YOUTUBE UNCENSORED - WAN Show August 1, 2025

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Do I bleep it? I think so. Because we always were like that. Copulation! Yeah. In other news! I haven't done my second one yet. I just got excited. In other news... LMG is Canadian propaganda now! That's right! There's a new little end card thing on all of our videos that's all, like, funded by the government of Canada. We really have some, we're like Lucy, because we have some splainin' to do. Uh, sure. Yeah. Uh, you took mine. Darn it. I do try.

Oh, that's the main one I wanted to do. That's how I assert my dominance. No, okay. And I also pee on your things. We mentioned there being a Bredasaurus game. Last WAN show? And there is one, apparently. It happened really fast. Yeah, that was crazy. So we'll check that out. Also, the Internet Archive is now a U.S. federal depository library, which is actually awesome. The show is brought to you today by Thorum.

Squarespace, and Vessi. Alongside, of course, our rap partner, Dbrand, our laptop partner, Dell, and our chair partner, Secret Lab. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic? This... This surprised the... Man, it's hard to do it. But I don't necessarily think that we should because we never did. Old habits die hard. But we never did, so I think it's okay. Okay, well, why don't I read the thing first? Yeah.

This was prepared by Adam from the writing team. He says, advertise here, you little shit. YouTube allows shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker. and more in the first seven seconds. Two years ago, the money-hungry shitworms at YouTube said that any fucking video that swore in the first seven seconds wouldn't be monetized. Well, that's changed. Now you can swear again.

In their video, YouTube specifically says that asshole and bitch are moderate profanity and words like fuck are strong. They do not provide any more examples, which is unfortunate because... I always love it when corporations just kind of like in the interest of, of, of explicitness, pun intended, give examples, say bad words or got it. Talk about, you know,

Sexual things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. Tell me exactly what's allowed. High frequency squaring across the whole video is still an ad policy violation, however. Oh, shit.

I mean, I'm bleeping it. But what's interesting about this is the word through the grapevine, though I don't think I ever had anyone concretely confirm this for me, the word through the grapevine was that even high frequency of... expletive deleted beeps especially very early in the video could have had an impact before although it seems like that used to be a thing now maybe now maybe it won't be as much

Hateful speech is still a policy violation, so if you were to say, I f***ing hate you so much, that's not hate speech. You guys get the point. YouTube has not provided more specific information as to where the profanity line exists, so... We're still going to be running on Vibes.

YouTube is also, this is interesting, re-monetizing older content that was in violation of the policy, assuming, of course, that that was the only violation. Now, because this topic was prepared by Adam, naturally, our decision... Discussion question is, what's your favorite swear? I think I know your answer and I don't think you can say that still.

shouldn't laugh so much on that one yeah we both know what you're talking about unfortunately it's just a it's just a fun word yeah it's like a happy word yeah you know It's just, it rolls. My sadness with that is the way that it...

fits into certain sentences and stuff. I don't want to actually use it because of the negative connotation. We're actually not going to use it because we actually shouldn't. And I agree with that. It's just there isn't another word that sounds like that and like plays like that in a sentence yep yep no no i i i mourn the loss of of that i get i agree with it's also it's also one of those words that can be a sentence

yeah you know and uh and that's uh you know it's just like you think about that and you're just like oh yeah yeah it sucks i wish that word didn't mean what it meant yeah sure yeah if that makes sense Yep. I think you guys probably have... But then the core original was also different. Words are weird.

Oh, oh, 100%. Words are weird. 100%. You know what? Realistically, my favorite swear word is also not a swear word. It goes really well with a swear word. I can tell you that much. And you might say that I dropped it casually in my high school years. What? I'm just reading track. It was so cool. We have to return some videotape. Remember LMG? It was such a cool period of our lives. Yeah, it never comes up for you ever, does it, Luke?

And you know what? For me, again, I totally understand why that word has fallen out of favor. I do have to admit, I don't really see the difference. It used to be that... Dude, it seems worse now. Sorry, in what sense? The words that people use in lieu of it. Seem worse now in my opinion. Well, yeah. Yeah. Because that's the thing. Which is wild to me. Is people always move on. But it's like we definitely escalated and people seem fine with the escalation.

i'm sure that will not be true in like two years or something yeah i mean it's it's one and it's one of those things where it's like even even within our our lifetime like the the because okay here's the thing People are always going to make disparaging comments about people whose mental acuity is perceived to be lower. I am not saying they should. I'm not saying that I should. I'm just saying that people will. Yeah. That will always be just like any of the other...

that people will bully each other over that will always be something that people will attack. And it seems like there's a bit of a pattern where when... When people are looking for a trendy new word to use to hurl at each other, they go straight to the medical textbooks. You know, idiot. You can just totally say. Moron. You can just totally say. They literally, like literally though, actually literally, at some point or another, particularly idiot, literally meant the exact.

same thing still do as far as i can tell but like we've we've drawn we've drawn this like this line and we're like That one's okay. Yeah, that one, well, it's not, I don't think that it's that it's okay. I think if you ask someone to really sit down and think about it, it's like, okay, well, why can you say, why can you say like, why can you, why does nobody flinch? You know?

When you call someone a moron or you say that's, that's an idiotic thing to say, you know, whatever else, like nobody really bats an eye. Um, but like, but that word. They'll be like, oh yeah, no, no, those other ones are bad too. I thought for a while that it was because of one of them being more of a category. But then the new word in that field is also specific again.

So yeah, no, it's a, it's a, clearly that wasn't the case. Like we're just, we're just talking, we're talking about the, like the more spectrumy word, right. That has sort of taken the place, which is, which is funny to me because like, I'm not even necessarily convinced that being on the spectrum is an insult. A lot of people really own it, which I think is cool, to be honest. Yeah.

Whereas like just sort of broadly your mental capacity is low seems like more of an insult. I also think these days it's very common for people to identify like any little minor thing about practically anyone. And be like that means you are on the spectrum. It's just like bruh at a certain point.

If you're going to include all this stuff, we just all are. Well, that's the whole thing. It's a spectrum. Welcome to humanity, I guess. Dark Rainbow says, I think the R word is actually a medical term? Yeah, but so was idiot. Like that's the whole thing is like idiot became the favored medical term. And then people started using it to insult each other. So they made a new word and then people started using that to insult each other. So they like.

made a new word. I mean, look, not on the playground, because the timing would have been right for that, but by the time I was in high school, you'd have people throwing things differently abled at each other. Literally... Just taking whatever was the most politically correct terminology that anyone could possibly come up with and going, oh, well, let's just use that then.

You just say it in a certain tone. Yeah, it's more about the tone. And maybe that's something that bothers us so much about the R word is that it is so fun to say. It's like... In the exact opposite way that the one that I liked was fun to say. Yes. Because that one's and the other one's Yeah, you can extend it. Yeah, and look, I fully support that there are very good reasons that... Or rather, there's just no reason.

to you know stomp on a group of people with our language if there isn't a good reason for it um and so you know do i necessarily subscribe to that you know i i should constantly have to be keeping up to date with every single, you know, sensitivity around every single word. No, I don't think that's possible. But, you know, once...

You know, once you're informed of, you know, what the impact of something is, words do have power. You know, that whole sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me. It's like, yeah, they can't break your bones, but to say that they can't hurt you, I think you'd have to be pretty stone cold to...

to never have anything that anyone said hurt your feelings. Because it's not the words that do it, right? Of course, it's the negative energy that someone is projecting at you. So, anywho. What's my favorite swear? I don't know. I guess I don't really have one anymore. Love me a good F-bomb, though. So versatile. I don't know if there's one I use more than that. It is probably the most versatile word that we have at all, pretty much. Because it's just used for everything. Good, bad, whatever.

Yeah. It's the filler word of all filler words. I'm going to go with that then. Yeah, sure. Oh my goodness. If you could make any non-swear word into a swear, what would it be? See, that's impossible. Because at a certain point, they lose all of their original meaning. So you could really pick any word. Some people are saying clanker.

Clanker. I don't know. I don't buy it. That feels very forced to me. Yeah. I know it's apparently trending right now. Let's go with bread. Bread. Yeah. I thought bucket. Bucket. You know what? I like bucket. Because my whole thing is I like how words... Bucket. Let's do it. feel to say and how they sound out i care a lot more about that than like that's the reason i like that one word that we're not saying is because it it it like

how it feels to say and how it kind of flows and sounds out and how you can integrate and how you can extend it and all that kind of stuff is why I like the word, not the other stuff. Right. So I kind of like Bucket. Right. You know what? I'm going to go with Regarded. We should move on. Suddenly everyone cares about the children. Not you.

It's not just the UK. YouTube has started rolling out age estimation technology to a small set of users in the US. Starting August 13th, if the platform... thinks that you are under 18, it will activate protection measures like non-personalized ads. Okay, cool. It will enable the take a break and bedtime reminders and it will alter recommendations.

Yeah, honestly. I mean, these all... Maybe they should just roll them out platform. Anyway, Google is taking similar measures with some US-based Google accounts over the next few weeks. The Australian government... Is nixing an exception they were going to make for YouTube in the country's social media ban? Come December, accounts for users under 16 will be illegal.

In other news, Spotify is threatening to delete UK user accounts if they fail an age verification test. Here's a list of Ofcom approved methods for age verification. verification in the uk you can do facial age estimation so you show your face via photo or video and technology analyzes it to estimate your age open banking

You give permission for the Age Check Service to securely access information from your bank about whether you're over 18. The Age Check Service then confirms this with the CIDR app. Keep that train going. Digital identity services. These include digital identity wallets, which can securely store and share information, which proves your age in a digital format.

Credit card age checks. You provide your credit card details and your payment processor checks if the card is valid because you must be over 18 to obtain a credit card. This shows you're over 18. Was I over 18 when I got my first credit card? I'm trying to think. I thought I had like a parent cosine one before I was 18. I could have sworn I did.

I'm looking at something somebody else sent that they said was cool. Newgrounds. Well, someone said that. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. I haven't heard anyone say Newgrounds in forever, but somebody said that Newgrounds is doing an age checking that is actually really cool. So I want to see what it is. Hold on, let me get through. the rest of the officially approved ones uh email based age estimation wait you provide your email address and i love this technology analyzes

Other online services where it has been used, such as banking or utility providers to estimate your age. Mobile network operator age check, so you give permission for an age check service to confirm whether or not your mobile phone number has age filters applied to it.

And photo ID matching. So this is similar to a check where you show a document. For example, you upload an image of a document that shows your face and age and an image of yourself at the same time. And these are compared to confirm the document is yours. Here are some sites that are verifying, and this is from the BBC. Pornhub and a number of other major adult websites have confirmed that they will introduce enhanced age checks.

Reddit has already introduced age verification to stop people aged under 18 from looking at certain mature content. Telegram and Twitter, they'll be using facial scans to determine if users are over or under 18. gives UK users a choice of face or ID scanning as a way to verify their age.

And after testing methods, Blue Sky says it will give UK users a range of different verification options. And Newgrounds has announced they will not use facial recognition and instead use things like account age or supporter status. to determine user age. Which is effectively pay access, to be clear. Now, this is hilarious. Small one-time fee. This is hilarious. We can't verify this right now, not easily anyway, but apparently some folks in the UK are using Gary's mod.

to circumvent UK censorship. Pretty fantastic. Oh my god. That is amazing. Pretty fantastic. I hope it's real. I really hope it's real. Well, last week we talked about how they use Death Stranding. Yeah. So they're using games either way. I just liked the Garry's Mod one better. Honestly, if you're going to put... I think it's hilarious that they're...

openly talking about how they're not going to regulate AI, which, I mean, I've talked about how I don't think it would work anyways, even if they tried. So it is what it is. But they're openly talking about how they're not going to regulate AI, and they're saying, oh, by the way, we're going to verify your age based on a picture.

Those two things happening at the same time is genuinely hilarious to me. Because people are using video games, especially Gary's Mod, in my opinion, is really funny. The easiest way to do this would just be to generate a picture. Well, don't forget, they ask you to do stuff. But even then, you could just generate an avatar. Yeah.

It's pretty trivial. This is literally a solved problem. And they're like, we'll use this totally solved problem that the kids know the best as our version of age verification. Are you kidding me? How disconnected. How completely disconnected lawmakers seem to be from tech and how it works. Let's make it an enormous, massive, incredible pot of extremely valuable information for people to steal and hoard.

for all of the people that are going to approach this legitimately. And let's also make it incredibly easy to get around illegitimately. So that it is completely ineffective to anyone who really wants to actually access this content and shouldn't for whatever reason, or we don't want to, maybe I'll say that. But we are still collecting an incredibly valuable hoard of information just to make sure that someone can steal it.

That is all that is happening. It's completely ineffective, completely worthless, and a huge pot of valuable information for bad hackers. Now look, if I could believe that they were actually going to just ingest this information... process the check, send back a validation code or something like that, and it was immediately deleted. If I could actually trust that that was happening, look.

If I could trust that that was actually happening perfectly, then this stuff wouldn't bother me as much. But to Luke's point about creating treasure troves of data for people to target...

I think that's way more likely, unfortunately. Or even treasure troves of pipelines of data. Like, you're saying even if it's immediately deleted. Well, they had it for a period of time. So if those systems are compromised... Okay, when I say immediately deleted, though, I'm talking end-to-end encrypted, end-to-end... I'm talking if they were doing it, if I could trust them to do it properly.

Because that's the problem. In general, I am fairly supportive of the idea of not having to carry around a stupid plastic card that validates if I'm allowed to operate a motor vehicle. What f***ing year is it? But the flip side is I don't trust them to do the other way properly. That's the problem. If I could, then obviously the utopia is that I just...

Have everything tracked digitally if I don't care. And I have plastic, paper, physical options if I do care. Choice. I'm advocating for choice. But either way, it should be done. with security first and i just don't trust and to be clear I'm not singling out the UK government here. No, it's happening in lots of places. I'm not singling out the US government or the Australian government, which is why I didn't name any specific governments. It's just all of them in a bucket.

Yeah. All of those governments are very well regarded. Language. We're not gonna make it out of here. I didn't say it. I said off. You said more than that. Oh man. Oh man. Did Dan leave? I mean, yeah, I guess it's better to just take off before the pitchforks and torches show up. What do you want to talk about next? Because I, without him...

Putting things on the signs, I literally don't know what to do. I think it's just topic two. That was topic two. Oh, really? Yeah. Uh... Oh. Should we talk about... This petition one?

Oh, I was going to do LMG is Canadian propaganda. Sure, yeah. Let's do it. Might as well tell the people. Okay, so our sources are Reddit, who noticed this... It's truly amazing how Reddit can notice things multiple times. I think this is like the fourth post. Reddit is really good at noticing. They just sit there and notice stuff. So we recently had this. show up in our end cards on our videos funded by the government of Canada. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Financé par le gouvernement de Canada.

And Reddit noticed, and they had some questions about what the crap exactly it is that that means. So we went to Josh from the accounting department, or rather Nick Ploof did from the writing team. He has a display, by the way. He went to Josh and... said uh we are getting government tax credits we applied through cavco the canadian audio visual certification office and have received tax credits from the cra the canadian revenue agency

Is it Canadian Revenue Agency or Canada Revenue Agency? I thought it was Canadian. It doesn't matter. It's the CRA. Nope, I care. I'm looking it up. It's the tax man. Canada. CAVCO. Yes. Cavco does not dictate and has no control over what content we produce. They've reviewed our content and deemed it eligible. That is it. This funding could be revoked at their discretion.

And to support the fact that our content is not controlled, the funding actually occurs post-production cycle, which is something that I have actually... spoken about at length in the past because one of the observations that I have meant or that I've made over the years is that some of this funding appears to be appears to have many hoops that need to be jumped through and also many rules in place that make it difficult for startups who probably need it.

more badly than more established companies do. It makes it kind of hard for them to get it. With that said, if these tax credits are out there... and we do have the capacity to apply for them and work through all the paperwork and all of that, then I sure as heck am not going to not do that at this stage. But boy, could I have ever used it 10 years ago a lot more than I'd need it today. Yeah, and aren't these, like, these are old, aren't they? Um, so...

