Mahatma Gandhi & Marie Antoinette

Marie Antoinette and Gandhi. And Marie Antoinette was famously out of touch with the people, but Gandhi was incredibly in touch with the people. Okay, And I just think I should make more of an effort to be in touch with the people, you know, and by the people you mean me. Yeah, so I figured let's do this whole episode holding hands. That should put me more in touch with Oh b how did you manage to sneeze it to my hand? Yours was right there? I don't know,

but I gotta war you. I think I'm allergic to your perfume. It's O dependcil shavings. So that was the first of many, many, many sneezes. Eric quick play the theme song with where she Here we go? What do you think you know about the rates room this story? The game is on. To get some energy and buckle up your brain because it's time to play thest podcast. Because it's time to play Who Live from tong Land or so called So Cow Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was?

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a pie in the center. Perfect that will be amazing, amazing. Our contestants were sent Who Was books about too great figures in history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge in the hopes of winning fantastic prizes, prizes prizes. Today we're learning about who was Gandhi and who was Marie Antoinette. But before we learn about them, let's learn about our contestants, all right. First up, we've got Alexandra. Alexandra,

please introduce yourself. Hi. I'm Alexandra And a fun fact about myself is that I do competition chere, competitions here. Oh my goodness. Um, so tell us what's the coolest thing that you can do in a in a cheer routine? Like do you do back flips? Are you on pblic pyramid? Are you on the bottom of the pyramid to ride a tie her? Do you write a tighter? Are you the mascot? And I can do a backhandspers? Oh my goodness. That is fantastic. And how long have you been part

of competition cheering? This will be my seven Pierre? Wow? Wow, So you're an expert at cheering. Yeah, I don't think I've ever done anything for that many years. I'm so impressed. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you so much for sharing and with us. Today we also have Harper. Harper, please introduce yourself. Hi on Harper, And I'm a ton and I Rother lied he is ordering me by tunn. Oh my goodness. Now this is also very exciting because as you may or may not know Elliott is also a twin. M I

have a twin sister. I'm older than her by one minute, and I constantly just lord it over her and she's like, I think this, and I'm like, well, as your older brother, I think that. So is that is that similar to what happens in your house? Yeah? Now people ask me all the time. They always say, can you read your sister's mind? And I say no, I can't, But it makes me wonder is that something other twins can do?

Can you read each other's minds? If you could read If you could read minds, probably you'd probably learn all sorts of things you didn't want to know in the first place. Yeah, that's true. That's how are you got to be careful with? Well? Thank you both so much for sharing, and thank you for being on the show today. And thank you to Eric, our musician, for providing that lovely Meet the Contestants music and all the music on the show today. So that's who is. Now Let's find

out who was Gandhi with four fast facts. Mahandas Gandhi was born in eighteen sixty nine and died in nine in nineteen forty seven after thirty three years of work, Gandhi helped India achieve independence from British rule through non violent protests. Gandhi was among the first Indian leaders to empower small villages and farmers in India to for Indian

self reliance and separation from foreign rule. Gandhi's philosophy of civil disobedience and non violent protest and fighting without fighting has had a lasting effect on social justice movements and inspired civil rights leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. So we were wondering, Gandhi is such uh an inspirational protest figure. He was all about protests and things like that. Have

either of you ever protested anything? It could be something as big as I don't like this what the country is doing, and as little as I don't want to eat my vegetables. Have you ever been in a protest of any kind at home or somewhere else? Um, I've been in some like just small like disagreements. My brother likes to comutch Go go pops Like I always say that there's there's not really any meaning to them because he buys them and he just lets them correct us.

When he wasn't really like use them. He was trying to gaming computer, and he out of the trist Us all up, and if he were to like sell all his Pho Pops, he would be able to get his gaming computer. And that's like something, Wow, Well you have convinced me I'm on your side, Harper. Yeah, you've convinced me to sell all my funk Pop figures just by a gaming computer. This is a successful protest that you just had right now, you changed one big mind, Alexander.

