¶ Achieving Ultimate Intimacy Through Communication
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How running or hiding from your marital issues only compounds them and makes things worse . Welcome to the Ultimate Intimacy Podcast with your hosts , nick and Amy . I think this is going to be a good subject . I'm totally guilty of this , so I guess today is going to be fun , airing some of my past flaws and dirty laundry , so to speak .
Amy is just over there smiling , but I think what we're talking about is a lot of times couples have things that they just really avoid talking about because they don't want to get into an argument , they don't want to cause conflict , they don't want to have it turn into something worse .
Or it could be because they don't want the other spouse necessarily to know what's going on . And if you think of a lot of the serious issues that couples potentially have whether it's infidelity or financial issues or debt or issues in the bedroom a lot of the times is because they just kind of run from the problem or hide from the problem .
They don't want to talk about it . But not talking about these things can make things even that much worse in the long run and end in disaster .
For sure . I think the longer you get married , the more you just kind of get worn out and tired dealing with certain things that are always a recurring issue . Right , yeah , for sure .
And , like I said , we dealt with this in our marriage , which we'll get into . I guess we could just dive in Number one , talking about financial issues , right ?
It came up with this podcast and he's in charge of this , so I am not throwing you under the bus in any way .
Yeah , no , I totally know I got to be vulnerable . But you know financial issues . I remember when , several years ago , when Amy and I were going through the financial things we were going through , I felt like , as a man , it was just my job to take care of things and solve the problem , so to speak .
And so anytime we talked about financial issues , I didn't want to talk about it because it just caused an argument , and so , for me , I was just like I don't want to talk about it . Right , I would shut down the conversation .
But in the meantime , I'm making financial decisions and putting us in debt and doing things that have a huge impact on our marriage , our future , different things like that .
But it was so again , it was one of those ways for me of just running and hiding from this issue and recognizing not at the time , understanding the implications we would have over time , recognizing that by doing that , things just got worse , worse and worse with everything . Wouldn't you agree ?
Oh , absolutely yeah .
It was awful . So I know today we're going to try to hit the top six things that we think the majority of couples probably have dealt with or are currently dealing with . That we think is applicable for so many marriages out there , and I think the financial issue financial things are such a big thing .
You could have a spouse that loves spending money and another spouse that is more of a saver . Obviously , the spouse that's spending money isn't going to want to deal with the issue or talk about it with the spouse who's a saver , because that could really cause a conflict or create a situation where maybe they couldn't go spend as much money .
So it would be really easy for a spouse in that situation to just go purchase stuff and just go do things and not say anything and obviously , if they're not having that communication in the relationship , that debt could continue to just get more and more and more and more until it obviously becomes a real big issue .
Which puts more stress on the marriage . Correct . Yeah , absolutely , if you're like us and anti-debt , and then one of you is into that and doesn't care . You're going to have some serious , serious disconnect from that .
So yeah , and I think that you're right , most couples , I bet there's a spender and a saver maybe not extreme , I'm sure there's extreme ones , but there's probably more . I mean , even if you're off just a little bit in this area , you're probably going to have some pretty big disagreements , right .
Yeah , and I would say there's probably a ton of couples that one of the spouses is just like I don't want to talk about this , it's uncomfortable to talk about , it causes an argument .
Therefore , we're just going to sweep it under the rug , so to speak , or run from the problem or just not talk about it , because in a way , in a lot of ways , it is so much easier just not to deal with it and not let it be a problem or become a problem with your thinking .
It's just so much easier to just ignore it , say I'll take care of it or we'll figure it out , or almost sometimes , even try to hide it from your spouse , I guess .
And if you wanna figure it out , then figure out and fix the problem , don't make it worse . Yeah , for sure .
So in this situation I mean talking about , like , if someone's a real big spender and the other spouse is a saver you really have to sit down as a couple and say , okay , what are we gonna do to find a good balance ? Right , I understand you like to spend on these things . I understand I like to save .
What if we come up with like a monthly allowance that we're going to spend this amount of money on this or what have ?
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And just really having that communication because it really is . It's not always just black and white like , oh , a spouse wants to do this and the other one wants to do this , like there really is .
That's what marriage is about is compromising and finding a good balance , because you are , in your marriage , gonna have so many things that you see differently on , and finances could be a big one .
I mean you could have a spouse that grew up just in a family that maybe didn't have a lot of money and they really saved , and then another spouse where they just were shopping 24 seven , and so you bring two people together and they grew up with those different experiences . You can see how it'd be hard to have those expectations and manage that .
