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elections. They're like, I'm in despair, because I feel like I can't count on the elections anymore. And they just don't hear about the victories. They don't hear about the states where we're turning things around, the legislation that's been passed, to start tightening this thing up, the people that are willing to push back. And honestly candidates like Kari Lake that are willing to take it to the courts, even if she doesn't win, ultimately, she's willing to fight, she's willing
to let them know. There's a lot of that going on. But there's also a lot of good, good, you know, changing of the rules back to the way that it ought to be. We got a long way to go. I'm not trying to be Pollyanna here and just wave the flag, we got a long way to go. But I just think it's important for us to tell people don't give up, stay in the fight. We are working hard all over the country to change this thing. And we've seen some good victories, but we still got
Yeah, and you know, citizens have really a long way to go. gotten engaged in this. And, Rick, as you say, we hear the frustration all the time. I don't trust the elections, I think it was stolen, it's cheat, whatever. That kind of voice from the people gets to their legislators, they get to elected officials, a lot of folks ran for office because they want to make that change. And so as you point out, changes are happening, now it's not as fast
as everybody would like. And a lot of this because it takes a time to go through the court system. It may take a year or two to get some of this stuff litigated. We saw that even from the last election. But the point is that it's starting to happen. I think we mentioned last year that there were over 2,200 new election laws introduced across the nation in all 50 states. This is something, really high
focus. Now, it's hard to get a lot of those passed, because it's hard to have a conversation between Democrats and Republicans right now. Democrats seem to want everybody to vote, doesn't matter what country you come from, or doesn't matter whether you're citizen or not. And we don't care if you vote real often, and Republicans, no we want it tighter, we want to make really sure cleaning the role. And here come the federal lawsuits, you're trying to suppress the vote, but cleaning
up the rolls. So this is not an easy battle. The other side has used this for a long time, they're not going to give up the tools they've got just because we want to do something different. But one of the things I'm encouraged about is here about, I don't know, Rick, you may remember Eric started, what?
7, 8, 10 years ago, it was going to be that that database network of... and I think 35 states got into it, and then we're going to share information so they could clean their roles and get dead people off and make sure somebody wasn't in one state and then... I think it was probably 10-12 years ago, a study was Alright, well we're going to dive a little deeper into some done with 52,000 people that voted in New York also voted in Florida, the snowbirds, you know, they live in New York and
they come to Florida in the winter and voted in both states. And so there was an effort to get some that cleaned up where people can't do that. And I think it was a conservative group that actually started this network. But now In the last few years, that group has become fairly liberal. And so we've seen now nearly a dozen states jump out of Eric, and say, we're going to create our own database, because what you're giving us is not good
information. It's not reliable, you're not keeping it up to date. We can't tell when there's double voting or anything else. And so in Florida and Missouri and West Virginia, and Texas, and Louisiana, and Ohio, and Iowa and Alabama, all these others have left that group and they're starting a new group where they can make sure that the voting rolls are really good. So this is not the stuff that makes the news. But it is
stuff that's happening. And hopefully, it'll get us some confidence going back into our system. Certainly there will be election fraud. There's nothing new about that, because humans are involved. I think we talked in a program a year ago about how that mail in ballots when that started in 1864 election, it was massive fraud, then.
That's when you had your first federal prosecutions of election fraud, was in the mail in ballots in 1864 with Democrats put in military names on ballots to vote for McClellan against Lincoln, and that went to court and guys got in trouble for it. So there's nothing new about election fraud. It's just you want to make it as hard as possible to cheat, as easy as
possible to vote. And there's some great groups out there doing excellent work, taking the states to court and hold them accountable for their own laws. And it's just it's some good news going across the country on this. of those victories that are happening across the country, Christian Adams is going to be with us Public Interest, Legal Foundation, stay with us, you're listening to WallBuilders.
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attention. And the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this. In France, I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom, marching in opposite directions. But in America, I found that they were intimately united and that they reigned in common over the same country. De Tocqueville recognized that it was Biblical Christianity and the morals it produced that made
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Welcome back to WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Christian Adams is with us. He's president of the Public Interest Legal Foundation, working on the election integrity issue, which everybody is concerned about. Christian, thanks for coming on, man.
Thanks for having me.
Well, the most often comment I get from people is that the system's broke. There's no point in voting, you know, we can never fix it, which of course we don't agree with around here. We think we work on it and make it better. And that's something that you're doing, so tell us a little bit about how you guys are doing that.
Right! Well, that attitude sounds like a French surrender monkey, right? That doesn't work.
That's right.