What about you. Have you ever protested anything or just had a really strong disagreement when you had to take a stand. Yeah? Really not really, Okay, but you know what I will say when the time comes, if you ever decided to protest something, you were going to be so ready because so much about protesting has so much crossover with cheering. Yeah, a lot of times you have to build signs up. You have to be on your feet and um saying things very loudly. You got to

project your voice. Yeah. I think your cheer career will really help you in the future if and when you decide to protest something. Yeah. There have been words that were ended because of back hand springs. So they never underestimate the power of gear it's a very powerful corse. Yeah. The word of eteen twelve, Yeah, every yeah, thankfully brought to an end by that head back industry. Now, please don't protest me when I say that we should move on to our first game about Gandhi. It's called true

or false. False, just a false. It's a false or is a true? It is a truth that has false? Is it false that it was true? Or true? True or false. Here's how this game works. Be will read a statement and you'll tell us if that statement is true or you probably guessed it false the other the other options false. And since it's our first game, each question is worth one point. Alexandra, you'll be going first. True or false. Gandhi did not eat meat until he

was a teenager. That's right, the answer is true. Gandhi's religion, Hinduism, played a large part in shaping his life. His family's traditional Hindu customs included not eating meat. In high school, a friend told him eating me would help him become his fears. But when he tried it and only made him sick and gave him nightmares or what I would call meet mayores. You can use not get something as Gady mcganshan saying eatmares. If you eat meet Makusa nightmares Anyway.

When he got older, he moved to London and joined the London Vegetarian Society. All you have to do to become a member is finished that last fight or broadly on your plate harbor you get the next statement true or false. Th Gandhi was from India. An incident in South Africa sparked his journey for the rights of Indian people. True. Yes, that is true, say it, say it loudly and and uh and confidently, because you're right the answer is true.

As a young lawyer, Gandhi moved to South Africa and purchased a first class train ticket for travel, but a European passenger got a police officer to kick Gandhi off the train for being India, despite Gandhi showing his first class ticket. This was the seed of Gandhi becoming an activist. He wanted to organize and fight for the equality of Indian people living in South Africa, who at the time could not vote mary or even walk legally on public footpaths. Alexandra,

back to you pure false. Before Luke Skywalker used the force, Gandhi used truth force a philosophy that guided his approach to life. True that's right, that is truth force. He called his life philosophy Sacha Raja, which translates to truth force or holding to truth, and became a weapon quote not a real weapon used against unfair treatment of the

Indian population. It includes ideas about non violent ways of breaking unjust laws, non violence against all people, and non possession, living simply with few possessions and using only what one needs. And the next question is for harbor, ture or false. You always hear the word fast when people talk about Gandhi because this guy was not only a spiritual leader, but a leader on the track. He won a gold medal for India in the nineteen twenty Antwerp O Limbics. False.

You're right, that is total eight falls. Gandhi's fast had nothing to do with his running speed. Gandhi would refuse to eat food as a way of protesting. He had many fasts over his life, including a three week hunger strike to get the Hindu and Muslim people in India to stop fighting and start speaking to each other. The two groups came together peacefully to stop his fasting. They didn't want Gandhi to suffer anymore, and you don't have to suffer anymore because this game is over. True true,

true true. Okay, let's see where we are after our first game with producer Jane and the truth force of the scores. Well, Elliott and I don't mind telling you that their Gandhi knowledge is incredible. They both have two points, terrific, We're both of you. It's a tie game. We're going to take a quick break, then we'll be back with more games. Eric, please play us some such a graja music? Why do you got to be such a Welcome back

to who podcast? Today, we're looking at two people who had very different ideas about what it means to add blacks. It's who was Gandhi and who was Marie Antoinette? And now back to your host, Elliot Kalin. Thank you be. Now let's find out more about who was Marie Antoinette with four fast facts fastinas. Marie Antoinette was born in seventeen fifty five and died in seventeen nine. Marie Antoinette

became Queen of France while still just a teenager. The common people of France came to see Marie Antoinette's luxurious life as a symbol of all that was wrong with France, and so at the start of the French Revolution, Marie Antoinette and her husband, the King were thrown in jail and executed by guillotine fast. So now I'm curious. So Marie Antoinette grew up parole life as a as a royal person, and I wonder with our content questions, if you were like queen for a day, queen or king

for a day, what would you do? What would you want to do like as a as a royal person, Alexandra, what do you think? Um? I would want to make the world a better place. That's really nice. Yeah, Harper, what about you? I mean I would kind of bragg about as to my brother because he's always he's always saying that he's like, I'm not the ruler, but he's

older and he's ragging about it. So I like that without the two the two sides of being a royal you have the power to make the world a better place, and you also have the power to totally rub it your brother's face that you're in charge if he's not. I'd probably go somewhere in the middle. I'd probably make us thrown out of chocolate and anita. Oh wow, that's pretty good. Um, I would probably, I don't know, I

really just go horseback riding. That seems like something that royal people do, and uh, I don't really get to do it. So I'm gonna go horseback riding through a beautiful field. That sounds great. I'm gonna change my answer. I'm gonna have a horse made at a chocolate that I'll stilly down. Oh but you'll eat it? Will you ride the chocolate? Of course? For sure. First, I mean it'll have to that my courtiers who who served me.

