe, and then suddenly he becomes controversial. But the thing that is important to understand about this is it's about reordering. Who really has the power in this relationship? Does the duly elected president and the executive branch.
that works for him, the political appointees that work for him, do they have the power to dictate policy in accordance with what Americans voted for? Or are bureaucrats basically allowed to stick their foot in the dirt? And say we're not moving for the next four years in the hopes that we can get a Democrat elected who will just let us run wild. Because that's exactly, by the way, what happened under Biden.
All the things that they'd been waiting on to do under Hillary came back out again. OK, and and Biden himself was not leading any of this. It was all. You know, his underlings basically just saying, do whatever you want. HHS, do whatever you want. Department of Education, do whatever you want. You know, it's not like Biden was saying we need trans, you know, people in girl sports. We need to have boys being able to compete with girls.
That's not something that came from Biden. It's just that all the bureaucrats there looked at that Title IX rule that came out of Betsy DeVos and Donald Trump. And said, we hate this. We're going to get rid of this as soon as possible. And we're going to force people in public school districts across the country to do this because we think that it's important. And that comes from the bureaucrats. And that's the real.
danger that we have in america i think is that people have been in in 19 in 1980 it was a change election in 1992 it was a change election In 2000, it was a change election, barely. In 2008, it was a big change election. And in 2016, it was a change election. And now we've had back to back change elections, though I would argue that the Biden one is weird because it's mostly a. change about people just wanting to go back to work and
you know, get out of this COVID authoritarian stuff. By the way, I do believe that was Trump's undoing his last year in office. He made so many mistakes related to that, I think was, yeah, but, but, but anyway, the point is. The American people have been demanding change. The reason that change hasn't happened is because these bureaucrats...
They're all the same bureaucrats. They've been here since the 90s. You know, they don't want to change. They like the way things work and they want to keep control of their safety. What you're saying actually makes sense because one of the questions I've been asking myself for probably the majority of Biden's... presidency is who exactly is running this ship? It's not him. In fact, I was listening on the way here to Senator, Speaker Johnson speaking again to Barry Weiss.
about how he'd had just had a meeting with President Biden about LNG, I think liquid natural gas. Biden had put some sort of new policy through three weeks ago. Johnson asked him about it and Biden had no idea what he was talking about. And so it seems to me no one's home. Peter Ducey, who covers the White House for Fox.
And I encourage you to look this up and check it out. He just ran through kind of a bunch of things that clearly came out of him wanting to say them publicly now that he can, because there's only two days left in this admin where. He just talked about how they orchestrated and kept Biden away from the press because.
One of the things that would happen, especially early in the presidency, is when they could shout at him and they were close enough that he could hear them, he would come to them and talk to them because he obviously has done that his whole career as a politician. What they did is that they would move them further away. They would play music so he couldn't hear them whatever questions they were shouting. They would create scenarios whenever he was giving.
like something he needed to present to them where they would use the smallest room possible. They would have the podium immediately in front of whatever door he was going to enter from. And then. another door directly in his line of sight so that he would come in, give the statement and then, you know, have like a.
Literally, you know, like a 10 foot walk to the next door so that they had so little time to shout a question at him. Because if we know one thing about Joe Biden throughout his entire career is. He's always been a guy who'd like talked too much and like would wind himself into knots and get in trouble for things that he said. And basically they just put him in this box to try to prevent the media from being able to see.
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There's a quote from Chuck Schumer that was reported in the Wall Street Journal recently that he would have phone calls with Biden routinely even much earlier in the presidency where Biden would call him and they would have a conversation and then Biden would admit he had forgotten why he was calling.
Wow. I mean, you describe him having easy access to get off the rostrum or whatever, but bless his cotton socks, even with the door right in front of him, he's seriously the poor bastard getting lost. I know, I know. He would still get lost. Kash Patel, then, is he... So the way you're talking, the picture you paint is that it's the bureaucracy. Yeah.
versus the people and trump is and all these people these these avengers he's putting it's to tear apart the bureaucracy so uh i'm interested in to understand then this is the war we should be focusing on then for the next four years this is the battle that's going on. What strengths do each side have? What's the defense the bureaucracy have against Kash Patel? And what's the line of attack for Kash Patel? So the line of attack for Kash Patel is going to be, I think he's...
