Vivek Ramaswamy & RFK Jr: Brazil Banning X, the New Russian Hoax, and the Kamala Harris Scam

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Thank you very much. I feel like it is a thank you. It is a true joy to be here. I must say, as a native Californian, it's hard to believe I'm here. Thank you. It's funny. I am thrilled to be in the state of California, which I often make fun of and scold like an errant child, but I love.

I'm the product of it, many generations of Californians, and I wound up running away and moving to the far from here as I possibly could, but every time I come back, literally, I move diagonally across the country, next stop Canada. Every time I come back, I know. Every time I come back, I think, I can't believe I left here. It's just so great. You get such a different sense of being here and meeting people who still live here who haven't run away, like terrified children like me.

You really get the sense that there are so many great and normal people still in California. The people who stayed, the actual Californians, people who were born in California, there's an intensity to them. I was thinking tonight, I was with about 100 of them, so my relatives are here, and it really is like talking to Cuban refugees. They know what the stakes are. They're not floating through life.

So I'm going to bless you. When I was a child growing up in La Jolla, we had, I lived in San Francisco, I know, LA, and then La Jolla, and we would have entire afternoon conversations about the weather, and I never realized, I thought it was a little weird, but I didn't realize how totally deranged it was because our weather never changed at all. It went from like 76 and partly cloudy to 77 and sunny and then returned to the former. That's all we talked about.

Now when I come to the state, particularly to Orange County, people are just in Fuego, like they know what's up. The people who have stayed here, a lot of them plan to stay here, period, and to make the state better. And what I realized and bless you for your courage and determination and not being run out and calling you all and going to Idaho, though it's close and tempting.

But what I always think when I come back, I think two things in sequence, in order. The first thing I think is, man, as the state screwed up. And then the second thing I think is, you could fix it in about 20 minutes. It's not hard. This is not the social security problem or the national debt. These are not complex math problems. California has problems that are intentionally imposed on the state.

People worked hard. They stayed up late, thinking of new and diabolical and inventive ways to wreck the most beautiful place God ever made. And that's like the sickest thing I can imagine. Why would you want to destroy something as beautiful as California? I don't know. I don't know the answer. I don't think it's political. I think it's spiritual.

But I do know that the anecdote is really simple. So the California that I grew up in, and when I was little not far from here, I was in Anaheim at five and like every five-year-old in the state of California in 1974, I could not wait to get to Disneyland. And Anaheim was very much like Disneyland. And it was like the rest of the state that I grew up in. It was clean. It was orderly. And it was fair. It was the fairest state out of 50. It was a pure meritocracy California was.

You came to California because you had ambition or a vision. And in California you were allowed to make it real. If you worked hard, you were smart. You get rich in California and a lot of people did from all over the country. Yeah, they did. And what is that? That's fairness. It's allowing people to reach their full expression as human beings. That's fairness. It's not penalizing people for who their parents were, how they look. It's allowing people to truly blossom.

And California was the world headquarters of that. And it had the greatest natural resources. If any place literally on the planet, it had the richest farmland, it had the most beautiful beaches, that the prettiest mountains, had the most majestic trees. It was redwoods like we did. Nobody. We mock your trees. We did. We feel sorry for you. Oh, look at my white kind, my oak. Yeah, okay. Does the word Sequoia mean anything to you?

It was just incredible. The bounty of it was insane. Go up to Big Bear, up into the seeras. We would constantly have this debate because I lived in both Northern and Southern California, which is better. And then I just said they're both great. And anyone who doesn't live here is to be pitted. And this time where we are now, I think it's still the biggest municipality in Orange County, I think.

And we was, anyway, Anaheim. Anaheim was a reflection of the state and of the biggest business in the town, which was Disneyland. And Disneyland, the purity of Disneyland when I was a child, is incomprehensible to young people now. But it was a reflection of what California was like. It was totally clean, not anaceptically clean, not hospital room clean, but just clean.

In the way that it places when it's owned by someone who cares about it. And it was orderly, not in some kind of overbearing, fascist way, but in the way that every human desires there was an order to it. And it was wholesome, it was legit wholesome. I'm not that old, but I remember in my like seventh grade class, somebody whispering about his cousin who had gotten high in the parking lot at Disneyland and done space mountain, and we were like, wow.

You were high at Disneyland? Dude, be careful. They don't allow that at Disneyland. Okay, it's Disneyland, dude. I remember thinking that was totally shocking. I'm sure it's like a fentanyl dispenser there now, whatever. But at the time, that was like impossible to comprehend. I remember being freaked out by it. I'm never getting high at Disneyland.

They'll know. Because everyone at Disneyland is like a really upstanding good person. It wasn't just a theme park, it was a metaphor for California. It was like a really good state filled good people. The cops weren't corrupt. The LAPD was like, I know it's hard to believe now, however, it makes fun of it, but at the time it was a LAPD. They were all like people who couldn't make it in Hollywood.

Now they all look like they were washed out of the beach boys or something, kind of handsome with little mustaches. So you were speeding. Okay. There's no chance you have to pay the guy off. It's the LAPD. The whole state was like that. It was a reflection of the people who ran the state. Disney was found by Walt Disney, who was an American and was a creative genius. The guy who created the art owned the company. The most creative person got the richest.

That was before an economy that rewarded lawyers in accountants and DEI consultants and politicians and bureaucrats. People who lack any creativity whatsoever, who in a fair country would be painting your house at best. And in fact, let me retract that as someone who spent a summer as a house painter and learned that cutting and rolling is actually pretty hard. There's no chance that Gavin Newsom could paint your house. There's no chance.

He couldn't. I can just picture him like covered in masking tape and the late text and being like, what? How does this work? Yeah, yeah. He can consume overpriced wine at the French laundry that says only skill and he can extort money from you with moral blackmail.

It's not just California, of course, it's not just the United States, it's the entire West, but we have a system designed by people who in a fair country would have no shot at power or wealth. And so what they have done systematically is create a system to give themselves power and wealth at the expense of people who actually deserve it, which is to say hardworking smart creative people.

And Disney is the perfect metaphor for this. So a company was created by a true artistic genius, like actually genius, who drew the cells himself, who thought of things in his own brain and brought them to the world and changed the perception of America around the world, the Disney companies did.

And he ran the company and owned it and then gradually like the state itself, Disney was taken over by lawyers and accountants and other bottom feeders, money worshippers, disgusting human beings who hated America. And the town around Disney is still a cool town, but it's not recognizable in the place it was when I was a kid and a lot of the state isn't.

And so how do you fix that? I must say as someone who spent his life on TV yapping about ideas, they sent their ideas on cable news, ideas with quotation marks around them, small ideas, more reflexes than ideas, but whatever. I don't really think this is an ideological problem. I don't think you have to be steeped in Austrian economics to fix a place like California or a country like America. You need really one thing and that's love for the people who live here. It's true.

And as the father of four or any parent in the room can tell you what's the key to parenthood reading the right book about it, mastering the right parenting technique. I've never met a single parent in my life who reads a ton of parenting books who's a good parent. Not one. They're all weird. And their kids are weird. They've always theories. Stop.

