*SPECIAL GUEST JAMES "MURR" MURRAY* Where is Area 51 & Who Is Georgia O'Keefe

another name from my big conspiracy board. Maybe you should look at more of Georgia O'Keeffe's paintings. B, and calm down. I can't calm down. Aren't you at all concerned about what they're hiding at Area fifty one? I don't know, B. I don't really think Area fifty one has aliens extraterrestrials. No, I'm talking about experimental snacks, Elliott. Think of the snacks. They probably have flavored wallpaper, everlasting candy that doesn't lose its flavor, gum that has all the flavors of a

three course meal. How far does this confectionery conspiracy go? B? I believe you're thinking of Willy Wonka's splendiferous chocolate factory, not Area fifty one. I might be Yeah, I thought so. Eric, Please play the theme song you Go. What do you think you know about the grates from this story? The game is on to get some energy and buckle up your brain because it's signed to play the worst podcast because it's Sounded Flavors Who fl from Top the Land

or so called so Hell Los Angeles? Welcome to Who Was? The History plus show that gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes and podcast glory. I'm Beat your announcer and author of Chicken Soup for the co host Soul. Now here's your home, the man who learned everything he knows about basketball from space Jam. It's Ellie Helen, Thank you be and I love that sport with its monsters and cartoon rabbits. And welcome everyone to the Who Was? Podcast.

This show is like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games, and our own franchise system. That's right, you two can be a regional Elliott and B. Applications are at the door. Our contestants were sent Who Was? Works about two great figures from history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the hopes of winning Fantastic Prizes prize. Today, we're discussing Area fifty one and Georgia o'keeath to Desert Beauties on one stage. But before we get to know them,

let's get to know our contestants. All right, First up, we have Delaney. Delaney, please introduce yourself. D name is Delaney and my funk back? Are I sank enter for local Theater? Oh my goodness, that is so wonderful to hear. So are you in anything currently, Delaney? No, but I will be auditioning for high school musical? Okay, what is the high school musical? High school music? Which? Which musical

are you going to be performing into high school? Is the musical you're gonna performing in auditioning for a high school musical? It's high school the musical like the Muses, but you're in middle school. But it's a high school musical. So it's a stage musical of the movie high school musical and you're a middle schooler. Yeah. And what other shows have you been at? Rustical the musical? I've been in Cinderella, Lion King, Frozen Jr. That's all I can

really think this is a lot of credits. We've got a lot of credits already. This is a very impressive resume. Wow. Um, well, thank you for making the time to be on the show. Um. We may ask you to sing your audition song if we have time a little bit later, because I'm very curious about what one sings to audition to be in high school the musical. And also we're kind of a lot of people to know this. We're kind of auditioning

for a new co host. B just hasn't been working out, So if you want to audition later for that role, all right, Thank you so much, Delaney, And with us today we also have Maxwell Maxwell. Please introduce yourself game this, Max, and my fact is that I know the name of all nice stuff animals, all of your stuffed animals. How many stuffed animals do you have? My mom says I have hundreds, okay hundreds, and you know all of their names. If they don't know their names, then I just make

up a new one, you know what, Max. That's how I handle introductions in real life. So that's a very good skill to have. But now the big question is do your stuffed animals know your name? I don't allow that. You don't love that kind of of casual guy, non professional relationship. Yeah, you're not that familiar with them. Oh my good? Is there? Now? You don't worry. Your stuffed animals are never going to hear this. Do you have a favorite? Do you feel comfortable sharing the name of

your favorite stuffed animal with us? They're free of them. They're all like the same that you're They're all the different colors. Oh wow, what are what are their names? Dinda one? Then or two? Dio? And so are they rabbits? You're all right? What can I say? All right? Well, thank you both so much for being here today. Yes, thank you both, and thank you to Eric, our musician, for providing that lovely Meet the contestants music and all the music on the show today. So that's who is.

Now let's find out what is Area fifty one with four fast facts prospects areas if you want is built on Groom Lake, Nevada. It has been a base for the Central Intelligence Agency, and more recently, the United States Air Force. Air Force acknowledged that Area fifty one existed, even though it had been in use since nineteen Conspiracy theorists or people who believe that an event or situation is the result of a secret plan made by powerful

people are often associated with Area fifty one. The CIA formally acknowledged the existence of their base at Area fifty one and made many documents public in two thousands. All right, so now we have to ask both of you, because you've read the Area fifty one book and you understand a lot of people are like, oh, there are extraterrestrials, uh being hidden at Area fifty one. What do you to think about extraterrestrials? Do you think there's life on

other planets? I think they're possibly, could be, I'm not positive. Okay, so you haven't met any is what you're saying. Max, What about you? Do you think there are aliens out there? Or are we alone in the universe? Which would be so sad since they're definitely out there, and have you met any? Now? Okay, there's nothing I want more in my life than for them to discover aliens somewhere and for the aliens to be on TV and me to get to see what they look like. That's the thing

I want more than anything else in my life. Really, Yes, you want that more than um? Like a really good pastrami sandwich. You know what I hadn't thought about that? Okay, number two Aliens number one, that pastrami sandwich, because you really can't be the good popastrami sandwich. It can't beat a good Hops found sandwich. The only thing I can think of that's maybe a little bit better than a hopis Draamy sandwich. Is our first game. It's called true or false? True or false? Is a true and false?