I would not be surprised if he shows up and he has a list of names already who are going to get fired or going to get suspended or going to have to go through a process and that kind of thing. I'm sure that he does. That's unique for him. That's not going to be true of everybody. The thing that I think is definitely going to happen is the bureaucracy fires back.
They always fire back. And the way that they fire back is that they leak. They seek to undermine you. You're going to have all of these Avengers show up and they're going to have different advantages and disadvantages based on the place that they're going into.
Many of these places, the bureaucrats have cultivated relationships with the reporters who cover them at places like Washington Post, Politico, industry publications, et cetera, where they're going to seek to leak and undermine these different figures. in embarrassing ways, in...
They don't know what they're doing ways. The way the State Department, for instance, leaked heavily about Rex Tillerson was a real shock to him. I think it's one of the reasons he lasted such a short amount of time as Secretary of State, despite literally running Exxon. So it takes somebody who has some capability. And you see that happen really across the way with the exception of the Pentagon. The Pentagon tends to be the place that leaks less, which is one of the reasons why.
It took us like a week to realize that Lloyd Austin hadn't been seen because he'd taken off to get some surgery done that he hadn't told people about. Who's he? Lloyd Austin was the Secretary of Defense under Biden. Okay, okay. So the...
The thing that I would anticipate is that you're going to start seeing negative stories about these people immediately. As soon as they show up in their job and try to do something that bureaucrats don't like, then they're going to start firing back in all the ways they know how. They'll invent stories, but they'll also...
come up with things that, and this is something that they do a lot. There are all sorts of different requirements of your job that when you get into these cabinet roles that are.
things that are not central to the priorities of a new administration yeah so all the different stuff that you just have to tick off automatically and deal with Many bureaucrats will kind of play hide the ball with that type of stuff and then use the fact that you didn't pay attention to it as an example of like an embarrassing thing that you just failed to do. And a similar, by the way, tactic to something like what we saw in the Pete Hegseth hearing when.
I can't remember if it was Duckworth or Hirono asked Hank Seth, uh, about his opinion of, of the ASEAN Alliance. Uh, and, uh, Pete, uh, clearly a little bit confused, started talking about South Korea and Japan and that kind of thing. And the senator immediately jumped in and said, well, none of those are in the ASEAN alliance. You need to do more of your research, et cetera.
Well, one of the reasons that he wouldn't know about the ASEAN alliance or have been briefed on it is because it's an economic alliance, not a military alliance. And so he actually doesn't really have. I mean, it's.
It's Malaysia, Indonesia, all the, you know, all of those, the Philippines, et cetera. But it's economic. And so it wouldn't have been part of his briefing package anyway. But also in that, that you could see talking about tactics or they were trying to get him about his family affairs, his...
his affairs, his children, they were really going ad hominem as if that was anyone's business. It's obviously not. Well, it's not, but it's also, again, you know, I was talking earlier about we have a generation of people who went through something that... These people didn't, you know, there's part of this too, is recency bias, you know, in the sense that if you have something like this in your history and you've, uh, you know, been sort of.
10 years in a different area of industry or something like that. Pete went from criticizing these senators to being in front of them in the space of three months. You know, criticizing them constantly on TV, you know, especially over the way that they've treated the American military, which is a travesty. And, you know, having family in the military.
both my wife's side and my side, you know, the way that they speak about the things that have gone on there and how much they are surrounded by people who are depressed by the experience and how low morale has been. You need someone like Pete who understands that, I think, to go in there and actually shake up the place. I like Pete. I think he will get confirmed. I think he's allayed a lot of the concerns of people about his own personal life and everything like that.
i think he would be good in that in that job but i think that one of the big reasons though that You have to make a huge move like that is that we've been seeing this morale get lower and lower and lower and recruiting getting tougher and tougher and tougher. You know, they finally had to bring back be all you can be because none of their other slogans.
So I think that what you're seeing here, though, is a return to the presidency for Trump in a way that indicates so much about what he learned from the first experience. He wants loyal people. He's not going to hire John Bolton types who disagree with him fundamentally, even if it gains him some respect from people who he no longer, his opinion, their opinion no longer matters to him.
