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The Two Matts

The New Worldwww.thenewworld.co.uk
Join The New World's Matt Kelly and Matt d'Ancona plus occasional guests for weekly chat on politics and media with a side of cultural stuff. A podcast in the spirit of the award-winning New World newspaper - irreverent, witty, surprising, argumentative ... and annoying all the right people.

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Episodes

Saul Klein: Britain can succeed - but a lot must change

Saul Klein is one of the UK’s top venture capitalists - he’s helped build some extraordinary businesses and he understands, as few do, just how our capitalist society really functions... or doesn’t. He describes himself as a professional optimist and has a fascinating, wide-ranging narrative entwining European history, the negative consequences of Silicon Valley’s dominance in tech, Britain’s real place in the world based on the actual data and not media negativity… and where a new embrace of Br...

Jan 15, 20261 hr 7 min

The Two Matts Q&A: Is Nato dead? Is Marty Supreme any good? And should old people vote?

The Matts answer your questions. including Trump’s kleptocracy, Laila Cunningham’s chances of becoming mayor of London, why The New World is still on X, an upper limit on the voting age, how good Timothée Chalamet’s blockbuster ping pong movie Marty Supreme is and what chance there is of a special edition of The New World commemorating the forthcoming 10th anniversary of the Brexit referendum. Enjoy! Produced by Matt Withers OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https...

Jan 11, 202636 min

The new world order is revealing itself

The Matts pick apart the extraordinary events of this week and make sense* of what they mean for life on planet Earth in the second quarter of the 21st century. What is Trump up to? How can Europe react to a threat from a NATO member state? What is the future of Greenland? How is it connected to a future territorial dispute in Siberia? And what straight line can be drawn from the horrific murder of a 37-year-old woman on the streets of Minnesota and the abduction of the Venezuelan president? 202...

Jan 08, 202647 min

The Matts’ cultural highlights of the year

2025 may have been an absolute skip fire for political progress but it was a cracker for culture. The Matts round off the year with their highlights - but what will be their joint top moment of 2025? Thank you for listening this year - the Matts return early January and wish all listeners a fabulous festive season and happy New Year! Head to nakedwines.co.uk/matts to get a £30 voucher and 6 top-rated wines from our sponsor Naked Wines for £39.99, delivery included. OFFER: Get The New World for j...

Dec 23, 202536 min

When are we going to take anti-semitism seriously (and actually do something about it?)

The Matts explore the issues thrown up by the dreadful massacre of Jews at Bondi Beach this week. When is a protest actually an act of violence? Why do we rush to talk of securing synagogues from attack rather than address the root problem of those attacks? How will our politicians get ahead of what is obviously a cycle of anti-Semitic violence against Jewish communities around the world that will be repeated over and over until something fundamental shifts? Also this week - what does Trump’s re...

Dec 16, 20251 hr 6 min

The Two Matts Q&A: Should we hand US authorities our social media history?

Matthew d’Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss the Trump administration’s demand for visitors to hand over five years’ worth of social media history, why political manifestos have got so long and whether Piers Morgan was right to give such lengthy exposure to Nick Fuertes. Plus they talk about whether the UK should be able to exert conditions on a sovereign state like Argentina when it comes to defence procurement, what’s going on with the price of beef and which mag...

Dec 14, 202541 min

Fludemic, Zack Polanski, and a (rare) big-up to Keir

The Matts wonder what we’ve learned since Covid … and if the reaction to the current flu outbreak is anything to go by, the answer is not much. The conversation segways into Zack Polanski and political energy. Then in part two, both Matts are united - for once - in praise for Keir Starmer’s attempt to reinterpret the European Convention on Human Rights to deliver swift action on asylum seekers who break our laws. Enjoy! Head to nakedwines.co.uk/matts to get a £30 voucher and 6 top-rated wines fr...

Dec 11, 202539 min

In defence of a new Europe - with Paul Mason

The Trump administration’s National Security Strategy document released this week is an astonishing affront to what many of us believe to be the liberal world order. The Matts are joined by New World contributing editor and columnist Paul Mason to understand just how far reaching its consequences are - and how Europe must find new purpose if it is to resist it. Where is the UK’s place in that new Europe? And sweat must this Labour government do to avoid chronic declinism? It’s an engrossing conv...

Dec 09, 20251 hr 13 min

Is Richard Tice as nasty as he seems?

Today on The Two Matts podcast, Matt Kelly and Matt d’Ancona again respond to your queries. They discuss whether Richard Tice is as nasty as he appears to be, and if there is a world where Labour and the Conservatives form a German-style grand coalition to keep Reform from forming the next government. They also talk about whether calling out Brexit could be a winning strategy for the prime minister at the next election and, in the world of media, why the Daily Mail hates Prince Harry so much. Fi...

Dec 07, 202541 min

Hillsborough justice delayed is no justice at all

The Matts examine the conclusion of the Independent Office for Police Conduct 14 YEAR (!) investigation into the Hillsborough disaster and reflect on the ghastly sequence of events that has consumed so many lives, literally and otherwise. And to add insult to the closure of a process that has taken 36 years to produce zero accountability for the 97 lives lost by unlawful killing. Also, in the first half of the pod, the Matts discuss Trump’s latest outrage and how it is opening the door to racism...

Dec 04, 202547 min

Journalism’s race to the bottom

The Matts discuss the central role journalism has played in fostering racism in Britain over the decades, and which now looks like it is entering a new, more dangerous phase. The chat is based on an article Matt Kelly wrote for The New World - the link is below. But before that - why did Rachel Reeves mislead the public about the state of the nation’s finances and how much trouble is she (and the government in general) now in? Enjoy! Read Matt Kelly’s article here: https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/...

Dec 02, 202558 min

The Two Matts Q&A: Should Farage’s schoolboy racism count against him?

Today on The Two Matts podcast, Matthew d’Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether Nigel Farage’s schoolboy racism should count against him 45 years later and, after The New World’s Kent council cover story, how the media can continue to hold the Reform party to account. They also talk about the best outcome for Ukraine in any peace deal and how to solve the immigration debate. Could a Citizens Assembly be the answer, as one listener suggests? Finally, the Matts ...

Nov 30, 202531 min

Has the Budget sealed Starmer’s fate?

Did Rachel Reeves turn a corner this week with her Budget … and drive this Labour government straight off a cliff? The Matts reflect on her performance yesterday and how she fared in the media round this morning. It’s not great news for those of us clinging to the hope that Starmer can reinvigorate his government and begin to climb the polls. In fact … it’s enough to convince one of the Matts that there’s now no way back for this underwhelming double act. Also - the Matts delve into this week’s ...

Nov 27, 202550 min

PRE-BUDGET SPECIAL - with Tom Baldwin

The Matts are joined by Labour insider and New World contributing editor Tom Baldwin - fresh from his in depth interview with the woman of the hour, Chancellor Rachel Reeves. Tom explains what’s going on in Reeves’ head (lots) and how she faces an unprecedented challenge - calming a febrile electorate while delivering enough visible progress to keep Reform out of government. Is she up to the job? Listen to find out. Then the conversation turns to her boss - Keir Starmer. Can he really beat Farag...

Nov 25, 202557 min

This week's Two Matts Q&A: Do we need a public inquiry into the BBC?

Matthew d’Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether we need a public inquiry into the BBC’s remit in British life, if we would all be better informed if we listened to experts and - in the light of allegations about Nigel Farage’s school years - whether leopards ever change their spots. Plus they talk about Mohammed bin Salman - a force for good or evil? - the war in Ukraine entering its fourth winter and whether there has ever been a leader with worse taste in ho...

Nov 23, 202534 min

BRACE! BRACE! Trump goes into emergency mode as Epstein crisis gets real

The Matts dig into the unfolding drama in Washington as Trump performs the reversal of his career and signs off on the release of the Epstein files. How much trouble is he in? Also - what should we make of Labour’s new crackdown on immigration? The Matts may disagree about the messaging but are fairly aligned about the merits (or otherwise) of the policy. But will this change anything for a government besieged? Enjoy! Head to nakedwines.co.uk/matts to get a £30 voucher and 6 top-rated wines from...

Nov 20, 202550 min

Inside the mind of a 16-year-old - with Peter Hyman and Shuab Gamote

Maybe the best podcast we’ve done to date? You be the judge - but the Matts explore an extraordinary study into how 16 and 17-year-olds are thinking about a wide range of issues, both political and social. It’s important and timely; they will have the vote at the next election and will play a big role in deciding what trajectory Britain takes. And it’s not what you might imagine … so many of this report’s findings fly in the face of what many of us oldies believe to be true. Peter and Shuab spok...

Nov 18, 202554 min

This week's Two Matts Q&A: Is it time to let talent like Mamdani run for president?

Matthew d’Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether it is time for the US to repeal its natural-born citizen clause and let talent like Zohran Mamdani run for president and if reducing regulations would allow the Michelle Mones of this world to prosper, and revisit their chat with Jo Bartosch on pornography. Plus they talk about simplifying the tax code, whether there is a media silence on the new Green leader Zack Polanski and who will be first up against the wal...

Nov 16, 202540 min

EXCLUSIVE: How the BBC dossier author HIMSELF doctored Trump’s quotes

The Matts kick off the show discussing The New World’s exclusive by political editor James Ball that Michael Prescott - author of the dossier into the BBC - himself doctored Trump quotes in the report, making his evidence seem more damning. It’s an extraordinary revelation that calls into question Prescott’s journalistic judgement. To read the full story go to thenewworld.co.uk . Also this week - Labour contrive to make things actually worse for themselves. Quite the challenge but they pull it o...

Nov 13, 202542 min

A deep dive into the world of porn with Jo Bartosch

The Matts join the fray on chaos at the BBC … what does it mean for the future of the corporation and why we should all be glad to pay for it. Then they are joined by Jo Bartosch, co-author of Pornocracy, an argument about the evils of pornography in today’s world. How has porn changed in the age of the internet - and how has it changed the human species. You will be astonished at some of Jo’s findings. It goes without saying this podcast contains some adult themes so listening in the car with k...

