Nintendo and Nvidia Compete in Scumbag Competition - WAN Show May 9, 2025

up everybody and welcome to the WAN show. We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. There's some juicy tea being spilled about Nvidia being terrible to reviewers and partners again. And another totally... Unexpected news, Nintendo of America wants you to give up the right to sue them and to give them the right to brick your console remotely. Man, these guys are really like... They're really trying to win the who can be the biggest

scuzzbag this week competition, aren't they? Yeah, yeah. Look at that, tying it all back to the title of the video like that. What a pro. He really is, ladies and gentlemen. It's fantastic seeing a professional work like this. Look at the way he doesn't even give his host a chance to say a word. Just talks continuously. And the way he just takes it.

Sorry, but I also forgot. It's tolerance. It's tolerance. And in the obviously all good news show, we have GTA 6 being delayed by like a year maybe, and company towns are back on the menu again. Let's go! Oh, boy. Oh, did we both press it? Uh-huh. Nice. Oh, the show's brought to you today by Odoo, Green Man Gaming, and AMD. Of course, alongside our rap partner, Dbrand, our chair partner, Secret Lab, and our laptop partner, Dell.

Alright. They did a bit more rapping it seems. Oh yeah, I saw that. I kind of like it. And when we do After Dark, it'll glow. It won't because we keep the lights on now, but it would have. It would have. Who do you want to do first? N or N? What did you think I was asking? I mean, why would one of us wait? We could do it at the same time. I mean it works for Beyonce.

Let's go with shorter N. Yeah, sure. NVIDIA is allegedly, I'm going to throw in an allegedly there, even though I totally believe all of this. Allegedly, I believe it. After NVIDIA withheld the 8GB variant of the 5060 Ti, which led to delayed coverage, and this is my personal theory, although I think a lot of other folks agree with me, delayed coverage as a strategy to bury any reviews of it.

so that people searching for this card would only find search-optimized coverage of the 16GB variant. NVIDIA has struck again with the RTX 5060. Tech Spot, Hardware Unboxed, Hardware Lux, and many more. Does many more include LTT Labs? リモー have confirmed that they are not receiving drivers for the RTX 5060 until its launch date, May 19th.

The cherry on top is not only does this delay any non-rushed review of this card, but May 19th is the first day of Computex, meaning that I mean, this says several, but I would say many reviewers won't be able to test the card at all since they are going to be working on the show floor doing coverage of all the cool tech that you guys want to hear about. I do think less reviewers are going to show us these days, but it's still true.

I mean, we're going to be there. I'm going to have some fun. I love Computex. I'm actually excited to play Badminton, and also Computex was there. Genuinely, though, I do enjoy Computex more than CES. I never got to do CBIT, which I heard was really good. but Computex is my favorite of the remaining... the remaining shows that I have been to. Me too, for sure. Alright,

Here's a very off-topic question just to get the show started off right. Okay, wasn't quite done with that topic, but sure. We can come back. Are you going to be able to go to badminton centers in Taiwan without just, like, inspecting? Oh, don't imagine that I wasn't already doing that for years. I mean, I've wanted to build my own center for, I think my first email to my realtor was over five years ago. so like dude i've been

I've been on it. I've been on it. No, my buddy over there who runs like half a dozen centers when I was there last year and I think was like in the process of opening up two more because the year before when I went there he had just opened one center and I was like Dude, you did a great job. I can't believe the budget you did this on. The demand for this is so high and completely unmet. Every time I come here, it's impossible to find a court. You should just do more of this.

But like, you know, that's not advice or anything. I didn't want to be responsible for like his whole financial situation. So I come back a year later and he f***ing went all in and started up like five more centers. And he was like,

And I owe you for it all because I wouldn't have done it if you didn't tell me to do it. And I was like, yo dawg, you owe me nothing for one thing. I don't want to be on the hook for that. Because if it had gone terrible, you definitely would have owed me nothing in that situation too. This is all on you. You did a great job, but apparently he's killing it like just killing it so anyway i'm gonna go i'm gonna go see my buddy when i'm over there but um where was i going with this i forget

So, yeah, I've been scoping them out. Okay, anyway, the point is several outlets are once again accusing NVIDIA of trying to bury any negative coverage of this card before the cards hit the shelves and consumers start ordering them. I can't think of another explanation. I have not heard one. But here's the thing. I can't fathom NVIDIA at this point.

Because on the one hand, they play these silly games, and they will swear up and down that they are not playing games in situations like this, that the drivers just weren't quite ready yet, or whatever, right? But if the drivers aren't ready yet, then just delay it. So we can poke logical holes in any argument around this.

You are playing games. Right, okay. So now that we've established you are playing games, the question is why? Yeah, what's the point? Because every other aspect of your behavior indicates you don't give a f***. about these value-oriented GeForce cards. So why? The stakes are so low for you. I've called for this before. I'm going to do it again. Spin off G-Force. Just spit it off as a separate business unit.

then you don't have to worry about the crappy P&L that's like mucking up your beautiful AI, self-driving machine vision, you know, friggin' digits, grid, like, beautiful balance sheet, right? It can just sit over there and have like crappier margins and a bunch of retail customers that are like a ton of work and like are whining at you all the time and you got this tech media that basically has a...

a borderline adversarial relationship with you at this point. You just go silo that off. You license the chip technology to them. They handle all the GeForce drivers and everything. Why not? What is the argument against it at this point? Because they clearly, like you look at how botched the 50 series launch has been. They clearly don't have their eye on the prize.

They're not on the ball when it comes to G-force because they're demotivated. All the money isn't working on this other stuff, so you need to have a separate BU. Or even, I dare say, separate company. NVIDIA GeForce. Call it GeForce Gaming Corp or something. Who cares? You have this separate company whose entire job is to crush it in GeForce. is to delight gamers, you know, like you used to.

because i just i just don't understand it they say there's no game right but like and like what's the point of way lower importance and it like has to be when looking at their financial statements but When you look at the original CES announcement of the 5000 series, he still led with GeForce stuff. The vast majority of the presentation... That's just the hook. No, I know. But if that's still the hook, then I don't think you split it off.

I'm not convinced that the average NVIDIA data center procurer, you know, chief procurement person at some AI thing. I'm not convinced that they really give two hoots about how good an RTX whatever is. I don't know, man. For sure, but there might be an expectation that they do. And if you get that chief procurer guy to buy a 5090,

I do think there's a higher chance that that person will have some type of bias towards that company. Sure, but there's plenty of cases where you have somewhat affiliated companies who cross-license technology between them. You could even call it NVIDIA Corp and NVIDIA Gaming Corp. There's no reason not to... still retain some NVIDIA branding, retain some association. The beginning of that keynote could have been, we're excited to announce with our partner, GeForce Corp.

Based on our all-new architecture, the G-Force, whatever. Jensen could even hire himself as the CEO of the other company. I don't care. The point is just that they've got to get it off the balance sheet so they can get realistic about what consumers can afford in terms of their margins. I don't think it's going to change. What do you mean by realistic in terms of what consumers can afford? Because they're selling everything right now anyway.

So in regards to what they will pay, which is all that they actually care about, not what can they afford, they're doing it. So maybe they are really realistic about it. like if we're just being honest because every time that there's been a gpu shortage or you know everybody buying cards for mining or whatever they've flown off the shelves every time and consumers have shown that they'll buy

scalped GPUs for $3,000 a pop because they want four more FPS in Fortnite. You just can't use the word realistic when they're out of stock everywhere. And that's the other hole that I can poke in their we're not playing games story. they're going to be out of stock anyway. Yeah. That's the biggest one for me. So launch it a week later or two weeks later. It doesn't matter. Keep the production going full tilt.

which you obviously haven't been doing anyway, produce as much as you can, and you're still going to sell it on launch day anyway. Just in case that's confusing for people, he means because they're putting production towards data center stuff instead of these cards. With that said, prices have started to creep down. A little bit.

They're creeping down, though. I don't think that's Nvidia stated prices, though. No, no, no, no, no. Because, well, they've never officially changed the MSRBs, so... Yeah. But the street prices are... slowly ticking their way down there's not really any pressure on them on the high end but I... There's none. You know what? I'm taking some validation here. I'm going to do a little victory lap. I know. Unusual thing. Go ahead. Press the button. But he doesn't know! I'm pretty sure. Well, anyway.

I think that Intel's presence in the market is a threat. Yeah, I mean, I hope so, dude. That's the theory that I've clung to. And Battlemage? Seems legit. And seems to be selling legit. Do you see how many board partners they have now? That's an indication. No, I haven't looked into that. Dude, we're at the point now where they're like,

almost breaking into brands you would have considered buying a GPU from before Intel GPUs existed. One quick sec. I know it's not like it got a low amount of views. It got over a million views. But this video is very interesting and if you haven't watched it you should go watch it it's not just like oh did i have bugs or not the conclusion is very interesting and how they both got to their individual conclusions is very interesting you should go watch the video

Like, you can buy an ARC B580 from, like, Acer or Asrock. Asrock, I'd say, is like the closest we're getting to like a real... add-in board partner. When I start seeing, like, you know, MSI, Gigabyte, Asus, putting their necks out to want to be part of the ARK train, then I'm going to really be a believer. At least it's not all, you know, Onyx. Yeah. Onyx does seem to be a significant player for Intel here, so there does seem to be a little bit of

desperation factor, but they're not the only one anymore, and that's exciting to me. So I'm going to say, hey, I'm glad I'm standing behind everything I said about the importance of Intel being part of this. And like we said in the title of that video, Luke just popped up. Please. Please, Intel, do not can discrete graphics. Please. Because the thing is, it's not like they're going to stop development of art. ARC is a key strategic piece for them continuing to compete with AMD on mobility.

So it's not like Celestial and Druid are not going to be developed. It's just a question of whether we're going to get the large scale, more power hungry ones that would go in and add in GPU. And it is not a good sign that B770, the bigger card for this generation, is allegedly cancelled. Although I did see a rumor that allegedly it is like uncancelled. Or maybe was never cancelled and maybe is still coming? Dude, the rumor mill around Intel's GPUs has actually been horrible...

It's like it's been way more... inflammatory and also inaccurate than most rumor mill cycles are. I'm not going to name a particular YouTuber, but there's a particular YouTuber that on like a super regular basis would be talking about how ARK is definitely cancelled now. Like, repeatedly, to the point where I'm just like,

Dude, even a broken clock is right a couple times a day. Can you just not even bother anymore at this point? Because I just got tired of reading it. And other sites would just pick up these rumors and just run with them. And I'm like, Do you have any idea how stressful that is to the people that actually work?

within that department that are just like what what what what what and then and then it turns out to not even be true and we 100% get Ark Battlemage it's like okay so What was this based on? I don't know, man. I don't know, man. Anyway. No, I'm not going to name and shame. I'm not interested in naming and shaming, but... apparently B770 is anticipated to feel, you know what, I'm not even going to read these specs, but I really hope, I really hope it happens, because

Battlemage, man. Let's go. Alright, what else we got? What else we got? Do you want to talk about the other big one? Sure, why not? Can Nintendo just, like, be likable? No. For once? Nope. Like, I just... Dude, I just wanna... It's kind of like, okay, okay, what's it like? Okay, it's like if you love Kit Kat. You know? And you just want to enjoy your Kit Kat without thinking about all the f***ing water this company is stealing from all the poorest people on earth. And you're just like,

I can't even enjoy this. I just want to guilt-free enjoy Mario. Okay! I just, I just, I don't want to, I don't want to think about the beast that I'm feeding. Can you even, like, would something like this? Oh, no, I'm sorry, Cobby. Kit Kat is Nestle? Why? I'm right. I know. So many things are Nestle. I love Kit Kats. Turns out it's easy to be profitable when you're just objectively evil. Oh yeah! Yeah. Dude, I mean, look.

We're pretty profitable. And I don't think we do. Imagine how much more profitable. Think about all the gambling sponsorships. Right. All the alcohol sponsorships we could have taken over the years. And the number of people that hate us anyway, it's like, what was even the point? Oh, apparently Kit Kat is Nestle in Canada, but Hershey in the USA. Oh, what? Really? I think Artie said that. Oh. Yeah. I did not know. Wow. Whaaaaat? Oh, thank goodness, it says copy. Oh, man.

Yeah. Anyway. Okay. Well, I just, so I just have to go down. Well, okay. Nestle does not own the Hershey company. Nestle does have a licensing agreement with Hershey to manufacture and distribute KitKat and Rolo products in the United States. However, Hershey is a separate independent company. That's it. AI overview from the LGoogle. Okay, well, hopefully that's accurate either way. Okay, yeah, KitKat. Okay, so all I have to do is go down to the States, buy a ton of KitKats,

Get to the border. Hope that I can cross the border. And that they don't have any questions about the mountain of Kit Kats in my trunk. Apparently there are many products that are owned by Hershey's, but they are still licensed and produced by Nestle. Oh, I see. So Nestle is probably profiting in some way. Nice. Nice. Anyway, Nintendo is under fire once again after adding a clause to their end-user license agreement that asks users to waive their right to join a class action lawsuit.

Joy-Con Driftgate? Anyone? Users can still sue individually, or they can waive the arbitration notice by sending a written letter to Nintendo of America's office, but Nintendo is instructing users to contact customer service instead as Most matters can be quickly resolved in this manner to our customer satisfaction. Which is fair enough. In which case, you shouldn't need

You shouldn't need to have a thing that waives arbitration. Yes, thank you. That's the words I was looking for. I appreciate you. Does that hold up in court? Does that hold up in court? I know you can't answer this, but like... I think if you give people the right to waive it, there's a solid chance. And I mean, realistically, realistically, oh my God, I can't believe we're doing this again. Realistically, it's kind of like the whole warranty thing.

It's not about whether Nintendo's allowed to do that. Okay, apparently Legal Eagle said no as well, yeah. It's about what are the obstacles and what are the... This will muddy the waters for sure. It'll muddy the waters. It will make it take more time and it will make it more expensive. Yeah. So even if you could go out and get like an outstanding lawyer who could be like, actually Nintendo, no. the barrier to entry is going to be higher to break through this. And that's what Nintendo is doing.

That's what created... It almost feels like a reminder of who they are. Because we already know from personal experience that lawyers are scared of Nintendo. Remember? We do know that. Yeah. We do know that. So this almost feels like a reminder. Or like a, you know, don't open the gate, there's a dog. You can see the dog, you can hear the dog, but there's also a sign. This feels like the sign.

It's just, man, it's frustrating. And I think it's also one of those things where they're creating an environment... Nintendo is the gorilla. Yeah. We had to find the hundred men, which is the lawyers. Anyway, sorry. Can 100 lawyers defeat Nintendo? It also feels like they're trying to make the individual user feel like. I mean, even the simple fact of us Talking about this is going to make Nintendo's users feel like oh, it's pointless because they're doing this arbitration thing.

I'm not going to send no letter. Ain't nobody got time for that. So realistically, I've agreed to this. So, you know, whatever. And the stupidest part is what Nintendo said is completely true. They could satisfy people by just sending them a new stupid Joy-Con. So then why do they need this clause? Just in case they decide they don't want to.

And that's where I get back to the whole warranty thing. That's why every warranty has outs in it. Because it's written for the protection of the company and has nothing to do with protecting the user. And it doesn't matter how good guy they are and how trust me, bro, they are. At the end of the day, it just comes down to their willingness in that moment with that current leadership team because those change.

to fulfill, to honor your request. So Nintendo knows that they could fix this problem by sending you a new flipping Joy-Con, but they're putting this clause in to make sure that if they are ever in a position where they don't feel like it, They don't have to. Or at least people will think they don't have to. Is this actually really about Joy-Cons?

So I thought this was... No, it's probably not. ...modding switches. I don't think it's about Joy-Cons. And them being able to brick your Switch if you mod it. Oh, no, that's a separate one. Oh. That's the other one. Separately, they have updated the account agreement to reserve the right to make your console permanently unusable aka Brick It.

if you lease rent, sub-license, publish, copy, modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble all or any portion of the Nintendo account. services. brah nice This was the topic I was reading. You 1000% do not own the Nintendo console you buy anymore, which would be fine. It would be more fine if we were still in the era of like carts that actually had all the game data on them and that actually worked completely without Nintendo's online services. but is way worse.

in the era of carts that don't have game data on them and that Nintendo can just decide at some point or can stop existing at some point, however unlikely, and they just, like, don't work anymore, and it's, like, illegal or whatever to try to get it working. They can probably ban individual carts, too. Dude, this is crazy! This is crazy! I wonder if they detected that a cart was being used too many times if they would ban it. Ah, I don't know.

I do think this is one of those things that, again, they'd probably want to be too trustworthy a bro to just do this all the time. But it does definitely give them tools to go after... the modding community especially you know, anyone who's Trying to unlock homebrew gaming on their Switch too. in a way that they potentially haven't before, and especially anyone who tries to enable any kind of online functionality.

I think that's the thing that this is mostly going after, especially because they make it clear that this is part of the account agreement, and they are specifically referring to Nintendo account services. Either way, it is very clear that Nintendo is tightening the noose when it comes to emulation, console hacking. Look, as someone who buys my Nintendo games

Like, this doesn't impact me financially, but as someone... I suspect this will change the purchasing decision of extremely few people. But... As someone who really likes emulation for lots of other reasons and as someone who cares about archiving, and preserving game history. I am not stoked, is what I'll kind of say about that. This is a great comment in chat from Hathos says, a million plus people playing Tears of the Kingdom before launch on Yuzu really set Nintendo down a harsh path.

I guess I can understand that to a degree. I mean, it's not like Nintendo doesn't have evidence, like real hard evidence to point to that they have been impacted. And if you're going to pull out that tired argument, that there's no proof that piracy ever affected the income of those million people wouldn't have bought the game. Stop. Really? You're going to tell me? Out of a million people? None of them. Yeah, it's not a one-to-one. You can actually stop now. There was Uh... Cases.

Back in the day, I think with like Napster and stuff. Oh yeah, 100%. Where the lawsuit was based on a one-to-one loss, which is why people quote that. Which is legitimate. Which is obviously stupid. Yes. Nintendo did not lose out on a million sales. But it also wasn't zero. Yeah, I think it's somewhere in the middle, but I think it shifts closer towards the zero side than the million side, and significantly closer towards. Either way.

If it was 10%, if it was 5%, it was a big number. And that's the bottom line, right? Companies will only ignore this stuff until it hits their bottom line hard enough that the cost of dealing with it iron-fisted is less than the cost of absorbing these activities. And that's where we're at. I think Nintendo's opinion on that is a little bit more...

On the rather deal with it iron-fisted side. Oh yeah, 100%. Given their precedence. Unique username goes actually, with the correct spelling, A-C-K-S-C-H-U-A-L-L-Y. pirates helped Nintendo sell more copies by word of mouth. That argument is also exhausting. Very good. It literally makes me tired immediately. I know you're kidding. Keep it up. I know you're kidding.

But when I see that kind of stuff unironically, I'm just like... You gotta wear them down. I'm so tired. Also, if you think that Nintendo cares at all about word of mouth marketing, may I present... Exhibit A. Every game streamer that they've ever stomped on who's like speedrunning their games or like doing something really cool like collecting all the Korok seeds or whatever that Nintendo has DMCA'd. Nintendo don't give a f**k!

At all about word-of-mouth marketing, I tell you what. Alright, what else we got today? Dan? Oh, are you like... You've got lots of topics. Are you buried in merch messages or something? No, I've got like three. Okay, cool. I'm just dealing with some other stuff.

If you've got lots of topics, you're like 15 minutes ahead, so you could move on to another one if you want. Okay, we can do another topic. Is that like a real job or something? Yeah, I'm trying to do it at the same time. Oh, okay. Hey, did you fix my Airtable issue? Did you submit a feedback request? I emailed Infra. Which one? I just like when I get an email infra

That's all I know how to do. You emailed Infra? Not only is that the wrong thing to do. I'll fix it right now. That's not even the right thing to do if you're trying to contact Infra about an issue. Which isn't what you were trying to do here. Yes, it was. No. I was trying to contact them about a mission. You're trying to submit an Airtable. When did you send it? Every single Airtable page.

All of them have a button on it to submit feedback. Are you sure? Yeah. Maybe some of them. How sure are you? When did you submit this feedback? I've done it twice now. Once was at some point. and then the other time was today. Today. Yeah. Well, I don't know, man. I got a thing. I got a thing. I got a link in my email. I was like, oh, you got a... Somebody mentioned you on Airtable. And I was like, oh, okay. And I clicked it.

And then it sent me to this page, and I was like, what is this? What is this page? I don't understand this page. Look, I clicked view comment. I want to view the comment. And I don't know where this one's going to go. Maybe it's going to go to the... And it just goes here. I don't know what this is. That's not particularly helpful. I just scroll infinitely. And did you open a ticket about this? I scrolled for- No, I emailed in front.

I don't have access to that email. Well, maybe you should. Did you just, again, that is just, Has, I think, literally never been the right way to do that. Diademimi says, I love the parts of WAN that show the realities of medium-sized company life. Did you just email that? No. No, we have an infrared for LMG. I meant that one. Can you turn that to me? Have to dig it up because that's not

Well, it just sent me to, it sent me to the, look, look, look, this is not user error. I clicked a thing and it sent me to like this random page that just has a bunch of random bullshit on it. No, I understand that's not user error. Sure, we can fix stuff, but it's just.

Well, you made it sound like I should automatically know that I should submit a ticket through here or something. I'm like, there's no ticket. On the desktop site, I know why that happened. I'll punch your ticket. Let's go. On the desktop site, there should be a button in the top right hand corner. But also... Desktop, what year is it? Do you not have phones? I know why that happened. I know why that happened, Luke. It's fine. My problem is, like,

I don't know. At least, at least when you look. Look, look, look. Luke. And that's okay. Luke, that's okay. I'm going to let you finish, but I do not even know how to submit a ticket. I know. I have no idea. I know. Nobody even... onboarded me to Airtable. That literally has not happened yet. And that's fine. But if you have a problem, don't just send an email to a random email account. It's not random, it's Infra. But there's official ways to send in tickets to Infra, which is not that.

Nobody ever told me that. Yes, we did. No, no. Yes, we did. Whenever I email Infra, they just deal with my problems. Because it's you, not because you're doing it right. I'm just telling you. They don't tell me to do it differently. They just deal with my problems. Linus in future just DM me and yell at me. But they tell me not to DM Dan.

You get special rules. Special old boy. I gotta scroll through the general chat for like a million years until I find the post where we tell everyone how to do this. Oh, I don't read that. Why would you read that? Nobody reads anything, Luke. It happened today with the group chat. I don't want to talk to you about it right now, but we're going to talk after the show. Do you have any idea how many channels I'm in? I think I know what you're talking about. If you don't, tag me. I don't read it.

If you email me, I don't read it. You gotta DM me, so I go, oh god, no. If all I ever did was just, or sorry, if I read everything that anyone ever sent me, every channel that I'm in, I would literally do nothing else all day. I can't. But why did you switch? Because normally you email me. No. Yeah. But no, you have no idea how often I email in for it.

The last Airtable issue that you had, you CC'd me on it. Oh yeah, it just felt unnecessary. You need to read it. It's just a random, it seems like just a Lincoln issue. It is, yeah. Because you're not But they'll hold it for me. Yeah. That is the marching orders. But it's still not proper. Because I can't like... I want to go home. Anyways.

You'll go home when you're done with Airtable. I can't do this anymore. He's never going home then. It feels like it already. Oh, I clicked the wrong single sign, and I love that. No, from your presentation, it's... It's never over. Yeah, that's what Dan said. He literally got up in front of the entire company at all hands and was like, when is Airtable done? Never. And everyone was like, Oh, cool. That should be what people want. Bye.

Yeah, because it'll always get better. No, no, we understand. We understood what you meant, Dan. Dan, aw, no, aw, Dan. See, you don't understand because you don't see all the communication about Airtable. Jesus Christ, I can't. You can't. Let's just stomp on a single person. That's a good idea. That's why I'm here. I'm a boot goop. Hey, how else are the boots going to get clean? I'll do whatever you want just be nice to me

Anything for a head pat? Oh my god. What are we supposed to do? You were in the middle of a topic. What was it? I don't remember. I don't think we started a topic. Why don't we do the thing? Let's do the thing with the merch messages. I need some merch messages. Oh, we have deals and new items on LTT Store this weekend.

What? What? No, I want to know. I want to know what it is. We're going Luke cam until you explain. You're supposed to explain merch messages. You said let's do the merch messages thing. Oh! Oh, yeah, well, okay. So, Luke made a startling discovery that his co-host has ADHD. Congratulations, Luke. There's a reason why I didn't stop hearing this loud. Okay, merch messages. We don't do super chat We don't do Twitch bits, we do merch messages. All you gotta do to interact with the show

and send a little message over to producer Dan, is head to lttstore.com, add something to your cart. You'll get a little box that'll pop up when we're live. You can leave a merch message. and Dan will either reply to it or forward it to the correct person internally or he will curate it. for me and Luke to answer on the show. So I'm supposed to now let Dan read one merch message. This is hilarious, you guys. Check this out.

In the doc, okay, in the announcement section, there is this block of text. I have been told that this block of text has existed for well over a year. That doesn't sound right to me. I had never read it. Me neither. That sounds a little hyperbolic. Dan, did you tell us this last week or two weeks ago? It's been there for many weeks. Are they considering last year?

Like, it's been there for over a year, and it was there in 2024. Okay, well, I don't know. I was told it has been there for a... I have never seen it. I have never noticed it because I have this thing where I just sort of filter out irrelevant information and it seemed irrelevant. When everything's bold Nothing is bold. You know what I'm saying? We had talked about this a couple weeks ago and I think I clarified that it's actually for me

And I was not really expecting you guys to ever read instructions in the doc because that's not your job. So we've been given a hard time about doing all the merch messages in the wrong order and the announcements and whatever. And we're like, what order? And they're like, yo. It's right there. And I was like, oh, okay. So let's do one merch message. Go ahead, Dan. Hit me. No, I just wanted you to read the Floatplane announcements because I'm in love with you guys. Okay, fine, fine, fine. Lucas.

Stop. What are you even doing, brother? I'm making it more effective. No. You said when everything's bold, nothing is bold. Yeah, well, look. So I'm making half of it. There. Now everything is bold and nothing is bold. My amazing work is... It was so beautiful. I guess it was. Stop. I hate working here.

Hey LOD, any chance you can provide an update on the status of custom LDD cables? I'm planning on overhauling my setup and I want to wait so I can buy cables made by your team. Thanks. They are in certification. The samples I've seen are flipping. awesome. They're not going to be cheap, but they're going to be flipping awesome. I think I Think the certification is being done like post-production of the raw cable, but pre-cutting of the lengths and putting terminations on them?

So I think a lot of the production is actually done. With that said, even though the company that we're working with is not in China, The production's in China. Because we started this project like two years ago or something like that. So for my American friends, the cable's maybe out of the reach. for the price but Cool. For the rest of the world, we are doing some serious work on...

Getting our global shipping rates down, that is something that we're working very hard on. I've been informed that I misspoke last week when I said that we have been subsidizing global shipping. with US shipping. What the situation actually was was we consolidate our shipments from Canada and send them to the US because it is cheaper to ship from the US.

So our shipping is more expensive now because we are shipping directly from Canada. Not because anybody was subsidizing anyone. But what I said about the more urban postal codes, subsidizing the more rural postal codes. I think that's how literally everything works. That is true and that is how literally everything works. That's why your internet plan in rural Missouri costs

An affordable amount of money, theoretically. A somewhat. But you probably get terrible service. Affordable amount of money instead of just not existing at all. You still probably have terrible service. That's just how it works. So yeah, I just wanted to clarify that anyway. We're working on our shipping rates worldwide, and so hopefully we'll be moving a lot of cables that are super high quality, but I don't know how many of them are going to go to the States unless we can...

Maybe we can figure out some way to highly transformatively do something to them here in Canada. I don't know. I don't know. But right now, it looks like that's going to be a made in China product and it could be a real challenge. With that said, I think that the

I think the tariff situation is highly fluid. And I don't know with sort of how things are going. I mean, people are already starting to talk about the midterm elections, right? So with how things are going and how public sentiment is on the tariff, even now, before the real impact has really been felt, I think there's a solid chance that they will be reduced, but... I need to...

There you go. Nice. Yeah, there you go. Who's even going to run against him? No, no, no. Midterm elections are for Senate and the House. And it tends to be that whatever the president's popularity is tends to impact the other races. So now that we've read a merch message, do we want to explain them? This is hilarious. Kumostar says, it's actually cheaper to run your own fiber in... Missouri. That is so ridiculous. That's why I said you get bad service.

Sorry, did I not explain them? No, I don't think so. Yeah, I explain merch messages. They go in the cart and they put the merch message and then Dan does the thing. I totally did it. You tuned out. See, that's the thing. He doesn't talk, but he doesn't listen either. He really is like Silent Bob like he was that one time. I love that you actually have done what you said you were going to do and you just only wear these shirts now. Yeah.

So we need to get some graphic tees in the longs. That would be wonderful. Yeah, okay. I was packing for my trip and I was like, oops, all black shirts. Dude, I touched a sample. from South America for our t-shirts that was quite good oh yeah we're still

months away from being able to transition. I have no idea if the dyeing holds up over time. I have no idea if our prints are going to hold up over time. There's a ton of validation for us to do before we just like roll a new t-shirt product or whatever but if if they are as good as they seem on the surface then that that could be a good source dude nice um Sorry. Alright, just don't do it. It doesn't even matter. No, there's a person.

Doesn't even matter. Anyway, if they're anywhere near as good as they seem, then that'll be super cool maybe in the future at some point. Can I help you? I don't know what's happening. Okay, okay, so we had a bit of a mix up. I don't know what's going on anymore. On a WAN show a little while ago. So remember how I was all like, yeah, the cargo pants. The cargo pants are back in stock. And I was all on the store and I was like. And we have a new inseam length. And I was like,

Where the f*** is the new inseam length? I guess we don't have it. Did you just leak and stuff again, bro? They just, like, weren't on the store for some reason. We've had a lot going on. There has been a lot going on with that team. We've had a lot going on. So we have two inseam lengths of our legendary cargo pants now. LTTstore.com. You can get them there, and you can send a merch message there. Is that what I was supposed to say? Artie, I have no idea if I did a good job.

They're the same cargo pants you love, just with a 32-inch inseam for non-Linus-sized people like Luke. So what am I looking at? This is the 34 out of 30. This is my size. And then what is this? You don't care anyway, dude. You just brought two pairs of cargo pants. It's longer. Is it on the tag? Yeah, this one only says 34. It doesn't say the inseam length.

Oh, that's production. Oh, this is a pre-production sample. Okay, okay, this is the longer one. Okay, cool. We also added a new colorway for big nerd gaming t-shirts. now oh what oh it comes oh that's even better Oh, dude. That's really good. That color is fantastic, actually. That's actually awesome. Dang. Or, or, or, you can get it in black. Black is cool. Like you could before. Sky feels like the way to go. Sky's super cool.

Okay. All right. Is there anything else that I'm supposed to say in the announcement section? Am I supposed to be doing announcements right now? Oh, okay. Oh, what? Oh, first the deals. Oh, we have deals. What room am I supposed to be doing this in? I can't even read the thing. Dad, I can't read it. Okay, fine. What the heck? I'll fix it. I'll fix it. Jeez. Okay. I swear. Okay, all right. Fine, it's gone. Okay. First, the deals.

I can't read it, Dan. Can you remove it? It's not even online. What? It's gone. Okay, it's gone now. Okay. First, the deals. Screw tariffs we are offering pre tariff pricing on the US store for the commuter backpack and the precision screwdriver bundle or just the driver or bit set. Just add any of these items to your cart and the discount will automatically apply on our US store.

Uh, okay. Nobody talked to me about this. I believe our old price was below our current cost on the Precision Screwdriver Bundle. Is there something I don't know, Artie? Feel free to tell me that there's something I don't know, and we will just continue going here. Well, they get to save a lot of money. Well, I know that. Is there something I don't know? I think you know everything. Really? Wow. Okay. Also...

On both the US and Global Store, we've got a killer deal. We have mystery screwdrivers for just $49.99 shipped without a box. So if you're shopping on the global site, this will actually be cheaper than what we offered during the ship storm sale event because now it's in Canadian dollars. Shut up. It is not.

Okay, hold on a second. Okay, nobody talks to me about these things. Are you? Okay, which one is this? Global. Okay, am I on the global site right now? How do I tell? No, I'm in USA. Okay, so hold on. Global. in the euro. Is this 50 Canadian dollars? Have you people gone mental? Okay, well... As long as you don't care what color screwdriver you get, I guess now's a good time to buy them for all your family and friends for Christmas. Um, because...

Oh my god, both of these deals are until Sunday, May 11th at midnight Pacific time, so... Okay. Okay. Uh, cool. Dan. Uh, okay. The mystery screwdrivers are Noctua. Okay. Either beige or brown. Are they? Okay. It says possible colorways. Noctua beige, Noctua brown. Okay. Okay, if you buy one of those things, please get something else as well. just anything else maybe a pair of cargo pants is there something I don't know I think I know as much as you.

Okay. That's a pretty fair answer. Okay, Dan, do you want to hit us with a couple more merch messages? Is that what we're supposed to do? Uh, yes. Okay, alright. Thanks, Artie. Have a wonderful weekend. Have a good one. I don't know what's going on anymore. I don't think we do either. Uh... Hello, Minus Mook and Man. How do you guys always have so much energy every week? What do you do to stay excited even when you aren't feeling it that day? Drugs. My answer is also drugs. Luke?

Not that. I heard tech CEOs like ketamine. I don't know, man. I think it's a combination of things. I've always been a little bit excitable. and then you combine that with this being my job for the last, I don't know, 17 years or whatever it is and i just i you know i get kind of i get kind of amped up on camera also luke and i have talked about this extensively on the show other than on the show we don't talk extensively so this is like

This is actually the time in the week when I get to catch up with Luke. So I'm like genuinely happy to, you know, talk at him. And he nods sometimes. Sometimes he laughs even. That's fun. That's enjoyable. Sometimes loud even. It's great. It's a good show. You should watch it. Uh, sorry, was that a merch message? Good job. Quality merch message. And now the float plane announcement. Uh, sure. Float plane announcement.

Luke, Dan, I'm about to spike your stress level. Are you guys ready? I'm over it. I don't care anymore. Open the Secret Shopper CMS. You know everything. It's your call. Let's go, boys. Secret Shopper coming early to Floatplane 2. support technicians gave up on us. And I'm going to throw you guys for an even bigger loop on this one. One of them, we totally deserved it. How does that end up in the judging?

You guys handle it? Ploof and I realize when we're shooting that we flubbed it in the call and so we account for that in our evaluation okay cool yeah no no don't worry don't worry everyone gets a fair shake make sure it's fair yeah everyone gets a fair shake or they get at least an adjusted evaluation of their shake. You know, it's a good shake. You know, like that sort of thing.

So anyway, that's live right now. You can be one of the first to watch episode three where Plouffe and I watch how brands do their tech support calls. We unseated everyone's GPUs.

Except Dell, who actually got a different tech support challenge. And the reason is that their bracket for holding their GPUs in during shipping is so good that we could not unseat the GPU. I mean, that's... kind of cool which is almost a win by default which is great because that's the only kind of win that Dell who by the way did I mention is the laptop partner for the WAN show

That's the only kind of win that Del can really hope for in Secret Shopper, it feels like these days. You know what, though? You know what, though? I... I believe in them. I believe that next season. Next season's going to be their season. Anyway, it's going to be going live to the general public on May 13th. While you're over on Floatplane, you can check out Colton's vlog of Jay's Two Senses SoCal Tech Fair.

He didn't want to vlog, but he was given, I'm told, a very big nudge to do so. And we're watching the first 22 seconds together. Let's go. Colton Potter shared a folder with you. God, it's so cringe. I hate vlogging. Please help. Okay. Well, then Colton needs to get better at vlogging. Oh, is this? Oh, okay. This is user error. Nice. Sure. Go to website.

I just want to be a little bit more enthusiastic. I just hate bothering people. Sammy, why are you making me do this? I hate talking in front of people. Is he on a green screen? Why does this look so weird? That looks kind of weird, eh? People are looking at me. It's so awkward. It's so awkward, dude. I think I'm going to get arrested. Oh, poor man. Oh, man. He's talking so quiet because he doesn't want people to hear him filming.

I love you, but you're awkward, dude. You're so awkward. I love it. You're great. He also got a last-minute invitation from, funnily enough, iBuyPower to check out the factory and see what goes on in their factory. Oh, cool. No, I'm not going to look at that right now. They can go on Flipplane. All exclusives are available also on YouTube members. But if you want those on top of early access and other sweet benefits, check out lmg.gg.

All right, Dan, what are we doing? Topic. All right. Luke, you want to pick one? I feel like I picked them all so far. Company towns are back on the menu, and I'm saying again, because I think last time we were talking about Amazon or something, and now it's... SpaceX, because of course it is. They both have to compete with each other on everything. But this company town... is on Mars. No. No. Oh, okay. Sorry. Texas. Carry on. Ah, yes. Okay.

Just about as big. Well, it's kind of another planet in some ways. Because of the size. Cameron County in Texas had a vote to incorporate a new town for SpaceX employees. The vote was overwhelmingly approved. With 283 votes for and only six against. The city is about 1.5 square miles.

and has just under 500 people who live there, 300 adults and 120 children. Bobby Perrin, vice president at SpaceX, was elected mayor. He ran unopposed Several bills are also working its way through Texas State, which will give the city the ability to close highways and beaches during rocket launches or other company activity. Wow. From both a company and employee perspective, can you list pros and cons of a company town?

If you knew all employees were on board, would you think it's worth the effort to establish an LMG town? How does this keep being a conversation? If I knew everyone was on board, would I think it's worth the effort? No, I would not think it's worth it. We don't operate at that kind of scale. That is line of speech for yes. That is not. If he was fully convinced that every single person was on board. And that he could buy more real estate in BC. Would we have our own brand of cheese?

Wine is cheese. It would melt the best on burgers. Okay, who is responsible for that getting posted publicly? That was for internal consumption only. Wait, what was? You don't know about this? No. Okay, so... you remember in the when show teams group chat which he doesn't read which

What do you mean? Oh, that's right. Luke doesn't read it. Yes, I saw the picture of your cheese. Okay, okay. I guess I do read it. In the Wander Cat. I just don't read it necessarily when you post, like, right before a Wander show and change the whole plan. Um... On the weekend, I posted a picture of my grill with a bunch of patties on it that I had just put cheese slices on.

Um... And then I was like, melt cheese on a burger challenge begun or something like that because of the conversation we had on WAN show recently where I evidently do not understand how cheese melts and I'm not capable of melting cheese on a burger. Then I posted, shortly afterward, all the cheese melted deliciously on top of the patties. Then he had to prove that he's the best at melting cheese on burgers. No, I didn't. Oh, my God.

I swear, your contribution and your contribution is a huge part of why I was not able to get my point across in that whole thing. So I posted a bunch of patties with non-American cheese, melted on them, just normal Kirkland cheddar, and then I posted like a You're a Wizard Harry gif. Okay. It was intended for internal consumption. It was a joke. And then Sammy got a hold of it somehow. He's in that chat.

Oh. Yeah. Why is he in that chat? The WAN chat? Yeah, why would he be in the WAN chat? Because he tracks when it's going to go live. It's like a notable part of his job. Oh. Also, as far as I can tell, a third of the company is in that chat at this point. Yeah, there's so many people that need to be informed about when the time that WAN is starting. It's less critical now than it used to be, but...

Anyway. I'm just going to call you. So now it's front paged on the LTT subreddit. I was not trying to poke this bear. It wasn't me. It wasn't you. I don't believe you. I requested. I requested. Can I post this? You don't respond. Wait, look who it's posted by. That's from the chat. That's not me. That's from the chat. No, no, no, no, no, no. The Reddit. Wait, Chewie posted this? Yeah. He posted. I don't want to call you right now.

