Roberto Clemente & Jesse Owens

your noggin, but that sounds remarkably dangerous, Meka. No one ever said being one of the best is safe. Now be a Georgia peach and turn on that pitching machine for me. Some people got to learn it the hard way. I guess whoa These baseballs are like like they come at a fast No, no, no, no, I got this. Next one is mine. Oh I think we broke Old Man McCaffrey's window. We you turn on the pitching machine. Hey, who's basi? BOLLI is this? You're gonna pay for that window?

Let's get out of here. Eric, please play the theme song, Hey Jake back here, Hey you Kings in your history based trivia podcast. Here we go. What do you think you know about the rates from this story? The game is on. To get some energy and buckle up your brain because it's time to play the Who Was? Podcast? Because it's time to play but CASHO Live from Tom galand or so called so how Los Angeles? Welcome to Who Was? The history quiz show that gives contestants the

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to the Who Was? Podcast. This show is like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games, and our own library. Hey Elliott, check out this book. Okay, it's due in three weeks. Our contestants were sent who Was books about two great figures from history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the hope, So we ain't fantastic Pride. Today we're discussing two sporty gents, Roberto Clemente and Jesse Owens. But before we get to know them, let's get to

know our contestants. Alright. First up, we have Fryce Frice. Please introduce yourself. Which Bryce, I like to play basketball. I'm a goal forward two and well for one historian, and my favorite basketball player is Steph Curry. Oh wow? Okay, So have you thought of combining your love of World War One and World War two? Um knowledge with basketball? And what kind of game would that be? I don't know.

Let me pitch the idea to you. Okay, you've got trenches in the court like in World War One, very dangerous. You gotta dribble the ball over or around those? Uh? And then actually that's dangerous enough. I don't want to Then, I don't want to start adding explosions and things to a basketball game. Although I don't know. We'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later, Brians. How does that sound to you? Okay? All right, I think he's

into it. Cool. All right, Well, thank you for being here today, Brice, and with us today we also have Luca, Luca, please introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Luca. I say them pronouns, and I like baking and books. All right? What are the things that you what are your go to baking things? And do you ever think about combining your love of baking and books and read about baking or baker book? Yeah? I knew you would say that out too predictable. One

of my favorite things to read is cookbooks. Um, And one of my favorite things to bake is a vegan chocolate cake for a MC hot from the A M C Huts. What's not? Um? There hots in the Appealation Mountains. Uh, there are eight of them and I'm trying to go to all of them by the time I'm thirteen and I've done I think five. Oh my goodness, Wow, you're well on your way. Wow that sounds like a mean

vegan take. Can't wait to get one of those in the mail because because I know you'll be sending them to us right same here here for the record, Luca is shaking their head. Yes, okay, yeah, we all saw it. I'm shaking my head. No that's not the way. That's not the way we saw it. And I just can't wait to open up that package and pull out that cake and cut a slice and find a book inside as you because you baked a book inside. I think you should go to the eye doctor. I'm definitely shaking

my head. No, the eye doctor said I wasn't allowed to come anymore because IVE got too many questions wrong. Anyway, thank you both for joining us, and thank you to Eric, our musician, for providing that lovely Meet the Contestants music. So that's who is Bryce and Luca. Now let's find out who was Jesse Owens with four fast facts cospects. Jesse Owens was born in nineteen thirteen and died in

nineteen eighty. Jesse Owens set three world records in track and field and tied another in less than an hour at the Big Ten Championships In nineteen thirty five. The Associated Press named him the greatest track athlete of the first half of the twentieth century. Jesse Owens screw up during the era of Jim Crow laws. These were laws that prevented black people from being treated equally and having

the same opportunities that white people had. Cospects, all right, So I am wondering, so, um, Bryce, you like basketball and what position. Do you point guard? Blankard? Okay, so you're you're handling the ball a lot. You're guarding the person who's pointing at the ball and saying it's over there. Bryce, do you have any tips for if I have to do a free throw? Do you have any tips of

how to how to make this swish? Sometimes if you're going through the swish, the ball can balance off and sold Document arming for the backboard, Amy for the backboard. All right, good good. I think the first step is to start playing basketball. I don't know. That sounds like a lot of work. I'd rather just do the swish, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's the fun part. Luca, do you play any sports at all? No, Baking. Baking