Is a false? Or is a true? It's a true that it is false? Is it false that it was true? Or true? True? Horror false? I agree, Elliott, Let's get right into it. WHOA James Murray, writer of the Areas that You Went in Turns book series. Yes, also one of the stars of the hilarious TV show in Practical Jokers.

That is me. I was reading my favorite trade magazine, Sketch Comedy History Quiz podcast based on popular kids book series Monthly It's a Mouthful, and I saw that you guys are doing an entire episode on Eric fifty one. I could not miss that. WHOA? Did you come here via the Who? Was it? No? No, no, no, Actually I came here through something totally different. Was the who? Is app. It's like an app that connects people that are still alive. So like a telephone do you even

know jus just an app. It's got a jingle and everything. Eric, wonder it's so in the present edry. Wow, technology is incredible. We were just about to do our true or false game? How would you like to read the questions? Are you kidnedy? I would be honored. Let's do it, Eric, True or false? Just a tru false, it's a false? Is a true? It's a true? Little as false? Is it false that it was true? Or true? True? Horror? Fault? Mirror is really a natural at telling Eric to play music? Which

have you read in front of the kids? Caleb, keep it together. Okay, here's how this game works. Being will read a statement about Area fifty one, and you'll tell us if it's true or full false. And since it's our first game, each question is worth one point and just a disclaimer. There are a lot of stories about Area fifty one that can't be proved true or false. For this game, we're sticking to the facts that you

can be proved true or fault. We'll get to all the rumors and speculation about Area fifty one later in the show Incredible disclaiming be Delaney. Here is your first question. Okay, guys, here we go. True or false. The name Area fifty one refers to its location on the map. I believe that's true. You're right, the answer is true. Area fifty one is located in the southern corner of Nevada in

the Mojave Deserts of the western United States. The area was used by the US r ME for bomb testing, as the government felt the wide open and unpopulated spaces were safest for these tests and also for the privacy necessary for these top secret projects. The number fifty one in Area fifty one is believed to refer to the parcel of land, as it was named on a surveyors map created in the nineteen fifties. Max. This next one is for you, so cool. Okay, next question, guys. True

or false? Area fifty one was originally a lead and silver mine. I'm sorry, the answer is true. Originally a lead and silver mine. The land that became Area fifty one was acquired by the U. S. Air Force from the Atomic Energy Commission in nineteen fifty five. Maybe they should have called it Area fifty five because it was nineteen fifty five. I just throwing the ideas out there. The CIA and the Air Force don't have to take them.

It was going to be used for flight testing, mostly by the Central Intelligence Agency commonly known as the c I. A. Delaney, Let's go the next ones for you, alright, Delaney? True or false? At area fifty one, the CIA worked with the Soviet Union because they were all bored with the Cold War. Correct, the answer is false. At area fifty one, the CIA worked hard to outsmart the Soviet Union, which is a group of countries that at the time was

led by Russia. When people talk about the Cold War, they're referring to the tense relationship between the United States and the Soviet Union. From the end of World War Two and until the fall of the Berlin Wall in nine. American leaders were afraid of Russia spreading communism across the world. Both governments increased their surveillance, threats, and propaganda against each other for years. It was a huge waste of time and resources. Lots of better things they could have been

doing instead of just being mad at each other. Max, here's the last true or false. It's for you, okay, Max? Read true or false. At first, Area fifty one was called Paradise Ranch to attract employees. I'm sorry the answer is true and a little bit false, since Paradise Ranch was hardly a paradise and definitely not a ranch, but they did call it that. Area fifty one developed a lot of cutting edge technologies, and the CIA wanted to be absolutely certain that everyone working at the site could

be trusted. They were worried about Russian spies stealing us information, so the CIA conducted extensive background checks on anyone wanting to work there. I should have done more background checks for this show. Maybe then the peanut butter sandwiches I bring for lunch wouldn't disappear for free Day. Oh sure, a coincidence? Likely story, Geraldine, there's peanut butter all over your trunk and that's true or false? True? True? True, true, horror fault. That was such a fun round. Thank you