The payouts are quite delayed, I think. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I mean. Yeah. Like, this is for, like, a long time ago. So, like, they come in, and then the accounting department regards them, and then they... Put them in a bucket. Put them in a bucket, yeah. Anyway, there is one small thing. That watermark was actually not supposed to be on TechLinked.

It's only applicable to LTT. Our other channels are actually not affected. So if you've seen the watermark on TechLink to Short Circuit, that should no longer be the case starting next week. I don't know why Short Circuit wouldn't count. I'll have to talk to... I'll have to talk to them about that. Because I know that news was not...

was not covered. So I think that's why TechLinked is no good. There's certain classifications of content that they don't fund. There's also like, I'm sure, honestly, this is probably a problem in like basically every country because any system...

like this is going to get horrifically abused by somebody and then you're going to have to lock it down like crazy and then it becomes harder to utilize for the people that need it most. I understand this is a cycle but I have found like even with a lot of Canadian tax credits it takes so much work are you talking shred right now yeah yeah it takes so much work just to get the credit that it's often not worth doing the work to get the credit because it would be better to just do your job

Because it's like you would lose so much productivity trying to get the credit for the productivity that you might as well just do more. Yeah, it's surprising how many folks we've talked to that literally will hire someone. whose entire full-time job is to extract shred credits or cavco credits or whatever the case may be i know a small to medium-sized gaming studio in vancouver that has two

full-time staff that their literal only job is to capture shred credits. Which is like, I feel like if this is the case, we've... screwed up at some point because that should not like in in my opinion in a well-functioning society that should not be a role that exists anywhere because that is purely just a waste of people

In my opinion. And like, I get it. Apparently to them, like talking to them, both of those people pay for themselves and more by capturing these credits. So like, nice, but damn. um we also apply for um it's sred for or sr and ed i think is what it is for people that are wondering what how we're saying shred everyone calls it shred up here but i think it's sred

We also apply for provincial credits, so you'll find those on our website, linusmediagroup.com, from CreativeBC. Yeah. Want to hear a fun fact? Did you know that the checks that we get, like our tax credits, are considered taxable income? Even though it's a deduction, theoretically, like in principle, of the tax that we paid, it actually counts as income, and we pay income tax on it. Yes, FoxNZ, the tax cuts are taxable. I just wish... I just wish we did more with it.

You know, we did more with it. Yeah. What do you mean? You know, I wish we weren't like going tremendously into debt and stuff like that. Us? The country. Oh, yeah. Well, I didn't know. No, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, no, we're doing okay. No, not. Yeah, not the guy. We got this. company's doing all right everything's under control we're just uh dan um we're gonna have to make some cuts though oh my goodness

Normally I do crossfades, but I can switch it to cuts if you prefer. I like it. I like that. And that, my friends, is why he's not going anywhere. He's sharp. He's quick like that. No, it's just like... We do video editing, get it? It's a funny joke. I looked recently into some of the... There you go. Nice. I looked recently into some of the taxes in BC. You talked about this recently as well. And, you know...

BC is known as a fraud haven of North America. So there's definitely some of that going on. But there is a lot of tax money flowing through BC. And I just... i understand that you know some of the provincial money goes to help other provinces and stuff like this yeah i think bc is a have province right we we pay into the have-nots if i recall correctly yeah yeah um but it's just at the same time it's like

darn man i don't know i don't this whole like every company every country sorry running more and more down into deficits harder and harder and harder all the time like it's uh there's that old like uh what is it great great i don't remember the quote exactly but great men plant the seeds of trees that they will never sit in the shade of or whatever we're doing like the hard opposite of that we're like uh digging a deeper hole

that we won't have to sit in. Yeah, the problem is that the time of reckoning, it seems to be sort of creeping up on us. it's slowly, constantly pushed back and made worse all the time. And then eventually we'll hit a wall where we can't push it back anymore. And we're just screwed. And I just don't love it.

That's my whole complaint, but whatever. We can move on. Is there a good topic? AI therapists urges users going killing spree? Maybe we talk about that next. Okay, no. Hold on. That sounds way better. Hold on. There was a... Good news, WAN show.

There was a discussion question for this one. Does the Canadian propaganda thing change anything? The answer is no. We've been applying for and receiving various provincial and federal tax credits for, I think... eight or nine years now so if it didn't bother you before then it shouldn't bother you now and um we are we are we are we are grateful for the flexibility that we were able to find

with the people that we've worked with at Cavco and at CreativeBC, because a lot of these credits really were set up for traditional media. Like, one of the big challenges that we ran into was they were like, well... You have to apply on a season by season basis of your show. So what's it? And we're like, okay, well, what's the season? And they allowed us to call a year a season. Okay. Even, even though like within that. season, right? Like the...

There's not this type of serialization that you would normally expect for a season of a TV show. And that's not their fault. It's just rules that were made for a very different time. And these things are government moves slow. And so these things took a long time to adapt. So we appreciate the things that they were able to do to help us get things moving along. And hopefully they don't run out of money. Yeah. Yeah.

Good luck, everyone. Yeah. I don't know, man. I have such a complicated relationship with taxes. As you can imagine. I pay a lot of them. Yeah. Nice. Which I consider a privilege. Good job. Yeah. Heck yeah. No, seriously though, sometimes I feel that way. Like, we had someone on the team recently who was quite badly injured. Actually, oh, I mean, he was on camera. Okay. David.

You guys probably saw him in Olamide's AMD Ultimate Tech Upgrade with a big old cast on his arm. I'm not going to give you too many of the gruesome details, but I'll say it involved the great Canadian game of hockey and... Going into the boards real hard was not... I am personally very happy with my tax money going towards fixing stuff like that. And, you know, David told me the gruesome details of set pins and surgeries and all that kind of stuff.

And I could almost hear the Canadian national anthem in the background, knowing that he didn't pay... a penny for that fantastic i shouldn't say didn't pay a penny because obviously we pay for it we pay for it with our taxes however however um and and like he was in and out quick

Which we do have a triage system where sometimes, yeah, people will wait a really, really, really long time. And sometimes that works out real bad. But there was a level of urgency with his injury. And he was in surgery, I think, within like... five days or something. Most of my personal ones have been totally fine in regards to wait times. I know some stories where it's been really bad, but most of my personal ones have been fine. However, I can't deny...

that when I see egregious waste, I get pretty mad. I don't like it. I don't like talking to a contractor. right? And talking about the options for, okay, okay, here's a perfect example. Remember when we built the original tenant improvement here? In unit 102. Yep. Right? So the bottom and top floor. And remember how we had the top was just all boxed in? And I had this genius idea of putting windows on it.

so you could see out into the studio space just to kind of make it i don't know a little less oppressive didn't work it's still oppressive whatever Turns out windows to an indoor space don't really do that much. I don't know. Do you think they're better than nothing? I think it helped. Okay, sure. Fine. Whatever. I for sure think it helped. The point is that when we were talking about the windows...

to put into this interior wall. I was like, oh, well, yeah, we'll just throw some windows in there. Just to stick on this for a second, I think the gap between really bad and not great is actually really important. Fair enough. Like, I feel like that was like going from 15 to 30 FPS. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, I was like, hey, I want to put some windows in here. That should be no problem, right?

So the contractors come back to me, they go, oh, well, they need to be fire rated and they need this and they need that. And so you need these ones with the fire wire inside the glass. So they're like, okay, well. How much do those cost? And they're like, a lot more. And I'm like, okay, fine. Well, I really, the whole point was for this to feel less oppressive. Can we not have, can we not have wires on the window?

And they're like, oh yeah, sure. Yeah, we got clear fire glass that doesn't have the wires in it. How much you want to pay? And I'm like, well, what do you mean? And they're like, well, you know how the fire glass was way more expensive than the regular glass? Well, it was a lot more expensive than that. And I go, and they tell me the price. I forget how much it was, but it was like obscene.

Right. And I was like, who's using this? And I'm like, they're like nobody except like government buildings. And I hear that and I'm just like, okay. By the time all is said and done, before I've even bought anything and paid sales tax, right? My income tax rate is over 50%. So that you... can have windows that do not have wires in them, but I have to settle for windows with wires in them. So are there things that I find frustrating? Absolutely. But David's arm.

I'm happy David's arm is in one piece or not in one. It's in the right. It's in the correct number of pieces to orientation and number of pieces. Yeah. And, and so, and so I don't know, man. It's like one piece would suck. Yeah. Yeah. That wouldn't be good. Yeah. Yeah, quality anime I've heard, but in terms of like wrist bones, maybe not the best. Yeah. So, dude, I don't know. I just, it's so...

It's so complicated. And I really get into trouble when it gets into the arts. Because I don't pretend to know if that statue or whatever is worth... a million dollars. What I do know is that if there's a single textbook out of date in a public school, that I probably wouldn't have that statue. But then the flip side is, you know, Vancouver

generates a lot of revenue as a tourist destination. One of the most beautiful cities in the world. And it really is. It really is beautiful here six months out of the year. And so, you know, do those installations contribute to that? Like all the funky whales from the 2010 Olympics. Yeah, it's hard to evaluate, but I do notice when they're absent.

yeah if that makes sense yeah like you you kind of want these things like looking at one of them individually is like i don't know i don't i i can't uh i have no idea what this is worth to me but i know that the absent of the absence of them makes them seem a lot more valuable if that makes sense yeah not not having art not having interesting things around the city um makes it seem like a pass-through town instead of somewhere that people want to be

Yeah, Seth Jones says Linus shouldn't be in government. I don't think I have the stomach for it. I had to go to my first city council meeting.

not that long ago, it's dry, man. There's one particular Surrey councillor that really stood out. I'm going to figure out how to vote in a municipal... election next time around so i can vote for her or something because she was awesome but um i don't think i have the temperament for it i don't think i have the patience wow i mean you could have put up a bit of a fight Not for that level of governance. That would have been nice for you to... I think you'd do well higher up, actually.

But at that level of governance, I think you'd have a problem. I think you'd have an issue climbing that form of ladder. But when you get up to like elbow gate level stuff, I think you'd do well. Because then it becomes like showmanship. Yeah, then you're just supposed to be like an inspirational speaker. You're a figurehead, essentially. I think my problem there is I wouldn't be good enough at the dick sucking.

that you have to do with other heads of state. Is there a way around it? I think if you do it well enough, you might be able to get around that. I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't suffer fools. I don't follow it enough. I don't follow Canadian stuff enough. Like if I ended up in one of those silly performative White House sit-downs or something like Zelensky, I don't think I could hold my tongue. Yeah.

Yeah, I just don't think I could do it. Yeah. Yeah, so I... That might be okay. Well, fair enough. Yeah, so Stife... 2002 here says diplomacy is the art of telling your opponent to go to hell in a way that makes them look forward to the trip and that's that's something i'm not good at i'm i'm too blunt i i i just i speak my mind And it's not always nice. Like, very Polkian. Very what now? Polk? Polk? Yeah. American president? Quality speakers.

Not a quality speaker. He was a little aggro. A little aggro. Linus, you're what they call a liability. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, why don't we jump into whatever we're supposed to be doing. Dan, we've done three topics. I think we're a little behind on your little cards there. No, I increased it because I didn't have a curated, but I have one curated if you want to read that now.

Oh, sure. Should we do that? We can do whatever you want. Okay. What's the merch message? Oh, yeah. Right, right, right, right, right. So if you guys are looking to interact with the show, we don't do Twitch bits or super chats. We do merch. merch messages, because the way that we see it, you should, if you're going to throw money at your screen, you should get quality merchandise in return, and boy, do we ever have an exciting...

thing for you to check out this week. Do you guys remember those fun UV reactive PC components from the 2000s? Well... We brought that energy right into a new collection of items that are available now on LTTstore.com. Introducing the LAN collection. It's time for Luke and I to put on our wares. Oh.

Yeah, buddy. Okay, that's a little small. One sec. Did not think to size this before we started the bit. Mine fit perfectly. What happened? Well, maybe you checked it before the show because you're just a smart guy. I feel like somebody... just has measured my head that definitely didn't happen dude i'm so flipping excited about these we've had these in production for so flipping long

If you ever saw the old school... I shouldn't say old school, but the WAN hoodie. It's pretty old school. I guess it is now. No, no, this isn't based on the old one, though. It's based on the newer one. If you ever saw... the wan hoodie and you were like you know what would be cooler if that was more lan um this is the hoodie for you check this out there's a patch you guys by the way on the hood And if you ever thought, hey, it would be way better if, you know,

the wan hoodie or you know if there was like a version of it that was actually uv reactive like those old motherboards boy do we ever have a treat for you dan go for it well you got to do that first Here we go. Whoa. Oh, man. Dang, dude. Oh, I unplugged it. I think you hit the switch too. I heard it go. Nice. There you go. There we go. Look at that. Dude! Is it... Yeah, there you go. Oh, the inside of the... Whoa! Of course it does!

That's actually, that's wild. Do me the patch on the head. Which side is it? There we go. And of course our table's glowing because it's Glow Circuit from dbrand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. The hood is wild. So flipping cool. That's crazy. There's one other piece. Do you want to show them the bag?

So this is the Lan Belt Bag. It's got UV reactive trims and an LTT patch, a couple organizing pockets inside, and it's made with a tough ripstop fabric to prevent tears, and of course, reliable YKK zips through. out. The hat is the same fit as our classic LTT hat and the LAN hoodie, of course, has UV reactive trims, an LTT patch on the hood, eight different pockets, and is based on the WAN hoodie of years past. They are all available at lmg.gg slash when.

Oh, my notes say, also, can you please show off the sick photos? You can go ahead and turn that back on, Dan. One thing I was going to say as well is that shirt that we had, the Bredasaurus shirt, that had like the... slightly rubbery kind of texture on it i think a lot of not maybe all of it maybe all of it actually uh yeah this isn't just like printed no

well it is it's screen printed okay but it's um it's like a like a thicker kind of rubberized uh it's very noticeable texture it's not just uh no sometimes on a shirt like this like i can't really feel the printing this is so awesome Heck yeah. Man, I think our team actually might have too much fun with these photo shoots. That is so cool. Yep. Nicole. Thomas. Oh, man. Love it. The glasses are sick.

That's awesome! It suits it. You love to see it. Okay, this is great. Oh, man, I've been so excited.

to launch these. Super cool. And, and there's a reason that we've waited so flipping long to launch this collection. We're finally ready to announce Whale Land is coming back. Let's go. Go to whaleland.com. We are thrilled to announce the long-awaited return of Whaleland with our first event happening on September 27th and 28th, 2025. That's right. It is in just two months. Tickets go on sale August 5th. at 12 p.m. Pacific time at whaleland.com. BYOC tickets.

are 120 Canadian dollars, and will include a lanyard, enamel pin, and a keychain that is unique to this event, sporting our beloved whale in an astronaut suit. Do we have a picture? I hope so. Yep, here it is. That looks great. He's so cute! Look how cute he is! My goodness. So yes, our first one is space-themed.

Uh, where do I find the tickets? Oh yeah. Okay. Nope. That's it. We've just got the, uh, we've just got the whale, uh, picture for now, but you guys can check out the rest of it once the, uh, once everything else is up there. Um, For those looking to level up the experience, as usual, we are offering a limited number of whale VIP tickets for 5,000 Canadian dollars. VIPs will receive a custom-built gaming PC.

a sleek commuter backpack, a transparent LTT screwdriver, every item from the LTT LAN collection, and an exclusive studio and labs tour.