But I guess we'll have to put it on like a wagon, and then I'll sit on it on a wagon. I'll pretend the horses alive. But then I'll just take bites out of its main and its ears, you know, because it's made at a chocolate. Uh. I don't know why a king has never thought of doing this before, because it's a pretty fantastic thing to do. It's a

pretty bad yeah. I mean, your clothes will get dirty because you're sitting on a chocolate horse that's probably melting, but you know, yeah, but then but then someone else washes them. It's not your problem. Exactly right. I'm the king. I don't do law on trade anymore. This is great, this is the this is the best day of my life. Well, uh, you too. I think would be great monarchs. But let's get on to our next game about a real life monarch.

That's right, breach one we've been talking about. It's called hashtag history. Hashtag history, hashtag history, hashtag hashtag history. Okay, contestants in this game, B will read you a hashtag our teen Queen Marie Antoinette might use on her social media if social media had been a thing in the eighteenth century in France, and you will tell us what is she talking about? And since this is our second round,

each question is worth two points. B. If you would harper, this first hashtag is for you and it says hashtag mom boss. Why would Marie use this? Is it because a Marie's mother had a lot of power or be Marie wrote a play called mom Boss that she performed at court. That's right. The answer is a. Although I would love to see that play. Marie's mother, Maria Theresa, was the Empress of Austria and had big plans for

expanding her family's power in Europe. Austria and France had been enemies in the past, but we're on good terms. When Marie Antoinette was born, Maria the mother thought the best way to keep the peace was to have her daughter marry the future King of France. Maria would continue to be a driving force throughout Marie Antoinette's life and try to shape how Marie Antoinette lived. Okay, The next hashtag is for Alexandra. The next hashtag is hashtag feeling seen.

Would Marie use this hashtag because a there were security cameras everywhere in the palace or be the public could watch her get ready in the morning. The answer is be, You're right. After Marie Antoinette moved to the Royal Palace at Versailles, every morning people could watch her get ready in a ceremony called le lavay that means to get up.

The lava was like a tourist attraction. She was then pretty much on display for the public when she went to Mass and had her meals until she went to bed around eleven PM in a ceremony known as the cuche LaVey cuche oive. That's a lot of time in the public eye. Next hashtag Please all right, here's your hashtag, harper It's hashtag sus song. Would Marie Antoinette use this because a other noble people at fort made up a rude song about Marie Antoinette. Or b it's a song

is actually the name of Marie Antoinette's favorite puppy. That's right, that's right. The answer is a. After Louis and Marie officially became King and Queen of France, a lot of French nobles did not like the way Marie behaved. They thought she was spending too much money and not taking her job seriously enough. They made up a song about her that said, you've given offensive plenty, little queen of only twenty, You'll go home to Austria. Fala la la

fala falal. I think they had trouble coming off with a rhyme for Austria, but still rude. No word if Marie ever wrote a clapback song. The next question is for Alexandra. Our last hashtag is hashtag not me saying let them eat cake. Would Marie Antoinette use this hashtag because A she was gluten free and cake has a lot of gluten, or be she didn't actually say let them eat cake, even though many people thought she did.

B that's right. The answer is be the King of France gave money to help the American Revolutionary War, which put a huge strain on the economy and the people of France. Someone started a rumor that when Marie Antoinette heard people were hungry for bread, she cluelessly said let them eat cake. She didn't actually say this, but people believed she did because they felt the queen was out of touch with the problems of regular French citizens as

she lived behind the gilded walls of her sille. And we're verse signing off of this game hashtag hashtag bonjeous monsieur elliott a mademoiselle b Marie Antoinette. Yes, it is I here thanks to the UA's up. Who was wanderings? Oh to what do we owe this visit? Well, you work in entertainment, yes, and I assume you have how you say, rap parties? So I brought you some of my desert to consider for your next event. These petty force are divine, as is this chocolate. Declaire mercio, we

are you say, love to see it. It's kind of ironic that you started a career as a baker with the whole let them eat cake thing. Ah, yes, even though I never said this, we know that now, Your majesty, please, Your majesty is my Moselle's name called me, your highness, Your highness. Do you know how that let the meat cake story even got started? Like good and covert? Is that a hundred years before I was Queen of France?

