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MSNBC Shows True Colors in Aftermath of Kirk Assassination

Sep 12, 202530 minEp. 650
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While our country is still processing the death of Charlie Kirk, it's more important than ever for our media institutions to have integrity. Steve Schmidt reacts to MSNBC's firing of Matthew Dowd and explains why capitulation can't be an option for our journalists.

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Speaker 1

This is the warning.

Speaker 2

This is Steve Schmidt with the warning, and I have some thoughts that I'd like to share about what's going on in the country after the terrible assassination of Charlie Kirk. Some of the responses, the online maga mob threatening people, the thought policing that we're seeing, and the moral cowardice of the MSNBC or ms NOW president who fired Matthew Dowd for saying something that is deeply true and is important to say. And I think it's very very important

that we talk about that what Matthew Dowd said. He was constantly pushing Charlie Kirk, this sort of hate speech aimed at certain groups. And I always go back too. Hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. You can't say these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place. They were met with swift pushback in condemnation from MSNBC president Rebecca Cutler. She said that those words were inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable, and

then went on we apologize for her statements. There's no place for violence in America, political or otherwise. I think it is very very important that we talk about some things with honesty and some integrity. There are three parts to what happened been around Charlie Kirk, and I want to go through all of them, and I want to start in the middle with the murder. And what we all saw online was the preciousness of life. And in

that moment, Charlie Kirk's was obliterated by an assassin. And Charlie Kirk was a thirty one year old father, and he was a husband, and Charlie Kirk had a lot of road left in his life. And I don't discount the possibility that whatever Charlie Kirk was going to become, that from my perspective, much better was among the possibilities. I don't know what Charlie Kark Kirk would have become.

I was stolen by cowards. Act. You should be condemned, and that coward did great injury to the cause I believe in, which is freedom in the United States Constitution, in the United States of America. Because Charlie Kirk didn't believe in a lot of the things I believe in. The appropriate venue was to debate this, and my side is the stronger side of that debate that was weakened

by this despicable action. I have contempt for the anger for it, and I refer all of you to the words of Robert Kennedy, who spoke extemporaneously from the back of a truck to a mostly black crowd in Indianapolis, informing them of the murder of Martin Luther King. And he talked about love and we need more love, just like we needed more love in nineteen sixty eight. Charlie Kirk's legacy is finished. When his life was obliterated, his last word was spoken, and that potential, that promise that

many people saw is gone. There's too much gun violence. Charlie Kirk's legacy is what Charlie Kirk said, and the things that Charlie Kirk stood for were reprehensible. When an eighty year old man, the husband of the Speaker of the House, was assaulted, Charlie Kirk said Patriot would bail out the attacker. He was an apologist for the violence

against the police officers. On January sixth, I give consideration right now to the life of one of the great heroes of the country, Benjamin O'Davis, a black man, one of the fourth or fifth blacks to ever gra graduate from West Point, nobody spoke to him for four years. Time becomes the commander of the Tuskegee Airman, four star officer, and Charlie Kirk says, when he sees a black pilot or a black woman, pilot's not safe to fly. I could give you one hundred and anti semitic, racist comments.

And that's why it is an obscenity that there'd be a proposal that Charlie Kirk lie in repose under the Capitol don It's deeply inappropriate. That is not a place for him. Charlie Kirk never served his country, not for a day, not for an hour, not for a minute, not for a second. Divided his country. They had a guy given right to do so. He was a white nationalist. He was a Christian nationalist. He did not believe in the American faith. Yet Charlie Kirk had the courage of

his convictions. He believed in things, and one of the things he believed in was we are not all created equal. He believed that there is a hierarchy, that some of us are more equal than others, and there's a reality that that is an evil that brings death, and nobody should be intimidated about saying the things that need to be said and are true. And so I want to respond to something very very directly that was said by

Donald on the eve of nine to eleven. He said, for years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie Kanazis. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country, and I must stop right now. My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this a Trial City and other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those

who go after our judges and law enforcement officials. If I understand what Donald has said, it is this that the murder of Charlie Kirk, which I have condemned, was not a singular action by a loan assassin who fired a rifle and a bullet at a human being. No,

the murder was a collective act. And the collective act was a conspiracy of all of us who object to the rising tyranny in the United States, the deployment of the military against the people, the deployment of mass men, and the right given to them by the Supreme Court that says for the first time ever in this country that you must show papers, please the indiscriminate violence being

