Andy Warhol & Jane Goodall

it in a new way. That's four for what what are you writing down? That's four times you touched your face. Let's stop that. Come on, get out here. And I just realized that when you raise your voice, your nostrils flare. Elliott, you are a fascinating subject. Look just look at this drawing idea of you be WHOA, Actually that's pretty good. You really managed to capture my genes s law. Oh is that what you call the mole above your left eyebrow? No,

I call that Bernie. Look be, why don't you observe me in my natural element of podcast host so we can start the show. Hey works for me? Eric play us on please, here we go. What do you think you know about the grates from this story? The game is on. Get some energy and buckle up your brain because it's time to play the podcast. Because it's time to play Who Live from tong Baland or so called

So Cow, Los Angeles. Welcome to Who Was? The history question show that gives contestants the chance to win mega prizes and podcast glory. I'm your announcer, Bean, which finds with he which stands for perceptive. And here's your host, a fascinating man who, by my account, touches ses ibrow once every seven minutes. I do not stop writing things down. Is Elliott Kalin. Thank you be and welcome everyone to the Who Was? Podcast. This show was like Jeopardy, only

with surprise guests, silly games, and keen observations. Our contestants were sent who Was books about two great figures from history. Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the hope so winning fantastic prizes prizes. Today we're talking about animal behaviorist Jane Goodall and pop artist Andy Warhol, two people who were great at spotting what others couldn't see. Now let's meet to other people who I see right now is our contestants? All right? First off, we have Calvin. Calvin,

please introduce yourself. My name is Calvin and I'm a new Orhammer forty sousand play. WHOA. I feel like Calvin just switched languages and I lost everything after I am a new I'll take this. I'll take this. I'm a natural born geek. Calvin, you are about to enter the experience of a lifetime as you journey to the Dark World, the farthest reaches of the g universe h for Endless Battle. Are you looking forward to it? How did you get into Warhammer? Well, after I left out of poking On,

I thought, oh that was cool. Then I watched him deal of how to play, and now I'm really hyped up about it. I will just warn you one thing. One of my best friends is a really, really big Warhammer player, and I will say this. He spends a lot of time with tiny pin paintbrushes, painting tiny little figures of robots and aliens and monsters and things. Are you ready to dedicate your life to painting tiny little statues of robots and monsters and aliens and things? Yes?

All right now, it already started. That's what I just want to say, who was podcast does not endorse war in any way. But if you want to play a game where you're an alien or robot or a monster and you're fighting some other ones, then you know what, do it safely in the comfort of your own home. It's great to hear you're enjoying a Calvin. Thank you so much, Calvin, And with us today we also have Sara. Sarah,

please introduce your self. Hi. My name is Zara, and one sun fact about myself is that I wrote a rap song. You wrote a rap song? Wow? All right? Um? Now I feel like I might have to turn this over to our musician Eric to conduct the follow up questions. I'm I'm really out of my element with both of you, but happy we have people on the show who could take this over. So you rhyme and stuff. Yeah, no further questions. Sounds legit? Okay? That was That was a

probing interview and I feel like we learned a lot. Zorrow, what's the what's the subject of the rap song? What's it about? Okay? Interesting? I feel like our audience at home is just begging for this. Will you spit the few lines for us? Please? In this song today, I'll tell you about a type of food that's healthy that you can't at two meals, some of rice and so kill from something about foods there. So it's just not only that, there also nutritions. Yeah, that's great. That was great.

I love that. I love it. I'm expired. I'm expired just like a fruit time. I meant to say, I'm inspired and I'm hungry. Some of us aren't as great with words as you are. Zara, Well, thank you both so much for sharing. We really appreciate that. That was fantastic. We've got two eminently creative individuals here and I'm so excited for this game. I was want to thank Eric, our eminently creative musician providing that lovely live meet the contestant music and all the music you'll be hearing on

the show today. So that's who is. Now, let's find out who was, or rather I should say who is still. Jane Goodall with four fast facts facts. Jane Goodall was born in London in ninety four and it's still with us working to protect chimpanzees and their natural habitats. In nineteen sixty, good All went to the forests of Tanzania. And Eastern Africa and observed chimps with such patients that they learned to accept her as a member of their community.

