Welcome to the intersection of faith in the culture. Thanks for joining us on WallBuilders we're taking on the hot topics of the day, from a biblical, historical and constitutional perspective. But before we take on a hot topic of the day, we're going back to our heroes of history. We've been talking about them all month, and we'll continue throughout
February. By the way, I'm Rick Green, America's constitution coach and Tim Burton and David Barton are going to share about one of our heroes of history. Tim, who are we talking about today?
This one is Sergeant William Carney, and he was a Medal of Honor recipient. Now we talked last week about another Medal of Honor recipient, we talked about how, in the course of American history, there's been approximately 57 million Americans involved in the US military, among those only about 3500 have ever been recipients of the Medal of Honor. And so you're talking about just a tiny percentage of people who have ever been awarded something that is this significant, this
prestigious. And it really is recognizing people that did something incredibly courageous and heroic, that sets him in a separate category and Sergeant William Carney, he was born in 1840. He was born actually in slavery in Virginia. His father was able to escape on the Underground Railroad and raise money and was able to purchase and bring the whole family out of slavery. So William Carney is freed, begins actually studying to become a Christian minister, the civil war breaks out, so it
changes everybody's plans. Life is different. When the Emancipation Proclamation comes out in 1863, there have been a lot of, of abolitionists, a lot of black leaders telling Abraham Lincoln you need to allow black soldiers or black individuals to join and be part of the military to be soldiers. And William Carney is one of those first
guys who signs up. He's actually part of Morgan's guards, which later became Company C, in the Massachusetts 54th regiment, which was not coincidentally, the movie featured in the old 1989 film The movie Glory, which won several Academy Awards. Well, William Carney is the Mass. 54th. And as the course of the War goes on, it's worth noting that at time to another individual who, very significant, connected with the Mass. 54th was Colonel Robert
Shaw. He was the white officer who was leading the black troops in the Mass. 54th. And the reason he was chosen, and chosen a little relative, but he had had military experience. And they, as you're bringing in people who've never been soldiers who have never seen combat, largely speaking, they wanted to have officers who were relatively familiar with combat, knew something about it, so they
can offer insight. Guys, when the battle happens, right, bullets and muzzle flashes and whatever else, give some perspective and insight help lead the troops. Well, at that point, to have a white officer over black troops. The white officers actually were volunteers. They volunteered for that. And why would Colonel Robert Shaw volunteer for that? Well, his father was an abolition leader, was a leader in the abolition movement, trying to end slavery, trying to abolish slavery in the United
States. And so he's grown up... Robert Shaw grew up in this and so for him, it was probably pretty natural to say, look, we believe in equality, we're going to do this. Historically, we know the Mass. 54th was trained so well. The Mass 54th ended up in South Carolina, and they were a part of the Battle of Fort Wagner, which was at the harbor of Charleston. And as this unfolds over 600 men from the Mass 54th, there was a very narrow stretch of land
approaching the fort. It was 60 yards wide, about a half mile long. And before they approached the fort, union ships came up and for eight hours, they bombard the fort, trying to soften defences. Finally, the Mass. 54th is given orders. They're going to charge and you can imagine right fixing bayonets, they're gonna go this
half mile charge. Well, the problem was, even though for eight hours the Union navy had been pounding the fort with bombardments, the Confederates had gone under these bunkers, essentially these bomb bunkers to protect themselves and so they were not at all impacted by the bombardments. When the Union force attacks, they come out of bombardment, and they open fire and they just start leveling people, wiping people out. The guy who's been carrying the flag for the Mass. 54th was John
Wall. When John Wall was shot in this barrage, he's going to the ground. William Carney comes over, he rescues the flag, and he's going to be the guy holding the flag. He ends up getting shot in the leg. Finally they realized this was a bad situation. They call the retreat. On the retreat they have to go through the water. As they're going through the water, Sergeant Carney gets shot again in the chest. On his way out to gets shot again, in the leg. On the retreat, he gets shot again
in the head! He got shot four times. He finally was able to get back to a place where they were safe. And at this point, people are coming over there trying to help him. In fact, at one point a white soldier from New York came over said, Hey, let me help carry the flag. Sergeant Carney said no one but a member of my regiment, the 54th should carry the colors or carry the flags. When he finally makes it back, he sits down about to pass out from
exhaustion. He whispers, boys, I did my duty, the flag never touched the ground. And this was something noted right significant part of a contribution from a black American. And it was 30-something years later that Teddy Roosevelt finally was a Republican president, who looked back and said, there's a lot of very courageous heroic individuals who were part of the Civil War that did not get the full recognition they should
have gotten. So he then at that point, awarded him the Medal of Honor for what he had done- his bravery on the battlefield. And it's worth noting, the reason that Teddy Roosevelt was able to identify him is because this was a known story, some of these people that what they had contributed to this was known it was documented. So Teddy Roosevelt just gives them the recognition that they really should have deserved decades
earlier, arguably. But the reason guys, I even think this is significant is because part of the conversation I know we're gonna have today with Stanley Kurtz is dealing with some of the rewriting of black history. And when you have this new move, whether it be from the 1619 Project, we know there's a Hulu series out, you can look at Disney Plus with some of the new programming, they're doing that just is total critical race theory. They are telling a very different narrative of American
history. And they're literally leaving out nearly every single black hero of American history. When if we were just honest with American history, and we said, look, there were some really bad parts. There were some dark parts. But there were some really incredibly brave, heroic, right, courageous, noteworthy people that should be celebrated. It would be a very different narrative than what we hear today. And that's just not what's happening by and large.
But fortunately, there is some good news on some of these fronts, which is why we thought we should talk to Stanley Kurtz about something happening right now in Florida.
Yeah, Stanley is a great guy on this because he heads up this national association of scholars and they are all over the things that are being taught in textbooks and colleges what's happening on colleges, they're really really good at this and what they
found... And they got an early copy of what the AP, the College Board, the College Board does, SATs tests, but the AP courses, all these advanced placement courses, I think there's 47, 48, 49 of them, they all come from the same entity, the College Board, and they came out with this brand new course for Black History is it's an advanced college course which means you get college credit for this course while you're in high school, which means this is a college course and they saw what
was in it and it was so absolutely woke so bad on history that DeSantis got involved in this in Florida. DeSantis put his foot down said no you're not teaching this in this state. That's not a course we're gonna allow in the state you're not going to teach it at universities either. And so Stanley has been all over this and it is really really good to see what has happened since DeSantis has taken that stand.
It's shifting the entire nation and Stanley had an inside seat to everything that was going on with this.
Stanley Kurt's our special guests today. Stay with us you're listening to WallBuilders. Welcome back to the WallBuilder show. Thanks for staying with us. Always good to have Stanley Kurtz with us, senior fellow at the ethics and Public Policy Center and once again covering education on so many different levels. Stanley, thanks for coming to speaking in our legislators conference for coming on the program often, just appreciate all that you do, man. Appreciate the time today.
Well, Rick, thanks so much for having me.
Well, you've got this Florida battle going on. And it looks like DeSantis again, just gaining ground. Not just defending ground, gaining ground and this time it's over, you know what they're calling African American studies. What happened and how did he you know, put a stop this so quickly, apparently?
Well, Rick, you're right. This is a win, I think for DeSantis. And the way it happened was that the College Board is... which is the group that controls the SAT test and the Advanced Placement tests, which we call AP tests for short, the College Board decided to create an AP version of African American Studies. Now this is a very important move, because one of the things that has really corrupted our colleges and universities intellectually, is the rise of the so called studies programs.
That would be African American studies, Latino studies, women's studies, gender studies, environmental studies, a whole bunch of other studies programs. And these programs tend to be political activism programs rather than objective academic disciplines. So for the first time, the College Board created a course, based on African American Studies. And sure enough, the last quarter of that course, was filled with
political activism. It pushed students to back the political program of what's called the movement for black studies, which is sort of a political arm of Black Lives Matter. It pushed the students to back reparations, and a whole lot of other literally Marxist political readings that were completely unbalanced, not just by conservative points of view, but even by a traditional
liberal points of view. These writers in the fourth quarter are so far to the left, that they don't like Barack Obama, because in their eyes he's discredited by the fact that he works within the system that they would like to overthrow and destroy. So we've got this very extreme final quarter of this
proposed course. College Board asked the DeSantis administration to approve it 99% of the time, every state rubber stamps, any course that the College Board puts in front of them, but governor DeSantis said, No, this violates our CRT bill. And more than that, it violates what we think is legitimate education in the
state of Florida. And lo and behold, the College Board knowing that it has a monopoly and needs to get states to go along, particularly red states, and particularly now in the era when many red states have these CRT laws, the College Board knuckled under and made quite a few very significant changes to this course.
That yeah, that's unusual. Well, first thing was unusual, as you were describing that. I mean, not too long ago, you and I would have had a conversation on this and lamented the fact that very few elected officials, certainly governors of large states like this would even question, like you said, or certainly to stand up to anything that comes from the College Board or any of these entrenched entities that have controlled education for so long. And it just seems like
that game is changing. It's I mean, it's DeSantis has certainly led the way on it. But I'm just thrilled that you've got someone at that level, and that that profile, willing to take on a fight like this, whereas in the past, it was just like you said, rubber stamp.
That's right, Rick. Exactly right. It's thrilling, really, it's thrilling to see. Now we had a big dispute over the AP US History framework that the college board put out in 2014. They did backtrack on that, but it was mostly cosmetic. And no state at any point ever actually turned down the framework. I have never seen anything like what DeSantis is doing. And he's doing it on the level of higher
education as well. Usually boards of trustees, boards of regents boards of governors, they have different names in different states, but the the bodies that run our public colleges and universities also rubber stamp the leftism of these colleges and universities. And oftentimes, that's because the people appointed are frankly the biggest donor of the governor in question. And that's fine. They have good instincts.
But the truth is they don't have a lot of expertise on higher ed and they don't want to get into quarrels with the administration. DeSantis has completely shifted all that. And he's appointed conservative education experts, some of them from out of state to be on the boards of trustees of these Florida colleges, and they're in the process of revolutionising those schools. So, and that doesn't even begin to get it all the things DeSantis has done.
And the real question I have is why haven't Republican governors and state legislators done all of this decades ago? You know?
Yes, no, no, I didn't mean to cut you I agree completely. That's one of the great frustrations, we've said for a while defund the left by defunding these programs and these universities if they're going to continue to indoctrinate our kids with this anti-American stuff that they've been doing for for so long. I mean, this poison is clearly, you know, taking root in the in the culture, it's clearly having a negative impact. And I use exactly what you just said, Where in the world have had the
Conservatives been. Where've the Republican Parties been, you know, where've these governors been that say they're against this stuff? Very few actually stand like what what we're seeing here. Do you think this will you know, courage is contagious... Will this cause other governors to join this fight and, where he's not having to take on the College Board alone, and... two part question- Will other governors join? And two, does this victory apply to
other states? Is it just Florida colleges or this changes their whole process so that everyone in the country benefits from this positive change?
I'll take the second part first. Yes, this victory affects other states, because the changes the College Board has made to its framework will be adopted nationally. The College Board, unfortunately, is a national entity that's able to make a kind of end-run around state curriculum control. But the good news and the good side of that is that when you make a positive change, it affects the
whole country. But to go to the deeper question, you asked, the first part of your question- On the one hand, I do think this courage will be contagious, I do think other states will start to jump in and DeSantis is definitely laying down a model. What he's doing can be copied and can be studied. And so my hat's off to him. But I would say at the same time, that there is still a big problem in many of the red states, particularly with governors, but not only
with governors. You take the CRT bills, which helped to kick off all of this. CRT bills have passed in quite a few red states, but by no means all of them. They failed in a number of red states and so did other important education reform legislation. We lost a good K-12 CRT bill, in South Dakota. It did not pass the South Dakota State Legislature. We lost an excellent education reform K-12. Bill in Indiana, supposedly a
red state. And a lot of these red states have a group of establishment type Republicans in the legislature mixed in with the more culturally conservatives and sometimes the weak-kneed moderates give way and this is even more of a problem with governors in some of the red states. In Indiana, the nominally Republican governor was nowhere to be seen during this school battle. And the teachers unions remain a very powerful force, even in red
states. So while I think the news overall is very positive, simply because we were losing completely and doing absolutely nothing in the past, it is still a pitched battle. And there's no guarantee that all the red states will magically get fixed just because DeSantis is doing the right thing in Florida.
Yeah, yeah. Well, we got a lot of work ahead. And these fights in so many, so many states and and, you know, hopefully, hopefully, like you said, he's basically laid down the marker and, and shown how it can be done. And another thing to point out real quick, you you made the point that this is not just elementary education anymore. This is you know, we're talking at the university level, he's willing to take this on.
That has felt like, a fight you just couldn't even deal with because it's such a lopsided situation, with the colleges and universities across the country. But he's saying no, we're gonna keep chipping away at this. And, you know, it's good to see it at all levels. But, you know, the college part, man, I mean, I just, it does feel like it's so big. And there's so few universities that aren't, you know, part of the leftist
philosophy at this point. What's your take on that overall education piece, not just, you know, where we're seeing school board victories, but universities, are they listening to the, to the movement at this point, and this massive, you know, response of the American people to say we're done with all the woke stuff? Or is like there's a shield up around these universities where they're not hearing that yet?
That's a Great question, Rick. The answer is, they're listening with horror. They don't want to go along. But
Yeah, so good. So good. Really, really appreciate DeSantis has figured out a way to get past the shield. We'll have to see if it fully works, but he's doing more than what I indicated before. Already, in what I indicated, he is changing the boards of trustees which have ultimate control of the university and putting people on them who are willing to take action. And the truth is, while boards generally rubber stamp what universities do, they can
control. But DeSantis is going beyond that in a very important way. The greatest power in universities is held by the president. Now, the Board of Trustees can change the president. But in the past, they have not appointed good
presidents. And what is happening in Florida is boards of trustees are starting to put in presidents who were, say, allies of Governor DeSantis, when they were in the legislature, the new head of what's called New College of Florida, with a small school that DeSantis is trying to turn around, and transform, is going to be the former Speaker of the House of the Florida legislature. And it's likely that the general counsel of that university will be the former
president of the Senate. And so if you can appoint real conservatives who understand how state government and levers of power work, to the presidency of these universities, also, at the same time, DeSantis is proposing legislation, which would increase the power over faculty appointments of university presidents, this could be a revolutionary formula that will allow for real change. It's dramatic, and I don't think people have fully appreciate it the ambition of what DeSantis is trying here.
it, Stanley. Thank you for staying on top of this, for keeping us educated and informed here at WallBuilders. And our audience as well. Appreciate you, brother and look forward to having you back soon.
Great talking Rick, thanks for having me.
You bet. Stay with us, folks. We'll be right back with David and Tim Barton. We're back here on WallBuilders. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks to Stanley Kurtz for joining us as well. Guys, I have a hard time not getting excited about what Ron DeSantis does in Florida. I mean, I want it to spill over. You know, that's why I asked Stanley what I did, I wanted to start influencing other governors to do the same
thing. But hopefully we'll get there but man, I mean, he just, he keeps taking on these fights. I think we're seeing now the legislature in Florida, you know, saying they're gonna take away Disney's special status. I mean, these wins just keep stacking up in Florida, but such an important subject for DeSantis to lead on.
It is and one of the things that we're seeing in Florida is that his courage is contagious. It's one of the things that, guys, we lament how sad it is in Texas, where, you know, you would think, Texas is a really free state. We don't have the same level of courageous leadership as a DeSantis. And actually, I mean, in fairness, if we look at somewhere like even what we think probably Sarah Huckabee Sanders is going to be in Arkansas, we can start pointing to some of these governors.
So you're saying that the Texas Speaker of the House who just gave the education committee to the Democrats, even though the Republicans have the house, you're saying that that's a problem, when Texas gives education committee to Democrats?
Yeah, about that. About that. We have a lack of leadership in Texas and a lot of respect, both in our Republican Party, in our Republican elected officials, and so many fronts, and guys were saying is like we work with a lot of them. There are some good individuals involved. But it's, it's just a mess right now. So it is so encouraging when you see a leader like DeSantis. And you see the difference a leader can
make. One of our friends, Bob McEwen, who we are with often throughout the year, who we have on the program throughout the year, he will often point out the difference a good leader can make and directing ultimately, the outcome of nearly every problem, every situation you deal with, when you have a leader who gets involved. And again, where leadership is
contagious. And so you have a state legislature, you have other individuals in the state that are saying, wait a second, no, no, we're not going to do this. And, and even as Stanley pointed out, when you have the governor who's putting people on these different boards over universities, and normally, they're not really involved. But now people are getting in there and they're actually paying attention. They are making a
difference. And what's happening in some of these universities, this is what absolutely governors can be doing in their states they're willing to, but the good news is when you're seeing in the AP as they're promoting some of this wokeism, right, some of this newspeak like this 1984 thought that we're going to change the definition of words, we're going to we're going to rewrite history, we are seeing that if you have a leader who will push back, it can change ultimately,
the reality of what they are trying to right of what education is trying to do.
Yeah, this is a front that many politicians are not willing to take on right? Because it wasn't very popular to take on this this narrative. So to see him doing this and it's kind of starting to break the dam a little bit because now the grassroots is demanding it. We're seeing it at the school board level. I mean, I love seeing all the parents standing up and saying they don't want this especially when you see black parents stand up and say, We don't want this this is
absolutely wrong. It shouldn't be done. So many viral videos out there. It's just exciting to see that the American people are recognizing the dangers of this. And that we do have a governor that recognizes it and is standing up. We just need to push for more Governors and legislators to do the same. Alright folks, we're out of time for today, you can check out our website at wallbuilders.com and you can get a lot of great
information there. In fact, if you want to learn the truth about these stories, if you want to learn those heroes of history that Tim was talking about at the beginning of the program, and that we're going to do throughout February, all of that information available at wallbuilders.com Check it out today. Thanks so much for listening to WallBuilders