And I also think that it's important , if one of them is a spender , to sit down and be like why is this important to you ? And really look at their side too , like what are the things that they're spending on and why ? Cause there's usually a deeper issue , especially if someone's addicted to shopping or spending they're covering up . It's like a band-aid right .
Absolutely .
Like shopping could be an addiction to something else . So , or if some of the things they're spending money on , like find out why are those things important to them . Like have compassion , like let's talk about why you need that , why you feel like you need this so much , and like be compassionate in that sense too . Like yes , we need to find a budget .
We need to find a good balance between the both of us . You can't just expect your spouse to never go anywhere or spend any money or do anything . Right , like there's gotta be that healthy , healthy balance to where you're able to live .
Also , and if you're on a really tight , tight , strict budget right now , maybe as a team , you figure out like we're gonna have to take a side job or I'm gonna have to do this on the side , or is this important ? Would you , in order for this lifestyle to be like this , do one of us need to get it a part time ?
Like whatever that looks like in your relationship , it needs to be talked about , right ?
Well , the reason why it's so important to talk about is , like we said , if it's just kinda swept under the rug or ignored , something can turn into something so much bigger that could be catastrophic for your marriage .
So , for example , let's just say you have a spouse that spend in a bunch of money and maybe she or he doesn't recognize that there's not that much money coming in and just putting it on the credit card and expecting that , oh , we'll get it paid off , and that just continues to accumulate to a point to where then it becomes insurmountable and it's not something
that can be taken care of . And we've actually had experiences with that with some people we know , which we'll share here in a little bit not to get off subject , but yeah , it can be detrimental . So it's so important to just sit down and , like Amy said , just say okay , how do we come to a compromise ?
What can we do to allow you to spend the money , or some of the money to get the things that you want ? But we also were able to put away some money for saving or things like that .
And I think a good tip for this one to be to end this kind of section , is to add finances to your weekly marriage meetings .
Exactly .
Because , with inflation and everything going on right now especially , I mean groceries have doubled , a lot of things have gone up so much . And to add to that , I think it's really important that couples do finances together , even if one person is more in charge of , like , paying the bills .
I think it's really important to sit down and be like this is what our bills and financial situation looks like , so that both people are aware 100% of what's going on , what's coming in , what's going out , what's being saved , what's being spent . So both people are very like .
Just a quick example like me , growing up , my dad had a business , worked another full-time job , paid all the bills , was an amazing provider , but my mom he took care of everything . So I don't think my mom bless her heart , she was an amazing mom .
I don't think she had anything to do with a lot of the financial situation , I think he just took care of her . And so it's important , I think , nowadays to really be on the same page together with what's going in , what's coming in and what's going out , because I think that could really help the whole situation .
Yeah , for sure , for sure . Number two on the list and I think this is huge is sexual issues . We say this often , but we can't even tell you how many messages we get from lower-desire spouses or , sorry , higher-desire spouses , excuse me that say you know , my I really , I really want to be intimate , and more often , but my spouse just doesn't want to be .
And the first question we ask is well , have you talked about it ? And the answer , 90% of the time or more , is well , no , it causes an argument . Every time we've tried to talk about it , it causes an argument . So I just stay away from it and accept that that's the way it's going to be . And these , these spouses are just dying .
I mean , they're they're it's really sad to hear . They're so scared to talk about it because it causes an argument or an issue , but yet they're suffering so much that that suffering is only going to last so long , to the point where you know something's going to happen , right , right , so you know .
¶ Navigating Intimacy and Communication in Marriage
I think it's so important um again to , in this situation , to just you have to sit down as a couple and really discuss these , what your expectations are when it comes to sexual intimacy and what you can do to have better sexual intimacy in your relationship .
And I think , I think for a lot of cases , the other spouse , the lower-desire spouse , may not know , uh , really , the impact or how bad things are for the higher-desire spouse , because the higher-desire spouse just is like I'm not going to talk about it anymore , I'm not going to bring it up .
It just causes uh too many , um too many issues and they're they're more afraid of getting rejected than they are of just not trying anymore . But again , going , going on over time , this is going to compound and eventually lead to potentially infidelity , or you know divorce , or you know something .
Absolutely . Our podcast we just did about talking to your spouse about sexual intimacy just really hits on that . It's just really important .
Yeah , and as we talk about like , just talking about , like , your love languages and the way you feel desired or don't feel desired , and just really having open and honest communications about this , rather than just sweeping the problem under the rug and hoping that you know somehow some way it changes in the future . It's just not the .
The problem's going to compound and get worse and worse and worse until , like I said , you end up , uh , in a marriage to where you're so disconnected that , um , you're in a roommate marriage , yeah .
