Special Kirk Day Bonus Episode (Live)

Hello, and welcome to a special Kirk Day Bonus Episode of the Virtual Coffee Podcast. I'm Dan. And this is a podcast that features members of the Virtual Coffee community. Virtual Coffee is an intimate group of developers at all stages of their coding journey. And they're here on this podcast, usually, sharing their stories and what they've learned. Today, we had a little bit of a different time. Bekah actually came up to Cleveland

I was on my phone [laughs].

I was just thinking in my head, "Oh, I hope the sound sounds good." And then, I- I was like, "Huh?" I looked at the mute thing and --

Just so everybody knows, I just did-

You did a great job.

-the most amazing-

It was awesome.

-intro that I've ever done.

Yep.

It's- it's suck [chuckles].

It's really good. Yep.

So here's my not so great intro.

We do.

We are coming here, live from Lakewood, Ohio. We are celebrating national Kirk Day or international Kirk Day as we more fondly know it at Virtual Coffee.

Intergalactic Kirk Day?

Intra galactic? Inter- I was gonna say disciplinary. That is not the right word. Dimensional -- interdimensional Kirk Day.

Yes.

Because it is preserved everywhere, because Kirk is awesome and amazing, and we like to celebrate Kirk as much as we can.

Agreed.

Dan, would you like to introduce what international, dimensional, disciplinary Kirk day is [chuckles]?

So, was it just a year ago?

It was a year ago, today.

Two years ago? Today? Yes, Kirk had a tweet where he -- should I -- how should I read the --

You should. And put in the announcement.

I feel like I should have read the- the right text.

Post it in the chat too.

The- the- the -- this is it, right?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So, Kirk tweeted, "Today we have achieved the dream. My -- I made a function called Missy Elliott that takes data structure, flips it, and reverses it. I have ascended." And then, very shortly after that, Missy Elliott responded [chuckles], replied on Twitter. Actual Missy Elliott. Not- not a fake Missy Elliott.

The Missy Elliott. That's --

And- and said something like, yeah, she said, "Wow, I'm humbly -- I'm so humbly grateful. Much love to y'all." And that was the beginning of a legend. It was- it was really, really awesome [laughs]. And everybody saw it, and Kirk's, you know, Twitter ... well, let's see what the -- it- it- it Kirk's tweet got a one -- 13.3 thousand retweets [laughs] and a hundred --

A hundred and 70 [chuckles] -- 70 thousand like.

Yeah. And it's really good stuff.

It -- but not only that, not only was it just YouTube, but it expanded. So this was not a one day event. It was-

Yeah.

-it was on Twitter, it was on LinkedIn, it was on Reddit. Everybody loves Kirk.

Yes. And we all are -- already loved Kirk. And this is just a sort of celebration of- of the rest of the world, right?

Yeah.

Be-becoming aware of- of the Kirk.

So maybe we should tell our Kirk origin story.

I think that's a great idea [laughs]. Do you want me to go first? Do you wanna go first?

You go first.

Alright. I don't -- I mean, I, like -- I don't have a specific -- I don't remember the, like, moment, right? Of- of meeting Kirk. Cuz that was back in the time of Virtual Coffee being --

A tiny baby.

Yes. Very s- a little smaller, you know? And so, we had Slack, we had the coffees, obviously. But -- and I'm not a person who ... I don't know. I don't know a lot of people [laughs]. I don't really -- like, people don't stick in my brain until- until we, like, interact. You know what I mean? And so, my thing with Kirk was- was really the Hacktoberfest. Was really, like, leading up to Hacktoberfest that year. So it was two years ago. And ...

You -- okay.

And I was excited.

To be fair, you were like, "If you need help with anything, let me know."

I may have said that.

So, if you offer to help, you will [chuckles].

It's true. Yes, most people find that about -- out about that eventually. But, yeah. So, Kirk was there too, right? And I have, like -- I, like -- you- you know, I'd heard his name or whatever. I, you know, we had been --

But he wasn't Kirk at that point.

He was still TK.

He was still TK.

That's right. He was just the mysterious TK, which made me, you know, want to know him more, you know? Because, anyway, that has a mysterious name, you know? You need to-

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You need to know-

-know more --

-more of the story.

And, yeah. And then that -- so that -- it was like that September leading up to that October. It was a lot of -- Kirk and I were -- I mean, I was working on the site and that's when the first like this -- the current version of the site happened, you know? We made the leap with like -- that which has brought us the site for Virtual Coffee where we're doing all that stuff. And so, I would be up in the middle of the night [chuckles]. And Kirk was

Documentation part.

Yeah, social aspect of it, the documentation, you know, thinking about how, like, people are going to interact with Virtual Coffee, and like how we need may- resources for maintainers, and what those could look like, and things like that. And so I gained a lot of like -- both, it was like fun to hang out with him. And again, a lot of, like, respect for him, you know, at the same time. So- so, yeah. And then after that, it was just like, we're just talking every day and had been doing that for-

Ever?

-the last ... million years? I don't -- it feels like -- I don't- I don't know.

In all the dimension?

You know, in- in multiple dimensions. I'd say, if we're gonna use MCU, you know, terminology though, Kirk would be like a Nexus being, right? So, there's only like, one Kirk-

Yes. Mm-hmm.

-across the dimensions. This --

Yes.

He's -- our Kirk [??]-

Our Kirk [??].

-our Kirk [??] is prime Kirk in there --

All the Kirks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

That's what I mean. Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

He's the right Kirk.

Exactly [laughs].

I will tell my Kirk origin story. I don't remember it exactly, but I have known Kirk longer than most of the people I've known at Virtual Coffee. But back when I knew Kirk, he was like a -- maybe a python image or a snake icon?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He was not-

Yeah. He --

-I didn't know his face. And then he started coming to Virtual Coffee, and I am really ... like, nervous when I meet new people. And then, I was like, "I think this person knows me?" And I had to try and figure it out [laughs]. And he would sit in this office, like, with this flag behind him, and everybody's wearing masks back then when you were on Zoom. And so I'm like, "Who is this person that is coming? I'm very nervous about them." And then Kirk kept showing up. I'm like, "Okay.

Notorious [??].

So, Kirk was always doing a great job of roping us all back to having productive conversations and making progress on all the things that we were really excited about doing, and making sure that they happen. And -- like, for me, I like -- had not really either am heard about documentation, like, talk about documentation [laughs]. Put like, "What is that thing?" And then, like, Kirk was like, breaking it down. This is why documentation is

No biggie.

[Laughs] That's all. So, all right. I'm gonna check out the chat now. That's my- my Kirk origin story, and this is how he's become to be my best friend ever since.

Yeah. So we just got a comment from David saying, "So cool to see you in the same place -- physical place." Yeah. This is the first time that we have, like, actually met in real life. And we started working together ... when did we start working together?

July -- this will be -- so, it would've been three years in July.

Yeah. Before -- I mean, bef- before Virtual Coffee. Like, we were working-

Yeah.

-together before Virtual Coffee started. And -- I mean --

Dan fired me. And that's how Virtual Coffee started [laughs].

As soon as I said that, I knew you were gonna say that. I did not ... fire ... Bekah.

You did. My kids got sent home from school, and then I came home, and Dan was like, "Sorry, you're fired. Good luck [laughs]."

Listen. I mean, sometimes you have to fire peep- people [laughs]. I didn't fire you, o-okay? You were a contractor, and so, I just stopped paying you, and you stopped doing work [laughs].