So look, here's what we're doing. We're bringing lawsuits around the country. When governments or states don't follow the law, like we did in Delaware, when they were doing illegal mail voting, the Delaware Constitution doesn't allow it. So we got it struck down as unconstitutional against the constitution of Delaware. So no mail voting in Delaware, because of that.
Excellent.
We're suing states like Michigan, who have dirty voter rolls. They won't... There's dead people on the active voter rolls who died 30 years ago, and they're still on the rolls in Michigan. So there's things that can be done. You just have to do them.
How do you I guess back up and show us how you... How do you start that process? Like does... if someone knows something like that is happening in their state, they just contact you and say, hey, have look into my my particular area and my state, I mean, is that how you end up getting a lot of these cases?
Yeah, it depends. It depends on which state, but you're right. You basically do analysis of the voter role, for example, in Michigan, and discover all these problems with dead registrants. In places like, oh, New York City, we're suing over allowing non citizens to vote there. That's just in the news and you find out that we've done work along the Rio Grande Valley, down in Zavala County, Starr County, where you just see there's problems and you go to court to fix them.
What do you see as the most important fights, like what are the linchpins or the inflection points for turning this thing around, where we can have faith in our elections
Yeah, the biggest issue I think, in the again? last 30 years, is the problem of non citizens getting on the voter rolls. That's why we're litigating in Pennsylvania. That's why we won a case in North Carolina to get records related to this problem in Pennsylvania, it is a fact, not a conspiracy theory, but a fact, according to election officials, that anywhere between 10,000 and 100,000 foreigners got on the voter rolls in Pennsylvania for
the last 25 years. We want to know how that happened, why that happened? What did they do to fix it? That's why we're litigating in court for the records. But it's a fact that this happened. And I think it's the biggest problem in the country. I think that's why California transformed the way it did, is because of non citizens voting in California elections. It's not always part of a conspiracy. Sometimes it's just a breakdown. And I think it's breaking down all over the
country. We know what happened in North Carolina. We know what's happening in Texas. We know it happens in Pennsylvania. So I think that is our number one problem.
And what's the key? Tell me again, now, what's the key to reversing it?
Yeah, the key and it should have happened in the last administration, but didn't. And that is for the federal government to make available in a real and effective way the names of non citizens they have in their saved database at DHS, people who are in the immigration system. The federal law requires the federal government to make it available, but in practice, they make it almost impossible
to use. And so even during the last administration, where this should have been a no brainer, the DHS, Department of Homeland Security was not making it available to the states to use in an effective way to figure out who the non citizens were on the voter rolls.
That's interesting. That's the exact opposite of where my brain went, right? I was thinking, okay, you got to prove you are a citizen, what you're saying is, you end up with a list that clearly says you are not a citizen. And therefore, you're saying then the state basically bumps those lists up next to each other, and says, when that person registers, they're able to look at that and go, sorry, this is one thing you can't do here.
You're welcome to work here and you're welcome to do the things that you've been allowed to do as a legal... immigrant coming in, but you cannot vote. It's literally a disqualification list essentially.
Right, because don't forget under motor voter of 1993, whoever fills out that form that says, you know, yes I want to vote, is going to get on the voter rolls automatically. There's no front end, citizenship validation anywhere in the country. You can't do it. It's against federal law. If they fill out that form, that says, yes I'm a citizen, and then they sign it, then they have to go on the voter rolls. And a lot of these non citizens are just flashing through the
form. It's like, you know, you're at a, like a supermarket checkout, just where you have your credit card in the machine. It's like, do not remove, oh wait now remove, you know, it all happens so fast, that you don't... they don't pay attention, and that's how aliens are getting on the rolls.
Wow. Okay. And then how... do you have any kind of a quantification like, can we measure that right now? Do you have estimates of how many are on the rolls? And how many are actually voting?
That's why the Pennsylvania lawsuit that we're involved in is so important, because we know it's somewhere between 10,000 and 100,000 in Pennsylvania.
Wow, that's the difference.
Well, except Pennsylvania has more tie elections than any other state, they've got a couple hundred tie elections in Pennsylvania. So even if you had one alien on the voter roll, it could be making a difference. But in Pennsylvania, we know it's a problem. We're trying to get to the bottom of it so we can learn. So it doesn't happen in other states.
I love it. I love it. Man. This is such an important work, Christian. How can people support you and what
Well, we're a tax deductible charity, it's you're doing? 501c3, you can go to PublicInterestLegal.org .
PublicInterestLegal.org . So tax deductible contribution there. And then if they have, I mean, I'm assuming you're just... you're going all over the country. So if they have a potential, you know, situation in their state, they can send that to you?
Absolutely. Be happy to talk.
Alright, so tell me, before I let you go. What would you say are your top three cases right now, that you're working on?