Nov 11, 20251 hr 1 min

This week's Two Matts Q&A: Is charisma now a political party in its own right?

Matthew d’Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether the enthusiasm for the new New York mayor Zohran Mamdani shows charisma is now a political party in its own right, if a Reform government would open the racist floodgates and whether a 2p income tax rise is enough to fix Britain’s problems. Plus they talk about whether anyone actually cares about the climate crisis anymore and if the future of AI is actually a lot brighter than we give it credit for. OFFER: Get T...

Nov 09, 202530 min

Is the Mamdani moment as big as it seems?

The Matts weigh up the success of New York Mayor-elect Zohran Mamdani and ask how much we should read into a good set of results for Democrats in the US. And will winning the election prove the easy part now Mamdani has to govern a city notoriously impatient with its mayors? Also - as Mamdani sets out to bring clarity to the unprecedented inequality in American society, what does Elon Musk’s $1trillion pay packet tell us about capitalism in the first quarter of the 21st Century? Enjoy! OFFER: Ge...

Nov 07, 202547 min

Reeves flunks it

The Matts are bewildered at the chancellor’s performance this morning - who was she talking to? What was she trying to achieve? Why can’t anyone in government seem to speak plain English? Also this week - as The New World launches a long-term campaign Read Against Racism, the Matts analyse how it is that the UK has gone backwards on hard-won progress against hatred and bigotry - and what can be done to fix it. Enjoy! OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https://www.t...

Nov 04, 20251 hr 2 min

This week's Two Matts Q&A: Is it time for Keir Starmer to finally smell the roses?

Matthew d’Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether the Caerphilly by-election shows it’s time for Keir Starmer finally to smell the roses on the EU, if opinion polls truly matter and whether Andy Burnham should support Lucy Powell for the Labour leadership. Plus they talk about how the media landscape has changed since the phone-hacking scandal, community tensions over asylum applications and the return of Mr Blobby. OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the f...

Nov 02, 202536 min

The Autocrats … Trump and Xi kiss and make up (for now)

Donald Trump meets President Xi of China and saves face in his latest about-turn in policy. Is there method in the madness or is this yet more evidence of the capricious randomness at the heart of Trump’s foreign policy? Also … Matt D watches the latest production to emerge from the writing genius that is Mick Herron - the novelist behind the Slow Horses drama series. Does Down Cemetery Road live up to the standards of its impressive antecedent? Only one way to find out! Enjoy! OFFER: Get The Ne...

Oct 30, 202538 min

Rock bottom (maybe?) for Labour - where next?

As Keir Starmer becomes the MPs unpopular PM in history, the Matts ask what on earth he can do to turn his premiership around. Has he got it within him to become the radical agent of change he promised, especially now there seems nothing much to lose in terms of winning an election that seems beyond him. Also - what does Sarah Pochin’s racism tell us about what’s going on within Reform? Enjoy! OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/2matts ...

Oct 28, 202547 min

This week's Two Matts Q&A: Are we giving Nigel Farage too much airtime?

Matthew d'Ancona and Matt Kelly again respond to your queries. They discuss whether the pod is giving Nigel Farage too much airtime, why nobody is talking about the fundamental realities of the UK economy and the government’s twin responses to Prince Andrew and the grooming gangs scandal. Plus they talk about whether Piers Morgan is right that woke is dead, and who the biggest charlatan they’ve ever met is. OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https://www.thenewworld...

Oct 26, 202534 min

Cops have no business policing the offensive

The Matts rail against the weaponisation of the law against people who are merely grossly offensive. Where is the line? Who decides what is illegal and what is not? And have we all drifted into a society that can’t shrug off an insult? Also - Michael Wolff takes on Melania Trump; the best horror movies for Halloween; and the Boss is back in a new Springsteen documentary… is it any good? Enjoy! OFFER: Get The New World for just £1 for the first month. Head to https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/2matts ...

Oct 23, 202554 min

National disgrace: Where Andrew and the grooming gangs meet

The Matts see a parallel between two outrages; the disgusting conduct of Prince Andrew; a man shielded from consequences of his depravity by power and wealth - and the national grooming gang scandals; men shielded from consequences of their depravity by a failure of the liberal establishment to confront reality. Both cases touch on what we perceive British values to mean and how, in both cases, it seems we are still ill-equipped to right their wrongs. Be aware; it’s a tough listen in parts. OFFE...

Oct 21, 202555 min

Q&A: Israel and Palestine… the gloves come off

This Q&A episode features a robust and at times contentious discussion between the two Matts regarding media coverage of the Israel-Palestine conflict, specifically addressing perceived biases in valuing Israeli versus Palestinian lives. They also tackle questions on the pervasive influence of figures like Paul Marshall in British politics, the regulatory challenges of GB News, and the implications of a potential Nigel Farage premiership. The conversation expands to ponder Donald Trump's future historical assessment if Middle East peace prevails, and the concerning global trend of declining democracy, before concluding with lighter personal anecdotes.

Oct 19, 202546 min
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