He's going to hire people who are good communicators. He's going to hire people who can stand up and make the case for themselves and for their for the policy that he wants them to pursue. And I think that he's going to trust that the next.
echelon down of people who are hired into the deputy and assistant secretary positions are going to be the people who know the policy areas know where the bodies are buried and are show up basically with the command to really pursue the kind of bureaucratic reform that is dramatic and that he wants to see he's splitting the job effectively he's got communicators at the top and then i mean a perfect example of this i would say is
You look at RFK and HHS, the, you know, RFK, obviously very little experience in terms of government, you know, experience as an attorney, et cetera, and mostly in the environmental realm. But then. underneath rfk you name uh jim o'neill to be his second in command jim who is uh who was my old boss 20 years ago uh is a guy who has spent his career working in health policy, working in – he's part of Peter Thiel's longevity projects and everything related to that, helped run the foundation there.
is someone who's extremely intelligent, Ivy League pedigree, et cetera. And so when you get somebody who has worked at HHS before to go back in, who has that kind of resume, he's the person who's going to be tasked with like... You know how to shake up this place. You know how to go after the bureaucracy. We can't talk about this new war that's in front of us, bureaucracy versus the people, without talking about Doge, Elon Musk, and Vivek Ramaswamy.
Vivek, I mean, if you read his books, he's been talking about this problem for a long time. He's also been made to stand down from the Doge Project, Department of Government Efficiency. after the h1b visa affair scandal twitter yeah uh storm um and so i wouldn't mind getting into um vivek but i i guess perhaps we should start on doge and elon musk because is this the biggest play is doge the most important thing about this whole war is it where does it fit in to um
tactics and strategy? I think it's incredibly important when it comes to the potential for a dramatic change. Doge, the problem with all of these different... Commissions and groups of politicians and people who come together to try to save the taxpayer money or to. you know, go after various expenditures that are enormously wasteful of which there is so much in government that is enormously wasteful is that they run up against the challenges of.
You know, institutionalized bureaucracy that likes the way things run. You know, there are whole industries that depend on the decisions that we make about food stamps in America and that kind of thing. And then there is also. The bureaucrats who want to keep power for themselves, the fiefdoms there that relate to the industry and work hand in hand. And a lot of times those same bureaucrats are planning to go and work for those industries when they leave eventually. And then.
There's the problem of PR, which is essentially. No one is going to read all the waste that you find. The waste book, which has existed in the Senate for quite some time, the late Senator Tom Coburn. What is the waste book? The waste. He started it. It's essentially. It was an effort to try to collect and tabulate the amounts of programs, earmarks, and funding.
that Coburn and his other fellow fiscal conservatives considered to be waste. And it was massive. It's this huge binder. And I don't know if you recall, you may not have been paying attention to politics back then, but the existence of the bridge to nowhere. in Alaska became a big deal at the time. What year is this? This would have been so...
This was Ted Stevens. This is a Tea Party era thing. So this would have been 09, I want to say. So this is a long time ago. But anyway, the Bridge to Nowhere was... A project meant to replace a ferry that was going to a small Alaskan island with a bridge that was going to be far, far more expensive than running the ferry. And there were only a handful of people who even.
So it made no sense. OK, but it was obviously something that contractors got pushed through as an earmark in order to have the funding to build it. And essentially, this project became something that was.
because it was such a silly and outrageous thing to do, became a popular symbol of government waste. Paying attention to government waste, though, is typically very boring. It's things like Medicare fraud and things like that that have... convoluted explanations and uh and it's very difficult for people to publicize them elon musk
can publicize something in a second. Okay. He can take something that's interesting and wasteful and tell millions and millions and millions of people about it in an instant. And so that. The issue is that basically by putting someone like that in charge of something instead of your average ex-senator or sort of the bookish accountant types that typically do this type of work.
You have a built-in advantage when it comes to making the case that, hey, this is a horrible program over here. We shouldn't be spending any money on it. And I'm going to highlight it for everybody. That's a very good observation, actually. When I'd thought of Elon Musk, I think of what he did at Twitter, reducing, I think, the staff by down to 20% or something like that, down to a third.
But actually, his foghorn, his megaphone, which is actually one of the brilliant things about Trump in terms of one of his... tools that he can use is he can make very uninteresting things worldwide news. He did that with Greenland. Who knew about the Delta smelt? But it is one of these things where...
Having the power to change the conversation around these things is critical. Rather than just have another boring commission that comes out with a report that nobody reads and then Congress just rejects it out of hand. I think what you're going to see with this is, and Elon, I think, understands this, is it's important to get early wins. It's important to come out with things very early on that can be...
targeted and become examples of yes, we can really do this. And the president has the power to do it. You know, Congress can. Yes, it has the power of the purse strings. They can appropriate money for these things. But when you have situations like you did during COVID where an extraordinary percentage of people who had been put on the list of.