so much for helping us out. Are you kidding me? Is my honor anytime? Guys, These contestants really know their Area fifty on trivia. In fact, I would like to interview today's winner see if they've got what it takes to be an Area fifty one intern Hello, that sounds good to me. Wow, this is amazing. I'm going to take a moment to process this. It's a good time for us to take a break. We'll be right back for our second game. Okay, Eric, would you play some

secret government based music? Please? Old Herd, this joke's classified. Welcome back to Who Was podcast? Today we're learning what is area fifty one and who was Georgia o'keee. Now back to your host Elliott Galen, Thank you. The Let's go to our producer producer Jane with the scores be and Elliott. I want to tell you that so far it's all Delaney with two points and Max zero, and that could be a conspiracy. I'm glad that Jane is asking the questions that need to be asked. But this

is just the beginning of the game. It's still very close and could be anyone's game. But first, let's find out who was Georgia O'Keeffe with four fast facts prospects. Georgia O'Keeffe was born in eighteen eighty seven and died in ninety six. Georgia O'Keeffe was a pioneering painter who incorporated shapes from nature like flowers and cow skulls into

her work. In ninety six, at age fifty eight, Georgia O'Keeffe was the first female artist to have a solo exhibition at the Museum of Modern Art in New York City. George's influence can be seen not just in what she created, but in how she lived. She helped pave the way for other female artists to be seen as professionals and

not amateurs prospects. So we want to ask you, guys, So, one of the things that's really um special about Georgia O'Keeffe's work is that she found the beauty in everyday objects um that maybe other people wouldn't have noticed a scene. Do you feel like there's something that you see beauty

in that maybe other people take for granted? Max, Is there anything in your life that you think is that you see that you think is particularly beautiful, Something where you look at it and you're like that, I like that, that's special or that makes me feel good. Google Google eyes go, It's it's hard to look at a pair of Google eyes and not not smile. That's yeah, there's still something not feel something, even if it's just trying to figure out who they're looking at and why they

keep moving around? Uh? And Delaney, would have you got about you? What's something that you see in your life that we're like this is special animals, any particular kind of animals or just any animals. Dog? Do you have a dog? I have three dogs? So every night at your house is a three dog night. That's a joke for old people. And what are the names of your dogs? Maverick, Subine and Willow. I am excited about the idea of you incorporating those dogs into work of art because you

find them beautiful. But to be honest, I really can't get over the idea that, if actuated some art, he puts some googly eyes in it. I think that's fantastic. I gotta see I gotta see this art when it's created. I feel like we've got to see a dog's tail with google eyes on either side of it. Wow. Yeah, finally it's time to get the tail's point of view on things. We've seen the dogs game of view. Let's get the tails point of view. All right? Well, thank

you both so much for sharing. Yes, those are fantastic answers, but now it's time for more answers with our next game, Backpack from the Past, from the Baby. We have a backpack that contains some of Georgia O'Keeffe's personal objects. We'll describe those objects for you are contestants, and also for the listeners at home. Contestants, you will choose which multiple choice answer best describes it. Listeners you can choose to but you're not playing this game, so we won't hear you.

Since this is our second game, each question is worth two points max. This first object is for you. Oh wow, it's a jug? Is this in Georgia O'Keefe backpack because A her family bought cereal in bulk or be her family lived on a dairy farm. That's right, The answer is be. The O'Keefe's farm was a dairy farm. They had many cows, but also grew corn, oats and hey.

Georgia was the second of seven children. Her mother knew was very important for her daughters to be educated and curious about the world, so she enrolled them in art classes from a young age. Young Georgia loved to walk through her family's land, drawing everything she saw, and enjoyed the solitude that came with drawing and painting. From that young age, Delaney, This next object is for you. It's a simple black wolf coat. It's quite nice. I might

try it on after the show. Is this in Georgia o'keeps backpack because A she liked to wear all black, or B she liked to dress as a nineteen forties detective. Sometimes the answer is a. Georgia and her husband and Alfred became famous round New York City, and whenever they went out, they almost always wore all black clothing. Alfred liked to wear a dramatic black cape, and Georgia often wore us white silk blouse under a black woolf coat

that she buttoned up to her chin. Alfred liked the attention he received from the way he dressed, but Georgia wanted her simple black clothes to make her less noticeable, and also to let people know that she wanted to be taken seriously artists. All right, all right, let's see what the backpack has for Max on this next question. Let's see here, it's an apple core and an orange rhyme. Oh,