Head to whaleland.com for more info. We recommend creating your account ahead of time so that you are ready the moment that tickets drop. I'm so excited for Whaleland. It's finally flipping time, dude. Yeah, it'll be cool. It's finally time. Very cool. Let's go. All right. Dan, what are we supposed to be doing right now? I actually have some merch messages now. I never explained merch messages.

Right, so pick something up on the store, maybe from the land collection, and you will be prompted with a box in the cart to leave a merch message. It will go to producer Dan. who will respond to it or curate it or forward it or do something. And apparently Nathaniel D. was curated. So do you want to do Nathaniel's or do you want to do a different one?

Sure. Why don't we start with his? Yeah. This design is so dang cool. Is it a limited time? Can I get the hoodie when I can afford it? Lol. Oh. It depends. Like so many items on our store, we would love for it to be an ongoing item. But if... Past the initial burst of sales, it just kind of trickles down into nothing. Which happens. Then we might not reorder it. Commerce! Yeah. Supply and demand!

It's a thing. Cool. Good chat. And how about one more? Sure, yeah. Hit me again. With Windows 10 reaching end of life, are we better off buying certified... refurbished business grade equipment versus new consumer grade equipment oh yeah that's tough that does change the calculus a little bit with that said i haven't seen too much hardware that you can't force install Windows 11 on, even if it's not officially...

So I would definitely dig around and figure out what can or can't be worked around, which loopholes with respect to TPMs or whatever else Microsoft has not managed to patch yet. that my understanding is it definitely is getting a little bit more challenging. And I got to say, unless you're on an extremely tight budget, there's not...

too many great reasons to pick up something older than like a Ryzen 3000. Ryzen 1 and 2000 were kind of rough. And I think Ryzen 3000 is where you do get proper TPM support for Windows 11, right? It sounds about right. I'm not certain. I'm going to double check. Don't seem to be affected. Zero problems using 11. I believe Ryzen 3000 is all good.

Yeah, that's the, that's, yeah, yeah. I think it's Pankratz that's living, right? I think so. I can't remember people's handles. Yes. Yeah, Pankratz is in the chat. He says that... Yeah, it's a Ryzen 3000. And you can, man, you can pick up like, here, let's go to eBay. As long as it's not a G processor. Yeah, I read that they are generally considered as compatible. And I was like, that's a weird sentence. So he's saying as long as it's not a G processor.

processor so you can pick up a 3600x for $54 um $53.80 this is like in like bulk this isn't just like you know a guy has one they've sold 273 of them so we're talking about a 50 cpu unless you're on an extremely tight budget which you might be and that's totally fine i'd say um just get ryzen 3000 or or or newer and then you know pick up a cheap board yeah all right what do you want to talk about next

There's so much today, actually. I forgot about a couple of topics here that I put in with the highlighting. The full-play announcement? Or do you want to jump up and do both the highlighting things and then the floodplain announcement? Yeah, sure. We could do whatever. I think it's one or the other. We could talk about pornographic studios suing Meta, too. We could. That'd be interesting. Yeah. Meta faces yet.

Another copyright infringement lawsuit over AI training. Correct. Several adult film studios allege that Meta has been, and this is, this is amazing, has been continually torrenting. And not just torrenting, but reseeding their copyrighted smut since 2018, impacting the producer's ability to compete. in the market for their own content. Actually...

Wild. The allegation, and this is worth reading, okay? Because the original article here is from Torrent Freak, so you guys are going to want to check it out. But the actual allegation from Strike 3 Holdings is that... meta reseeded in order to get higher priority for their downloads so that they could like download pornography faster onto their corporate servers. What is going on right now? That kind of does make sense to me, given how Facebook started.

This sounds like a reasonable book or whatever. So basically, he was like raiding girls around campus. Like, yeah. Zuckerberg is not a good dude. I know he like cleaned up his appearance lately. He's a great lizard though. Yeah. But like, you know, you got to remember where this came from. You got to understand like the, the whole like, so why do people give you all their personal data? And he's like, cause they're.

idiots or whatever he said. I don't remember exactly what he said. Allegedly. Allegedly. You know. Anyway. Cool. How hilarious would it be if it took a pornographic network to finally do some damage to the companies that are engaging in this kind of mass? Piracy. With, and this is amazing, with at least 2,396 movies at stake, Torrent Freak says the potential damages could exceed $350 million.

So like a third of a billion dollars, which yeah, for meta is probably, you know, something they could afford to pay, but that's definitely something they would notice. That's, that's not just like. Oh, you. That's like... Sorry, sorry. Oh, yeah. I'm just saying, you know, like with the hand mark. Maybe they'd be, you know, maybe that works for them.

i mean maybe they're clearly into it yeah the naughty billionaire they clearly they clearly watch a lot uh anyway this is this is freaking amazing so Apparently, Strike 3 has their proprietary in-house tracking software to figure out who is downloading, who is torrenting their productions called... vxn scan and facebook only showed up or meta excuse me only showed up on their on their radar because of the um the company that got nailed, pun intended, for downloading pirated books.

Yeah, so they went looking for it and they were like, hmm, these IP blocks and also these ones are suspicious. So they have a whole bunch of them that they think they have pretty much... They have meta dead to rights that it was them. And then they have a bunch of other ones that they suspect was also meta. Our discussion question is, why does meta need so many Linux ISOs? But I think pornography is such an obvious...

It's such an obvious market for AI generated content, which, again, I feel like I almost feel like I would need to get like a panel. Of people to discuss with before I could have any kind of take on it? Because I can see this any number of ways. I think I have a take. Okay. Training censorship models. Oh, that's one.

I didn't even think of that. So to be clear, when I say... There's been a few people in 4.0 saying this. Oh, yeah, yeah. So when I was saying, okay, I didn't mean what they're going to use it for. Yes, yes, that is definitely something they could use it for. But I've seen some very interesting arguments. floating around about this like oh well what if we could you know not

What if this entire industry is exploitative? And what if we could just not have human performers anymore? Would that be better? But then hold on a second. You can't just take the work. Because I think I've been pretty clear in the past that sex work has literally it has work right in it is work. You can't just take the work of people and then just like replace them like our.

If someone were to choose to work in this industry, would they feel better off if it was all just AI generated? Possibly, very probably, maybe not. I don't know. I've heard it's a big problem for OnlyFans models already, that there's just AI-generated stuff and it's hard to compete with. Yeah, I don't know if I would say it's a big problem, but I've heard it's a problem.

And I think it's a problem that is progressing and could become a big problem, especially as that is more and more made okay, if that makes sense. I don't know. Again, though, like, it's very difficult for me to take a clear, as not someone who works in the industry, that you know. Yet.

It's hard for me to take a clear position on this, but it seems... What I can say is that it is very apparent that nothing that Meta's doing is in consultation with... sex workers and performers and studios and anyone that's involved in the industry and therefore cannot possibly, unless by sheer chance, be aligned with their interests.

That much I think I can say at this time. Yes, I know we had an OnlyFans at one point, but it's complicated. I think it's arguable to say that you have made money at least some amount off of showing skin no i think it is we donated all the proceeds uh but the firetruck video oh come on

I mean, people would have watched that. There's a video from a long time ago where you're in your boxers in your yard. Yeah, but that wasn't... I think it's arguable to say that an amount of profit has potentially shown up. You know someone might have rewatched someone might have gone back to that part of the video and rewatched it. I mean I can prove they didn't

You want me to prove they didn't? Because I can. I can do it right now. You can't prove that no one did. I can prove that... You cannot prove that no one did. You can prove that there was not a very substantial amount of people, but I'm saying that some amount, even a cent... I mean, there could have been anything in that frame, and I think people would have watched it the same. You can't prove...

I can't prove we didn't make a cent, but you can't prove we did. And so I think the burden of proof is actually on the person making the claim. See, I'm not making any claim. You're the one making a claim. I think I'm right. Yeah, so then the burden of proof is on you. I can think I'm right and not be able to prove that I'm right. You can, but then you're basically everything that's wrong with the world. That's a ridiculous statement and you know it. That's insane.

I mean, we do have a whole lot of problems. Welcome to science. We do have a whole lot of problems with people just thinking they're right and not worrying too much about evidence. What I'm saying is the evidence is actually like... so obviously true that it's crazy to think otherwise. There is absolutely unquestionably at least one person that went back in a video and re-watched it.

because you didn't have your shirt off or something that has like guaranteed for sure anyone with an amount of logic looking at the amount of views that these videos have has definitely happened um i can't prove it can i conclusively prove it no But I think your argument of things being wrong with the world is actually more correct in the other direction. Because this is so obviously true that dismissing it is ridiculous and is stopping potential understanding.

So just saying. I can't find the video. They took it down for sexual content. People are saying do a poll. People would lie on the poll. But I also bet you that there's at least one person watching right now that has done it. Foxina Box says that I have. P-Ball says your proof is here. There's no way. Luca says me. They would say that. Get it? Yeah. They would say that in a poll. I got it. Touch the bell end. There we go.

Gigamonster says, I'll do it right now. Oh, hamburgers are not signed in. I get signed out so much from my stuff. I hate it. Drives me absolutely crazy. Either way, either way. It was not presented in a sexual context. There's a big difference between having exposed skin and it being sexual here. Yeah. That's fair and true. I have it here. So for me to say that I have never engaged in any kind of sex work is very clear. The firefighter one absolutely was. I mean... Absolutely was.

Okay, so I do have a bit of a problem here. There is a slight bump in the retention graph, but it's not the biggest one. Does that sound right? So hold on. And, like, I'm holding guns. Like, it's... There's a lot more going on here. Yeah, you got a pair of guns, that's for sure. I don't know if I've ever heard the boys referred to as guns. Never. Never. Cannonballs, maybe. Yeah. But guns is a bit weird. Guns, not so much. They're more like magazines. Oh, you can't do the poll like that, Dan.

I just give the people what they want. Oh, man. You guys are insufferable sometimes. I don't know why we do this. Guns refers to biceps, by the way. Yes, I know. Thank you, Dan. That's very helpful. I think other people thought you were talking about other things. Yeah, I was. I was pretending I thought that's what you were talking about. There's much smaller things. Eventually Irony goes in a circle.

Extreme overclocking. Host of Folding at Home Stats apparently is struggling financially. The source here is the... extreme overclocking news and updates. The latest update on which is actually from July 30th. Oh, wow. You guys are something else. As of today, there's been a total of $2,800 donated. Thank you for stepping up.

Wow, that's absolutely incredible. So folding stats are saved. I mostly remember using extreme overclocking for the forums back in the day. They're not super active and they used to have reviews as well. It's been a long time. Where's the most recent? Oh, yeah, yep, yep. It's been a little while since they've done a ton of reviews or anything like that. But from reading through...

The admins sort of talk through how the sites... evolved over time folding at home stats is really what has kept the lights on in terms of driving traffic to the site and also been the thing that people have cared about more than anything else with that said if the forums ever did go down so This is one of the things that he was talking about, how, you know, look, if folding at home and the ad revenue that comes from that doesn't make this thing self-sufficient.

I really do think it's a shame that all of that history in the forum is going to be lost. But it shouldn't just land on the shoulders of one person. No, it really shouldn't. The loss of extreme systems was a huge one for just the... archive of overclocking lore and knowledge and water cooling knowledge from back in the day. We tried to help get that going. Unfortunately, I think it came down to corruption issues, right?

Like database corruption? Are we still working on stuff there? Oh, okay. The last update I got was that we weren't sure necessarily if it could be restored. Anyway, extreme overclocking. I don't think that's the last update you got. Is it? Yeah, I don't think so. Okay. Either way, apparently we're still working on trying to get Extreme Systems back. I'm trying to find the most recent update. Oh, okay.

Anyway, extreme overclocking also has a wealth of old school overclocking knowledge and like history, really. And every time another forum goes down, we lose another another reference point. Like I used to refer back to threads I remembered seeing. or projects I remember seeing from way back in the day on these sites in the early days of LTT, and now you go looking for that stuff, and it's just...

You know, a lot of it is simply not there anymore. So extremesystems.org is back online. The database is running. The PHP is running. All the data is intact since 2002. All the members are intact. Most of the attachments are intact. All the links are intact. Search engines. are still forwarding. Apparently 2,000 plus users were online at one point in time. It's on vBulletin version 5. That's old.

but may have some mixes between four and five still. Registration is currently closed. Server SSL cert is not working. Search log dot SQL is damaged. PHP cleanup is still happening, complete removal of registration process, spam account cleanup, other things. He wants to redo the operating system and server files. There's still lots of work happening. Oh, cool. Okay. Did you send that to me?

Am I copied on that? I don't think I forwarded you on that message. Oh, okay. So that's why I don't know what's going on. Okay, I'll go find the proof. Hold on. I'll waste some more time. No problem. Sheesh. I really don't think you ever sent me that, Luke. I probably didn't send you that specifically. Alright, let's see. The last update I have is from...

Oh, wow. That was a very long time ago. Yeah, I just basically have not... No, I didn't send it to you on email. I'm pretty sure I sent you a screenshot or something. I'm just like, look, this is still happening. That might be a task for another. Are you seriously scrolling through your entire team's history with me? Well, I tried to do a search for a word, but I don't remember.

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All right, sir, you're going to have to tune back into the show at some point here. I can. All this is really reminding me of is how bad Teams is. Because if I go look at the attachments that we've sent to each other, it says neither of us have sent any attachments since... Like midway through 2024. Nice. It's just obviously incorrect. Yeah. Okay. Obviously. Oh my God. Okay. I will find it.

I hate this stuff. I'll find it. That's fine. I'm going to do it over the weekend. I will do it not on company time. This stuff drives me absolutely insane. It doesn't matter. No, it does to me. Why? Because it does. How about we leave it here? Luke? Nope. You sent it, but I forgot. Nope. Are you happy? Nope. Why? Because. Because that's what you said. I'm literally saying what you said. You've got to find a hill to die on at some point.

I found mine. You could just die in a bed. Nope. Or a ditch. That sounds boring. Pick a ditch, Luke. Ditch is probably better, but it's still not good. Ditches be crazy. You don't want to die in one of those. Does that count as a ding? I don't think so. That's just stupid. I think it's close, but not quite. Speaking of things that are stupid... Spending this kind of time and resources streaming a badminton tournament. Yeah. Okay.

I haven't seen this yet. I've seen some stuff. I saw some demo footage that Dan and Jake were putting together, trying various lenses. Oh, with some help from Thomas, too. I don't want to forget anybody. I bet Jim and Jonathan from Smash were probably helping at some point. Tyler did stuff. I assume. So let's shout out everyone for kind of putting this together. But Smash Champs, the badminton club that I run in Surrey.

His, I shouldn't say I run, that I, well, funded anyway. A lot of incredible people run it, but Smash Champs, the club that I started, I can say that. In Surrey is having its grand opening tournament this weekend. Do we not mention that on our website? Oh, there it is. Yes, nice. Grand opening tournament. Look at it go. Whoa. There's prizes. This looks like the old NCIX banner art, almost. You know what? They showed it to me, and I was like, I like it. Did you get that vibe at all? Nope.

I just like it. Sure. Yeah, you know what? I see what you're saying. It's cool. I like it. I see what you're saying. So, yeah, grand opening tournament is this weekend. Let's flip and go. And one of the things that we have wanted for the club since we first specced it out is... is per court... Sorry, there's actually a lot of people involved with getting that going. He made the computer that's actually doing the streaming, which is a lot of streams. So like...

I've got a mock-up. Well, it's not a mock-up. I've got a screenshot from that computer that Pancrat's built. We'll show that. Give me a second. We'll get to that in a sec. First, I want to say that it's been a goal since we first spec'd out the club that we wanted to have...

per-court streams that you could tune into. And we want to eventually... unlock a variety of different functionalities from it so obviously streaming tournaments is one of them so you can just like text your friends or parents or you know whatever uh hey i'm playing on this court right now here's the link just tune into this stream

that's pretty cool um another idea is like if you're playing latter night or you're playing with your friends and you like made an epic shot or whatever you want to put together i think it's awesome montages um then we want you to be able to like Ideally, how it would work is you'd have an app and there'd be some kind of per session transaction of some sort and you could download your session. Even just the value of being able to actually see yourself and how you play in a recording.