Those who should not receive government funding, whether for past crimes, fraud, et cetera, ended up getting a ton of COVID money anyway, because they were just trying to push it out the door. That's not a tenable situation. We can't have that as a government. It's not functional and it doesn't represent the taxpayer. So do you think that Musk, as well as the foghorn that he has, the megaphone, does he...
What can we sort of expect from Doge practically speaking? Is there any talk about what kind of team they're going to put together? Is Elon actually going to run the thing or is he going to?
I think just be the megaphone. Is he going to bring in some? I think he's expected Vivek was going to do that. Yes. But now that he's not. Yeah. Who is? I think that that's still unclear, though. The people that they have been hiring and I've seen some of the I've read some of the profiles of them, you know, include.
a lot of people who have backgrounds in accounting but are outside of government and that type of thing. One of the big holdups in Washington for all of these types of reforms is, again, the letter of the law versus norms. The idea that the Pentagon can't survive an audit would be unacceptable if you just viewed it in.
you know, at arm's length. But in Washington, they just say, oh, of course I can't survive an audit. You know, it's complicated. And it's in the interest of a lot of people that it doesn't have audits because they want to be able to keep making ridiculous things for. enormous expense because you obviously have the old factor of all these disparate people.
pouring money into Washington and no one having it in their own self-interest individually to ask the question of why are we spending money on X? Can we... Can I ask about Vivek Ramazwamy? Sure. I don't know. I wonder if what's happening to him is sort of a precursor to maybe what it's going to look like when there are fallouts. But why is it that he is no longer part of Doge?
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you have with a vague is a very short history. And there are a lot of people I think who either dislike him in the Trump orbit. or who viewed him as kind of a grifter or very new to this whole thing. And the idea that he was kind of trying to go too fast, too quickly was definitely there. personally think that this is an opportunity for him to kind of reset if he truly is going to yeah but why because
He's got the megaphone. He's very effective at getting a message out to a lot of people. So that's one of the things that Trump looks for, as you've already said. He's got it. He seems to be unbelievably competent. If you look at his record, he's actually achieved a hell of a lot very quickly. People might question that. But I look at it and go like, wow, he's a young man. And he's achieved a lot. And the H-1B visa scandal.
As far as it's a scandal, I understand it sort of split the tech right from the MAGA right. Bannon's come out and said that Elon Musk is pure evil. That was the exact phrase. Truly evil guy, I think, was the exact phrase he used.
But Elon's still there. It hasn't blown up in Elon's face. Maybe he's just too powerful. And maybe it's as simple as that. But so what? They've got different opinions on this one thing, which actually is not even... relevant to the doge thing i don't even see what the link i actually think that the problem there is you're thinking about this in policy terms and i think it was more about what he was saying in those tweets pissing off americans when i what i
would just advise you is that okay so what did he say in those tweets when he was talking about how okay but did you did you read the whole thread but for listeners who so so i would i mean I would encourage people to go back and read his old thread because I don't want to mischaracterize it. But there were a lot of people who felt that what he was essentially saying with this series of tweets was depicting, and I don't want to.
say this in a racial way kind of a asian tiger mom indian whatever what have you depiction of what your priorities ought to be as a student um He talks about nerds and jocks, and he talks about how, you know, you need to be more focused on all of these different things in your life that are about. technology and the pursuit of this type of education-first kind of agenda, that we have too many sleepovers, that we have too much socialization as a priority when it comes to kids and raising them.
That we have that our focus should instead be on this kind of tech bro, for lack of a better term, hierarchy of achievement. That is profoundly at odds with what. Most Americans and conservatives desire for themselves and for their families. When my wife and Laura Loomer. And Ann Coulter are all mad at you at the same time. That means that you stepped in it. Okay. And so what I'm saying is that view is inherently at odds with the experience of. Americans with kids, especially...
post COVID where the big problem is not enough socialization. The big problem is that kids spent two years looking at screens. The big problem is that they didn't have the opportunity. I mean, he criticizes school sports in that.