unleashed against people by the state. That if you oppose this, according to Donald Trump, you are part of the conspiracy that killed Charlie Kirk. And if you're a part of an organization, say the ACLU, say the Democratic Party, say the Save America movement, a bulwark subscriber, a contrarian subscriber. Maybe you read too much Tara Palmer, then he's going to go after you. If you criticize the corrupt Supreme Court, well you're complicit in the murder. And so what do

we know? Like I said, in that terrible instant of obliteration of this young man forever more, what happened next he definitionally was not part of, couldn't contribute to, had no impact on worsening the situation. But immediately in the instant when it became known that he had been murdered,

the worst of the worst. Laura Lumer and Alex Jones, neo Nazis Christian nationalist neo Nazi began calls for civil war and violence and the killing of their fellow Americans for the judgment made by Trump, that we are all collectively responsible because we opposed Trump, and we oppose the illiberalism, and we opposed his abuses of power, and we opposed the stoking of hatreds that have played out NonStop a Fox New for many, many years. We're the enemy, We're

the criminals, and so a mob, a maga mob. And I will not take moral lectures from Jesse Waters and Sean Hannity and Laura Ingram. These people are liars, These people have abused the public. These people serve as sick of fans for a accused rapist, an insurrectionist, a convicted felon, Jeffrey Epstein's best friend. I take no lectures from these people. None,

And yet their influence is felt in America's newsrooms. And what happened to Matthew Dowd was he was stabbed in the back by a woman who is utterly on set to be the president of a network, the moral coward, and she's succumbed to the mob. And then watching Scarborough and mourning Mika Pylon was even more disgusting. Joe Scarborough looked his audience in the eye and he said in twenty twenty four that Donald Trump was a Nazi in

an election where we now all understand the consequences. Joe Scarborough look you all in the eye, sitting at the same desk, he condemn Mattthew Dowd from like a coward, and he said, if any person believes Joe Biden's not at his best intellectually, mentally, physically, then fuck you. That's what he said. And so Joe Scarborough gets paid twenty million dollars a year or maybe thirty or maybe more to lie to you, and Matthew Dowd got fired for

telling you the truth. Now, what's important to comprehend about his firing and what he said. What he said is fundamentally the core lesson of the Holocaust. It was l Vizel's life message. And these words can't be spoken out loud on American television because they offend Donald Trump. Do you know why they offend Donald Trump and Maga. They offend Donald Trump and Maga because Maga and Donald Trump

are insiders of violence. And what insiders of violence and fascists do at the first opportunity is to use incidents to consolidate power with accusations of collective guilt. It was with words and images that the Nazis and their adherents articulated their extreme anti Semitic hatred and fanned its flames with words. They determined all Jews to be their arch enemies and blame them for all of the ills of society as they perceived them to be. Undoubtedly, without such

hateful words, the brutal and murderous actions would not have followed. Furthermore, it was with words that they justified perpetrating the crime of the Holocaust. The United States Holocaust Memorial follows Vad Bishem and it says propaganda is a truly terrible weapon in the hands of an expert, wrote Hitler in nineteen twenty four, when he was a somewhat marginal figure in German public life, but he was not marginal to the emerging Nazi Party, where he served as its first director

of propaganda. His insight was how to use its powerful messaging and new technologies to build a mass political and social movement in the context of German democracy, building a fear and resentment coupled with long standing anti Semitism, the Nazi Party deployed propaganda to offer a bold new vision

for Germany. That propaganda help to create a climate that embolded the perpetration traders, provided justifications for the collaborators, and helped silence the bystanders, all helping to make the genocide of the Jews possible. These are the fundamental lessons, fundamental lessons of the most important events to ever occur in all of human history. Jack Kleiger was a Holocaust survivor. This is the living memorial to the Holocaust the Museum

of Jewish Heritage. When you consider what hate can do, you do not have to look for. You bear witness to the manifestations of hate in our world today, amid rising anti semitism and discrimination against people of all races and all faiths. When we speak about the Holocaust, remind people that it did not begin with violence. It did not begin with concentration camps and ghettos. It began in the minds of those who sought the sew division, who

believed they were better than others. It then escalated into words to turn people against each other, and finally it spiraled into violence and the death of millions. When we say that one must never forget the Holocaust, it is because we must never forget how it began, how words gave voice to discrimination and led to genocide. As the son of a Holocaust survivor, I know well how hate

speech can lead. They hate for actions. We must ensure we never experience another holocaust, So we all have an obligation to speak worse and instead lead to peace and open promise of a better world. Why is it the Yad Vasham and the Holocaust Memorial are built around the message for which Matthew Dowd was fired by the president of nsnbcis who succumbed to the mob and denounced a truth teller and called it news. Why did that happen? Why did Rebecca Cutler fire Matthew Dad? Why did she

capitulate and crumble? Why did that happen? Why did she succumb to the mob? And the answer to that question is I don't care she did. Matthew dow told you the truth when he said too hateful thoughts lead to hateful words lead to a forel actions. And the reality is is that Charlie Kirk was an apostle of that hatred. He was a messenger of division, and the calls to turn him in to Maga horsed vessel are deeply inappropriate.