I'm sorry, Chewy. I'm sorry that Sammy's bad influence turned you into such a bad egg. Because I thought that Sammy had posted it and it had got picked up on the subreddit. I didn't know Chewy just Michael. Oh, my God. Okay, all right, chilly out. Whatever your name is. Sammy, you're off the hook.

Whatever your name is. This is just the episode where all the employees lose their minds. Did he actually leave? He screamed and then slammed the door. I mean, it was 6.30. Oh, that makes sense. Oh, my God. Chewy, really? You were supposed to be the chosen one. Anyway. I think it was good. The burgers were delicious. And not American cheese definitely melts on a burger patty, which is all I ever said. Seriously. Dude, have you seen some of the comments on this?

No. It's... crazy I find it so hard to care about your comments on cheese and I don't even mean because like I don't care what you have to say it's just like It's the same argument the other day of when people were uproared about the placebo thing. It's like, why are you here for that? Why are you here for medical stuff? Why are you here for cheese opinions? Like, really? Wow, you need other things to do.

Dude, it's been wild the way people care about it. Anyway, so if you like American cheese, tell you what, eat American cheese. Nice. Nice. Congrats. Enjoy it. Okay, what were we talking about? Company towns. Oh, lord.

No, it would not be worth the effort to establish an LMG town. A, we're not at nearly the scale where it would make any sense for the number of people that would need to live in it. And B, our operations do not in any way require a company town which could only have downsides compared to just living in an urban center that has like

amenities and stuff. But what if you could shut down all of the streets to roll around in your fire truck, your customized fire truck, with the lights uncovered because you just make the laws? No. No, there are upsides. I'm sure there are upsides. And it's not like when a ghost town goes up for sale, I don't see that in my newsfeed and go, hmm. If the company was big enough, and if every single person was on board,

Every single person wouldn't be on board. People have wives. But they might. They have families that continue to go to school. And what if the schools were better? And what if their housing was more affordable? Why would it be more affordable? Because of course it would be. Why? Because trust me, bro. Oh my god. So yeah, I guess if you're asking what the downsides are of a company town, that's exactly it. Is the deal is better.

only until the company that owns the town decides it like shouldn't be better and like man is that ever a lot of eggs to have on one basket like

I remember probably the wisest thing that the owner of NCIX ever said to me was on the day that I quit. And he kind of tried to negotiate and keep me on board. And I went, no, I've decided to move on. And he kind of went, okay um and i kind of went oh well that like you know your demeanor your your your your tact here changed really suddenly he goes well look i mean nobody works at one company forever so like

Let's figure it out. We're at that point now. Let's figure it out. We're the next steps. Yeah, yeah. And I was like that. That is experience. That's wisdom right there. And that is why it wouldn't have been good for me to live in the NCIX town. Because now... But maybe your life would have been so much better. Instead of just my livelihood, like instead of just my paycheck.

No longer being at the company now all of a sudden impacts where I live. It impacts where my children live, potentially. Dude, I mean, and I guess technically you could live in that company town if you don't work there. Maybe, I mean, the children clearly don't work there. I mean, I don't know. That's what they're trying to do with labor laws. Then they're not allowed to leave. Well... If you don't work there, you can't. That's a good way to make sure that the funding for the necessities of life

stay in the town. And the specifically regimented education system doesn't get You can have an airport where they fly up in the air and then go around and they look at Vancouver or look at some other destination and then just come back. This is where all the heathens live. Yeah, you just look at them from up above. You just spit on them from the floodplain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why are you looking? This is hilarious.

This is apparently Gordon Ramsay struggling to melt cheese and someone saying it's okay to admit defeat about the cheese. So you're better than Gordon Ramsay now? Nope. All I said was... All I said was... The only thing I ever said was that melting cheese on a burger ain't that hard. That's all I said. That's all I said.

and i got receipts now so whatever uh okay uh yeah company town topic gone okay i want to pick another one or what are we supposed to be doing what even is the show The TinoScent guy says this has been a topic for like three shows.

Yeah, because people leave a lot. Man, the stuff people care about, I will never understand. Speaking of things to care about, GTA 6 has been delayed. Oh yeah, GTA 6. Do you watch the trailer? Of course you watch the trailer. What do you think of the trailer? No. What? You gotta be kidding. Even I watched the trailer. I mean, I read the comments, but like... The thing for me is, Is that 95 million views? Oh my... Oh, dude! June!

Dude, this thing is popping off. I don't know if there's ever been more hype for a game ever. What is GTA 6 like too mainstream for you? You're too cool for it? Is that... Is that what we're witnessing? No. Because I feel like that's what we're witnessing. I'm excited to play it. Why are you not one of those 96 million people? Because? It's probably gonna be like two or three years before it's on PC.

and I'm not getting a console just for GTA. I was going to say bought, but what you really did was borrow it from work. You got a PlayStation 4 Pro once to play a specific game. Yes. Okay, so you wouldn't do that for GTA. I don't think so. Really? Why not GTA? What was the other game? I forget. Horizon. Oh, okay. Zero Dawn. Horizon, yes, Zero Dawn. At the time, Horizon was not coming to PC. Where's GTA 6?

will be coming to PC. Just a question of when. So I'll just wait. I did the same thing with GTA 5. Just waited. So this trailer is not for me. I see. And that's okay. I see. Okay. I mean, but you can't just enjoy the jiggle physics same as everybody else? I heard they're a thing, but no. Yeah, don't forget the beer physics. I've heard it's actually like, and I haven't actually looked at the trailer. It's even just as like a tech demo for what's possible.

rendered real time on what is like functionally like a 6000 series Radeon card or whatever. I've heard that's pretty cool. I heard that, like, today, though. 5,000 series. It's like a 5,700 XT or something like that, I think. Damn. It looks real good, bro. It looks real good. I'll very likely watch it just for that.

Because people mention, like, okay, a new trailer came out, whatever, and I can play this game for two, three years, what do I care? But then people are commenting, specifically the bubbles.

is the main comment that I saw in the beer yeah apparently they did like beer physics yeah which is pretty wild yeah so like that's cool I'll watch it from like a interested in tech perspective I mean it is one of those things where I feel like we see this Time and time again where the trailer prominently features the main character or characters and when you're like walking around in the world

Everything else still looks like a video game. But with that said, I saw this thread from a... um a graphics artist who was our video game artist that was basically just like here's a bunch of stuff that like people might not have like realized is is so cool about this and it's just i i don't have the link on me right now but if you just like

kind of google that maybe i'll look at that there's so many little details um like they have like raccoons rummaging in trash bins just like to make the world feel alive it I didn't think it would be possible for me to look at the trailer and be like, yeah, that's why they spent 10 years on this. But I looked at the trailer and I went. Oh, perfect. I was hoping this was going to exist. I will watch. I will watch this. This is what I will watch. I will not watch the trailer. I will watch.

Okay. I mean, you know what? Fair enough. I'd say game trailers are a perfect example of a time when React content is 100% ethical. A hundred percent. Sort of a point. Because basically... And the funny thing is, we've actually been copyright struck on WAN Show for showing game trailers and reacting to them live, which... I always thought was,

wild marketing materials. I think if we went to court on that one, we're probably going to get off scot-free because it's pretty clear what the impact is on the original content and it's pretty clear what the intended purpose of what we're doing and how transformative it is and whatever, whatever. Split Scream in full plane chat said that liquid bubble in liquid tech is from Half-Life Alyx. The dev made it public. That's cool.

Neato. Very cool. Anyway, so yeah, sure, fine, fine. Just watch the Digital Founders thing. Just watch it, because it's super cool. And it really does look kind of amazing, even with crappy YouTube compression. All right, what else we got? Oh, you want sponsors? We could do that. Should we do one more topic first? Yeah, we got lost, man. iOS dev responds to Linus's macOS gripes? a very blurry iOS developer has responded to my Mac OS is great unless you try to use it

as a desktop operating system segment on February 28th edition of LAN Show. Yeah. Oh, that is very blurry. Is that a shot at our video? No, no, it's Anonymous Reviews is the channel name. No, that's intentional. The YouTuber Anonymous Reviews has been an iOS developer for about 15 years. He says they're not a fanboy and uses Windows for gaming and editing. The video gets off to a bit of a rocky start, excusing the poor multi-monitor behavior by saying it's better than it used to be.

and we get a detour later on, teasing that I don't know about the control key. You know what? I think that's a criticism that you're going to see from any power user on any platform. Of anyone coming in going, I can't do X. I can open up LinkedIn if I put in an incantation. I can cut. If I combine that X with my control, or command, or whatever, right? And hotkeys, really are the answer to something being not crappy.

Truly, though, not just in a gatekeeper-y, get-good-scrub kind of awful sort of way, but they really can be the answer in a lot of ways. Anyway, sorry, carry on. Otherwise, we get some interesting explanations of how and why Apple does things. TooLong didn't write. Watch. Watch.

Some things are inconsistent and that's bad. Apple should take me up on my offer to consult for a week for free. Apple and the community should be more open about outside input if they want to improve the OS and ecosystem. Discussion questions. Did things get better for you as you used macOS?

Also, a note that part two of our switching to Apple in 2025 should be out next month. Yeah, things did get better. Absolutely. I'd say the first hour, my... infuriated level was here by the third day it was here and then by like you know the end of the month you know it was like kind of down here

Oh, did I kind of come up against challenges that sort of raised the theory? Yeah, definitely. I remembered a couple things, like not first day, where you were genuinely yelling in your office about it, but I think you were also filming clips. Yeah. But, like, the thing is, and I feel like, I don't know, man. I've been doing this so long.

that I've kind of had a take on anything that will annoy someone about something. And I think it's really challenging because I... I think I end up kind of getting misunderstood a lot Because when I criticize macOS, I am not saying that if you like hot dogs, you're basically a big idiot.

If a million people hear you say anything, it's going to be misunderstood by some amount of them. I'm just saying that this is something that hamburgers do better. That's what I'm saying. And I'm not saying the other thing. I'm only saying the thing that I'm saying.

And so I feel like, and it's really interesting, and you can see these kind of these silos of viewership that exist where the people who watch only our iOS stuff or only our, you know, Apple stuff, will have a certain perception of me and the people who watch only our Linux stuff will have a certain perception of me And people who watch only our Windows stuff will have a certain perception of me like these flyby viewers that only watch occasional content when it kind of

piques their interest. So anyone who's listening to me kind of rant about macOS because they only tune in whenever I'm going to talk about macOS is going to have this perception that I hate macOS. But the reality of it is I have entire videos griping about sh** things are in Windows. There's a lot of gripes. An unintuitive design or inconsistent design is the word that I'm using synonymously with unintuitive here because something that is inconsistent is inherently.

unintuitive. Inconsistent design is something that exists across all of these platforms and that we as users should demand be reduced. And so where I think I end up getting sort of adversarial with the community sometimes is when people take the position that it's perfect the way it is, and anyone who doesn't agree is just a hater.

And so that's where, and I tend to find those people in the Apple and Linux communities more than I do in Windows because the Windows community is almost in a way more like humble, if that makes sense. We all know Windows sucks. There's a lot of self-hatred going on. We all kind of hate it. But we accept it because all the applications we want, all the games we want to play, they just run it. So whatever, it is what it is. And there's Pocket.

of the Apple community in particular that are like that they just accept it because it's like well I need final cut. And I kind of acknowledge that this is a very imperfect system for it, but I need Final Cut, so I guess it just is the way it is. If you had no idea what an operating system even was, and you had generalized sentiment from each community, I think you would think that Windows was the least popular operating system. Yeah, I think you could easily come away with that conclusion.

I think you would think Apple is for everyone, Linux stuff is for nerds and techies, and nobody uses Windows. Yeah. No, I don't even think that's like a crazy take. Yeah, I think that's probably what you'd come away with, but the reality of it is that Windows has the lion's share of the market. So, I don't know, man. I forget where I was even going with this. Right, so yeah, yeah, my anger level absolutely went down over time.

But there were definitely things that are just wrong, that are just incorrect in Apple's implementation. and that should be fixed. And I think that as users, we should demand better. And the whole pushback that I get sometimes that's just like, well, you just criticize everything. Why don't you just enjoy it? It's like, well... Like, but,

But it could be better. If it wasn't like this, it would be better. That would be good. Is that not something we should strive for? So then why even listen to me at all? That's, like, my whole job. It's like, here's something that's good about it. I also don't think that's fair. Here's something that's not good about it. Because, like, across the course of a video, I'm sure you praised macOS in that video at some point.

On the LAN show? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did. Because that's, I think, what we're talking about. Oh, not the video? Yeah, LAN show. It was a segment on the February 28th plan show. Okay, sure. But part one of switching to Apple in 2025 came out. Yeah, but he wasn't really responding to that. Yeah, it was the Wancho segment. I don't know how much we were still on the original topic, to be clear. Yeah, I don't know. Anyway. But either way, I don't think it's fair to say that you...

complain about everything. Well, no, of course not. But that's the thing is when people have an emotional connection to it, that's what they hear. That's what they hear. And so it's just like, it's one of those things where I feel like this is part of why. As a media personality, it's really hard to survive over a very extended period of time if you have anything more nuanced than a yes this, no that take, because it's really hard for people to be aligned with Everything is shades of grey.

When these issues are so emotional for people, And I've kind of come around over the years to why these issues are so emotional to people. And it's because we invest in them. We are literally invested. in them. We put our money down and we go, I am Team Pixel. You know? We put our money in. I was, like, mean. And our money... Oh, I've got a dbrand case on it. It doesn't matter. Poor phone. Ah, whatever. It doesn't feel anything. Um...