The Queen of France said something similar. Can you imagine being followed your whole life and beyond by something Your husband's grandmason maybe said, yes, what I'm an impact? Hello? You know we fold this rumor destroy my I thought the rumors from the court members at Versailles were going to be the end of me. Life at first side was very stressful from what especially before I gave up to my son, there was so much pressure to have a male child. You think gender revealed parties a wild

now they had nothing on monarchies? Is that as in that sounds stressful? Or the show a la creme is delicious? Both Mary and I also wonder how much of me being an outsider the people of France to blaming me for all of their troubles. We I spent lavishly and foolishly, and people had a right to be angry. But my husband spent even more how you say foolish leer than me? Unt he had political power to change things and he did not. But are there rumors about him saying such

insensitive gags things? No, as in painformery and this thirteen is magnificent, not that painful as a guilty into the neck, but it's tongue. But I have decided to Are you say, reclaim some stuff from my past? You say, Marie Antoinette talks about gate. Marie Antoinette will make Cake become very successful and become friends with Guy Fieri in the future. Who can say? And speaking of futures, let us discuss our of youtub We do you think you would like

to eye Marie for your party? Dessert needs absolutely? Are you available next Sunday? I'll need three plumb tarts, a prem berlay, seventeen petty foce and it's to fly in the shape of a castle, but it needs to have a real working drawbridge over a moat made of moose. We I am familiar. Hello, what is this event? May I ask? Sunday? Like I said, ah B has a notorious sweet tooth. I see well, no joge more from Marie.

I appreciate the business. In fact, better get started on this order, Abiental, Thank you your highness, and thank you who was that? We're just about to find out the scores and play our final game after this break, Eric, would you please play us some profederal music full of gluten? Hey? Who was hers? I want to share a fun fact we missed. Do you have an idea for an episode?

I want to explain bitcoin to me. What I'm trying to say is we want to hear from you, so send us an email or voice memo at the Who Was podcast at gmail dot com. Welcome back to the Who Was Podcasts. Today we're talking about Bandi and Marie Antoinette and now back to your host, Hellia Allen. Thank you Bee. We've got a heck of a game going, so without further ado, let's go to producer Jane, who has the verse scores. Elliott, I'd love to say that the scores are very truly idea cool, but I can't

because they are identical. They each have six points. It's what the French call let tie for Now, Nursie Jane. Now we're going into our exciting final game. It's called Backpack from the Past from the Best Baby. In this game, we have a backpack contains some of Gandhi's personal objects and some of Marie Antoinette's personal objects. I guess they shared a backpack. Will describe those objects for our contestants and the listeners at home. And because this is our

third game, is worth three points for each question. Contestants, you will tell us which object belongs to which person. Alexandra, You've got the first object. Oh my goodness, it's a giant sail boat. Well a ship. Really? Who does this ship most likely belong to? Is it a Marie Antoinette who once used a boat as an accessory in her way, or be Gandhi because after his train incident he decided to only travel by boat, even on land. I'm sorry the answer is a French. Nobles commonly wore wigs as

a sign of their high position. Marie took wigs to the next level. Some held scenes of nature with tiny figures of animals. Some had moving parts like flapping birds. After a French victory at sea against the British, Marie wore a model of a ship in her hair. Now I prefer to painstakingly build my ships in a bottle. But that's between me and my Saturday night Harper. Your object is up to next? Oh, okay, it's a salt shaker. Oh that's awesome. I brought popcorn for lunch. But who

would have this salt shaker in their backpack? A Gandhi as rebellion against the Salt Act laws? Who were be Marie Joinette because she never thought the palace chef seasoned food enough. That's right, The answer is a The Salt Act laws stated that Indian people could not gather, make, or sell their own salt. They had to buy it from the British. Gandhi led thousands of people on a protest march known as the Salt March. The two hundred and thirty nine mile march ended in the coastal town

of Dandhi. Gandhi boldly broke the Salt laws when he picked up a lump of salt from the mud. He would eventually get arrested, but the Salt March helped start the civil disobedience movement that led to India's independence. Alexandra get ready. The next object is yours? Oh my gosh, it's a whole bunch of farm animals. Oh wow, we've got sheep, chicken, cows, an elephant. Oh wait, sorry, that's just our secretary slash elephant, Geraldine, Geraldine, get back to work,

all right, Alexandra. Why would there be farm animals in the backpack from the past? Is it because a Marie Antoinette had a small farm that she loved, or be Gandhi opened a petting zoo before he went into politics. That's right. The answer is a Marie had a farm that she would go to when she wanted to escape the public life at Firs. It was called Petit Trianon and it was the one place where Marie Antoinette could

have privacy when life became difficult. Marie would often go there for peace and quiet and when when you think about it, she was like a reality TV star before TV or TV shows had been invented. This last object is for Harper Well gold out. Why do I always get heavy ones? Uh, it's a spinning wheel. We would have a spinning wheel in their backpack. A Marie Antoinette to weave outfits for her dog or be Gandhi to encourage Indian people to make their own cloth. Gandhi, that's right.

The answer is be Gandhi. Gandhi encouraged boycotts, which are a refusal to buy certain items, as a form of non violent protests. In India, the British controlled the manufacturing and sale of cloth, so Gandhi encouraged Indian people to make their own cloth at home. Gandhi believed that spinning and weaving would help give India freedom from the British Empire. He became a national symbol for Indian independence and the

Indian flag even has a spinning wheel on it. People all over the world still used boycotting as a form of protest. Rumpel still skin be Why did you say, Rumple still good? Well, if there's a spinning wheel around, that guy has got to be close by and making sure he knows not to mess with us. And also it's just a fun thing to say. You know what else is a fun thing to say, and that's backpack from the past, From the past, baby. The end of that game means it's just about the end of the show.

While Jane Tally's the final scores, I'd love to hear from the contestants. What was something you were surprised to learn about Gandhi when Marie Intronette Alexandro, what's surprised you? It surprised me that right, Antoinette did not like share bedroom with her husband. Yeah, back then royal couples especially, they lived in a palace with so many rooms. They each had their own bedroom and their own beds. I don't think they even got to see each other very much.

Does it sounds like a great way to spend your marriage, Although I don't know. They say absence makes the heart girl fonder. Maybe they loved each other all the more because they were so busy they never saw each other. And Harper, is there anything that surprised you about Gandia or Marie Intronet? It's surprisingly when I found out the Orie Internet had to proof that towered over three feet two ft over her head. Yeah, she was really a

fashion icon. And back then they would do they would fashion the wigs into something called a proof, and they really took me to be extreme. Um, it was very theatrical. But you know what, I bet that poof even had its own bedroom. There's a lot of rooms at the Palace of Versailles, a lot of rooms all the wigs have their own bedrooms. It's amazing. I highly advise if you're a wig, go to Versailles. You get your room. It's amazing. Well, those were great facts about Marie in TriNet.

Thank you so much both for sharing them. And now it's time for the big moment. Jane, will you please announce our winner? I certainly will. Elliott m b. Although was head to head, so we're outmost to the competition at the last minute, Harper pulled away with twelve points. She is our winner. Congratulations Harper, you played a great game. Alexander, you played a fantastic game too, and you should be very happy with how you did. Harper as our winner,

you have ten seconds for shoutout, still for it. Who would you like to thank about getting you to where you are today? Oh? I would like to thank my mom, my god, my brother a Leicester. The whole time I was in suspense that whether you're gonna thank your brother or not, I'm amazed you did that shows you know what you would be a benevolent queen. I think, yeah,

that's right. That's that showed real elegance. Our winner and their library of choice, where we receiving a selection of Who Was Books, And I'm going to give a shout out to intern Zach, Jane, Eric b and a big thank you to both of our contestants for playing such a great game. And thanks to you wherever you are at home, in a car, outer space, on a chocolate course. Maybe maybe you're on a chocolate course listening to this

right now, in which case, oh, I'm so envious. Next week, join us again as we find out who is two more amazing figures from history. Until then, this is Elliott Chocolate Horse Klin saying We're history. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you. Got a question for any of our famous figures, send us a voice memo at the Who Was Podcast at gmail dot com. It might just end up on the show. The Who Was Podcast is produced by Radio Point, I Heart Media and Penguin Workshop and is based on the

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