In a roommate marriage it's also important to like remember that I don't understand how he feels and he doesn't understand how I feel because he's not in my body and I'm not in his body . And so this is where listening and like caring is so important , because he can tell me all day long well , I have a high drive .
I'm not going to understand that if I don't have that and I have low drive , he's not going to understand what that's like we . That's where you have to get vulnerable and really discuss like this is what it feels like to be like this . This is why it's important to me . This is why it's important to me that we find a good balance Like that .
Those conversations need to be had .
Yeah , Absolutely , Absolutely . The third one is parenting . Um , I think I said this is a tough one , Um , I think there's a lot , of , a lot of evolution we've made in our marriage , for sure , over parenting and trying to be on the same page . Um , cause Amy and I did grow up with different ways that we were parented .
My parents , um , I virtually had no rules and and could do what I want , and Amy's parents were more strict , which was probably a good thing .
But I think we we grew up so differently that obviously our parenting styles or the way we look at things can sometimes differ and and you know , obviously just ignoring , ignoring that um could really create problems as well .
I think what worked for us is really talking about our backgrounds and our upbringings together . Like really getting into detail , like this is how my parents raised me and this is how I feel , like it affected me Negatives , positives , goods and bads , right . Or about super vulnerable , like , okay , his situation , why didn't have rules ?
This is what happened , this was good , this was bad , like . And then we come together and came up with like , okay , where do we find a common ground where boundaries are set , where , okay , this was negative because of this , so maybe we try not doing that and do more of this . Like that takes some serious conversation .
And when you find that balance , like , yeah , your parents are probably too lenient , mine were probably too strict , I rebelled because of that . You were really good , because you weren't pushed Finding that middle ground . And like , okay , you know what , let's try it . And it's important to remember there's no parenting manuals , right .
So like we're all just kind of winging and doing the best that we can , but if you have each other's back , it makes parenting so much easier .
Well , that's the key , I think .
I think the way this could , like I said , go really wrong and how spouses tend to maybe sweep things under the rug or ignore things is if you had different parenting styles and because you're different parenting styles , you're disciplining your kids different ways , and that you know oh yeah , you can have a sleep over and the other spouse saying absolutely not , you
could see how that could cause a lot of disconnect to where one spouse finally just says well , all right , I'm not , I'm just I'm going to ignore it , not worry about this . That can lead to a lot of conflict , obviously between a couple .
So , like Amy said , just having having those discussions and making those decisions together is vital and , even if you don't fully agree , backing each other up and supporting each other really is the key .
For sure .
Oh , the next one addictions . I think this is something that a lot of people tend to run from or hide , maybe a little bit hide from their hiding from their problems , sometimes even hiding from their spouses .
I had a good friend in high school and he was telling me the story about how , you know , they did pretty well financially and one day the spouse went to the gas station and tried using the credit card and the credit card didn't work . And they're thinking what in the world ? Why is my credit card not working ?
And , you know , tried another one and you know that didn't work either . So he went home and he's like what in the world ? So he started doing a little bit of digging and found out that all the credit cards were maxed out and the home had leans against it and all these things .
And the other spouse had a gambling addiction that the spouse didn't know about . And make a long story short .
This addiction , you know , obviously probably started out small and probably got into a little bit of debt and thought , hey , I'm , you know , I'm not , I'm gonna ignore this problem , I'll work it out , I'll figure it out , and didn't say anything to the other spouse . Well , make a long story short .
Obviously I don't know the full extent , but they had tons of credit card debt pretty much maxed out their house . I don't remember if they lost their house or almost lost their house . Point I'm trying to make is this addictive behavior almost caused them to lose not everything , not only everything they had , but also their marriage .
So you know , when dealing with addictions whether it's a gambling or pornography or you know something like that- social media social media , you know , rather than , just , you know , running from that problem and thinking it'll resolve itself , or keeping it from your spouse , ignoring it so important to talk about those things together with your spouse .
I mean just this gambling , you know , scenario . If the spouse would have talked to the other spouse , said , hey look , here's what I've done . We're now , you know , $5,000 in debt or $10,000 or whatever that is I needed . We needed to figure out a way and work together on this .
It could have probably really avoided from turning into a really massive and big problem . Right , and that's the point we're trying to make is , rather than running from the problems and letting them turn into much bigger problems , really talking about them as a couple .
For sure which is hard . This one's really hard because once you feel like you're addicted to something , it's embarrassing , it's it's . I have a weakness and I have to come to you and tell you about this weakness . But it's important , but it's hard . It is , it's really hard especially if you're a shape , it's something that you're super ashamed of .
Like I think that's the biggest . Yeah , it's my spouse .
