Hannah Kuhary- Using Astrology For Expansion & Personal Growth

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I follow her astrological wisdom and she has such a beautiful and brilliant way of bringing language into healing through her messages. So she is an astrologer and psychic intuitive who blends her knowledge of traditional astrological techniques. Classical mythology and accessible language that connects the unbounded exploration of the human experience into the uncharted depths of the universe.

She also works with the unseen, bringing higher awareness and perspective that reinforces a deeper resonance with our soul. So, I first, Hannah, wanna welcome you and just extend my gratitude for you and appreciation for you coming on and collaborating with me today. And if you wouldn't mind sharing a little bit about your story, but starting first with your Sun, moon and rising as we're both very big astrological fans.

And gosh, it's like where do I even begin about myself? First of all, I'm a mother. I have two young daughters and, uh, we live in Omaha, Nebraska. And I have always been curious about the unseen, the creepy crawly, the dark. I think that's the Scorpio part of me. Um, but I was definitely a child that was very sensitive to energy. I felt energy. I saw it.

Um, and it was really scary for me, honestly, because I had no really grounded perception of what these experiences were because no one ever taught me that this was normal. Um, so there was a lot of fear I think, growing up around these intuitive spiritual experiences that I had. And, um, as I moved through my younger adult life, a lot of that kind of turned off for me as I was focused on going to school and university, um, and doing more of my, you know, interpersonal growth.

And really for me, so much of that came back around and became really reactivated my life once I became a mother. And I think, um, whether you are a mother of a physical child or an animal, that caretaking role really I think softens a part of our hearts that sometimes can be hardened by the world, by our daily lives through trauma, through heartbreak. And it was just a reconnection with I think, my spirit around, um, yeah.

You know, experiencing things and understanding things that I can't put, maybe a rational, um, I can't put my finger on in a rational way, but were still very real to me. Um, and so I just decided to see what, what would happen. And it was never my intention to be a professional astrologer, although I've loved astrology since I was, um, like a teenager. Reading the backs of magazines. My horoscope.

Yeah. Um, but I've loved storytelling and mythology and history and philosophy and it was just sort of natural connection for me to, to channel my enthusiasm and excitement for learning about these things, um, in a really applied way. So I've been studying astrology now for almost a decade and have worked, um, with some really incredible mentors as well.

And in terms of psychic mediumship as well, I've had, um, mentors that I've worked with and yeah, I've just kind of let the adventure direct me in the way that it wants to go. And, um, yeah, like I said, this was never part of the plan. I went to school for communication. In public relations and did that in the corporate world for a while before going back to school and getting my asthe uh, esthetician license.

And I've been a, uh, practicing professional makeup artist for almost 13 years now for both commercial and uh, bridal makeup. So that's something that a lot of people know about me.

It's just so representative of how intuitively connected you are into the spirit realms when you're able to tap into somebody without even their physical presence, you know? Mm-hmm. And so I'm just curious what led you into offering astrology and then the intuitive sessions together? Because I feel that so many people feel it has to be one or the other.

And like myself, I blend a lot of astrology into everything that I do from my animal communication to my entrepreneurship, to my inner growth and self-development stuff that I offer. And I feel like it's so important for people to understand it from an embodiment. Aspect as well. But then there's also this whole other side of it that I offer and I just, I feel like so many people get really tripped up on it has to be one or the other.

And I'm just curious how you landed in branching out into both these realms.

You know, it's, it is learning a language essentially through symbols and through meaning that we put upon the planets, the signs, their aspect, the com, the way that they communicate together. So to try to separate my intuitive knowing with. Also kind of more of the academic application that I put to reading astrology. I, I can't do it. Mm-hmm.

So, um, you know, th that is kind of the thing about astrology is when we, or you know, doing tarell or anything like that, when we're using a modality to essentially divine, we are tapping into a greater consciousness, a greater energy that we are all a part of. And it doesn't really matter what modality that you use, you're receiving information that maybe you wouldn't otherwise have access to or have a reason to know.

Mm-hmm. So when I look at someone's moon, for instance, and I see the house placement and the aspects to the moon and the phase of the moon and the house that the moon rules, you know, there's a lot of things that we can kind of deduce from a traditional kind of more academic. Approach to astrology, but there's also an intuitive feeling that guides me towards this moon. May, may, um, behave in this way versus this way. So there is definitely a feeling aspect.

Um, so I think, you know, I just, like I said, it wasn't intentional to sub to, to bring them together necessarily, but I can't do one without the other. So it's like cutting off one of my arms and then expecting to just drive a car or something. I don't know.

Sponges and we're so receptive to energy and responsive to energy, and so when we have an understanding of what's going on in in the collective, in the cosmos, it's really beneficial in understanding like, oh, I feel really heavy. I feel depressed today, or I feel this. Was oddness and, and a lot of the times it's energy.

But what I've found is so often people internalize it and they think, especially when we're in this and we're so committed to our self-development and our inner work, it's automatic. Like the response is automatically, there's something wrong with me. I need to heal something. Yeah. Versus just looking and understanding what is the energy right now, and maybe that's actually what's going on. And being able to respond to that and knowing I, I just gotta set this out for a few days.

Like right now the energy's kind of weird and I'm like, it's just like, it's just a little wonky, you know? And it's gonna feel a little weird for the next week or so, and then we'll move through it, you know? So how does that, how do you feel that that has impacted you and being able to understand the energy cycles and also when you're working with people and how has that shaped your life? Yeah.

And I think just recognizing that we are always going through these waves of cresting and troughing and, you know, building and breaking down and, you know, life and death, these are constant cycles that we are moving through. Feels, at least to me, um, or brings me a sense of comfort to know that whatever hardship we may be moving through right now, it could of course feel debilitating and I don't wanna devalue people's challenges and, and hardship, but it's not gonna be that way forever.

And, you know, the momentary discomfort or pain that we may feel. Could and will feel different in a day from now, two days from now, a month from now. And I think that is actually what is really grounding for me about astrology and even just bringing like intuition back into it as well. Sometimes I think people in the spiritual community just gets so blown out in, in working with energy in these unseen realms that they forget that like, we're physical beings, we're meant to be on earth.

Like we're not here in life to escape our responsibilities and obligations and, and to devoid ourselves or to deprive ourselves of touch and physical pleasure and enjoyment of like being a human like, and all of the, the challenges and good things that come with that.

And so I think having those, um, Yeah, those modalities, like I said, with astrology or refuse tarot or something like that, it helps to bring what is completely uncontainable down into a way that is digestible and practical and you can see reflected out in nature, in your relationships, in your families. You know, it, it feels more tangible and I think, at least for me, that's what's really grounding about that.

I had Uranus opposition in my natal chart, you know, my, my opposition happening. And I also had it square my moon UUs, square, my moon in the eighth house, my moon's in the fourth house, you know, so there was a lot of, of that, that energy happening where it's like this eighth house energy is, you know, that it's loss. Yeah. It's transformation. And I'm still experiencing some of it, but I'm on the sort of like, kind of tail end, you know?

Yeah. But then my Chiron is about ready to transit my natal Chiron, so it's like, you know, in the eighth house. So it's kind uhhuh. To me, I find it fascinating because, and I, I don't, I don't know about you. I try not to use it. So predictively in mm-hmm. Looking way ahead. You know, I look more in the now, in the moment of, all right, this is, this is happening.

And what was interesting about that transition, like those transits, is that my sister, my older sisters also were both labor risings. So she had the same thing going her eighth house, fourth house, you know, her moon's in a different house. But it was just really interesting how we both had all this eighth house transit stuff happening. Mm-hmm. And then here was the loss of our father.

Here was the loss of our grandmother here was like all this transformational stuff that we were really moving through to get to this deeper healing on the other side of all that death and transformation. So I just s I find it fascinating to be able to put that together and be like, okay. This is a cycle versus getting so far ahead in the future where we're trying to be so predictive with it. But how do you feel about predictive astrology?

But we, if we could have a general sense of, okay, these are, these are the archetypes that we're kind of coming into, or this is the energy of the future that we may, these are some themes of that energy that we might be dealing with. I think it can help us to prepare or again, to temper expectations of what that time in our life may look and feel like.

So, The notion of looking ahead always, at least for me when I do prediction, always includes looking in the past because again, everything is a cycle. We're not moving in linear time from point A to point B. It's a circle that's going around and around. So what's coming in the future may have already manifested in some way in the past. And a great example of looking at that is, you know, planetary cycles. Jupiter makes 12 year cycles. Saturn makes 29.5 year cycles.

Um, We have the nodal access, which is a really powerful kind of point of direction and development in our life that, that, um, repeats every 18 and a half years. So, kind of looking back in time as well of like, what have we already experienced when we had these planetary configurations in our chart? What was developing for you or what was beginning for you that is now coming into conclusion or into culmination?

I think, again, can be really grounding and help us to not be afraid of what we can't perceive yet or what is unknown to us. Because I think human beings have this sense that the future is, um, Because it is so wide open, it's completely untethered to anything we've ever known when in reality it's not, it's, it is some kind of replication of something we've experienced at some level, whether it's a collective experience or personal.

I think drawing from past wisdom as well from past life experience reminds us that we always have the tools that we need to be able to persevere and to, um, endure whatever it is that, you know, the universe throws at us. So, Yeah. Uh, it's kind of twofold there with future and, and the past as one I,

And not that I don't wanna go to the past cuz it's just like, we don't like to bring up all the past of everything and I feel like we don't need to bring all these things up just to continue our healing process. Just the knowledge and awareness of what happened. But I feel the way that you just explain that through the astrological cycles make so much sense.

Um, Were those of us that do get really uncomfortable with that uncertainty of the future and how am I gonna be able to navigate these difficult times? Going back and seeing, oh, well you can validate yourself or what, and sort of get some themes of, this might be happening in my life again and but like in a different way or different area and show up with, like you said, the tools in a more empowered way. So I really love that philosophy.

I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to really start like opening up my paradigm with that because that's a really unique way of looking at the cycles in that, in that sense. So, yeah,

And I'm not, I'm not suggesting we need to move backward, but it's, it would be a disservice to us as a, the human race, as a collective, as a global family, to not learn from the past. Mm-hmm. And to also give ourself the credit where credit is due. Because oftentimes we go through things that we're not even, we're not even conscious of in the moment of just how profoundly transformative those experiences are.

Whether it's heartbreak or loss, or even something simple of like changing your behaviors or being a better listener or being a more, um, connected partner or something that only with time are you able to look back and recognize, wow, I've changed so much, or I've improved so much. You know, and to just be able to have that framework to. See more of who you are and to see how you've developed and changed.

Um, I think is, again, it's just, it's, for me, it just has been, has such a profound mirrored effect of helping to give myself a clear picture of not only who am I now, but who I've been and perhaps who I am becoming to.

I find fascinating of, you can look back through the, the generations and the decades of, like, especially with Pluto, I feel you. Mm-hmm. You can really see huge collective themes and, um, that's really fascinating to me. I'm curious to know what, I have a couple questions. There's so much going through my mind cuz you're, of course, your language is so amazing and it's very invoking and it's just bringing up all these really, um, uh, thought provoking, um, Questions for me, so, okay.

What do you feel are the most important planetary cycles that happen and why? And like what would be your suggestions of like working with that cycle?

But Saturn is ultimately as well as Jupiter, but both of those planets are the planets that connect us to society. They are the, for the tradit, for traditional astrologers, they were the outer planets until Uranus and Neptune and Pluto were discovered. And so those were the outer limits. Those are how we as individuals then were connecting to society, to government, to movements, to groups. And so Saturn being that outer limit piece, um, you know, has definitely a generational impact.

It takes nearly 30 years to move around the chart. And as it does, it completely resizes the areas of of life as it's moving through the different houses. And sometimes those experiences are really profound. You know, Saturn was the planet of death before Pluto was ever discovered, and it still represents death, detachment, endings, culmination.

And so of course, having those experiences in our life, whether it's ego, death, losing a, a family member, the loss of a relationship and a heartbreak or a job, there is something that has to be rebuilt from that loss. And that's Saturn that is helping us to, you know, create new scaffolding in that area of our life to create a new structure. And I love to envision Saturn as, as literally the skeletal system since it rules our bones and our teeth.

You know, it's how do we fortify ourself during times that are really, really hard? Um, you know, and, and, yeah. So I think Saturn is, is a big piece of that. And. You know, we'll have two Saturn, full Saturn cycles in our life, maybe three if we're lucky. Um, but, you know, Saturn cycles are also broken up into seven year, uh, iterations.

And so, you know, as we start to kind of look down between our Saturn Square or Saturn opposition, you know, the waning square, all of those are also indicators are kind of, um, checkpoints of how well do we think that we're doing. And it really is about the self-reflection of have I put in the work? It's not about blaming other people for our circumstances or, you know, casting projection on other people getting in the way of our success.

Saturn's like, no, you need to look at yourself in the mirror. So there is, you know, this really profound, um, cycle of becoming that I think happens with Saturn. So that's something I always like to look in at the chart and also to see where are people in their own Saturn cycle as well. Mm-hmm. Um, The nodal access as well. Um, transitioning around the chart I would also argue is a really profound, um, cycle.

Not as much as an indicator indicator or a predicted tool per se, but it, it will shape our life in a way that is unexpected but necessary. And the eclipses also that kind of fall into either our nodal opposition or our nodal return can be really important times in our life where, um, things are getting stripped back or they're dropping in as opportunities in an unexpected way and we're learning to make the best of it, or we're. Being transformed by the wisdom that it's offering us too.

Right. You know, and this, I always find it interesting cuz I have a Capricorn moon, I work in Saturn energies all the time. Mm-hmm. I also have three planets and acquirers that are personal planets, so mm-hmm. It's also being. Past, previously governed with Saturn. It's like Saturn energy is very comfortable for me. Yeah. Um, I have to like break out of it sometimes. Yeah. And just go enjoy, go have fun, you know, like mm-hmm.

And it, that makes it sound like that's a really hard thing for me to do. It's not, but I just have to snap out of it. Work is very comfortable for me. Mm-hmm. Building into things. The long game is very structured business. Totally. Not seeing those things very comfortable for me and holding that space. But when those cycles hit and they're, they're like on your sun and you're have all this momentum and how. It slows things down is so, can be for me. It's frustrating.

Yeah. Cause I do like to keep that momentum, you know? Mm-hmm. And it teaches me to really sit back and be in the slow down. Mm-hmm. And just appreciate life. And then also taking that responsibility, the personal responsibility for, okay, you wanna go here, but what do you have to shift in your world to be in alignment with this at this time? You know? And I feel like it's more of the father. It's kinda like the father, like, here's what you need to do, you know? Yeah. I'm like, fuck you man.

Yeah. It's, oh, I'm

Recognizing what's within our limits and boundaries as mortal beings, we can't do everything. You know, Jupiter can often overinflate our sense of what is possible. Mm-hmm. And I get it. Everyone loves Jupiter cause he's like Santa Claus. He shows us what we can hold and what we can expand beyond that. But Saturn is, is the reality keeper.

Saturn's the time keeper and says, you know, this may not be possible right now because of X, Y, and Z. And the sooner we can grasp kind of what is real and what is um, fantasy or fictional, I think the easier it is for us to be able to accumulate the resources or energy or whatever it is that we need to be able to apply towards. Our dreams and our goals and our, and our, um, desired success. Mm-hmm. So, you know, I think of Saturn a lot is like, you know, Saturn is the symbol of the sky, right?

Of stripping back distractions and kind of keeping things honed in detaching things that are taking away our energy, that are sucking us dry, that are pulling us in multiple directions and keeping us from whatever it is that we have our sights fixated on.

And, you know, I realize that's not always comfy for people when we wanna be able to just do whatever we want on a whim, but I think there is some truth to a life lesson of if there's something you really want in life, you have to be able to apply yourself and you have to be willing to put in the work. Um, and Saturn shows us where we're not doing that. And yeah, that's, that's tough. You know, Saturn's associated with the, the sentiment of, or the temperament of melancholy.

So there's sadness that comes from that, but. There's, um, I think within that sadness or that, you know, kind of tempered mood, there's also this recognition of something bigger outside of ourselves and the possibilities that we hold within us that we have to just be willing to grab. Um, and I, I resonate that a lot too with just like Saturn moving through Pisces at the moment, um, as well, but, Yeah, I

I don't have planets there, but PI is in my sixth house, so normally I like to kind of la la, la. I don't like a lot of, I mean, I put structure in my day. I shouldn't say I don't like it, but typically my day will have moments where it's a little bit more fr free flowing. And this cycle has been a really intense one for me because it's definitely brought in this air of. Going back into some overworking to the point of, you know, getting really anxious and stressed and not so much burnout.

It's really hard for me to get burnt out because I love what I do so much, but getting to the calls, like, okay, like I'm gonna make the impact I gotta get there. You know, and it's, and it's, I feel it's helping me so much because it's, it's tempering all that passion, all that energy. And I have put more structure into my world that has been so helpful. Mm-hmm. And I already have a lot of structure.

I mean, I have a capric Chromia in my closet, and it's like organized by color, but with, with the. Different processes, seeking help, seeking assistance, hiring a va, you know? Mm-hmm. Things are really helping me function better on the backend so that I can move into creating that impact. It's not gonna probably happen right now, this year. I mean, it is, I'm making impacts, right. But it's all for the, the next cycle, the next phase, right.

And it's in preparation of, and so I love how you're, when you share it like that, it really brings this, it's here to help us. So what is it that you're needing help and guidance around and talking and working with that Saturn energy and letting it really feed you in a positive way so that you're not fighting against the grain so much and fighting against what's really here, you know? And, and the Jupiter, you know, I love Jupiter too, but I, I agree with you that it can.

It can have this sense of inflation. And even the way that a lot of astrologers talk about it is that it's all positive. Mm-hmm. Not necessarily, I mean, Jupyter expands. So, you know, I don't know how you feel about this, but for me, I feel like that also means it will expand on the negative. It's going to expand wherever you're at. Right? Mm-hmm. And it's not always like, I'm gonna expand into loads of money. You know, it's, I dunno.

It's just, I can be a little, um, idealized at times, you know?

You know, um, I mean, Jupyter, Jupyter Cycles are great for learning and growth in terms of spirituality and academics and, um, you know, languages and culture and all of that. Mm-hmm.

But, um, yeah, just like with, with anything, I think it's important, you know, if we're talking about the planets, they all have their positive and negatives and just accepting the polarity that the planets hold just as we do is again, just a really grounding feature I think of, of at least how astrology has shown up for me and helped me to lend more compassion and kindness to the parts of myself that maybe were, that felt a little bit less lovable or a little less.

Soft or beautiful or worthy or whatever it is, of just recognizing, well, if the planets can hold the, the different expressions, the paradox, you know, if the moon can have many different faces, then, you know, why shouldn't I be able to love myself for those

And it's like, well, you know, there are a lot of badass people with Pisces Moon. You know, that's not like, it's like it's, it's so, there can be this over-identification with what people perceive as debilitating, like a Capricorn moon. You know? I mean, that's, could I, if you use the language traditional Astra as astrological language, it's debilitated, you know? Mm-hmm. And sure.

I have come with a lot of lessons in this lifetime and the burdens of over responsibility as a child and moving through a lot of traumas with my father and my mother and different things. It's also in my fourth house, so, It's there, you know, it's, it's, it's there to transform. But what I've loved, learned to love about it is how much resilience it's given me. You know, that grit that mm-hmm. Ability to keep moving forward, you know, and it is a little detached emotionally.

So that, in my case, in my life, has been a benefit because it's helped me move through cycles. I've had to learn to bring in emotion, you know, bring it back in. But it was also a really good gift at certain times of my life. So I just, I'm curious what your thought is on that with these perceived, you know, another one, uh, Mar Square Pluto or big heavy squares in our charts. I have that, you know. Yeah. You read about it, it sounds God awful. You know, it's like, it's

However, that means that the planet is having to accommodate or adjust in a new way to be able to perform and do what it needs to do. For instance, I have Mercury and Sagittarius, which is considered in, its in its fall. So, you know, normally, um, mercury likes to be in Gemini. It's exalted in Virgo. It likes little bits of information. It likes to move very fast. It likes precision. It's, um, it's focused on the communication and being able to make those logical connections.

But in the sign of Sagittarius, it looks at things from a more expanded view. It's not. As focused on the, uh, linear aspect of more of like the Gemini thinking or the Virgo, uh, thinking for Mercury. In that sense, it looks at things and makes judgments based on patterns and associations and symbolism, which I feel like is perfect for my work, you know, of drawing analogies and bringing symbolism in together. But math was a huge struggle for me.

It's not easy for me to write in a really methodical way. I need to have ambiguous space to be able to use my words. Even the fact that like, I talk with my hands, but not up close like this. I talk like out here outside of my body, like very Sagittarian aspect here. It's like big and open. So yeah, I think planets that are not in their traditional domicile have certain challenges that a, that a, um, domicile planet don't have.

However, I guess you could argue that that planet in some way also has kind of. Um, a hidden talent or this, like, this extra grittiness that it's working with in order to fulfill its job. Mm-hmm. Um, now with astrology in general, I don't like casting our, you know, our, um, our will over to our charts. Yeah. You know, we can't, we can't blame our charts for our shortcomings. I mean, we all have a sense of responsibility. Um, I think it describes a lot of our behaviors.

I definitely think that our chart tells us a lot about where we fall short, where we are having to put in the work. I mean, I have Saturn conjunct my descendant, and that has been a really hard aspect for me, um, throughout most of my life. And I also have my moon square Jupiter, which is conjunct the south node in Sagittarius, which is a huge energy suck that keeps me in like the spiritual realm and spiritualizing everything instead of looking at things in a more integrated, rational approach.

So yeah, you can argue both sides to any placement. I think it's important to try to keep things. Um, objective, and what I always tell my clients is like, be curious about your chart. Like be curious about your placements, um, and to know all the angles of how that shows up for you. Because every planet, even a strong one, also has some blinders on. I think about, about exalted planets. People love to put exalted planets on a pedestal.

Yeah. They, they do, they have like the best view in the house, so to speak, but just because things are easy doesn't mean it's better. So, you know, there's always two sides to coin.

And he is, even, he knows, he never understood it till I explained to him what Mercury such is, and he is, oh, I get it now. Because there's sometimes an insensitivity that comes across with it, but mm-hmm. But I feel mm-hmm. That, um, it's not that they're trying, it's just coming from a very, like, this is, this is it. It's that bigger expansive. And it's almost as if it's not really the rest of humanity. It's like, why don't they see this? Or like mm-hmm. Like, this is really it, you know?

And I love that cuz for me having Mercury in Aquarius, I just, I love all that it, and it's probably such a huge reason why you're invoking all of this in me. It's like, ooh, okay, this is like waking up things in me. It's very activating for

Yeah, having to work to, to look at things from another angle, and that is, that is the grittiness of planets in their fall or exile is like, they're having to look at the obstacle and figure a way around it. And however they're figuring how to work through that is gonna be really unique to them. So, um, yeah, like, I think people forget that Libras sons, like Libra is in its exile, or the sun is in its exile in Libra. You know, it's not a place where it likes to be.

Um, and yet I have, I'm married to, uh, a Libra son and he has a Capricorn moon. I think it's great, right? They're great qualities of a Libra son. They're able to see other people, so clearly they're able to hold space and be incredible listeners and see multiple points of view and hold polarity so beautifully. But then when you think about, okay, it makes sense because the, the purpose of the sun is to shine our individual. Light, you know, which is best done through the sign of Leo.

You can understand why it's debilitated in a sign that has to see from another point of view, but it doesn't mean that it can't still be fantastic. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So there's, there's a purpose for it all.

It's in two weeks and then it's done. But now the awareness of how long these cycles actually do last, um, I feel them really. Intensely every cycle. Mm-hmm. And it doesn't really necessarily matter if there's something in particular a planet working with whatever, with the energy. I just feel them really intensely. I feel a lot of people feel them really intensely, especially us as like if you're an empath, if you're, you know, highly sensitive, intuitive.

And that because there's so much purging in the collective mm-hmm. I think it's really heavy for our bodies to move through that. I'm, I'm a Libra rising. I have Pluto on my ascendant and my north node on my ascendant, like all. Mm-hmm. And so I feel that's one of the reasons why energy work, cuz I'm moving energy a lot, you know, I can, like the Libra can help balance energy, but it, it can feel really heavy in those cycles.

So I'm curious for, from your perspective and the way that you worked with these cycles, how have you found. Access to move through them in a way that's more efficient without it draining you physically, mentally, emotionally. And then also, how long do you feel like we're really working with them when they happen? So from like start to end sort of points? Yeah,

I think if you have, um, you know, if you're coming in an eclipse cycle and maybe the eclipses aren't lighting up personal planets for you, or they're not in angular houses for you, chances are they are in someone's chart that's like related to you or your family or your friends. And so, you know, oftentimes at least I've, no, I've noticed this. Is that.

Some of the most intense, intense eclipses aren't ones that necessarily fall in, um, angular houses for me or personal planets, but they affect the people around me in my environment so intensely that it is inescapable. Mm-hmm. And while, like, like you're saying, I mean, even if you're not an, even if you don't feel like you're an empath, it's, you see it on the news.

I just, I, I laugh every time we come into an eclipse season and shit hits the fan on the news and the media and it's like, well, of course, you know, it happens everywhere, perpetuates everything because eclipses peel back the surface veneer, you know, the gloss of society and life that we are comfortable with just not having to take a look at. And so suddenly, when these.

Parts of our path or parts of ourself are illuminated, or parts of other people are illuminated in an unexpected or unfavorable way, it can feel really disruptive and shocking. So I think my advice with just like working with eclipses is to just give yourself spaciousness and to really just tune in to what your body is asking for. Because usually lunar eclipses in particular are very emotionally draining and they really are purge points, especially if they're conjunct the south.

No, they really are like flushing the toilet of a bunch of baggage that needs to be let go of and released. And to just give yourself the grace to move through those feelings with as little judgment is necessary. Um, in terms of the timelines with solar eclipses, with it being, um, you know, a, an activation with the sun, we're talking about future, um, unfolding.

We're talking about future manifestation, and so I like to give it the full six months between eclipse cycles for those events to take place. Oftentimes with solar eclipses, we won't see the full manifestation of what's coming to light for that cycle until we reach the next eclipse cycle. So, for instance, the solar eclipse that happened at 29 degrees of areas back on April 21st.

We definitely saw a lot that was coming up around, you know, gun control, um, arms, you know, mass shootings here in the us. Um, second Amendment, like those are all very martian. Aaron, um, Arian themes, how that is going to be resolved or perpetuated is, may take six months or it may carry over into the next eclipse cycle to have some form of resolution understanding. With, uh, lunar eclipses because it is a, essentially a full moon or a culmination.

We are looking at like a three month, or excuse me, a um, three week window. I usually give it about three weeks to a month after the lunar eclipses, um, occurred. To let those integrations kind of sink in and for us to become conscious of whatever has been peeled back or brought to the surface or dredged up. So, um, solar eclipses is definitely more impactful, but lunar eclipses, I feel, are more draining.

Yeah. They bring us to the what is really behind that. And when those cycles are so hard, it's like almost cracks you wide open. Yeah. And you're just raw, you know, and it, and it's gonna bring up everything to that's there at that time that you're ready at your, at your soul level, at your personal level to really release and move through to get to that next layer. And those have been some of the toughest in my life when those mm-hmm. Have happened. So I think

I'm realigning you. There's always this sense of time either speeding up or slowing down. So it's almost feeling like you're in this like, I don't know. I feel sometimes like in eclipse season, like I'm being held in jello. It's this very weird kind of murky, yeah, sludgy feeling energetic energetically, but. It is that cosmic reminder that so much is out of our control and it reflects back to us, how are you, how are you rising to meet this? How are you handling this?

And I think just that element of surprise, especially when it's emotional and we are like, no, I'm not prepared to deal with this yet. Or I wasn't prepared to let this relationship go, or, I'm not ready to deal with grief or whatever it is. It's that reminder. Like, we don't always get to choose our timeline on things. And yet that doesn't, that doesn't mean that, um, we still can't. Of course then, Adjust how we're showing up or how we're gonna deal with things.

But, you know, humans don't like to be in a state of discomfort. And if we're being honest, I don't think humans particularly like a lot of change in general despite what we um, what we prophesize

Animals leave the planet. And that is heavy to deal with. Yeah. Or it might bring up, like, this last cycle with my oldest dog really brought up some health stuff. Mm-hmm. I, I almost thought I was gonna lose her. She didn't. She, she pulled through and I always think, oh, okay. Made it through that cycle, you know?

Yes. But it is bringing up, you know, I feel I'll probably be dealing with that over the next six months at some point with her, because it that, and it's the awareness of like, this is coming every moment with her is precious. Mm-hmm. And how are you gonna spend time in this now moment instead of rushing through life, you know, and really take that time to embrace this last. Part of, of my existence with her in this lifetime. So, yeah.

You know, and, and that might be really hard for some people to look at and reflect at because we don't want to, like you said, move through that grief, but it's inevitable. And how we choose to look at it is, is really gonna be the difference of how we can evolve and grow through those cycles versus getting stuck in it of victimhood of everything's so horrible for me and I'm always losing everybody cuz I could have done that.

I lost a lot my, my dad suddenly last year, my grandmother, you know, six months prior to that. Moving through it. A lot of great things during that time too. But I could easily fall into this victim mode of like, oh, I'm here. I am moving through more loss cuz Uranus is in my eighth house and these are cl you know, it's like, yeah. It's just, yeah, I'm not, that's, I personally am just not gonna allow that to govern my life. I'm gonna look at everything as an opportunity.

That is a perspective I had to really. Sort of acquire, you know? Yeah. It didn't work naturally for me. I had to acquire that perspective and make a conscious effort for that, so. Mm-hmm. Um, I do wanna shift gears because Yeah, a lot, I mean, we could go down, I mean, yeah, we could talk for hours, we could go down this rabbit hole for, and then probably continue to go down other rabbit holes on this. It's so fascinating.

Um, and I just wanna shift a little bit of gears because so much of what I want this whole podcast to be about is the awareness of the shame and judgment and rejections and sort of normalizing what we move through. And you've been doing this for quite some time in Divine sky, mystic, and in your, your sessions and also your evolution in this journey. And I'm curious to know if you're, you know, feeling like sharing, um, whatever's comfortable for you.

What have been some of the most difficult cycles during your evolution as the entrepreneur and moving through your spirituality and the entrepreneurship and community and how you show up, how you speak and what you do, and what maybe you could elaborate and how that's reflected back to

Um, so of course there's a lot of like learning that comes with being an entrepreneur of trial and error of what works, what doesn't, and whether you buy into this notion of like, Needing to replicate your work or your business to look like someone else's, um, or not.

The reality is that so much with entrepreneurship is also projected into social media, and that is, that is, um, it's, it's hard to own a business where you have an online presence and not be a part of Instagram or Facebook or TikTok or whatever, right. Um, so I think a challenge for me has been really getting clear on my authenticity, my feelings of who I am now and how I wanna share that.

And I think it's an interesting dynamic on social media because there are people that are like, well, if it's your face, if it's your Instagram page or whatever, then you should be able to say whatever the fuck you want. And, you know, screw everyone else that doesn't, they're not in alignment with you. And I, I don't love that, to be honest, because. I would never speak to people with my middle fingers up and just be like, well, if you don't agree with this, then fuck you.

Yeah. In, in a, in my day-to-day human, mundane life, like, I don't speak to people like that. Granted, I have Venus and Libra, so I'm, yeah. Somewhat accommodating. But I, I do feel like, um, that is something that has challenged me is how can I be authentic with still being compassionate and kind to people and sharing my frustrations and my opinions and my perceptions about things, or my guidance in a way that others are still gonna be receptive to.

And I recognize I'm not gonna be for everyone. There's a myriad of really talented astrologers out there. And, you know, I don't feel like I need to be overly competitive either about proving my value. Um, Even with my makeup business, I've never worked super hard at advertising, um, or, you know, spending a ton of money on advertising because referral has been honestly my biggest generator for income, um, for the most part.

And so I really focus on what kind of impact I'm making and making impact through my authenticity, through my passion, through my desire to help people and to be a clear sounding board for them, and a conduit for spirit. And, um, it's served me well and I recognize like other people are gonna have different approaches and that's fine too.

But I think trying to figure out the balance between sharing your authenticity and yourself while also being a decent human being online can be really challenging. But, um, that's something that I'm definitely put off on by other people who just think that because it's their little corner of the universe that they can just, I don't know. Be assholes. I'm, I'm just not into that. Mm-hmm. Or, you

But even prior to that, you know, I, it was all my own money. Mm-hmm. And I, everything I've done is, for me, I have five dogs. I need a comfortable life. I need a house. I need to pay my mortgage. I need to do these things. So this is my livelihood. So there's a little bit more weight on it for me than maybe somebody that doesn't have that, that pressure, right? Mm-hmm. Maybe their significant other makes really great money and they're not having to be weighed into that so much.

And I think that can give a little bit more freedom for somebody in that, in that, You know, experience, but regardless, we still have to sell and show up. Yeah. And week. And I love how you mention focusing more on the impact and sort of the transformation and what you are here to really help people through what you feel passionate about helping and guide people through. And I feel like that's a really great way to reflect and look at that.

And it, and it's like logically I knew, you know, rationally I knew, okay, this is a period where. Yeah, income.

My second house is gonna be slow, but it's really hard when you're an entrepreneur and you are very attached and invested in your work, and you think of it as an extension of your heart, your passion yourself, that when you're not receiving, whether it's personal validation or recognition or income, that, um, you feel like best reflects the work and the heart that you're putting into, it's really easy to go to that place. And, and, and second guess self-doubt yourself.

However, I also don't think that doubting yourself at times isn't a bad thing, and this is something that most of the coaching community will not tell you.

Does it make sense for me to continue to spend money on X, Y, and y and z or, you know, just to go through and ask yourself, okay, why am I self-doubting myself? Do I feel unequipped with my knowledge? Is this a time where I need to be taking a class, reading a book, practicing, um, doing more writing? You know, is this actually a time where I need to be devoting myself to nourishing my relationships in my family?

Yeah. Um, in my, in my personal life, you know, is this a time where I'm feeling doubtful of myself because I'm also spending way too much time on social media and glamorizing other realities that actually don't exist. So looking at doubt is actually, um, looking at doubt as like a portal to actually. More, more conscious and honest.

Self-reflection and understanding to me has been such a profound, um, shift in my business because when I've gone through times of hardship, like I said that, you know, over say Mars retrograde for instance, when I was really not working a lot, it was really easy for me to feel like, well, maybe I should just stop working. Maybe I should just close up Shop

And so, Just kind of reorienting my energy in my life, helped me to recognize I'm a great mom, I'm a good partner, I'm a good friend. People still come to me wanting advice and wanting to speak to me about things in their life, and I don't have to be paid to do that and still feel fulfilled. And when I recognize that, that those things were happening in all kind of facets of my life, regardless of whether I was logging on as divine sky, mystic reminded me that that's just a part of who I am.

And so being able to be paid for that on top of it is just the icing of the cake. And that took some pressure off of me to recognize that actually this was a really good time for me to focus on my, my health and my relationships and my family. And so, yeah, you know, for entrepreneurs, I recognize that there are some industries where you may not have the spaciousness to be able to take four or five months off and not do very much.

But, um, I think self-doubt can be a great, like I said, a great portal to do deeper reflection around what we're feeling insecure about and actually what's really asking to be tended to or, or nourished that may have been overlooked or kind of repressed for a while

Like, you'll still live and breathe without this. Like, you'll still have a life without this. And there is support outside of your bi, you know, outside of your business. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I feel that that's all helped me leverage those moments when I felt, oh, it's slow or it's not working. Or when, you know, I'm creating new offers. I'm a person that I do like a lot of creativity, so creating new offerings. Mm-hmm.

For me, something that works for me, you know, I, I do get, you know, kind of bored and, and ruts easier. And so it's just that awareness of that does work for me. And going against the grain a little bit with what anybody says. You just, you don't have to do everything exactly this way. And I feel like in this, especially the entrepreneur world, it's like, you gotta launch this way, you gotta do this, you gotta do that.

Well, like, I don't, I mean, I personally, I can't handle, I don't even like the word launch. You know, I just don't even like it. I'm excited to put something out to the world. I'm gonna put it out there. I was just, that always threw me through a loop. Why are people putting so much pressure to freaking launch? Like, it's like, why don't they just get excited about what they have and just share it? You know? It's like this never, that never made sense.

And the one time I tried to do it, I pretty much just like burnt it to the ground and was like, yeah, fuck this. I'm just gonna talk about what I want. And actually, that lunch was like a week long and it was like the best selling thing that I ever did. So, yeah. You know, you gotta know what works for you and be willing Yeah. To step away from the grain. And I, I, you hit on something that is really common is glamorizing, you know, what's not really real. Mm-hmm.

We gotta use a lot of discernment because there is a. In this industry, there's a lot of fakeness. Mm-hmm. There's, mm-hmm. You cannot know that just because somebody's saying, oh, this is what I'm doing. I mean, I would love to think that everybody in this world is telling all honest truths and, and whatever, but the reality is, is like there are people in this specifically for the money. Oh yeah.

They can fake and lie their way through that and brainwash and, and, and say things that, and I've even come up subjective to it, and then it's like dropping bat, whoa, where's your discernment here, Ray? Yeah. You know? Does this really make sense? Is this really happening? That somebody's going in a month making multiple six figures or what? I say like, you know, and I, I look all more power to people when that happens. But you and I have been doing this a long, long enough time.

We know the work that goes into it. I know what I did. Now granted it is a very different time when I got started. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so the social media wasn't so much of the storefront, so much of your brand, you know, that it's become on, like you said, imperative that you're there that is like, yeah. Your brand. So you can't avoid it. Um, but you know, for me, I always look at it as in a way I would be on there sharing what I have to say regardless of whether I had radiant thought.

Mm-hmm. Because I just love to share, like, I love sharing things that thought provoke and, and debunking. Shit that just isn't real, you know? And like, yeah, people are thriving on and kind of like bringing, like, here's the, here's, here's the reality of this. Right? And I love to share things that stop over complicating, you know, where we can bring simplicity back into the world, you know, into our healing, into our journeys, into our spirituality, into our businesses, you know?

So I would do that regardless, and that's what's helped me, you know, kind of move through that energy of not really worrying what anybody else is doing and just kind of like staying in my own lane and looking at like, yeah, reconnecting with my body on a daily basis. And for me, I probably won't be the person that's out there, you know, making seven figures. And I'm okay with that because my life, my mornings, I love hours in my morning.

You know, I don't like to start my sessions till a certain time and I. Only do sessions three days a week because I wanna put energy into things like this that are, are collaborative and, and really helping shift in different ways and my dogs and my body, and my workouts and my biking and nature. You know what I mean? There's just so much more in life for me than putting everything into business, you know? Yeah. I

Maybe there's like some room for improvement. I'm, I'm not dismissing that as a real, is a real thing, but, I think just this, this idea that like we're never satiated is a problem. And just like we talked about Jupiter being too much of a good thing at times. If we can't, if we can't tangibly articulate what is enough for us, us, and our life, how are we able to set goals that we can actually achieve? Mm-hmm. You know, to just live in a pipe dream.

And this is coming from a Pisces moon, trust me, I can live with Rosie colored glasses on no problem. Fantasy world. But if we can't articulate what is enough for me in my marriage, what is enough for me in my, for my bank account, like where, what is comfortable for me? At what point is my, am I gonna feel like my cup is filled like I'm quenched? That is, Of course an answer that's gonna differ for every single person. But as a business owner, that's something you should be asking yourself.

Otherwise, you're constantly gonna be spending money, you're gonna be outsourcing your power, your genius. You're gonna be constantly chasing trends, thinking that's gonna be the next thing that's gonna inflate things for you. It's never about, um, feeling full. Mm-hmm. Feeling like you've, you've, you've made it.

And I don't, you know, of course it's important to just, um, you know, to reorient ourselves at times when we do need to be changing or, you know, what's changed for us in terms of enoughness. Yeah. That's of course what I want now versus 10 years ago in my life is different. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, the glamorization of like. Everyone deserves to be a millionaire. I'm not. I, I don't think the word deserving should even be part of this. We all deserve to have a good life.

Yeah. We all should deserve, honestly, to just feel valued for the uniqueness that we bring to the table for our gifts and talents that we share. And I don't feel like everything always has to be monetized. So, um, that's one that I really, really struggle with because I do think that there is at times a over fixation on money being a rep, replication of our value and our worthiness, and even how hard we work and all of that.

And, um, it can be really derailing, I think, sometimes to our creativity and our passion when we're only focused on like, what's gonna put dollars in the bank versus what do I feel really proud of? Right. What do I feel really excited about sharing? Like you were saying, you know, what is, what do I feel like. Is enough for me in my little corner of the world

And where are my thoughts at that are driving forces for what, what I'm trying to create, what I want to, and how am I being intentional about that and nourishing that? And I feel that you sharing that, like what is enough, it's almost like it simplifies that a little bit for me and I can, as you were, as you were talking, it really, um, was bringing some enlightenment to that of Yeah, what is enough? Right? Mm-hmm. And can this be enough? And mm-hmm.

Like, I definitely can get into urgency, you know? Yeah. That is something I, I don't know, it could be Capricorn moon, it could be that I have Saturn and Leo, you know, it kind of gets like, restricts some of that. And who knows? Um, it could be a lot of things. It could be just trauma in my life. Like, I always feel like there's not enough time, you know, I'm really trying to work with that energy of yes, there is enough time, you're not behind, there's no urgency.

And that for me comes, I feel more from a trauma responsive life, you know, and bringing that into my business. And, and the way that I've showed up is like, oh, I gotta get it done, you know, but it's not healthy and it's not nourishing. And in fact it slows everything down so much. And so, I feel like that's gonna, I'm, I'm actually when we're gonna get done, I'm, I'm already gonna journal on this, like what is enough?

I feel like everybody after this go get your journals and like, what is enough? So I just, this has been so amazing and I would love for you to share a little bit about what's going in on in your world and how can people find you, how can people connect with you? You're so brilliant, obviously, I just, Aw, thanks. Everyone's gonna love this. All of this so much. So, um, yeah.

Um, you can also find a full list of my services and offerings on my website, which is divine sky mystic.com. I offer a variety of astrology readings, including a natal chart reading. Um, there's one if you wanna look at your current transits and progressions to kind of see what is the flavor of what's coming for you right now. Um, a look into the next six months as well of kind of getting a feel for what could be coming your way. What cycles are you currently, you know, enmeshed in.

What's ending, what's beginning for you. Um, and then I also love to work with couples and families. This is something that has become a real passion of mine. So I offer Cy readings for couples. If you wanna learn more about yourself, um, in relation to your husband, your wife, your partner, your sister, your best friend. It's always really fun to be able to see how people come together and connect.

And also, you know, if there's challenges, there's ways that we can identify and work through that too. Looking at your charts. And I also do family readings, so, um, if you have children, um, I love looking at, you know, mom, dad or the parents and the kids to see, you know, what is being inherited, what is being passed down through generations. How do certain, uh, parental, um, relationships in particular with like one particular child versus the other, how does that come into play?

Um, even getting a sense of like, how as a parent can I best support my s child or my Scorpio kid, or my lubricant or whatever. And, um, those ministry readings could also be generational. So if you wanna bring, if you wanna do like your mom's chart and your chart and, um, your grandma's chart, you know, take a look. It's, um, it's really healing too, to also recognize the patterns and the challenges and, um, even like the inherited drama and the inherited gifts that we receive.

It's all there in the natal chart, which is really, really fascinating. I know for myself, it's brought a lot of compassion to my parents and their experiences, um, and helping to understand them a little bit more. So all of that is on my website. And then I also offer intuitive readings, which I call sacred guidance, which are remote readings. So they're not done live. Um, you just input your questions or your general life area that you want some insight into.

And then, um, I connect with your guides, your angels, your spirit team. And I just hit record and everything that comes through, I, um, Yeah, I record and send and then you'll get the recording. So that's what I've got going on currently.

Similar placements or, or like, oh, okay. My mom was a Libra Moon Taurus or Libras son, Taurus Moon. Then here I'm a Capricorn moon and nobody else in my family's earth, they're all fired. Mm-hmm. But then I have Saturn and Libra, and I'm Leon, all this Aquarius. So it's just really interesting and like I stand out like a sore thumb in my family. Yeah.

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