can be a sport. You sweat a lot in the kitchen. Well, be likes to bake inside of a bigger of it that she can feel what it's like to be the cake, So it gets very hot there. I'm very empathetic baker. So that was a great a great tip from Bryce and some great criticism from Luca. Let's be let's get right to our first game. True or false? False? It's a false? Was a true? True? That it is false? It was true or true? True or false. Here's how

this game works. Be will read a statement about Jesse Owens, and you'll tell us if it's true or false false, twist ending surprise. And since this is our first game, each question is worth one point. Bryce, You'll be going first, all right, Bryce? True or fault. Jesse Owens was an only child. False, that's right, the answer is false. Jesse waste and the youngest child of Henry and Emma Owens.

Life was difficult for the Owens family. The entire family lived in a three room wooden house where wind would blow between the wallboards. The children crowded into two rooms to sleep. There weren't enough beds. Some slept on the floor. Jesse knew his life was hard, but as he once said, we had a lot of fun. We always a Luca, You're up next? True or false. Coach Larry Snyder at Ohio State University was Jesse's first track coach. True, I'm sorry,

that's false. Jesse met Charles Riley, a teacher and the track team coach at Fairmont Junior High. Coach Riley watched Jesse running on the playground and saw something special. He worked with Jesse before school, showed Jesse how to run smoothly and easily, and also welcomed Jesse into his home and invited him over for dinner. Jesse later said that coach Riley was the first white person who had ever really known Bryce. You get the next true or false?

True or false? Jesse Owens won four gold medals at the nineteen thirty six Summer Olympics in Berlin, Germany. That's right, the answer is true. Jesse Owens was the first American athlete ever to win four track and field gold medals at a single Olympics. Many Americans wanted to boycott the Berlin Olympics, which meant not sending over athletes and not paying attention to it. They feared participating would give power to Aidolf Hitler, who was in charge of Germany at

the time. Jesse and many other athletes didn't want to boycott. Jesse's coach said that by competing in the Olympics, Jesse quote could show Hitler what a black athlete could do. A vote was held by the American Athletic Union and the result was to send the team. Jesse made history winning four gold medals and Luca, you have the last question of the round, true or false. After the Olympics, Jesse was paid to fly to Cuba and raise a horse named Fulio Macaw. False. I'm sorry, that's true too.

While winning gold in the Berlin Olympics, Jesse Owens received job offers and opportunities for paid appearances back home, but when he returned, nearly every offer disappeared. Jesse said it became increasingly clear that everyone was going to slap me on the back. I want to shake my hand or have me up to their hotel suite, but no one was going to offer me a job. White olympians appeared in movies or were paid to promote products. Black athletes

like Jesse, However, a few such opportunities. He later said, people said an Olympic champion should not race a horse, but it can't eat four gold medals, and that's true or false? True? True, true or false? That was a great round, everybody. I'd say, we all learned a lot. And next up is next up is um cut? Next we have Elliott? What's up? Be that gust of wind scattered my script everywhere? I'm not sure what's next. Well, there's something you don't usually see indoors my bad. Sorry

about that, Jesse. Always that's right courtesy of the Who was that? Who? You want to be somewhere? Best? You need? What brings you to the show? Jesse? Well my ears were burning? Oh because you knew we were talking about you on the show. No, it was because I was running so fast. It happens every now and then. So I ran to the fire department, as I do. But I oways shot by a few blocks. Also happens every now and then. And here I am, which does remind me.

You wouldn't happen to have a bottle of water on you? Oh yeah, of course, Here take mine. Oh I appreciate you, that's the stuff. I'm sorry I used up all your water on my ears. Be right back here you go. Not necessary? Oh wow, and it's still so cold? Oh thanks? Wow wow wow wow. No wonder you could outrun a horse made two grand on that stunt. Hey, can I ask you a question? I'd be happy to give you an answer. Could you outren a card? I'm sure he

doesn't want to just answer. Depends on the car Afford fusion. Sure, okay, what about what about a Lamborghini? But I'm sorry, I just got a little excited. Just because I didn't want to ask the question doesn't mean I didn't want to know the answer to the question. Oh absolutely, but i'd break a sweat. Okay, what about a BMW? I could, but I don't need to beat up on Germany again. Oh okay, what a balance. Let me simplify this for you.