No, you love your kids. That's the key to parenting. And if you love your kids, you're probably not going to be a perfect parent. I certainly wasn't. But if you love them hard enough, you'll come back to the center every time you will make over time the right decisions about how to raise your kids if you put your love for them at the center of the project. I love my child. What should I do?

But it's not just parenting. That requires that it's all forms of leadership. From leadership on the battlefield, the officer for his men. In the corporate environment, the CEO for his employees and in the political sphere. The leader for his people, a leader who loves the people he leads will not systematically mistreat them. He will instead over time make basically the right decisions or decisions that are in the vicinity of the right decisions, which is good enough for me.

He'll make mistakes because we all do. But he won't destroy them. They won't wind up in rehab or wind up living on the street dying of fentanyl O.D.'s or crapping on the sidewalk. He won't open the borders to people who aren't even from here who break the law flagrally and then send the millions of dollars from the people who work hard legally to give them free phones and plane tickets and housing vouchers and free healthcare. What? No.

Any more than he would let random strangers into his own house to take food from his own children because he loves his own children first. That's why. And so the problem that you have, and it's once again for the eighth time, particularly poignant for me as a product of the state, is someone who really loved it. You know, totally overbearing arrogant way. Someone who actually may or may not have an abundance checker that says, no, life, Easter, I five possible I had that.

It's so insufferable. Someone should have beat me up for that. I wish someone had. But anyway, the point is I really love the state. And to see what's happened, you just, you fixate on it and those of you who still live here haven't called you all yet. I know that you fixate on it. And so the answer is only to find leaders who care about you, who love you and who will provide the basic desires of the human heart.

And in case you've forgotten what those are, here's what they are. Order. People hate chaos. They don't just hate chaos. And actually they hate it viscerally. And they have every reason they, in fact, they can't tolerate chaos. And they have every reason to hate it and be intolerant of it because what is chaos? Chaos is the most visible sign not of disorganization or disorder of evil. Chaos is evil. Evil brings chaos. What's the first thing God did? He brought order out of what? Chaos.

So if you were looking at chaos, a chaotic situation, anywhere you were looking at a manifestation of evil. Whether the person creating the chaos knows it or not that's irrelevant. Evil is happening in front of you and it hurts people more than anything. People need order and predictability. Not fascism, okay. Order and predictability.

It's not wrong to want that. It's essential to demand it. Okay. The second thing they want is safety and cleanliness. They don't want to get shot. Go into the grocery store. They don't want a home invasion. When their car gets broken into, they want the police to find the person who did it and punish him. And they want all these things because those are the main functions of government.

That the reason we have a government. If your government can't even respond to a car break in or an armed robbery or a home invasion or a belligerent mental ill person, crapping on the sidewalk in front of your house, that government has no legitimacy and shouldn't exist. That's the first order of government to protect you from obvious threats. Not from nicotine pouches or climate change.

Come on now. From the minimally ill guy crapping on the sidewalk, that's the number one thread in your life. That's what scares your children. In any government, I'll resay it, who can't protect you or doesn't care to protect you from that threat is not legitimate and has no right to exist. Period. And the third thing to restate that every government owes its citizens who are the owners of that government, they're the owners of the government.

The government has no legitimacy in a constitutional republic apart from the support of voters. Period. It has no legitimacy. The only legitimacy it possesses is your consent. I'm for this therefore it's okay. One of the things that means is if you pass a ballot measure demanding something they have to give it to you. Period. And if they don't give it to you, if they get some judge ticket away from you, that's called tyranny, just so you know.

Sorry. I've seen that happen to the state of California quite a bit. And as a kid, when Howard Jarvis, when Prop 13 came through in 78, whatever you think of it, go Howard Jarvis, there was no thought in the state of California in 1978. I was nine years old. I remember this very well. That some judge could be like, oh, the majority of Californians wanted something, but I don't want it. Therefore they can't have it.

I mean, that would not have been allowed in the state because that's crazy. The only thing that matters in this or any other state is what the people who live their thing. That's the only thing that matters. Because that's our system of government, right? Well, among the things you really can't live without are antibiotics. They are life-saving. Get an infection you need antibiotics or you could die.

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That'll affect the relationship between siblings more than anything else. Mom favors him. I don't like him. You want to wreck the relationship between your children, which is the worst thing you can do to children? Yes, one of the favorites to be fair and one is the one who's the most favored one over the other. Because it's unfair and kids have an acute sense of fairness that never goes away because it's encoded in who they are.

It's in their genes. They were born with it. We know when something's unfair. And the most unfair thing you can do is punish people who are trying their hardest and following the rules. But held in contempt and loathing by the people who run your state. And maybe it's a curtrewf you still live here. Wait a second. I'm not conducting any home invasions. I didn't sneak in here illegally from a foreign country. I pay my freaking taxes. Why? And what grounds do you hate me?

I should be getting the California Medal of Honor. Devon Newsom should be kissing my feet in the governor's office in Sacramento. Thank you, Dutiful Ethical Californian for making this place better. For not throwing the garbage out of the window of your car for getting car insurance. For not driving drunk. For not joining a street gang. For paying your taxes. For funding this whole grotesque charade. We call the government. Thank you.

But when the governor of the state of California and all the little creepy nameless minions beneath him, all the little puppets of the labor unions who actually run California, tell me if I'm lying. All of those people have total contempt for the productive creative, dutiful law-abiding citizens of the state. And so they're moving to Idaho or Texas or Florida to improve those states.

And in so doing, they're leaving the graves of their ancestors in the greatest state out of 50 California. They're abandoning the dreams that brought their ancestors to the state. And that dream was based on fairness, the promise. But if you do the right thing, you will be rewarded. You will not be punished. They're leaving all of that behind. Because a small group of freaks want to punish them? No.

Sorry. Anyway, I'll stop with that. We have a lot more. But let me just say, I just want to say, I admire you those who have stayed. I admire your principal. I admire your grit, your toughness, your perseverance, your resolve. I like it here. I grew up here and I'm not leaving. I don't care. What kind of freak occupies the governor's mansion? That is such a cool attitude. That's a pioneer attitude. That's the attitude that drove your ancestors here in the first place.

I'm kind of sick of Cleveland, Ohio. I'm moving to LA. That's why they came here. That's a cool attitude. And that's the attitude that's keeping you here. And I just want to tell you from very far away that I admire it. So I want to introduce, we have a surprise guest, by the way. But first I want to introduce and begin a conversation with someone I really admire, for Vakurama Swami.

Who ran for president in the Republican primary and dropped out in Dorstronpin has been stumping for Trump as close to Trump. But I've known him since long before he got into politics because he wrote a couple of amazing books. And I talked to interview him about the books and I actually read the books. Not every cable news host reads the books. I'm just telling you that. Or any books ever. Or actually can read to be totally honest. But whatever.

And I don't read all the books, but I did read his books. And they were wonderful. And they were wonderful because he actually thought through what he believed in. He put it all. I was totally transparent. I used to think this, now I think this, here's why. And I respect people like that. And I, so I kind of watched him flower as this political figure. And I heard people say, you know, he's just too articulate. This can't be real.

And there is a kind of bias against people who are almost like supernaturally fluent in a language. It's like you're so silver tongue is the phrase they use. That can't be real. You got to be selling me something if you're that fluent. I mean, I think everyone kind of feels that way. And I just want to say for the record, which is why I asked him beg to come tonight. He is real.

He's totally sincere. Maybe they don't want to think that someone that smart and that well spoken is actually on the other side. This always used to happen to me. Like liberals, I know it would be especially in the state of relatives of mine in California be like, you don't really mean that. Come on. Look, I actually really do. Well, he really means it. And so I'm honored to have him. Ladies and gentlemen, Vivek from the Swami. Wow. Love you guys. This is pretty cool.

This is a real California here. I like this. Oh, yeah. This is the good kind. Oh, it's it is the coolest state. Oh, breaks my heart. So glad you're here. This is a good guy. Yeah. So we're talking, we're talking backstage. Well, I just said that I read your books. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. I spent so many years in TV selling other people's books that I'm never selling anyone's book again. And I wouldn't even bring up your book except I love it.

And it's called Truths. That's the new one that's coming out. Okay. So this is why I'm bringing this up right now. So I said, he said, I said, what do you know when I'm writing a book? It's almost done or it's done. What's it called? Truths. Oh, what are the truths? And I said, what are the truths? And off the top of his head, he listed them. And I just thought it's so great. You got to hear what are the truths, Vivek? God is real.

There are two genders. Fossil fuels are a requirement for human prosperity. Reverse racism is racism. An open border is not a border. Parents determine the education of their children. The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind. Capitalism lifts us up from poverty. There are three branches of government in the United States, not four. And the US Constitution is the strongest and greatest guarantor of freedom in human history. So there's the 10.

I love that. Now you don't have to buy the book. So you start with God is real. Why? So I think that's the ultimate truth. And I say this in particular, I put that first for a reason because a lot of people in thinking about I ran for US President. It was new to think about somebody who was not of the Christian faith who was running for US President but is a person of deep faith.

I think the beauty of the country is it was founded by people who believed that God put them here for a purpose. This country was founded against the backdrop of divine providence. And so I think part of what's going on in the country is that especially young people, people my age and I love a lot of young people here too.

But generation is so hungry for purpose right now. We are hungry for a cause. We're hungry for meaning. We want to be part of something bigger than ourselves yet we can't even answer what it means to be an American. But I think part of that hole in our heart. It's what blazed Pascal said. He's a famous scientist 400 years ago. He said that if you have a hold the size of God in your heart and God does not fill it, something else will instead.

He think about wokeism or transgenderism or climatism or covedism or globalism or zalenskyism or whatever the case may be. That's a bad one. But you see these things serially coming up over and over again. There's substitutes for the real thing and I am a big fan of the revival of faith in America. Not by force. The beauty of this country is you don't have to. If it is natural to you but the revival of faith in the real thing and true God.

And I think if we revive faith in this country, it would actually be much more united as a country as well. It's interesting. So you just spent one of the everyone makes fun of politics and considers politicians loathsome which they are. I can confirm that. But the one cool thing I like about campaigns and it does force people who want to hold power to go meet a lot of people and to get on the road and get to a lot of different places in this fast country.

And you've just done that. So you said there is a revival of faith. Did you feel that on the road? Absolutely. I mean there is a hunger for even people who are questioning what their actual beliefs were and sometimes when you do that you actually emerge stronger on the other side of it. So I met a lot of people across the country. So you're traveling in Iowa. Meet a lot of evangelical Christians. Have a fair question ask question of Ken of Hindu be president.

That forced me to confront what a lot of my own beliefs were in a way that I wouldn't have if you weren't really pressed on it day to day. And I think one of the traps you can fall into and at times I would catch myself falling into as well as you treat conversations as pattern recognition.

So it's like okay that's where I turn on the auto script that sounds like the best answer to this question and I decided halfway through the campaign I'm not going to do that. I'm going to treat every conversation as a unique conversation probably talk to tens of thousands of people across this country. And you know I hope I contributed something but I can tell you I definitely emerged as a stronger human being and a stronger person because of it.

And I think we don't do that enough in this country anymore is just you don't have to agree with me on everything and I have to agree with you on everything but the more we're able to just talk openly without a filter about questions like faith about what our actual convictions are about what it means to be a citizen of this country.

One of the things that I learned is that this narrative of national division is actually a myth I do believe that and I'm not saying it's some fake kumbaya kind of way that overall united because we agree on everything because we obviously don't.

But I think most people in the country do share the same national values in common the idea that you get to speak your mind or you do or I do as long as our neighbor gets to in return the idea that the people we elect to run the government ought to be the ones who actually run the government not some unelected bureaucrat as a hired hand issuing edicts from on high.

I think most people in America agree on these things are at least 80% do and 20% are younger than me who are never taught those ideals in the first place who we can bring along to. And so that was probably the number one thing I took away from traveling the country is we had protesters at my events often my rule of thumb was unless there being totally violent and disruptive will give them a mic they get to speak their mind as long as they sit down and listen what everybody else has to say.

And there was some beautiful thing beautiful moments that came out of that that I didn't expect during the campaign and so I just do think in this true way and if you take away one thing from my own experience in the campaign it is that this myth of national division is just that it is a myth it serves certain interests of the people who perpetuate that myth.

But if we cut through that I think we are actually far more united as a country than they will sell you and I think in a few months hopefully in about two to three months we may be seeing that on a scale that people may not expect. I agree with that.

This is of course everything is accelerating because of the election something happened yesterday that you know it's getting harder and harder to be shocked by what the by demonstration does so much of this unprecedented but something did shock me yesterday where the

Department of Justice so called which is a grotesque really parody of a Department of Justice indicted to foreigners and named in the indictment three conservative podcasters internet figures all Trump supporters as somehow connected to a foreign country.

And immediately their content started disappearing from say YouTube pulled a big documentary off YouTube this morning because the by demonstration said that yes it's beyond belief so basically you have the by demonstrations department of justice shutting down criticism of the by demonstration.

I don't know if I'm going insane or I'm missing but is anyone noticing this how is this allowed so so there's I'm glad you guys up there is definitely something really weird going on here so I don't have any facts any different than what other people have read about this in the last 24 hours but I do have a gut instinct about it that's pretty strong and it comes from just basic pattern recognition of the last two election cycles okay but my background is an entrepreneur I have not been paying super close attention American politics till about 2016 and then much more.

2020 and then of course I'm in the thick of it now but let me take those last two presidential elections so this myth of and does it exist some sort of foreign election attempts at interference of course it does it happens worldwide it happens here in the United States but this idea of Russian election interference in particular let's trace the history of that in each of the last two elections let's go to 2016 the allegation of Russian election interference to support Donald Trump when you double click on that look at what was the actual election.

It was actually US election interference in the US election through the steel dossier but longer to through the narrative of actual Russian interference and actually there was a Russian intermediate to perpetuate that attempt at election interference about Trump's Russia collusion hoax that's in 2016 now we get to 2020 again domestic election interference is the systematic suppression of the hundred Biden laptop story

that didn't happen by Russian companies in happen by the Russian government it happened by US social media companies acting at the direction of deep state actors in the US government that suppressed probably a story whose suppression changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential election but again what did they say they said no no this was Russian disinformation so now you're seeing a pattern in 2016 there's domestic attempts at election interference but they run it through a Russian smoke screen

in 2020 there's domestic election interference but they run it through a Russian smoke screen so this time around when I see Merrick Garland in the department of justice sitting under the Biden administration suddenly alleging election interference by the Russians I don't have any facts other than to say my radar goes off and says I want to know where that election interference is actually beginning a lot of those allegations that they were somehow helping Trump I think that's the right thing

they were somehow helping Trump I actually got curious actually you could make strong arguments that a lot of these posts or whatever actually weren't helping Trump at all but the fact that they called that Russian election interference again just suggest to me that this may be part of a pattern of what we saw in 2016 in 2020

so I don't really buy what they're selling on this yeah Kamala's losing which she is she she's losing in the states that matter Pennsylvania was cons in Arizona it's amazing so all of a sudden the other side is being funded by Russia of all the countries

it interfere in our elections and there are many Russia's at the bottom of the list okay in terms of effectiveness but it's a little they're literally going back to the Russia Russia Russia well again yeah I think this is not a super clever group right I think that I think the

problem is they are actually a super clever group I think that this is just the beginning of a volley so this one's not going to land I think the public fool me once fool me twice shame on me fool me thrice you know shame on you some whatever the expression is the reality is I think there's some going to be some weird things that happen in the next two months I think they're going to be some depending what happens in the debate so I'm going to the debate next week in

Philadelphia it's going to be Tuesday I think it's going to be probably a Donald Trump demolition demolition destruction of the other side but don't hear too much right because I was at the last one and that's actually in some ways was a trap it was obviously a trap right they scheduled the earliest ever presidential debate in US history why did they do that it was obvious it was that they wanted a test Biden as a final trial balloon and they got a free option because if you did great great they

turned the race upside down but if Biden is poorly as he did they swapped him out it was something unthinkable that became the obvious so I think if we have another debate smackdown on Tuesday as I if I was a betting man I predict that's what we're about to have I also would predict we're going to have some very strange things that happen on the back of that as well and I think that in some ways the Republican party has just been so behind on this I'll probably make some people

mad by you know lifting the curtain on this but last year to make the Republican party debate stage the final condition is we had to sign all the candidates around the Daniels requirement I had some words to say that it had a certain you know outcome there but but she she made a sign a beat Biden pledge and so this is in July or August of last year and I said this is this is dumb this is silly because we're not going to be running against Joe Biden so we're going to spend an entire

year of financial political and messaging capital running against a candidate who is not the actual candidate run against but it was the beat Biden pledge that was just the dogmatic messaging of the Republican party and what you know a year and a half later we've wasted a lot of money a lot of time a lot of credibility with the public we even boosted the

media's credibility because they got that last month where they got to criticize Joe Biden so now when they're not actually going after Kamala they still look even handed to the American public because they went after a Democrat most recently in some ways it was the worst of all worlds and so I think we need to get better as a movement I think as a Republican party on sting skeptical on skating to where the

puck is going and I think ultimately the way we're going to win this is actually not even by focusing on Kamala that's sort of what I've landed on this is you know people say she's a communist or she's you know a socialist or whatever I think that is

giving her a little too much credit because it assumes she has an ideology I agree she doesn't have an ideology right she just she just doesn't most people in California here to know or she's just another cog right she's another cog in a machine we're not running against a candidate we are running against a system and the way we're going to win this is forget who they put up Kamala if they make her the president before the election who knows whatever it

doesn't matter if we actually win this by offering our own vision of who we are and what we actually stand for right individual family nation and God beat race gender sexuality and climate if we have the courage to stand for it but that's how we that's how we protect ourselves against what I think is going to be a complicated complicated couple of months ahead is what I protect so smart.

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In conditions apply. And I don't we talk about stage I won't pour everyone here but what you're going to do next but I think it's fair to predict that you will remain part of of what you're part of now which is an effort to save the country but I think we're falling for it for sure the idea that Kamala Harris is like an actual person I'm sure she can fog a mirror but beyond that.

She's just a cipher she'll be whatever you want her to be can I mean pay her enough she'll be a radical vegan or anti-circumcision activist or whatever doesn't matter she might even build a wall. I said she wants to 100% you know she's a kind of sad puppet clearly unhappy terrified I mean I know Benza as a P and used when I see it I'm like that she had some sand ex just vacant.

She's afraid she wakes up afraid every morning and you can tell the people who are afraid which is a lot of people and she's chief among the fearful. Anyway the Republicans fell for it the leadership fell for it they're falling for it now and they also fell and I hope you like flesh is not a little bit. They fell for the idea that the media act independently of the Democratic party.

Yeah I think so I mean I think that that's a trap we have repeatedly fallen into over the last eight years but I just think this idea it's not an accident that you get Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. There are a lot of intelligent people who are believe it or not intelligent people they have a high IQ brain power they can make their own decisions their thinkers who are Democrats people on the left ideologues who people like you and I might disagree with.

But some of whom you and I might actually be friends with because we respect them even though we disagree with them. It's not an accident that you get Joe Biden and then a Kamala Harris and then the next puppet they put up. Biden has cognitive deficits right those are not a bug they are a feature for the people who control him Kamala Harris has a different kind of deficit as policy deficits cognitive deficits you could argue.

Also again not a bug there a feature for the people who actually operate the puppet and so I think that it's going to be a losing game unless we see ourselves is running against that system and I think this is actually going to be let's assume victory here right let's fast forward it's not just winning the election.

But actually are we actually going to do what conservatives Republicans when they've governed have long failed to do I think we fall the real myth we fall into is this trap of believing that we can reform the system that we're going to reform the deep state that we're going to fire Christopher Ray or whoever at the top of the FBI and put in a new figure head on top that we're going to reform the bureaucracy.

And I think that reform is just a myth right it's impossible we're not running against that Christopher Ray is an individual bad actor at the top of the FBI he's just another cog in the system just like Kamala Harris just like Joe Biden as the question for us the real test for us I think Tucker is not going to be the election in November.

It is going to be whether we have the spine to actually see through and do the hard thing that we've never done before nobody's done it no Donald Trump in his first terms the closest we've gotten but nobody's really stepped up and said in an are we actually going to try to reform and massage this thing to incrementally window dress it and advance our own goals or are we actually going to get in there and to shut it down.

And I think that is the one answer that will save this country and I I'm sporting Donald Trump because I believe he's the man who is going to be the best suited to get that job done but the real test comes not in November but after that to me.

I mean I couldn't agree with you more and I'm thrilled to hear that I think I spent 35 years living in Washington so I have some appreciation for how rotten the system is it's so rotten it's like mind boggling actually but in order to shut it down or in order to make the changes necessary to preserve the country.

You're going to have to actually ignore the media and why can't Republicans do that so I actually met I met Georgia Maloney when she came to this to the United States not that long ago she's a good leader so I had a good conversation with her she gave me a tactic I want to try it you know if I if I'm in the position if I'm in a comparable position ever and I think anybody who is in a comparable position of leadership to do the same thing she says she doesn't read the newspaper she said I couldn't tell you what's on the front page of the newspaper.

I couldn't tell you what's on television I just talk to people that's all I need to talk to and then I make the decisions that actually need to be made that be my recommendation to every Republican politician I don't follow it I have to have to admit I only pick this up after my campaign but if I were to run my campaign again if I was to go back in time and do it again that probably be the number one thing that I would do to you don't need to watch it you don't need to see you can participate in it you could actually you know take a hostile interview anybody wants to but whatever the headline is whatever the decision is going to be made.

The headline is whatever the TV commentary is social media commentary in some way don't even bother look at it just talk to those tens of thousands of people across the country where you actually learn that that myth of division that you're fed the whole thing was false you can just call the bluff by literally switching it off and pretending it doesn't exist I think it's actually a pretty good tactic.

I haven't a TV in many years and I worked in TV you know I don't think a lot of crack dealers leave it around the kitchen you know what I mean yeah this is an ugly product I don't want it in my house but you know I totally agree but it's just interesting even now I know Republican leaders probably pretty well meaning people who if they get attacked on Twitter or the New York Times or if Chuck Todd of NBC news I mean it's all like a joke but I don't know what I'm doing.

I'm not a joke but if they say something critical of the politicians and we have to deal with this why just hoist the middle finger and laugh I've never understood.

We did some of that during the campaign but well you did it for sure but but I think that and you know I was surprised by what an effect some of that actually had I was actually want to probably the unexpected successes that I did have in my campaign I only got 8% of the vote in Iowa but actually in taking down a lot of the media and exposing you know a lot of that corruption I think that that's that's important work to continue to do.

There's a risk I mean there's always and here's what I would say we talked about shining down the deep state we talk about taking on the media here's the honest truth. You're always taking some risk is just a question of which risk you're willing to take so in the context of speaking back in the context of when the media is attacking you or you're confronting a hard truth.

One risk you might take is that you're going to be too unfiltered that you're just going to take your filter off say too much and say something that offend somebody that's a risk I've done it I've made that mistake I don't think you've ever made that mistake but I made that mistake.

And that's one risk you're always going to take that risk the other risk is that you self-censor and you say that okay because I'm going to offend somebody I'm actually going to restrict what I say and think three times before every utterance I make. Both of the more risks is only questions which risk are you willing to take.

Same thing with respect to reforming the government right I said get in there and shut it down fine what does that mean I would fire 75% of all federal bureaucrats on day one. Shut down the FBI the ATF the CDC the Department of Education just shut them the hell down all right.

But you're taking I'm just shut it down now now you're taking a risk right I mean am I going to tell you that's the exact perfect amount we need to cut I can't tell you that you might take either the risk that you're going to cut so much fat that you also cut some muscle or you're otherwise taking the other risk that you're not cutting enough fat you're ahead and Hydra you cut one off it grows right back it's just a question of which risk you're willing to take and there's times in American history where one of those might be the right risk or the other but right now I think we live in a moment.

Where the risk you need to take and it's not just me or talk or Donald Trump or anybody else the risk every one of you needs to take is when you're the only person in a room who believes what you do.

For God's sake stand up and say it say it with a spine don't apologize for your beliefs say in public what you will say in private at the dinner table and you might offend somebody it's a risk you're taking but take the risk when we put Donald Trump back in the White House hold him or and JD Vance or me or anybody else who's part of it accountable.

To say you said you want to get in there and actually drain the swamp and attack the deep state by God's sake get in there and actually do it and you're going to take a risk is it going to be perfect there's going to be some bumps along the way but that's just the risk that we choose to take and so that's kind of where I land on this is it is not that I'm giving you some perfect answer.

It's just that that's the risk that I believe we need to take and I'm willing to take and you you have taken that risk and I just have to ask sorry that there are people watching my going to anyway what effects is that has to be. What effects is that had on your personal life your friendships your family because people don't say what they really think because they worry about the cost what's it been for you.

Yeah I mean I think so it's been different stages of it okay so initially so I'll tell you this is a lot of people in the campaign this there's a lot of things that I would do differently too so a lot of people who worked for me in past companies I've led for example or close friends.

One of their frustrations that they've shared with me now in the six eight months since is everybody got to see you as the fighter that's great but that's not the side of you that we know there's more of you than that and the risk you're taking there is.

My philosophy in the campaign was somebody hits you you hit him back ten times harder I don't care if you're a Republican Democrat that's how we're going to run this and at some point you that's the way you got it you got to proceed in the first step but.

I also preach to myself what I would teach my two sons is that the number one person who's most responsible for whether or not you achieve your goal it's not the only factor but the number one factor of whether or not you achieve your goal is actually you.

And I said I to achieve a goal last year I didn't achieve it and I think that I could blame the media I could blame a lot of the consultants I could blame a lot of factors along the way but you know at the end of the day I think that there's a lot that I would probably do differently as well to make sure that I'm able to allow the people of the country to see the whole of who I am and that's one of the hardest things to do as a politician because you ask about friends and family that's the thing that probably hurt my family the most is not that they couldn't deal with the most.

Not that they couldn't deal with the insults or the the dirtiness of partisan politics but the sense that there's someone they know but the impression that the public is given is of a very different person that disconnect was probably the thing that was hardest on my wife and probably some of my closest friends but you know they're tough they can handle it and they were still supportive of what we did and it's a process that bruises you a little bit there's some sort of wounds and scars that never fully heal but.

I got to thank my family who was I got a three year old and now four year old son he was three during the campaign came with me to every campaign event my wife is a surgeon who did not actually sacrifice seeing one patient over the course of the year that she was supposed to see and still traveled with me for the entire campaign and during that pain and you know what those are the you know the people that got me through it as well.

I judge men by their wives and I like to much more after meeting her I have to say that's fair no I do I do I'm very judgey that way. Was there any politics you came from business you had a really successful business career and then you became so distressed after reading these books about what was happening in America that you went up or made for president. But you want a politician you would contempt for politicians were there any you met who you're impressed by yeah a good number actually.

I'm actually I say this not in some sort of like large scale flattery but actually have been more impressed by Donald Trump the more I've actually got to know him and I say that because he's also somebody who I know how hard it was for me to sort of.

Make the true I live to good life Donald Trump lived a good life but to be able to lay that down and actually say no this is my purpose in calling I'm not going to stop anything I probably wouldn't have run for president if he hadn't done it first so I got to give credit where credits do there. I think I think about other other people who I respect I like a guy like take a Rand Paul or Thomas massie right guys who.

There's probably the ones who get closest to that Georgia Maloney model of like not giving a crap about what the press has to say but they're actually just going to. Step up and say it anyway I've only got to know Thomas massie a little bit more recently but Rand Paul have gotten to know over the course of the last couple of years in his father Ron Paul I would give.

Even greater credit to for blazing that trail so yeah there's a longer list of others I could I could probably give you but not that much longer. But I would say there's a handful of people that that gave me you know real inspiration that somebody with conviction that doesn't compromise on it can still drive change and those would be some of the guys I'd give you I strongly agree with you I've spent my whole life really despising politicians not just on principle but also personally.

As people and I feel that way about most of them still with a lot of evidence but I have to say I look around and there are more people I admire I can't be but I'm saying this in politics then really at any time I can remember and I think there's so much pressure downward exerted pressure on all of us to obey to repeat the lies to get in line.

That the people who refuse to do that are extraordinary people and our special guest tonight we're about to ask on is one of those people and he's in the rare position of typically you know a public career begins and people are so impressed by the person and then they see his flaws and he falls from grace.

The person about to invite on is the only person I've ever met who spent I don't know 20 years being denounced pretty much every week by every single news organization in the world as a dangerous mentally ill lunatic making totally unsupported anti scientific claims about totally safe medical products.

And this man in the face of opposition that no politician I've ever seen ever seen including from within his own tribe and family he persisted in saying what he thought was true and I've known this man for a while and I've admired him for a long time and what's amazing is to wake up in a country that in some ways is not getting better but to wake up in a country that all of a sudden has stopped mocking this man.

As a crazy person and has started to realize that the lone brave voice may have been right all along and so it's an honor to introduce Robert F Kennedy Jr.

So we had this conversation last week that I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of people on camera but the conversation that we had or the things that you said to me last week I will not forget and it's from an outsider's perspective it seems like your public career has not only not ended in some way it's beginning in a new way and a really powerful way and you described.

You described three issues that are central not just to your politics but to your to your wife and if I remember correctly I think they were slowing down the number of people who are killed abroad in wars okay with a lot of wars opposing the pointless ones protecting the natural environment that God created for us to enjoy nature and protecting the health of children and I think those are the three things you mentioned I'm wondering if you could just expand on that.

I got into my career was most of it was in environmental protection and I went to work in 1983 for a blue collar coalition of commercial and recreational fishermen who mobilized to reclaim the Hudson River from its polluters.

And they were people who were capitalist they came from an industry that was 350 years old it's the oldest commercial fishery in North America on the Hudson River and they saw this industry destroyed not because it had any intrinsic flaws but because a large company the general electric company had been able to use it

political cloud to do something illegal which was to dump its toxic PCBs into the Hudson River and I when I first started working on the Hudson there were 2500 families working on the river enriching our culture our palette our economy the life of the Hudson Valley connecting us to our history to the to our landscapes to the waterways and 10 20,000 generations of human beings that were here before the laptops they were using the same fishing methods

and we're taught by the Algonquin Indians the original Dutch settlers new Amsterdam and passed down through the generations and all of a sudden they couldn't fish anymore because they were plenty of fish in the Hudson

they were loaded with toxic PCBs and the state of New York said you can't eat them and they recognize that you know these were capitalist they were people small business people and they realized that that government was in cahoots with the polluters and that if they wanted to reclaim the river for themselves they were going to have to do it themselves they went to the government agencies

the Corps of Engineers the Conservation Department the Coast Guard and they were given the bombs rush they were told these are important people we can't force them to comply with the law and they came to the conclusion the only way they were going to restore the river is if they confronted the polluters directly they found an ancient navigational statute called the 1888 River is an harborsack that allowed people to

prosecute polluters and then collect bounties and they started suing polluters they hired me as their attorney in 1984 we brought cases against over 500 successful cases on Hudson we forced polluters to spend about five and a half billion dollars for mediating the river and today the Hudson is the richest waterway in the North Atlantic and my experience was was different than a lot of environmentalists who have a kind of a look but don't touch my experience was about people who their

communities were absolutely the people who were part of that commercial fishery it dictated the purity of the Hudson the abundance of fishery dictated their livelihoods their property values their recreational values it was their social safety net if you you know if you lost your job you could still fish you could feed your family

and that was something that the state of New York the Constitution of the state says the people that state owned the rivers they owned the waterways of the state they're not owned by the conservation departments they're not owned by the general electric company they're not owned by the big polluters they're owned by the people everybody has the right to use them

in a way that will diminish or injure their use of enjoyment by others every child in New York has an a constitutional right to throw a plug into the river and bring out a straight pass and bring it home and the amen family that that was the essential you know that lesson that I learned there about an agency capture then allowed me to kind of understand that have a model or a blueprint

or the thing that I saw when I started studying the pharmaceutical industry and and so those are critical issues the other is I came into this you know this campaign three major issues one was the censorship and you and I feel the same way and any government that can silence its critics has the has a license for any kind of atrocity and can I distribute that any government that can silence its critics has a license for any kind of atrocity put that on your refrigerator because that's true

and you know Hamilton Adams and Madison said that we put the freedom of speech in the first amendment was all the other rights are dependent on it and sure enough when the government found out discovered that it could sense our speech in early 2020

silence doctor silence mother silence people who are you know people scientists who were saying wait there are other alternatives so what we're doing a lockdown is not going to work the mass have no science behind the social distancing as no science those people were silenced they were marginalized they were vilified they were demonized

and as soon as the government figured out that it could get away with that it went after all of our other constitutional rights the first thing it did is it went after the other leg of the first amendment which is freedom of religion it closed every church in our country for a year with no scientific citation

it went after the third leg of the first amendment which is freedom of assembly with these very bizarre social distancing regulations that again they now admit were not science based they went after the fifth amendment which is property rights they closed 3.3 million businesses with no due process no just compensation no scientific citation no notice and comment rule making

no public hearings all the things that I've been suing governments and corporations for 40 years all the indisha of democracy that are that government officials have to go through before they deprive us of rights and none of that happened and they went after the seventh amendment which the hands jury which which the seventh amendment gives us the right

the jury trial it's the seventh amendment very simple it says no Americans shall be denied the right of a trial before a jury of their peers encase their controversies exceeding $25 that's all it says there's no pandemic exception and by the way the framers of the Constitution knew all about pandemics

there were two epidemics during the revolution war one of them a very epidemic that decimated the armies of Virginia and then a smallpox epidemic that decimated the armies of New England at the very time when then it's an old who is our greatest general conquer Montreal so we were in the inner city of Montreal we controlled Montreal which meant we controlled Canada and he had to withdraw his troops because he could not hold the city because so many of his troops were down to smallpox

otherwise Canada today would be part of the United States but for that smallpox epidemic and the framers all knew that when they gathered 10 years later 9 years later

Philadelphia to ratify the Bill of Rights between the end of the revolution and the ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1792 there were epidemics in every city that killed tens of thousands of people malaria epidemics with smallpox yellow fever, typhus, typhoid, cholera so they all knew about epidemics yet they did not put an epidemic exception in the Constitution

they wrote that document for hard times one of the things you bring that up Bobby and I think one of the things we often fall into the trap of in an election year is to see let's take the most important of those amendments the first amendment through partisan lines

do we have a democratic party that has been using social media companies to silence speech through the back door that they could not through the front door absolutely we have is that somebody we need to hold them accountable for absolutely but I think that if one of the things I love about Utah is you're willing to challenge people 360 degrees I don't care if you're Republican or not is

I had a conversation with a number of Republicans in the last week who are railing appropriately against Brazil for its banning of X which is preposterous actually this is a major western supposedly allied nation the very people who claim that we want to stand for human rights and democracy abroad have nothing to say when it comes to Brazil banning a social media platform

I challenge some of these people because I know what their views are in this question to say it seems like a pretty bad idea for a government of a supposedly free country that just bans outright a social media platform because they don't like the way that it operates

and here's the part where we challenge our own people that's exactly what the US government has done with respect to a platform that I don't love that much I don't like many aspects of it all, TikTok but I do think that we live in one of these moments where the trap in an election year this is one of the things I loved about your candidacy bavis leaving the Democratic Party to run as an independent allowed you to do what more of us in either party need to be doing is

question the orthodoxies of both parties and go back to first principles of what's in the US Constitution and you gotta have the same shoe fit the other foot whether you're a Democrat or a Republican and that's one of things I loved about the way you ran your campaign that

thank you I saw vice president Harris this week I gave a statement where she said that she said to think she said one that that Elon Musk had to watch out because if he abused free speech on Twitter that he would get that privilege taken away from him

not a privilege yeah and it isn't a privilege you know it's the right and and she said he gave a press conference in which he said that these companies need to be punished for putting disinformation and misinformation and hate speech up on the internet and the thing is with the and and vice president candidate walls said the first amendment does not protect disinformation misinformation but that's not right the first amendment protects disinformation and it protects misinformation

and it protects lies it protects all speech it was not written for the speech that we all want to hear it was written to protect the speech that nobody wants to hear and we have a Democratic party the party I grew up in and the word liberal is a derivative from of the term for free speech so that was the central core of this party when I was growing up my father

my uncle loved this country so much because of the they love the freedom to debate have conversations a free this idea that the free flow of information was the sunlight it was the soil it was the it was the water for democracy and without it democracy would wither and I they knew that I have a case right now against the Biden administration and I was just granted an injunction in the federal courts Kennedy versus Biden and judge don't even federal judge that decision

wrote in the earlier decision you wrote 155 page decisions that details what we now know about the Biden White House's censorship program and what do the details in this is that 37 hours after he took the health of office swearing to all the constitution which is includes the first amendment he can open up a portal and ordered the social media companies Facebook Instagram YouTube Twitter to begin censoring his political critics

and on medical information but also other information as well including criticism the Ukraine war and I was the first person that they began that they ordered Facebook to censor Facebook actually pushed back at one point and said you know they Facebook complied and took down my entire Instagram account almost a million followers

but they couldn't find a single factual mistake an error on my Instagram account and Facebook during the email exchange which we now have pushes back at one point and says this is actually not factually aronious and so they had to coin a new word which was malinformation which is information factual assertions that are technically correct but are nevertheless inconvenient for the government

and they ordered Facebook to censor misinformation disinformation and malinformation so that portal which they open the the Biden White House turned over to the FBI to manage so you have the FBI participating in the censorship of American citizens engaging in political speech the FBI then invited the CIA Sisa which is a group that you may not have heard of but it is the center of the censorship in Dutchal complex the DHS the IRS which I don't know what they were censoring

and an NIH CDC and FDA to participate in this censorship project and I now have an injunction against the Biden White House from doing that to me anymore but it is troubling to me for the very reason you know the VagJest mentioned about what happened in Brazil and Tucker you and I talked about this

we're seeing an emergence now of totalitarianism in all the Western democracies like nothing that I could have ever imagined Europe no longer has free speech Europe is now the European Union is officially censoring information on the Internet and the head of the European Commission a man named Terry Britson recently sent a letter to Elon Musk saying that if he aired an unedited version a live interview with President Trump on acts he would be fine as much as 6% of the value of the company

and then France a week later a race popped air off when he landed the founder of Telegram when he lands on a gas stop a fuel stop in France this is particularly alarming because France had as robust a passion and tradition for free speech as we had in this country during the French Revolution 1789

the French Republic adopted all of these very very strong laws guaranteeing freedom of speech and then in the 1880s they passed another school of laws again protecting free speech and they guarded that and nurtured that as much as we did in this country as much as any country in the world so to see France do this and by the way there's no reason for them to arrest him because he's a citizen of Abu Dhabi France has a an extradition agreement with Abu Dhabi so they can actually item

furthermore the European Union already is censoring content so they went in an extra step to arrest and punish this person and put him in prison and send a message to all of us that you know about who's in charge and that is terrifying to me I have so many democratic friends you know Jimmy Dwar was on here earlier fantastic and he was talking about January 6

and what I say people broke the law in January 6 if you broke the law you should be punished but was the Republic threatened on January 6 was I am even if a building was burned down it's not the end of the republic it is not and you have the US military there you have these agencies

we have institutions in our country that are still functioning we have a congress etc that will resist the violent overthrow of an American government and I don't think we were close to a violent overthrow of the American government but those attacks on free speech to me are a genuine existential threat to democracy of the Republic Amen so the question is you I think you've correctly described and I hope you will say it every time you speak publicly and I hope to do the same

that we're watching the transformation of the free world into a totalitarian system I don't think that's an overstatement and so the questions for each of you start with you Vivek how do we stop that because if we don't then we're done yeah so I I agree with everything Bobby said I think there's two steps to stopping it that I want to highlight though I do worry about what's happening in England I do what's worry worry about what's happening in Brazil

in France and other allied supposedly free nations but I worry most about when it's happening right here at home in the United States of America and so the best step to stopping the rise of this authoritarianism around the world is to first stop it permanently here in the United States of America

and I do think that that is especially important even for the world because as much as you you correctly laid out France's history even if you look at even France but let alone the other countries none of those other countries put the first amendment first right so we can preach to other countries about their failure to respect free speech but our whole national identity like who we are as Americans the existence of this country

the fact that we all call ourselves American that only means something in reference to our actual rights that we have given the people of this country since 1776 so it goes to the heart of our own national identity itself so the first thing I would say Tucker is yes are we seeing it around the world yes

but fixing the problem starts right here at home the second thing I would say this the harder part is that as much as the three of us here in we're in lock step alignment on being free speech absolutists on this stage as much as we can point to our finger at the government and it's overreach of working with corporations and working through backdoor government regulation and backdoor action to suppress and silence speech that only works if you have a population that is willing to comply

okay and I think that there's another half of this problem that if we're being really honest with ourselves we have to talk about which is what is it inside each of us that makes us as so many are want to bend the knee to that new regime

and we can complain about the regime all we want we're missing the other half of the problem unless we also fill that void that causes people to bend that knee right if you don't pledge allegiance to the American flag you're going to pledge allegiance to a different flag instead if you don't believe in God you're going to believe in a new false idol instead and so I think that that's the harder part we need to fix in this country is that revival of purpose and meaning

and grounding ourselves in our identity as Americans and I think if we do if we get that part right if we as a citizenry we as individuals say no nobody is going to tell me or shame me or threaten me to do anything other than express my opinion and tell you who I am and what I believe then I think the government part will actually solve itself along with it and so some of that's not just on the government it's on us and they put the second amendment after the first amendment for a reason

it's the one that puts the teeth into all of the others and that too is part of what our founding fathers envisioned since 1776 that's what I think Bobbier are you are you hopeful that the tide of totalitarianism can be turned and if so how?

I think it all depends on this election is I don't think that and I you know I try not to bad mouth other candidates because I don't I just I think my approach is to try to dampen the vitriol and the anger and the hatred I think we have to stop hating each other but I don't from the from the statements that Kamala Harris makes and that her vice president makes I don't think they have a clear vision of what the country

supposed to look like I don't think they understand the first amendment I don't think they understand the Constitution I saw Kamala you know at the convention and she gave a speech that was very bellicose and belligerent it was like it was a kind of speech to was written by Neacons and the CIA they had a the first time in history they had a CIA former director speaking right before the umpunetta and military people speaking at the Democratic convention

was the you know was a Democrat with the annual party with the pro constitution party they were the party that was against Wall Street and against and representing the little guys the cops the firefighters union and labor people and I talked to you about this on the show

last week in the 2020 election roughly 50% of the people in this country voted for Donald Trump and but that group the photo for Donald Trump represented 30% of the wealth in our country the 50% of the people that photo for Joe Biden represented 70% of the wealth

there's been an inversion now with a Republican party has become the party of the common man of working people of the middle class and the Democratic Party has become the party of Wall Street of the military and the show complex a big farm a big agriculture big big tech the big banking systems and all of the what you know what Donald Trump calls the deep state which is this this web of financial interest that not is unnecessarily a little conspiracy

but it's a conspiracy of self interest that functions together in tandem the shift wealth upward to clamp down totalitarian controls and to transform this country from the world's exemplary democracy into a corporate democracy and a very very oppressive oligarchical system the kind of system we fought a revolution to overthrow in 1776

I have a final question for for each of you and it's one of the reasons that I'm fascinated by you both respect you both and I'm grateful that you're here not one of you needs to be doing this you both just ran you both dropped out you both kept going again you're not doing it for the money you're not doing here for the adulation the media hates you both

doesn't make your life no it's true does make your life less complicated it's incredibly tiring and in some points tiresome but you persist both why okay gratitude I think that my parents came to this country with no money 40 years ago and in a single generation what have I found in multi billion dollar companies my wife lived the American dream

we're raising two boys in Ohio thankfully God with God's blessings healthily and happily it is my sense of gratitude to this country to have made possible what my parents or me growing up would have never imagined was possible and you know what I am I've been given a lot of thought to this idea of obviously we say a lot making America great again and you know of course there's a nostalgia in that right

the country that my parents came into we we start with the melting pot back in the 1990s this notion of assimilating in 1 country which had a common identity that's now become a micro aggression so there's certain elements of what we miss from the 1990s the idea that the best person gets the job regardless of their skin color or the idea that you know what you get to speak your mind as long as I I get to in return, these basic quaint ideas we want to bring that back.

But for me, I think that's not good enough, actually. I think that we, in some ways, part of America isn't just making America great again. I think this is what Donald Trump means it when the second time around. You can hear it between the lines of what he says, it's what moves me too, is I want to make America greater than it's ever been before, actually. I think our best days as a country can still actually be ahead of us.

As a relatively young person, I hope my best days are still ahead of me. I don't take that for granted every day as a blessing and who wake up tomorrow, that's a gift too. But I hope my best days are ahead of me. I do think it's also going to take some people from the next generation to make a country whose best days are ahead of us too. I don't know what form that's going to take for me in the next step, but whatever it is, we're going to keep going in each play our part.

If we each do, I think that not in some fake politician way, but in a true way. I think we are going to make America greater than it's ever been before. And that's what we're shooting for in November. Thank you. Bobby, it has been a long slog for you and you are more energetic and energized than ever. It seems to me, why are you doing this?

Well, I talked to you a moment ago about what I see as a devolution of American democracy and how it's turning into something that is, I would describe as a totalitarian system.

And I see, because of what I've been doing for 20 years working on chronic disease issues, and what I did for 20 years before that working on environmental issues, I see how these powers, these economic aggregations, can commoditize everything, that they commoditize the water, they commoditize, they steal it from the public.

They turn it in when General Electric Tom PCP is the Hudson, it was privatizing all the fish and the Hudson and turning them into its own private property, that they privatize our landscapes, the purple mountains majesty. And then when I started fighting on public health issues, I saw how they're privatizing our children. They're literally stealing their out. We have, we have in this country now the sickest children in the world.

We have the highest chronic disease, a burden of any nation on earth. And my uncle was president, we were spending, we had 6% of Americans had chronic disease. Today almost 60% too. And when my uncle was president, I was a boy. We spent zero on chronic disease in this country today. We spent 4.3 trillion. And that money is going upward into the pockets of certain people. And mainly it's the pharmaceutical industry, the most valuable asset in America today is a sick child.

As if you can get a child sick when they're very young and get them dependent on those epic and add-on and insulin and seizure medication, you have now a client for life that is spending, is generating thousands of dollars potentially a week in revenue for these interests. And so I see how they're commoditizing everything. They're stealing everything we value. And there ultimately that comes from them being able to overrun our constitutional rights and I saw it during COVID.

I saw the whole thing in miniature, you know, compressed time, exactly what they're up to. And I remember in 2020 in August, I was in Berlin. I was giving a speech to 1.3 million people who had come from all over Europe. It was like Woodstock, but for political freedom because they saw what was happening with these mandates. It came from every nation in Europe to protest them. And I gave a speech. I ran into an NBC film crew there and they were all wearing masks.

And they said to me, why aren't you wearing a mask? You're in this big crowd shaking hands. Aren't you scared of dying? And I said there's things that scare me a lot more than dying. And I said, like what? And I said, like losing my constitutional rights, like having... Like having my children row up in an America where they cannot speak freely and criticize their political leaders.

And we had a whole generation in 1776 of people, of men and women who gave their fortunes, they gave their property, they gave their status and their lives to giving us this Constitution, to giving us this incredible gift. And we became the template for the rest of the world. In 1776, we were the only democracy on earth. By 1865, there were five. By the time my uncle's president, about 130, and by the end of the 1960s, there were 190 all based on the American model.

So we truly were the exemplary democracy. We were the hope, the light for the whole world. And today we've lost our role as a model. Nobody wants the system we have. We've fought, we're no longer a moral authority. We've eroded this through this dynamic. And I don't want that from my children. I want my children to grow up with the hope, with the love for this country that I add. I'll say one other thing. In 2013, there was a poll.

Where they asked, young Americans, under the age of 35, are you proud to be an American? 85% said yes. The same poll taken six months ago. 17% said yes. We have a whole generation that's lost their pride in being an American citizen, and they've lost hope for their own futures. And we had a generation in 1776, 20,000 of them died. A huge number would be like a million people today to give us our Constitution.

And they said to us that every generation must water the tree of liberty with its own blood if you're going to hold on to this. It's not something that I wanted to. I have a really good life, and I had a great family that loved me. I still have a nuclear family that loves me. But I have a big, big family now too. But I didn't feel like I had a choice. I have to do this the same reason. I have to do something for an idea, and I want to keep that idea for my kids.

Well God bless you for that, and God bless you, Vivek. What an amazing experience, a wonderful experience this has been. Thank you. And thank you. The big tech companies censor our content. I hate to tell you that it's still going on in 2024, but you know what they can't censor? Live events. And that's why we are hitting the road on a fall tour for the entire month of September, coast to coast. We will be in cities across the United States.

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