You're the worst [laughs].

In my defense, I didn't have any money to pay you with [all laugh]. So --

It will get so --

I didn't have any work for you to do.

All right. Fine. Fine. Fine. I'll be fair. It was pandemic. And there was no work. So, [laughs] he fired me on accident, apparently.

Yeah. Nick knew you're gonna say that as well. You're becoming predictable.

[Laughs] But I feel like we've had a lot of new members that might not have known that you fired me many times ago [laughs].

So, anyway, yes. So, I don't know about you, Bekah. I spent a lot of time, like, I'm like, "Okay. So, what do I wear when I meet a person for the first time, that I've, like, worked closely with for three years?" Obviously, Virtual Coffee stuff. I -- Bekah w-wore the t-shirt and the hoodie. I- I just wear those --

I understood the assignment.

Yeah. Well, we didn't talk about it ahead of times. I almost, like, texted you. I almost, like, I almost asked you, and I should have. Because then we could have just been totally, you know?

Oh, wait. Arjun joined and wants to know who fired me. Dan fired me [laughs].

No, I did not fire you [all laugh]. I hate this. I'm shutting this stream down.

No, wait. Yeah, [inaudible] [laughs]. So, okay. So maybe let's go back a little bit so I can tell the full story and give Dan the credit that he is owned. I'm a career changer. I spent 10 years teaching college English, and I went to bootcamp. And when I graduated, I put out a tweet saying that I was looking for a job. And Dan responded, and hired me.

[Inaudible]. Not really.

Yeah.

Not really, but ... seriously [laughs]. No, just kidding [all laugh].

So, I did not -- I didn't take any coding tests or have to do any s-strange problems that make no difference in the world. And so, we worked together until the pandemic hit and then everything shut down. So-

Yeah.

-so, Dan --

And I --

I joked [laughs] --

As soon as I had work coming back in, you had work coming back in too.

Yeah.

Cuz you never ... say --

He- he rehired me [laughs].

Oh, okay, thank you. Thank you [all laugh]. Well, yeah. It was ru- it was a rough summer. It was a weird summer.

That was really rough. And that's how Virtual Coffee started too. Because I was getting assigned with interviews with kids at home and trying to figure out, like, what life was like [chuckles]. And then, I put out a tweet, "Does anybody wanna meet up for Virtual Coffee?" And we just kept going with it. And- and somewhere along the line, I pulled Dan in too [chuckles].

Yeah.

Cuz he owed me for firing me [laughs].

Oh, gosh [chuckles]. Alright. Alright. So, here's the one thing. I'm- I'm so used to, like, talking to you on Zoom. We're sitting right next to each other, but we have the, like, Zoom monitor on the screen. And so, I have been like looking at -- I keep looking at you on the screen instead of- instead of, like, you next to me.

Yeah.

I don't even understand.

Yeah. I'm not really sure-

It's more the -- I don't understand it.

-how's the deal. Am I suppose to look at you when I talk to you?

No. Right. Exactly. Yeah, right. Do I look to camera? Do you -- yeah. No, it's weird. Good weird, but it's- it's weird, you know?

Mm-hmm.

[Inaudible]. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Let me look at this chat. [Laughs] Yes, Nick. Exactly. "Dan responded, 'I'm looking for someone to fire eventually.'"

It was really just the power of truth.

I was like, "Yeah. I am totally-

Man. That's- that's -- all of work -- all of our work are-

-here for being fired eventually [laughs]."

-out of life. Yeah. Just a power to fire somebody, and then [inaudible].

No, I had no coding tests. We had a conversation. I don't know if Dan remembers it, but I remember --

I did. Yeah. I mean, I didn't know what I was doing either. It was -- I mean, this is the first time I ever -- and to be clear, like, you weren't an employee, so, you know? I -- my whole thing was contractor, you know? Cuz I'm a contractor too. But, yeah. I'd never done that before. And like, I really jumped into, like, very ADHD style, like, no real plan, no real, you know, guidelines for myself or for anybody else or anything like that. And it worked out very well.

It did! It worked out really well.

But ... yeah, I dunno. It was- it was- it was fun. I'm -- I've been missing -- you know, Bekah, you gotta ... I dunno.

I fired Dan.

I was gonna say-

And I got a new job [laughs].

-you got a job. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, with, like, insurance-

Yeah.

-I've heard is a good thing to have.

Insurance is nice. It's useful.

So, you know --

Didn't have that for a while [all chuckle]. So, yeah. So, I've been working a new full-time job, and Dan has been --

Yes. Ayu, thank you. If I didn't fire you, there'll be no Virtual Coffee. I didn't fire you. God! I got tricked!

[Laughs] He did it. Somebody-

Ooh, no.

-please grab that.

No. We're shutting this whole thing now.

Grab that from this video-

We're shutting it down.

-so I can play it over and over [laughs].

I blamed Melts, honestly, for that- for that one. We went to Melt in here, in Lakewood. And there, it's -- I -- we walked past -- the first place I wanted to go, found out close for lunch on the weekdays, which I didn't know. But as we were walking past Melt, I was like, this place makes you wanna go take a nap after, like, after.

Mm-hmm.

And it's- it's true.

Can confirm.

Yeah. I mean, the two beers probably- probably not bad either. But, I blame -- yeah. I blame- I blame that on that- on that mental lapse. But I want to stand firm that I did not fire anybody.

I mean, what is your definition of fire, okay? He was like, "I'm no longer going to employ you or give you work or money." So, anybody out there, please let me know [laughs].

Whatever.

So now, he's roped into Virtual Coffee-

Oh, god.

-forever [laughs].

Oh, man. Anyway, let's go back to Ayu was saying that I was right. And --

I don't think that's what Ayu said, okay [chuckles]?

Yeah, yeah. Well, that- that everything that I did was good.

She 100% did not say that.

Yeah, no. I'm pretty sure that's what she said. And --

She did not!

No, I tried to scroll. We can't- we can't scroll back. That's -- we can't [chuckles] --

She's like, "Dan, it sucks that you fired Bekah and that was pretty awful. But at least we got Virtual Coffee out of it [laughs]."

We can't scroll back and see what she says. [Inaudible].

Nick tells, "Dan- Dan, you can fire me any day [all laugh]." I don't even know what that means [laughs].

Ooh, Nick.

Sometimes, I, like, very frequently will spit out water when I drink it. So I need to try very hard to not drink and laugh at the same time.

Hmm, wait. Who's ... yeah. Somebody's episode. That was a really good one of that.

Oh, oh, it's Helen!

Oh yeah, Helen.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I watched you do it. I watched you swallow or, like, you know, start to drink water. And then Helen said something hilarious, and, yeah.

I didn't mute myself.

I was like, "Oh, please."

I was like choking for five minutes [laughs].

We -- yeah, Bekah and I both have a- a problem with -- sometimes we, you know, you -- I don't know if you could get this in Zoom, where you ... you -- you're not, like, making eye contact with a real person, you know? But- but like, you almost can, like-

Yeah.

-in Zoom, sometimes, you know? Where, like, you know, you're looking at that person, you know they're looking at you, you know? And, yeah. We've had some- we've had some meltdowns in the- in the past [all laugh]. We try to keep it, you know, it's all on the podcast. But there's been some- there's been some- there's been some moments.

Yeah. Yeah. There are many moments on the podcast. We've progressed so much. When we first started the podcast, I would laugh uncontrollably for the first five minutes and I could never do the introduction. I -- maybe there's -- I don't know if there's any [inaudible] [laughs].

No, we have it all on tape, for sure. We sure have it all recorded. I don't know if -- yeah. I don't know how much video we have of it, but, like, we have a lot of views of- of the, like, trying to do the intros and stuff.

[Laughs] I just couldn't. I just would -- just --

It's so funny. Cuz you're so good at it. Like, you're so good at, like, this stuff most of the time. And like -- it's the recorded nature of it. It's like the reading the script part-

It was like-

I felt that- I felt that --

-I was so nervous.

Yeah. I feel like that was [inaudible].

Like, it [laughs]- it was, like, nervousness decided to turn itself into laughters. And like, I could not stop. Which I guess is, like, better than crying or sweating, which I have also gone through those phases as well.

Yeah, sweat is definitely one of my main skills.

Just checking out the chat.

Yeah.

Promote it to customer [all laugh].

Yes. Congratulations, [inaudible]. Some -- I don't know. Pressure valves?

[Laughs] Yeah, Suze. He probably would fire me for all of this. It's okay. [Laughs] Oh, am I sure I'm an introvert? I dunno. I feel like maybe I'm an amvivert -- ambivert? I am, especially, like intensely nervous, and shy, and exhausted when I'm around people that I don't know. But like, when I'm around people that I know or people that I'm friends with, then I can often, like, find that energy I think that extroverts have.

For- for me, it's -- for me, it's sort of knowing exactly what, like, I was supposed to do-

Yeah.

-in a situation. That's what I'm comfortable, right? And so, like, the -- this is just you and me chatting, you know? And like, we've practiced this, obviously. So it's like, you know, talking, like --

We didn't practice this. But like, we've been [laughs] --

Well, I -- no. Can't you tell? We did, like- we did, like [laughs], this is -- yeah, very polished, you know, thing. No. But what I mean is like, I know what socially is expected of me in this situation. You know what I mean? And so, if I'm in coffee, like, one of our coffee chats, and in a room with a whole bunch of people I don't know, I'm not, like, I don't have a problem. Like, I don't- I don't get, like, awkward like that. But- but when I go to, like, go to a

Yeah.

-that's when I get, like, super-

Yep.

-and I just go and sit down by myself, and put my headphones on or so- or -- I don't put my headphones on. But like -- cuz I'm fine if somebody comes [chuckles] and talks to me, like, that's cool.

Yeah.

Cuz that's like, "Hey, this is what you're supposed to do now," you know? But like, walking up to somebody and trying to, like ... that's- that's what I -- like, I really struggled with that. That-

Yeah.

-that's the kind of stuff that I struggled with, you know? Is those- those, like, situations ... where it's an unfamiliar territory or like ... you know? I dunno.

Yeah.

Something like that. So --

My dad was just telling my-

Super [inaudible].

-oldest — my 12-year-old. He was talking about how great it is to talk to, like, random people, and to go up and talking to them, like, "Dad, that is- that is a terrible thing." My dad loves it. Like, he will go up to any person, and he will probably try and say what their na- he'll ask them their name and hope continually try and repeat that throughout the conversation, but then forget their name and use a different name that's wrong [laughs].

[Laughs] That's awesome.

He tries very hard to be personal.

Yeah.

But there's, like, my worst nightmare talking to a-

Yeah.

-stranger that I don't know about things.

Yeah. Yeah.

I can't.

Yeah. No, my father-in-law is huge -- he big on that. And he was a bartender and stuff. And like, he just doesn't naturally -- like, he does it almost like impulsively, you know? But like- like, in an elevator or something, he'll just like chat up, and they probably don't wanna talk to him. Well, I mean, like -- not like -- he's not being creepy or anything.

Right.

And he's not, like, hitting on anybody or anything like that. But he would just like ... talking to them.

He would be friends with my- my dad [laughs].

[Laughs] Right, right. Yeah.

They would talk to each other in the elevator.

[Inaudible]. He's, like, great guy. You know what I mean? And like, but that's just how he is, you know? And ... yeah. Somebody said something about -- Joe said some- "What do I do with my hands?" That's a big thing with me too. And honestly, that's like -- what I -- one of the things I like about the -- this- this phase in our, like, collective lives of the Zoom stuff is that most times -- so right now, my camera's like scooted back a little bit so that we can both

Yeah.

-I've struggled with that, you know? Like, I don't -- do I just put my hands in my pockets or, you know? I dunno.

That's why I like pockets.

Yeah, yeah.

And they just don't make enough pockets for women.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, even earlier-

Pockets is -- are great.

-I -- we're -- Dan and I were like sitting at this conference table talking -- like, I move around a lot, and I've, like, recently, become more aware-

Mm-hmm.

-of how much I move by seeing other people on camera. And then I'm like constant- I think someone once gave me like feedback, "Don't move your hands so much. It's distracting." Like, whatever. Like, I'm gonna move my hands as much as I want it. Like, because I can. I said, I -- we've got spinny -- Dan's got spinny chair. So I got to do a lot of spinning [chuckles]. This is- this is what I do. I move all the time. But, like-

Yeah. You do it a lot too.

-when I'm in front of the camera in my office, like, I very much try -- I- I have to try very hard to sit still [chuckles]-

Yeah.

-and not move my hands everywhere because that is not my natural state of being.

It's hard. [Bekah chuckles] It's hard. Waving your hair -- ha-hands in the air. Yes. Joe said --

We did the wave one time at Virtual Coffee-

Ooh, right.

-in my breakout room. We, like, alf- we- we alphabetized everybody, and then everybody went. It was very exciting.

Do we miss -- oh, no. Oh, Marie had to go.

Oh, Marie.

We will see you, Marie. Yeah. I dunno.

We should -- is- is Kirk around? Can we bring Kirk on?

I don't know. It is Kirk Day.

Which is why we started.

He responded to [inaudible] well, that was 20 minutes ago, I guess. Are you DM him? Or should I DM him?

I DMed him.

Okay. We'll see if we can get Kirk on here.

Our celebrity. Our resident celebrity.

It'll be funny. Because once we get another person on this call, you and me, we'll be in one box. And Kirk will be in another one [laughs].

Yeah.

Oh, man. It's- it's crazy. It's crazy.

Kirk is at work. What's work? Can people do that?

Don't they know it's Kirk Day? I'm pretty sure they do. Because they is --

Oh, I mean, maybe we can have any Kirk. Nick has asked. That's a good question.

Ooh.

So, in our Slack right now, most of us have put our profile down, flipped it, and reversed it. But with Kirk's --

Huh. I see him. Kiirk.

Kiirk.

Alright, alright. Hang on there a second. I'll [inaudible]. Alright. We're gonna try to get Kirk in to join --

We're doing out best. If we disappoint you-

I just have- I just have to remember how, you know, work this [inaudible].

-we're sorry. We're doing our best to bring our celebrity on the stream.

Him is celebrity.

At least take -- 10 fakes in- in the chat as well. I wanna shoutout to Abbey Perini because she DMed me last night. She was like, "After midnight, put up this in your profile." So, Abbey has been an amazing observer of Kirk Day, and I could not have asked for anything better.

Oh, breakout rooms. I don't think we need breakout rooms.

We don't want breakout [inaudible] [all chuckle] -- where are we breaking out to?

I was trying to turn off the [inaudible].

Will the real slim Kirk please stand up? Yes. Oh, my goodness. We definitely need to find more ways to put Kirk into music.

All right. Kirk said, he can join in three minutes. So-

Should we-

-we have -- we -- [unintelligible].

-tell jokes? Tell joke. Joke.

I don't -- I'm not -- we just talk about for -- before. I don't know jokes. I can't remember them.

All right. I'll tell my joke. Have you all [laughs] [inaudible] about pizza?

Nope. I haven't heard that one.

[Laughs] Nevermind. It's too cheesy for pizza.

Oh, man.

When we do the podcast, Dan always wants me to adjust my microphone. And so then, I try and tell him jokes, which he ignores all of the time. And then some of our guests are nice enough to laugh. So, if you come on the podcast, please laugh at my jokes and roll your eyes at Dan.

Don't encourage her.

Please encourage me [laughs]. In my keynote-

You know --

-talk that I'm giving in July, I'm just telling jokes for 15 minutes straight because I can do whatever I want.

That'll -- that's true. You're the keynote speaker. So, that'll be your first and only time being a keynote speaker [all laugh].

But is it worth it?

Oh, Joe said I should fire you again -- wait! I did not fire you [Bekah laughs]. I reject the promise. I reject it! God, they keep trying to trick me!

Can't fire me anymore [laughs]. All right. But if anybody else has jokes, please put them in the chat and then I will deliver them because I'm-

You know what?

-very good at it.

She needs to deliver them because you are the worst joke receiver in the world. You know what she does? Yeah. You know you do, when you -- when I asked you jo- when I've like, I have -- there's been times where I've, like, pulled out some jokes.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah. Because I know that you appreciate them-

Mm-hmm.

-but she try -- she guesses the answers. She like -- she didn't say, "I don't know. What?" She, like, tries to, like, it's a riddle. [Laughs] You are, right? Like --

Isn't that how everybody do it?

No. No. No-

So, something [??]-

-it's not.

-"Oh no, Dan. I don't know. Can you tell me the answer [laughs]?"

No, that's not what -- what are you doing? You're fired [laughs].

[Laughs] Again?

Not again. For the first time I have fired you [Bekah laughs]. [Sighs] Man.

See? Exactly. Thank you, Joe. Joe knows. It's not a joke. It's a challenge. Every joke is the challenge.

That's not a -- mm-mm. That is not a joke.

Well, but a joke then is like a story that you tell with a punchline at the end, in- in your sense of a joke is.

I mean, you're- you're, like, stand up here? You're [all laugh] --

Yeah. Isn't that what everybody aspires to?

Oh, wait. Kirk here. Okay. Well, according to Kirk, one minute left. So, yeah. We'll see.

One minute. T-minus one minute.

Oh, Kirk was not consulted at all for any of this. That is true. I try not to consult Kirk at a time on things where --

We'd-

He- he- he --

-somebody be reasonable [laughs].

Yeah [laughs]. Yeah, right, exactly. Or, you know, where he might have time to think about whether he wants to engage with us. We try to- try to pull him in, you know, before he has a chance to, you know?

Yeah, no. We --

Avoid my ridiculousness.

Joe, yes. We do need a scoreboard. Maybe that will be next month monthly challenge --

Alright. So far it counts as one.

97 and counting.

[Chuckles] Oh, god. How did I not see that coming? Honestly.

I don't know. I didn't even think about it. And so we started talking and you brought it up.

I don't think it was me.

Yes. A Slack channel-

Yeah, definitely.

-or a Slack bot that posts every time that Dan fires me.

Hmm. How about a Slack button that just announces that Bekah is fired again?

Everybody-

That- that- that I'm- that I'm-

-just continuously fires me over and over [Dan laughs]. It's okay. Just keep firing me. It's fine.

Hm.

Kirk just preparing to be up here. Yeah, he probably -- sorry, Kirk, we're sorry that you have to prepare for us [laughs].

Yeah.

We were trying to send a drone that would just go scoop up Kirk-

Oh, how we gonna do this?

-and bring him to Cleveland.

Well, maybe Zoom will cut out the echo. I was just thinking-

Oh.

-I would have headphones. And then I was -- I don't know how to do that, really. We're just gonna try it. And I'm gonna count on you guys to tell us if there's a bad echo. Cuz I'm just gonna play it over the speakers. And because Zoom is actually -- usually pretty good at that. Like-

One headphone in your ear and one headphone in my ear.

I mean, if that's all we have to do, I -- you know, we can do AirPods or something. But like, that'll be annoying. I have -- I'm trying to think if there's any other ... solution. But literally, this is the first time I've ever sat next to somebody-

Okay. So, I -- here's --

-and- and try to be on- be on, you know, camera.

I mean, if I have my computer, I can-

Yeah.

-put on my AirPods and --

I mean, like, you can go on the other fucking room and do that, like -- oh, sorry. I did not mean to curse, but she made me have two beers. And she, you know, she forced me to do it. And -- which I've been meaning to talk to HR about, and they said you're fired, so ... [all laugh]. I would --

Fired again [laughs].

The reason I swore was because, like, you going out somewhere else sounds not fun is my point.

I meant-

I would be sad about that.

-just have my computer, and log on, and I would sit here-

Hm. I feel like you- I feel like you ended up getting a --

-but just so I could put the sound in my ear.

I feel like you'd get a delay, plus you'd hear me through there too. And through here too [laughs], you know?

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

So, we're gonna try it with [inaudible].

Do they have, like, covers for your AirPods that you're sharing them for someone else? Like, you know how, like, they-

Oh, yeah. We couldn't --

-have like the tongue depressor-

My airp- yeah, yeah.

-and they cover it? Or like the ear thing, they put a little thing? Do they have one of those for your AirPods?

The -- oh, yeah. That's -- as soon as I thought- thought of that, that's where, like, my AirPods are, like, gross right now. Like, I wouldn't wanna share that with anybody. So that would be an embarrassing thing to do as well [Bekah laughs]. There has to be some sort of like ... I dunno. I feel like back in the day, they used to have a lot of cool things of where you'd split the, you know? I probably, honestly have --

Did they have lots of cool things?

Yeah. Where they'd have a little splitter. So you have your iPod and the cord with the two things, and then you could- could sit-

Oh, I didn't have an iPod.

-in those cars. You could sit next to your friend in the -- or in the bus or the car and both just do the same thing.

What?

Yeah.

I said --

But those were recorded, you know? They were like --

Old people?

No. Fo-for like cool kids in high school that listened to cool music and had cool friends.

I was not a cool kid with cool friends in high school [laughs].

Alright. I didn't have it either, so ... it just seemed cool [all laugh].

What? [Inaudible].

Can watch the other cool kids. Ooh, Kirk is talking. It's said up there.

Oh, oh.

Where is he?

Kirk, are you here?

I mean, I can see you.

Hey! There you are [laughs].

Kirk!

I want you to know, like --

[Laughs] I just shouted.

It's Kirk!

I, like, feel watching the stream while I was getting ready. And then, there was a moment where I'm like, "This is -- there's a lot of going on here. I don't know- I don't know where I fit in. I don't have any jokes. And I don't have, like, any jokes [inaudible] rule formats." So --

But you're the best. So --

You know? Bekah, I- I feel like, what do you think are jokes and not what other [inaudible] [laughs].

[All laugh] Oh, no!

I just feel like you've taken, like, stand-up and competition, and you, like, flip them together instead that is all of jokes [all laugh]. [Inaudible]. There's more than jokes.

Oh, Kirk. I'm so glad you're here.

I just --

I think that's -- that was decades ago. I know it was decades ago because it was high school. Thank you for putting that out there. I appreciate that.

Decades?

Oh, god.

Let's start.

All right. Everybody else has said there's no audio issues.

Yay!

We are good.

We did it. We got the celebrity of the year here. Welcome. It's been a great year.

The- the celebrity of multiverse [chuckles].

Yeah.

I did -- this entire day, I've just been seeing threads ongoing. I don't remember talking though. No.

[Laughs] Yeah. I was -- I've been having the opposite problem where I r- I read as reading through a thread and was like, "Oh, who wrote that? Oh, that was me." Like, it's [all laugh] --

Dan said, "I think we're at lunches [laughs]." [Inaudible].

It's -- this is ... again, I just wanna make the record clear that I was not consulted about any of this. I woke up, I saw it, I just assumed Slack wasn't working.

[Dan and Bekah laugh] Yeah, it does that- it does that --

Nick Taylor, like, somebody would -- maybe read out was like, "I'm seeing pictures of Kirk." And Nick is like, "It happens sometimes." And it does. Like, sometimes-

It does happen.

-Slack put other-

Yeah.

-people's pictures.

Not upside down usually though.

No. And flipped it [inaudible] and reversed it.

Okay. So I'm gonna be clear. I was very dense. It took me way too long to figure out that's what that was. Again, I'm just -- I thought Slack was not working. And then I thought it was like, "Okay. Let's add one way for Kirk to distinguish himself from other people." But it wasn't even about me. Which I feel like it's the --

It's all about you. Every part of it is.

Kirk Day is about ... everyone. It's a- it's a VC event. I'm just-

It's about-

-just this small --

-celebrating how much we love Kirk.

Yep. It's true.

No.

We're lucky that Missy Elliott responded to you. So we can remember every day -- it's like Valentine's day. Because some people don't like Valentine's day, cuz they're like, "What is this? It's a commercial holiday to sell us chocolate, and flowers, and cars." And -- but, it's also a day to, like, remind you to stop and think like, "Oh, I'm going to tell this person that I love them today," right? And so, like, we often forget to tell you every single day that we

We do love you, Kirk.

We love you.

Ah, see? I wasn't prepared for this either. Go back to these jokes [Bekah and Dan laugh]. No, I don't wanna any -- I didn't sign up for any real emotions here.

Kirk, Kirk, since it's Kirk Day, do you wanna fire Bekah too?

No.

[Laughs] Alright.

I mean-

Thank you.

Alright.

Thank you.

-I feel like [inaudible] I have to be the one person who doesn't fire you.

Alright. I guess it's --

How many people do you think have fired me?

I mean, just based on the chat response, people seem to be really into you being fired. Like, as much as like Kirk Day, like, on their tier list of events, Kirk Day, Bekah being fired, that's what the people want.

The people want me to be fired [Bekah and Dan laugh]?

I dunno.

I don't even know what to do. I'm gonna have to, like, think about this very hard on my two and a half hour drive home. Why everybody wants me to be fired?

Well, you seem to be like really enthused about it, to be honest. Cuz you're the one who brings it up. Dan doesn't bring it up.

No. I'm just shaming him.

It's like your origin story.

It is- it is my origin story [Dan and Bekah chuckle].

Not teaching, not the women who code, like, it's all started when Dan fired me. And then the passion live inside.

Listen, my --

The second time it happened, less [??] fire.

My other origin story is not a -- it's- it's not -- it's rated PG-13.

What?

Why I got into coding?

Oh, why did I get into coding? I didn't -- I was have to --

I mean, I can tell that one, but then people always feel awkward. Cuz, like, when someone asks you how you got into coding and you use the word vagina, they're suddenly like, all weird about it.

Is that what gets you PG-13? I don't know [inaudible].

Yeah, for sure. I don't think you can say that in a PG movie [chuckles].

Really?

I --

I don't know.

You can drop one f-bomb in a PG-13 movie. So we're saw a PG-13 here. We're good.

Boom.

Dan, watch yourself.

What's gonna happen [chuckles]?

So, why would you really throw it all to Dan?

Because he already dropped one-

That's true.

-today.

Oh.

He dropped one and only.

Yeah.

He was like, "I'm gonna be the one that gets to drop it."

It's -- cuz I was worried about you leaving.

Okay. Yeah. No. You're in Dan's house now. So you get, like, what's-

It's not my house.

-where's the body?

It is my office. It's office.

Oh.

It is an office.

Yeah. It's actually Sprockets' office, which is who I do most of the work through. But I have my own, like ... well, I don't know this stuff. You know, I have my own room that is my office in the [inaudible].

I interpreted everything-

What do you call that words of room? What's the word for-

-you've said as [inaudible] house-

-that? Like, I have like --

-in a tree.

There is -- there's a suite of offices.

Yes.

And I have --

It's got its own little pod.

I have one of them.

There's a conference room and a couple of offices.

I believe that you are both in a tree house. I don't believe anything you say.

I would like to be in a tree house.

That would be cool. Emily and I went two weeks -- last week? When was I gone? I dunno. Two weeks ago, whatever it was-

Oh, yeah.

-to Amish country and got a tree house like Airbnb-

Oh, nice.

-it's like a newly built thing that was, like, well way raised up in the trees and stuff. It was really cool. Yeah. Highly recommend.

Gemma and I drove through Amish country recently on accident cuz I made a wrong turn.

Oh, yeah. That's always- that's always a great adventure.

And we went for shopping. And I- I got some large plastic bins for $3 each.

Amish plastic bins?

No. But there were $3 [chuckles].

One thing I learned, this trip, lots of Amish people now are into e-bikes, which was a surprise to me. But it was cool.

Ooh. I don't think I see an e-bike.

And it made sense once I thought about it. So, like lots of -- and it was honestly, there was a couple of men, mostly a lot of women, riding around on the country highways. I mean the same highways that the- the buggies are riding on, but like -- but they're just like -- and they usually had a little bike trailer, you know? But they're just like flying down. I went on an el- on an electric bike. It's cool.

Mm. Interesting.

Yeah.

Fun fact. Early in the history of bikes, there was like a massive upsurge in popularity with women because it gave them like assets to travel and, like, see their friends without having to, like, go through their husbands. And so, there was like a big, like, reactionary thing so that people -- they were, like, published articles about, like, the bicycle. Is it ruining your woman [laughs] to get them stay home again? Is that how that goes? I just- I just imagine some like

I don't ride a bicycle.

What?

I don't ride bicycles.

You can't or you don't?

You don't know how? Or you can't?

Well, both.

You don't know how to ride a bike?

Well, I- I did. But then I fell off it too many times. So I stopped.

[Inaudible].

So, you did know how to ride a bike.

I don't know. I mean, do you know how if you keep falling off? I had a bunch of stitches in my elbow. See? There's still scar there. I don't think you can see that on screen.

I can see it. It's there.

Thank you. Thanks for confirming.

It's very tiny.

It was larger, okay. For a long time [laughs].

Not a contest.

I once ran into a pole while riding on a bicycle. I don't ride bicycles.

[Inaudible], but the story --

[Inaudible].

I was on a flat path.

Yeah.

I can relate [inaudible].

I mean, there's like, I think -- I feel like you know how. You're just not good at it. And that's fine. I mean, like, you -- you're allowed to be not good at things, you know? But you know how to ride a bike. That's my point.

You're saying I'm not good at riding bike?

Yep. Challenge- challenge thrown down [chuckles].

I just don't know how [chuckles].

Wait. Can you swim?

I'm a great swimmer.

Okay. I'm just trying to figure out, like, on -- in a triathlon, like-

Whoa.

I was a lifeguard for like 10 years of my life.

She used- she used to, like, very well out there, Kirk.

-where are you struggling?

I taught children how to swim. I taught swim team.

So it's like swimming, running, cycling.

Mm, yes. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Fair.

That's it. I don't know. I probably would not ride a skateboard. I tried to do that with my child's skateboard, and I was like, "This is gonna break my hip."

It's gonna [inaudible]. Yeah. I was just worried about my [inaudible] --

No sled riding. I- I once almost broke my hip sled riding. I had to go to the emergency room. It wasn't broken, but gave me lifelong problems.

That's a lot.

When I was- I was on a mattress. I sled rode on a mattress. That was a bad idea.

So you were sledding, so much as mattress riding?

Well, so --

That's a little different.

I was, like, not good at sled riding. And so then these boys in college-

Okay. I'm in a --

-they were like, "Hey, let's take this mattress and we'll go-

I mean --

-on it. And you'll land on the mattress and it's soft."

Land?

And that makes sense.

I'm gonna take pause here.

Well, okay. So there was a ramp-

Yeah! Alright. There's -- I knew there's more of the story.

-but I was like, "Don't go over the ramp. They promised they wouldn't go over the ramp and you know what-

It does --

-happened? Everybody ditched the mattress except me and one other guy. And he landed on top of me and he was 200 pounds. I landed on my hip on the snow.

That is not sound good.

It was not good.

Your story started with, "I'm not good at sled riding." But as far as I'm aware -- now, remember where I live. So, I'm admittedly ignorant of these things. But aren't you just -- isn't it just like physics happening to you?

Yeah.

Like, how [inaudible] --

It's mostly the ramp that was a problem. I feel like for --

Well-

The slide riding-

-that was- that was my second slide riding accident.

-is easiest thing. You just put [inaudible]. Alright, Kirk. You totally right though. You just like sit on the sled and then-

Let the [inaudible], you know?

-let go out the hill. Yeah.

No! Sometimes, like, you wreck into things on sleds-

So, I feel like the-

-and bikes.

-important part about sled riding is picking your spot. Cuz if you go where there's like huge ramps or like — I don't know where else you crashed — but like, trees and stuff, you know-

Trees. It was a tree.

-probably not a good idea.

I hit a tree a couple of times [chuckles].

Yeah, yeah. Well, slides are hard to stee- like, they don't-

Yeah.

-they don't s- they don't -- they're not gonna, like, do a sharp turn steer, you know?

I remastered my fear though. My brother moved-

Sled is fun.

-down the street and has a great sled riding hill. And I have gone down that hill multiple times.

Yeah. You- you see? You can affect like s- like slow gradual turns on sleds. You know what I mean? But like --

I just [inaudible] straight down.

What -- I mean, I'm saying, you can turn slowly while-

Yeah.

you're going fast, straight down.

I was [inaudible] in the ground.

But you have to plan it ahead [laughs]. You have to plan it ahead or just ditch it, is what I would -- what I do when I wanna control.

Not gonna say [??].

Yeah.

Now in the chat --

Jeff is correct. He says I lift heavy things and I put them down.

Yeah. Somebody said we should do a challenge, a bike ride challenge. But it [Bekah laughs] would be [inaudible] I can actually-

Well, [inaudible] --

-I can sit- sit on a bike, and not move, and not fall over.

Dan has a nickname for his bike riding.

Yeah.

Yeah [Bekah and Dan chuckle].

Yeah. It's Hotshot. Yeah, somebody named -- I got-

[Inaudible].

-a nickname in- in high school. It- it originally from bike riding, but ... that was [Bekah and Dan chuckle] I don't know what all that stuff was, but --

Oh. Poop emojis?

Oh, nice. Yeah. Bekah's- Bekah's daughters sent me a poop emoji drawings because every time they come on the thing, and they always want, you know, whatever they're waving and stuff. And so I just started sending poop emojis and they thought of [inaudible]. So --

Well, I've always -- that's been very validating to me with, like, Bekah's family associates me with, like, pancakes and hot sauce. And, like, Dan gets poop emojis [chuckles].

So I'd-

[Inaudible].

-I don't think anybody knows this story.

I'm alright with that.

The one morning, a couple of weeks ago, we were making pancakes and my daughters decided they were gonna make pan-Kirks [chuckles], some pancakes that looked like Kirk. And then they argued over who would eat the pan-Kirk. But then, it -- we only had a little bit of butter left. So there was only one pan-Kirk and it looked like a tiny baby. So, I think Gemma ate baby pan-Kirk [laughs]. Kirk is like this very strange [laughs] --

She sent me this, like, "Look! They made, like, pan-Kirks." There's nothing special about the pancakes itself [Bekah laughs]. It's just a small pancake. There's no distinguishing. There's no, like, chocolate chip face. It's just a pancake.

We did our best with what we had, okay [laughs]?

Oh, man.

Well, your best is bad. Don't tell them. I was very [chuckles] -- it's very heartwarming, but also quite strange. I only know how to make pancakes from scratch, not the mix. And the, like, proportions I learned it at are the only way I can do it. So I can only make like enough pancakes, like, a full family. But my family quickly-

[Inaudible].

-like, [inaudible] they don't want pancakes. So I would just eat, like, two pounds of pancakes myself. Cuz I know --

You can freeze them-

Yeah. You- you --

-and then pop them in the toaster.

Yep. It's true. They're good that way.

Or I could eat two pounds of pancakes.

Right.

Yeah. That's [inaudible] [laughs].

So you're not [inaudible]. You're just bragging at this point, is you get to eat two pounds of pancakes.

And then I go up to them like, "You made me do this." [Dan laughs] That's the spirit.

I -- so we were talking -- I mean, we wanted to hang out in the stream or whatever, and just hang out with people. We talked about doing a podcast. Like, making this like a live podcast episode. I realized that we didn't do a random question or anything like that. So I was-

Wait --

-just -- I don't have a plan for this. I was thinking if I had [chuckles] somebody has a -- has- has a good, you know, random question -- or Kirk, if you --

Well, in VC today-

Or- or a riddle, really, [inaudible] Bekah.

-[inaudible] sort of like fake icebreaker was which part of -- not which part of your body hurts. Cuz the answer can be multiple. Well, like, which is the one you've noticed hurting, like, most, recently [chuckles]. Cuz somehow we just all started talking about the parts of our body with, like, creaks.

My traps [chuckles]. My traps hurt [chuckles].

Which ones are your traps?

Here, back here.

Oh, okay.

I have built up too much muscle, and now it's very tight.

I have that problems too.

And it hurts every day [laughs].

You have that problem too, right, Dan? You just way too much muscle.

I didn't do many trapezoid exercises. So --

Yeah. When I was a kid in school-

I just --

-I did all the triangle workouts. I saw [inaudible] --

You know, I get in the gym and I think tri- geometry I'm like, "Yo, those trapezoids --"

Boom.

What about your- what about your [inaudible] trapezoids [chuckles]?

[Inaudible] trapezoids [inaudible].

[Inaudible].

And you gotta get the- the whole, the acute-

Quadercept squad.

-and the obtuse -- the acute and the obtuse triangles. And then make sure you hit the -- oh, sh-

Squares [laughs].

Is it -- no. What's the- what's the per- is perfect triangle -- well, no. What's the ... equal lateral. E-equal lateral- equal lateral triangle as well. Make sure you hit all three of those. If you wanna do-

Yeah.

-a full workout, then you get into the 3D and you get some cubes. And, you know, you get some ... other hydron things -- oh, man. This is where I [inaudible].

This man is clearly --

I almost said it [laughs].

And sports is what we're saying. I think someone in the Slack was like, "Who could lift more weight?" Like, "Who could, like, deadlift more?" I'm like, "It's- it's definitely Bekah."

A deadlift- a deadlift -- Bekah would very easily -- I mean, most of these probably she would anyway, but like a- a deadlift, any of the ones where you need a form -- we need form and stuff, like-

That's all of them.

-the proper form -- I'm saying, I would just kill myself. Like, I would like -- my back would throw [inaudible] or something. You know what I mean? I have [inaudible] literally never works out. Like, I'm fairly strong, but Bekah works out all the time and it is very strong. I feel like a- I feel like a bench press is where I-

Yeah.

-like, I feel like a bench press, I probably could equal her.

Okay.

I dunno- I don't-

Oh, you for sure could ... kill me.

-think you were -- but like -- be- because with bench press, I don't have to worry about hurting myself very badly [chuckles] cuz my back is supported.

You could just sit. I mean, I've seen --

You know what I mean? [Laughs] Then it's just like -- and then it's ... you know? But like, any of the ones that like requires skill? I mean, she's-

Jesse and I talked about it last night.

-she's killing it. [Inaudible].

I was like, "I think Dan could crush me in bench pressing."

I'm- I'm I'm sup- I'm like-

He was on board for that.

-supposedly strong for somebody who doesn't ever work out.

What I wanna know is who wins in cycling. I think you could have an edge there.

Oh, for sure.

Cycling?

I- I don't know how to cycle [laughs].

After, you know?

Stationary bicycle?

After, like, elbow scar McGee over there. You got a chance.

Although, if we're going to have it -- so, somebody mentioned triathlons. And there's like triathlon teams too. So every -- most triathlons-

Oh.

-they have like team for competition, you know, as well. So, if we do a triathlon, would you do run or swim?

Probably swim.

Alright. So Kirk, that means you're on running? [Inaudible].

What am I better at than the two of you ... jokes? Ooh.

Ha-ha. Grrr.

What am I better at sports wise?

No, Joe. Bekah would win at push-ups easily.

Easy.

Oh, I don't know. I -- my shoulder is -- Kirk is still in the hundred push-ups challenge, right?

Yeah. But I don't do, like, the full ones. I'm doing like incline. No shame.

I -- my -- I hear my shoulder. I have a torn something.

You know, my thing with- with push-ups, honestly, that bothers me, is my wrists aren't flexible. Therefore my wrist hurt-

Oh, yeah-

-from bending back.

-you gotta work on that.

Yeah. Like, they don't, like --

My right wrist, from using the mouse all the time, is definitely tighter than my left one.

Yeah. I'm sure I could work on it if I want it to. But, yeah.

The tunnel- the tunnel I traveled through the most is carpool [??], for sure. But, like, they have those things, like, those things you can fold instead of pressing your arms flat on the ground. But they just -- they hurt-

Yeah.

-just put your arm in a different way. So I'm like-

Yeah.

-this just transferred the pain from like doing this to like straight through. So it doesn't help at all.

Yeah. Did you read Nick's comment?

Na- no.

Nick just says, "I saw someone mountain biking on a unicycle in a forest outside of Montreal. I wave to them and they fell. I laughed."

[All laugh] That's like a joker, but true story.

Nick- Nick, that does sound --

It's Montreal. So it's definitely [inaudible] [all laugh]. My trip to go home [inaudible].

Oh, man. [Inaudible]. I just imagine them like doing a jump [Bekah chuckles] on a unicycle, waving to Nick, and then, like, seeing them veer off into a tree and yelling "Sacré bleu," or something like that [laughs].

It's like "The Office". They have to yell, "Parkour! Parkour!"

Oh, my gosh. My kids love that.

Then, it'll away. No --

A mountain bike unicycle?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what?

I didn't even know it was a thing.

I've- I've seen those for sure. A-and, like, the people do, like, insane things on them. I've- I've seen them once. Oh, I- I don't think I've seen them in real life, but I've seen them on YouTube. If you want to know more, let me do --

I want to -- you know, on Spiderman, when they tell him do a flip, and then he does the flip, and then he was like "Oh, that's-

Yeah.

-so cool." I want to be on, like, both ends of that. I wanna be the person saying do the flip and then someone else does the flip. And someone says to me, I wanna be able to do the flip in that moment.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But that's never gonna happen. Just, backflips are terrifying. What am I better at than the two of you? This is -- I gotta figure this out.

Kindness [chuckles], documentation-

No.

-Elm-

Yes.

-games.

Hmm.

Well, I don't know if Dan's better than you at games or not. I like games, and very bad at them.

I only like like two things. But I've -- it's --

Yoga.

Hmm. Not anymore. That's --

Have you seen Dan do yoga?

I would pay money. I would- I would donate time and money to make that happen [Bekah chuckles].

I'm --

Kirk, Kirk, it is Kirk Day. You are allowed to ask him to do whatever you want-

Listen, I'm not doing any [inaudible] right now.

-right now, okay? No, we're not [??].

Not like the day of my daughter's weddings [??] [laughs]. Thank god.

[Inaudible]. I don't know. The -- I just -- I'm not very flexible at all that. I'm -- it's- it's a known fact.

Haikus, Kirk.

Oh, yeah.

Poetry. Maybe. I don't know.

Well, you -- you're- you're a poet. You poet. You poem.

Yeah. For sure, yeah [laughs].

We all have dabbled in the poetry.

We've dab- we have all three dabbled in the poetry.

I have --

One day --

You may be able to find all three of our poetry online, if you search hard enough [Bekah and Dan laugh].

I used to have a website. The first website I ever made was a WordPress site. It was called Shiver Sharks. Cuz that's a collective noun for sharks, and I found out. Cuz everyone else does like a poet of owls or like one on ones everyone knows. So, I'm like, "Give me a weird ones like a shiver or something like that." Great. And then I met the -- I saw someone who had the murder of crows, and I was like, "Boring." I really judged them about that. But my website's gone. So [all laugh].

Hm.

Oh, no.

And I think I saved- I think I saved everything from it as a RTF Rich Text. I'm like, "This is great." Lost that file. Worthless. Unhelpful. This was before I knew about markdown or anything, really.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Same.

Does anyone remember that thing we used to use to make websites? Ah. My professor in university used it. Eclipse -- no.

Dreamweaver?

I love Dreamweaver.

Dreamweaver!

That was the first time I ever code, it was in Dreamweaver.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah. I spent years in Dreamweaver, for sure.

It was --

I wanna do yoga with the goat too.

What?

Vir- Virtual Coffee retreat at Glenn's house.

I've seen the goat yoga videos. And as somebody who, like -- I see goats every day. Goats poop.

That's a real thing.

Yeah.

Goats poop.

Is the goat doing yoga too or is the goat just like --

You do the yoga, and a bunch of little like kid goats, just kind of, like, amble about, and sometimes they just climb you cuz that's their thing.

Oh, sure. I mean that -- yeah.

Can we do it with fainting goats too? And then we could, like, jump up and scare 'em?

Fireworks.

You're mean to the goats.

Yeah, Nick, I use Fireworks. Yeah, Dreamewea- so that's the Macromedia suite, like-

Oh, yeah.

-Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and then like Flash, if you do a Flash. And ... there was another one that I didn't use very much, like a more of designing one. But ... yeah. I was in Dreamweavers, Fireworks -- and, like, Dreamweaver was actually really good. Even not using the, like, generated stuff, but it was a good, like, code editor. Like, I used it-

Yeah.

-as my, like, just code editor for -- I dunno. I dunno when I stopped. But like a long time. [Inaudible].

Well, my first job out of -- my first full-time job out of college, I was a community organizer for an environmental non-profit. And the executive director-

[Inaudible] tracks [??].

-my first week, he was like, "Do you know how to use -- how -- do you know code?" Like, "No." He was like, "Okay. Go home this weekend and learn HTML and CSS. And I was like, "Okay." Like, Jesse was my boyfriend at the time. And I went home and he had like textbooks on HTML and CSS. So, then we went over those things, and like, "All right, I know it. I know it now [laughs]."

That's awesome.

It took all weekend. I'm pretty much an expert.

Nailed it. Yep. Yeah.

Just to say, Jeff- Jeff, in the chat, was like, "Do push-ups on your fists, no full wrist bend." Again, like, we're just trading problems here [Bekah chuckles]. That's not- that's not better. Yeah. Shoutout to -- that's a Dreamweaver. I remember like a lot of purple. It was all like purple involved for some reason. Oh, I have a great bad joke. I just heard it. This is apparently very popular, but it's the first time I heard it. Bekah, don't ... ruin it.

Okay.

Which --

Or Kirk's gonna fire you.

I -- do-

Kirk doesn't fire me.

-all Java developers wear glasses?

This is where you say, "I don't know why."

Oh. [Dan chuckles] I don't know why.

That was really good. Because they can't see sharp.

Aah.

Ooh, nice. I was not going in that direction. I was going more with --

If- if you were a software developer in like 1998, that would have been incredibly [inaudible][chuckles]. Like, back when they were basically like --

I never heard of C# in 1998. This is like C++ isn't it? When did C# become a thing?

Okay. 2005. That's, again, you know, back when like --

Well, you're like 13. You didn't hear of anything.

I wasn't 13. We don't need to talk about how old I was, but I wasn't -- I was in computer science in college, which was after that. And --

Nick Taylor's heard it though. That's all the validation I need.

[Inaudible] C++. Does C++ not exist anymore?

Yeah. People use it to write-

What's the difference between that and C#?

-Unity -- whoa, whoa, buddy.

I don't know. I'm asking.

How dare you.

I mean --

I'm not- I'm not saying there's no difference. I'm literally asking. I don't know.

C# is all .NET, right? It's all Microsoft.

Oh, okay.

Right? That's this -- if you're in Microsoft, 90% of the time you're writing C#. And C++ is not. C++ is still considered like the lang du jour for like high-performance stuff if you don't wanna get, like, down to C, I guess. But I feel like C++, their [??] favorite thing to do is like complain about C++ [chuckles].

[Chuckles] Sure.

Kinda like JavaScript devs.

Like, yeah, you -- if you get to a certain level, that's just gonna be --

Yeah. Like, if it's useful enough, like, there'll be enough code written, then there isn't something to complain about.

Like, Emily ... tells people -- like, sh- she was a -- on a trip with her grandma and she's like, "Yeah, Dan hates computers." And she knows that, like, I do this -- I do this for a living, you know? But it's true. [Laughs] I'm like -- I just -- she- she didn't understand -- you know, she's like, "What? What does that mean?" She's like, "Yeah. Dan hates computers." I'm like [laughs] -- cuz she told me a story -- cuz I was like -- oh, yesterday, I spent like three hours trying to get — I almost

The first time --

-I don't like them." So ... you know?

Well, the first time I learned Ruby, it was similar to Bekah's situation. I was in a internship. And they were like, "Well, we can't -- any -- you can't get any developers to help in this project. So you guys are gonna do it yourself." And we were like, "Okay." "Any of you know Ruby?" "No." And then -- this was back in the time they were like, "Here's the instructions for how to install this on your machine. If you get it wrong, you'll probably break

Yeah. No. That's -- it's like, it doesn't matter. Every time I have to do something with Ruby -- and I- I just do it so infrequently that it's, you know, that's why it's a problem for me, obviously. But --

To be fair, I feel like I do Python stuff all the time and I still mess it up, like, getting it to work on my machine. I'm just -- I just want things to work. I just wanna click work and then they work.

Yep.

Specifically the installation and running part.

Yes.

Yep.

That's the worst.

I got a tutorial, I'm like, "Oh, I'm gonna NPM, install, do your thing. NPM did its thing. Do the thing, run, didn't work. I Google the err- you know, it's bad when you search for an error and it takes you to, like, the official GitHub, like, issues unresolved page. Like, "Oh, no."

Damn.

I can't escape [inaudible] --

No, I was deep into that yesterday. A bunch of M1s that -- doesn't matter.

Yeah.

Anyway, computers are annoying. And I hate them.

Also, I have to go. So [laughs] --

Ooh. You have to leave at 3? Not 3.30? Aah.

I thought you were hanging out for like a week.

Oh, man.

I have children.

Bekah needs to go.

I have to go clean up the creek in my neighbourhood.

She needs to go clean up the creek.

Do you smokey the bear?

[Chuckles] For earth day. Week. Month.

Kirk, I just wanna say happy Kirk Day to us all.

We're glad to have you as our one and only Kirk-

Thank- thank you for joining us [chuckles].

-in the entire world.

I am-

That too.

-I'm happy to provide me as a catalyst for the cool people here. Kirk Day is weird. But the people who like it are great [all laugh]. We're kind of settled on this.

I'm glad you're around. We didn't plan any of this at all. So-

Mm-hmm.

-I appreciate you, you know?

Dan was like, "We should have an agenda." And I was like --

We did get a lot of stuff done today.

We got a ton of stuff done.

It was a- it was a good --

But most importantly, we saw Kirk on Kirk Day and changed our profile pictures-

Indeed.

-for Kirk.

Nick Taylor's profile picture is sideways. I don't --

[Bekah and dan laugh] We noticed that.

That's awesome.

It all makes sense.

The Kirk has gone rogue. [Bekah laughs] We are a legion.

[Laughs] Oh, my gosh. Well, that seems like a great way to end.

Yep. That's a good one. Thank you everybody for hanging out, and happy Kirk Day, and --

We'll see you all Thursday.

See you Thursday.

Don't- don't do another one. No more Kirk Days. From Kirk.

See you next year at Kirk Day.

We do what we want.

[Inaudible] next year. The end.

You gonna fire us [laughs]?

Yeah. I'm gonna fire every single one of you.

You said you wouldn't fire me.

Yeah. But it's collective. It's fine.

Alright.

Okay. Bye.

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