But that's what's happening. You are seeing a fascist regime try to make Charlie Kirk a martyr of the state when what he was was a divisive leader of a divisive faction of a political movement. Charlie Kirk did not serve his country. Laura Ingram does not serve her country. She serves Fox News. Fox News is not the American state, and these people are some of the most divisive partisans there would be when George Wallace survived the assassin's bullet.

Eddie lived, would it be appropriate to place him in repose under the Capital rotunda. It would not. And so now this aggression must be confronted because the placement of Charlie Kirk's body under the Capital Dome is a symbol of conquest that the insurrectionists who invaded the space violently and who sought to do so to burn down the constitution.

Those criminals who were pardoned were amongst the first to threaten violence in revenge the murder of Charlie Kirk, and so they will be able to reassemble under the dome that they desecrated to celebrate the life of a person who said it was not violence there, it's an inappropriate setting. To say the least, there is no outrage over the assassination in Maga of State Senator Melissa Wordman. That silence

is in and of itself a provocative act. Proud Boys are violent, the Oathkeepers are violent, the Patriot Front is violent, and the neo Nazis are on the march in America and they are openly calling for violence against all of US Americans in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's death. And so I had to test the murder, and I implore all of you to to test the murder. And I deplore the assassin, and I hope all of you deplore

the assassin, condemn him. But at the same time, will not be intimidated into submission into saying that Charlie Kirk stood for the American way of life. He did not. He was trying to tear it down. And his words leave that record. This moment is unchanged by an assassination when it comes to the deep corruption at hand, when it comes to the fact that the United States government days ago obliterated eleven human beings under nebulous circumstances. To say the best and When it was pointed out to

the Vice President it may be a war crime. He responded by saying, I don't give a shit. The cause of the escalating political violence and rhetoric in America is

Donald Trump. It is propaganda to suggest asked there is equivalence between some left wing child or not with no authority, no power, and the President of the United States and his top advice, the most powerful people in the world, have on a constant basis over ten years time, threatened and threatened, and threatened and threatened and threatened and threatened some more. Donald Trump has courted violence, He's stoked violence. And now we live in a world where up is down,

down is up, left is right, right is left. And in this Wrwellian world, an honorable man is fired by a dishonorable woman because he had the gall to say on live television when, by the way, it was completely unclear what had happened, and he had not yet seen

any video. He just knew there were shots fired. And intellectually, Rebecca Cut doesn't understand the causation, doesn't understand how it was because I saw it clearly in September of twenty twenty that if you lie about the outcome of the election. If you say it was stolen, that there's an illegitimate government, that there's likely to be violence, words to violence. Matthew Dowd should get a very good lawyer. That lawyer should do everything he can in the discovery process to get

hold of the emails of panic. They will tell you all you need to know about the rot inside of MSNBC News is you have that flincher president Rebecca Cutler brought to her knees by the Maga mob. And then you have the indecency of Joe Scarborough and Mika Brazinski attacking this truthteller. The two people who called Trump Hitler, lie to the people about Biden run down to mar A Lago to get on their knees for trumplive the truth.

A couple of weeks ago, Joe Scarborough looked the audience in the eye after the Alaska summit and he said, it was Trump who held all the cards. But there's no cost to saying stupid shit on MSNBC and losing your job making twenty million dollars a year because he

definitely lies. He plays the game. Like he said, he's on the phone with Donald Trump in the after mathter the assassination because Joe Scarborough is so important, he was running the Biden campaign off the side of his show, And man, what's satisfaction it must give Donald Trump's narcissistic ditch to see Joe Scarborough brawling around on the glass

on his knees in front of him. But Joe Scarborough, Amika PRESENTSTI dare to presume did they sit upon some type of throne perch where the American people look to them for a type of moral guidance? Right? Wrong? About what we can say, well, we can think to police Matthew Dowd. It's despicable. What Matthew Dowd said is deeply true and the cost sometimes of speaking of deep truth is what happened to Matthew Dowd. But what happened to Matthew Dowd illuminates like a brilliant super nova, the utter

corruption of the corporate media in America. On MSNBC, there are two impregnable gibraltars of integrity. It's Lawrence O'Donnell and there's Nicole Wallace. Despicable doesn't begin to describe what was said about Matthew Dowd what was done to Matthew Dowd by a group of cowards. Let me conclude by summarizing again, I will not submit to the idiocracy. And I believe that it's necessary to state with perfect conviction and clarity three things that in my mind do not oppose one another.