Here is a list of everything I can out run. Wow, that's hold on, it's going the longest paper I've ever seen. Let me just give you a sample here. I cannot run the fox and not this spread of chickenpox and a pair of feet wearing sandals. Oh, I thought you were gonna say socks. Now why would you think that? Because it rhymes with all the other words you listed? Huh, I guess so. But this is a list, not a poem.

That may I continue? Oh? Please, thank you? I cannot run a beagle, an eagle, a quick paralegal, and the queen who looks really regal fancy Elliott, I appreciate you and all, but this is a long list here, so apologies, Mr Owens, please continue. Elliott, please just let him read the list. I'm trying, but the rhymes are right there. She's our just I cannot run a whale, a quail, both Chip and Dell in the boat that comes with

us motor. I can out run a breeze, a sneeze, a big swarm of these, and the mouse running for something. Peanut butter. Nice love peanut butter. Of course they do they sure do you know. It's been fun talking to you both, but I better get going. I'll leave the list hand and you can read through it on your own time. Thanks for having me, and thanks to the who was that? Who? Nice guy? And hey look it says here he can out run a hair, a mare, a big grizzly bear and the famous French author Proust

No voltaire, Elliott it rides Okay, I definitely need a break. Eric, would you please play us some track and field music please? Running and jumping? Well, come back to the Who Was podcast? Today we're learning lest Roberto Clementa and was Jesse Owens? Now back to your host, Elliot Kalen. Thank you be. Now let's make like Jesse Owens and run over to producer Jane with the scores. Hello, Elliott and b I've got to tell you Bryce has raced ahead with two

points to Lucas No point. Yet, that's right, still early in the game. Is still a close game. But before we get to the next game, and I like to say the word game instead of a lot, let's find out who was Roberto Clemente with four fast facts. Roberto Clemente was born in nineteen thirty four in Puerto Rico and died in nineteen seventy two. Roberto Clemente was signed to the Brooklyn Dodgers baseball team when he was just twenty years old, and was drafted by the Pittsburgh Pirates

the following year. He'd played for the Pirates for many years. Roberto Clemente won four National League batting titles, competed in two World Series with the Pittsburgh Pirates, and was named the greatest right fielder of all time. Roberto Clemente was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame in nineteen two. And now it's time for our next game. That's right, we'll be playing hashtag history. Hashtag history, hashtag history, hashtag history,

hashtag history. Okay, contestants in this game, B will read you a hashtag Roberto Clemente might have used on his social media if they had social media when he was alive. And you will tell us what it's about. And since this is our second round, each question is worth two points. B. If you would please begin, Luca, this first question is for you. The first hashtag is hashtag my commute. Would Roberto use that hashtag because A he loved returning to Puerto Rico in the off season or be he loved

car pooling with his teammates A. That's right. The answer is A. Roberto would play baseball in Pittsburgh in the summer and return home to Puerto Rico where it was still warm, and played baseball in the winter. But that isn't the only reason would return home. Roberto was homesick while living in Pittsburgh. He missed his friends and family, and it was difficult for him to get to know his new teammates on the Pittsburgh Pirates as he was

still learning to speak English. Bryce. This next hashtag is for you, all right, Bryce. This hashtag is hashtag baseball fever. Would Roberto use that hashtag because A. Once Roberto caught the flu from an improperly cleaned baseball bat or be Growing up, Roberto played baseball every single moment he could B. That's right. The answer is be. Roberto and his friends and his brothers played baseball after school and on weekends.

They even made their own gear. Roberto formed baseballs by wrapping old socks or rags very tightly with string, then sowing a piece of cloth over the socks. He once played a seven and a half hour game with his friends where he hit ten whole runs. Roberto's mother, Luisa, worried about his love of baseball, saying there were times he was so much in love with baseball that he didn't even care for food. Luca, here's the next hashtag for you. The next hashtag is hashtag pitch in and help.