is this a backpack or a garbage bag? All right? Anyway, Is this in Georgia o'keep's backpack because A she would eat the fruit from still life paintings in art school. Or B she just loved composting. That's right. The answer is a. After studying at the Art Constitutor Chicago, George and went to study at the Art Students League in New York City. She and her classmates would do a lot of portraits and still life, which are paintings of

an object, such as a vase or an apple. Georgia was a dedicated student, but she still had a mischievous streak. She would often eat the fruit that was used for still life compositions. She would also sometimes bring in street musicians and get her classmates to dance in the studios. Delaney, let's wrap it up with the last object. It's a drawing,

makes sense, she was an artist. Seems to be an advertisement actually for cleaning supplies, Okay, Elliott I swear if this is another hint that we should have a studio chore wheel, it's not. And I still say that's a great idea. We'll talk about it after the show, now, Delane, Why would this advertisement be in Georgia O'Keeffe's backpack. Is it because a Georgia was a very neat person or be.

Georgia worked as an illustrator for advertising agencies. The answer is b. Georgia lived in Chicago and took a job as a commerce shill artists. She worked for advertising agencies as a freelance illustrator. Being on tight deadlines means Georgia had to learn to work quickly, something she incorporated into her work later in life. One of Georgia's pieces, the little Dutch girl symbol for old Dutch cleanser, is still sometimes used today. And that, my friends, is backpack from

the past, from the best. And that's the end of that exceptionally groovy game. Let's dash on over to Jane with the scores. HELLI n b uh Matt has come from behind and it is now four to six Delaney still in the lead. All right, very exciting, Thank you Jane. And now it's time we had a nice long chat with Georgia O'Keefe. Whoa Georgia O'Keefe. How did you get here by using that impressive app that connects you to

the past? Who was up? Who was wandered? So more? First, I was reading my favorite trade magazine, Sketch Comedy and History quiz podcast based on popular kids series monthly, and I thought it was such a funny coincidence that you were discussing Area fifty one. Well for a niche magazine, they sure have a decent circulation. Wait, Georgia, what do you mean coincidence? Oh, just that I spent a lot of time at Area fifty one. I'm sorry. You've been

to Area fifty one absolutely hundreds of times. We always think of you as an artist. In fact, one of my favorite paintings yours, his Tent Door at Night. I just find it such a soothing piece of art. Many banks, I was lucky enough to study with some amazing teachers. That painting is based on a method I learned, where you compose a picture with basic forms and shapes. That was a revolutionary artistic idea when I was young. You'll notice that tent door at Night is almost entirely made

up of triangles, creating a tent door at night. Yes, I'm surprised and experimental artists visited Area fifty one. Did you design experimental planes? Nothing like that. It's just you don't have a lot of close neighbors in the desert. So I traveled over to Area fifty one from my place in New Mexico to say hi, and the rest is history. The rest is very much not history. We've never heard that. I don't think anyone's ever heard that. No,

a few people have. I'm pretty close with FRIEDA. Carlo, and let me tell you she is sick and tired of my Area fifty one stories. Well you're not. Feel free to bore us with every detail about Area fifty one. I hate to disappoint, but it isn't nearly as exciting as people think. I mean, when has the government ever done anything exciting? So you didn't find any spaceships or anything like that, Oh my goodness, No, nothing like that. But I did find some fantastic bleached animal bones on

my truck over there. Those are hard to come by, not as hard to come by as a Martian b. Georgia is our guest. Okay, since you really want to know, there was a security guard at Area fifty one named Hank Okay, and he was from Venus. What tell us everything? What was he like? He was a pretty nice guy, mellow on the quiet side. What how did he get to Earth? You know, we never got into that. He was more interested in hearing my stories from when I lived in New York. You know, he was a Yankees

fan that tracks. He really loved all the skyscraper paintings I did when I was living there, said he could experience the energy of the city when he looked at the canvas. Oh, I'm here and there he'd read our minds, you know, if we got sick of playing cards or whatever. Whatever. You knew a telepathic alien and you think that's not interesting. It's fine, I guess, but getting to know an extraterrestrial isn't as life changing as getting to know a flower.

Have you ever just sat and looked closely at nature, whether it be a plant, a cow skull, or the sky reflected in a lake at sunset, discovering the beauty and everyday objects. To me, that's out of this world. Wow, wise words, Georgia. Yeah, but seriously, how many eyes did hate have? Oh? Bee? Trying to reach you was like trying to reach a cactus. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must be going. My favorite PROGRAMA is on, and by program I mean the shifting colors and shapes of

the setting sun over deserts adds. Thanks a guy and Elliott and b and thank you who was out who that was truly amazing. B. What are you doing? I'm trying to read your mind. I've always suspected I was part Venusian and you're thinking we've got to take a break. Wow, you're right, but don't go anywhere because we'll be back with our final game. Eric plays some dancing in the art studio music. Please. I knew you were going to say that. Oh, B, I want to dance in the studio. Hey,

who was? Hers exciting news Who Was has been nominated for a Signal Award for Best Kids Podcast. We love your vote, had to Signal Award dot com. It's s I G N A l A w A r d dot com. For more information on how you and your favorite grown up can cast your ballot for the Who Was? Podcast. Voting is open until December. We thank you and Geraldine thanks you to thank them. Geraldine, welcome back to the Who Was? Podcast. Today we're learning what is Areas Hope one?

And who was? Georgia O'Keefe and now back to your host, Elliot Kalen. Thanks b and without further ado, let's get going with our final game. It's called sound effects Safari Sound Safari sound effective in this game We'll play a sound effect inspired by something important from Area fifty one or the life of Georgia O'Keefe, and our contestants will tell us what the sound represents. Since this is the third round, each question will be worth three enormous points. Delaney,

here's the first sound. Wow. Okay, that plane sounded fast. But what does it have to do with Area fifty one? Is it A it was really a spaceship that's totally being hidden in Area fifty one. Or be it was one of the spy planes that got tested at Area fifty one. B. That's right, The answer is B. In the late nineteen fifties and early nineteen sixties, the United States government developed the YouTube and the A twelve spy

planes and tested them in Area fifty one. The YouTube could carry up to seven hundred pounds of photographic equipment. He was designed to spy on the Soviet Union by taking pictures from a very high altitude. The Age twelve was a plane that could fly faster than a bullet at an altitude of ninety thou feet to avoid being spotted from the ground. Max, here's your sound. That is the sound of someone writing on paper. What does that

have to do with Georgia O'Keeffe's life. Is it A she invented a new kind of cursive or be she was an art and penmanship teacher for a few years. B. That's correct. The answer is B. Georgia took a job as drawing supervisor for the Amarillo, Texas Public Schools to grow her teaching experience. Georgia was responsible for supervising drawing in penmanship for hundreds of students. Most importantly, Georgia became captivated by the wide open spaces and the size of

the sky in Texas. She sounds like a way more fun penmanship teacher than the one that I had. She never let us look at the sky. Delaney, This next sound is for you. That is the sound of a satellite being rocketed into space. What does that have to do with Area fifty one? Is it A? Area fifty one is the one place on Earth sky Lab space station was instructed not to take photos of or be new satellites were developed at Area fifty one. Okay, correct?

The answer is A. Nineteen seventy four the sky Lab as or not to pictures at Area fifty one, even though they were given instructions not to do this. When Skylab, a laboratory orbiting the Earth, was launched, Area fifty one didn't even officially exist. Although it did exist, just not officially. Even pilots who had flown there wouldn't refer to it by name, instead calling it only the Box. This fueled more conspiracy theorists to wonder about what was really going

on at Area fifty one. Maybe they had those snacks that he was talking about earlier. This last sound is for you. That is a camera flash. What does that have to do with Georgia O'Keeffe's light. Is it a she took close up photos of a deconstructed camera? Very meta? Or be her husband and artistic partner was also a photographer.

H that's right. The answer is be Alfred Steedlitz, Georgie's husband, was an important figure in American modern art, not only because his art galleries supported influential artists like Georgia, but also because he was an early photographer who helped photography become accepted as an art form. Some of his most famous pictures are of Georgia. In addition to being his muse, she was also his artistic partner. And that wraps up sound effects Safari. I always wonder why we took a

baby on that Safari. Great job both of you. The end of that game means it's just about the end of the show, while Jane talies the score. I'd love to hear from you, our contestants. What was something you were surprised to learn about either Area fifty one or Georgia O'Keefe Delaney, What surprised you when you read about these two. I was surprised for the Area fifty one, where one guy just decided to leak everything about it

and they came really popular. It shows you how silly it is sometimes to try to keep secrets, because it does takes one person to tell everything, and then it's like, well that used to be a secret, Now it's not a secret anymore. It also needs to be wonder like, if something is a secret, you just want to know what it is, even if it's boring. So if it was just all out there, um, you know from the beginning, people probably wouldn't be as interested. You know, it's a

real conundrum, a real Schroedeger's the box. I think you're using those words correctly. And Max, what was something that surprised you about either Georgia o'key for that Georgi o'key had a shed with the bunch of dead animal bone. When you say it out of context, it sounds a little creepy, um if you didn't know anything about her paintings. But um, she was able to like we were saying earlier.

And I think sort of what you've discovered with Google Eyes is take something that other people maybe wouldn't give too much attention to and really see the beauty within it. Yeah. That's one of the amazing things about art is how it transforms something strange or ordinary into something that is beautiful and magical. And it also shows you there's kind of a thin line between creeping and artistic. If you've

ever met an artist, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Boy, I try to walk that line every day and do I said, Yeah, it's it's you're very creepy. Thank you both though, for those amazing revelations. Now it's time for the big moment. Jane, please announced our winner for today. Oh, William B. I have to tell you that Max made a great comeback with ten points, but Delaney wins the game with twelve. What I'm late today amazing. You should

both be very proud about how you did. Delaney, you have ten seconds as our winner to give to your shoutouts. You can neither say them or sing them as you prefer. Go for it. Who would you like to thank for getting you here today? I would like to shout out my mom, my dad, my brother, and my three doctor awesome,

our winner and their library of choice. We're receiving a selection of Who Was books and I'm going to give a shout out to intern Zach, Jane, Eric, Eric Allies for being our George O'Keefe and to be and a big thank you to both of our contestants who played a fantastic game together. And as our winner today, de Lany will be interviewing with me to be an area that the one term we'll have that right after this short break, so don't go anywhere. Welcome back to the

HULAS podcast. As the winner of our what is Area fifty one and Who Was Georgia O'Keefe episode, de Lady is about to interview with James Murray, author of the Area fifty one Interns book series, to see if she has what it takes to become an Area fifty one intern herself. Take it away. Murray. Oo, lady, my name is James Murray. Everyone an area if you want, calls me Murra. I'm the head of human resources there and

very exciting. We have a summer internship coming up at the base and we think you might have what it takes to be an intern at Area fifty one. But I have to go through with your questions. If you don't mind, please answer honestly with whatever experience you have, and hopefully you get the job at the end of the this interview. Sound good? Okay, So first question, Delany, Okay, how did you hear about the internship program at Area

fifty one? Was it a recommendation from a friend? Did you see him read about us on on the internet? Tell us how you heard about Eric fe one internship program. I learned about you guys from the who Has podcast. Okay, that's an excellent podcast. They promote all our internship all the time. We've hired a number of interns from the podcast. So very good answer. Okay, Now this is an important one.

It's not necessary to have this experience, but if you do, even better, what is your experience so far in your life with extraterrestrials if any, have you seen them, have you interacted with them? Just tell us about your et experience. I'm pretty sure my brother might be an extraterrestial. Okay, Okay. We have a lot of interns at every one that have extra terrestrial siblings, so that puts you in the

top tier of candidates we're looking for. Okay, Now, let's say you do land an internship at areas from two one. What do you think is the best lunch you could possibly have on your first day of the job. What do you have in the in the area? If you do one cafeteria, maybe a sandwich, Internet Apple a very good choice. That's a good choice. We have a lot of weird suggestions. That's exactly what I have every day. I do like a Grenny Smith Apple and a nice

ham and cheese sandwich. And that's pretty much all you need at areas you want. So, very good answer. I like that one. Okay. Next question, this is a tougher one, Okay, but I think you can do it. What would you most like to ask an extraterrestrial. Let's say if you've got to meet one at the area fIF to one base, what is singing like they're like, what songs do they have? Okay, So you want to know about pop culture on alien worlds?

What's who's there? Taylor Swift? Who's there? You? What have you? You want to know who's the alien? T Swift? Right? Okay? I like that answer. So you want to get to know the aliens and their culture. That's an excellent answer, Like what you did there? Okay? So, de lady, let's say you did land the summer internship at eric Q one. What do you think you would wear to the first day at the job? Like? What what? What would you do? What do you think you'd dress like? I would like

casual clothes and a lab coat. Very good answer, because you know everything and anything can and does happen at eric one. You need to be mobile, be able to move around, just in case to eight extraterresionals break free or the cryptids break free. You never know what's gonna happen. So smart answer. Casual for sure, but lab coat because you're gonna be doing some top secret scientific work at every one. I like your answer so far, you're like

eight out of eight or seven out of seven. I'm unsure how many questions I've asked you at this point, but so far you do fantastic. Okay, now this is an important one. Let's say you do land the summer internship at eric ft one. How would you best describe yourself? What's your character like? Are you most like Viv? Viv, of course is the leader of our friend group. She's awesomeate mass, she's super smart, she's got killer science skills. She also also might be a little bit extra tresural herself.

So there's Viv. Would you be somebody like Charlotte, who's from She's from Australia. She's like a super cool musician, she's a visionary, she's a little bit like act first, I think later. Would you be like Ray, he's our comedic side relief. He's a little bit of the goof all of the group. Would you be like Elijah, who's the natural born leader of the group. He's ambitious, fun, outgo and get venturous. Who do you think you are?