Jane good studies expanded and change what we know about chimp behavior. Singer Stevie Nicks wrote a song about good All in and the Simpsons TV show featured a character based on her in two thousand one. Hey wait, that's that's kind of two facts. She's a natural news, she inspires me. I can't help it. Well, you touched your eyebrow. Oh fools, So Jane Goodall, She's devoted her life to

spending time with and protecting chimpanzees. Is there any animal that you would want to spend time with devote your life to protect? Zara? Is there? We know your feelings about fruit are very enthusiastic. What about Is there an animal that you feel that way about? Oh? I can't choose all animals. There are a lot of really good ones out there. Yeah, what about you Calvin a particular type of animal? Yes, okay, thank you both. I know it's time to move on to our first game. It's

called Backpack from the Past, could from the Baby. For this game, we have a backpack that holds some important objects from Jane Goodall's past. Jane might call it a ruck sack because she's from England and they use different words there sometimes, But the important thing to know is it's filled with important stuff. B we'll dig into the backpack and describe each object for our contestants and the

listeners at home. Contestants, you tell us through multiple choice what part of Jane's life the object is from, and since this is our first game, each question is worth one point. Calvin Eureupe first, All right, Calvin, The first thing I'm pulling out from the backpack is Oh, it's soft and cuddly, and the tag says London Zoo gift Shop. It looks like some kind of toy monk. Is this

a a stuffed chimp named Jubilee? Be a stuffy of the beloved British book character Paddington Bear, or see a neck pillow Jane used on long flights from England to Africa. That's right, it's a Jubilee, a big stuffed chimp that Jane Goodall took with her everywhere as a child. It's named after Jubilee, the first chimpanzee born in the London Zoo in other parents worried that the big chimp toy was too scary and that Jane should have a teddy bear or a kitten, but Jane preferred Jubilee, which still

sits on her dressurant home to this very day. The next backpack item is for Zara. Okay, I'm reaching in and the next thing I feel is brown. Okay, it's actually more oval and it fits into my hand and oh no, oh gosh, and I dropped it on Elliot's shoes, um, and the yoke has ruined them. Is this a water balloon filled with yo? Be a chicken egg? Or see a chocolate Cadbury egg left over from Easter? D that's right,

be it's a chicken egg. When Jane was a little girl, she was so curious to see a chicken laying egg that she waited quietly in a chicken coop for hours and hours. Jane's mom was so worried she called the police. But good news is that Jane did see the chicken land egg and she was not arrested for stalking that chicken. In fact, her parents weren't even mad, and that egg still sits on her dresser to this day. No, just kidding that would be gross. Next backpack item is for Calvin.

Oh wow, this is kind of heavy. It's like a big pointy tool where there's also a big rock in here that looks like this big heavy tool was breaking into smaller pieces. Is this a a brick and mortar set, the set of keys to a gas station the desert that someone stole, or C A pick axe? Uh a, I'm sorry the answer is C. It's a pick axe for fossil hunting. Jane's first boss in Africa was the famous palaeontologist, which is a fossil hunter, Dr Lewis Leaky.

Jane was Dr Leakey's secretary at a museum in Nairobi, Kenya. But Leaky could tell Jane had the smarts and the patients to look for fossils using this pick x. Dr Leaky also thought chimps might have a common ancestor with early man, so Leaky later sent Jane to her first chimp study, which would change her life. Okay, The next question and backpack item is for sorrow growth. I don't know how this fits into a backpack, but oh, it's a hill of dirt with a hole in the top.

Were insects crawled in and out. It's like their home. So many bugs. Is this a my lunch that the who was bugs got into be a termite mound? Or see the ant colony Jane studied before she moved on to chimps. B that's right, it's be a termite mound. Jane Goodall was the first to observed chimps fishing for termites by dipping a long blade of grass into the

hole on top of the termite mound. The termites would cling to the blade, then the chimps would lick it off, just like when you dip a stick into sugar candy and then lick the termites off of it. Until then, scientists thought humans were the only animals that made tools, but Jane changed all that. Take termite, stop eating my pencil. I guess we better end the round right there. That's the end of the round, back from the best great round, and thank you all. Well, be goes and fumigates that pencil.

Let's touch base with producer Jane for the scores. Oh, it's very close. Zara has two points and Calvin has one. Thank you, Jane. It's still anybody's game. Those scores are close. But who knows what's going to happen in the next round. We don't and we won't find out until after this short break. Eric, please play us some observation music if you would, and watch the person next to you over this break. Take notes, everybody, I see you. Welcome back

to the who Else Podcast. Today we're learning all about who is Jane Goodall? And who was Andy Warhol? And now back to your host, Elliott Calin, Thank you be. Our scores are Calvin one and Zara to These are fierce competitors, so let's get right to it by finding out more about in the Warhole with four fast Facts Fast Facts. Andy Warhol Day from eight to nine seven in the nineteen fifties. Andy Warhol was a star illustrator in the advertising world. He drew shoes, clothes, appliances, and cats.

Andy was a pioneer pop art, short or popular art. He painted everyday things he loved, like Campbell's soup cans. Warhol created his very famous art studio, nicknamed the Factory, where he could make his work in a kind of assembly line process. Fools, Okay, let's keep moving fast and move on to our next game. It's something we call true or false? False? False? Or is a true? It is a truth that has false? Is it was true? Or true? True? Fault? For this game, be will read

a statement. You will then let us know if the statement is true or false false? Yeah, you got it. Yeah. Not an official question, but you got it right. Because it's our second game, each question is worth two points Zara, Europe. First. When Andy Warhol was an art college in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, he submitted a drawing for a city art exhibition. The drawing was of a boy picking who is that? No? Is that true or false? Sure? That's right, it's true.

The drawing was not chosen for the exhibition, but it got people talking. Andy enjoyed the reaction and was learning how unusual art subjects get people's attention. You know what they say, You can pick art, but you can't pick your nose in an art famous saying. And the next question is for Calvin the Warhol was great at drawing and painting. He is best known for a technique called silk screening, where you squeeze you paint through silk fabric

that lays over a stentil. Is this true or false? True? That's right, it's true. Silk screening allowed Warhols repeat images over and over on one canvas. Sometimes the stencil didn't line up quite right. The loved the interesting mistakes that that made Warhol famously silk screened portraits of movie stars like Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor, and Elvis Presley. Uh, he hasn't done a portrait of either me or be yet. But you still gotta make some movies. We'll get their fingers. Yes,

we'll make it. We'll make it. Will become stars one day, silk screen stars. And the next question is for Zara. Andy Warhol loved cats. Later in life, Warhol and his boyfriend Jed Johnson had a pair of leopards as pets. Is this true or false? False? That's right, it's false. Andy did love cats and published a book of cat drawings in the nineteen fifties. That Andy and Jed had

a pair of docks and dogs named Archie and Amos. Warhol, of course, silk screens their portraits, even though they technically weren't movie stars. The next question is for Calvin. When an new Warhol's hair started to thin and received, he decided to shave it all. A sweek bald head with dark sunglasses became his signature gloove. Is this true or false? False? That's right, it's false. Warhol did start to go ball, but the solution was to wear a silvery white wig

that sometimes poked out in all directions. Perhaps Andy Warhol's greatest work of art was himself. And that's true or false? True? True? True? True orful? Great game, everybody, fantastic work. Let's pop on over to Jane because of pop art with the scores. Czara leads with six points, Calvin has five. Thank you Jane. And now I'm very excited to announce we actually have Andy Warhol here with us in the studio. Hello, all

you know. To get to my studio, I used to take the six train to fifty first Street and walk two blocks east. But to get here today I just used the who was app? Who was that? You want? Oh? You need? Your time? Travel app is effective but not as much fun as a New York subway train. Why don't you add a turnstile you get to go through and go we Yes? I even found the whimsy on mass Transit. Did you catch my whimsy? Wow? That's amazing. Now Mr Wahall, can I call you Andy, Why don't

you call me? Totally underwhelmed by the decor in this studio. There's not a milar balloon in sight. Where's all the busted furniture and people just hanging out? Okay, well, besides mebe giving the studio a makeover. What brings you here today? Well, I'm on a talent scouting mission. I need a new muse for my next art film. I famously said that in the future, which I guess is now, everybody will be world famous for fifteen minutes, like on Instagram or YouTube.

You those some like medical terms, like may I conduct this Instagram before we insert the YouTube? You see, impersonations are also in art form. I was making art well. Actually, nowadays social media's kind of the major way that people can listen. I've had many great muses featured in my work, but none as powerful as chicken noodle soup, which I discovered in the most ordinary of places, the kitchen. So I thought I'd come to other ordinary, drab of places

to see what called out to me. I'm a little offended you think the studio is ordinary or drab. Look, we've got a chandelier and a resident elephant. Geraldine. And not only that, there's also the pool, and there's where that Generaldine and I are allergic to bees. Oh no, no, not a buzz buzz b. I mean your announcer b. You look like you could be muse material for one. You smell like Sue. That's a good start. Would you like to start in my next art film? Um? No, thanks,

I can't act. My high school drama teacher made me transferred to shop class because she said I was the enemy of natural talent. You don't need to act to be in my films. In nineteen sixty four, I made a five hour movie of my friends sleeping. Just turn the camera on and let life unfold. Oh like that show about the Kardashians, Sorry, the Carwoodians. Listen, Mr Wahol. I admire your work and we are flattered, but I don't think we're who you're looking for. I hope we

didn't waste your time. Now I have your who was app appearance contract here in triplicate. Let me just staple it together for you. I'm kind of a stickler for paperwork. That's what we in the biz call a surprise to no one. Wait, stay right there in the light I have found my star after all. Give me that beautiful objects, the stapler, the clean lines, shiny like a piece of candy. Yes, if you look hard enough, you into beautiful things all around you. I will do a Stapler film series and

elevate staplers to high art. I think I will call my stapler paintings. What's that word you said? The cardassian be Elliott Geraldine. I'll just take this and be on my way. Thanks again for the stapler, and many thanks to the Who Was app stick around listeners. We have one game left to determine the champion. Right after this short break, Eric, please play us some pop art music

chewing gum exhibit Sally, Who was there? Marie Curie? You may remember me from winning multiple Nobel Prizes, or perhaps from my episode of the Who Was Podcast where I played myself. I wanted to take a moment to read one of my favorite reviews about the Who Worst podcasts. This is from Shaken Bay and it reads loved this Me and my little sister love this show more. Please.

Our faith is Ariet Toman. If you want to hear your review right on the air, make sure to subscribe, like, and review to the OAHs podcast in the I Heart Radio up or wherever you give your podcasts revoir or should I stay Abien. We're back on the Huah's podcast. We last let off. Calvin had five points and Zara had six points. And now back to your host, Elliot Kalen. Thank you, and we have not a moment to spare because it's time for our last game of the game.

Converge of greatness. That music, I like to think that's what Jane Goodall heard when she saw that chimp using a tool to eat termites for the first time and realized man was not alone in the universe. Okay. In this multiple choice game, we'll explore how our famous people connect, overlap, or converge. You'll be surprised how much our two historical figures have in common. Choose the best of the multiple choice answers for each question, and because we're in the

third round, each question is worth three enormous points. Ready, the first question goes to Calvin B Take it away. Both Jane and Andy's mother's helped them in their careers. While Jane's mother lived with her in the Gombay Reserve and turned their campsite into a local health clinic, for villagers. Andy's mother helped him in his work. This way was it? A Andy used his mother's lovely handwriting in his advertising illustrations. B Andy and his mother were the same size wigs

and would sometimes share them. Or see Andy's mother was actually great friends with Elizabeth Taylor and got her to pose for Andy. A. That's right. The answers A. Yourhol's mother or Julia not only lived with Andy in his apartment where she cooked and cleaned for him, he used her penmanship in some of his early advertising illustrations. Oh, that reminds me, I should call my mom. I need her beautiful handwriting to sign some permission slips for who

was field trips? Okay, the next question is Frazara. Andy Warhol started Interview magazine that helped launch his career. But how is Jane Goodall connected to magazines? A. Her pioneering work with chimpanzees helped Mad magazine find lots of good homes for sea monkeys. Be she was able to reach the public through articles in National Geographic or see she founded Jane Magazine, which started out as a science magazine

but later became a fashion magazine. B. That's right. The correct answer is be Jane Goodall's scientific work reached the regular public through articles in National Geographic. She was often photographed by National Geographic photographer Hugo van Lewick, who Jane would later marry. They had a sunly nicknamed Grove, which sounds like someone who Andy would have hung out with at the Chelsea Hotel alongside our famous who was bugs. This next question is for Calvin Warhol and good alboth

suffered for their art. For Andy, this harrowing lee included a playwright attempt him to assassinate him after he decided not to produce her play, which one of the following harrowing statements is true for Jane. A. Jane had to put up with other scientists painfully and incorrectly, assuming she was a scientists girlfriend hanging out in the lab and not they're doing her own research. B. Jane got pushed over the side of a cliff by an angry chip

or see Jane had spotty Internet in the jungle. That's right. The answer is be Jane Goodall was pushed over the side of a cliff by a chimp ning froto we did not want to be observed. Instead of a long fall, Jane luckily landed in some bushes. Banged up but okay, But I think that should be a lesson to all of us. Do not stand between a chimp and a cliff And the last question of the round is for Zara. Both Jane and Andy had important partnerships in their work.

One of these important partnerships was with a figure who went by the name of David Graybeard. Who was David Graybeard? Was he a a pseudonym? Andy used to review films for Interview magazine so people wouldn't be mad when he gave movies two thumbs down? Was he be a chimpanzee that was one of the first to trust Jane Goodall or see the actual name of Jane Goodall's son b That's right, The answer is be David Graybeard was the first chimp to trust and accept Jane Goodall and possibly

the first chimp to ever have a last name. One day, when she offered him some fruit, he took it from her hand and sat with her holding her hand, which is always the way I try to eat food I get from my fruit. Bender, But he doesn't seem to want to accept me as one of his own. Brutal Maybe someday and that's Converge of Greatness. Yeah, that's the end of that game, which means it's almost the end of the show. While we wait for producer James Tally.

The points I'd love to hear from our contestants, Zara, what was something that you found surprising or interesting, especially about Jane Goodall or Indie Warhol. What's something that really stuck out to you about either one of them. Well, Jane kept trying even though she was thrown off, but that is very persistent and very inspiring. It's just like the old saying when you get thrown off a cliff

by a chimp, get back on the cliff. Calvin, was there anything that particularly jumped out at you or that you thought was really memorable about Jane Goodall or Indie Worhold? What surprised you or or interested you? Um any war Herald made an eight hour movie of the Empire State Building, and the only aim in that eight hours was the sky and dollars of the Empire State Building turning off. It's a really amazing idea for a movie, but I would say it is a long time to sit and

watch the movie. You're gonna want to bring some snacks. Yeah, definitely. And the fact that we have um Jane Goodall and Andy Warhol h in an episode together. I didn't even realize the Empire state Building talking about chimps makes me think of King Kong. Yeah, that would have been an amazing ending for Andy Warhol's Empire state Building movie is if after eight hours a gorilla climbed up the side

of it. Wow, taking everybody by surprise. Talk about a twist, it would have Thank Yeah, watch out m Night Shamalan, but only if they have a patience to wash it until the end. Thank you both for sharing what you what you thought. Let's find out, Jane, who is our big winner? Oh there was only one point difference in the winner and the runner up. Calvin had eleven points, but our winner was Zara with twelve. Congratulations Zara and Calvin.

Great game playing. That was super close. Zara as our winner. You have ten seconds for shoutouts. Who would you like to thank for bringing you to the winner circle today? I would like to thank my parents for helping me and my really nice and funny from it, Calvin, big game, and the hosts for just doing it. Thank you very much. That's what we love to see in our contestants is good sportsmanship and also that they like us. That's the best of Our winner and their library of choice will

be receiving a selection of Who Was books. And I'm going to give my own shout outs to intern Zach Jane Eric will Hines for being our Andy Warhol and of course to be And a big thank you to both of our contestants who played a really great game and should both be really proud of themselves. Thank you you at home or wherever you are for listening to us right now. Join us again. Next week we'll find

out about two more amazing people from the past. Until then, this is Elliott Eyebrow touching omnivore worthy of study, Kalin saying we are history. Goodbye. Everybody got a question for any of our famous figures, Send us a voice memo at the Who Was Podcast at gmail dot com. It

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