Would Roberto use that hashtag because A he was a star pitcher who always helped win games. Or be. From the time he was a boy, he was known as someone who was always willing to help out. B. That's right, The answer is be. Roberto enjoyed helping people and helped his community from an early age. When he was fourteen, he crossed a dangerous highway to put an injured person from a fiery car accident. As an adult, he led

baseball clinics and visited kids in hospitals. He was important to him to help young baseball players in Puerto Rico. Roberto once said, if you have a chance to accomplish something that will make things better for people coming behind you, and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth. Harsh, Roberto, but fair, but very fair. Okay, Bryce, bring us to the home plate. This last one's for you. Your final

hashtag is hashtag family guy. Would Roberto use that hashtag because A he had great pride and love for his wife and kids, or be he always wanted to create a successful cartoon. Ay, that's right. The answer is a. Roberto and his wife Biera had three boys, Roberto Junior, Luis Roberto, and Enrique. Roberto Junior later remembered people coming to their house all day long to meet his father,

and Roberto Senior would greet each stranger. Beer said he'd even avoid other commitments to spend time with his family, and there'd be no baseball talk in the house, which was very hard because as we know, he had baseball fever. Is probably his favorite thing to talk about. And that's hashtag history. Hashtag history hashtag. Okay, we're going to take a quick break, but we'll be back with the scores and our final game. Eric, would you please play us

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If you want to hear your review right on the air, make sure to subscribe, like and review to the Worst Podcast in the I Heart Radio up or wherever you give your podcasts revoir or should I stay abbiato? Welcome back to the Who Was? Podcast. Today we're talking about Roberto Clemente and Jesse Owens. Now back to your host, Elliott Taylan. Thank you be. We've got a real nail biter of a game going, so without further ado, let's go over to Cruiser Jane, who has the latest box scores.

I said box scores because of baseball Jane, real scores. I don't know what that is, but I do know that my good pal Bryce has six points and Luca has come up from zero to four. Thank you, Jane. Still a very close game that didn't rhyme it exactly but almost so close enough but almost that. But that's good enough for me, even though it's not great. And hey, it reminds me of our final game, Converge of Greatness.

And I'll just get my speech ready for when I picked up in a word for how great that segue was between the scores and the game. Now, that is what I call the home run. Thank you very much, Be, thank you. In this multiple choice game Converge of Greatness, Be, we'll read questions where are two historical figures overlap or converge? And because recovering two times the history, the game is worth three points. For each question you do the map, pick the best option as your answer. Chrice, this first

question is for you, take it away. Being both Roberto Clemente and Jesse Owens traveled far from home to compete. Jesse traveled to Germany at a time when Hitler and his followers openly believed black people were less than humid. Jesse was unfortunately familiar with this backward thinking due to the racism and Jim Crow laws. He faced in America. However, when Roberto came to the mainland, leaving Puerto Rico to play baseball, he was shocked by this mainstay of American

life at the time. A segregation B skyscrapers or see huge supermarkets. Ay, that's right, The answer is a. Black people and white people were not separated in Puerto Rico. However, during a trip to Virginia, Berto and his black teammates could not eat at the same restaurant as their white teammates. Under Jim Crow laws, Roberto and his black teammates were not allowed in the white hotels, golf clubs, or swimming pools.

Jesse contended with racism throughout his entire career, even having to ride separate busses to his college track and field events. Jim Crow laws were enforced from eighteen seventy until about nineteen sixty five the United States. Luca, here is the next question for you, all right, Luca. Both Jesse Owens and Roberto Clemente suffered back injuries unrelated to their sports.

Roberto's was due to a car accident, but Jesse's injury was due to a He was body slammed by Roman Reins b he slipped on a banana peal and hurt his back. Or see he accidentally fell down some stairs while wrestling with friends see corrects. The answer is see. A week before the nineteen thirty five Big Ten Championships, Jesse hurt his back. He was in a lot of pain and thought he might not be able to compete.