Which character best describes you? I think Charlotte describes Charlotte, so the natural leader of the group, she's like super smart. I like your answer, and she has part alien DNA. And since your brother might be an extra tresural you might be as well. Good answer. I like that a lot. Okay, now, Delaney, finish this sentence for me. Let's say I find myself. You find yourself stuck in a beam of light, being pulled up into the air by your ufho. Okay, how

would you handle that situation? I think I would probably play dead. You're smart, so you'd act just like you would if like a grizzly bearer coming at you in the woods. Right, there's no grizzly bears in the areas with you one to basic, you have nothing to worry about it. Where Nevada, grizzly bears are much further north. So, but you would apply the same skills. You'd play dead, hoping that the aliens would say, ah, let's find a

living one. That's your answer the final question, and I think we're ready then to tell you whether you get the job or not. The final question is what would you say is the reason you'd like to start your career at Area fifty one? Is it a to finally prove to the world that aliens do in fact exist, be to get some quality time in the desert. I mean, we're in Nevada, it's very hot. It's an ice dry heat. But be careful the vat X. It can get very

high in the summertime. See would you like to just surround yourself with the most brilliant scientific minds on the planet? Was your answer, d other, Why do you want your summer internship at arahif you want? Hey, you want to prove to the whole world that aliens finally exist. That is an excellent answer, Delany. I am. I don't normally do this during an interview, but I am confident enough to tell you that you just successfully landed a summer

internship at Area fifty one. Well done, murder. I was hoping and B was hoping too, that you'd be able to stick around and answer some questions for us about writing a real book series. Of course, I would love to if that would be amazing. We just got to note what first interested you about Area fifty one. Oh, my gosh, so much. When I was a kid, I was obsessed with Area fifty one and all things science fiction and technology. When I was a kid, my favorite

movies were like et to Watch Aliens. I love like science fiction movies and TV shows. I used to watch The Incredible Hulk. I used to watch Spider Man. I love those things. So I've been obsessed with Eric one my entire life, and so it was just absolutely natural for me to eventually write with my co writer Carson Smith, to write an Area fifty one interns book. What do you think are like the top two biggest secrets that they're hiding in Areas fifty one? The top secrets I

think there might be at Eric fift you one? First, I think there are aliens for sure. I think we recovered aliens in the nineties at Roswell in New Mexico, and we're actually retro fitting uh and deconstructing alien technology. Second, I think we have cracked faster than light travel, right do I do? What makes you think that? Because the speed of light is a hundred and eighties six thousands per second, it's really fast, a lot faster that they can drive on the highway. You haven't seen the way

that my dad drives. Well, yeah, your dad might break the speed of light a little bit on the highway. We'll see. But I think that it's the number one thing scientists are actually secretly working on because it's such an arbitrary number. The why is the speed of light

that exact number. It makes no sense. And when you look at the entire universe, there's no real scientific reason that that exact number is the speed of light, but it is, so if we could figure it away, and I think Einstein was about to crack this if he was alive today, I think he would have cracked fast in the light travel, because there's no reason when you look at light. I bet you if you bend space time enough, you can get around the speed of light

mile per hour limit. And I think they've done it at a third. I think they're working on time travel at Air fifty one. I really do well. I hope you're right because I have some things I need to go back. I have some haircuts that I regret. The only way to solve it is to go back in time.

I'm gonna go into the future and solve Baldin. I love it and I have a hair fut I was supposed to be at fifteen minutes ago, and it would be great if I could use time travel to not miss that appointment, because I mean that they're going to make me pay for it anyway. So if you can get Area fifty one to send me back, that'd be fantastic.

I'll tell you what. If they have correct time travel at Air fifty one, I would also go back in time and not let the guys from Impractical Jokers shave off my eyebrows and make me get a new driver's

license photo with no eye. For the listeners at home, Mrs showing us his driver's license photo in which he has no hair on his face at all anywhere, not even eyebrows, and you look like then the goodness is you could use that to sneak into Area fifty one because he say, look, I'm an alien, I don't have i brows. I would go up to Area Do you want to say Hi, I'm Lex Luthor. I'd like to enter the base squeeze and they said it's all green lights. Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit about what it's

like to take something based in reality? Because Area fifty one, as our listeners now know, is a real place and writing. What's it like to take that and write a fiction story about it, a not true story about a true place. Did you research it or did you decide to secret place nobody knows anything about. I'll just make it up. How how close is the book to the real Area fifty one as much as you can tell us. I

wish I knew the answer to that. I don't yet, but we just talked about this like two weeks ago. Like imagine if you will, like tomorrow, you wake up and everyone on Earth is gone. It's you're the only person left on the planet. But everything is still working. Finally my dream comes true. Cars are working, electricity is still working, ice cream machines, you can get as many chicken nuggets as you want. Everything still works right, but you're the only person left on Earth. What would you do?

And my answer was I would immediately get in the car and drive straight to Area from one in Nevada and walk in and see what's actually going on now that I can get system the base. So I think what we did was, yeah, we um. We researched a lot about er fic To one, so like the things like the silver and gold mine, we knew that kind of stuff going into it. And that's part of the backstory of eric One. Vivs family has been working at

eric fic To one in Nevada for generations. Her great grandparents were Comba were gold and silver miners in the book. So we did our research and that kind of stuff. That the great thing about some place like eric fic to one is anything and everything could and can and

does and might happen. So we created this whole universe that secretly exists under this camouflaged terror dome in the middle of the desert, and you can't even see with your satellites or by driving up to the edge of the fence in the air field of aerone one, you can't even see what's actually beyond that what you see in the desert. And that's the cool thing about writing a book loosely based on a real place is that we can do anything and everything our imagination see fit.

It's so much fun to write. How would it feel if everyone disappears and you drive to area fifty one and you get there and it's exactly like you wrote about in the book. Well, here's here's what I said. I'd be like, nailed it. NA, Yeah, I believe the kids call that manifesting. That's it. I'm manifesting motor reality. This would be become the greatest nonfiction book of all time. You'd have to drive to every bookstore and library in the world and change where it's sitting on the shelves

from fiction. That's so first, I got to do one. Second, I will go to every bookstore on the planet and move it to the nonfiction second, but I'm the only buyer. So what words of inspiration do you have for some of our listeners that may want to write from a history perspective? Oh my gosh, what a cool question. So okay, the first book I wrote years ago. It took me a year to write it. I did tons of research. Is based is like a thriller based on the subways

of New York City. And I literally interviewed tons of like empt A employees in New York City. I got their manuals. I did all sorts of research on the history of the subways and how they are built, and how they are built and how they operate. And it took me in a year to write this book. Here's my advice. It then took me fifteen years to get it published and that and then once I got it published, then everything opened up and then I have like everything

you want. Interns is my seventh, eighth, and ninth books. So that the advice is this, do your research, work hard at it, never stop, get better and better at what you do and know that it takes time to achieve success. And if you love something, never stopped doing it, and never let other people tell you, know or limit or define your success. You define your own life. Wow, that's very inspirational. I feel like I needed to hear

that this morning. No, So, are there any other fun facts about Area fifty one that didn't make it into the book that you could share with us? I would love to tell you the answer that question, but it's top secret information. I need you, guys to raise your hands and swear to me that you'll never reveal the secret I'm about to tell you to anyone ever, never, ever ever, no one will ever, no one will ever

repeat this. Okay, Gay, So here's this top secret info about Area FicT to one you've never heard, and I'll never if you put it out in public, I'll deny it. But Area, if you one, has the best uros on the planet. I knew it. That's what I said at the very beginning of the show. I said, snacks. Yeah, b has been obsessed with the idea that they have the best snacks, and they're working on new snacks. They do. There's a sure stand and Eric to one that is

to die for. Literally people have died trying to get one. That's how amazing. Men all Oh wow, okay, Elliott, you can out your hand down now. I think the I think I take it. I take my oaths very seriously. I'll keep that. I'm gonna keep it up the rest of the day, just in case, just so that the world knows that I'm serious about it. Uh, You've been so fantastic. We have one more question for you, so listeners may remember. At some point, I think I mentioned

that my favorite person in history is Abraham Lincoln. Who is your favorite person from history? Good question, Um, I would have to say Albert Einstein. Yeah, you've mentioned him earlier. I did, And gosh, he literally changed the universe right and still to this day changes science and technology and everything we think about the world and the universe we live in. Still to this day, we're trying to unravel the secrets of the universe that he himself understood and

unraveled for the first time. And I wish I can invent a time machine using his principles, go back in time and bring him into modern error right now to thousand twenties, and have him solved so many top scientific problems we're facing right now. Wouldn't it be great? And also I'd love to take him out to lunch. What we would do is I know this great churro standard that I would love to take Albert I send too, And I feel like with that was churros, he could

solve all the rest of the secrets of the universe. Amazing. I love that idea. Um, I love I love anything that any sort of lunch that ends in a turo, that's that's. Any kind of story that ends in a curo, that's a good story for me, especially if it unravels the secrets of the universe. Mostly. Yeah, Well, thank you so much for being with us today, and thank you so much for sharing so much about Area fifty one. It's a really wonderful book series and I hope everybody

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