School sports, I think, is one of the most important things that comes out of the youthful experience. You learn as much from that as you do in a classroom, especially about other humans and about how to relate to them. And the fact that you just want to sort of toss all that aside and say. Nope. You should just focus on learning the code. That's the way that came across. And I think that that stuck in people's craws way more than the H1B thing, because it sounds so tone deaf to.
What the American experience has been and what people view as our current challenges. I mean, one of the things to keep in mind, one of my favorite sociologists who's working. today is named Ryan Burge. And I hope that you talk to him at some point. He is a professor who focuses on researching American religion. You can find his sub stack at graphs about religion. And it's really fascinating stuff. One of the things that he tracks is.
of course, the downfall, the decline of faith in America, the decline of faith in religious institutions. But one thing that's really interesting, and he comes back to it pretty frequently, is that Culturally religion and religious community is still held as hugely important, even by Americans. and particularly traditionalist, not just conservative, but traditionalist Americans, whether Republican or Democrat, even if they aren't participating in it themselves.
Which is fascinating. It's like people know this is a good thing. I wish we had more of it in our culture and in our life. I wish we had more people who were meeting at church instead of on apps. I think that that's a very positive thing. It gives me hope for the future that we can rediscover that because I think it's essential to the survival of not just the American Republic, but to the West. But I also think that when you.
start saying those things about achievement that sound like they're built in the Silicon Valley lab, people just recoil from it. Most people just don't like that. And they would vastly prefer, you know, to hear the kind of things that come out of. Someone like J.D. Vance, where he appreciates, I think, both sides of that. Okay, so we sort of covered a great deal of Vivek and we touched on RFK. I suppose we're going to...
Talk about the Avengers. J.D. Vance, vice president. He seems like a pretty obviously key Avenger. How does he fit into this? I think this is going to be really fascinating because you have a combination of... A vice president who has very strongly held opinions about policy in the world. Clearly, you know, he's been writing about these issues for more than a decade. has his own opinions, came around relatively late to...
In fact, you know, he was criticizing Trump even after he first got elected, which is not true of, you know, a lot of the people who, you know, are able to navigate their way into Trump's orbit. But I think that. In Vance, you have someone who is also a young, ambitious guy who wants very much for this administration to be a success so that he can use it as a...
Jumping off point for his own run for the presidency, which everyone anticipates he'll be making in four years. Vance, I think, is critical in the role of not just defending what the president does. which he's shown himself so capable of doing over the past several months. But he's also, I think, critical because a lot of the different hirings and policy direction on this.
for this administration are going to be areas that he has deep sentiments about, whether it's child tax credits, whether it's boosting family formation. helping out the working class in America, trade policy, you know, his attitude towards China and tariffs. And he's also, of course, very close to people in Silicon Valley, given his background. And he's someone who I think has strong opinion.
about AI and about different areas of America's advancement that are atypical for a vice president to have. Certainly, it's... You could not imagine someone with less in common with the prior vice president. But what's his role in the battle against bureaucracy? I think JD is very well aware of the challenge that bureaucracy represents to all of those, that basically we have an entrenched system that has to be dramatically changed.
not just by putting someone different in charge of it, but by rooting out a lot of the different elements that have held on there for far too long. And Vance understands that, I think, to a greater degree. And is willing to push the envelope to a greater degree, certainly than someone like Mike Pence, who comes from the old guard, polite Republican conservative establishment. He is a conservative, but the conservative establishment that really doesn't like.
impoliteness or ruffling feathers. JD is the opposite of that. He is a fighter and the hillbilly in him comes out when he gets into a real scrap. And I think that that proved to be very much to his advantage. incredibly intelligent guy. And so I think that it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out, what he prioritizes as vice president and how effective he's going to be in. pushing these various aspects of the agenda that I think he understands are critical to Trump's success.
So Ben, tying this all together then, the sort of Avengers versus the bureaucrats, how do we tie a bow on this conversation? What have I missed? What are the other key aspects of this battle that presumably we're going to be all watching keenly for the next four years? I think the... element of this that you've missed, if there is one, is how Republicans on Capitol Hill respond to all of this. As you know, there's a very slim margin in the House. And Donald Trump...
plucked a ton of people from the House to go into his administration. And you have new senators, people who are going to be there for the first time, who are going to change the body in different ways, including, of course, replacements for Marco Rubio. And that's I think going to lead to a Capitol Hill environment that's far more Trumpian than it has been at any point.
When he was first elected, it was a surprise. You had Paul Ryan leading the House, very different priorities than Donald Trump. You had Mitch McConnell as leader in the Senate, very different priorities, including open animosity from Trump. And that's something that.
Really impacted the way that the agenda played out on Capitol Hill. This time around, you don't have any of those problems. You have a united front, really, when it comes to these policies, especially from the members who made the difference in winning the House, which are. Red districts in blue states, meaning districts in California and New York. And those are people who essentially came into our politics after Trump arrived.
You also have a whole set of new Democrats, Democrats who've been elected post 16, who haven't been around for a very long time, who don't have any of that animosity that came out of the women's March and things like that back in 16 and 17. didn't allow them the possibility of working with Trump.
We've already seen that from John Fetterman going down to Mar-a-Lago and Trump, I think, speaking very highly of him, not just because he respects him politically, but because he views Fetterman as being a Democrat he can work with. I do think that that is legitimately going to change a number of the ways that these policy debates play out. Before, you had someone like Joe Manchin, who was always kind of an independent streak guy, wasn't necessarily representative of the Democratic coalition.
And left after becoming an independent in the very end of his tenure as well as Christian cinema. Now I think you have a set of Democrats. who feel like they can cross over to vote for things like the Lake and Riley bill, that they can be with the president on immigration issues to a greater degree. You wouldn't see anything like that going back to 2017, 2018. What does that all mean?
Well, I think it means that conservatives, traditional conservatives, free marketers, people who resemble basically the policies of the pre-Trump era who are still very much around in Washington and on Capitol Hill. They are going to have points of contention with this. We've already seen that in the president's animosity towards someone like House member Chip Roy from Texas, who's a strong fiscal conservative, getting into it a little bit with Thomas Massey and the like.
The hardcore fiscal conservatives, I think they're not going to like certain aspects of Trump's agenda because he's going to be someone who is far more open to government spending than they would like him to be and who wants to use that spending power in different ways. What I do think is going to end up, though, is he's going to be able to get a lot more done this time around than he ever was the last time around. The Russiagate investigation.
the animosity of Democrats, including Democrats who naturally should have been on his side, meaning in critical or swing states. That prevented him from being able to advance an agenda beyond a lot of things that, you know, essentially he got his tax cuts and then a lot of it was executive orders and judicial nominations. This time around.
I think you are going to see a dramatic number of steps taken within these first two years on not just taxes, but on energy, on education, potentially. I think you're going to see. another crack at healthcare that comes late, perhaps after the midterms. And I think that you're going to see him really feel like he's got a lot more latitude to achieve things, given how much he's got a unified party behind him. And, you know.
I was saying the other day, this reminds me of the litany from Ferris Bueller's day off, you know, the Dweebo's, the Motorheads, you know, they all think he's a righteous dude. And so that to me is. uh, something that potentially will lead to a far more successful administration, but still have to execute it. You still have to make it happen. And priorities, I think are going to be key in a moment when you've got.
I mean, you can go through the list. You've got Syria falling. You have, you know, ISIS reborn. You have Iran shaking its fist. You have. the frustration surrounding the continuing war in Ukraine and Russia. You have... a Europe that doesn't really know what they're doing. Canada's about to have a new leader. There's a new president in Mexico who's going to, I mean, he got along with AMLO. He's not going to get along with Scheinbaum, I don't think. And I think that you have.
A recognition with statements like he's made about the Panama Canal and with Greenland that this is going to be an administration. when it comes to foreign policy and national security, very mindful of the security of the Western hemisphere and protecting that as a first priority. Unentangling a lot of the different relationships that we've had overseas that he believes we've gotten a raw deal from demanding our allies step up more in a lot of different areas. And how that plays out.
You have to go through all those things before you even get to domestic policy. So there's a lot of things that he's going to have to be dealing with from day one. Yeah, that's for sure. Well, Ben Dominic, thank you so much for speaking with me and unpacking the Avengers versus... The bureaucracy, one which I will be keenly watching. I'm sure you will as well. And maybe we should have a catch-up and appraisal.
down the line i'd love to do that how it goes but thank you and where can listeners and viewers find you sure uh you can find my sub stack at the transom the transom.com i'm editor at large of the spectator world which you can find at the spectator.com i hope you'll folks will subscribe to both. And then I have my own podcast with Fox, the Ben Domenech podcast. Such an inventive name. Wonderful. Well, Ben, thank you so much for your time. And we'll do it again.
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