His coach did not want him to run injured and put his future in danger, but Jesse worked all week with the team trainers to get better. Jesse, still in great pain, decided to compete. He completed the one hundred yard dash in nine point four seconds and tie the world record set. Despite this incredible story, you should still not horseplay in the house. I can't. I just can't say it enough. No horseplay indoors. Safety First, you don't want to You don't want to knock over the coffee too. Rice,

you know the drill your questions next. Both Roberto Clemente and Jesse Owens one gold in their respective careers. Jesse, of course, one gold at the Olympics, and Roberto's gold came in the form of a thousands of coins that he liked to swim around in be the Baseball Award the gold Glove or see straw that he spun into gold. B that's right. The answer is be. After the nineteen sixty one season, Roberto won the Gold Glove, an award

given to baseball players for fielding excellence. Players and coaches vote to choose the best player at each position in the league. Roberto would go on to win the Gold Glove every season after that. His career total of twelve gold Gloves is still tied with William May's for the most among outfielders. Luca, here's the last one. Both Roberto Clemente and Jesse Owens both had reactions to the civil

rights movement of the nineteen sixties. Roberto followed the civil rights movement closely, spending time with Dr Martin Luther King Jr. Homed He greatly admired Jesse appreciated what people like Dr King we're doing, but initially felt that A. There should be more protests. Be there should be more aggressive protests, or see that protest wasn't the way to change things. See that's right. The answer is see. Jesse believed in making life better for black people, but he did not

agree with protests. He didn't want to rock the vote. He wanted to live his life as best he could. In nineteen seventy, Jesse corrode a book called Black Thing. He wrote that he believed that are you in protesting were not the answers to America's problems with Ray, but hearing from other black people changed his mind. Two years later, he wrote another book called I Am Changed. In it, he apologized for Black Thing as he came to a

better understanding of the civil rights movement more clearly. And that's converge of greatness. The end of that game means, it's just about the end of the show. I know, I'm sad about it too. While Jane talies the score, I'd love to hear from our contestants. What was something you were surprised to learn about? Either Rotal Clemente or Jesse Owens Price. What surprised you? The veral quarantine? One twelve golden globes. That's so many, right, That's more than

you can fit on a shelf. You've got to put extra shelves in your house to hold those. And also that he wanted like every year, and they had to vote for him every year, so it was like every year they were like, no, this guy just keeps getting better. It's amazing. And the hard part then, though, is that you've got to play the game next season and wearing a gold glove which is very heavy and it's hard to move around your hand in it. But that's also

why he was so strong. Oh yeah, it makes well, that's like, it makes you even better, unless I'm misunderstanding something about baseball, which seems impossible. Luca, what surprised you about either of our historical figures That Jesse Owens raised

a horse. It's a wild right, Yeah, it's really And I don't know if you had the same reaction I did when I first hear that, I'm like, whoa, that's amazing, But then realizing that he had to do it because he was having trouble finding work that he thought he was gonna get, it actually becomes kind of sad. So it's something that sounds a little funny at first, but then you you dig into it at it and you

realize he shouldn't have had to raise that horse. Although the name of the horse being Julio McCaw, that's a great name for a hole. Yeah, it's a great name for a horse. It's a great name for parrot. A parrot. But also I also love the I mean, he was very matter of fact about it. He was like, look, I can't eat four gold medals. And I think that that was something that was really great about him was that he was just like, I'm not apologizing for is this is this is not my problem. It's a problem

with the way the world was working. So yeah, but that was pretty pretty wild. Thank you both for sharing those surprises. And now it's time for the big moment. Jane, will you please announce our winner? I sure we'll announce the winner. It was such a close game. Luke ahead ten points, but Price jump ahead with twelve, so Bryce is our winer. Congratulations Bryce, and congratulations Louply. You played a great game. Should both be very proud of how

you did. Brice as our winner, you have ten seconds for shoutouts, go for it. Who would you like to thank for getting you to the winner's podium? All my friends, ninal butts are my parents. It's wonderful. Yeah, that's really nice.

I think that covers everybody our winner and their library of choice, where we receiving a selection of who was books, And I'm going to give my own shout out to intern Zach, Jane, Eric and Eric Austen for being our Jesse Owens be and a big thank you to both of our contestants for playing an amazing game, and of course the law just Gold Medalist. Thank you of all to you the listener and listening to the show. Join us again next week as we find out who Was.

Two more amazing figures from history. I want to find out who is gonna pay for BRender? Elliott, we gotta go within me. Let's get out of here. Until then, this is Elliott Mice Love Peanut Butter Calin saying we are history. Goodbye, folks. Come on, Gerald, Deane get running. Got a question for any of our famous figures? Or do you want to be a contestant? Send us a voice memo at who Was Podcast at gmail dot com it or you might just end up on the show.

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