And to be clear, I am not team Pixel. I actually had a really funny interaction. Yeah, why are you using a Pixel? What's going on? David said, well, because I was using that nothing phone, the 3A Pro. And I was just having like a bunch of just weird annoying bugs with it. Like when I'd get out of my car, it would, it would keep playing on my, like my music from my car would like play on my phone for a little bit and then it would like nod and then.

So I was just like, oh man, there was something else. Oh yeah, it was really hard to get it out of my pocket, which was kind of annoying. giant camera bump on it. There were a handful of things. And so I was like, okay, screw it. It's a couple hundred dollars more. I'm going to get the Pixel 9a. I went the complete opposite direction. It has almost no camera bump, which is really rare these days.

And, dude, I've had so many annoying issues with this thing. And I was actually standing talking to David in the writing room today just about something unrelated. I got on the topic somehow of how, like, everyone's like, yeah, just do... You haven't experienced Android until you've experienced the Pixel. Just get a Pixel. You'll love it.

and I was like, I've had a really hard time with the Pixel. I pulled it out of my pocket, and one of the issues that I've had with it, which is that the ambient light sensor just sucks on this thing, happened. I was like, look how dim this is.

And then I was trying to pull down, you know how you have to pull down your shade like a second time to get your brightness and stuff because they did away with, Swipe and or just bring it all the way down it brings down the whole thing like it freaking used to which was way better Anyway, so I went I tried to swipe it down the second time I tried like

six times and it wouldn't do it and no oh dude that drives me crazy anytime I'm on speakerphone with this thing I try to interact with the phone it's like I'm a multitasker, right? So I'll go to pull down my notification shade while I'm on a call. That's such a pixel problem. And it'll be like... Oh, do you want the screen to turn on? No, I don't. I just want to interact with my phone. So I have to like ninja in there from an angle where it can't see me coming.

I literally cannot access my Plex server from this phone. I don't know if that's because of Plex's dog new app which is also super slow on my iOS so I literally use my iPhone that I was using for the challenge. I am still using it every day for my earphones when I go to sleep because I can't access my Plex server from this phone for whatever reason. That's weird. Again, that could be Plex.

Man, what are the other issues I'm having with? I'm expecting that's Plex, but I don't know. It's probably Plex. Oh, dude, my keyboard constantly doesn't come up. Like, constantly doesn't come up. And I use SwiftKey, so my voice input button will just randomly not work, especially in certain apps.

Like, I can almost never use voice to type with you in Discord. Oh, it's working right now. Look at that. Okay, well, whatever. It often doesn't work. I'll go voice to type, and then it'll just be blank down here. um that could be a swift key issue that could be an android issue either way it's not an issue that i had with my samsung phone before and it's not an issue that i had on that um nothing phone that i was using slightly before this so

It still drives me absolutely crazy that I can't swap the navigation buttons. I have reached out to the Pixel team. And I don't want to update you guys until I have a final answer, but what I will say is I'm extremely f***ing unsatisfied with their response so far. I've got to jump in here. I've got an update from Artie. Oh, yeah. He spoke to the mythical powers behind pricing.

Excellent. I am actually very interested to hear this. Maybe I'll give you the real technical explanation. It appears the global pricing on the Mystery Screwdriver was incorrectly priced at $49.99. The conversion was not applied correctly, and this has unfortunately been fixed. So if you got one for 50 bucks, Good on you. Otherwise, it's now $69.99. Okay, that makes more sense. Sorry.

I think Linus is happy. If you guys were ever wondering what it looks like when I am legitimately perturbed about a price on the site versus when I'm You know, we're doing an aggressive sale. Being an actor. And I am a little bit stressed out, but I'm hamming it up a little bit. That was the difference. Sirius Linus is a very terrifying person. Oh, come on! But it's also extremely useful. You can't use some... Because you don't terrifying like that and then not explain. Okay.

Okay, yeah, that's fine. Sometimes it's very difficult to... He will explain now that he is terrified. I'm sorry. Yeah, you know, he riffs. He riffs, he gets angry, he gets mean, and it's not real. And then, you know... Hey, I need you to do this thing. And I'm being extremely direct. What? Please do the thing. Do I get mean? Do I? What? No, no, no. It's not mean. When have I ever done that? It's just. What's going on? Okay, okay, no, no, no, I wanna... Okay, okay, now, now, hold on a second.

I think I know what we're talking about. Are we talking about the time that I explicitly said not to do a thing? No, no, no. That's very different. Okay. No, this isn't necessarily anything that you've done to me. This is like well documented. It is? yeah like what no i i would i would like to know oh maybe maybe you haven't seen the videos because it's like a behind the teams thing oh is this the what do you think about your boss stuff might be

But I've seen it. He's never going to watch those. No, no. I said I wouldn't. Yeah. I don't know. Stuff like that. It's completely fine. Mean? Not mean. Well, you said mean. Oh, no, no, no. Mean is the playful version. That was super unclear. Oh, I'm so sorry. No, Linus is never, ever mean. Like, ever. Now they're not going to believe you. Now it's too far. I think you just misheard. Mean. No, I really don't think I did. Chat, can you help me out here, chat? Because, oh no.

They say they understood it for the most part. Yeah, so Are they just covering for you? I don't think so. Okay. I hope that Okay, Dan started by saying Linus is mean when he's playing it up as a joke. Okay. Yeah. I thought you meant it's mean when I like act like things are a joke. I did too, right? I've been defending you the whole time. The whole time. Okay. Anyway, so yeah, that's what I look like. I'm not talking again. No, no, no, we like it. Is that because he was too mean?

Was he too mean? No! Shut up! There was a time when I was very direct with Dan. Yeah, and that's very, very useful. Okay. Useful's a word. I think it's important. Yeah, okay. All right. But I would... Look, I would like to think that I'm not mean, but what I discovered this week... He went through his horoscopes for MBAs thing recently, so he got his color blocks.

Oh, did he? So I think that's probably part of what he's like. No, no. No, this communication is good because... Is that not it? No. No, no. Because we were literally talking about before the show how you like shorter and more direct. communication yeah yeah yeah i just think it's it's interesting that you pointed out that that was an example of like actually no you need to go and make sure that this is accurate

I'm not just, oh my god, it's so expensive. You sold it for too cheap, Artie. What are you doing? You're bad at your job. Get out of my sight. It was like, no, can you go and please check this? I have saved it. Okay. It's different. Shoot. My ADD brain did a thing there, and the show's awful. I'm sorry. Now you're calling my show awful. Thank you very much, Dan. You're the producer of it, so... Oh, no, it's my fault!

Okay, shoot, I was going to say something there for a second, then I completely lost it. All right, well, good luck, everybody. Yes, Luke's phone just rang. He's got places to be. chicken to cook. Um... So anyway, yes, that was a situation where I actually was not consulted on the pricing and it really did seem very wrong. Oh right, I remember. So I'd like to think that I'm not mean, or at least that's what I used to think, but I actually filmed the Floatplane exclusive earlier this week.

where Sammy had me reacting to employees here talking about their first interaction with me. So here's the... So here's the thing. That was hilarious. He's definitely not mean. He's never been mean in a professional context. So here's the thing. Watch any of the WAN shows that we have ever done and you're very mean. So here's the thing. Here's the thing, Luke. Every one of those interactions, at least the ones that I can remember or remember some version of, there's a whole bunch of contexts.

in my brain that makes whatever I said a lighthearted joke or banter. recall what they were thinking on their side I was like oh I may need to alter my approach I think sometimes you don't fully grasp the When it's like a new person at the company and you are owner guy. Can you imagine if I had a flatter structure? They don't know. But the people have been here forever, which is the context that I have. They don't give a fuck. Like, they just...

Baby, you gotta consider it's a new person. I, I, look. I don't know. Satin's was hilarious. Emily Seddon from editing. Seddon's was hilarious because she goes on this whole long thing talking about how like it's her first day and it's like her trial day and like The CEO of the company comes by and is like, who are you? That's kind of a big deal. And she's like, I'm here for my trial day. Lou, Lou, Lou. And apparently I was like, oh, good luck. And then I left.

That seems fine. Yeah, but you know me. She doesn't. Wait, but like, what were you supposed to do? Maybe I'm not good. The way she tells the story was very perspective broadening for me. Just like, I don't know, it almost seems like... Maybe I'm a horrible person. Maybe you are. What were you supposed to do? I don't know. not talk to her at all like that's the thing is like that's my natural thing to just be like oh who are you or you know

Ah, man. You're on trial. Okay, good luck. Andrew, I apparently asked on no less than three separate occasions if he was going to introduce himself. Andrew Moore from the shooting department. I asked him on three separate occasions if he was going to introduce himself because I had forgotten him. Oh.

That one's a little rough. And then Vance, our executive assistant, who was hired to be a general executive assistant, but was mostly assigned to me at the beginning. Definitely. He does other stuff. what are you talking about he follows you around well sometimes all the time

Do you have his task list? Because I do. It has lots of things that are not for me. I wonder why only you have it. What? No, I'm not the only one who has it. Colton's his manager. Okay, you're actually being unhelpful right now. He is not exclusively my EM. For a long time, it was kind of that way this no it's not yeah anyway so it's been kind of sometimes one sometimes the other anyway at the beginning he was mostly assigned to me

And his first assignment basically was to just like kind of shadow me and, you know, I don't know, see if there's ways we can find more efficiencies or ways that he can like kind of help me optimize my time better, you know, whatever else. And apparently, after some amount of time of him kind of sitting in my office, like, you know, I don't know, helping take notes for calls. I'm not 100% sure what he was doing. It was like his first couple days or something.

Apparently, I just kind of like turned to him after like some kind of period of awkward silence and I'm like, So am I supposed to, like, talk to you? Okay, so wait, wait, stop, stop. So in my mind, so in my mind, Maybe I'm doing fine. I've never had an EA before. I was concerned. Maybe I'm doing fine. In my mind... I've never had an EA before. I don't know how this works. I literally don't 100% know what your job is because I didn't hire you and I didn't really define the role.

I feel kind of awkward. Just like having a person in my office while I'm working, am I supposed to banter? So I tried to turn it into a lighthearted joke. Didn't land. Yep, didn't land at all. I mean, clearly he made it. He's still here. So, you know, been a couple years now, I think. So that's something. and uh yeah so there's a there's a bunch more lmg.gd slash floatplane it's a banger of an exclusive um So I may have to reevaluate a little bit.

I don't think you will. The reality of it is, I am a very awkward person. And a lot of people assume that YouTubers tend to be extroverts. But it is not necessarily the case. I have certainly met ones that are. But what I have mostly met is introverts who... I don't want to say fake it because Most youtubers that I've met are super real Like they're real. It's just that what they have learned to do is channel their introversion and awkwardness into being very personable to a piece of glass.

You put them in front of a crowd, though, and it is the exception rather than the rule that can do crowd work and handle public speaking and stuff like that. Those are generally the superstars. And even then, even some of the superstars are not comfortable with it. It's not what they would prefer. It just happened by accident because they happened to be really, really good at appealing to a piece of glass while they're alone in a room. Yeah, so I may just be an awkward

introvert guy. Taryn asked me if I wanted to have lunch with a rep from a company at Computex or at dinner or something. And I literally, I've told him before that this is literally why I hired you so that I don't have to talk to people. At some point do you think it's funny? Do you like making awkward scenarios? Um, it's, I mean, I tell this to my kids all the time and it's, it's really like, it's something I generally, generally, genuinely believe.

A joke is funny as long as everyone's laughing. And if the other person is, like, genuinely deeply uncomfortable, then no, it's not funny. But it is funny that... I could go this long and not realize it. That's funny. Like that's a funny thing. That's a funny observation.

It's funny that someone can make a career out of... It's ironic that someone can make a career out of somehow having their personality be appealing to millions of people online. I don't think this is fair. I don't think this line of thinking is fair. And yet be like... I don't think this line of thing is fair at all. And yet be catastrophically awkward in person. We're trying to go like the opposite of this. What? And it's not working. You're not not charismatic.

I think you like, in a comedic sense, awkward scenarios and when other people like it as well, you love it. so you like going out of your way to create them because when the other person enjoys them you find it very fun and not everyone receives that energy I love the office the same way I love faulty towers yeah This doesn't mean that you are necessarily awkward.

You don't think so? No. It means that you like creating awkward scenarios because sometimes they're really funny. That doesn't mean that you're awkward. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, no, yes, 100%. No, no, yes, yes, yes. But then you're saying that it's ironic that someone who... is awkward, but you're not. But you haven't watched the video yet. No, I'm being real right now. Yeah, but you like creating these scenarios. Yeah, but I didn't know that they took it that way.

Like, I genuinely... There's no way you didn't know the Vance one. Have you watched it? Um, am I supposed to talk to you? There's no way you didn't know that. I don't believe you. I thought it was funny. Right, because you like, you find awkward situations funny. Well, yeah, but I thought he'd be, I thought he'd think it was funny too. But that doesn't mean that you're awkward. But he didn't.

But that's the awkward part. That means that you thought it would be funny. The awkward part is that I thought he would think it's funny. Right, but you interact with people constantly, and the fact that some of them are awkward interactions does not mean that you're an awkward person. People don't tell me this.

Because by the time people are able to have that conversation with me, we've built a rapport and we're like, I guess they're over it or whatever. Like, Seddon and I are good. Vance and I are good. So this only came up. Because I'm watching this exclusive at a time when they're comfortable talking about it.

But they didn't bring it up to me at the time. I didn't know that it was actually uncomfortable for them. How would they have done that? No one's going to do that. I know. Maybe you not knowing that makes you awkward. Yes, that's what I'm trying to say. But you did know that. You just said that I know That I know what? that they're never going to bring that up. Well, yeah!

Yeah. But you're going to do it anyways, and not because you're awkward. You're going to do it anyways because you think it might be funny. Well, I'll do it if I think they're also going to think it's funny. And you're going to think that they're going to think it's funny every time because you don't know these people and you would prefer that they would think it's funny. It's not that you're awkward. I'm not going to. Well, that's pretty awkward. Hold on, I'm trying to find a thing. Oh, man.

This feels reminiscent of the cheese combo. I mean, I can imagine what I would feel like if I didn't get Linus's Who the F is Dan better. But there was so much actual real context around that, right? It wasn't just I'm in a room with him or anything like that. The series of events that would have led him to just give me the master key with no context.

is hilarious, but I have context around that. Not everyone necessarily has all the... That's what I was trying to say at the very beginning of this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that not everybody has the context that I have in my brain when I make an offhand remark like, who the f*** is Daniel Besser? That was our first...

So what I realized watching this is that, yes, I intentionally create these awkward situations. No, I did not consider the lack of context that made it genuinely uncomfortable in some cases. No, I didn't. You're fishing in a lake with a lot of different types of fish. Oh, yeah. And just because you catch the wrong one, sometimes you're still going to keep casting.

uh i will i will try hard or not to i mean i had um i we didn't talk about this on i talked to you about this after the party but not on we haven't talked about it on the show so i was at a party recently where I ended up in a very socially awkward situation with someone who is a big fan of a particular figure in the tech space.

That was me completely misreading a situation, ending up in a very awkward encounter that turned heated on me in a way that I didn't anticipate. I got very passionate and enthusiastic the way I am. apt to what um and no i will tell you that i ran into a situation uh it's either Yesterday? Oh, no. Oh, you were there for it. I ran into a situation with a salesperson very recently with you where I was saying something critical about the thing that they were selling.

And they escalated extremely quickly. yeah he knows what I'm talking about right now I believed you but it's taking me a second that was wild if I hadn't If I hadn't had the recent experience that I had arguing with someone whose convictions are clearly so strong about something that no amount of logic or reason or anything is going to change anything about it.

I may have continued engaging with that individual. As much as it shouldn't have, that played a non-insignificant role in the final decision to not oh that's interesting yeah um yeah that was that was like super weirdly aggressive when nothing was personal and i was just talking about the product that was for sale see but that's almost an argument against you being awkward no no what i'm saying is i'm learning

Yeah, but everybody... Honestly, if anything, I think this revelation for you means that you're probably less awkward than the vast majority of people and more charismatic because you're only starting to realize this now. Because I think most people are more awkward way more often, so they're aware of it.

Oh, man. I don't know, dude. I don't think you saying that you're awkward is legitimate or would stand up in a court of social law. I am definitely... Everyone has awkward moments. I am learning. There. I will say that. Ideally, everyone is. And that reaction video was eye-opening for me. I will try to be more cognizant of the sorts of jokes that I make with people I am meeting for the very first time. That is what I learned. In fact, I say lean into it.

it up sometimes lean into it let this be a known thing you start here your boss is gonna say something incredibly offensive I used to literally do it in interviews. This is not the first time you've learned this before. It's part of the company culture. It's a form of haze. But we are not that company anymore, and we can't be. We're too big now. No, I know, but this is what I mean. It's just another step. Well, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But everyone's learning all the time. Right. And it was awkward when I did it in interviews. And it's awkward when I do it on the first day. And some... Someday, maybe years from now, I will figure out that it's awkward when I do it three months later. Linus, you're not awkward. You're just unprofessional. Thanks, Dan. I don't know if he's going to pervert that. Oh, what even is this show? Well, let's see if our sponsors still think we're professional.

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Okay Luke, get it over with. So AJ apparently pointed out that Linus asked him to introduce himself like four times, and also at the first LTX, Linus thought AJ was a fan. To be fair, I think that was the first time you guys met each other. so it kind of makes sense given the context of the situation because i don't think aj had one of the the shirt and I will pair it with

uh, the awkwardness of me hiring AJ to bring things off of Linus for a second. Um, I think you probably remember this story, but AJ was the first person that I hired like by myself. And I thought it was really weird that someone was joining the company and had never talked to Yvonne. which doesn't matter anymore and is like totally normal, but at that point in time was genuinely weird.

She handled onboarding and a lot of stuff. She was part of every hiring before then, I think, to a certain degree. She even helped me review resumes back when I hired you at NCIS.

There's no way, right? Like, we're such a huge company. Not even just Yvonne. Like, most people aren't going to know anything about it when you're brought on because we're so big. But, back then it was weird so i i just like i was on the phone with him talking about it and then i was just like oh yeah you should like talk to yvonne and i just handed the phone to yvonne

And they both just sat there and were like, uh. And you know, both are personalities. They would both do that. And it's like, didn't really say anything. It was incredibly awkward. And I just threw them both into this scenario with no prep, no planning, no instructions on, like, maybe what they should talk about or anything. Eventually, I just, I don't remember what happened after that, but I think I eventually just took the phone back and was like, sorry. So yeah, my bad.

Yeah, you actually can be quite awkward too sometimes. It's in a different way though. He's like an aggressive kind of awkward and I'm like an offensive kind of awkward. it's like okay a big part of my sense of humor

is saying something that I think is so ridiculously stupid or so ridiculously outlandish or offensive that nobody could possibly take it seriously. And then where I run into trouble... is that a lot of people take it seriously either because they have no idea anything about me so and they just know the position and they have people in their lives who are that stupid or that mean or whatever and so they just like assume that that's actually my real

thoughts or my real demeanor or you've got people that just don't pick up social cues and even when I like laugh after are just like Oh, he's mean. Or they suddenly think that you are totally on their side, and this is something that they are totally for. Which one was that? oh yeah well yeah so anyway and then it's like uh oh yeah so a lot of the time i accidentally say stuff that is like plausible to people even though to me It's like ridiculous, right? I use verbal irony a lot.

And it is not quite the same thing as sarcasm. Sarcasm is cutting. Whereas verbal irony is just saying one thing and meaning the complete opposite. So I will say something. Like, we'll be talking about Nestle, and I'll say, but obviously water isn't a fundamental human right anyway. I mean, what makes humans more entitled to it than fish? So...

Realistically, if people are dying because they don't have access to Nestle, then they should prioritize their profits. I suspect that the WAN show audience of any audience that you have will understand that more. probably more pretty often do that on way because they see me free flow it more but they also like miss it sometimes yeah oh absolutely i'm just saying Curiosity says Nestle. What's that pronunciation? That pronunciation is the pronunciation. Anybody think that accent aigu is? Um...

Guys, that is the... That's how you pronounce it. I'm pretty... Dude. Man, if I'm wrong about this, I'm just, I'm done with the show today. AJ's here. I think they're saying it's Nestle. Is that what they think it is? No, they think it's Nestle. That's how a man can say it? Yeah. Is this like them saying niche instead of niche? Have you never heard Nestle? Nestle. Yeah. There's no way you've never heard that. It's always Nestle. I don't talk to Americans.

Apparently. I think most Canadians call it Nestle as well. Maybe I was just hearing Nestle when they said Nestle. Probably. I'm pretty sure most English-speaking Canadians say Nestle. Yeah, I just Assumed. Apparently, in the English-speaking world, the ads do pronounce it Nestle. Interesting. However, the actual spelling of it

This is a French accent, which is present in the branding. Let's play it. Here, hold on. No, no, no, that's fine. Oh no, are we going to be wrong for the first times in our lives? No. Could never happen. Yeah, so if you look... This is an accent aigu, and it means a.

Ah, like, okay, I was going to say terminé, but that's actually with two E's instead of an accent, I think. Anyway, so like a French word with an E at the end that has that accent, even if it's not at the end. It sounds like AJ's saying that he pronounces it that way. Well, yeah, because it's French, and because it's a French word with a French accent on it, but English doesn't have accent aigu, so we just say Nestle, apparently, even though that would be pronounced Nestle.

which is an actual word, so why we pronounce it Nestle. Maybe Nestle did that on purpose so that we wouldn't think their name was Nestle. I'm not sure. I don't know the origin, but apparently... Apparently, they do use Nestle in their marketing, according to Float Plane Chat. People don't believe me. They're like, look it up on an actual product, like Nestle Quick. It's there, look.

See? Accent? They flatten it. They flatten the accent. They also have it over the other letters. I thought it was just a design thing. No, they sometimes don't have it over the other letters. Here, hold on. Yeah, here on this one. Oh, no, no, that one is over the other letters. No, you're right. うーん I don't think it always is, though. Fred said on Floatplane, what about fiance? Fiance, I think it does have that accent. It does.

But so many English words have French origins, and that's why we pronounce them the way that we do. But unless you actually took French in school or whatever, you don't recognize... those things that were either part of the French and English languages simultaneous development and sort of came from the Latin origin versus things that were just kind of picked up from each other in our dialects. Yeah, there's a ton of words.

that are English words, but we kind of pronounce in a French way just because, like, originally they were French words or, like, whatever. But it also applies to multiple other languages. A hundred percent. I do know that in England, back in the old days, they used to say nestles. Um...

And even the commercials had that, too. They also came up with the word soccer and then are now mad at other people for using it, so I don't know. But the big question is why are we giving any airtime to an evil company that steals people's drinking water? That's a good question.

call. Yeah, we should just keep pronouncing their name wrong. Yeah, let's call them Nestle from now on. Yeah, I'm going with Nestle. No one will be able to find any information about them because they're going to look up Nestle. They're going to be like birds getting in a little nest. nestling in there. Yeah. They won't even find chocolate drink. What are we supposed to be talking about? Just more topics until you're done with the topics. VMware stuff?

Liquid cooler innovation? Uh, sure. Oh yeah, we talked about... Did we even talk about the... Did we even read the notes on the GTA 6 trailer? No. I don't think literally at all. May 2nd, Rockstar announced the release date for GTA 6. No, no, it's fine. We talked about it enough. Don't care? Cool. It's not that we don't care. It's just that we did kind of cover most of it. Not coming to PC for a while. Doesn't matter to me. Cool.

Alright, I'm going to collapse some of the ones we've done already. Do you want to do the AI roundup? Good lord is there for a lot this week. There's no spicy stuff. There's no spicy stuff? No, I said there's some spicy stuff. Oh, good. Because, yeah, wow, I was not on the same page as you there, sir. The first one is wild. Yeah, hit me. So the first mini topic is judge accepts AI testimony from dead man.

Christopher Pelkey was killed in a road rage incident in 2021 where he was shot in the chest. An AI avatar created by the victim's family who was seeking the maximum sentence was allowed to address the court and the AI's testimony included forgiving the accused and saying they might have been friends. The Hollinger says nitpick, since there are a lot of words in English from French, but English is Germanic and Nordic in origin, not Latin. The Latin influences came later. Thank you.

carry on okay uh the judge seemed to be moved by the testimony saying to the victim's family i heard the forgiveness And you allowed Chris to speak from his heart as you saw it. I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence. But then the judge handed down the maximum sentence anyway of ten and a half years. What did we just witness here? There are so many layers of f***ed up to unpack. What? So, So the victims... So the prosecution side...

The relatives of the murdered guy make an AI based on presumably some kind of record... His brain's broken. Some kind of records of the guy who was killed, right? The AI, the judge allows the AI avatar to Did they question like a live LLM that had an animated avatar or is this a video? I believe so. That's my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong. Please chat. Jump in there. Jump in there.

The judge allowed the AI avatar to be interviewed, to testify, and then the AI forgave the accused, saying they might have been friends. And then the judge said, I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence, but then handed down the maximum sentence anyway, which apparently the prosecution was seeking. So this whole like. AI testimony thing could have backfired on them super hard. It's a statement written by the person's wife as the AI avatar? Is that what it was?

Video for impact statement. Okay, hold on. Stacy Wales, Pelkey's sister, and his brother-in-law both work in the AI field. When Wales suggested bringing her late brother to life like that, she said her husband was more than hesitant. He recoiled, Wales told NBC News, and he said, Stacy, do you know what you're asking me to do? This is my best friend.

And I said, I know, it's my brother. And then he said, if this isn't perfect, if this doesn't go out and really embody the spirit of Chris, I'm not going to let this be shown. Okay, so it's just an AI avatar reading the impact statement. Yeah. What? Okay, it's less stupid. That's still... I thought that was the only way it would ever happen. That's still... Okay, that's... Okay, we gotta... Okay, it would have been nice to have that detail in here. I don't think that makes it last nuts.

The defendant's attorney called the presentation inflammatory and said it created a strong issue for appeal. I actually like kind of agree which is sort of unfortunate because obviously I would just If they found the guy guilty, I would just like to see justice served at this point rather than us dragging this out. But I feel like you're setting precedence almost. Well, I mean, this whole thing is precedent-setting, like...

So you reanimate... It was post-conviction, but before sentencing. But then, hold on a second, why... So, if they're... The victim's family, who was seeking the maximum sentence, remember that for later, was allowed to arrest the court, and then the judge was moved by it, saying... You allowed Chris to speak from as hard as you saw it. I didn't hear him asking for the maximum sentence.

And then gave the maximum sentence anyway. So they just wrote a victim statement that contradicted the sentence they were seeking and the sentence that was given. They're like, they already found him guilty. I know, I know, but this is like sentencing, right? Like sentencing is part of just seeing justice served out according to our current system, whether you agree with it or not.

I want to move on. Meta's AI app lets you see what others are doing with generative AI. The Verge calls it a mashup of Pinterest and everything annoying about threads. with a sprinkling of generative AI on top. That's a great comparison. It's hard to explain. Look at these examples. Mixing food and fashion. Gary V, so Gary Vaynerchuk, tells a 98-year-old that he's still got time to make it on Meta.

Is that mixing food and fat? No, that's the second one. Sorry, I was more interested in this one. I saw him speak in person once. That one's listed as Gary V yelling at an old man. Yeah, okay. I'm going to go with Can't Escape the Clown. Imagine a room without a clown in it. You can make the room however you want, in whatever style you want, but do not put a clown in the room. Wait, so what? It always puts a clown in the room?

There's always a clown in the room. Why is there? Luke, why is there always a clown in the room? I don't know if we could have had a pre-prompt or something. That's weird. I don't know. Okay, so what's the point of this? I mean, I guess if our social media is just all going to be AI-generated slop, then we might as well just be forthcoming with that. Yeah, apparently people are cheating in Counter-Strike now. They're not even at their computer.

It's just AI's playing the whole game. So the AI is aimbotting, but it's also just entirely a bot. And it's not even someone playing the game. This is happening in lobbies to try to get like, I don't know, I'm assuming drops or whatever. I have no idea. Cases, I don't know, something.

And it's, like, fairly widespread in public matches, apparently. It is clear. You know what? I actually noticed the last few times that I was playing Counter-Strike, like, for videos, that just dropping into a public match is flipping hard now.

Like, I'm just getting, I am getting, like, blown away from all over the map in a way that, like, I'm not good at Counter-Strike. Like, I'm not good at Counter-Strike. But it seems like a new level. Part of that is I think a lot of people don't play multiplayer games for, like, fun anymore. But I'm just going into public lobbies, though. It's a competitive career. Like the amount of people that literally just sit in AIM trainers for hours. Dude, but my MMR is trash.

It was on, like, the LTD benchmark account. Like, there's no way. Maybe John is just a killer at Counter-Strike. I mean, that's possible. You never know. He could be just in there popping heads. It's clear we need to bring back LAN gaming like faster. and harder than ever.

Like, let's go whale land. Wait, did I update people? The city of Surrey seems very amenable and they're like super duper working on it. I know you told me, but I don't know if it was on the show right now. Yeah, I can't remember. All right.

whatever we met the mayor we had a really good chat about like let's let's go gaming esports badminton we're gonna make it happen yeah it's gonna be awesome next one has ai broken university multiple stories of game traction this week calling attention to the trend of students relying on ai

To complete university coursework, and the struggle of universities to adjust to the new reality headlines uh new york mag or ny mag whatever uh everyone is cheating their way through college and new yorkers other headline was will the humanities survive artificial intelligence Quotes from students. This is an oddly written article. Quotes from students.

college is just how well i can use chat gpt at this point another one is i spent so much time on tiktok hours and hours till my eyes start hurting which makes it hard to plan and do my schoolwork this is very honest With chat GPT, I can write an essay in two hours that normally takes 12.

wow dr mike perkins a generative ai researcher told the guardian that ai detection software is unreliable yeah and they are very easily tricked yeah um has research has research found his research found that AI detectors could detect AI text with an accuracy of 39.5%. but with minor manipulations of the text and other simple evasion techniques, accuracy dropped to just 22.1%. A tool that is 22% effective is not a tool.

That's a novelty. Can we stop live editing the doc by any chance? It keeps bouncing around. Not me. I literally just had to scroll to find where I was at. Oh my goodness. Is that you, Dan? Researchers at the University of Reading, I believe, conducted a blind test in 2024, submitting ChatGPT written answers through the university's own exam system, and 94% of the AI submissions went undetected.

and received higher scores than those submitted by the humans. Oh no. We're cucked. The discussion question on this is actually the main reason why I wanted to talk about it. Are you going to insist your kids go to college? No. The one thing that I want my kids to do is pursue entrepreneurship.

because I've had this conversation on WAN countless times so I'm not going to rehash the whole thing but basically There is an unlimited ceiling on, you know, pursuing something better and newer and different. whereas there is always going to be a finite ceiling on

doing the same task over and over and over and over and over again. And I think part of that comes from being an entrepreneur and part of that comes from working in a creative industry where even our McJobs, for the most part, are not McJobs, because there's no such thing as, like,

You just move the thing. You move the thing from point A to point B in accordance with the way that corporate prescribes There's room for user input on literally, I'm trying to think of a job here that this is not true for, like literally every position here requires you to engage your bloody brain.

And so I would like for my kids that they not get bored. And this is actually something that I learned from Taryn, who basically goes, When you're not learning anything anymore, that's when it's time to leave your current place of work. For him, obviously, other factors like location and pay, these are all considerations, obviously. But the red line is when I am not learning anything anymore, It's time to go.

And so I would like for wherever they land, I would like for them to have that always learning always pursuing something higher mindset. That's good. I don't think, because some people are going to take this all as advice, and I think some of that is probably good to take as advice. I don't think necessarily pushing every single kid with every single set of opportunities into entrepreneurship is, Okay, it's not what he said.

It's not what he said. Oh, yeah, no, not necessarily. My kids are privileged. They have a safety net. It's a lot easier to experiment with entrepreneurship. And, I mean, probably the best possible route they should go. I do agree. I'm just saying some people are going to take this. in a way that it wasn't, which is it's not advice. The question was what he will do. And you know what? They might not even pursue that, right? One of my kids wants to be a vet.

You can't just be a vet by not going to university. That's not how that works. You actually need to go to veterinary. You are going to medical school just for animals instead of for people. And so whatever they want to do, we want to be supportive. Maybe they'll do something with turquoise. all right uh next one new ai model lets robots clean up homes it's never seen before The PI05 is a VLA, Vision Language Action Model, general enough to be useful in entirely new environments.

The model enables a cleaning robot to understand semantic context and to infer the structure of a task. For example, when cleaning the kitchen, knowing what items are appropriate to pick up and put away and where to put them. So I guess I could look in a cupboard and see if the plates are there or whatever. It's also possible to coach the bot through multiple steps of a complex process with natural language. This is the kind of stuff I think people want from AI in its defense.

uh ai recruiter glitching goes viral tiktok user itsken04 posted a recording of part of a job interview her first meeting with a prospective employer in which the ai recruiter repeats vertical bar pilates more than a dozen times. The AI was part of a platform called Appropria, or sorry, Appropria. which claims to help companies hire 87% faster and interview 93% cheaper.

comments on the video were almost universally against the use of AI interviewers with one noting that if they're not taking the time to interview me, I'm not taking the time to try to work there. This is a huge thing. I don't know how much you've heard about this. I haven't heard anything. A lot of places are using this stuff and people hate it. Okay, tell me this. Tell me this and I'm about to find something out so I'm

f***ing around right now, and I might be about to find out, do we use AI for our hiring? No. You don't have to give me the corporate puffery version, do we? No. At all. Not as far as I know. Okay, and well, you have hired people in the last weeks, so if you don't know, then I assume... I think my no is a pretty good answer. I'm not involved in all the hiring but I've done hiring recently. We have a person who's

still under probation, so I'm not going to need them, but we have a person on the labs team that is new. So clearly within the last 90 days. No part of that involved. Okay. All right.

And do we feel that that is the best path? As of right now, I would say yeah. Yeah, okay. I don't know if I'll hold that line forever, but I mean, I... I think I mentioned last week that almost every interaction I had with a chat-based LLM recently had hallucinations in it, despite the fact that people are saying hallucinations are going down.

I decided to try to push that even further, and that record is still standing. I don't have an example. But it's nearly constant. The one that I started running into recently was that it can't get dates right. I was trying to get it to deal with a timetable. Not a check-in, check-out thing, but what is the plan over the course of this week? Blah, blah, blah. And it kept saying, let me look at the calendar. It would say Saturday, May 11th.

Wait. No. yeah right okay it doesn't look immediately wrong though yeah and this is my big problem with the whole people's perceptions on AI hallucinations is I think a lot of the times they're just looking at it surface level. And a lot of the things that it's going to be wrong on require at least one step of looking into it. And people don't understand the whole part where it's a really great... kickoff tool for research. It's a really great, like,

writer's block solver. It's a really great bouncing off tool. Yeah, I used it to help name the Smash Champs Badminton Center. Sweet. I had it help me come up with just like combinations of words but it still requires you and i think a lot of people are just trying to take its output and just crap it out and it's like man that is not you're not gonna have a good time. Like, there's so many things that are just slightly wrong. Like, if you go with that, like, Saturday, May 11th thing,

and then book something using the date of the 11th, you just horrifically screwed up. Right. Neat. And in, like, such a basic way. And when someone questions, like, how did you book this on the wrong day? Like, it was obvious when it was supposed to be. And you're like, well... That's not going to stand up. It's on you. I don't know. Anyways. Unless everyone else involved in whatever that occasion was also relies on an LLM for daily tasks and they're like, oh yeah, yeah.

It's possible. Yeah, but that's a lot of mistakes. We'll see. We'll see how things go, but as of right now, no. This is cool. Having a perpetual license for software now means that you can get a cease and desist. Excuse me? I've talked about this in the past, how TeamViewer kept soliciting me to buy a subscription when what I actually had was a perpetual license for TeamViewer 12, By the way, I still own and no, I do not have a team viewer subscription.

They have stopped, by the way, so you don't need to hate TeamViewer anymore or less than you already do right now. But I have talked in the past about this strategy that companies have where they will sell you a perpetual license to their product. And then in order to get out of that, they will introduce a new product. That is that product, but version number plus one. And then they will force you to buy a subscription for it.

I politely told TeamViewer to f*** right off with that and stop trying to sell me your subscription because I bought a perpetual license and I'm going to keep using it. But it looks like that strategy might not have worked here. Over the last several weeks, VMware users have been receiving cease and desist letters from Broadcom who purchased VMware back in November of 2023. After the acquisition, VMware ended the sale of the perpetual licenses, including ending support for those users.

This was done to push their subscription model, which also increased by 300% or more after the acquisition.

This cease and desist letter states that any implementation of updates past the expiration date must be immediately removed slash deinstalled, adding Any such use of support past the expiration date constitutes a material breach of the agreement with VMware and an infringement of VMware's intellectual property rights, potentially resulting in claims for enhanced damages and attorney's fees.

This left some users confused, since they technically haven't received any updates or security patches since the support ended anyway. So, I guess, um, f*** you, Abroadcom? Oh, yeah, continued. Yeah. It's funny, because, like, wasn't VMware already, like, kind of hated? I don't think they were particularly well-liked. Maybe not, but I don't think I would go as far as to say they were hated. I think it was one of those things where like... Okay, chat's...

Hold on, chat. Let us know. I don't know. I thought that was a thing. Yeah, people say a bit. I think it was a bit. People didn't like it, but I think people didn't like it in the way that a lot of people... I don't think people didn't like it as a tool. I think people love it as a tool, but didn't like the... and the fact that that is so much more now uh okay yeah The acquisition was a while ago, so I don't know if they... I don't know.

Yeah, okay. It seems like either yes or meh. Someone says they're not that bad until they got acquired. Okay. Either way, yeah, that sounds terrible. Man, this can't be legal. You know, perpetual license. That perpetual has a meaning, and I get your T's and C's or whatever. You can change your finger. Liquid cooler innovation is about to skyrocket. Famed cooling innovator and also patent troll, Ace Attack, has had a stranglehold on the AIO water cooler market for years.

20 years ago, they patented integrating the pump into the CPU cold plate in an AIO cooler, aka the design that basically everyone uses. Since then, they have become less of a cooling innovation company and more of a patent trolling company, successfully taking Cooler Master, Corsair, and Coolit Systems to court and winning.

Last year when they were unable to get a patent extension, their stock price dropped 40% in one day. And if you have a look at their stock price over the last year, we're off Things are looking so bad for Ace Attack, they might be getting acquired soon, which is now

This could potentially lead to a bunch of innovation in the cooling space, though, or at least just price drops in the AIO cooler market, because any company can now make a CPU cooler with the pump and the cold plate integrated and do whatever they want with it. It'll probably just lead to cheaper coolers though, which is also cool.

uh what else we got this week uh oh my goodness there's so many okay eb games back from the dead i thought i said no for this topic that may have been a misclick sorry uh whoever prepped that i'm so sorry gamestop canada is becoming eb games again or something at all. Delete Me, a sponsor we've worked with in the past, gets mildly controversied.

A privacy-focused YouTuber named Reject Convenience released a video titled, What Delete Me and Incogni Aren't Telling You? And it has received some attention from the YouTube slash tech community. It's actually a great video. Y'all should go watch it. The video dives into how your data is collected, who holds it, and the difficulty involved in trying to remove that information and the limitations on services like DeleteMe and Incogni.

Reject convenience emphasizes the importance of understanding these technologies and their limitations and criticizes the talking points that these services provide to creators considering them to be misleading. and says that the services may not be a good value for most people. The YouTuber also reiterates that we really need more robust privacy laws that protect our personal information, and we need them soon. Speak to your representatives.