I'm an American who believes absolutely in the First Amendment. I would have liked to debate Charlie Kirk. I'm a person who has been targeted by a political extremist enamored by Donald Trump, who was sending bombs to people. I've dealt with hundreds of death threats. I disdain it, and I condemned the murder, but the record is not redeemed by the end of a life that was spent dividing. He did more cleverly what David Duke did. He was condemned by mister Meghan McCain Ben Dominic of Fox News

as an anti Semite. He dehumanized people, and he's spread conspiracies. Watching him be torn into excuse me, watching him be turned into Horst Vessel by maga's chilling, and it requires the submission by all of us. Intimidated by a mob. The silence around their expression that what he stood for was noble, and it was not. It was indecent, and it was un American. It deserved opposition then, and it

deserves opposition now. We must all of us who are against Donald Trump, be against the lies, against the assassination, against the intimidation of the Trump mob, all of it together, all at once. Freedom means no person has the right to be judge, surey and executioner. It's what makes Stephen Miller evil when he says, let's obliterate a boat of migrants. It's what makes JD. Vance evil when he says, I don't give a shit when somebody points out he doesn't

have the indiscriminate ability to kill. The man who killed Charlie Kirk is a version of Stephen Miller. He's a little likeman. There's little likemans on the left, and there's little likemans on the right. And every good American should disdain them, all of them. But every good American in this moment who believes in freedom must reject the collective guilt imposed by Donald Trump upon all of us. Donald Trump concluded after a murder was that he had a

golden opportunity to make himself more powerful. What I concluded after the murder was that a young man had been killed, and I prayed for him. The Democrats he reacted to this prayed for a young man in his family. They didn't do performance theater like Lauren Bobert on the floor of the house, or break into hysterics like the whack job woman Congressman Marie Luna. Whatever. Here's the deal. George Wallace didn't deserve to be shot, but getting shot didn't

redeem George Wallace and the hatreds that he spread. Sometimes terrible things happen to good people, and sometimes they happened to bad But no murder for any reason of any person is dependent on any person's view of that human being. Because the American faith is that that life made in the image of God is beyond the comprehension of a human being and beyond the power of a human being to decide whether it is worthy to take or not.

We believe that all are created equal and that there are no lesser people, and that includes our political opponents, no matter how vile we may find their speech. I want to say, in conclusion, Matthew Dowd is my friend. Matthew Dowd is on substack. I hope every person who follows me will subscribe to Matthew Dowd. He is an important voice in his country. He is a voice of integrity, He is an honest voice. He is an honorable man. He is a good father, he is a good friend.

Happen to him was wrong, and the shift put into him was dealt to him in the back by a coward who is contemptible. I bet the Cutler should resign as the president of MSNBCS has no credibility as a news executive. But she's safe in that space because no news executives and any of these capitula networks have credibility. CBS News is the plaything of the son of the richest man in the world. Bob Iger's got no stomach for a fight. It's the CEO of Disney. You saw

their despicable conduct regarding George Stephanopolis. The capitulations of the billionaire class for more and more and more and more and more. But some of us will not submit to this. Matthew Dowd is one of those people, and he deserves your respect. I hope you'll follow him and understand that in the aftermath of this tragedy. Excuse me, in the aftermath of this tragedy, you're saying a rare, rare assertion of cynicism at the highest levels, like a perfect game

in baseball. Charlie Kirk, a racist in life, now martyred in death to the cause of his faction, will lie by their proposal and state in the place that those Maga thugs desecrated during the insurrection. He will be draped in the flag that we never saw served his country and his ideas were anthma to the values of the country. Don't tolerate the gaslighting, my friends, stand up against it. I'm Steve Schmidt.

Speaker 1

This is the warning. I invite you to join this community, where I promise to be honest, blunt and direct about what is happening in this country. America is in crisis. Follow and subscribe to this channel and on substack.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

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