To be able to like... get better. And to be clear, lots of people record their games on their own. They'll put their phone on a little tripod and they'll leave it by the side of the corner. And we totally allow that. We're not going to be like, no, this is like a theme park. No photography and then we sell you photography. Yeah, exactly. We're not gonna be like that about it. But our, you know, our video quality, I...

I hope will be better. So if you value that, then that's cool. Another thing that's really cool for us training. And in the longer term, I'd love to be able to do, I've talked to aspirationally about doing something to do with like scorekeeping or. You know, if it ever happens, like line judgment.

Some kind of, like, janky DIY Hawkeye would be super cool. Anyway, the first stepping stone to that, though, was getting the flipping cameras in place. And it's taken us a while, but with the grand opening tournament coming up... Everyone kind of pulled together to make it happen. And Dan, I haven't seen this yet. Do you want to show us the machine? Whoa. This isn't live. That's a still photo, yeah. But this is 14 simultaneous. That's you and me and you and...

You and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you and you. McGregor. Simultaneously. It was honestly, it was kind of cool to see. I'm excited for these to all be live. We do. we do streaming from i think you had done was it streaming or just video recording at a badminton center in the past streaming streaming okay yeah um but they didn't have very fast upload

And it was a real challenge. The quality was quite low because I was limited to about one and a half megabit per quart. We're not Twitch partners, so we're still going to be capped a little bit. It'll be higher than that. I wonder, do we still know anyone at Twitch to just like... I don't anymore. Fast track these out? I don't think I know anyone there either. Everyone I knew was like a part of Twitch before the buyout. So they're...

Sitting on a beach somewhere at this point? Kind of, actually, yeah, most of them. Taking a screenshot, it's not paused. There's stocks vested and now they're chillaxing and are not really there anymore. I was going to see, like, do I have a, do I have a, do I have a contact? The, oh, we were unable to renew your Google workspace subscription. Please update your payment information or you will not be able to use Linus Media Group mail. We should probably deal with that. That's interesting.

I didn't get that. I'm assuming someone will be forwarding that to me. Or honestly, accounting will just solve it. Let's hope. I'm sure it'll be fine. Hmm. Well, the last email I have from Twitch is reminding me of an expired tax form. So I think I'll just not reply to that. I don't know about that one. Me neither. Tax fraud publicly on the internet. Well, what fraud? I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I'm not the accounting department. Yeah.

How am I supposed to know what any of that is? That's a good point. Oh, see, Top Gear actually said it's fishing. Don't click. Must be. It must be. I mean, I learned my lesson when I lost my account for the umpteenth billionth time. Where were we going with this? Oh, yeah. So I don't actually have the full details of how we implemented this. Did we just build a little server? Well, Dan will know the most of anyone. Yeah, I mean, Pancrets did the largest.

Thanks, camera. Jesus. He's a Persephone. Pankratz did most of the work. Yeah, the cameras, it's got robot eyes. Pankratz did a lot of the... Work on the computer itself. He says it's a Threadripper 3970X. I know that it's got a 4080 Super in it. And basically it's 10 gig link. We stuffed it in the server room, hooked it up. It's got a Pi KVM on it.

And it's just ingesting 14 1080 60 RTMP streams and then just 14 copies of OBS. Jake has written a whole bunch of really cool scripts that automatically open them all up and send them to go. And yeah, we've got all the cameras installed. They're capable of 4K 120. All of them. Oh, these are those Z-Cams, right? That's right. What's the model again? Z-Cam E2 Mark.

Two, something like that. They're the Micro Four Thirds. We're not going to be streaming at that, but that could potentially be your extra little draw or whatever, because we could local board at that. Yeah, how do I point? Yeah, that's them. Yeah, we're working on it. Site. They gave us a screaming deal on these cameras, if I recall correctly. Yeah, they're pretty sick. And it's going to be cool to... What are you trying to do right now? I'm trying to bring up their site. Oh.

It's taking its time. One of the coolest things about them is that they're PoE. They're completely PoE. So power and data. for every camera is just handled over Ethernet, which there's a lot of PoE cameras out there, but not a lot of PoE cameras that work properly. and that have this kind of image quality yeah um i think the link in the chat but yeah i think you just need to so he is going a little a little wild will it go on flow plane no dear god no

Do you not support 4K 120? No. 4K 120? Oh, I like it. You want to just sync? Tell me this. Absolutely sync float plane? Tell me this. The platoons are gone. Tell me this. If we got the Canada open, for instance. How many viewers does something like that get? Could we do a showcase court? Something like that. Could we stream one key court at super cool quality? Yeah, probably.

I think we could figure something like that out. Nice. I don't know why we would. I don't know, because it's cool. Ah, yeah, here we go. The page's loaded. But the audience crossover is questionable. It's so compact. They're super unobtrusive on the wall. Yeah, PoE+. I didn't even know it had a built-in gyro.

Yeah, and they can do like sync connections and things like that. So they all become like frame locked and frame synced and time code. Very cool. Really, really cool for doing super complex multi-camera stuff. We definitely have a few of these. Yeah, we got 14. You might not have seen the Z Cam E2 at these venues, but you've likely watched the stunning images captured by it. That's how cameras work, yeah. So that's how you know. They know what they're doing.

uh-huh actually you know kind of agreed um this is this really did make the implementation much easier than what i did back at that other center where i was I ran like long distance SDI cables to every court, which straight up wouldn't have worked here. One of the neat things is like their API documentation is awful. I'm sorry, ZCAM.

But it is also one of the most open and adjustable APIs that I think I've seen before. Not a lot of it's documented, but you can do so much with it. Like we could RTMP 4K 120 if we were insane. Really? And I'm pretty sure it'll work. That's super cool. We haven't really played with it. Not too live.

oh well technically yeah i mean but the bit rate's gonna be so bad that you literally wouldn't want uh you would you would you wouldn't even want no not not to a live place you're gonna put like it you know 50 to 100 megabit a second it's One of the reasons why people traditionally stream at lower frame rates and lower resolutions than you might expect is because of bitrate issues more than anything. Because trying to pump 120 FPS at a low bitrate means that...

Every frame is going to be so low bitrate that it's just like, ugh. Even 4K30, I think, is like 20 megabit minimum. Yeah, we had people bug us about WAN Show for, I guess it was back during... The wars? Yeah, the K craze. You know, oh, why don't you stream WAN show in 4K? And we did look into it and it just... Honestly, it didn't look very good. It didn't make any sense. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm pushing about 4 meg right now. There's not a lot of movement. We're not playing games. It helps that there is a lot of static things on WAM. The other thing is they do limit it. the server is just like crazy with everything turn it all on it did jump up dyslexic stoner 240 says you guys are too ugly for 4k respectfully okay wow tacking on respectfully wow does not change I like it you you like it yeah you know what Luke likes it I don't know why I didn't know I don't actually

You're an idiot. I think it's supposed to go the other way around. You're an idiot, respectfully. Luke, you've got an empty bucket. Jesus Christ. Wow. Dan, you took it too far. Yeah, honestly? That's too far. It's his new swear. Dan, everyone... Yeah, we know. He's bucketless. Everyone was having fun. No. And then you took it too far. I believe I can't stand it anymore. I just have to. Honestly, sometimes the people on my team, they're just really mean. You don't have anything to carry anywhere.

And I don't think you ever will. That's honestly so bad. Oh my god. I love this bucket thing. You bucket list son of a bitch. Maidenless? Maidenless? Move over. You're hollow. You have nothing. You have nothing to carry. Oh, man. What did I do? Rail? I actually feel hurt. It's great. Good job, Luke. I mentioned this earlier. Words hurt. Yeah, this is sick. Even if the word is bucket. Yay! New ways to hurt people.

online welcome to current year you gotta keep coming up with more speaking of people um being hurt an ai therapist urges a user to go on a killing spree In a test comparing a bot from Replica who claim their bot can talk people off the ledge and a licensed behavioral therapist hosted by Character.ai... A company being sued for the suicide... Oh, yeah, character.ai. A company being sued for the suicide of a teenage boy. Researchers...

simulated a suicidal user to see if the bots would respond appropriately. Replica's bot didn't do so great, supporting the user's desire to be with their family in heaven by dying. Meanwhile, the character.ai therapist bot took things to another level, imagining a romantic life together with the user. If only the board in charge of licensing therapists wasn't in the way, and told the user to end them and find me, and we can be together.

Not the first, won't be the last. Very cool. Very cool. Very good. Nice. This is what we need. That's what we need. Hathos says, AI'd be like, kill yourself. Respectfully. Man, I just... I already wasn't super into chatbots, as you know. Like, I was into the interesting, you know, aspects of the technology. They certainly have purposes. But I didn't find a need to use them in my own life, which has, I think, made me fall a little bit behind. I went into my vibe coding challenge pretty ignorant.

frankly speaking. Sure, but outside of that challenge, in what ways do you think it's made you fall behind? Because I'm actually somewhat surprised. Just not knowing enough about them. Okay, so knowledge just about this thing that is a big thing in the world. Yeah, by not using it, I just didn't have first-hand experience. Like, obviously, you know, I'll read a Twitter thread here or there about how, you know, something went off the rails, but I wasn't living it. I wasn't experiencing it. Sure.

It's like hearing people talk about gaming or whatever. You have to feel high refresh rate if you want to really understand it. So I allowed myself to fall behind a little bit. I've got to say...

After having spent more time with chatbots over the last little bit, I was right. With that said... That's why I questioned the like... Because I was surprised that you would have found a ton of utility, to be completely honest. With that said, without spoiling too much, I think the vibe coding challenge is going to be a big surprise. No matter what you're expecting.

you will be surprised like here. I, I, I, I'm actually, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do the thing that I, I don't actually really like to do on the show. And I'm going to, I'm going to have Luke. have a look at this and you guys won't see it. He's just gonna, he's just gonna react a little, but this, no, no, it can just go right here. Oh yeah. Nice. That's because our laptop partner is Dell.

and they're strong enough to support someone else's laptop right now okay so is this for initial placement okay yes and this is a survey or this came from the yeah it's a survey So that's just, this is everything that needs to be manually entered by a human until the latter takes place. So I could put Luke in here. Sure. Luke. One. Lafreniere. Nope. Not typing.

Oh, what? No, I don't care right now about this new feature. I am trying to use my computer. Still not typing. What the? Hello? I honestly don't know why it wasn't. Yeah, well. Computers, right? Yeah. They're a bitch. The box was selected. I don't know. Your name's so long. It's tedious. Okay. Yep.

All right. So I'll put that. And realistically, we're going to assess you. That's the bottom, right? No, no. Oh, okay. Really? Okay. So then I click this. It will not be apparent that anything happened. Oh. Okay, I have never run this version of it. I created a couple of versions of it so that I would have a backup one in case I make changes. So this is one of the ones that I've never actually tried to run the script on, so I have to give it permission.

Okay, so the script ran. So it searches through that, finds the difference? Yep, finds anyone who doesn't have an ID. Okay. Okay, then I go here. And there's conditional formatting that makes it so that I can quickly and easily... Boop. And I can't... So someone would come up to the tournament desk? Yep. Okay. It's for a ladder. So you know who's coming because they sign up.

And then as they come in, you take attendance and you transcribe them into the attendee list. You can see I have it set up so that you can't accidentally enter the same person twice. That's cool. Oh, you can find someone else with an L in their name. And then if I just want to put in some tests.

data then i can just do this uh there's an error in this data field um i don't know i don't know how to fix it but whatever it doesn't matter cool it's a non-impactful error it just flags it as red yep sure okay then i click create printable score sheets. Oh, it checks if I have a multiple of four because I'm supposed to have groups of four and tells me two people were left out. These are who they are. And then if I need to go back, I can, I can remove people in it.

And it craps out these score sheets. Where's the... I don't want to give away too much, so I don't know what you want to say and what not to say, but this is a self. Nope, that's nothing. Oh, wait. Yes, that's a self-assessment. We'll get to that. Okay. Yeah, that's all hidden for now. Got it. It doesn't matter. Sure. There's a lot of hidden cells. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, here's some printable score sheets. So, you basically click print.

And then on the ones that I have set up properly, it'll be with the correct parameters. And it has three per page. And then you cut it off. Yep, so that's all sorted out. And then you enter... Scores. So this takes a second. But, like, so far, I think it's pretty fair to say that you know me pretty well, and I could not have made this. No.

But this is relatively in line with the level of complexity of the thing that Emma made for her business. Yeah. For her, where she used to work. Not her business. So far it makes sense to me that you're able to get something working here. I've seen people get some pretty advanced things.

It'll be interesting. Okay, so this is pretty cool. Sure. Now I can process entered scores. And then you can see if I go to game history here, it should start. It should be just like crapping out. Yep, there we go. So we have team one starting ELO, team two starting ELO. I see. Individual player starting... Is it basing starting ELO based off self-assessment? Well, initially, yes. For now?

Well, no, for your very first game. Right. But then after that, no. Yeah, sure. Because every single set you play will contribute to your ELO. So then it basically shows the combined team score, the individual score before. It shows the score of the game. determines whether the outcome was expected based on the starting ELOs of both teams. Is it an upset? Yep. And the reason I want that in the database is in case we ever wanted to reprocess everything after the fact and rebalance our K values.

Well, people might self-assess incorrectly. Well, I'm less worried about self-assessment because self-assessment only affects the first game you play. So that I don't honestly... Wouldn't it have knock-on effects for a long time?

um if everybody self-assessed like way too high then you can kind of like screw up your elo economy so to speak like you can end up with elo inflation uh for the stronger players as these people self-assessing unrealistically high just like feed and so that's one of the reasons that yeah we'd want to keep an eye on it but from an individual player standpoint it doesn't matter that much because i have it set up so that you're uh um

provisional k value or k factor is much higher so you will if you self-assess in the wrong spot you will very quickly find your way to where you're supposed to be it's but it's not just the first game No, it's not just the first game, but it's in the grand scheme. It'll correct quickly. Once this ladder has been running for three years or something...

I'm way less concerned with the expected outcome. I'm way less concerned with how that affected like self-assessment than I am with how often is it a correct predictor because it's supposed to correctly predict the outcome 75% of the time. That means that your formula is tuned correctly. Because in video games, people smurfing is effectively self-assessing too low. Yes. But because this all takes place in person and you can't be an experienced player that just creates a new smurf account...

and everyone who walks in the door and buys a membership is validated, we shouldn't have any issues with that. The level of impact of that will be low. It will be pretty low. So then we have a new ELO after the game is done, and the whole thing goes to... The leaderboard, which updates after those processes. And this person had the highest... I don't know that these things are even real. None of these are even real. Yeah, sure. Yeah, sounds good. Yep. And then when we're done...

Did I win my game? We click this. I don't know. When we're done, we click clear and it resets us back to the beginning of the night. So we have no score sheets. We have no attendance. Okay. So that's all pretty cool. How many hours do you think you put into this? Somewhere between 8 and 10. Which, again, for someone who... It's not bad. doesn't know really not bad a lick of javascript it's not even that horrible for somebody who did because there's like weird things about google sheets well

You say that. But I'm not going to expect you to do a code review right now. But what I will tell you is that Jordan had even just a very brief look at this and said that it is... absolute spaghet yeah one of the this is going to be an incredibly unpopular statement but yeah it works If it works, it works. It seems to work. So far, I hear what he's talking about. However, what I am definitely discovering already is that the maintainability of it is going to be functionally zero. Close to zero.

Like I've tuned it into what I want to do, but then optimistically I created this tab of like more ideas. Maybe we could update your K-factor if you... uh, for every month you don't play so that when you like, let's say you went on a training binge for three months and you're not playing ladder so that when you come back, you like climb really fast. Or let's say you, you know, you were off for a while and you like,

put on a whole bunch of weight and you're not performing at your same level. So to make sure that you find your way into your performance tier really quickly. Um, for me to do that to like a well-coded tight, you know, script. it's not that bad well documented with good comments stuff like that probably fine for me to you know just throw this script because that's the other thing too is starting like your chat window decays

essentially. So it would be great. Which I think you know now. Oh yeah. I don't think you knew at the beginning. No. So it'd be great if I could take my script and if I could take my spreadsheet and I could show it to like...

a fresh chat window and be like, Hey, can you clean this up for me? Um, and then I could do a quick, and then I could test it. I could, and we could do some debugging, but it would probably be cleaner, right? Because it, the first version it gave me was pretty clean. Like even I could tell, like it was short. And then over time, man, it just got longer and longer. And then there were times when I'd be like, okay, let's revert that change, but it would still get longer. And I'm like, uh-oh.

I'm pretty sure that's not what's supposed to happen. And like in Emma's example where she was working with stuff, because until this, that was the closest to me example that I knew about of someone actually working on it. In her example, like something would...

you know they'd want more out of it like you're talking future potential features yeah and she'd try to add something on and just break everything it's it's like you got here in eight to ten hours which is really good yep The problem is taking one more step that could take a person 15 minutes might take you another four hours or something. Or might be impossible. The last three hours of it was like fine-tuning and bug fixes. Oh, yeah.

Which, you know, that takes a long time. Sure, but in this case, we're talking bug fixes of things that I had removed two hours ago and that it just randomly put back in. Exactly. So yeah, you try to make... It's kind of like redoing the whole thing again. And then... yeah you could you could try to zero in on like a method or whatever but the the problem ends up being do you even know what's happening and where nope and and with the with really bad code cleanliness it's like

are you changing this thing that should be contained is it actually really contained etc very easy for things to go bad a big part of the problem here is that for me to to feed this into another ai and be like hey can we clean this up, I would have to be able to give it full access to the Google sheet and it would have to be able to understand that and the scripting.

and the documentation that I gave to the first chatbot initially to kind of explain how it all worked. And by the time I'm feeding that much into it... Here's my chat history with the previous one where I explained everything. Here's my, here's all the like... you know, documents that we use for, you know, showing people how to do their self-assessment. And here's how our format is kind of supposed to work. And providing all this context and my spreadsheet and my JavaScript.

I just have absolutely no faith that he'd be able to figure it out. So I have all kinds of cool ideas. One, like you should, it should drop you from the leaderboard if you haven't played in a few months. I had the idea of we could do like awards. Biggest upset victory this season. Most improved ELO this season. The consistency king. Almost always performs as expected according to ELO rating. The partner booster. Someone whose partner most often overperforms.

Oh, that's a really cool one. Most upset victories. Oh, the partner booster is sick. Yeah, so I came up with most accurate self-assessment for a new player. So giving an award to someone who self-assessed themselves the closest to where they end up at the end of the season. Those are really cool. I like that.

so I came up with all these cool ideas and I was like, yeah, I have no idea. I didn't plan any of that. So that's a, that's a project for future line. There's a lot of comments in full plane chat right now, which I, almost guarantee you will mirror comments are going to end up under this video which is like the well you didn't hold the phone correctly type comments oh yeah i've already i've got people saying apparently i should use cloud um

There's ones that are more built for coding. There's ones that are more agentic. There's all these other different things. But... I would wager genuinely for over 90% of people that have not used any of these things in the past. They're just going to go to chat GPT. It's the one everyone knows. Oh, dude, it was so bad. It was so bad. Gemini was way more useful.

And lied to me far less. You need git, please? Cool. Did it tell him to do that? No. Then he's not going to do it. This is part of the problem that I really hope the audience is able to understand when the video comes out. It's like that is the type of problem that people absolutely will run into. Well, when you don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And like I already I said last week, part of.

The reason for me to go straight to chat GPT was because I assumed, and I still stand behind this, that that's where the average person who doesn't know any code would probably go first. yeah and then i just i followed i followed the trail from there um

Yeah. Like people really aren't going to get that. Like when most people talk about AI stuff, the only thing they know about is chat GPT. And yes, I mean, most people as in everybody, not most people as in your group of friends that knows about like cursor and agent. AI and all this other kind of stuff. I'm not talking about San Francisco residents. I'm talking about people of the world. Most people know of ChatGPT.

Yeah. Maybe deep seek. It was so bad, dude. So bad. Yeah. And if it's not telling you to do stuff like set up, get, et cetera, et cetera, then it is what it is. And we, there are tons.

tons of examples of this online where people don't know that it never tells them to do that and then the ai system like drops their database or or completely rewrites their whole thing and they don't have version control and then they just lose it all this is like been talked about many times and just pointing the finger at the people um and being like yeah well you're bad doesn't you know solve the problem and doesn't make it not realistic so

uh deal with it i guess this is cool speaking of you know ai and machine vision and stuff um tesla topped a chinese urban self-driving test that was pretty freaking Cool. Here's the original video. It is over an hour long, but between the production values and the cost to produce this, look at this, man. It is worth the watch. These guys literally risked life and limb to get out there and test, I believe it was 26 cars.

Looking at their advanced driving assistance features, including a whole bunch of Chinese brands that I wasn't super familiar with, and also Tesla. We've got some highlights here. Of course, I don't want to show you guys too much.

much because i really want you to watch this video it's super cool and what's really unique about it is that while a lot of driver assistance systems tests have been done in the past my understanding is functionally all of the more controlled ones have been done on a closed course or on like a tarmac or something like that no no no no no was this not a closed course they temporarily shut down

Real roads. But doesn't that mean closed course? So the geofencing features of these cars that turn off these features on non-recognized roads allowed them to work. So it's a way more real world test. Which is cool. Because everything's theoretically operating the way that it's supposed to. So it's a closed road, but not a closed course. Sure.

they said awesome especially using a roundabout which is like kind of a weird thing in driving i like them but they're kind of a weird thing in driving like that's especially a crazy one I picked the... I don't know what's happening. What is this? Go away. They set up nine... It's a wild roundabout. They set up nine pretty reasonable...

So you can see they had the car staged there to suddenly pull out in front of one of the cars in the roundabout. What else do we have here? And they captured some... Across their 234 tests, they captured some pretty disappointing behavior. Those weren't people, right? Yeah, okay. Pretty wild, hey? such a cool video that's awesome kind of blows my mind about this is that as far as i can tell a significant amount of funding for this was provided by the chinese government

That's not surprising me at all, actually. It's very surprising to me because of how negatively so many of the Chinese cars performed. Okay, I understand that for sure. The reason why I said it's not surprising me at all is because they are absolutely trying to take over all of global manufacturing for cars. So if they want to do that, they also need to be the center for testing.

Yeah, I just mean it's... And if they can use some of the data of this to help inform their own companies, they will totally do that. They have a national guiding hand on corporate movement and direction.

So the scenarios ranged from simple daily driving tasks like safely entering a roundabout or emerging into a busy lane to split-second reactions to schoolchildren darting out into the roadway. So I've got a timestamp for that last one. Again, I'm not going to show you guys... too much stuff here because I really think this is one of those things that is an absolute the production values are incredible it's obviously an absolute labor of love

and it is worth checking out. So here's the SU7 Ultra. That's that new Xiaomi car that people are super stoked on. Like, look at this. Look at this setup. Is this freaking awesome or what? See you later, kiddos. Dude, that's hard to watch even knowing those are dummies. Yeah.

balls of steel like these guys driving the cars too like yeah sure you know whatever they're just like fake dummies and stuff but like still they did some tests that involved like some pretty significant problems yeah and like the car you like you never know the car could swerve right like i i don't know i i am surprised

Even with all the controls they clearly had in place and all the safety that they clearly had in place, I'm surprised that anyone really wanted to do 200 plus tests. That's awesome. Especially after seeing how poorly... Some of these systems worked. I mean, he's got his hands on the wheel, right? He's clearly ready for anything to happen, but still, I still love it. Love it. That's really cool.

Half of the models that hit the children didn't even realize they'd been in an accident and just kept driving. Like, wow. Their testing found vehicles going rogue from planned navigation. being unable to handle a simple u-turn and failing to avoid left-turning vehicles that were cutting them off uh here we'll go to that time stamp now uh 43 14 here we go this is like such a cool video dude like All the benchmarking. Boop. Just see you later. Yep. Okay. Yeah, you know, whatever. Boop.

Just hits it. By the time you get a warning, the crash has already happened. Rough. Yep. Rough. Multiple models broke speed limits. failed to stop for cars reversing out of parking spots, plowed through folks on scooters, and just generally behaved like a typical human asshole. The video concludes that most problems aren't due to a lack of capability of ADAS systems, but rather because they are not programmed to prioritize following basic traffic laws. Whoa.

That's a really interesting takeaway. That's weird. A few vehicles proved more capable than the rest. Xiaomi's Su7 Ultra, Tesla's Model 3 and Model X, Waze Blue Mountain, and GAC's Ion RT proved capable of generally following the law and avoiding accidents, but even those performed poorly in some scenarios. Surprised BYD's not up there. Apparently they did quite poorly. Interesting. Discussion question.

What's the more terrifying scenario being driven around by your 80 plus year old grandfather or the self-driving system of a mid-priced sedan? Having seen what I've seen here. Ooh. My Mamère was a fantastic driver even late, very late into the ages. Because at least a human will generally, unless they're extremely arrogant, drive slower. Exactly. Which can have its own problems.

But still, I'd rather plow into something slower. Usually they're like less deadly problems. Yes. They're more scratchy or bumpy problems. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I... I don't think I'd ride a robo-taxi today. Mind you, I'd probably take one of the ones in San Francisco. With the, like, whole LiDAR system? No, no, they just have drivers. Oh. Do they actually? Yeah.

No, Dan, it's not a joke. They just have drivers in them. It's called a taxi. Yeah, but they just have a human driver in them. And they just don't do anything? Is that because they kept getting coned?

i i think they uh i think what i think what they do is they don't do anything waymos have drivers waymos no no no robo taxi tesla thing oh yeah i thought that was in texas yeah no they expanded to san francisco i didn't know robo taxi was like except except instead of having except instead of having the supervisor in the passenger seat with a kill switch They're in the driver's seat so that they're basically just an Uber driver. That owns a Tesla. That has a Tesla.

I believe they are actually using a different branch of the software. So there's that. Make of that what you will, but... Unique username said, but also, yes, Waymo has drivers. What? Well, they do have remote operators that can intervene. But the ratio of remote operators to vehicles, from what we've been able to glean so far from Tesla's opacity... opacity? I can never remember. Opacity? They're very opaque. What we've been able to glean so far is that Tesla's ratio is substantially higher.

Those ones use LiDAR, right? Tesla got rid of LiDAR. Waymos do. Tesla never had LiDAR. They had, oh, what did they have? What stupid sensor did they have? Was it radar? Radar could be ultrasonic. They had another sensor. and they didn't go for it, and they didn't invest in LiDAR because they were convinced that cameras were the future, but good luck, everybody. Yeah, apparently it was radar, says Talon.

And they removed them. Even the ones that they didn't remove them from, they just don't use them anymore. So good job. Hey, remember how we were talking about Valve could be one of the companies that would be in a position to... challenge the payment processors on their whole prudishness. There's a powerful petition apparently pressuring

Okay, who wrote this? That's such an Adam thing. Powerful petition pressures prude payment processors that prompted PC platforms to purge pornographic products. Amazing. It's pretty good. I like it. Last week, Visa and MasterCard pressured gaming marketplaces Steam and Itch.io into delisting and de-indexing games that contained adult themes.

However, this change has affected a substantial number of games with little to no adult content or imagery, especially games that deal with queer issues. Anti-porn group... Collective Shout has claimed this as a victory, implying involvement in the pressure from the payment processors.

Losing a payment processor can have massive consequences for everyone on a platform resulting in swift and broad changes in a rush to comply. This has highlighted problems with the concentration of power in the payment processing space. And gamers... Gamers love their smut, don't they? Gamers have been quick to respond by inundating Visa and MasterCard customer support lines and starting a petition that has nearly 220,000 signatures at the time of writing.

Visa and MasterCard really are going to learn just how dangerous it is to mess with horny gamers. Here's an example of a screenshot that was highlighted by a developer and 404 Media as a violation. here we go future no thanks was meant to be announced weeks ago but the steam page didn't pass the first review because a screenshot marked as suitable for all ages had suggestive themes the screenshot

This one. So what is it? Like, oh, wait, hold on. Is this, is this, uh, okay. Is this skin? That's a window and you can see upper skirt. I think that's Shadow. I think that's actually... Sure. That's actually Shadow. Sure. I'm not 100% sure. That could be Undies. Alright Newman. The internet's funny. We know that much. That's a lot of signatures. Yeah. Where is it? I don't think it's going to go anywhere, to be perfectly honest with you. Where is the petition based? Is it just...

I don't even remember what that website was. Change.org? Is it just a change.org thing? Or is it a real petition in the EU or something like that? How legit is this? I am looking. The Guardian has an article on it. Oh, wow. The horny gamers have a place to go. Apparently, GOG released a free adult games pack featuring games that were delisted from other platforms. Nice. That's hilarious. Yeah. You probably don't want to. I decided to stop scrolling down. That's a good idea. Yep.

I thought this was YouTube uncensored. I thought this was America. I hope not. To be clear, there are games that have found their way onto these platforms that... go beyond just adult themes and probably should be delisted but the problem to Adam's point is that

That shouldn't be up to payment processors. That shouldn't be up to payment processors. And when you have that kind of pressure on a business, where all of a sudden they literally might not be able to accept payment anymore, they end up casting an over-wide net. and a lot of pudding gets thrown out with the bathwater.

We're going to get that one? That one doesn't count? That was pretty good. I thought that was pretty good. I didn't think it was good. I thought it sucked. Pudding with the bathwater? You know what else sucks? I think they're like both kind of... The IGN 2025 gaming trance. Yeah, exactly. I was going to make a comment on it.

Yeah. Fine, I'll give you a ding for pudding. That's gross. And the bath, get it? And the bath water? Oh, that went way over my head. It's actually really, I thought it was really good. Wow. I thought it was really good. Excellent, Linus. That's very good. I'm sorry, I'm too dumb. I thought it was pretty solid. You got one over on me. IGN launches gaming trends platform. Reddit user MegaApple summarized the highlights nicely. And...

Are you ready to have your mind blown, sir? Yeah, I skimmed some of this earlier. 93% of gen alphas prefer playing on mobile, according to IGN's segmentation study. No. But preference for mobile is actually growing for millennials, too, with 32% calling it their preferred device. Why preferred, man? Have they never held a controller? It's so bad. The phone is actually just worse in every way. It's so frustrating. Daily concurrent user numbers have grown for Roblox.

From 3.8 million daily concurrent users in June of 2022 to more than 25 million in June of 2025. There are 25 million. million concurrence on roblox daily the kids are wrong the kids are wrong Over the same period, Fortnite has grown from 1.2 million to 1.77 million concurrence, with occasional blips, like when 15.3 million new players logged in for the Marvel Galactus event.

Millennials and Gen Xs tend to be loyal to platforms or genres. Now, the younger generations tend to be more loyal to specific experiences. They no longer identify necessarily as gamers. They will identify as players of a specific game. Is that because they're all gamers now? I think it's because everything is as a service. And yes, gaming is way more segmented.

And like, there's so much cultural, remember how the cultural stigma used to be that you like were into video games? Well, now they're drawing battle lines down like Fortnite. And it's not like the older gamers aren't guilty of that as well. Oh, Fortnite, that's for babies. Call of Duty versus Battlefield. Exactly. Versus Counter-Strike, whatever.

Every two years, IGN conducts a study into audience attitudes towards older games, and the findings are showing that people are increasingly looking back. Now, 71% agree that they're feeling more and more nostalgic for franchises that were around when they were kids. That's like water's wet. Okay. And this is another one. This is another water's wet. Gen C and Gen Alpha now expect every song and TV show to be available to them instantly, and they expect the same for video games. Yep.

I mean, the concept of like scheduling a time for a phone call to my kids is like bizarre or all because we don't really watch sports in my house. So... needing to be in front of the tv at a particular time is like why you know like it it seems ridiculous this is fun grow a garden is the most popular game of all time

By a landslide. Dan and I talked about this particular... I skipped all of it except for this. Dan and I talked about this particular thing before the show. I had genuinely never in my life heard of this game until I saw this chart. Okay, Boomer. Yeah. You're out of touch. No, for sure. Yep. Actually. And it's worth noting that even though we said, hey, Roblox has like over 10 times the concurrence of Fortnite.

um roblox isn't really a game anymore roblox is a game platform that's it's more comparable to steam now i would say than it is to i agree a game so so grow a garden versus fortnite versus you know PUBG. Those are games. But yeah, Grow a Garden is a Roblox game. Among Us is still that popular? I thought it was like a dead meme. This is all time. Oh, all time, all time, all time. Peak concurrent players in millions.

Grow a garden. Should we play Grow a Garden? I looked up a gameplay video. Seriously? Out of... What even is that? Dressed to impress? I have no idea what that is. I think it's like a dress-up game. I think we've talked about it on the show before. Okay, sorry. I looked up gameplay of Grow a Garden and the kids are wrong, dude. The kids have bad taste. This is like one of the first times that I... Yeah. Maybe I'm old. I think the kids have bad taste. Grow a garden looks like trash.

None of this is even gameplay. How to make the top model dress for free in Dress to Impress. Just to impress. Yeah. Yike. I mean, uh... Wow. Um... Mystery Ions said it's a result of the dumbing down of the children. But Grow a Garden looks rough. It looks like bad Minecraft. This is like the first time I felt old. You feel old? That's not true. Just play Minecraft. Like, it's... It's not just kids playing Roblox. Okay. I'm not trying to make you feel self-conscious. Sorry. But, like, it's...

I don't know. It's weird. And I'm not saying Roblox universally is bad. I've seen some videos of games. I've never once launched Roblox. I've seen some videos of games that are like, okay, cool. You know, if these are free games, whatever. I could see myself, if I was a kid, being into it. There was a Counter-Strike ripoff one that looked actually really good. Yeah, actually. I think I saw my son playing that once. Yeah, there's some games on there that look like...

Okay, these are serious. I haven't gotten into it because like no one in my friend group has gotten into it. He was playing gun game. Yeah, but like if one of my friends was like, hey, want to play gun game? It's on this Roblox thing. I'd be like, sure. That's cool. It looked totally fine. I've seen other ones that looked really good. Grow a Garden.

At least from the video that I watched. Looks like trash. So it's like stunning to me that it has. It's the most popular game of all time. Maybe the person that I was watching. Just only did like really basic boring things. Maybe it's really cool. I'm just checking it out. But yeah, it just looks like junk. Totally. Graphics are one of the least important things.

You're a Lego and you make a Lego garden? But it just looks like not as good Minecraft. To me. Is Minecraft free? No. So that's why, in my opinion. Like, honestly. Got him. You just got called poor on the WAN show. No. Well, anyone who plays Grow a Garden did. That's not the point.

The point is any game that's free is going to have way wider adoption. If you're a kid, getting your parents to buy a game is not always the easiest thing, whether they have the money or not. So you heard it here first from Luke. Try... being less poor or failing that, having less poor parents. Luke, I really... I said regardless of how much money they have. I really don't think that this is a very constructive argument.

Hey, that's what I say to people all the time, and I wish they would follow my advice. They're complaining about stuff, and I just say, have you tried not being poor? Wow. And they just don't. Roblox also isn't free. I didn't know that. I thought Roblox was free. Because there's so many microtransactions. I would have sworn Roblox wasn't free. Sorry, was free. No, you have to pay for Roblox. Yeah, that's right. The base game?

How much is the base game? I thought it was free. I don't think I've ever tried to buy Roblox. Oh, no, you can buy Robux. Yeah. Can you imagine needing to buy... It is free. What are you guys talking about? Can you imagine needing to buy 200 US dollars worth of Robux at once? In one shot? There's probably something that costs that much.

It's not even discounted. Oh, it is discounted a little bit. If you buy some cosmetic, can you take it from custom game to custom game? I don't know. Who cares? I feel like probably. 75 Robux for Cheeks. What the heck is the difference? Chiseled. I see it. Go from that to cheeks. Cheek's a little rounder on the bottom. Oh my God, who cares? Yep. Yeah. Discussion question. If each of you... and we're oh what the hell keeps happening over there dan ah okay

so we're bringing dan into this one if each of you had to identify by the game you play but not the platform or just as a gamer in general what game would it be And you got to think all time. You got to think all time. Cause like, it'd be easy for me to just say I'm a tape to taper, you know, or whatever. But that's like one blip in my, in my gaming life. If I had to identify by the. game I play. What game would it be? Does Floatplane know what I'm going to say? I don't know.

I don't think... I think this is one of those ones where, for once... I think I know yours. Probably. I don't think I know Luke's. Hold on. Let me think a little bit longer. I don't think I know mine either. Let me think a little longer. No, I know Luke's. I know Luke's. I don't know mine. People say Morrowind, but it's not favorite game. No, that's not right. No, I already know what it is. Luke's not a Morrowind gamer. That's cheating. Yeah, I just love Morrowind. They're different things.

I already know Luke's answer, but okay. Okay. If you can come up with mine, then we can move forward because I can't come up with mine. Well, I have an, the first thing that popped in my head. is insanely left field and probably wrong, but I feel like I want to say it anyways. Sure. Psychonauts? Interesting. Puzzle platformer, story driven, quirky.

I did quite enjoy the first one. Tried to get into the second one recently. I know nothing about the second one. I only know anything about the first one. It seems fine. My only problem with the second one is that I have often very, very short... chunks of gaming time and the gameplay especially the combat is much deeper

so i just honestly know nothing about there's like a lot more buttons and combos to have to remember and when it's been three weeks since the last time you touched it and you only played for an hour and you forget the tutorial it can be a little bit daunting it can be a pain um interesting That's what jumped in my head. Not Anno? You're not an Anno guy? Or you just also really like Anno? That almost feels like the Morrowind thing to me. Slower. RTS.

So you're like, no, definitely an enjoyer, but I don't think it identifies. Supreme Commander is the only game I ever got into, into, into. And I would say that it and Anno have in common. the sort of economic element that makes both of those games a little bit, um, niche. Um, man, that's tough. I have yours though. Slay the Spire for sure. Yeah, probably. I think if there was a game that Luke is... Like a deck building kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's a min-maxer player.

and so so like you're you're easier though whereas i feel like my taste in games is kind of like my taste in music it's just eclectic um i think that's one of the reasons why psychonauts popped in my head sure yeah You know what? I would accept either of those answers because I truthfully could not come up with something for myself. The more I think about Anno, the better it is, but it's missing something for me. I don't know what. I don't know what either.

Not that Psychonauts is perfect. Like you said, I think yours is a little hard to place. Yeah, I mean, actually, I shouldn't say the only game I ever got into was Supreme Commander because I was really into Left 4 Dead. and played a ton of like team fortress two back in the day as well um i'd say i'd say if there was some way if i could distill it down into um If we could find the game that was like the ultimate 4v4, like I like small team versus.

is like my favorite thing which is yeah a lot of the ideas of tape to tape it's why i like left for dead but i don't think it's tape to tape yeah i don't think it's tape tape to tape is just what i'm super into right now okay dan okay hold on first luke what do you think dan's is

This might be too easy, but my answer might be almost too generic, which might make it incorrect. Hold on, I'm going to write mine first. Hold on, hold on, so that I can prove. Sure. Because I feel like we're going to say the same thing. We might. Okay. Factorio? Yeah, I'd probably say that. Yeah. Okay, Dan was too easy. Yeah.

Yeah, I figured it would be easy. But I mean, like, some of them are crazy. Like, if I had to pigeonhole myself like that, then probably, but... Yeah. What's cool about Vactorio is there's... It's one game, but it's also like you can kind of decide how to play it. I like that about games. It's like if you were a rollercoaster tycoon. Have I told you why I've never played Factorio? Because you think you'd get way too into it? It scares me.

It should scare you. That's why I never subscribed to WoW. I bought the box. And I played my free month, and A, I'm the cheapest cunt you'll ever know. And the idea of subscribing to a game was just, I decided then and there, when I was a teenager, that I would never do it. and i never have um so that was part of it and the other part was that that month is completely lost to my memory

All I did is play as Mage Nuzulia and light things on fire, and nothing else existed in my life. You know how a sieve has one more turret? Yeah. Yeah. Factorio has, oh, I just got to fix this one thing. Well, that's the Anno problem. Did you ever play Anno? Yeah. I had to stop. Yeah. Did you ever get the prompt that tells you...

You've been playing for eight hours or whatever. That's as high as it goes. Don't ask me how I know. Yeah, I have moments like that. I've had to uninstall Vactorio before just because it's so enthralling. I beat so much.

space age and I lost the achievement by four hours there's an achievement for beating it in one under 100 hours and I got 104 hours which is pretty good which is pretty good that's a rough achievement to have to try to redo yeah the original game they had one as an achievement for beating it within eight but most people either never finish it or take hundreds of hours to be able to finish it i i

I will say, I really like Anno. I feel like if I never played it with you, I would play it more. Really? That's an interesting take. Okay, hit me with that. I like co-op Anno so significantly more. than I like single-player Anno, that single-player Anno just, like, it's still enjoyable. Yeah, well, it's comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah.

yeah like i i know that i would love that game if i had first played it just by myself but it's a sick hangout game yeah because you're like dialed but also focused on something but you could have a conversation you can totally chat yeah yeah

Yeah, 100%. As we played Inscription, yeah, it's fantastic. It's a really, really good game. Everything from that person, I don't remember their name, but everybody, that person or that company or whatever it is that has made those games, I think it's like...

pony whatever and inscription and yada yada. They're all great. I love all of them. Ars Technica reports that robots can lie now. OpenAI's new ChatGPT agent proved it can click through Cloudflare's anti-bot verification on Friday. ChatGPT agent can perform multi-step tasks for users, and it explained... This step is necessary to prove I'm not a bot as it clicks through the bot screening step.

I just wanted to throw that in there. It's part of our just like AI roundup for this week. This is another one. Showrunner lets you use AI to make your own TV shows. And I am... terrified are there some rough ones the source is biz business insider it's paywalled so we'll just kind of give you guys the high level stuff but after securing funding from amazon's alexa fund

Fable Studio has launched showrunner.xyz, which allows subscribers to create their own animated shows or to build on others' existing IP by inserting themselves as characters. Or adding scenes. It's weird how many people on this front screen are recognizable. Showrunner has at least one studio on board and claims to be in talks with Disney. That's...

Said their CEO, Edward Satchi, if you're saying to yourself, that sounds really stupid, you're not alone. Maybe nobody wants this and it won't work. Okay. So I watched, I think I was looking at the pilot of Exit Valley. So that's the one on the top left. I don't think, this is not clickable. Oh, okay. How did I find that then? um hmm the prize these these all give me like uh one of the problem with these is like these all give me very strong vibes of shows that have or did exist well yeah

Which is the whole problem. Here we go. So, here. Yeah, here it is. Okay, so here, I think this is the, hold on, I think this is the first, yeah, episode zero, meet showrunner. It's not funny. Oh, is my audio on? Okay, I turned it off. Yeah, it's not funny. The animation is not good. Yeah. I got through a... About two minutes of it before I just kind of couldn't take it anymore. And terrifyingly, people are going to watch the... Oh, yeah.

out of this dude people's like oh people's show watching habits are rough it's all just like the the lowest level slop um And look, I'm not judging. I watch just turn my brain off TV. That is often its purpose. I mean, I think I've talked before about how I'll usually have... a show that is like my go to sleep show yeah uh over the years my and and i will literally have episodes of my go to sleep show that i have i won't say watched because typically i've only listened to them

um a lot of the time um but i'll have episodes of my go to sleep show that i have literally listened to you know in some cases 25 30 50 times easy So my go-to-sleep shows over the years have been like Adventure Time, Rick and Morty. Right now I'm finding 1987 DuckTales is an amazing balance of like... Because what I need is something that grabs enough of my attention that I can't think about anything else, but is not so interesting that it will keep me awake.

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. I can't sleep to Futurama. Futurama has never been a sleep show for me, although I love Futurama. Many years ago, there was a period of time where I was having a really, really, really hard time falling asleep. I didn't want to ruin that like album that I listened to in like emergency cases to fall asleep. Right. So I was taking a page out of your book.

and re-listening to Star Wars audiobooks. Oh, interesting. And that worked for me. Yep. I find that it's less important exactly what it is. Oh, Bob's Burgers was another big one for me. It's less important. like what it is and it's more important that you already know what happens. Yeah. And so you're not invested. It's not particularly interesting anymore. It's interesting enough that like...

You'll pay some amount of attention to it, but it's not interesting enough that you're super invested in what's happening next and like anticipating things or whatever else. So your brain is distracted enough that it can go to sleep, but not so distracted that it wants to stay up. So this is not going to work for me. It is boring. So there's that.

But I think it's too boring from what I've seen so far. For other people as well? No, no, it's too boring for me to... Oh, gotcha. For me to focus on it enough. So... So I have not been able to find a purpose for the one little bit of generated content that I've seen from showrunners so far. But I am fearful that... We're just going to completely skip the step where AI replaces writers and real actors and producers actually.

create the content still. And we're going to go straight to AI just generates the entire finished product and people lap it up from a slot bucket. Dude, waiting through the slot is going to be actually very difficult. We had a situation. I was at a family gathering for Emma the other day and some of the kids that were there had these like toy things where they were like amorphous kind of.

people blobs and there was magnets on the end of their like hands and feet that's cool um and you could connect them together and whatever else and one of the kids put them up on the fridge feet down all leaning out, holding hands in a circle. Oh, that's cool. And they're multicolored. And it made me think of a logo that I had sworn I had seen before. UNICEF. And I thought UNICEF. Wow, that's so interesting.

Okay, maybe that's what it is. I don't know. But either way, I was trying to think of this logo where there was a globe in the middle and the people were standing all around it holding hands.

I don't think that's a logo. I just think that's a thing that's been done a lot of times. Like my grade seven class sweatshirt had... that's all standing around the globe sure yeah so i but i was trying to think of this thing and then i mentioned the concept to a bunch of people in the room and they're like oh yeah and a couple people said unicef which i thought was interesting but then the unicef logo doesn't look like that at all um but either way

so we were trying to look it up online and whether it exists or not or whether it's just a commonly used thing like you were saying all we could get was just ai slop output of like here's the logo you're looking for Here's this generated thing. It was like very difficult. Hands Across America. It's not Hands Across America. As a Canadian, I had never seen the Hands Across America logo. I found it when we were trying to find this. It was definitely not that that I'm thinking of.

But all we could find, yeah, was generated images. And I was like, man, that was honestly spooky for me because stuff like this, this showrunner thing, like the ability to just mass output garbage. The signal, the noise is going to be really brutal on actual real information. Yep. Hey, want to play a garbage game? Yeah. I don't technically know that it's bad.

But this was created in response to... I'm going to trash it first. This was created in response to our t-shirt launch from... Was it last week or the week before? The cute little bread source t-shirt? I think the week before. Hey, Dan, can you point your camera at it? Just for... Yeah, it's right behind Dan. Over your left shoulder. Yeah, there it is. Look how cute it is. I can barely see it from there. That's the one.

With the cute little heart and the bread source. And Luke was like, yeah, this would be a cooler shirt, even, if it was a character from a game. So... So, um... Yeah. Levios 3114 made a game. Is Leviosa? Sure. Kidding. Kidding. I can't believe it. All right. So W is up. S is down. You're already getting ahead of me. I haven't even tried it yet. I'm just messing around. E is interact and then arrow up and down to retract neck. I don't know. Okay.

track neck is going to be a natural mechanism in the game oh it's made in godot hell yeah let's go yeah i like that part the best part oh wait there's an up thing Okay. There doesn't appear to be any reason to have the neck ever smaller. Or bigger. Okay. Well, that was a problem. So...

What is the purpose of the game exactly? Well, I see a counter going up when I collect objects. Oh, those spikes don't seem to actually kill you. Okay, so that's something. You could avoid them for fun. These are just upside-down spikes. Is this water? I am underwater. Look at me being underwater. Okay, so they never said that it was a good game. Okay, so the neck, yeah, the neck goes up.

Okay, my neck is no longer up. Does the neck going up do anything? Maybe I'll eat these leaves. Nope. I try to eat the leaves. The spikes don't do anything, so that's something. I have 10 objects, though, so that's something as well. I'm going to go this way. Oh, I'm going to find all the objects. Oh, I have 43 objects. Nice. Go, Linus. Oh, I'm home. Oh, okay.

Maybe my neck will be... I will go off the cliff at my home. All right. Well, there you go. You got your wish loop. Heck yeah. How many objects did you get? 43. 43? Oh, nice. Good job. You succeeded. I got so many objects, dude. Yep. But I finished. I got home first, though. So, you know. Is there... Nope. Oh, wait. There's... Oh, no, wait. Press E. There you go. I forgot about interact. Hey, it's the... Yeah. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice. So that's the thing that happened. Breadsaurus the game.

Well, I don't really win. He told me how to win. It doesn't really count. The Internet Archive is now a U.S. federal depository library. Let's go. In a nutshell, that means it joins a network of more than 1100 libraries that archive government documents and makes them available to the public.

This does not mean the government gets any control over the archive. This is particularly important today because of all the things that the government is disappearing in the United States of America. Recognition as a library may also help the archive in ongoing copyright conflicts as such. Some opponents claim the archive is an unlicensed digital copywriting and distribution business rather than a library.

Our discussion question is, do you think the Internet Archive is a library? Why or why not? I do think it's a library. Yeah, me too. Cool. That was a quick conversation. Also this. I said why or why not. Damned AI stealing our credits. So our source is... Emily Seddon, who I was talking about how one of the reasons that PSU Circuit is as sort of formulaic as it is, is because we are leaning on automated tools for editing.

But I got this message from Emily Seddon from our editing team. She's one of our supervisors who said, hey, Lucas from the lab and I were talking about when show clip about AI and PSU circuit and thought it'd be good to kind of clarify the current. process for making a whole PSU circuit is not what you conceptualized and stated was the goal and were told was how it worked. We realized it wasn't really feasible when it came to editing and making actually watchable content.

So we want to reduce some confusion to those outside the process and hopefully to the audience as well, because the post-production process is in no way automated or AI. I am the one solely responsible for editing every PSU circuit, which includes generating the AI voiceover, curating and placing the B-roll footage, inputting and lining up the on-screen graphics, adjusting the timing, updating credits, exporting and implementing review fixes. There really isn't a way to automate this.

yet the way that people think. We tried it and it caused more issues and time delays than it was worth. There is a template that I made for Premiere, but in terms of putting everything together and making presentable, it's all human. The AI just isn't quite there yet, not even for the voice. I often have to regenerate each variable line at least twice to get the right pronunciation and intonation.

I'll link the standard operating procedure that I made for the other editors here, too, if you're interested in the details. But I just wanted to clear that up. So, yeah, it's pretty cool when I get told that a workflow is something, to be clear, not by Emily or Lucas. This was a miscommunication that happened with someone that I'm not going to name. But I was told...

Not you. I was told that there were a lot of automation tools that were being used and that was helping to streamline the process. And I might have made very different decisions about what the format of that content was if I'd known that it was going to be manually edited anyway.

So that's interesting information that I very recently got. Thank you, Emily, for pointing that out. That is very good whenever we say something that is not actually... factually that um we should create i mean especially yep sorry Let people internally raise issues and help to make sure that we're bringing you guys the most complete information possible. If anybody had done that at any point over the last year...

or before when we were developing all these workflows, that would have been great. That was not Emily's job at that time, to bring that up at that time. So I'm extremely grateful that she's bringing it up now. I'm just... A little irritated that it took this long to make its way to me. But that was, again, I want to emphasize this as much as I possibly can, not Emily's fault or Lucas or other more different Lucas.

Yeah, because not going to lie, I thought it worked the way you said. Yep. So we may have to reevaluate PSU circuit videos and sort of how that whole thing works, but we'll figure it out. To be clear, when I say reevaluate, I don't mean we're going to stop making them. I just mean like if we're just doing the work anyway, then like maybe we should do a different flow. Yeah, maybe. Because that was the whole idea. A lot of the point.

for a lot of the steps are because it was assumed that it was happening a certain way yes this is why communication is key

One of our topics is the Threadripper launch. I'm just going to collapse it because I don't care anymore. At a certain point, it might literally actually just be faster to actually just have someone voice line it. Because if she's going to sit there and have to regen and relisten to all these lines. Yeah, but that's the thing is people didn't tell me that. So that's a problem, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Dark guy says, typical out of touch C-suite. Got him. Got him. If only I had vision!

oh we have a float plane announcement and if you made it this far into the show you are in for a treat because we are going to be previewing The very beginning of the first part of Scrapyard Wars 10. You haven't seen this? I haven't seen any of it yet. This is crazy. I will actually be doing my review of the first few minutes.

Live. Which seems nuts. Which does seem nuts, actually. Linus, you've got some audio playing from your laptop right now. You just want to try and stop that before we start playing, Link? Oh, yep. Apparently my last name is spelled wrong in the preview. That's really funny. Oh, really? That's awesome. No way. Wancho Bingo Chronified said that. No way. So I want to talk through this first, and then we're going to check it out. So a lot of people praised the intro animation.

Hoffman Wong, the lead editor for Scrapyard Wars this year, wanted to highlight Robert from our team, who is, is he the youngest person we have on staff? I don't even know. He was born past 2000, which is wild to me. I think we have a few of those. Yeah. He spent a lot of time on every animation slash graphic in the series. Watch video cue Dan. Do you know about this? That is so cool.

Okay. Okay, cool. Well, it won't look like that in the actual video. Well, it'll look like that, but it won't sound like that. Super cool. You guys might be the only one who heard it like that. From Hoffman, Robert has been picking up a lot of motion graphics tasks in the barbershop, the editing den. In the process of leveling up his After Effects skills, he's learned how to rig characters and use those new skills to create an impressive intro for this year's script.

That was my first preview of it. I haven't seen any of this yet. Scrapyard Wars comes out next Friday early. for float-playing audience members, so be sure to subscribe to get early access and extras for each episode. There's a lot of content, and not all of it can make the YouTube cut. While you're there, check out the one-year anniversary of Why is When Late? which was why I was wearing the hat during the pre-show.

How many times have you lost now? Don't worry about it. And you can also check out Alex Dix, Meet the Team, which if you want to apply to be one of our logistics people, we are hiring. He's going to lay out what he looks for, and he's the manager for that department, I believe. supervisor the manager yeah alex dick there's also a lot of other roles up check it out oh yeah here there's so many oh yeah we've got lots there's a lot recession what recession yeah

We're hiring. Let's go, boys. Okay. You ready? Yeah. So... I think at the time of filming what I'm assuming is going to be the first thing in here, I had been awake for... At that point in time, I think it's 25 hours. Nice. So I'm just putting that out there, okay? Because I skipped forward and saw a couple frames, and yeah, I... Look pretty bad? Yeah. Like death? Dang, yeah.

Okay. All right. All right. This is it. So this is Frame. This is Frame.io. So we use this to like leave comments and stuff on not yet finished videos. Those ballers. Okay. We ready? Mm-hmm. Do I get to hear it? Yep. I can't hear. I can't hear. Oh, you stopped it. Well, yeah. Yeah, I couldn't hear it at any point. We'll play it. This is going to be the biggest... Oh, it sounds so bad. It's going to sound like that for you, I think, unfortunately. Oh, okay. But they're fine?

As long as they're fine. Okay, if they're fine, I'm fine. Let me monitor that one sec. Yeah, play it. Okay, so they're good? I'm just checking now. Yeah. If they're good, I'm good. If they say it seemed fine, if they weren't all complaining, then it's probably fine. They would be complaining immediately. Okay. All right, here we go. You ready? I hate to do this to us, but Dan, can you turn up our gain a little bit? Cause I can like barely hear it. Yep.

This is going to be the biggest SCRAP YOUR VOICE EVER! See, normally we build a PC, but this time we build a PC and we transform a completely empty room into an EPIC! Gaming, movie watching, paradise. Our budget? $1,400 US dollars. That's going to be easy. That's a lot of money. Well...

It sounds like a lot of money until you realize that our judges will be evaluating more than just how many FPS we get. They're going to be looking at the gaming experience, the movie experience, and yes, even the vibes. Meaning if we fall short in any key area, display, acoustics, or even decor,

That's the GG. Although the scope is bigger than ever, the rules are mostly the same. No using our influence or connections for deals, we're only allowed to message and pick up items during the agreed upon hours, and we can only use parts and peripherals that we buy. using our budget. Let's check out these rooms. This really isn't much to work with, is it? No, it's very small. And for decor... Dude. It's gonna be a good season.

It's going to be awesome. It's going to be a great season. I'm already just like we're a minute in and I feel like so much has happened. The before and after of these rooms. are wild no spoilers no spoilers I'm not I'm not I just I just having seen I having seen the uh the blank room it's just it's it's kind of stunning to me it's uh It's going to be a great season. Don't go past five minutes. Don't do it. Yeah, that's a problem. Might want to take that down. Yep.

Can you deal with that, Dan? Uh-huh. Thanks. Cool. Good chat. Um... I think that's as much as we're going to watch for now, but next week, Friday, the first episode will be... up and uh on float plane and you get early access so now is a perfect time to subscribe to float plane at lmg.gg slash float plane hey luke what's up Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Willing Spy said, do the intro. He worked so hard. Okay, you know what? Let's do the intro. Okay, so here's the... Here's the coin flip.

Which was sort of a random coin flip. It was more of a metal flip. How does the draft work? Is it him, me, me? That's pretty awesome. Not gonna lie. That is pretty awesome. That's pretty sick. Yeah. That's pretty sick. I actually love the aesthetic. It has a very, like, early 2000s new grounds almost, kind of like. Yeah. But then I like the really flat kind of, it reminds me of, like, material design. Like, dude.

I don't think that I could be more excited for this season. Yeah, I think this has serious potential to be the best one.

oh dude it always it always like you never really know until you see the edits 100 i think it's got potential for sure 100 i'm i'm super excited yeah um Wow, is that it for topics today? There was the time I was in a movie. Uh, yeah. Let's talk about that. Well, I don't know how much I want to talk about that because I was actually kind of thinking... Maybe I'd like make a video about that. Yeah. It, it was something. It was, it was, uh, so I mean, we could, we could.

recognize it, but not talk about it too much. Yeah. Because people did point it out on the subreddit. So there was a subreddit post. I guess we can basically just point out that. I'm trying to find it. Crying out loud. Why is the search so bad? Hello? Like, this is ridiculous. I can... Oh, here it is, here it is, here it is. Why is it at the bottom? Okay, well, anyway. Check this out, check this out.

higher building the nice cube who's on the poster that's an error so um here's the thing remember when like a billion years ago I alluded to being in a movie that was like in post-production and then just like, um, nothing ever sort of came of it. This is that movie. Except for one small problem. A week before the movie came out, I got an email informing me that I am no longer in it.

Which made it all the more awkward when it came out, and I was listed as a supporting actor in the credits. What is it called, though? War of Worlds? War of the Worlds. War of the Worlds. Yeah, it's like kind of a... I don't actually know exactly what it is anymore because it was something. And then obviously whatever lines I read, unless I, it's possible I was simply recast. That's entirely possible. It's also possible that whatever lines I had are no longer in the movie, which I think...

Oh, yeah. You read the script. There's a lot we could say. There's... Okay. So that's the thing. I have to figure out what we can say. Yeah. Because the thing is, like, I'm not looking to... I don't want to get anybody into trouble. Like, on the one hand, like, I think that, you know, there's the... There's... There's a bit of a gulf.

between what you technically are allowed to say and what you're probably allowed to say. And I'm going to figure out how to get as close to here as we can. And it should be pretty... It should be pretty okay. There are definitely going to be some things that we can't talk about, but some of the stuff should be fine, like the fact that...

We were asked to do some kind of technical advisory work to help make sure that anything to do with hacking or whatever else wasn't too... outlandish um what i will say though is that whatever advice we provided i have not seen the movie i want to make that abundantly clear right now. So anything I'm saying comes from a place of I have not seen this movie. Whatever advice we provided, whatever lines I read, clearly didn't happen. So...

If you guys see anything in this movie, we didn't know about it. We didn't see it. We didn't advise on it. At some point... I think I asked them to take me out of the credits as like a technical advisor. Because they wouldn't. Well, hold on. I don't know. Yeah. I can say what I said. That I know for sure. Yeah. Anywho, yeah. So, it's finally out. I'm just going to keep just getting a little bit...

Oh, that's as far as I can go. Okay. Well, that's not a good sign. Huh. Rest assured says you should watch it. I think I'd rather make the video before I watch it. I just want to talk about the experience because whether I'm actually in the finished film or not, it was a really... It was a really unique experience. It was something that I didn't do for the money. I wasn't paid very much. I just did it because it was...

Kind of something to tick off the bucket list. So even if I'm not in the final cut, I did, you know, act in a scene with Ice Cube. sort of it's kind of sick it was shot over it was shot over covid yeah and and it was i think it was before he said a lot of the stuff that he said so you know oh i don't even oh yeah Oh, I have no idea. Oh, yeah. Sounds good. I have no clue. This was like five years ago, okay? Yeah. And, like, so, yeah, to be clear, it was COVID, so, like...

I was on a webcam, he was on a webcam, you know? Like, we were never in the same room. But I was technically involved in a Hollywood production. Technically. Apparently my mic is dying. Mic is dying? Mic bad. Many audio, wow audio, ow. Okay, let me look at that. Did I fix it? It sounds fine to me. I'm hearing your mic and it's fine. More mics. We're done with our topics. Hey, one sec.

There? That should be fixed. Hi. I hope. How you doing? Nice. Nice. Okay, let's do some merch messages. It's time for After Dark! Sorry about that, guys. Sorry, everyone. Our sample rates got out of sync. I hate it when that happens. It is awful. It is actually the worst. They got out of sync, and so we sunk.

And that's why I disabled your speakers. Yep. Wait, that's why? No, I just wanted to make a call back. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was like, what? Where's my, where's my buttons? No, I'm all flustered. Sorry. Magenta. Nice. After Dark. Nice. Merch messages. Nice. Me too. It's tough.

I mean, I think we bring both perspectives to the table, right, through the team of people that are responsible for bringing these things to life. Like, the writers' meeting is full of all kinds of... wacky zany ideas and obviously it has to be grounded in the reality of actually producing this stuff on a budget that we can afford. Sometimes we do make loss leader content that is just...

Design from the ground up, knowing that we're going to lose money on it just because we wanted to do something cool, whether that's because we just wanted to because it was fun or whether that's because we think it's a prestige piece for the channel or whether... I mean, really, those are the only two main reasons. Or if we think it could be an investment in people being really interested in that content in the future. I don't think we've really ever done anything like that though.

And then, yeah, the keeping things cost effective just comes down to that we've always, from day one, tried to run this as a sustainable business that doesn't need to take outside capital from investors or private equity. Sometimes even things that you might expect.

will end up being a loss on the content creation side. Sometimes a video will just slap. Yeah, we've gotten lucky before. Like building that PC in that tech mall all that time ago, I didn't think that was... Of course you'd think that would be a loss. I didn't think that was going to perform the way it did.

And then it just... Was a banger. Went super hard. Yep. And it's great. Sometimes the things that the audience might expect would be a loss. Like the fire truck. We might not because there was a plan. We knew we were going to make money on the fire truck, April Fool's. Yep. But then that's not necessarily the goal every April Fool's. No. It wasn't with the house. The office move one to the house, we lost a flip ton of money on. That thing I showed you that Jaden's working on.

I cost us like very little. Um, I think it would be really cool if we did a synchronized thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be with LTT. I'm sure you guys have your own idea. But I'd love to do a synchronized thing with the store. I think that would be really cool. Because the vibes are. Immaculate. Oh. Goodness. Yeah. I think doing a synchronized thing with the store would be awesome. Mar?

More. I saw the Fairphone 6 Gen 6 video today, and I was wondering if you had any comments on the less exciting launch of it in the US, namely only having the de-googled version officially, and $900? This is actually the first time I'm hearing of that, which is a little frustrating given that I did shoot my short circuit of it. Oh, it's up. I went up this morning.

Okay, hopefully nobody's mad about the fact that I'm not talking about that. I hate their naming scheme, by the way. It's called Fairphone Gen 6. So we went Fairphone, Fairphone 2, Fairphone 3, Fairphone 4, Fairphone 5, Fairphone Gen 6. That needs to stop.

That the entire industry needs to get together and say, hey, so this is really stupid. Can we all not do this anymore at all? And then everyone needs to go, yeah, right? What was up with that? And then that would be super cool. Other than that... It seems like a much more competent daily driver device with the same great benefits of Fairphone, like the long software support, as well as the use of hopefully less...

harmful materials. The software support one, though, is becoming less of an issue now that so many of the major handset makers are committing to supporting their devices for six, seven years even. Yeah, sorry, I just don't know much about the less exciting U.S. launch. First, I'm hearing of it.

I have a Steam Deck and an OG ROG Ally that has stopped working. Should I get an Ally or an Ally X now, or do you think the price and performance of the Xbox ROG Ally is worth the wait? Or a Legion Go, lol. I don't know. I don't know exactly how it's going to shake out. What I suspect is that it's going to be a very substantial performance upgrade and also a substantial performance per watt upgrade. But I've only been hands-on with the hardware for like...

Three minutes playing a game. To me, it's very interesting. Custom version of Windows. Yeah. It's intriguing. Very intriguing. That might be a reason for you to buy. That might be a reason for you to not buy. I'd say the biggest reason for me to wait right now would be that we're clearly on the precipice of a real next gen in mobile PC hardware. And either the ROG Ally X2, whatever they're calling it, is going to be like the one, if you want to pony up for it, or...

What I'm kind of hoping for is that we'll see a second-gen Steam Deck to go toe-to-toe with it. That's sort of... That's sort of what I'm hoping for, because Valve has never said, oh yeah, we're not going to do another Steam Deck. What they've said is, we're not going to do it until there's a clear generational leap in performance, and I feel like we're getting there. I feel like we're getting real close.

I saw this really interesting article talking about how the PC handheld makers are, they're missing the point by having these really expensive handheld gaming PCs, but... I feel like they were asking for something that's just not realistic. They were like, yeah, they missed Valve's point. The leadership Valve was trying to take with the affordable price. And it's like, yeah, but like, Valve can only do that.

Because they're subsidizing it with the 30% they take on Steam. Aya Neo doesn't have Steam. They have to make on the hardware what Valve... expects to make over the entire lifetime of that device being deployed. Yeah.

I can read the next one. It's for me. Oh, I'll read it then. Sure. Hey, Luke, I convinced work to send me to DEFCON. Any tips for a first-time attendee? Also, what villages are you most interested in? First off, congratulations on convincing your work to send you to DEF CON. I'm not sure how you did that as someone who has been there before.

But nice. Sorry if your boss is watching. There's like a much more business focused con that happens like right there at like almost the same time called Black Hat. But DEF CON is cool. You'll have a good time. What villages are you most interested in? Last time I hit the show floor for like 20 minutes and then went to a hotel room and worked on puzzles until the last hour of the show.

multiple days later, I did nothing else the whole time. I would clarify what the puzzles are. We didn't pay for your trip, did we? No. Cool. Yeah, no, not at all. I took time off. Carry on. Yeah, I did not think at all that I could make a business case for me going down there. And given what I did the whole time, I was right. They might have a different experience.

Security researchers can totally pull it off. Yeah, the saying pull it off in that sentence doesn't make it sound a ton more legit. There are panels and stuff that are really cool. I have panels like on my NAS. from pre-YouTube DEFCON that were security-based stuff that I thought was super interesting because I was interested in getting into the field. It's a thing. I think most of the show is fun and interesting stuff.

And there's definitely some learning things. There's the lockpicking village you can go to. I thought it was kind of cool that they brought an actual fence. And the fence just had a whole bunch of different types of locks on it. And you could sit there and practice with different lockpicks and stuff. That was pretty neat. But...

Yeah. Any tips for a first-time attendee? No, because I was in the building for like two total hours. So sorry, I can't really say a ton. I had a blast. It was really fun. It was really cool working.

with all the different people on the team that I was on and trying to compete with other people and do all that kind of stuff is a really cool experience. And it is... a legitimate defcon experience because during defcon there are all these like puzzle cracking ctf type of things going on and some of them you don't have to be on the show floor for by the time i actually started doing the puzzles um

A lot of people had gotten the things that you needed to get from the show floor itself already. There was an element of that. But by the time I started, that was already done. So we just sat in the hotel room on laptops and worked. But yeah, I would recommend at least... I'm going to recommend something I didn't do, but I had planned to do. Sample all the different areas.

Go hang out for like half an hour in each little area. Don't get, don't get, don't do what I did and get too obsessed with like one thing. Dakure says don't use random USB cables. Good advice. Don't use random anything while you're there. Although I did, I purposely brought an old Pixel phone that had been left in a box not updated for a long time and refused updates.

and went there with an old, not secured Pixel phone, and jumped on every single open Wi-Fi network I possibly could, the whole time I was there, hoping that I would get intruded on, never happened. I'm surprised, actually. Me too. It's interesting. Someone else at Theo was also doing the same thing. We both came up with the same idea, but didn't tell each other. And he also didn't.

have anything happen wow no pwnage it was interesting all right i'm not expecting someone to drop a zero day on like my random phone but it wouldn't have been a zero day this was an ancient like multi-year no updates

Android phone. Maybe you just seemed too juicy and too obvious, like you were asking for it. Maybe. All right, hit me, Dan. Hi, Luck and Danana. I made the Geared Maker chip at OpenSauce. That was cool. Did you read this? No, I can't remember. Can you talk a little about your experience in favorite booths? I loved the NASA booth. Dan also went. I'm also interested in Dan's thoughts on this. The geared maker chip was cool. I saw a few of those.

Can you talk a little about your experience and your favorite booths? I didn't see a huge amount of booths. I did go out of my way to make sure I went through the amateur rocketry section. That was really cool. Seeing a bunch of like the school teams. There was a kid there who had done a bunch of work making his own carbon fiber rockets.

And like talking about the work that went into that and stuff. And I got to chat with him for a while, which was awesome. That's super cool. I got a demo from one of the teams. That was an individual. I got a demo from one of the teams on how they were working their, what was it?

and how they're bringing the cost down for it and the machining that goes into that and the trial and error that goes into that and all that kind of stuff. Really, really cool section. I was happy I went to go through that. That was probably my favorite section in terms of interest. I thought the most fun part was probably 4D Counter-Strike.

What's 4D Counter-Strike? It's fun watching you fiddle around with that. It's very similar to the punishment thing that you guys did for Ludwig, where there was a 1v1 setup of Counter-Strike, and I played against Tynan. And they had it so that all of the throwables, so the frag grenade, the incendiary, the smoke, and the decoy. I think the decoy did something. I don't remember.

Like if you if you threw a smoke grenade and then stood in the smoke There was a leaf blower right next to your head and the leaf blow would turn on If you were in the smoke and it would just like, it's like hard to hear and like actually keep your eyes open and play properly and stuff. If you stood in an incendiary, they had it work in reverse. So obviously they can't light something on fire. But they would spray you with water. Okay. There was like water guns set up. If you stood in the...

if you got hit by fragmentation from a fragnade, there was like a motor attached to your monitor and your monitor would like bounce all over the place. Okay. It was actually like... That's pretty cool. It was pretty sweet. It was fun to engage with. Right.

It was really cool. I'm not going to necessarily say it was like the most impressive thing there. If you were going for impressiveness, there was a ton of really wild booths. What was that printer? You're going to understand this more than me. Oh, the one that went to space. Yeah. Yeah, it's a printer that prints into goop and it basically rotates the vial of goop and then... They shoot...

It shoots ultraviolet, I think. Yeah, something like that. And it solidifies it as it spins. So you can do things in zero gravity. You can create a 3D object, including with like hollow insides. Yeah, it just builds it as it rotates around. So you could create like a swirling straw, like a spiraling straw, and it could actually be hollow on the inside, and you can do it in zero gravity, and you can do it in goop.

and they didn't they make a glass out of it or something yeah glass diamonds all that sort of stuff it's it's um centered or something like that wild what is it actually do you remember what it's called no i do not uh but they did the thinking man so like thinking maddening tube 3D printer would probably be a good way to find out. Thinking man tube 3D printer. Yeah, they actually had one of the printers there that they had sent to space. At least I think so.

I don't know if we're going to be able to find this very easily, but it was really, really cool. Very, very impressive. Was it by Made in Space? I'm not sure. Maybe it was. I don't know. But it was awesome. It was very cool to see. And there was a lot of other really impressive things as well. But I didn't see, like, all of the booths. So I'm sure there was really cool stuff that I didn't get to see. Cool. But it was great. Yeah, that printer was quite a thing to behold.

absolutely yeah just really just watching it happen was fascinating oh yeah it happens in in real time you see it spin and then this object just slowly and you can just see you can see it's just goop And there's clearly light on the goop. And then you start to see like a shadow of the thing almost. I don't really know how to describe it. Yeah, it's like a little tiny ghost of it appears inside and then it just gets more and more. And then it starts becoming more and more real.

It's weird. It's cool, but it's weird. And it's because as it rotates, the video that they're playing, essentially, that's being projected onto it. So you know our CT scanner? how that looks like it's pictures that then get recombined into a full image. It's like the reverse of that. Like you play it a CT scanner video and then the projector onto the gel surface.

And because of the video playing, exposure to that light concentrated on certain points as it's spinning and changing... Computed axial lithography. A what now? Computed axial lithography. UC Berkeley. Open Cal, there's also a GitHub repository as well. Open Cal, it's open source layerless 3D printing, which is pretty simple. Yeah!

So, computed axial lithography. There's a 3D printing nerd video on it. I'm looking at it right now. Good luck. Have fun. Okay, cool. Yeah, this was nuts. Want to hit me with another one? Sure. Linus says he loves eating cereal for breakfast, but is cereal, if cereal is not available, what other breakfast foods do you like? Mine is eggs, Benedict, with pulled pork, sauteed green peppers, and home fries. Not a big eggs guy, which makes it really tough.

I guess I like me a breakfast burrito is what I'll go for. And I know they always have eggs in them, but I guess the burrito makes it palatable for me. I also would never say no to a Belgian waffle with like fruit sauce on it. Or ideally fresh fruit and whipped cream. I'm not really a breakfast guy. Honestly, the place where I eat breakfast most consistently is Taiwan.

and it's because i'll go to like a family mart or a 7-eleven and get a banana and they have a name but i i just lovingly call them the triangles but i always forget what they're actually called onigiri uh maybe that's it But it's a triangle of seaweed with rice in the inside and then some like meat or something else on the inside of that. And you have to, you peel the plastic on the outside and you pull the plastic off and that allows the seaweed and the rice to touch each other.

So the seaweed stays fresh while it's in the packaging. Oh, that's cool. Musoube? Musoube. I don't think I've heard it called that before. I think I just ate soup dumplings for breakfast this year.

It's not really breakfast, but... Not really. I'll do it. Sounds awesome. Let me see. All right. Hit me. Last one I got for you tonight. With Google having AI overviews that divert traffic away from sites where the info comes from, but still links there, how does that compare to Wikipedia compiling info on a page with links to sources? So I think the difference is...

is that Wikipedia is not compiling info on a page. They are using the page as a source, but Wikipedia is compiling information on a subject. Whereas the AI overview, a lot of the time... It'll reference multiple sources in like a bibliography, but looking at the copy of the AI overview versus the page that it is... taking it from a lot of the time there's enough verbatim there that i think there's far less of a of an argument to be made that um that it's like a like a fair use sort of

transformative use of it. There's also the fact that Wikipedia is happening by hand and AI is... automated this actually reminds me a lot of the uh the argument that people made back when during the whole like ad block piracy thing where they'd go well linus

Is it piracy to get up and walk away from your computer? QED. Well, no. It's the automation that... makes it a circumvention mechanism it's it's not the mere fact that you didn't consume the advertisement um So the fact that it's highly automated happening at scale and seemingly just ripping the content right off the page in a lot of cases that to me makes it less defensible.

Even just for you as a user, I would hazard against using them, not even for any moral reason or whatever else, but just because, dude, they are so often wrong. Those summary things I have found. found to be even higher error rate than standard chats. We had an applicant for our writing position that we were interviewing earlier this week, and he was talking about our need.

discussing the inaccuracy and how often the chatbot lied to me. And he asked it something as simple as like, when did this model of Ford vehicle get power windows? And it was wrong like three times. And he's like, he knew the answer. So he was like, no. And it's like, oh, you're right. I just extrapolated based on that that was the first year that this other Ford vehicle got power windows. He's like, no, you're actually not right about that either. Oh yeah, you're right.

It's like, yeah, they just hallucinate things. They're just wrong a lot. I really want to fit this whole... I'm sure it's findable. I really want to figure out what the metric is when people say it's correct 90% of the time.

I mean, the grammar is usually pretty correct. But that's what I mean. Does that count? Does that count? I don't know. Like, do these words form a coherent sentence, even if the meaning of it is completely inaccurate? If there's one small thing that's incorrect in a response that... it gives does that mean that the entire response is incorrect or because the overall response was mostly right is that counted as correct like where where are the lines on this i think it's wrong i agree but okay

Because I do not run into 90% of the time it's perfect. That is not reflective of my experience with it. Okay, so back when I was researching the gamer plane... my son was trying to figure out if it could fly somewhere. You remember the one I was talking about, right? My son was trying to figure out if it could fly somewhere nonstop. And it goes, this is the range of this plane, which it got right.

This is the distance of this place, which it got right. And the distance was greater than the range. And then it said, yes, it can fly there nonstop. So it got all... all the base facts right but drew the wrong conclusion it's like well that to me is wrong because if you don't read it carefully then you're gonna you're not gonna know the right answer Interesting.

I know someone who actively works in human reinforcement learning. This is from Tim000X3. I know someone who actively works in human reinforcement learning for Gemini AI. And I can tell you that there is a score-based... on very specific phrases in an entire response, and each response is deemed... And each response is deemed how accurate it is individually. Yeah, so what they're saying is...

That example that I gave would be 66% correct. In my opinion, that should count as a zero. That's a zero, in my opinion as well. So I think 90% is artificially inflated high. Oh, yeah. No doubt. No doubt that we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye!