Why I Quit LinkedIn Today

Has it been too long since I used the intro theme song? I think so. Come on. Come on, let's go. Come on. Let's go. Everybody. And welcome to the unscheduled CEO. Oh! What? What's up everyone? Welcome to the Unscheduled CEO, a podcast. A podcast. About... Fucking nothing. Ah, we cut that off abruptly. Anyway, so hey everybody, welcome back to the Unscheduled CEO, a podcast that happens sometimes and also doesn't happen other times. I'm your host, Jonathan Courtney, and I am...

Truly an unscheduled CEO. If this is your first time listening to this podcast, well, what can I tell you about it? I run three companies. One is called facilitator.com. One is called AJ and smart studio. And one is called partners. They do very different things, but all of them are businesses with people in them and stuff we sell. I don't know. We're a small business. We do things pretty differently, I would say, to most businesses. We're completely bootstrapped.

Yeah. So we don't have any investors. We don't have to do anything anyone's saying, but we've been around for 14 years and we also make millions of euro, which is I think a lot of the times if you're saying I do whatever I want, it also means.

that it doesn't make money. But this business, I think maybe from year four, we passed the seven figure mark. We peaked about three years ago. I think we got to like 6.5. five or something gross revenue or maybe it was no that was net and uh yeah now we're like i don't know i don't know we're gonna end this year on i i think we can do five i think we can do five um

If you've been listening to this podcast for a while, you'll also know why, you know, we made lots of money and then we made less money and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, hey.

This episode might be titled that I quit LinkedIn. And that for some people might be like, oh my God, how are you going to stay connected to people? How are you going to build your personal brand? Well, guys, many of you. or maybe forgetting or didn't don't know that I also quit Instagram. I quit Instagram in 2020. My account is still there. Maybe I've posted once or twice since 2020 in the last 10 years, five years, Jesus, 10 years, five years.

um but not much uh usually it's like if we're like ah fuck we should just post because um there's something we want to spread around like some new thing like our book or whatever but generally um I haven't been on Instagram. I'm not on TikTok. The only places where I've been kind of kind of posting occasionally have been LinkedIn and X. And as of today.

It is the 11th of August. I'm just going to put this podcast straight out as soon as I finish recording it. 11th of August. I'm not on LinkedIn anymore. What I posted is that I'm taking a one-year break. I really hope this is not, well, every episode is chaotic. So anyway, I was going to say, I really hope this is not your first episode, but there would be no other episode to listen to that would make things better.

I also have like a kind of music setup here where I've got my synthesizers connected to this. uh thing so sometimes I'm just kind of playing music in the background as well oh um oh no how do I stop those drums and I'm obviously I don't know how to use this stuff okay so yeah I quit LinkedIn I said that I'm quitting it for a year, but my ideal situation is forever. Why? Why would I do that? LinkedIn seems to work for me and seems to work for people.

Well, there's a lot to talk about here. And I think, I hope, if you're listening to this and you just don't like creating social media content and you don't like that whole thing and it feels like a chore, well, maybe this episode is actually going to be good for you because... There are ways to build your business and not have any social media content because most of what we do has nothing to do with social media. And I'll tell you why.

So we were doing a lot of social media stuff years ago, like pre-2020. And really a lot. You know, I was on Instagram every day. I was even doing Snapchat. We're doing so much stuff. And then what happened is in 2019, I believe it was, or maybe it was 2020. I can't remember. I think it was 2020, August 2020.

I joined a mastermind. Actually, it was a friend of mine, Ransegal. Ransegal. He was in a mastermind of someone I knew, a guy called Sam Ovens. I talk about him a lot on this podcast. You probably think I love him. I love him.

I do love him. Sam, I love you. He does not listen to this podcast. Anyway, so I joined this mastermind of a guy called Sam Ovens. It was 36,000 euro, so it was a fucking big, scary... investment for those days these days the what we're paying for masterminds and mentors is a lot much more ridiculous but anyway this is my first really expensive one 36k and I think one of the first

things i noticed was okay i'm joining this mastermind that costs 36 000 dollar euro and this fucking guy who i'm joining the mastermind of has no social media accounts none he had deleted all of them and and he properly deleted them as in they don't exist all he had was a youtube channel which he

very sporadically posted to. And so I was very curious about that. And of course I asked him, of course, this was a big topic of his mastermind because everyone thought you have to be an influencer to make money. And he was just like, now you don't have to. He's from New Zealand and I can't do his accent. And sorry for the New Zealand people listening to this, but I actually think it's a very good accent. Let me try it again.

Hey, my, my, no, I don't want to be on social media. You can tell me how I did. I think I did very well. So, um, Sam, Sam ovens again, you know, this very successful guy. I had just paid him 36K. There was 90 something other people in this mastermind who'd also spent that much money to work with him. And I'm like, well, how the fuck does this work? And long story short.

If you actually know how to do Facebook ads, and if you have one other pillar, a pillar that you enjoy creating content for, and I like to call, I don't know if there's a name for it, there probably is. But it's a pillar of content where you don't have to interact with the audience. So for example, I think YouTube. YouTube or podcasts is like a great medium because you're not really creating viral content.

You're creating quite deep dive niche stuff that people put a lot of their time and attention into. unless you're trying to be Mr. Beast or something, you don't have to create like hype-y content. This podcast is a perfect example of the unscheduled CEO. This is not hype-y content.

um i mean i do try to make the titles like ridiculously enticing hopefully you read this title and you're like oh fuck i have to click it um but most of the time the the the what's in here is not hypey at all like i don't don't even expect people to get very far listening to it um but yeah those of you who do you're it's because you're geniuses um so samovins okay

Sam Ovens. Sam, I'm sorry, dude. I love you. You're the best. Sam Ovens. He wasn't on any social media platforms and he just didn't want to be. And I was like, yeah, but you know, how do you build your organic? And he was just like, I don't. I use ads. And so we were like, you can't surely just can't use ads to just do everything.

Because you have to have a brand. And at that time, like I said, we were doing so much social media. And anyway, we started like putting more energy into our ads. And actually, to be honest, like, yeah, we just... We just kind of said, all right, I was getting really sick of social media. I was really like burnt out from all the fucking bullshit of social media. Remember, this is 2020 and people were fucking going crazy on the Internet.

Just like, I don't know, I don't actually think social media is healthy for anybody. And so, especially not for me, it was bad for my mental health. I like was making my fucking brain. bad uh and like instagram especially like instagram is so addictive and it's basically it's basically porn like if you're a guy and you're using instagram and i know

I know exactly what you'll say because people say this to me. It's like, yeah, not my Instagram. I don't know what your Instagram is like. Nah, Instagram is basically porn. And I don't want to be, no, I'm not saying, hey guys, everyone relax. I'm not telling everybody you have, you don't watch, you don't have to watch porn. Like no one's saying that now. What I'm saying is I don't want to be accidentally watching fucking something, the equivalent of porn all day.

just like sitting there on my phone, flicking through. And when I say porn, I mean like, okay, yes, there's also like lots of essentially what looks like soft core porn on there because it's just showing like beautiful people. working out all that stuff but also it's it's like also productivity porn it's like everything's aesthetic like all these aesthetic things that look beautiful and you can't like the reels i think reels is reels instagram or youtube youtube is short and

It reels, they're so addictive and you just sit there and you just kind of, your mind just melts and you watch like, I was saying this to Laura, like you're sitting there, right? How I feel after an Instagram session. It's like you're sitting there and you're looking at... like a like a someone doing you know you're looking at the reels and it's like a really uh like a really inspiring talk from someone for you know like a clip

uh and then and then the next thing is like a car accident and you're like oh fuck and then you you skip to the next thing it's like a street fight and you're like oh jesus then the next thing is like some beautiful beach in Bali and some hot looking sexy people on the beach and you're like, hello. The next thing is like, you know, and you're...

You're just getting hijacked and your fucking emotions are all over the place. And I just don't think it's good. I just do not see that as in any way a positive thing for anybody. And I think if you think about it as like... If you think about social media as like a toxic thing that you're putting into your body, I think that's okay. Like as long as you're like, you know what, I'm going to, and I think Jason Fried said this, like he uses social media as an alternative to like.

you know, going out for a smoke. And I think if you think about it like that, I think it's actually okay. If you realize I'm basically putting fucking shit into my brain that's going to hijack my... like dopamine and and probably make me fucking anxious and depressed but it also gives me it does give you of course it does give you something it gives you a dopamine boost so

Social media. I just do not think it's good for anybody. I don't think it's good for anybody. I don't think it is a net positive. I think it's a net negative. And now Jonathan.

You're running ads on social media. Isn't that hypocritical? Yes. Life is nuanced, my friends. Not everything is fucking black and white. I am running ads on social media. You probably know me because of social media ads. And yet I do not use it. I don't think it's good to use. And honestly, to be fair, once people come into my world, I also kind of try to increase awareness of...

you know, using these products. And I do think it's one of those things, like some people are going to be able to, and it's also insidious with these products. You're like, You feel like you have to use them. You feel like if you're not on Instagram, then you won't know what's happening in the world and with your friends and you'll be like, it's like a whole separate like.

parallel life you think that that's what's going to happen when you stop using it but guess what you stop using it that it doesn't fucking happen at all you just don't i just don't care like i still stay in touch with the people i want to stay in touch with But guess what? I don't know if they had their fifth baby now and I don't give a shit. All right. I don't care. I don't care about your fourth dog. You'll tell me if it's important when we meet next time.

And I certainly do not care about your vacation. So I think that's like Instagram, I think is an easier one, right? For me, I just don't. And, you know, I was, I was building my way to being an influencer. I don't know. I think I had like 10, maybe I have 10,000.

followers and and i think we had over a hundred thousand um on the aj and smart account but i just didn't like it i just don't like that kind of it i don't i'm happy that this podcast is audio only for the most part i don't want to be fucking I don't want you to look at me. And then again, yeah, I'm in all the ads, but the ads are so disconnected. It's such a one way street. I don't read any of the comments on the ads. I don't even want to because probably most of them are insults.

But the same thing with the podcast, even though I love when you comment on the episodes, for those of you who know how to, you just go to unscheduleceo.com, go to the current episode, then you can comment underneath it. I love that, but I'm not looking for a dialogue.

I'm basically, what I am looking for is like, I just want to see if anything struck you while listening to it. I just want to know if anything came up for you, but I'm not asking for it. I'm not like, what do you think of this episode?

so yeah i'm not i'm not like asking for that um and and i think i'm not i just don't like a dialogue it makes me feel uncomfortable because i also don't want to build even though it just happens it just kind of happens when you create content i i don't think anyone

I don't think anyone really benefits from creating, from sharing too much, especially on these visual platforms, sharing too much about your personal lives. I don't know. And then you listen to this audio podcast and I tell you all of my problems. So yeah, it's all nuanced and all hypocritical, but whatever, just this is the podcast. It's not about, I'm not trying to give you actual real advice here. So listen, Instagram was easy.

or it wasn't easy. It was why it was hard for me to quit was because I was like, I won't be able to catch up with my, keep up with my friends, especially because a lot of them live in the U S. Um, how do I change this?

So yeah, a lot of them live in the US. So I just simply don't know what's happening in any of my friends' lives. And I still like my friends. It's possible. Can you believe that? That it's possible for me to... be someone who doesn't keep up with any of my friends and uh on instagram or social media and i don't know what's happening with them i know this is a generation thing Like probably some of you are listening to this and like, yeah, it's easy to not use social media.

But many of you will know what I'm talking about. You're like, I need to stay in touch. I need to stay in touch. If I don't, if I leave social, if I leave Instagram, I'm basically ousting myself from the community. And especially if you're running a business, you're like, I need to post about what's happening in my business. Yeah. And guess what? It works. But is it worth it?

Is it worth it is the question. And then look, let's talk about LinkedIn. Why did I do that post today? Well, I did the post today because I just, I kind of follow my gut. I trust my gut. And something was telling me. Just don't fucking like, I'm always like, I need to, I need to look at this platform less. I never feel good after looking at LinkedIn.

The fucking bullshit posts that are up there. And I'm not, you guys who are listening to this podcast, you go, you do all the good posts, but you, you know, these posts about. I don't know, like something happens in the news and then someone gets on there and post their sob story to get fucking engagement. And just LinkedIn is so cringe.

LinkedIn is, it makes me sick and I'll scroll through it and I just like, I don't feel good after looking at it. Of course, I feel good if I do a post and it bangs and it gets loads of likes and comments. I love that. Everyone loves that. It feels fucking good. But is it the question I ask myself is, is it worth it? Is it worth it?

to poison my fucking... Every time I open LinkedIn, is it worth it to poison my brain by having to look at, you know, nine out of ten things on there are just negative fucking engagement farming. bullshit. Well, then you might say, well, can't you get one of those plugins that removes the newsfeed? I have that. I use that. I have a plugin called Newsfeed Eradicator.

And I still, I don't know, it's still just, I still open up LinkedIn. I open it up, I scroll through. I'm just looking, any excuse for me to just like not do stuff that actually would be, make me feel good. um and and linkedin is just one of those things linkedin and instagram i all like i never feel better after using that and and that for me is already and

Even if it's an advantage for me to use it, I just don't feel better. It's not good. It's not good for me. Now, I'm not telling you you have to quit LinkedIn. Instagram, I think you should fucking get off. But I'm not telling you you have to quit LinkedIn. It is actually useful. And there are ways to do, you know, there are very good ways to use it for marketing, I think. And it is a luxury for me.

I get that. It was the same thing I said to Sam Ovens. I was like, yeah, dude, but for you, it's kind of easy because you're already a millionaire. I get this element that I already have a successful company and now, of course, I can do it. It is also possible to, to, I think the thing to understand is that very few people besides LinkedIn influencers, these LinkedIn influencers, very few people.

Very few people, besides the people who are selling LinkedIn influencer courses, I think actually make a lot of their business through LinkedIn. Not very few people I know anyway. I think a lot of the, yeah, honestly, I just think, and this is my bias, I just think ads are a better way to spend time. to uh spend money i mean you're still the time you're spending crafting posts on linkedin is still taking time um away from maybe what you want to be doing and

Ads are like a hack to just kind of go past it. And yeah, ads also have problems. You have to maintain it, all that kind of stuff. You have to learn how to use the different ad platforms. You have to figure out the funnel that the ads go to. They can be simple. There's lots of examples out there. And as Mark Manson says, you choose your own shit sandwich like you decide what.

shitty thing you're going to eat or you're going to have to deal with and um yeah like i get it like for many for many people using linkedin linkedin or building you know a uh personal brand is part of the thing and i just don't like it i've never i have never enjoyed the personal brand thing i don't like that i actually don't weirdly enough don't really like that kind of attention

I don't like when people turn off to the office unannounced. Please stop doing that. I don't like that kind of stuff. I am not into that. And I think it depends. what type of person you are. There are some people who are just wired to and just not very anxious and not very paranoid or whatever who can build big public profiles and don't really care about that. I don't know. I like just work. I like just kind of doing stuff. And hopefully the stuff is interesting enough that it attracts people.

And of course, then pushing, like creating, paying, I'm basically paying for the attention with money versus my time. And I think that's like the sort of thing.

that's the sort of thing that just suits me better. Anyway, this is, I have even forgotten to say, like the big reason I quit LinkedIn today is because I've, and I'm just back from California. I forget to say all the interesting things that are actually happening. I'm just back from California. I'm just back from running Fullstack Facilitator, which is our biggest, most expensive thing that we sell at facilitator.com. Tickets are $14,300 or $14,500.

And this was a really amazing event. I really enjoyed it. And if any of you who are there, who are listening right now, thank you so much for being part of it. You're fucking awesome. It was also the final event in that series. So it's unlikely that there will be another in-person full-stack facilitator. Why? Well, these events are not about making money.

You might be like, yeah, but the tickets are, I keep using your voice, right? I keep trying to predict what you're going to say, listener, but you might be thinking the tickets are 14,500 and there was 35 people there. That's a lot of money. Let's do the math here. How much this event made? It made 507,000 dollars. And let me tell you guys how much it costs to run this event. Approximately $500,000. So yeah, these are not money making events. They don't add anything.

anything at all to the profit margin of AJ and smart, what they do add, what they are for. And I've mentioned this before. It's like a band going on tour testing material to see what material gets recorded. um or like a comedian going on on tour and then the last leg of the tour is like the netflix recording and so this is the first one we recorded because this was the sort of the final edition of this like

everything came together. So Full Stack Facilitator is now finished, as in that is a series that we're now closed. And I really, really, really loved it. The whole crew who was at Palo Alto with us the last... week you're all fucking amazing thank you so much um you guys are just just made that such a an amazing final event um so yeah

And yeah, California, it's always super fun to be there. It's always super fun to just hang out in Silicon Valley. We also went to, right after myself and Laura went to San Francisco and ran a growth jam. And Growth Jam is a new type of workshop that we run as part of the AJ and Smart Partners business. This was an amazing day. It actually started at 10 a.m. and went until midnight. So it was just so cool. It was so amazing.

running this growth jam with a doctor. And she honestly, I think she might have solved some of my chronic stomach health issues, which I'm now... I currently have a large trampoline in my... living room, and I am currently experimenting with a six-week gluten-free diet. I was always kind of one of those people who was mocking everyone who was going gluten-free because I was like, oh, this fucking trend. And here I am, boys. Honestly.

I have bad news for you all. Like six days not having gluten has been fucking amazing. I'm finally putting on weight. I haven't been able to put on weight in literally ever. Um, because, because I eat like, I, I usually have gluten with every meal and I eat a little bit and then I'm just so full immediately. Um, and now I'm able to eat. massive amount. I feel like I've been fasting for the last 37 years.

So yeah, anyway, trying gluten-free for the next six weeks. Oh, I stopped taking my ADHD medication two weeks ago. For any of you guys who are listening to my ADHD journey, who, you know. One of the many, many, many, many, many, many entrepreneurs who has that diagnosis. And yeah, I tried the medication for... I tried the medication for a couple of weeks, a couple of months, and it was amazing. It is amazing. The issue I'm having is that my heart rate without the medication is always very high.

It's like 80, 86 when I'm doing nothing. What is it right now? I don't have my phone. It's 86 when I'm doing fucking nothing. And so when I'm taking the ADHD medication, it's like pushing it. you know, between 90 and 100, but all day, it doesn't go down. It doesn't like, it doesn't move into a relaxed state. And so my team of health specialists. have recommended for me to do a couple of things to bring my heart rate down. To be honest, cardio fitness is just a big part of it.

I did some running yesterday, doing a bit more climbing. I have a fucking trampoline. Guys, I have a trampoline. You want to know why I have a trampoline? Okay. I don't know how many of you have listened this far. This is actually kind of an interesting one.

Um, so I have a trampoline because, so the doctor, what this doctor, this is a real doctor, by the way, this is not some woo woo doctor, although I love woo woo stuff anyway. So. I was telling her that I'm close to the point of needing surgery for this heartburn problem I have where they like tighten up the sphincter at the lower part of the esophagus so that...

Food doesn't, an acid doesn't escape back up into the esophagus when I'm laying down. And she said, this muscle, this is a muscle. This sphincter muscle is a muscle and muscles. Can be trained. And I was like. Well how the fuck do you train. How do you fucking train me sphincter. That's how I said it. How do you train me sphincter.

i'm irish i'm allowed to do that accent um and she said well there's many ways to do it but but a mix of all the different things i was telling her i was like yeah my heart rate is really high um i've been i have been uh going to therapy for anxiety stuff i've had it since i was like eight years old um my stomach's always bloated and i've heartburn all the time i said that again already and other stuff anyway she was like

well first of all do you know if you have a wheat allergy and I was like I don't actually know like every time I go to the doctors they're just like take these pills and get this surgery and she was like all right you might potentially have a wheat intolerance. A lot of Irish people of people of Irish descent have that apparently. Second thing is for people who are a bit more wired and a bit more anxious.

She said like repetitive up and down movements are like a kind of physical activity that can calm the nervous system. So she said for me, for example, high intensity workout, high intensity training is probably not the vibe. What's the vibe for me is something more like a trampoline. And I was like, okay. I got a fucking trampoline. So I have a full on trampoline now in my apartment. Um, by the way, this is, this is something I hope some of you get to this point in the podcast. I.

do if someone's if someone who knows more about me about something tells me to do something i do it immediately i don't question it i just do it um and i think honestly laura and i have been talking about this I honestly think it's part of the secret of my success is I am not someone, most people I know are hyper skeptical. You know, I don't know.

you know, chat GPT five comes out and I meet a friend and they're like, Oh, did you hear how shit it is? I'm like, I've been using it all weekend and it's been amazing. Oh, sorry. I didn't read the news about it being shit yet. Okay. I get it. Or like, you know, I'll recommend a mentor to someone that I've used and they're like, ah, I don't know, like I could learn this on YouTube. I'm like, yeah, you can do whatever you want. I don't care.

I think a lot of people, they overthink and question advice, unless it's extremely dangerous advice. You might as well just fucking try it and see what happens. But it's a, it's a mindset thing and I'm not going to change it in you. I think like. A lot of people are looking for any excuse to not take action. Like, I don't know, I'll recommend a book. I'll recommend a book to someone. Or like someone will say to me, I really need to learn funnels.

I'll say, cool. Read Expert Secrets by Russell Brunson. They're like, okay, next time I meet them, I really need to funnel. I'm like, did you read Expert Secrets? They're like, I watched Russell Brunson YouTube video. I don't like that guy. that's what I think about that that's what I think about that you're fucking stupid No, seriously, I genuinely think if you're someone who is constantly skeptical and worried about taking advice from other people, then you will just make your life.

very unnecessarily hard. Like, it's so unnecessarily hard. I'm just very open. To learning new things. For example, you guys probably saw that two weeks ago or three weeks ago. I did this out of nowhere event with Chad Littlefield. He's a... A facilitator, actually technically a competitor to me. We were hanging out in Berlin. We were talking and I was like, shit, man. There's things you're telling me right now that I didn't know about that I want to immediately use in my training.

And I think most people's egos are too big to actually say things like that. But for me, I'm just like, I didn't know that. This person who's technically my competitor. He's telling me stuff I didn't know about. So why the fuck do I need to pretend I knew about it or why wouldn't I try it? And so I tried all that stuff immediately at my next training. And not only that.

I introduced him to my entire audience two weeks ago and we sold a training together because I was like, this is cool. I'm going to introduce this to my entire audience and I'm going to. say in the post that I didn't know this before and I think that allowing yourself to just be like oh this person

I don't know this person, like when I joined Sam ovens mastermind, the amount of people who are just like, Oh, he just, he just this, he just that blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, well, I don't know. I don't know more about this stuff than he does. So I'm going to join it. Do you guys get what I'm talking about? This kind of optimist, like the people I know who are successful and it's this sort of chicken and egg thing or it's a self, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

They're all very optimistic and they're just excited and they just try stuff. When the people I know who are successful or, or going to be successful when I tell them like, okay, you know, Chad. Okay. Again, like I was like, dude. have you heard of this eight sleep mattress? Even though the customer service sucks. Eight sleep mattress, like he was saying that he gets hot at night and wakes up and I was like, you need to get this eight sleep. It keeps the bed cold all night.

One week later, I get a photo and he has the eight sleep. OK, less expensive example. There are many. If you're one of the people listening to this and you're like, oh, yeah, well, we're not all rich. Well, then fuck you. You just don't understand the point of this and what I'm trying to explain here.

Equally, you could say, equally, it could be like, hey, like telling a friend, oh my God, you need to try this new fucking thing that puts bubbles in water. There's going to be the person who's like, yeah, but like... And then there's the person who's like, oh, cool. I'm going to try that. I'm excited. Those people are just more successful. People who just try stuff and who are just excited about stuff are just more successful.

I should stop doing the caveats where I'm like, oh, but I know it's an expensive thing. The people listening this far in the podcast or not, they know me. Chad's audience actually. Chad, I don't know if you're listening to this episode, but apparently Chad's audience really didn't like my attitude and swearing in the event. Well, what can you do? Still working on this one.

The thing I was trying to talk about earlier, the reason I quit LinkedIn, I keep forgetting, is because I'm trying this thing called a practicality offset. This is so late in the episode. I'm going to have to do a different episode on it because I want that to be upfront. Basically I'm trying to remove some practicality from my life. Guys, the less social media you use, the less news you read, the less just...

practical content you consume, the better your life is going to be. All right. Just giving you, just giving you that. It's just my opinion. All right. You don't have to quit these things. I'm just telling you. So that's it, everybody. Thank you for all the love, all the love and support. Or what? I don't know. Thank you for all the love and support. Thank you for listening this far.

let me get the echo thing set up on this so that my voice goes echoey at this point because all i can do right now is this megaphone thing i don't really want that Hello, my children. Yeah, that's not it. That's not the one I'm looking for at all. I should do an entire... Anyway. Thank you so much, everybody.

Who knows, maybe there'll be another episode this August. Maybe there won't be. Hey, if you are not listening to this, if you're not subscribed in your podcast app and you're listening to this in the Substack website, hey. Go and get a podcast app and subscribe to the unscheduled CEO. Then you'll get like a little notification whenever there's an episode. And also, if there's anything useful in this episode or if you just like the vibes, maybe share it with one other person.

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