Is it a safe place ? Is my spouse gonna judge me ? Is she gonna he ? She gonna look down on me ? Is it gonna cause a fight and resentment or something worse , like it's just . I Just gotta suck it up and talk about it for sure .
The next one is emotional distance and I think you know lack of emotional intimacy . You know when couples feel disconnected or maybe their feelings have been hurt about something , maybe they've had an argument and their feelings are hurt and they just try to ignore it .
But the problem with ignoring it is that resentment can build up over time and time and time and turn into something where it's just Ready , you know building up that pressure , just ready , ready to explode , and by the time it explodes it could be too late absolutely Mm-hmm . Any thoughts on that ? I mean , we've kind of dealt with that a little bit right .
Yeah , I just I think a lot of people struggle with this one . I don't even know where to start . All the things that we've already talked about Cause a wedge between this emotional intimacy . Right , like , like little things cause a wedge , like getting upset .
Talking negatively , I mean the scent , the tone of voice that you use , getting frustrated , being impatient , those cause wedge . And and the deeper your wedge goes , the bigger the crack comes . I mean that that gap and then the sexual intimacy gets cut off , like we always talk about .
So keeping your emotional Intimacy and connection strong is just , it's just key , and that just it takes time . It takes all those simple things we talk about all the time .
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¶ Importance of Addressing Relationship Issues
not . I think this too is an area like you said . It's pretty calmer , but it's really easy to just ignore things and say , oh , you know what , it's not a big deal , I'll just deal with it . And then another problem happens . And another problem happens and you don't .
You just sweep it under rug , you don't address it , you don't talk about it , thinking that Hopefully things will get better . But actually things get worse and worse and worse and build up to a point to where you're just like Can't take it anymore , so someone's eventually breaks in the marriage right .
Yeah , so again just really having those tough conversations and talking about everything you know and I think to just continue to have date nights and and Really trying to connect Emotionally and keeping those good , that good communication going . And the final one is unresolved conflicts . I think this kind of goes hand-in-hand with what we just talked about .
But the ticking time bomb . Yeah , yeah you named it the ticking . I mean it's true , like we just said , right , like someone's gonna blow up eventually . Like you can only push stuff under the rug before it piles up so high that someone can seize it right . Like you can't hide stuff forever not in a marriage .
So it's important to just never even try to hide it , like if you're , if you're open and clear about all these things from like Right , when it starts happening , then you are causing , so You're , you're keeping from causing all this down the road pain , right . Yeah and heartbreak .
Exactly and regardless of what it is , regardless of whether it's finances or the emotional intimacy or sexual intimacy or unresolved conflicts or things like that .
The point we're trying to make is , if you're just ignoring those things and sweeping them under the rug or running from those issues , thinking that , hey , if we just avoid them , things will be better , you're making a big mistake , because eventually those are gonna turn into much bigger problems and bigger issues , and sometimes , often , like I said , when it almost
becomes too late .
For sure , and it's hard to Like all the simple things which is mentioned , like going on a date night , kissing goodbye , saying I love you , speaking your spouse's love language , connecting every night before you go to bed all those things that are so simple become so much harder when you're disconnected in any way , like if you just had an argument of over
something from one of these things that we just talked about . It's gonna be hard for you want to go up to hug , hug your spouse and say I love you . Like that becomes hard . Wanting to go on a date night when you're not feeling connected at all , that's hard .
You just made date night , which should be an exciting thing for the both of you , and romantic and connecting . That's hard , because nobody wants to go on a date with someone , just the two of you , and look at each other and be like we are having resentment between us , right ?
Or or helping each other out when there's any kind of resentment or unresolved conflicts . It's just like those simple things get hard , that you make them hard and those are the kind of things that you can't let go of or your marriage will not make it . So it's just super important to .
I mean , when we talk about , like coming back from conflicts and really connecting and not sleeping on a long time and giving silence to men , all those kind of things . They're important because when you're in conflict or unresolved conflicts , you are going to stop doing those little things that keep you together .
Yeah , for sure .
So I guess our challenge to you this week is , if there's anything that you kind of feel like you've swept under the rug or you're ignoring in your relationship or maybe almost hiding from your spouse , sit down , have a good , open and honest conversation with them and address the issue before it becomes too late , because eventually it might be too late .
It might be too late . It's really hard to come back from something when it's a big , deep problem . Right , like it was hard for us .
We got like Nick was saying at the beginning , like we got to a point , we were like at a breaking point and it was like we had to turn the switch on , like we literally have to start over tomorrow fresh , throw everything out , fix everything , heal , forgive , start fresh or we're not going to make it . And sometimes it takes that in marriage .
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