Well, the New York citizen allowing aliens to vote is a big deal. Maryland is actually allowing children to vote for school board. I'm... You heard that correct. The connection was not bad. They're allowing kids as young as sixth grade to vote for a school board seat in Maryland. We're...
Wow!
Yeah, it's coming to a town near you, don't think it's an outlier. This is very important to people to have children voting. And we're in fight with Michigan over dirty voter rolls. We've got like 14 active lawsuits but I think those are our three biggest.
Oh then keep going then, man. This [is] incredible. So wait, we got... well, you got a suit to stop illegals from voting in New York. You got a suit to stop kids from vote... I have no I'd heard that. I can't believe that. Okay, so kids voting in Maryland. The third one was?
Michigan, lots of dead registrants, dead voters on the rolls. And we've been in litigation with Michigan to try to get that cleaned up.
And that one would affect... Would... Is that a federal suit? So it could potentially affect other states too, and allow you to use that as a club to make them do the right thing? Okay, give me a couple more, man. Sounds like you got some incredible suits going?
Well, I mean, we have four cases against states that hide election records, namely Colorado, DC, Alaska, Louisiana, they're part of something called Eric. And they're not allowed to give up any of their records, if they're a member of Eric. It's like being in a secret club. You can't comply with public information laws.
Drill down on that one for a second. So you're you're saying like after the fact, you want to investigate whether or not, you know, the the election was accurate? They don't release any of the information?
Yeah, the the stuff that used to keep the voter rolls clean, like the records, the who did you remove? Who do you think is dead? Who's a non citizen? All of the tools that they use are public under federal law, but these states
Alaska, Louisiana, Colorado, DC, which of course is not a state but bear with me. They are a part of an agreement called Eric to hide public records. And so we're trying to have that agreement declared illegal under federal law so the public can see what's actually going on.
Yeah, that would be... that would prevent the very thing... You know, the first time I saw this, really becoming an issue was '08, I guess it was with Katherine Engelbrecht, in Houston. I remember doing a constitution class for her. Her group there for true the vote. I mean, they were literally going in and able to use the public records to help clean up the voter rolls, get the people off that had
died, all of those things. What you're saying is in those four states, you can't do that, you don't have access as a volunteer group to go in and do that.
That's right. They, hide these records from the public. And that's why we're suing to break it down. Well, it's already improving. I mean, that I think we're going
Man, I... You got a lot going on, brother, man. Thank you, thank you for what you're doing. Thank you to all to have to do some more things on making sure Election Day the people that support you and, and allow it to... you know allow you to be able to do this good work. How would you end this? You know, for our listeners in terms of hope to have faith in their elections, again, is this a... I keep telling everybody, look, this is a 10 year fight, 20 year fight.
means Election Day, that we don't wait for a month for It's not going to end overnight, we're going to have to scratch and claw in the trenches for a while to turn this thing around. results. I think that's the next big fight. And I know we'll be Because there's some bad apples out there. And there's some bad entrenchments within the system. What do you think in timeline wise, to get people back to having faith in elections again? involved in that fight. So, I think that things are better
than they were in 2020. But if you don't participate, you surrender the system to people who disagree with you. It's that simple. Yes. Yeah. Amen. All right, brother. I told you I'd keep you 10 minutes. So, I would love to have another... have you back on and talk about... I'd love to talk about what it means to have an Election Day. What's the constitutional definition of that? And now we've gotten to have any election month instead of Election Day and how to get away from that. Do you think
there's any chance of that? I mean, can we get back to that?
Well, let's... I mean, I'm sure we'll talk more about it, but that's what we're going to try to accomplish.
Excellent. Excellent. Christian, thank you, man. Have a great day. Appreciate you coming on.
Okay. Take care.
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Foundation. David and Tim you know we are always saying on good news Friday, look lots of good stuff out there. This could be a good news Friday program and you could hear optimism in Christian's voice. Man he, I mean, he's right there on the frontlines, he sees his stuff every day, he gets the complaints, and the stories all over the country every day. And he's still optimistic that we can turn this thing around.
Well, Rick, I got to point out, I think he infected you. Because your voice got faster and more rapid, you got more excited. I didn't know that. So I think it was good for you, as well as Christian to tell everybody else.
it was.
But there's so much out there. And there are so many things starting to change in the right direction. And just the fact that you're getting sunlight on this is really good. You know, as as Christian was going through some of the things, he was talking about, even the dead people that are still on rolls. They're all supposed to be taken off, and some have been there for a while. I don't know that I've shared this with you guys. I
know Tim knows it. But back when we were doing all those meetings before the election, last November, we were in Michigan doing several meetings up there. And some great guys got elected. But we had churches up there that would take their people and would go get voter rolls from Michigan, and just start working their way through it and going down the rolls. And as they were doing that there was a lady up there who found a guy named Jason Daniels. And it showed that he had voted twice in 2020
which is not a good deal. Now the machine didn't catch that, she did. But here's what's funny. Jason Daniel was born in 1850 and voted twice in 2020. So the dude's 170 years old and voted twice and he's still on the voter roll?
I want what he's taking, man, I want to know what's that elixir that we need to be selling on WallBuilders. That would fund every ministry in the country if it would make you live to 170 whatever. Yeah.
And so, you know, but that's the kind of problem when you don't take that people off the rolls, and you have literally millions of dead people in the rolls. It's easy for fraud to happen. But it's really great to hear what Christian's doing and the things that they're going... I had no clue they had so many different lawsuits going in so many different states on so many different issues. And all about simply enforcing the law and cleaning up voter rolls. It was really good news.
Well, I think one of the take home messages for us guys, and everybody at home is you don't give up, you know, and you... and when you see this stuff happening, if it's happening in your community or your county or whatever, there are law firms, there are people like Christian Adams that we can go to and take these things to and then there are candidates that... and I remember this as a candidate, listen, when if you quote unquote, lose, you know, and even in my race when I lost
my 20 votes is like, you know, there's definitely that crowd that saying, oh, just don't be a sore loser, don't fight it, don't question it, all that. And we did a recount, and we ended up winning by 36 votes. And so when someone like Kari Lake takes the fight, you know, to the level that she is. She's appealing these case, she's bringing the evidence, she's got all this stuff from Maricopa County. And you know, she's hearing every day from Republicans saying, don't be a
sore loser, just go away. But she's willing to fight that legal fight. And we've always said transparency, verification and legal remedies. So if you take it to court and you lose, okay, fine. Now you get ready for the next fight. But use your
You know, one of the things too about this was remedies. following the law. This is all about following the law. The laws are already there, just enforce the laws. And as Christian was talking about that, I was
Yeah, that's right. reminded the fact that we know Constitution Day is out there September 17. And all the schools are supposed to do Constitution Day, right? That's a law. Do you know what else is in that law? That law says that on Constitution Day, every federal employee is to receive instruction in the Constitution on Constitution Day, and that's part of the law. How much better would the country be if every federal employee on Constitution Day were to have training on the
Constitution? I mean, it's a great law. But if you don't enforce the laws, it doesn't make much difference. And so by the way, people now you know, that you ought to go to your schools, you ought to go to the post office, anywhere else, that their federal employees they're supposed to be getting training on the Constitution, on Constitution Day, and kids are supposed to be taught that on Constitution Day, man, once you find out what the law is, go help enforce it, go help uphold
it. It's passed for a reason, for a purpose. And that's one of those great laws. But that was just something that when Christian was talking about all the laws that they're pursuing, and chasing, and some we don't even think about, it's really good to see people trying to uphold the law.
Well, guys this is to why we should not look at the world in a pessimistic lens, which we have some friends who are very pessimistic and people that we love very dearly who are like, nope, America is the book of Revelation and America is over. We are people who study history; we understand about the
rise and fall of nations. We know what the Bible says that God will raise up a nation and tear down our nation and then there are appointed boundaries and seasons for nations and that God will raise a king up and take a King down. We get it. We understand that America is not as a nation promised forever. However, God's principles do still work. And God always
preserves a remnant. There are biblical truths and we know that even in the midst of this, when God told the Israelites to enter the Promised Land, and there were some people going, man, the giants are too big, we were grasshoppers in our own site, meaning the battles are bigger than we think we are able to win. There's no way we can win this battle, we shouldn't even
bother fighting. And if you remember from the... this is from the book of Numbers, there were leaders from the 12 tribes, and only two came back saying, guys, we can do this, let's get involved. Let's go fight and win this fight. It was Joshua and Caleb, and we want to make sure we are always in the Joshua and Caleb camp, that we are the advocate saying that even though with man, this might be impossible, with God, all things
are possible. And if God's called us to do something, we're going to do what God has called us to do. We want to make sure that we are the ones that didn't let freedom die on our watch, because we were inactive and chose not to get involved. We're going to be the John Quincy Adams that duty is ours results are God's. And guys, fortunately, the good news is we are seeing some positive activity, we are seeing some good changes along the way. So there is a reason to be hopeful
and optimistic. I remember hearing about Rome, I've never been to Rome. But I remember hearing that it wasn't built in a day. And I think what that means is it takes time to get this done. And so we can't grow weary in well doing. Be patient, be faithful, continue to show up and over time, we can turn this thing around.
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