DeleteMe and Incogni have both provided positive responses to the video, which Reject Convenience has posted on his blog. Again, go watch the video. It's really well made. Also, apparently we got a subtle shout-out. Using DeleteMe has actually made noticeable improvements for me as a public-facing creator. I've actually seen a reduction in spam calls since using the service.

And it does make it that much more difficult to find my personal information. If anyone really put their mind to it, I'm sure they could find more about me than I even want to think about. But often just making something a little more difficult makes people less likely to do it. It says Adam. Oh, okay. That was from Adam. That was from the video. Yeah, I thought it was from the video as well. I was like, I don't remember this. Okay. Oh, okay. Interesting. I should...

Okay, yeah, we should come up with a way. He did actually put a paragraph break there, so yeah, we should have realized that that was just Adam's notes. Alright, our discussion question here is what steps is Linus Media Group taking to ensure that our sponsor talking points for Delete Me are... fully representative of the product going forward. We've already worked with them on revising the talking points and we're going to make sure that we get that sorted out for you guys.

Alright, what else we got here? We can leave out... Skype is dead. Yeah. It died. Okay, it's died. 22 years after the launch, Skype is dead. Cool. That was a short topic. Should upload that one as a clip. We have some deets about the ROG Ally 2. Photos and specs of two pre-production models of the new ROG and Xbox co-branded Ally 2s have leaked from an Indonesian certification office and FCC listing.

Looks like we're getting the same 120Hz LCD screen, a new shape reminiscent of the PS Portal with full controller grip, and a fairly significant bump in performance for the higher-end model. Specs we know with fairly high certainty. So here's a little table. Let's go. Here's the black version. 35 watts. Zen 5. Zen 5. Let's go. Radio on 890M. Let's go. Similar to an AMD HX370 with four CPUs disabled. Pretty impressive benchmark so you can find the benchmarks elsewhere.

We still don't know when they're coming for how much or how tightly integrated the Xbox functionality will be. All right. That's it for topics. It's time for after dark. Yes. More like after Dork. I think we surprised him with that one. It's going to take a second. Now he's got it. I believe it. It's already after Dork. Boom. Got him. How dare you. I was in the middle of messaging Chewie to turn that into a LMG clip. How dare you doubt this man. This man is doing so much.

Now you're just being patronizing. Just because you have social awkwardness issues. people would not think I'm mean. Does not mean that that interaction was bad. Now he's just being mean. I take everything I say back. I hate it here. Wow that sniff was synchronized. Oh sorry. Very cool.

Really not feeling 100%. Oh, I should have given you a heads up today. I totally forgot. Okay, well, I'm not feeling 100%. At least he's not leaving the country. Yeah, right. It would be pretty funny if Luke got sick on a trip again. Cool. Every time. Every time. Every time. Okay. Well, congratulations on being sick. Thanks. Now. That's good. Or later. Later. Not very much later. Probably like... right when I get there. Cool.

For what it's worth, I think it's bacterial, so if I had antibiotics, I'd probably be better by now, but I didn't really bother. Then want to get those the same way as last time? I don't think I've acknowledged that publicly, how I got those drugs. Have I? No. Okay, cool. There's ways to get drugs that are not a doctor. Stealing. There's all kinds of doctors. Yeah. Yeah. There's lots of different kinds of doctors. You know, they got all kinds of doctors. All right, what are we talking about?

loved the recent video on DIY batteries. Of all the projects you and the team have worked on, which one made you gain the most quote-unquote unexpectedly useful knowledge and skills? Stuff that you end up using a lot. Oh. バイバイ Oh, man. There's so many videos now that I have a really, really hard time coming up with. a video, sometimes

One where I gained skills unexpectedly. Oh, boy. Unexpectedly useful. Not that you gained the skill unexpectedly. Yeah. But the skill ended up being useful in the rest of your life and you did not expect it. Maybe that helps, but I doubt it. Yeah, uh, uh, wow. I mean, yeah. That's cool, though.

What message? I mean, here's one. Yeah, here's one. Okay, I'm gonna get my license to drive the fire truck. Are you actually? Yeah. It turns out it's not that bad. You just you just have to get like the air brake certification you don't actually have to get like a class 3

because it's it's only dual axle yeah so it's it's like really not that bad apparently we thought it was going to be like a 20 hour course but it's like a one day thing so i'm I think me and the Alex's and anyone else who wants to do it are going to do it at the same time. So I haven't seen it on the schedule yet, but we're going to do it pretty quick. Cool. So that's something I unexpectedly am going to learn, but I didn't learn it from that. You know what? I'm standing by it. Alright, hit me.

Sure, I think. What has been the most unexpected piece of feedback or insight you've gained from your audience that influenced your approach to creating content? So many unexpected things. Yeah, I didn't realize they were all this today. Yeah, um... It's an unexpected piece of feedback. I think something that changed our approach over the last 10 years or so was realizing how important the role of this oasis where we can just talk about and think about tech was for people.

I think that there have been times when we have delved into other issues that people have just Told us point blank not because they sit on one side of the issue or the other side of the issue or whatever But I've just told us like hey you guys are my respite from thinking about everything that's going on in the world right now whether it's then or now or whatever and can we just not and I guess that one's top of mind for me because there's been a lot more of that feedback lately

as we've engaged in conversation on the changes from the recent U.S. administration with respect to import tariffs. And I think the thing that's really tough is when people say, hey, can you not talk about politics? It's like, well... It's kind of hard to avoid sometimes. You know, it's like when we're talking about net neutrality or right to repair or, hey, all your sh** is going to cost way more. Those are not... in my mind sometimes, political conversations. They're just some facts.

But, Over time, more and more things feel like they are becoming politicized. if that makes sense. It's not because they're inherently political. Even liking a certain activity that has deeply nothing to do with politics. is politicized. Sure. Like going to the shooting range, for instance. Sure. I could see that. It can even be like more chill than that. Like liking a certain type of sport. Really? Yeah. Ugh. It's pretty wild. That's lame. It's not cool. No? No. I'm not chill with it. Yeah.

I just want my tech videos. So basically I'm trying to say I hear you loud and clear and we try but there are situations where When you've got a particular political party that is like, not doing anything useful for right to repair or obstructing it or whatever. or She's not even calling him out. That just happens on both sides. Yeah, that's a very both sides thing. I intentionally chose that.

or when you have a particular side that is not handling privacy very well or is enacting super stupid legislation that's objectively stupid and we can all just agree is stupid if we're not being brainwashed. then we've got to call that out, right? That's how democracy works. That's the whole point.

is that regardless of what team, you know, they're on my team or they're on your team or whatever, regardless of what team someone's on, we're supposed to be able to call it out when it's like, Oh yeah, our solution to gatekeeping explicit content online is to create a giant honeypot of everyone's personal information in a super unsecured way it's like well no that's objectively a bad idea and we should push back on it no matter who's in charge, right?

So, but I just feel like there's less and less room for that. I don't know why this whole thing, like, just somewhere to not talk about politics or whatever made me think of this, but every once in a while I think about threads like this on the forum. This thread has almost 60,000 replies. It's 11 years old. It's at the point now where it's actually costing significant amounts to store the data for it.

Not that serious. Well, measurable amounts. How about measurable? We could measure it. Someone could. Someone could. We won't. It wouldn't be worth it. Yeah. But yeah, and it's just, I mean, you look at the rules, and it's just like...

i don't know do the thing that makes sense for this post who is number one and number two number three is have fun and number four is just keep it civil and it's like cool guys that last one is becoming harder and harder it is but just have fun and keep it fun and that's the rule is keep it fun All right, Dan. Hit me. Can you have maybe not a downer this time? Can you do that? Linus, what's an unexpected... Oh, no, wait. Hey, um...

Sure, this one's not a downer. Hey, LLD, Linus, you often announce things with a sing-songy way. Where do you think you picked that up from? I think that's pretty normal. Sing songy. Song songy. Song songy. The song songy way. I don't know. I never really thought about it. I did sing as a child. I am good enough to know that I suck so I don't often sing but I am capable of it a little bit so maybe it's something that I do just naturally.

Maybe I had some childhood influence that I never noticed. I truthfully have not really thought about it at all. I think that's pretty normal. Okay, cool. Yeah. There's no way I'm doing any singing right now. I have a sore throat. He's not listening, that's good. Okay, Dan hit me. Hello, Linus. I'm trying to resist buying a motorcycle. Don't. What got you into it? Don't resist it. How do you stay safe on the road? And how does Yvonne feel about it? All the gear, all the time. Yvonne hates it.

Oh, by the way, speaking of motorcycles. You're not done yet. Speaking of motorcycles, are you ready to lose? I know you're not done yet. Are you ready to lose, though? If you aren't done, I haven't lost yet. Okay, hold on a second. I gotta send a thing to Dan. I gotta send a thing to Dan. I... Have to send a thing to Dan. It's not done yet. How do I do this? I'm not even concerned. Share. Hold on. Share with Daniel. Just email it in front.

That is not what I'm going to do. Good. That is not happening. Walked into it. Also rude. Rude. I'm not mean. Just this one? Yep. I do have one more. Oh, this is just a different angle. Actually, this is a better angle, but whatever. Okay, fine. I'm sharing this to Daniel Besser. You want both of those? Oh, man, I found a third angle that's like the best one. Yeah, yeah, just use the second one. Okay. Drum roll, please. He's not dying. and he's not done yet but hey progress

That is nice progress. It's starting to look pretty good. That's progress. It's definitely not even everywhere. Hold on, part of that is the light, and part of that is uneven. So I went hard mode and used a candy-style coating, which I have discovered is... Pretty much impossible to coat evenly on something as irregularly shaped as a lot of pieces of a motorbike. That makes sense. Some of the more uniform pieces, I've actually got it reasonably uniform.

The wheels are going to be horrible. Don't look at the wheels. There's a fleck right on the top of the gas tank that I'm so upset about. A little piece of dried paint that was on some of my masking tape. to keep paint out of the gas tank came off and landed there and it's like a little white spot it's like right on the top like right under where i'm going to be looking at all the time i'm so upset and there's nothing i can do now i would have to completely blast it again

Prime it again, white again, pink again. No, it's not happening. At this point, I'm just accepting whatever result I get. So make of that what you will. So it's going to look pretty bad, is what I've kind of come around to. And I'm going to ride it anyway, because sunk cost fallacy goes hard.

Anyway, yeah, motorcycle. Lots of fun. It's a totally different experience from driving. There are definitely things about it that are more dangerous, like the fact that if you get in an accident, you're dead. But there are things about it that In my opinion, if you are a very attentive and defensive rider, make it easier to avoid getting into an accident. You are more nimble. You have bigger buffer zones. I'd say that's the bigger thing.

I mistakenly said once on the WAN show that you can brake faster on a bike. It feels like it. Apparently you can't, and it's physics. So I'm like, okay. That's good to know. But what you definitely can do is have more buffer space. So you can position yourself so that you have a bigger cushion side to side from other vehicles.

If you are braking, you can go beside something to buy yourself a little bit of extra space. Sometimes, not always, because if you're braking hard, you cannot steer while you're braking on a motorbike. J2134 says it's literally the most unsafe form of transportation. Okay, yeah, fair enough. I'm not talking about lane splitting, I don't lane split.

And that is a very good way to be in trouble and get dead. Anyway, what got me into it was my dad used to take me on his bike and it was awesome. I don't know, it's like the wind going past you and like the... You know, the gear and the... I don't know, man. I'm not much of a petrol head when it comes to cars. I literally just want my car to be as quiet as possible and just like a quiet zoom zoom machine.

I drive electric and I love it. But something about the motorbike, I test drove an electric bike and it sucked. Just soulless. I love the sound of the bike. Yeah. Bike. Vroom vroom. It's a good question. We just don't really think of them as system integrators, and we haven't included them, and it's arbitrary.

Yeah, that's a very good question. We very well could. We just didn't. Micro Center would be a little tougher because we'd probably have to go in person, I would think. Like, we're not American, so that's tougher. To all three of you, do you think Canada will bring home Lord Stanley's Cup this year? And which team do you think has the best shot? I was Oilers going into it just because I feel like they got robbed last year. And I really want... I really want... I think there's...

You got a core with that kind of talent. You just got to look at it and go, come on. There's no way. They got to. But man, have you seen that Winnipeg Jets come back? I've been watching it. I don't know what's happening over there. Dude, I mean, it makes you want to root for them. The fact that they staved off elimination with 1.6 seconds left.

And then managed to get it done in double overtime. Like, how can you not root for these people? How can you not root for them? That's the love of the game right there, man. Man, it looked like they had nothing going on. Like they weren't set up at all. That pass. That is like one of the most heads up plays that I have ever seen, ever.

Just getting it across. He could have just shot again. He could have just shot again. It's been like a few years of really good hockey. Like 500 IQ. I don't know what's going on. Dude. It's been a good time. Yeah. Speaking of a good time. Dude, oh man, I didn't catch the entire game, but I was at a sports bar eating dinner last night, and I caught the first five minutes of the Oilers game, and like...

Right off the opening faceoff. End to end. Just nonstop. Actually, I don't know who won that. I should probably check. I am Vycus. well there's five four dang that's a super high well from From the little bit of that I saw, I'm not surprised. Like, I'm sure the first thing that both coaches said at the first, like, TV timeout was, yo, everybody settle the f*** down. Because there's just, who needs defense to just go? Anyway, good luck for everyone else's team. I guess no one else answered.

Oh, apparently Winnipeg's killing it tonight. Sorry, so who's yours? I don't know. Oilers? I need to go. Then get out of here. What are you waiting for? You. Oh, all right. We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye!